 Daily Tech News Show is made possible by its listeners, thanks to all of you including Carmine Bailey, Vince Power and John and Becky Johnston. Coming up on DTNS, Joel Telling is here to help you understand how to get into 3D printing plus Amazon buys a primary health care provider and a spam fighting service that charges the spammer. Not you. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, July 21st, 2022 in Los Angeles, I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Redwood, I'm Sarah Lane. I'm the show's producer Roger Chang. And joining us host of 3D printing nerd Joel Telling, welcome. Well, thank you so much. Hey, it's Joel. Appreciate you guys having me. Thanks for being here. I can't wait to talk 3D printing and more, but let's start with a few tech things you should know. Facebook announced two new feeds on its mobile apps for iOS and Android. The home feed will be displayed when first opened in the app. That uses an algorithm based method for personalized discovery of Facebook content. A new feeds tab will contain recent posts from your friends, your groups, your pages and your favorites. Feeds will not offer suggested posts. So those are in that new home feed. Now, if you don't see that yet, the update will roll out globally over the next week. I mean, it's kind of genius separating what you want from the things they want you to want. 12 months after framework debuted its modular laptop, it's sending out its first round of update kits. You know, the things that make having a modular laptop worth having new modules. And Gadget describes pulling out the main board CPU and IO while keeping existing RAM, solid state drive, Wi-Fi card, battery, audio gear, screen, all pretty much everything else the same. You just swap out the CPU. And Gadget said all you needed was the included Torx T5 screwdriver and then to follow some color coded and labeled parts. There's some QR codes with links to the videos if you need them. And Gadget felt like it wasn't entirely newbie proof, but it was still easier than what you would have to do on another laptop. New main boards range from 499 to 699 into $1,079 depending on which of the 12th gen Intel chips you want. Framework also released a new 2.5 gigabit Ethernet expansion card as well. Samsung mobile president TM Rowe said that the overall smartphone industry shipped almost 10 million foldable phones in 2021. That's up 300% from 2020. For context, Samsung shipped 272 million smartphones in 2021. Ross Young of display supply chain consultants reports that Samsung held an 87.8% market share for foldables in 2021. A few tech updates out of China today. Tech Insights reports that SMIC has been shipping a seven nanometer process node chip since July 2021. Tech Insights reversion engineered the chip and said the initial images suggest it's a close copy of TSMC's 70 nanometer process technology. Meanwhile, the cyberspace administration of China find DD global finally they've been this has been coming for a while. More than 8 billion yuan about $1.2 billion US. This is over its management of personal data. Bloomberg sources say the company does not know when it can relaunch its mobile apps domestically which were taken off app stores in July 2021. And Baidu announced a new autonomous vehicle with a detachable steering wheel intended for its robo taxi service in China next year. Baidu says the car will have level for autonomous capability, meaning no need for human intervention in specific areas. It can't drive everywhere autonomously, but in a place that it's allowed to you won't need to have the person paying attention. Ford announced it will have enough battery supplies to put 600,000 EVs on the market per year by the end of 2023. Ford extended an agreement with the world's largest battery pack supplier, China's contemporary Amperex technology. It will also buy batteries from LG Energy Solutions and increase its orders from SK on. Ford also made a deal for raw materials getting lithium from Nevada's Rhyolite Ridgemine. That'll be helpful in making lithium-ion phosphate or LFP batteries, which Ford will add to the mix alongside the more traditional nickel cobalt magnanese batteries. It and most EV makers currently rely on. Yeah, so Ford getting into the battery game real big like. All right, let's talk about Amazon buying your doctor. Yeah, so if you're not familiar with one medical or you didn't hear about it today, a bit of a darling of Silicon Valley. It's a primary medical care provider in the US that provides all of your health care needs in one place, although you need to have insurance before you use one medical. It's not actually an insurance company. It includes a range of telemedicine services as well. Like lab work, some specialists promoting digital and virtual interactions more. One medical promises 24 seven telehealth and same or next day appointments guaranteed. So if you're a person who waits several weeks to see your doctor, you know, it can be very attractive. They offer a direct consumer product that