 Like I said too early, you become a feeding trough for whoever's luching off you, you know, whatever they're called, demons, microbes. Well, all the doors to get in are on the other side, because it's not the Great Wall of China, it's the Great Wall of Tartaria. So you've got free masonry to put people in. So there's a lot of talk, that's where the word comes from, free masons. But we're at a time where people are starting to question things. Rog, how are you dear sir? Not so bad friend, not so bad. How about yourself Chris? Yes mate, it's been too long, it's been too long. I should probably explain for our friends at home that we met through the wonderful Jimmy James Harris Rest in Peace. Jimmy had appeared on Sean Atwood's podcast and made quite a big, big hit. Jim had spent a few years in prison and he for some sort of minor, minor, minor hijinks, can we say, and it kind of transpired that he was an intellectual savant, savant, savant. A very, very, very clever man, had an incredible podcast and just as I was getting to know Jimmy, his life took a bit of a downturn and then the next thing we knew he'd taken his own life, Rog. Sadly. Yes, looking to the positive, we all met on a night out, didn't we, and it was an incredible night. It was good fun. Yeah. It always was around Jimmy's place, you know, it was, you're going to get some extra, you know, and I didn't know I was going to meet you. You were my extra that night. Hey, pleased to help. Yes, I remember we had a bit of a night out, didn't we, and we were chatting a lot and it transpired that our sort of understanding of the planet or the universe was similar, although I'll be the first to say you probably got a lot more, a lot more knowledge than me. Oh, I don't know, because no one knows what knowledge anyone else has got. I do know a hell of a lot, but it's that cliched old thing. The more you know, you realise, I absolutely don't know for fuck's sake, really. I really don't. And that is a place we want to get to, though, isn't it? Yeah. I've always, I've always tried to look at, there's a brilliant, there's a brilliant phrase. I don't know if it's old English, but it's a really hard word to go and find out. You can, you can find it on the internet, but it's called, the word is called Qua Qua Versal. So it's Qua, Qua, V-E-R-S-A-L, Qua Qua Versal. And it means, it means looking in all directions at once. So you're looking at 360 degrees at once. And the opposite word to that is Centroclinical, which is, which is, you've got blinkers on. You just, you're just looking that way, you know. And people come to you and say, oh yeah, I'm really proud of myself. I've got a degree. I've got, I've got one degree from university. And I say, you got one degree of, yeah? Oh, good on you. Well done. Well done. You know, because there's, I always say, there's 360 degrees in a circle, you know, just saying. So I try and look at everything. You know, there's a few things I don't look at. Like classical music, I've just got absolutely no interest in it or ballet. Yeah. Well, not all classical, it's some classical music, which is all right. And sport, you know, when I used to play sport, I loved it. I loved all sports. When I could run around and kick a ball and the minute, minute injuries sort of stopped me from doing any of that. My interest in all the football rugby, Olympics just went out the window, just weren't interested anymore, you know. And then, and then you find out all the shenanigans with all these, all these organized sports as well, you know, anything organized, organized religions and organized sports. You got to keep an eye on them. Mate, you said it and those two words you described sounds like being in the matrix and being out the matrix. Yeah, yeah. Because they want you sent to a clinical. They want you to have your little degree because you'll be bragging about that for the rest of your life. Oh, I've got a degree. Yeah, well done. Crack on, you know, I've got a square satanic thing on my head, you know, they make you wear. You got a black square on your head. Yeah. Yeah. There's a reason why they put that on your head because you've got one degree of knowledge and you've been compartmentalised and we've got you where we want you, you know. Maybe, maybe you're that enthusiastic, you might do another degree, you know, still just two. Or you might get a master degree, you'll know a little bit extra on the one degree that you have got. Well done. Give me a dustbin man who's looked at everything. Give me a hospital poor anyone, you know, who's looked at everything, you know. So I'm very wary around people who have got degrees because usually they haven't got much to say about anything. Although, well, they have. They've got a lot to say about stuff that they have no idea what they're talking about, you know. Anyway, anyway, I'll shut up about those people. Well done for you. All of you got a degree. Well done. Thank you. No, it's a great, Roger's a great point because, um, oh my God, you have to come quite a certain way and have an interest in understanding this stuff to see how much the education system has been infiltrated. Good Lord. