 Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to the webinar, World BC Community Energy and Emissions Decisions, Support, Tools and Approaches. It's great to see the number of people in the audience today. This might be one of our highest attendance in the year and a half that these webinars have been happening. So welcome, everyone. So the World BC webinar series, through this series, we hope to provide a link to new information and enable discussion between experts in an affordable, accessible and sustainable way. And we really hope that that's what happens this afternoon. As Darby mentioned, the webinar is being recorded and will be archived on the World BC website. And this allows the contents and discussions to be a lasting resource for communities and regions. After the presentations today, when the webinar is complete, we'll be seeking your feedback on the sessions this afternoon. And we'd also like to hear your ideas for future topics as well. So you'll be getting a survey in the next day or so. So we've got a past agenda today. So I'm just going to run through who our presenters are. And then I'm going to pass it over to Ted Sheldon, who will be our first presenter. And he's from the Climate Action Secretariat. Alan Harris will be our second speaker, and he's the CAO of the District of Sycamore. Dale Little-John is from the Community Energy Association. Bill Bemis is the CAO and the Village of Queen Charlotte. Yule Hubert is from the Sustainability Solutions Group. John Gunther is the Director of Planning for the City of Rebels Oak. And Sheldon Schlepp is from the University of British Columbia. Starting very shortly after I've finished with my introductions, Darby just put the agenda up on the screen. So we have fairly short presentations, about 15 minutes each. So it'll be time for questions at the end. And then we'll close up and we'll have everybody ready to go by 3 o'clock at schedules and time. So without further ado, I'm going to pass it on to Ted to pass out the objectives for the day. Thank you. Thank you, Amy. Thanks very much again, though, to Amy, Darby, and Paige for providing this value to NU, for profiling some of the range of innovative activities that are going on amongst and across so many BC local governments and their communities across the province. Besides, I was just mentally going through my mind. I think this is the fifth time we've been blessed by doing these webinars, both starting off with the Community Energy Inhibition Inventory Reports that all local governments now have in BC. The last one over the summer was on Community Energy Inhibition Modeling, profiling three communities in BC with that. And then also, and forthcoming and part of what we're talking about today is around some of the experiences, a couple of experiences from a couple of speakers here on Community Energy Inhibitions Related Planning. And it was based on the feedback from the modeling session that we held in the early summer where some of the communities, the rural communities were asking for a more dedicated focus on what some of the BC rural communities are doing, you know, around energy inhibitions or, if you will, climate action related activities. So as such, we have three objectives today. In first and foremost, the primary one is to share some of those experiences, the three BC rural communities and their practitioners have offered to bring to the table some of those decisions, support tools and processes include Community Energy Inhibitions Inventory and Modeling and Planning. As well, we hear a couple of examples, well, more than examples, innovations in their own right and around revolving funds for energy efficiency and progressive innovative development bylaw framework and approach within one of the communities. And also with the broad fabric of stakeholder engagement that here we will hear speakers touch on engagement with council, with neighboring peers in neighboring communities with the broad public and related particularly to the latter is a bigger piece of work that the University of British Columbia is bringing to the table to support at present the city of Rilseau. Second objective is to wrap things up so hopefully we'll be able to have time for questions and discussion, although as they pack the agenda, but we're hoping to get through so we can have 15 to 20 minutes of questions and related follow-up discussion and then allow for at least a profile of some of the relevant resources, those that have been established and many of you are familiar with already and a couple that are forthcoming. And without the laboring nurse slide too much, particularly if you're within a local government in BC you're likely to be familiar with these two main bullets. One is the local government act and the related 2008 changes to the local government act. The A required the establishment of a greenhouse gas target policies and actions in either municipalities OCP or regional districts, regional growth strategy. A complementary to that came a number of enabling tools that were established as part of those changes in the legislation and as well some of the support that in the following particular case has been spearheaded by the Ministry of Community Sports and Cultural Development who also have received a number of climate actions sustainability related initiatives including the updates to the local government act and that is in a recently posted document entitled the Development Permit Areas Guide for Climate Action. Third on that is the annual care reports, which is a requirement for local governments to submit annual reports and providing updates on their progress towards development of greenhouse gas target policies and actions. And again that has just recently been posted for all to see and we'll touch base on that on the last slide. Second bullet here is the Climate Action Charter in 1979 of BC's local government certainly by far the majority have become voluntary signatories to the Climate Action Charter and the three commitments within that charter you see listed here. A particular note is the third one, which is create compact, complete, more energy efficient rural and urban communities and of course some of the tools that local governments have in their tool kit around land use zoning, around engaging climate stakeholders and others will assist them in progressively working towards achieving that commitment. So without further ado, my last slide leading the segue into our three pairs of presenters is first off to very sincerely welcome them for putting in the time and effort leading up to and at this webinar, both the three community representatives themselves and their support practitioners. So first off will be Alan Harris from the District of Sycamous and Dale Littlejohn from the Community Energy Association and they'll share how the district's use of BT Hydro-CEP quick start program has been directly contributing to the development of Sycamous's Community Energy and Emissions Plan. The second pairing is we're honored to have Bill Davis from the Village of Queen Charlotte and Hugh Hibbert from the Sustainability Services Group and they will profile the use of the GHC proof modeling tool along with Bill's collaborative work with colleagues in neighborhood usability and they together were instrumental in creating a climate action plan for the communities of Queen Charlotte, Masset and Fort Clements as well as an innovative energy efficiency revolving fund that you will touch on for us. And then last pairing is John Gunther from the City of Revelstoke who compared not only presentation wise but in the same room with Ron Cummins from the University of British Columbia and they'll provide us with a glimpse of how UPC's emerging work on community-based visualizations will strengthen the efforts of an already forward-thinking Oprah government in its ability to engage its residents as Revelstoke integrates energy and emissions considerations into its longer-range plans and development bylaws. Both, or you will hear from the speakers, both not only climate action successes today but also the challenges that rural communities have in moving forward on local government act and climate action charter commitments. So first, Alan from District of Sycamous going to kick things off. Switch things over. Alan, are you able to unmute with Star 6? We did that test yesterday and we're able to make it work for us but there seem to be some trouble. So what I'm going to do is actually take the meeting off of lecture mode. So what I'm going to ask is all attendees to please mute their line now. So Star 6, if you could all press Star 6 and then hopefully we'll be able to hear Alan. The conference is no longer in lecture mode. Can you hear me? Yeah, we can hear you now. Go ahead. There you go as I fade into the picture. Alright, my web... There we go. Thank you very much. So basically my name is Alan Harrison, the CAO for the District of Sycamous and Dale Little-John has also helped us out on this. And basically what Ted asked me to do was to next slide. It's not coming through. Darby, there you go. So it's those arrows on the bottom left-hand corner to help you advance things just above the help you move along to if you need. Ah, there we go. Yeah, okay. So technical as always. Where did it start for Sycamous? Basically it looks like the first part. This worked in our test run. It's not working now. But in 2007 the district supported the climate action charter but did not find it. The reason was council was concerned and staff were concerned in regards to the amount of resources that we would have to put forward to that and the costs involved. In 