you pay for on top of your health insurance, but also offer the service through companies for more than 8500 organizations. So you can think of it kind of like a Whole Foods for health care might pay a little more, but you might like it better, modern forward thinking and also pricier. Yeah, and that Whole Foods is an app comparison since Amazon is buying one medical just like they bought Whole Foods. Other than paying $18 a share and valuing the company at $3.9 billion, though, Amazon hasn't said much about its plans for one medical just that it loves them and they love us and we can't wait to work together. Amazon has been developing a health care strategy over the past few years since 2018. It has run an online pharmacy thanks to its acquisition of Pill Pack and in 2021 it expanded its Amazon care telehealth service across the US. Amazon care is virtual and only offered through employers, but it's roughly comparable to one medical other than that. Think of it as the Amazon fresh to one medical's Whole Foods, perhaps. Amazon might roll one medical and Amazon care into one service. It might keep them separate. We do know that one medical CEO, Amer Don Rubin, said he will continue to run one medical after the close of the deal. If you're interested in how one medical is doing, the company lost $90.9 million on revenue of $254.1 million in its Q1, but Amazon's kind of used to running services at a loss or low profit margin until they reach scale. Of course, the deal will need regulatory sign off and approval from shareholders in order for it to go through. That regulatory part is the part that I think I've seen a lot of FUD on the internet about this. A lot of people saying this is the worst, now Amazon's going to know all of my health data and will try to sell me things based on what's wrong with me, et cetera, et cetera. You can lend some credence to that kind of thinking. I'm not sure what data one medical has from the insurance company partners it works with. Maybe all of it, maybe partially some of the data, maybe there will be some sort of statement from Amazon explaining exactly why Amazon doesn't have access to this data because one medical is still going to be run independently. A lot of questions to be answered yet. Well, and don't forget that, yes, Amazon will have access because Amazon owns one medical, but Amazon retail will not have access to anything that HIPAA prevents them from accessing. Unless you believe Amazon's just going to break the rules, which maybe you believe, but that would be a serious problem for a company that wants to expand its healthcare business to be caught violating HIPAA out of the gate. So I would not expect there to be sharing of data between Amazon retail and one medical. I would be more concerned with the fact that one medical has suffered a data breach in the past. And what is Amazon going to be doing to make sure that the information that they do have stays secure and stays private intentionally. You're up there in Amazon country, Joel, and you're a human being who I assume, you know, occasionally needs medical care. How do you feel about this? It's really interesting to think about because like Sarah said, though, it's available for employers only, if I remember right. And before this, before I was a content creator, I worked for Adobe and so I remember having healthcare. So then would employees, rather than offering health insurance, offer services through one medical? So then if that's the case then how I'm really curious how it works out because then I mean people like to travel and typically if you have health insurance coverage that covers you somewhere else. But if your health is for your health services are provided by a company that is partnering with your employer in order to make those services possible, then do you have that that coverage that is that transports with you to other places. But what really got me curious though, because Amazon likes to acquire companies as we all know, are we finding ourselves more towards the future that's depicted in WALL-E? Is Amazon the buy-in large now at this point? Yeah. I think it's people generally don't conflate AWS and Amazon because we're used to that. And so when these stories come out, it's easy to immediately go there to go to be like, oh, it's going to all be one service. I'll be shopping for almonds on Amazon.com and it'll ask me if I want to get a cholesterol test. I'm not saying that's impossible, but I imagine that what Amazon wants to do with one medical is create easy healthcare in a separate way, branded separately, like AWS is branded separately now, that will be sort of an HMO that you can get easily. And I should run to clarify a few things. One medical is available directly. You don't have to go through an employer to get it. They go through employers, but you don't have to. Amazon Care, which is the existing Amazon thing that's all virtual, does only go through employer health insurance. But in both cases, they are neither one of them health insurance. You