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They always say follow the money, don't they? And the education system goes way back to the Rockefellers back in the, I think, 20s, 30s, something like that. But they wrote the blueprint for the education we've got now back in those days. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just to give our friends at home an example, anyone that knows me will know the, you know, one of the biggest things in my life. The first thing I teach people in life coaching is understand your body's pH balance, you know, that we're a living organism. This is so crucial. And yet you ask any doctor, nurse, social worker, youth worker, that was what my degree was in was in youth. But you asked them about that and you're just going to be met with a blank stare at what are you talking about. And yet something that is so essential to understanding our existence as whatever we are, primates, human beings has been conveniently, you know, sidelined in the old education. And if that's been sidelined, the thing that stops us getting ill, what the hell else, you know, what the hell else has, hey? Yeah. Yeah. Well, we know the big farmer is healthy people is you don't make money out of that. So you've got to keep everyone, you know, extremely unhealthy. And then they get and over fist money. It's as simple as that. And it's just money making. But also Lucian, you know, getting the leash off people because because if you're real, you're not happy most of the time. So yeah, Lucian is a concept that's just coming or it's certainly a word that's just coming into public knowledge or for those that seek knowledge. And it's this concept of harvesting any energy from people, isn't it? Something we can't see is benefiting from our misfortune and our depression and our worry and anything to do with fear. So you've got you've got fear and love, haven't you? It's never love and hate because hate is just an attribute of fear. So I always say it's love and fear. And so you've got to try and live your life in love and try and avoid fear because then they lose that. And like I said to you earlier, you become a feeding trough for whoever's Lucian off you, you know, whatever they're called demons, microbes, whatever they're called. And it makes sense that these things do exist in this area we can't see just in another dimension. There's plenty of people who can see them, you know, there's plenty of people who come out of the woodwork and say, yeah, I see these things all the time, you know, around, you know, we all we've all got the ability apparently. But I certainly haven't got any of that sort of psychic ability whatsoever. Well, taking it to a simpler level, if you look at the spiritual journey or the spiritual state rather love is the highest form of vibration and frequency. Exactly. Yeah. And if you look at the works of like Tesla and Einstein, etc. They said if you want to understand life, you've got to understand energy, vibration and frequency. Yeah. Let's go back a bit to the beginning, Rog. And can I just say you've got the like the best backdrop of anyone we've ever had on the podcast. I thought I thought it was a photograph, folks. Um, but it's only there because because years ago I, I, I've always wanted oak floors in my house and and I, my Tracy, my wife, she, she left me to do the ordering of the oak. And so I measured up and I ordered the oak and when I laid all the floors, there was there was still piles and piles and piles of planks in the garden. Oh, shit. I've ordered too much. I've ordered too much too many planks, you know, of oak. And so what do I do with it? So it's like a build a bookshelf and in fact the whole house is in boards, everything. And that's a hand saw the tongue and groove of every bloody plank wood. That weren't very nice. Rog, let's just go back a bit because we were at a seminal time in life. Just, I just give a silly example, but the king's coronation clearly didn't get the numbers that in the old, you know, it doesn't look like the empire everyone and you saw people cancelling street parties cancelling get together because because there wasn't the interest, not, not, I mean, not just in this particular king and let's say they've got some fairly dubious connections, haven't they? You know, if I say now, then, now, then, owls, owls about that then. You know, this, there's a lot of stuff that that really hasn't been explained. Yeah. But we're at a time where people are starting to question things. I think you're right, Chris. I think there's a hell of a lot more people who are, you know, like you said, questioning this, that and the other about them. You know, what's his brother Andrew, you know, he's his mother paid him paid off for him to be paid someone who's accusing of something millions. You think, well, didn't she just buy, you know, buy off the law, you