2008 with the introduction of the Bill 27, the changes to the Local Government Act, council signed the charter and that was very unique in the sense that they were able to get a $6 million grant. And that started the journey toward the Community Energy Emissions Plan or SEAP as it's known. There we go. May of 2009 the district adopted its new official community plan which included a number of GHC policies but not specific targets. At the time the consultants had included them. There was discussions with the community and we got some responses on that. In June of 2009 staff was introduced to the provincial community energy and emissions inventory calculations being done for all local governments. And the question was does the district hire a consultant or do we use staff to determine the targets? In May 2010 the answer basically was that the district went with using the provincial CEE calculations even though there's a little bit of flaws for the district as it moves in the sense that we don't have natural gas, there's a lot of propane and also wood and oil. So we have to estimate those calculations. And we use the as opposed to using the provincial targets we use the FCM PCP aspirational targets which was basically 6% by 2017 and we would be reviewing it in 2014 with the OCP review. Now the fun part coming up with a plan. Now unlike becoming carbon neutral at the corporate level reducing the overall community emissions presents a unique challenge. And basically in sickness that's changing the habits and the views of individuals. Now the biggest habit is gasoline used and the price of. And then the other one is that there are some naysayers in regards to is there really global warning similar to the Wild Rose Party of Alberta. So in regards to in February 2010 staff attended the Young Anderson Planning Seminar Green Tools for Large Scale Development were discussed. And it came up with a lot of tools, potential tools to deal with reducing the emissions from buildings, solar, electric heating, cooling, biogap, biosolid, ground source heat and so forth. And this was important because Secumus has been striving to become a resort tourism destination. Sorry Alan, just our attendees if you could please get star 6 to mute your line and we greatly appreciate that. Sorry Alan go ahead. Oh no that's alright. So the question became how do we develop without increasing GHG and reducing it at the same time. So basically what staff did was or council did was lead by example. The New District Hall has you know should be lead silver gold. We had waste diversion. We also went with a geothermal system instead of propane. Again we don't have natural gas. And what we also did was we provided three electric outlets for cars for public use. We hope to have them powered by a wind off the top of the roof. We're just checking into that to make sure that we have the eight kilometer five mile an hour speed limit that we need to get. However the main GHG contributing to Secumus is not buildings but on-road transportation. So when you look at where we are in regards to Secumus overall you'll see that a lot of it has to do with vehicles. So Secumus has been over the years looking at an active transportation system improving cycling and walking opportunities. And looking into getting a transit system, rural transit system within Secumus and from Secumus to Salmon Arm or Secumus to Vernon. Then we, preparing to develop for this to come up with a community emissions plan, attended a couple of webinars, reviewed a lot of other plans. We identified, staff identified a number of tools and actions that could be included. And how to calculate was really was my basic concern are the tools we choosing the correct tools. And that led to BC Hydro's steep quick start. Was that LGMA conference this past year and I have to say that Chastity who put it from BC Hydro she did an awesome job. And basically looked at a usable tool to establish an energy plan. Also gave us the opportunity to see if we're heading in the right direction. And also it was a great tool for getting council on site. In August 2011 we held the workshop BC Hydro community Dale was there, also Ted was there. And currently what we're working on is I'm in the process of finalizing the seat and out of the process and I have to thank Dale. We entered into a memorandum of understanding with three other communities are involved in it with UBC, regards to potential biomass energy system, which will be hopefully a job creation, include the First Nations and reduce the fire risk around segments. So right now I'd like to pass it on to Dale. Well thank you very much Alan. And just Darby if I could get you to confirm that you can hear me. Absolutely I can and I'd just also like to note unfortunately we don't have Dale's video camera so it looks like you'll be looking at me and hearing Dale I'm afraid. Go ahead Dale. I'm with Community Energy Association Executive Director there and we're a small NGO and Ted has called us to arrange a grant for us to get a webcam at some point. Right Ted? Working on it right now Dale. Thanks a lot. And Alan it's great to see the overview of the communities from that. With the last item that you mentioned I should mention with the biomass that's the innovative project between UBC, collaborative for that kind of training, green heat initiatives and the with a number of small communities. The Community Energy Association is the delivery agent for the BC Hydro Seek Community Energy and Mission Finding Quick Start process. This is delivered for free to municipalities under 20,000 population in hydro territory across BC. And you can sign up online. We have an overview of the registration process. There are some documents that you need to upload to the online registration system. There's some free workshop reading including a guide, an action guide for municipalities on community actions as well as a webinar. Then we go in for a day and a half with staff and council and produce a draft report. And then it's moving on rapidly to implementation. This program is designed really to come to very specific practical actions quickly. Recognizing that it is being delivered to smaller communities. We have to deliver them across the fact of the play. And so we bring in a number of tools to help move the process along a little bit quicker. We have a really big spreadsheet that pulls in a community energy and mission inventory data that Ted and his colleagues have put together based on jurisdiction in BC. There are 40 or so very specific actions along with descriptions and approaches to quantifying or getting close to quantifying the impacts likely from those. So we come in with this kind of process but very unique content. We've done this with a variety of communities and the content is always somewhat different. One of the things that we also include in this is the economic development component. We make some estimates of total energy spend. For sick amuse it looks like a little bit over $9 million energy spend with the population of just under 3,000. So one of the things that we look at is if some of that energy spend can be managed locally, if that can be recirculated in the community, would that have an economic development benefit to it? And on the next slide, as I mentioned, we've done this in the number of pilot communities who are really basically the guinea pigs for this. We've learned a lot and evolved the program from that. But many thanks to the pilot communities who signed up and went through this program initially. We've also delivered a full program, started to roll it out earlier this year, and I think our next ones are Lake Country and Taylor. Some of the lessons learned. We recognize that we need to produce a report after the first day before the second day to help the staff move that forward more quickly. We can produce a report quickly based on templates and that's a life against unique content. What we find too is, quickly in the afternoon of the second day, we go through some detailed math regarding some of the actions, the priority actions, and that's really where some of the efficiencies happen in this country. When you actually start calculating, what can we really get out of this? That's where there's surprises around, oh, we thought that would be more or less. And on the second day, particularly, we worked through what we actually have to do to make these actions happen. We do have an agreement from BC Transit for them to do their best to show up at each one of the quick starts. Because I think everyone that we've done, transportation has, particularly in our community, transportation as well as BC Transit have been a topic of discussions. The other thing that we've found and tweaked slightly in the program is we really try to get to actions as soon as possible, so more about the what rather than the why. Because when we do that, we see that there's a lot less resistance from those folks who don't like climate change. When you look at the specific actions to do, there's not that much to really argue with. And the bottom line is get started now. It doesn't have to be the perfect plan, but get something out there that you're going to be able to implement that recognizes staff constraints. As I mentioned, we come in with certain tools. We go through a process with a number of action cards based on the action guide and some really detailed discussion in a group's environment around what we want to do. Then we plan that out looking over a number of years. And then we get into quantification and some of the two do's around specific actions. So that's pretty much a brief overview of the C Quick Start