have to have health insurance to pay for everything. These are just making it easier, making it nicer, giving you a nicer lobby, putting the lab somewhere. It's like the advanced package on a car. Yeah. It's like you already have the car, but if you want it to be kind of cooler, maybe a little extra. Who wasn't in our Discord that described it as TSA-PRE for medical because they give you same-day appointments? That was also me. I'm trying to find lots of analogies this morning because I actually used to think one medical was health insurance. I know a fair amount of people who have it and I thought, oh, it's for people who can afford it, which is still true because it's a premium on top of your health insurance. But yeah, it works differently than I think a lot of people say, Amazon bought a health insurance company. Yeah. Not really. And it's $200 a year, which is not nothing, but it's basically like saying I want to get a primary care physician and get a little extra. So I'll pay a little extra on top of my health insurance for my doctor, right? At that point, we're talking the price of a couple lattes a month then for that premium experience. Which if you're not drinking is better for your health unless they were non-physical. I suppose, yeah. Well, let's talk spam. Let's do it. Who likes spam here? Nobody. Rhetorical question. For years, the promise of getting rid of email spam has never really worked. Spam has persisted. It's a vile weed because it's pretty free to send spam, but it costs a lot to stop it. Many folks have proposed ideas to shift the cost onto the sender somehow. You know, why does the recipient have to suffer without punishing legitimate senders in the process? So here's the latest. Protocol has a report on a company called Gated that fights email spam by making spammers donate to charity. You might say, how in the heck would that work? Statista estimates that spam made up 45% of all email traffic as of December. It's a huge problem. Gated refers to itself as noise canceling headphones for email. Tom, how does this work? So Gated analyzes when you set it up who you've emailed in the past and then builds an allow list. And it's just going to let those through. Anybody not on that list, however, will get an auto reply that reads, I don't recognize your email address. So you'll need to take one simple step in order for your message to reach me. And then it will offer a link to donate money to a charity that you choose or the option of verifying yourself. And I'm actually unclear what the verifying yourself part does. I think it maybe just alerts you on the other end that this person is saying they're a person, you know, you the user choose the charity from a list. And you also set the price that they have to donate. Could be a buck could be 10 bucks depends on how much you want to keep people out of your inbox. If the sender pays the money to the charity, their email goes to your inbox rather than to a special gated folder. 70% of that money goes to the charity. 15% just gets eaten up by processing fees. That's normal. And then gated keeps 15% of that as its way of making money. So you don't pay anything to run gated. They make their money off the people who pay to get into your inbox. If the sender doesn't donate, the email doesn't go into a spam folder. It goes into a gated folder that you can go and look through from time to time and see, oh, that person shouldn't have been in there, just like you would with a spam folder. But theoretically it's going to have less spam because I think this happens after normal spam filters have already worked. As you email people with gated on, it will automatically update your allow list to include those new people. And you can also go in and manually update it yourself. A protocol also notes that gated CEO Andy Mowat got the idea after he set up an auto reply back in the day asking senders to send 10 cents to his Venmo if they wanted him to read their email. He promised to donate to the Wounded Warrior project and not only did many people donate, but some exceeded the request and donated $20 or even more. Yeah, because he was the CEO of a company that wanted to get into his inbox, right? Yeah. I mean, I sort of like this idea. I know it's not going to work for everybody as a journalist, not that I do journalism from day to day. But you know, having been trained in journalism, journalists are not going to want to appear to be pay to play. Even if it's going to charity, they're not going to want somebody to feel like, oh, I have to pay to get this journalist to pay attention to me. That is a conflict of interest. But for a lot of people, I think they'll look at this and say, great, yeah, I love this. Just keep people away from me. Joel, would you do this? I have an issue with this. Believe me, I love charity. And for some reason, if I ran gated, I'd be like, OK, send me a buck and I'll give it to Seattle Children's Hospital up here. That's easy, right? But what I'm wondering is typically like I will get