know, buy, buy, buy law. He should be going to court and but someone with so much money is just bought someone's freedom, you know, and that's to me, that's just blazing the obvious and so many people don't really see it. But going back to what you said, it is so many people are seeing it. I just felt any buzz about the coronation around where I live. You know, even even in the community club that I go to, they put some bunting up just to put some bunting up. And most of the people were saying, what are you doing that for, you know, well, I sound like a old rubbish, you know, that was the majority view of the bunting going up. And it was just a backwards and forth. Oh, don't be so miserable, you know, but there was no, there's no this lovely community coming together and all the king, the king, none of that, none of that at all. I'll come back to what I was going to ask you. But just as an aside on that matter, you know, people can live their lives how how they want. I wouldn't judge anyone. Exactly. Yeah. But what I would say is, you know, if you do want the spiritual pathway friends, you do have a conundrum there. You know, if you give your power out to, for example, an established family because they were born into, you know, this row and I'm not not here to criticize not at all. You can't then say, yeah, but I also want to be spiritually enlightened because the enlightenment aspect means understanding the concept that we are all one that we're the universe manifested to experience itself. Yeah. And in and by giving your power away to another entity by we are not worthy, we are not worthy. And that's fine. I get it. You know, I completely got me. I grew up in England. I grew up in Britain. I'm just chucking that in for those people that are starting to make the connections, Rod, you know. But what I wanted to ask you was what awakened you? What? Because I think I think we're born free. We're born enlightened. You see kids playing. They're living in the moment, aren't they? They're in pure beauty. All they care about is like, you know, they're playing in the sandbox. Pass me that toy to dirty and you have to go. Oi, Tyler. Come on. It's time for your tea now. And they're like and they're literally physically shook out of it because they've been so much in in what's now referred to as presence in meditation. They call it mindfulness, don't they that that that beautiful natural state of human being where so long as there's not a predator coming to eat you, you live in, you know, you're hunting, you're gathering, da, da, da, da, da. Bear in mind that that beautiful state doesn't last. We get put into school where the where the indoctrination starts and when the fear starts that you're not good enough. You're not as good as that guy on that table. I mean, literally one of my schools, we were positioned in the class in relation to how smart we were on the old 11 plus exam. Brilliant. So everybody knew that that poor chap over there on table one position one was the quote unquote thickest guy in the class. And this guy up here who's on the top, he's the quote unquote smart. I've never heard of that one. Whoa, how cruel is that? Well, there was a lot of cruel stuff that went on during during the 70s and the like there was a lot of sort of bigoted ideas and a lot of abuse that was just accepted as normal. In the 70s, I was in a village and we all the kids would just go out into the fields and play, you know, and run around and in a little gang, you know, all different ages just running around. And our parents would always always say beware of Alan. And there's this there's this bloke who lived in the village and he would he would go go around the countryside and and well, flash or take all his all his clothes off and run around the fields naked. I'll tell you another one. This this this reminds me of what my granddad told me he was he was he was on the he was on he used to stoke the fires on the on the locomotives during the war. So he was never he wasn't allowed to go into it. He couldn't be called up because he had an important job. And and he said he's like like a lot of them in those days, it was, you know, dig for victory, wouldn't it? So they will have their little allotments and what have you. And he said some was nicking our peas on our allotment. And so so him and a few other fellows would kept out in the shed keeping an eye on their allotment patch to see who this sod was who was who was nicking their stuff. And he said and we got him. He came in and he was he started picking the peas off, you know, off the off the plant and we we opened up the shed and we dived on him. And we frog marched him to the cop shop, you know, and got him sorted out, you know, he's a wrong and and he said, he said, yeah, we knew who he was. He had six daughters and and he used to are Andrew. He used to have sex with them all. He wasn't a very nice man. He used to have sex with all his daughters. And I said to him, well, why didn't you frog march him off to the cop shop