program. And thank you very much. Very much, Dale. And we do have a question here that Ted Sheldon did want to take at this time. So thanks again, Dale. Ted, go ahead. Now, Dale, thank you very much. Awesome. And a good overview of some of the dynamic things going on with this thing along the application of the C Quick Start. I'm just, I see, and you have a question just because we can see if I can meet it out here. Will there be changes to the CEI report currently? Currently, it doesn't report on emissions from large corporations. If one corporation has the most emissions, privacy concerns. We have large numbers. We have large mills and have no information on emissions. A couple of dynamics coming up, but we're just on time here, so I'll be brief then. I can certainly follow it up during the discussion period or offline. But yes, we are working with the utility on looking at a different threshold from what is present. We have 50% threshold to a less than number of residential, commercial and industrial. So we're going through that process as we speak. And part of that is embroiled in a CEI complementary initiative called TANDM, which is track and neighborhood data modeling. So I'll be glad to share that with you in more detail. It suffices to say that for any subsequent reports that may come up and still have information, primarily at the industrial level, that is withheld for really competitive rights reasons that we encourage discussions with us and the utility who are really just protecting it on behalf of their client. And we have had occasion where we then work with the client and that facility, and where they have no concerns with that, then we make it available and update the CEI reports. So hopefully that helps for now. Great. Thank you. Thanks for the question and thanks, Ted. We do have another question there, but I think we do need to go on with the next presentation here. But we do still invite your questions, and we'll certainly get to that one yet. Before Bill does start, I did do just want to mention that Bill is in a rural community, and that there are some advanced challenges, perhaps, with the video, so it may be a bit to watch if he can even lose his video. But we can hear him fine. Go ahead, Bill. We can hear him fine. I hope. Good afternoon, and I'm not on mute, I assume. We can hear you fine. Okay, with Bill as a Queen Charlotte, I'm the CAO, and I'll be joined here by Yule Herbert, the Director for Sustainability Solutions Group at the back end of this presentation. And this is a view of how the sun comes up every morning in Queen Charlotte, of course. Queen Charlotte is located in Haida Gwai, the traditional territory of the Haida Nation. And many of the things we do on Haida Gwai are closely related to the Council of Haida Nations and our neighboring community here of Skidaget, and then Old Masset, which is at the north end of the island. We are within the Queen Charlotte, rather than the Skidaget Queen Charlotte Regional District, which is actually headquartered out of Prince Rupert. The total population in Haida Gwai is approximately 5,000 people, and there are five main communities with Masset being the largest. Poor Clements, Queen Charlotte, and the Haida communities of Old Masset and Skidaget. Transfit is the largest of the rural communities, and it's located on Morseby Island right across the bay from us here. Our main links to the BC mainland is by BC Ferries, and that's for food, supplies, access to medical specialists, school supports, events. It's six hours one way on those days when the ferry is running. The ferry is very weather dependent, so if it's extra windy, the ferry will not come, and if that happens on a Monday, we don't get the grocery order. We also have two airports with connections to Vancouver, approximately two hours away, and Masset is 115 kilometers from Queen Charlotte along Highway 16. Some of the challenges that we, like other remote rural communities experience is one is the remoteness, access to services, our transportation services and high costs resulted in high costs of food and materials. We have a small population base, as I mentioned, of 5,000 people. We have a lot of very independent and environmentally aware thinkers on the island. The remoteness I think is what attracts them to be here. Energy-wise, our electricity here is diesel generated for the most part, 100% on the north end of the island from Masset and Fort Clements, an old Masset. On the south end of the island, we have diesel generated and a small hydro project operated by Epcor, and that's over on Moorsby Island. Tremendous lack of government capacity for major projects. We deal with off-island bureaucracies for a lot of our programs, and we're very dependent upon grants for projects having a small tax base that we all have here. High cost of fuel is one thing we contend with daily. This slide, November 11th, the prices of gas and diesel were $1.66 and $1.57 per liter respectively, and there's no extra taxes included in that. That's just what we deal with on a daily basis. Our Climate Action Plan was completed in 2011 by the Sustainability Solutions Group. That plan is on our website if you're interested in seeing it. The plan was jointly funded by BC Planning Grant for $10,000, and the balance shared equally by Masset, Fort Clements, and Queen Charlotte. What we discovered both late in the fall last year, we got an email actually from the province asking if we're going to submit a claim on a planning grant that we actually didn't realize that we had. So we looked at it, and at our quarterly managers meeting on the island here with the other communities, we raised the issue of whether they wanted to participate with us on a Climate Action Plan. They did very quickly, got their council support. Sustainability Solutions Group already had an associate on High Deguay, which made it very easy for us to connect with them, and they came on board and completed the plan over approximately a three-month period. The plan does not include the regional district or any of the regional areas or the high-deck communities. We are dealing with the council high-deck nation now and some follow-up on the plan, and very hopefully you're going to be having a meeting with them in the next few weeks. Spring Charlotte Council adopted the plan and is incorporated into a new OCP, which is adopted in June of this year. Highlights of the plan. The plan highlighted that the nature of our communities, we have compact communities with a higher average proportion of cycling and walking rates than the provincial average. An opportunity to develop a revolving loan fund versus a purchase of carbon offsets and EUL will get into discussion with that at the end of the presentation. It provided a municipal, identified municipal partnership and opportunities beyond just to develop the plan and primarily on the energy and transportation issues. All communities need clean energy, electrical energy, versus the existing diesel generation on High Deguay. Community economic development opportunities exist for developers of clean energy options and specific options were developed for each community situation, and they were included in the plans. For Queen Charlotte, specifically, our 2020 targets that have been adopted into our official community plan now are to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions by 20% over 2007 levels, to reduce solid waste production by 50%, to reduce liquid waste production by 50%, and to produce 26% of our food requirements locally. And the food requirement, of course, is important because everything that we have here is generally imported, although we're getting better, we have a couple of better cultural operations going on in the island, and they are increasing. Some of the actions that we looked at to gain the Establishing Revolving Energy Loan Fund, developing an island-wide transportation strategy, develop renewable energy through utility and household scale generation, develop a district energy system. In Queen Charlotte, for example, we have on the books on the plans a $50 million new hospital, and there's opportunities perhaps to link that hospital to our commercial sector of town for a district energy system at that level. Developing a composting system and encouraging recycling, and, of course, supporting low-flow toilets, composting toilets, and other water conservation measures. One of the things that Queen Charlotte doesn't yet have being a new community is a lot of bylaws. We don't, for example, have zoning. We don't have a filling code, filling bylaw. So we, at this point in time, don't have a lot of opportunity to go within people's property lines to deal with issues that they have there. They are responsible for us to comply with the BC Building Code, which now has a little toilet requirement in it. But we're progressing, and we are actually having adopted an official community plan this year. We are looking, as a next step, to develop a zoning bylaw. This is an example of one of the tables of the plan that just shows you what the impact of the diesel-generated electricity is. The Queen Charlotte BC emissions factor of greenhouse gas emissions is 52 tons. The offset cost for Queen Charlotte at this time is $1,316. It's soon to increase as we take over the fire department building later, early next year. Based on the north-south grid emissions factor, though, on diesel, the use of diesel energy, that tonnage jumps up to 135 tons for a $3,383 offset cost. And you can see, though, the dramatic difference that makes an asset where they are 100% electrical-generated by diesel, where the diesel offset cost is $26,000 versus $4,000 using the BC rate of $25 a ton. So we have some issues. We have some opportunities to improve situations aerobatic-wide, definitely. This is a table out of the, now in our OCP, but also in our plan, and this shows some of these strategies that we're looking at, some of the themes of transportation, buildings, waste, air quality, some of the actions that we're looking at, environmental benefits, social benefits, and economic benefits. And, for example, on transportation, great walking cycling path. Council has already implemented that. We are currently developing a 1.5-kilometer sea walk for my grant that we received in July of this year. We're also looking at opening some of our undeveloped rights away for connectivity within the nearest valley, building stairs, and improving the... All right, Bill, I am getting from here. If I could just ask our attendees to please mute their line. Star 6, please. Someone's on hold. I think someone may be on hold. Sorry, Bill, we may have to... You could beat out that music, please. What's your background music for my presentation? Let me just try one more. Try and go on lecture mode, Bill, and then I'll... One moment. The conference is in lecture mode. Okay, Bill, hopefully this works for you. Can you hit Star 9, please? I seem to be able to hear you. I'm going to take off lecture mode. The conference is no longer in lecture mode. All right, so these are some of the things that we are looking at. As I say, we've incorporated this table into our Official Community Plan, and we will be working through some of these strategies over the course of the next few years. One of the opportunities, of course, in the timing of the project that we did, the consultation with the community that was able to be held in concert with the consultation on the Official Community Plan and the public hearing that's required. So we were able to incorporate the consultation on the Energy Plan at the same time and ensure that all of the community became aware of it. Some of the conclusions at this point in time. Small communities, of course, have limited resources and capacity to undertake planning and implementation. Grants are important. Partnerships are important in rural communities with neighboring communities, government agencies, and with First Nations. Plans must be realistic and achievable, and GHG offset costs should remain in the community or regions and be available to develop alternatives and to encourage programs that reduce GHGs. We do have alternative energy activity going on the island. This is a set of solar panels that's on a house nearby our office here, and this particular house is charged, a trickle charging into batteries, and they do not know this. The frequent times that we have brownouts or power outages due to windstorms. This is one of our ISP providers on the island, and this is one of his towers, communications towers, and again backed up with the solar panels for batteries. He actually has a windmill at the top of that pole we see there. This is a larger windmill operation, a private operation up in North Beach, and this is a micro-hydro operation on the Mydalen farm, which actually produces a good deal of the agricultural produce that we purchase on the weekends here at the farmers market. This slide here is just to demonstrate that it's not all bad. This picture was taken on Christmas Day last year for the Christmas kayak get-together, and remoteness does have its benefits. I'll turn it over to you all now to carry on. Maybe if you can click me through. Sure, absolutely. I just would ask our attendees please not to put their phone on hold during the first day. Again, we did have a little bit of feedback. If you could mute your line. Star stick to mute your line. Thanks so much. I thought you would go ahead. Thank you. I just wanted to start by saying that Haida Gwai is one of the death places I've ever got to work, and it's the only time that the first thing that happened to me when I arrived was that I got taken out for a four-hour kayak ride by the local CAO of the community. This is a list of the communities that we've been working with over the past six or seven years to model greenhouse gas emissions. We've worked with a lot of small and medium-sized and larger-sized communities to look at their greenhouse gas emissions. And each exercise has been different in terms of the depth of the analysis and the types of scenarios that were developed. In terms of some of the observations that we've found in this process, the first one is that the modeling indicates that the 33% by 2020 target that many municipalities have adopted is extremely ambitious and requires a fundamental change in the design of communities. There's no way that, at least in my opinion, that a community can expect to keep on going with status quo and achieve those types of targets. So this target in particular, and even less ambitious targets, have fundamental implications for the way in which BC communities function. But change can really be an opportunity, and that's where we've been focusing. We've, in our modeling, we've identified three key challenges for rural communities. This one is communities with flat or declining populations have much fewer leavers to reduce greenhouse gas emissions because there's simply little change in those communities. The second challenge is that there's limited engagement by community members because there are often competing priorities. Some communities, particularly resource communities, are facing significant economic challenges. The population may be aging, or there just aren't that many people, and so it's difficult to engage, to find a critical mass of people who will support, become the constituency for climate action. The third challenge is that carving out staff time and finding financial resources in very tight budgets with the small staff that often already has way too much onto the plate is extremely difficult, and so I think that the high-deguide communities would be a great example of that. So this is a map of the village of Macedon, high-deguide, which, like all the communities on high-deguide, are very compact and they have a very high walking mode share as a result. SSG's focus, one of the solutions to some of the challenges I presented, is really to look at land use and to implement as many possible solutions at the land use level. Land use is the foundation in which all GHG strategies start and everything flows from land use. If you have a compact mixed-use community, it is easier for people to walk or cycle instead of drive. District energy and public transit become economically feasible and there are many other health and community benefits. If it's not compact, these strategies are expensive and complicated. For those communities with a flat or declining population like those in high-deguide, it appears difficult to alter the existing land use pattern in the community, but there are always potential interventions because there's always change. For example, in Hope, one of the potential land use interventions was to incentivize setting up a grocery store so that people wouldn't need to drive to Chiloac. Or in the village of Queen Charlotte, the municipality might work with local community groups to support affordable housing near a commercial development, enabling people to walk to work and helping to focus development in the center of the community. The second strategy that we've been using for small actually for all the municipalities we've worked with is to broaden the scope of the analysis. So our approach has been to consider the variables that a municipality can influence all the variables that a municipality can influence in its efforts to reduce GHG emissions. For example, a municipality can influence the number of trees or even apply it for community forests, not increasing its carbon sink and reducing its emissions. A municipality can also influence how much land is used for agriculture and whether the food produced is locally consumed by encouraging farmers markets or box programs. GHG emissions associated with non-mobile food are very high, so this is an additional leverage point that can be used. The third point I will mention is that we look for synergies and this has already been touched on in a couple of presentations so far, that opportunities to do things that will not only reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but also reduce community priorities. So for example, in the village of Queen Charlotte, many people walk along the main road including tourists who admire the beautiful view and the introduction of a foot or bicycle path, which has now been done or is in process, will be a tourist draw increasing the safety of pedestrians and reducing greenhouse gas emissions as more people feel secure and cycling and walking. So it is a win-win-win solution. In addition, we seek to frame the strategy around issues which resonate locally on how to get both energy security to the major issue there, both in terms of cost and reliability. One of the most interesting ideas that emerged out of Haida Gwaii is the Revolving Mones Fund proposal. This fund would leverage carbon offset money from the municipalities with other funds from local foundations, BC Hydro and other sources. The fund would make loans which reduce households and business energy costs in the community. Then the cost savings would be split between paying back the loan to the fund and the homeowner or business owner. So both the business or homeowner gain as and the fund gets the money paid back from savings. In order for the fund to meet the spirit of the climate action, the