 arguably one of the best vegan chocolates available. So we're going to go hand them out to people and see what they think about veganism generally. No breast milk, cause like I was just talking to him about why he still breast feeds as a full grown adult. I'm tired of it. So I've got these, these are VEGO bars, right? I want you to try to analyse what's different about that VEGO bar. What's different to an usual chocolate bar about it? It's called VEGO for start off, so suggest that there's no animal fats in it. So milk, let's talk about it. When you see a carton of milk, what do you see? Um, what do I see? I always think about the cows it's come from I suppose. You do? Yeah, yeah. Interesting, what's the image that comes to your mind when you think of an English, you know, country cow? Um, they've got a big field to graze in hopefully. And, you know, just the milk's like a byproduct of what they do. I'm going to test your knowledge on the dairy industry here. Do you know the process? Um, not really, no, no. Interesting. We don't think of it. You know what I used to think? I used to think cows just ate grass and they produced milk. Is that what you're under the impression of? Yeah, but I don't know if they feed them extra things now to up the production of the milk. You know, there must be some other ingredients that they put in their diet. So you think cows just naturally produce milk? They don't have to intervene in any way? Um, yeah, I think so. Why do humans produce milk? Um, it's to feed the babies. It's mainly to feed the babies, so presumably cows do the same. So if we're going to mass produce, say, breast milk, how would we do it? Well, no, it's quite intensive farming, probably. They've got these machines that go on the udders and pump away. So it's quite an unnatural process. You know cows have to be pregnant to produce milk? Oh, of course, yeah, yeah. So they have to impregnate them somehow. I mean, you'd like to think it's done naturally. But vegans are called weird. So what we do is we grab a bunch of cows and we forcibly impregnate them, don't we? And then they sort of bear a calf. They start lactating, whatever. And that's a bit of a production of milk, I suppose, yeah. What do you think happens to the calves? Um, do they get fed artificially, maybe? Because obviously the more milk they get off their mum, the less milk there is for the dairy farmer. For the dairy industry, yeah, so they need money, don't they? Well, that's it, yeah. I know a lot of the dairy farmers are going out of business, you know, because the price of milk is not that expensive. And the amount they have to produce, you know. So I don't know, in some way I've got sympathy for them, you know, because they do have to make some sort of money. They do, they do. Have you seen cow pining for their young before? Um, I haven't really, no. You can imagine a cow being maternal, like animals maternal to their young, yeah? Oh, sure, yeah, that's it, yeah. And presumably they're separated from their young when the milking process is going on, you know. That's what you said about the whining. School pining, yeah. Have you ever seen calves in those little pens away from... Oh, I've seen some on TV, yeah, not personally, you know. Does that look right to you? Yeah, God, no. In the dairy industry in England, they follow the same process nearly worldwide, so they impregnate their cows, they separate the calves once they're born, and then the cycle repeats over and over. So with the male calves, can you, well, they don't produce milk, do they? Yeah, of course, no, no. So what do they do with them? Are they just fattened up for food, for the beef industry then? Yeah, they can be, they can be. You know, it seems quite a sad life, doesn't it, because they're separated from their mum and, you know, and it's all about, well, I suppose it's all about profit when it comes down to it, you know, rather than giving them a good sort of way of life. If they were humans, what would we call that? Slave trafficking, all sorts, you know, all sorts of nasty sort of words that you wouldn't use normally, yeah. So we'd call that basically enslavement, wouldn't we? Oh, definitely, yeah. Exploitation would come to mind? Oh, let's see, yeah, certainly with the young, you know, they sort of, they're fattened up, I don't know, they're sort of neglecting their upbringing and everything, yeah. Sticking tubes in them to inseminate them with bull semen and... Oh, God, yeah. And they harvest the bull semen from the bull somehow, you know how they do that? Yeah, it's probably a machine for it, not a plug. Yeah, let's see, yeah. So what about, well, let's just talk about the dairy cow. What do you think happens to them when their milk production declines? You know, I assume they're probably slaughtered if they're sort of not much used to the farmer, then it's like they're sort of just chopping them up for meat. Yeah. So it's maternal trauma, they're losing their children, they're being exploited sexually, and then when their milk production declines, they are sent to the slaughterhouse and killed. Yeah, let's see, yeah. Do you think taste would justify enslavement and sexual exploitation and murder of these animals? No, no, because I think, yeah, they've got sort of ways of actually reproducing that and, you know, getting some sort of way of getting the same sugar cake and everything. We can mimic the same flavours without the violence and all of that other stuff, weird stuff that goes with it, yeah? Well, hopefully, yeah, that's it, yeah. I mean, I do try and be vegan or vegetarian every Monday. Oh, really? That's my one little thing, and I'm trying to stay off the chocolate, to be honest, as well. Oh, wow. So I'm trying to cut back on that, you know. It's interesting how, you know, do you think having a Monday off of the violence would be as good as just being anti-violence? No, it always feels a bit bad actually, you