for for what he's doing to his daughters? He said none of our business what he does with his own children. None of our business. But he was nicking our peas. It really was weird back then. It was more of a shame. Yeah. But like the to be exposed in public. Then it was what you were bloody doing, you know. Yeah. Which is why wives at the time would just they knew what was going on. But oh, sure. The shame of of being found out meant that they they kept it going on the kids rather than expose for sure. Yeah. The adults. But going back to my original question, Roger, what what woke you up then? What how? How did you start to see through this complex matrix of lies and twisted media and narratives? I think I think from a very young age, I never fitted in anywhere as a kid. I'd see other lads running around the playground, what have you. And and it always seemed to be they knew how to be a lad. They knew how to kick a ball. They knew they knew stuff. They knew how to do this. They knew how to do that. And and I didn't. So I was always always observed. Yeah. And and for I think I've got the handle of that. Yeah. I go and play football. Yeah. Yeah. I got it. I got it. You know, it didn't nothing came naturally to me. So I had to observe it. And then and then I could I could quite easily get me head around it and sort it out. So so I was always a little bit on the on the sidelines looking in, you know, waiting for my my entrance into once I once I've sussed it all out. Yeah. I know what. Yeah. In that situation you do this. Okay. I get it. And and growing up through school, I just I just how do you know what you're telling me is true? I've always having these questions, you know, but I was I was I was never I was never one of these again. Why sir? Why sir? You know, I just wanted to keep me head down, you know, because after time, I didn't understand what they were saying anyway. Well, how would you know that person did that? And it was it was it was questioning, you know. And again, I I got no qualifications, but I've I've I've taught in a I've taught degree at a university. So I used to be a university lecturer. I've got no qualifications, but they got me in because I sort of knew what I was doing. I don't think that happens now is no way you can go to a university without a qualification. But so I was always a bit questioning, but but I was always up for fun and and and and what have you. And it was it was I was always buying little books on on the Holy Bird and the Holy Gray or stuff like that, those little books, you know, the bloodline of Jesus and all this sort of business. So I used to read those quite a lot and things similar. Always had an interest in in in UFOs and what have you didn't believe in any of it. Just just had an open mind basically had an open mind to everything, you know. And I'd be the first to take the piss out of anyone who reckon they saw a ghost or a UFO. I just joined in did all that. But I always thought, well, maybe they did. And then then then years later still reading all these odd little books and what have you and going to lectures and having no idea. Well, it was then that we knew that the the organization of Big Pharma was how would we say not as everyone thinks it is. It's it's it's not playing ball as you would imagine it would do and and we thought Christ, you know, that is a big organization worldwide. And it's not as you think it is. And then it's a few years later we watched we watched a documentary series called Zeitgeist. Both me and Tracy, my wife, we watched that and we watched the first episode and it was like a smack in the face of, oh Christ, everything is like that Big Pharma. It's not how you think it is. Everything, everything, every possible, every military political, every, every corporation, everything in the world, every organization, every religion is not what it seems. It's not how I've been told. It's, you know, it's, it's, it's, and it was like a smack in the face. And that was about 2012, that was 2012. So it's a big sort of smack. It was before then it was if you imagine a lake and there's a footpath around the lake. So we were constantly sort of walking around the lake looking in, you know, but not actually diving in or the nice birds on the lake and what have you and they fly away and so forth. And then on this one moment, we just dive in the lake and that's what it was. That was our, that was our 2012. That was the trigger, these Zeitgeist documentaries that triggered us. Oh Christ, you know, nothing, nothing in this world is as it seems. And yeah, so that was, that was the point and from then we devoured every, every subject we researched, every subject we get our teeth into and going back to Jimmy, it was a few years back and I went round his flat and he said, Rog, you heard of tartaria and I said, I've never heard of that term. I've heard of tartar sauce and tartars, you know, what have you, but not tartaria. I said, what's all that? He said, mate, you're gonna shit your pants. He said, we