funds need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions equivalent to those produced by the municipality's operations and the reductions must occur outside of the corporate operations. So for that fund to meet that charter, it has to reduce GHG emissions equal to what the corporate emissions are and it must also happen outside of the scope of the corporate operations. And so the last thing we do in terms of identifying synergies is always to translate the GHG target into household cost savings. So, for example, if the target reduces a certain amount of greenhouse gas emissions, we'll say, well, that's going to reduce the average household energy cost by $2,500 from transportation and household energy. And this is something that resonates with people a lot more easily than tons of greenhouse gas emissions per capita. And that's it for me. I've heard that one already. I'll begin. Just coming over to Ron and John, just thank you very much, Bill and Ewell, and some of the campus thoughts in and around some of the challenges of rural communities as well as some of the opportunities. You saw credits in terms of contacts. We'll be visiting them for the whole list of contacts from our valued speakers here at the end as well as a couple of other points. And we're a little bit behind, so we wanted to ask any questions now. But as Darby says, please, as they come up in your mind, hand them into the webinar here and we'll address them afterwards. And without further ado, we have the dynamic duo of John Gunther and Ron Gillette coming from the University of British Columbia together, John from the City of Rebelsville. Thank you very much, Ted. I hope you can hear me. If you can't, let me know. You can. Go ahead. You cannot hear me? We can. Go ahead, John. Okay, so what I'd like to do is start off. Hopefully, you can see the pointers here with the general description of the city itself. The city is about 8,000 people, a permanent residence, a little less than that. We have a fairly large resort on the southeast corner here, which is the World Patsky Resort. A lot of construction is going on there right now, and the mountain is, of course, open and active. Open this weekend, as a matter of fact. We have a large, fairly significant downtown core, and that core itself is pretty essential to the infrastructure. We have adopted an OCP in 2009, and part of that OCP Objective Council has seen that we should be putting together a fairly robust public participation master plan. One of the objectives within the OCP was the master planning objectives, and that is that we should focus on putting projects together in terms of proactive planning rather than reactive planning. In order to get there, we really thought the decision-making process within the community needs to be embedded within the communities themselves. To get to that point, we thought the best approach to approach the community was to think in terms of what that fabric looks like, what the forms look like, what the form itself, how it's framed. We took on what's called the smart code. It's an open-source code. All of this is, by the way, is available through our website. The idea is that the smart code template itself starts to frame the form and shape of the building, the fabric, the appearance of the community itself, and how it engages the public realm, the public realm being the streets and road network and public spaces. This is a T1 zone, and you can see it's very natural open. There's a visual that would appear in the by-law, and this is what we're working on right now. That T1 zone is available for people to take a look at. It's actually one of those things that most rural and urban municipalities would be putting into their zoning, and it helps to frame in terms of protected areas. This is a shot looking at the Columbia River, and this would be an area, of course, that we would want to protect, as opposed to the areas that are in behind here, which is the downtown core. One of the interesting statistics here about good comprehensive planning, and you will mention this earlier, was land use impacts and greenhouse gas. It's estimated that Calgary, which has got at kind of a 75% sprawling city and maybe a 25% compact of other mixed use, will save over $11.2 billion in 60 years if they build compacts, at 33% saving on infrastructure. So one of the things we've looked at in terms of impact is what's called fiscal impact analysis, and that is what are the costs of building residential development, the cost of streets and infrastructure, and how does that impact the urban fabric and the cost of energy itself. In most cases, every time a fiscal impact analysis is done, residential, single family development, especially those that are exclusively zoned, not that we won't have some of those, costs more intact in infrastructure than they pay in taxes. U.S. APA study estimates infrastructure 32% to 47% less expensive to build compacts. Another example of what it means to build in more mixed use components. Doubly residential density, while increasing nearby employment trends in mixed use, can decrease vehicle miles traveled by 25%. So we've mentioned earlier by Alan that transportation is a big component of that, but I would bet that most of that transportation efficiency really comes from well thought out land use. In order to look at land use, one of the key parts of this is what's called Euclidean zoning, which is on the left, this area here, this mall area, which is outlined by this infrastructure here, is separated by a barrier, and there's the residential development. In order to go from here to here, it requires a 10 minute drive when you can probably walk with five minutes, just three or four minutes. As opposed to the one on the right, which is more of a forms-based look, some of this is back to the future. It's not talking about doing something significantly different than what we've done in the past. We thought about communities much more integrated before the automobile came along. Part of this change is taking a look at this. This is a pretty sterile, we believe hopefully nobody recognized where this is. A sterile look of a city, a streetscape, no planting, very poor, kind of auto-oriented development, what we call strip mall type of look. As change occurs, there's the ability to start thinking in terms of more street character of the building and how it engages the street, and then filling that in with landscaping material and softening the impacts of the asphalt presence and making it much more walkable, much more open. Most people would say this gives the city identity. This is where people want to be. This is the space that people want to occupy as opposed to the first slide. In order to do this, what we've done is taken a formal approach and an informal one. The first one was to take a look, we did a community energy and emissions plan as well, one of the larger ones even though we're a small city, and the hydro. The objective was to get our targets, fairly realistic ones, lined up with where our biggest impacts were, transportation and land use. There is another one with industry, obviously that impacts a lot of cities as well, which is an important component. In order to do that, we've back to the seat and we have a district energy plan deals with biomass, and the city has a biomass system. That's important for us as well because that has impact on climate change. The OCP talks about forms-based by-law and that is putting together an integrated by-law of all development codes where we're hoping to integrate subdivision and everything together, so we deal with the public realm and the private realm together. Part of that process is the decision-making model that we've talked about. Here's the plans working together both from a community planning perspective and energy planning. We have a website, and I'm sure Ted will provide the linkages for that, rebelstokeudb.com, which is our planning website, which gives you some linkages on that. Here's our district energy system which feeds a number of buildings in town. The pipes are all hot water. The biomass system is through heat exchangers that are down by the mill, and it's owned by the city. The city, and this is interesting, some of the questions we ask as far as public engagement is concerned and the involvement of the city and public in those decision-making models. We didn't intend anybody to read this slide, necessarily just to see what the model looks like. Our public participation process, a council really wants to engage the community at the grassroots level. It's very important that that engagement be active and be responsive to the needs of the community itself and deliver projects and changes that people really understand and can buy into. We saw this, the left side is being the informal process. The central one is the formal process that's rezoning, OCP amendments, development review, and then the educational portion which we hope to integrate working with UBC in the community itself. This is so much fun. We're still going on. No, you're done. So I'm done. I'm passing it over to Ron now because I want to see it on the show. Over to Ron Kellett. So I have to ask a question, Darby. I can be close to the computer or I can be close to the phone. The question is, can people hear me? Well, we can both see you and hear you well. So it looks like you're just right there. All right. Thank you very much. So thanks, John and others. What I would like to do is just recalibrate our conversation just a little bit. We're a research group in a school of architecture and landscape architecture. And the work that we do tries to integrate