know, just sort of vegan for a day, you know, and then sort of, you know, the rest of the time. I'm against animal cruelty today, the other six days of the week home. Chicken tomorrow, yeah. But to be honest, I don't eat a lot of beef either, so I feel a bit better on that. I like my milk. When did you stop breastfeeding? I can't remember. It was 62 years ago, probably, you know. I'm not even sure we did, actually, because I know... Well, you're still drinking from a cow, aren't you? So you technically haven't? Well, that's a good point, actually, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because it's coming from the breast. I'm pretty guilty now, yeah. Well, I don't want to motivate you by guilt, but you could be motivated by maybe empathy? Oh, definitely, yeah, sure, yeah. That sounds more positive, doesn't it? It makes you just think about the process as well, you know. So we've got 66 million people here in the UK. What would happen if individuals like you, 66 million of those individuals stopped buying dairy products? What would happen to the dairy industry? Well, I mean, that collapse, obviously, you know, because there's no way... I mean, they'd probably have to go into just the meat industry or something instead. Well, 50% of the beef in this country comes from the dairy industry, so they do support each other. But what if we all went vegan? What would happen to these industries that kill animals? They'd have to start growing something else, you know. Maybe something more healthy stuff as well, you know. Maybe something out of plants, you know. That's it, yeah. And I keep saying you shouldn't eat meat because it's not good for the environment as well as well as the impact on the animals. And health as well. Have you heard anything about the health side of it? Oh, sure, yeah. Did you feel differently about eating dairy, like if you saw an animal be slashed across the throat every time you purchased it? Oh, God, yeah. Yeah, because I know these things happen, you know. But it's something that doesn't get filmed, I assume. Yeah, I've got your footage. I've got your footage right here. And this is all current... Yeah, I'm assuming that they don't like people to go into an abattoir and actually film it. Activists get this footage without permission to expose what goes on here. Oh, goodness. This is Land of Hope and Glory. This is all UK current footage of abattoirs and farms. That's for you. Okay, cheers. Can you check that out? Uh-huh. And on the back... The dairy is scary. I've seen that one. You've seen it? I think someone's been stenciling me on the floor. You haven't watched dairy as scary? I haven't watched it, but I've seen it around here, where people have sort of stenciled in the logo. I'll show you what it looks like. I'll show you dairy is scary. Did you eat dairy? I might need that bag. Oh, yeah, I'll give you the bag. Wait, let's watch it right now. It's not a routine process. You see, first the industry jacks off a bunch of bulls. How do you explain that to your mates and they say, what do you do for a living? Well, you could say I'm... Haping cows every day. He's only doing that for a living to give us dairy. Human's dairy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not great, is it? So humans are paying him to do that for them? Well, of course, yeah, yeah. Milk for calcium, eh? Have you heard that before? Oh, definitely, yeah. It's good for your teeth, isn't it? Good for your bones? Yeah. They don't show you the other stuff, do they? No, no, no. So you would have grown up in the era where they were making you drink? Milk in school, yeah? It's like, you know, everyone has to drink milk. Even if you didn't like it. They made it a requirement. That's how much power the dairy industry's got. Oh, sure, yeah. It's crazy how much power they have. And you only ever see cows gracing on these... roaming on these pastures. Oh, that's it. In the picture. Yeah, it's the nice side of it, isn't it? Humane... They look happy. They look happy. They've got a big field to roam in. There's much grass you want. Humane dairy, have you ever heard of that? Yeah, but you never see it behind the scenes, do you, until that, you know? Do you think UK is any better? I don't think they are, to be honest. No, I think... They've got the trickery, don't they? Oh, that's it, yeah. They know exactly what they can show and what they can't, and, you know, they say things like that. Do you feel a little bit different about what's potentially in a chocolate bar now? Oh, definitely, yeah. Yeah, it'll make you think about it more, but... You know, that's dairy-free. This is a vegan chocolate bar. It's not going to have all the usual the goodies that you get in normal chocolate, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now you know more about the dairy industry than 95% of the population, so... How does that feel? Oh, it's good, yeah, yeah. I'm going to... I'm going to try the other sort of milks again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because usually it's just in tea anyway, you know, so it doesn't... it's just... Try the Oatly Barista. Which one? Oatly Barista. Yeah. So it's like, it's in a grey bottle, it's called Oatly. Oh, I've seen an advert for that as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Milk for humans. Yeah. It's all plant-based, yeah. Thanks for that, bro. No problem, yeah. I appreciate that. If you want to see this... Well, I'll get this, keep the chocolates off. Yeah, of course, man. That's for you. It's probably melted by hand. That's my channel anyway. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate that conversation. Thank you so much. No problem, yeah. Take care. You're doing a good job, yeah? Yeah, it's our. Thank you. Excellent work, so yeah, I hope people like the chocolate bars and have learnt a little bit about the dairy industry and the process and you're not a baby cow, bro. Let's do it.