both thought we'd look to everything, you know, even a cursory look, there was nothing we'd not, because me and Jimmy, we talked endlessly about all the, or have you researched this? Yeah, yeah, I have. No, I haven't done that one, you know, and then you go off and do it. And between us, the level of stuff that we'd looked at was immense. And he just picked me up one day and said, no tartar in a Welsh accent, which I'm not gonna do. He just said, no tartaria is gonna blow your mind. You're gonna piss yourself, you know. And then he spent an hour just telling me about stuff. I was going, what the, no way, no, no. And of course that just set me off, because I never just take anything from anybody, because I like to do my own research. And so that just set me off for months. And the whole concept of the tartarian thing is so deep and so complex and so, I mean, it touches on so many subjects. It was like, whoa, how did, how did I miss this one? But Rod, you're gonna have to give us an insight, because it's even something I'm familiar with. Does it go back to the ancient bloodlines? It might do. But the main thing about tartaria, you've got a map behind your head where it says Russia. Yeah. All that would be tartaria. That's it. Okay. The bits, USA, Brazil, that'll be tartaria, Australia, tartaria, Britain, Europe, tartaria. It was the biggest empire on the planet. And it's been completely eradicated from our history. Yet there is so much absolute hard evidence to say existed. Even just going back to old maps, just going back a couple of hundred years ago, tartaria is over all the maps. They've got their flag, everything. And tartaria was supposed to be this beautiful empire where the four races, your blacks, your whites, your reds, and your yellows all happily live together everywhere, all over Africa. You had white people, black people, yellow people, all over Africa. And you had these tartarian buildings that they call Greco-Roman now. There's no evidence that the Greeks or the Romans ever built any of these buildings. There's no real evidence. But these buildings are everywhere. They're in Hawaii. They're in Japan. They're in London. They're in Australia. Before the convicts went there, there were massive big cities of these gorgeous buildings that we all know and see. And it's funny because once you get a handle on learning this stuff, then you go to your own town or your own village and you see tartarian buildings and think, the empire was here. It was in my country. It was in Australia. It was in South America. It was in the USA. And everything we've been told, like the USA, cowboys and Indians, all shit is rubbish. It's made up. There's no evidence for it. More cowboys and Indians have been shot on films than ever happened in America. And they don't tell you about the white race you lived in America when the founding fathers came, or Columbus, whoever it was, discovered America. If you think of Budapest, the beautiful buildings in Budapest, there's buildings all over America, all over South America, of that ilk, the same buildings, like the town hall. And they say, oh, they were all built in the Victorian times. But there's been so many researchers around the world who have looked into the history of Victorian times. They say, well, where's the quarries? Where did they get this stone from? There was no quarries in those days. To build all these great big buildings, you need big quarries. And there weren't any running of that ilk in those days, you know. Another example, the Great Wall of China. Well, all the doors open the other side. So if you want to get into the wall, into the inside it and get onto the ramparts, what have you? Well, all the doors to get in are on the other side, not the Great Wall of China. It's the Great Wall of Tartaria. And it's not that old because on the old maps, the big old wall of China or Tartaria, whatever you want, isn't on it. And you see the old maps, Rome hasn't got a big city status. It's just like a little town. You think, whoa, hang on a minute. I thought Rome was this big thing. And then you find out the Dark Ages, that first thousand years after Christ, that first thousand years didn't exist. They just made it up. And so when I was born, 1965 ought to be 965 because they've added a thousand years on. And then you go to the old churches and you see that one isn't actually a one. It's a J or an I which is J for Jesus. It's another word for Jesus. So it's I when I was born, 965. But if you go into old churches you'll see that's not a number one. It's either a J or an I and they've just made up a thousand years of bullshit. And then the more you look into this and you think, well, hang on a minute. So maybe the Battle of Hastings never happened and you look into that and they don't know where it happened. There's multiple evidence of any Battle of Hastings. And then you think, well, then maybe we weren't overrun by the Normans then. Maybe it was the other way round. And usually a lot of the things you find are