consideration of environmental issues, energy, and emissions chief among them into the planning process. So the question that we carry around with us most days is this one, which is, would local planning be different if people could see energy and emissions and emissions in the options that are presented to them? And if that was the case, would their engagement in that seeing help them understand what the implications of those options might be and would that understanding encourage them to accept those fighting options that were more favorable to energy and emissions than perhaps other ones? So we were very fortunate last year to get a project grant, a research grant from PICS, Pacific Institute for Climate Solutions. And in that, we partnered with the City of Revelscope to use a technique that we've applied in many other kinds of communities for other kinds of questions, which we call measured visualizations, and then to do the public engagement piece around that research question. So if we were to help people in a community become interactive with the sorts of studies that link community planning options, energy, and emissions, would it respond favorably to the question that we had? So perhaps to kind of be mindful of the fact we just started this, the project was approved around May. We started in the summer and we'll run for another year and a few months. So we're kind of in that point where we generally know what we're doing but we haven't done most of it yet, but I'll let you know what we're up to. So to kind of get at that measured visualization question, this is just an example of how we think. We try to find ways to connect the words of a planning document to the pictures of what the community might look like to the numbers, which might be more revealing than what they might perform. And so what we've been doing over the years is building up quite a robust set of land use cases that are measured and illustrated exactly the same way. And so what we're doing with Revelstoke right now literally is that we've gone through the form-based code that John just described and we've begun to link some of those diagrams on the left with actual building types. So we've begun to kind of identify what this code requirement is and then in parallel what we're doing is doing some energy modeling on them to get an understanding of what some of the combinations of construction standards and design standards and energy options, what kind of outcome they might have in terms of energy intensity or emissions intensity. In parallel with that we've been building a fairly big digital model of Revelstoke of which I'm showing you here. And so the idea here is that we're going to identify some neighborhood-scale study areas in the community and we're going to put that those cases, those building blocks if you will, into different kinds of combinations to demonstrate kind of A what they look like and B how they might perform. And so to kind of back up on the energy and emissions piece of this so the idea here is how much energy is going into the community which is that described on the left and what we don't know quite as well is how that energy is spent how much of it goes into household-scale choices how much of it goes into neighborhood-scale choices and how much of it kind of scales up to a whole community choices. So our aspirations here are to take that community-wide snapshot and actually start to tie it to those different scales and the one that will be the biggest challenge for us is the middle one which we think a lot of the land use planning needs to play out at a neighborhood-scale and connecting the kind of energy consequences of planning decisions to vehicle miles traveled and building energy intensity is an area that we anticipate spending a lot of our energy and effort on. And so the way we're going to go about this is very soon in a few months, May 2012 we're going to do a workshop with the community in which we have them engage without any sense of measurement of the energy implications what some of these options for two study areas in the community are. So we're going to do these visualization exercises and out of that we'll come here's some ways that the community might grow in the future relative to the community plan and the form-based approach. After that's done we're going to measure the energy and emissions consequences of them and get some kind of an overview of if people grew the community in ways that they would like to what would the outcome be relative to the emissions goal and to energy consequences. And then we're going to ask them to revisit the futures that they have described and see if anything about what they learned about the energy and emissions consequences affected the way they thought about this. So we hope to learn and to communicate back to pick from any other community in the world actually but particularly in DC is will this way of working using measured visualizations elevate the role of energy and emissions in local planning conversations and would that elevated awareness improve receptivity or perception of planning strategies that improve energy and emissions performance and of course which of them techniques that we use to measure and visualize turned out to be the most effective in reference. So that's the work in progress that we are. This is our contact information John's reference to the Unified Development Bylaw website is there. There's my email address and the case-based data where all the cases that we use are at that particular website as well. So thank you. Thank you very much Ron. So now we would like to turn things over to a discussion portion of today's presentation and so I would like to point you to the top right corner of your screen that feedback button once again. If you do have a question please just click on that scroll down menu and change the indicator from green which is the lead to question and they will queue up for us. You can direct your question to who you think is most appropriate or we may just more generally answer your question. You're also welcome to if you don't want to wish to actually speak to the question just type it into the Q&A section at the top as well and we do have a question there right which perhaps Ted would like to speak to. The question is if the majority of GHGs are from transportation have you considered a multi stakeholder group which has put its agencies that address societal change to more active transportation? Thanks for that and hi Pam we'll follow as well with you and Kelona. Thanks for your question Ted here. Yeah it sounds very very provocative I was initially looking at it from a looking at your question assuming that you were coming at it from a regional district or municipality perspective and as I'm a little out of date on the Central Okanagan Regional District and some of the transit plans and the like that I recall them developing at least in the past and bringing multiplicity of stakeholders around that table and thinking as well you know capital regional district and their linkages in their transportation plan to what used to be called the regional growth strategy and now is being called the regional sustainability strategy and the related member disabilities thinking about trans link and Metro Vancouver and progressive transportation initiatives everything from the walkable communities focus, the livable centers the transit implications and multimodal intersex and the like and there's lots of examples other examples around the province as far as looking at it from a provincial perspective that's a good one not to my working with ministry of transportation and looking at broad 40 year transportation plan not as far as specifically looking at it from a green house gas emissions reductions perspective and I'm certainly not necessarily one that would be fully in that loop but I like that suggestion would love to follow up with you on that and following this call I'm going to query one of my value contacts in the ministry of transportation and ask him that great question so hopefully that's a bit of a sacred time for that I was also going to just step back if I can and I'm just ruminating here the past thinking with our valued rural communities around the province while you think of a question or two and either the first question which is any questions from our attendees on any one of those issues that our speakers have touched on and or point number two similarly any examples you'd like to bring to the floor from your own community and or three for everybody including our speakers get some thought to maybe expanding on or touching on anything you may have referenced speakers regarding facilitating economic development because we know so there's so much difficult between climate action and prudent sustainable development John your reference to Calgary and the $12 million certainly jumps to mind on that one so maybe give us some thoughts to that but just real quick retrospectively I was just ruminating over the early 90s and the 20% caught a lot of the Federation of Famous Valities we've been blessed in BC by having frontrunner leading municipalities in regional districts from the Department of Canada and the world in their own right and so many innovative approaches that have been undertaken that we've heard our three speakers speak to here are if you will not only innovative but they're pushing forward on so many so many different fronts and speak in part to the silent majority of communities out there that are making their own progress on same so we're certainly proud of we the world we are certainly proud of all of you I think there's 61 plus members