hundreds of spam messages a day. And typically they come from mailboxes that don't exist or spoofed email addresses or whatever. And so if gated is taking care of this and you get a spam message, let's say I get 100 spam messages and gated intercepts that and then sends a reply to 100 spam messages saying you have to donate a dollar. Aren't we at that point generating more email traffic? Yes. I don't know if it's significant enough to make a difference yet. But that is an interesting thought experiment of like at what scale, at what adoption level does gated, you know, I mean, it's still just email, which is very low bit rate on current bandwidth. But yeah, it's not impossible that it might cause server issues. But theoretically, wouldn't it cause the worst server issues on spam servers? It could or whoever they've spoofed to route through. Yeah, that's true. Because they route through those. But beyond that, so I kind of reserve judgment because I would want to talk to the people that actually want to utilize this service. Like I said, I get hundreds of spam messages and I use Google mail, but it catches nine out of 10, 90 out of 100. It's really pretty good. It does have some false positives as well. But just like with gated, I mean, you would have to scroll through that anyway. So I'm really curious who's the target here? Who would want this? Who has that specific spam problem in their email that normal spam filters aren't able to correct for? And I'd love to hear their thoughts and see how they're using it. From the pitch, it sounds like they're talking about like people in business, you know, Bob business quote unquote. Because again, I haven't confirmed this, but but I get the sense that your spam filter still works and that takes out 90% of the stuff and gated never even touches that. It's the it's the stuff we used to call bacon, the stuff that's like, well, it's not exactly spam, but it's unsolicited and maybe it's a press release or somebody cold calling you. That that's the stuff that it filters out to because there's always that like 10% of spam that doesn't get spam filtered and you're still like, yeah, okay, this stuff is just filling up my inbox. I feel like that's the stuff gated is focused on and some people get a lot more of that than others. I think. Oh, sorry. No, please. You, you're okay. Well, I was just thinking, I, I think there's value there. And I think for me personally, I would, I just, I want to know more. Yeah. I tried to sign up so that I could figure out a little more how it worked directly. But I think this protocol article has got them swapped because I could not complete the sign up. People hate spam. People want answers. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe that's good news for gated. Hey folks, if you've been enjoying our guests this week, please spread the word. We've been having amazing people like Joel on all week long. So if you could get out there and share a link to the episode from DTS show on Twitter, DTS picks on Instagram, send it to your friends and family by email if they don't have gated and you won't get stopped. Let them know they need to be listening to daily tech news show. Well, 3D printing is pretty great. You can 3D print tools for various projects. You can print art sculptures. You could even print something simple to replace a broken part around your house. But for a lot of people, unless you're already part of a DIY or maker community, getting started with 3D printing can be a little intimidating. People often think, well, I'm not skilled enough to participate. Having gone through the 3D printing area at CES over the years, I'm definitely in that camp. Thankfully, Joel, you have lots of experience in this area. So if somebody wants to get started in 3D printing, you know, what do they need? Do they need a certain kind of computer setup? You know, what's what's kind of the basis of this? Well, for a computer setup, a lot of times it used to be you needed a somewhat powerful system to run the programs that would do CAD-based engineering way back in the day. Now, though, it's really great. You have things that are web-based. And so Chromebooks, even like the Chromebooks that schools provide to students, home desktop machines, laptops, iPads, iPhones, Android devices. All of those are now able to run the applications that allow you to create and mold and make all sorts of really cool 3D models. So, all right, you mentioned CAD software. A lot of people go, yeah, no, I didn't take, you know, that architectural dry in and in college. So does that help to have a basic understanding of that? Or is this just plug and play like it didn't used to be? It helps to always have a more in-depth understanding of the things that you're using. You don't have to know the history of hammers to use a hammer, but if you're going to be building a house, there's different types of fasteners that that hammer can hit in order to secure wood and metal beams together. I don't think CAD, it used to be that daunting sort of