of the FTM Department of Climate Protection Program that are BC municipalities that we work with on supporting common communication and frameworks and the like so who don't see you guys Ted if I could jump in here John Gunther here one of the things that we did on the economic development side that we saw important especially as development proceeds is the view that people need to have a fairly good feel of what their future community looks like and that includes active transportation and in order to integrate that one of the ideas was to do proactive planning and that is to do development planning I realize that takes resources but the idea is that we would work with developers or building owners or people that want to change things proactively to give them a context to not just do a lot by lot but a broader framework the more that you can do that in a municipality the more the predictability around economic development it takes hold and that is that you have a share of the development land use component include industrial, commercial, mixed use, some obviously residential and some single family and that you've got first of all those potentials exist so people can come and capitalize on them and that field is right for people to use it if it's not there, if it's not known and if it's not understood well then you're reacting and that tends to be the way democracies do planning they react to things they don't plan for them we see this in an urban fabric all over and a rural fabric all over the province Ron might want to add something to that that's all I had for him that's good I'm going to turn to just a few other people who seem to be keen to put forward some questions here and before I do that I had promised at this point to mention that we do have resources and contacts on the next two slides so if you are having to drop out before the end please be aware that those are will be available but next on the queue is Larry Ford and you may have been there for some time just from that test we did at the start but if you do have a question please go ahead it's star six and you can ask your question I do think that may have been a hold over and Pam we did hear from you with your questions so perhaps unless you have anything more we'll turn to Marianne Stoltz and I see you you can see your question in multiple ways so Marianne please start and go ahead I apologize I'm not familiar with the webinar system so I wasn't sure if I was asking in the right way anyways what my question is and I guess it's more for Ron has there been any specific modeling done for agricultural land use development specifically? Sorry Ron you just line muted we just couldn't hear you there We're up now so Marianne I'm not sure what modeling of energy and emissions or modeling of agricultural production well it just on how you established a method of education for public interface and I was just wondering if any type of land use development specific to agriculture within the urban interface has been considered as part of that work that you're in process of modeling not in our research lives but I have students who have been doing things like this quite a bit so in that regard there are some emerging studies but none of them have been taken out into the field quite yet actually there was a grad student who worked with me about a year ago who kind of looked at that exact question the flow of energy through agricultural landscapes so if you'd like to follow up talk to me about it later I'd be happy to do that that would be wonderful I'll definitely be in contact with you then Ron thank you you're welcome we have an opening here for any additional questions that anyone does have hi it's a pal again calling from dialing in from Kelowna I just can you hear me? wonderful part of my question with stakeholders groups was really alluding to the fact that the latest research says that by 2031 and three of us will have diabetes and of course we're an aging population so that will I think heavily in select impact on planning and how our towns will in the next 50 years look like with the demographic shifting to those with chronic diseases less mobility they're unlikely to be driving they will be driving less just because of their lack of mobility so I'm just wondering whether or not that that is being taken into any of the modeling Dale here I can say that we do include some of that in some of the see quick start modeling recognizing that there is a natural decrease in vehicle kilometers traveled as people age and that's more of a consideration in some communities than others particularly some in the southern parts of the Okanagan and some over on Vancouver Island where there's a very significant senior population we also are encouraging the local governments to connect with the health authorities on a variety of issues not just the promotion of active transportation and health outcomes associated with that but also on leveraging where it's provided the transportation services that the health authorities sometimes provide kind of the undocumented or self inter-community transportation that's that's already exists out there and I can jump in on that as well I think there's a well I suspect that there's a very strong relationship between a community that has low greenhouse gas emissions and a community that has higher health outcomes and I think it's a big question that needs to be looked at a lot and at least we're hoping to look at that question and build some sort of model that will evaluate greenhouse gas emissions as associated with land use as well as the health outcomes associated with land use Sorry boss go ahead I was just going to suggest that if people don't know the work of Larry Frank at UBC the Center for Active Transploits he's done a fair bit of energy while more GHG modeling relative to health outcomes and that's the nature of his work is to connect the dots on those two things so Larry Frank Center for Active Transportation Yeah and Larry does have actually a lot of information but it's usually a higher urban density than a lot of our communities outside of the lower mainland and that's a great question I agree And Ron that's a wonderful little segue if I can take you back on these comments as well talking a lot about health benefits and from health and looking at complementary efforts that will also have health outcomes like walkable communities for example that Ron mentioned that Dr. Larry Frank undertakes notwithstanding the larger communities that he has typically been looking at but complete compact energy efficient communities just to use our nomenclature from the Climate Action Charter you end up you're focusing towards more compact complete communities so they're more walkable pedestrian friendly communities they're also within the social element of social interaction from that there's a reduction of improvements in air quality that are concomitant with that as well that have its own set of air quality air quality Yeah I like to cover the whole downtown area to fill in the gaps Yeah We have a conversation going on there that's maybe helpful Thanks for that and then the only other comment I'll be back again Tuesday we do have put this on lecture mode The conference is in lecture mode and there's the only other comment that maybe just recently we've been talking with some other indicator gurus and I'll list a couple of them and leaving this one up is volunteer to be the whisper center for sustainability we've been working with a number of local governments around D.C. as well on their integrated community sustainability sustainable planning quick start program but talking with them and other colleagues like Fraser Basin Council's indicator gurus Steve Litty and Metro Vancouver and a couple within the provincial government and a couple of others recently just looking at this cadre of indicators sustainability indicators that we might look at as common metrics for local governments in D.C. So that's just an aside and nothing that discussion has only just started with them but certainly keeping health outcomes although I'm furthest from understanding the direct cause and effect relationships as it pertains to health but certainly the importance of health outcomes as far as the health of the communities that will be living living together in a sustainable way is so important. Thanks I would ask our attendees to please mute their lines and start to fix this time unless you have a question here I will take it out of lecture mode now and hopefully that conversation has ended. The conference is no longer in lecture mode so the repair job on my summary has not been completed so we're hoping to get money from the I'm going to go back on to lecture mode the conference is in lecture mode I think I have to ask you to do unfortunately at this point it's actually typing your questions in the Q&A at the top and I'm sorry for these technical challenges Ted? I know we're running short on time folks but a couple things, one just a segue of so many innovative things going forward Ron you're with a lot of speakers and I think SOL accordingly speaks to the value of bringing pictures to the table bringing maps and 3Ds etc adding what has been kind of more to date than words and numbers and as you pointed out adding the visual side of that some of us half of our brain I guess is more visually oriented than the other half the other comment if I can and I'm not too sure if Bill is able to respond to this but I know I see a couple people that are on our invitee list that have similar interests and that's on the topic of district energy systems Bill spoke briefly about, I think it was hospital