thing that a lot of people would do and just kind of hover over keyboard for hours. I mean, there's still people that do that. But if you can imagine drawing a line in two directions and then connecting them and then taking that square circle or shape that you've made and think about extruding it into 3D space, that's CAD at that point. You've made 3D geometry. And so being able to not just make it to lower the bar for access to these tools, but to make it so that these tools run on the devices that are ubiquitous within the population. Then you have the barrier to entries lower and you have a lot more people learning about the concepts of making these 3D geometries that might have been too complex before. All right. So let's say you say, okay, I thought this is going to be harder. I'm ready to jump in. Does it matter what the project is that you want to achieve? Is that going to determine the model or type of 3D printer that you end up buying? Or are they generally kind of like a net printer where you pick the brand you like and you buy some ink? Let's say you're starting out and you've got nothing. You're like, you know what? I've seen Joel. I've seen others talk about 3D printing. I'm interested. How do I get started? It's a great way to think about it because a lot of times necessity drives the need. There's a lot of people that get started with 3D printing because perhaps they're doing D&D miniatures or they are role-playing games where they have miniatures. They want to be able to make those in real life. Or there are projects around the house that need the advantages that 3D printing has, jigs and fixtures and little things to kind of help with day to day life. Once you've identified another need, it's just because it's really cool. I'm not going to lie to you. It's just really cool. If you can't define your need, then being able to pick out a machine and a material to use really is just part of the next process. It's more simple to get into additive manufacturing 3D printing now than it ever has been before. I mentioned likening this to buying ink for an inkjet printer. Filaments is the material that 3D printers use, but they're not all the same. How do you know what kind of filament you need? If you're looking at the instructions for a project, it'll tell you or you just kind of play around and see what works best. You can actually have, we have what's called a BOM or bill of materials, and a lot of times it'll list out models that need to be printed in order to create the project. And it'll tell you not just the materials to use, but the settings for the printer to make it the best. I think getting into this, you start with a really simple material for 3D printing is called PLA. It's a corn-based and it melts at one of the lower temperatures. It comes in lots of pretty colors, and it's one of the easiest materials to print with. But I would imagine if you had a specific use in mind, then you would go researching the right material for the job because all sorts of materials have different temperatures that they melt at. They have different mechanical properties as far as stretching or rigidity or being able to withstand certain limits. It's one of those things, and I liken it to being able to utilize a tool for something else. If you're going to build something, you're going to do some research into the right materials of how you're going to build it. It's exactly the same with the filaments for 3D printing. If you're just doing some decorative things, there's a good chance that PLA is going to work for you. If it's going to exist outside and it's really sunny where you're at, there's a filament called ASA, which has some UV resistance. If it has to withstand really high temperatures, perhaps you go with something called ABS. It's the same material that LEGO is made from. Perhaps you have to think about a material that has to replace a metal part in an industry. You can look at materials like Peek, Peck, or Ultim, and those materials are on the industrial side, but those can actually be the geometries that you can print with these materials can actually sometimes replace metals. Wow. So let's say I'm thinking of projects around my house. I actually have a tellrack that broke recently. It's made of wood. It was a stupid tellrack to begin with, but I don't even know how to replace this thing. Is that too ambitious for a first project? Do people do things like print tellracks? Or should I start with something that's just like make something that looks like a LEGO? Mara, this is perfect. This is absolutely... I'm not kidding. This is perfect because you have a use in mind, a tellrack. Essentially, if you think about it, you're like, okay, take it apart into its components. A rack has a holder over here and a holder over here, and there's a bar in the middle. And most likely, then, if you're going to use 3D printing, that bar in the middle probably not something that needs to be 3D printed because you can get a wooden dowel or a metal rod or maybe the tellrack, or