based looking at a system that could potentially be building a hospital tight in the community and maybe even some of the surrounding residential areas. Curious possibly a question to yourself or anybody else that has similar experience in rural communities I'm thinking of course Rebelsville obviously John and Alan you're thinking on that and end every small little district energy system etc is the challenge of scale when it comes to district energy systems in rural communities but it's exciting to see communities like yourself on the phone here starting to starting more half of some time now in leaders on that front just wondering if there's any comments on thing just going to and I'm hoping that that conversation has finished so again please if the audience could be mute their line and hopefully we can hear from Bill as well. The conference is no longer in lecture mode are you there and did you want to speak to that? Yeah I'm here Ted, thanks for that question it's a recent opportunity I think comes from the village Queen Charlotte and tied very much to the plans for a $50 million upgrade or actually new hospital which is immediately adjacent to our commercial area, our major commercial area. We have a new economic development officer in the community Heather Hornoi who started here earlier this year projects she brought forward. Yeah and again audience if you could please mute your line we are getting a conversation interrupting our webinar please Bill if you could go ahead Yeah did you hear me when I said or I think you had a contact name there we didn't quite catch Okay yeah the economic development officer in town here is Heather Hornoi and she came to us earlier this year from Kimberly and she's the one who's kind of I think identified the opportunity for this community energy project to tie in with plans for building new hospitals so I would say we're probably somewhere in the three-year period of looking at that depending upon hospital funding but I'm very interested in seeing the plan the single rebel scope has done there and we'll refer to that. Thank you Bill, John is there any thoughts on things any lessons learned for other rural communities? Yeah you know we we've got three elements of ours we did the community energy and emissions plan we have a district energy and expansion plan we call it the seep and the deep both of those are public documents you can certainly and I think they're on the list of documents you have here available Ted the other one is a business plan actually which is part of putting together three or four components of how the corporation operates what its governance is like potential service area bylaws which is the idea of putting in the zoning bylaw mandatory hookups as well as energy ready design for buildings and that is if buildings are going to be designed to be hydronic or hot water they need to be thought of and regulated at some stage in the design process those are really fundamentals we believe for a valid and really strong and robust community energy system we're at capacity right now we just hooked up we should have people come and tour Revelstoke soon too we just hooked up our new high school which is lead gold and it was hooked up before but the new ones hooked up in the new elementary school be hooked up next summer so we're looking for capacity expansion there's also provisions in the new biomass boiler thing for an on for monitoring without hiring a power engineer that legislation was international change within the last year as well that helps with putting the systems in place we have a really good volunteer resource there with David Johnson and Jeff Battersby Jeff is the former mayor so if any community wants a good contact we have lots of those there and a fairly good track record of how to respond to these types of needs within the community especially as demand ramps up or as you want to start building demand hopefully that helps and I think we are getting very closely in the time of just a minute left but there was one last question here I'll read out I'm sorry we won't have much time for it but and this question comes from Kelly Gresner all of our work is in rural communities on Vancouver Island for regional district declines we are writing GHD reduction targets policies and actions into OCPs how will these regional districts manage to monitor the success or lack they have towards the targets Thanks very much Kelly you may have to follow this up online that's an information laden question and I'll just touch on it right now but I'd love to follow up with you afterwards let me touch on the corporate side and things that seem to be beyond the line here a colleague over at the time of action secretary and they with the Green Communities Committee are working on carbon neutral carbon neutral framework to guide local governments as well as specifically a smart tool to work with interested local governments on developing a framework to then subsequently monitor it going forward so as far as local governments operations are concerned that is kind of the tool and or there are other tools out there but that's kind of the key tool that is provided thanks to earlier work with ministries in the province and public sector organizations as far as the GHD reduction targets policies in action more broadly on a community-wide basis that's where we can speak at length of course Kelly offline regarding the BC's community energy and the mission the inventory for all local governments to be seen first in North America as a base to provide as a baseline measure which is 2007 2010 we'll be coming up early next year and then 2012 and every two years hence there are supporting indicators that we're developing and I'm furthering going forward on that so the CEI will be making this transition from being a baseline measure to an ongoing monitoring reporting measure hopefully as a crux of other supplementary information and related data that can complement that for each and every municipality and or regional district in the province it's an upcoming webinar as well the CEI is it not in February is that the date? yep great thanks very much so now I'd like to close out for the day so thank you very much thank you all to our presenters and attendees as promised we did have some contacts and I just like to say sincerely bless you all speakers we look at the time and you know we're providing so much information in a relatively short period of time so thank you thank you so much for that the community presenters that were on the line you see this slide with Ellen Bill and John is coordinated to there and of course it's going to be recorded and posted on this site going forward so thank you again for that they're complementary practitioners next slide is the three from Bale, Hewlett and Ron and again thank you for supporting those communities with the progressive innovative work that you're doing and my contact on the bottom there and the last slide very briefly again it'll be is the site that some sites that are established and you may visit on a regular basis but if you don't already encourage you to go to the green communities website posted by the Ministry of Community Sports and Cultural Development and just posted last week are the 2010 tariff reports so the reports that every local government has been or majority governments have submitted on progress they're making both at a corporate and community-wide level on working towards their targets, greenhouse gas emission targets, the Climate Action Toolkit again familiar possibly a familiar site for everybody the funding sub-tags there has two funding guides one is one that Dale here on the line the Community Energy Association has updated recently another one with specific info the third and fourth bullet points website that Dale referred to Sustainability Solutions Group Group's GAC proof website that you'll has spoken to and is on their site as for the address below and the action guides and other materials similar to Dale has put down and I will mention that there are other practitioners out there a couple maybe on the phone right now but the modeling data of the art if you will continues to be pushed by these kind of pioneers in this area and we're holding a modeling practitioner's workshop with Ron on the phone here at UBC next week stay tuned for the 2010 CDI reports that Darby mentioned again on the Toolkit site will give you a freeway path or bridge path over to the Ministry of Environment CDI reports site modeling inventory of tools I mentioned and we will be updating that site following the practitioner's workshop and inventory of tools matrix for all those and the last point to make is the Green Municipal Funds you may know but starting December 1st next week they will be opening applications for a range of plans, feasibility studies, field paths, capital projects going into I believe it 2012 2013 years also on that and go to that website as I would just like to point you back to the handout section as John mentioned and as was mentioned off the top there are some documents for you there. We will be putting out a survey a couple of days after the webinar and I just strongly encourage you to please fill that in your feedback helps us tremendously and it will certainly help future webinars and that is it. I will be sending out an email to all of the registrants you attendee once the recording is up on the website and I would certainly ask you to forward that out further to any people that you feel would be interested in that so finally, thank you all very much I just want to send these thanks to our presenters Thanks Barbie Thanks Dave Thanks Barbie Thanks a lot