maybe the sides where wood and this wasn't or something. I don't know. Being able to have something with a lot of structural rigidity over that length and it's a towel, you could find a way like a wooden dowel or something. But the things that hold it on the end, that's perfect for 3D printing because in your head, you know it's there and you kind of will probably have a general idea of what you want. And if you could on paper, you could start to sketch some things just to kind of how it would look. And then you go to a 3D program such as Tinkercad, which is web-based and it's essentially shape math. You can take a cube and add a sphere to it and then subtract that sphere from the cube and you're left with this 3D geometry. So now, using that sort of thinking, you can go build yourself the tellrack ends and then you can print them out. And then you can try it out. And if it doesn't work or if it doesn't look exactly like what you're thinking, the great part about this 3D printing is you've probably only used pennies worth of material. And you can go through Tinkercad and adjust your design little bits here and there and then print it out again and try it again. That's amazing. Well, before we wrap up this very interesting conversation that has me thinking all sorts of stuff. Where's my 3D printer going to go in the studio? So explain something called 87 days of 3D printing with Neil Patrick Harris. That was fun. So a couple of years ago Neil tweeted out that he wanted to get back into 3D printing and he asked for people's advice and tagged a few manufacturers and hundreds of people replied saying you should just talk to Joel. And at the time, my producer knew someone who knew someone who knew his assistant. And so taking that information and sending it up the chain saying, hey, maybe we should work together. A lot of people are suggesting this. It didn't go anywhere at the time. It was about a year later. And then all of a sudden we got contacted because that person I think left and there was a new person. And then my producer said, hey, let's get started with this. And we worked out a live stream. So Neil and I streamed live on YouTube for about two hours where he got a certain 3D printer and he set it up and he did his first print. It went really well. He was really excited. And so we started thinking about a project that we could do. And I had these machines that could print really long parts. And so the project was to create these, these old frames, like if you imagine old picture frames found in an attic that are gold and dusty and worn. So we, I had some friends who are really good at design design this frame. And then I fired off a bunch of 3D printers that I had in my studio for just weeks on end 3D printing all the parts. And then we, I shipped it all via UPS to Neil next day. I actually never mentioned this, but it was $1,800 to ship all of these parts to Neil on the other side of the States because I'm here in Seattle. I shipped them out to New York. And I went to UPS at 4pm. They were on his doorstop the next day at 9am. It was crazy. But he and his husband, his kids got the parts, put them all together, painted them up. And then I and my team flew out there to kind of do some of the final work and show them off. And it was, it was a bunch of fun. It was an amazing experience. Absolutely amazing. Well, Joel, this so much great information that you've given us. And for anybody who's taking notes at home, we will have a lot of links that are helpful for everything that Joel mentioned in our show notes. But, but we really appreciate you being on the show. So much fun. Again, thank you. Such good info. Let folks know where they can keep up with everything that you do so they don't miss another cool project. Sure. If you go to YouTube and look up 3D printing nerd, that's me. You can actually go to YouTube.com forward slash 3D printing nerd. That'll get you right where you need to go. Also, I'm very active on Twitter. I'm at Joel telling pretty easy. If you just go look up either Joel telling or 3D printing nerd on most social media networks, you'll find me. And I'd love to hear from you. Great. Well, thank you so much again for being with us, Joel. Thank you. Also, thanks to our brand new bosses. We've got two of them today, Alexander and Benjamin just started backing us on Patreon. We thank you both. Thank you, Alexander. Thank you, Benjamin. You could be the Alexander and Benjamin of tomorrow, folks. Just go to patreon.com slash DTS. There's a longer version of the show called Good Day Internet. We started right after DTS wraps up available at patreon.com slash DTS. Just a reminder, if you've got thoughts, you got questions, you can email us feedback at Daily Tech News Show. Also reminder, we're live. Monday through Friday at 4 p.m. Eastern, 2100 UTC. Find out more at DailyTechNewsShow.com slash live. We're back doing it all again tomorrow with Justin Roby to talk about building a PC. Talk to you then. 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