the other way round. The French language probably comes from the English language, not the other way round. Not because we are supposedly being invaded by the Normans that brought the French language in. Well, possibly it's the other way round because in these days you are tartaria and people flew around on airships all over the shop and used the top of churches and cathedrals as stopping points. So you'd stop off at the top of a cathedral or rampart and it was like an airship station. We'd come and down and then you'd catch the airship and go off somewhere else by climbing up. And you find out that churches and cathedrals were not places of worship. They were machines. They were devices to harness free energy. And in the stonework you've got all these rods that are built into the stonework and all the shapes of the windows. All these simatic shapes and patterns and symmetry that supposedly send out good energy to the local areas. Because have you ever noticed when you go and you see a really lovely built church in the middle of nowhere? There's no big village around it or maybe just a few houses but they've got a bloody church there. Well there's not enough people to go there to go and worship because they were not places of worship. They were places of people who would go there to build up their organ energy. Hence you're playing an organ for the sound frequency and you feel good. And then those frequency waves would go into the land and make the crops grow well. But the people who destroyed the tartarians brought in religions because before religions everyone was spiritual. So it was you and God. And so you might have had an Islamic tradition of that or a Christian tradition of that. And often these church old drawings of these churches you'd have the crescent thingy of the Muslim crescent, the Islamic crescent alongside the cross symbolizing the Christian one. And it was all chapters of the same book. It was all spiritual chapters of the same book. But the parasite that came in and destroyed the tartarians and made the world like it is now had to divide everybody up and have everyone at each other's throats because of the Lucian. You've got some people to feed up here. So we can't have this lovely utopian world of tartaria where there was no one killing anyone and everyone lived happily together living in beautiful buildings. There's even talk that in tartaria perhaps people didn't eat so much as well because in these great big buildings there's no toilets or plumbing. And so there's a lot of supposition that maybe the tartarians didn't eat so much. Maybe they just lived on the free energy the air around and they got all their sustenance that way and maybe picked a few fruit every now and again. So tartaria takes you into whole sorts of subjects like mud floods. Why are some buildings cut off underground and if you do digging up under the ground that building carries on. So what happened there? And so there's this theory of these resets, these mud floods would come in flooding up all over the shop and burying everything and killing a lot of people and then you reset and the old photographs of empty cities all around the world Moscow Paris and what have you big empty cities weirdly with these old photographs from over 150 years ago but it's got HD quality to it. So when they're on the screen you can zoom in and have a trip around these empty cities and you think well the photography in the 70s was shite so how come 150 years ago you've got high definition photography obviously from someone up in a balloon you know taking these photographs and that's why you've got the zeppelin was to be brought down and set on fire because oh no you can't go travelling balloons because they're dangerous so we'll fill this one with whatever, is it hydrogen that's flammable? Hydrogen or helium was it helium? Some of this burns and so we fill it with that instead and then we burn the bastard down it'll make headline news all around the world and off you go we've got our thing so Tartaria sends you into so many different... so when you've got these empty cities you've got all these beautiful buildings, fantastic buildings, you know we're hand machinery that you plug in, was only brought into the world in 1958 machine tools how did they build those buildings I've spoken to builders and said how'd you go around doing that and they always say absolutely no idea mate we couldn't build that sort of stuff now but you'd have to have to get all that carving and stuff you'd have hand tools, there's no way someone's chipping away at that stuff they said they're moulds or there's no way a stone mason would chip out all those carvings for like 50 years and if you fuck up you'd have to start again and if you've ever done any carving Chris you know that oh shit I've just bashed it a bit too hard there so how come you get all these beautiful carvings that are immaculate especially out of marble and so there's so much oh yeah so going back to the empty cities so what you've got is masonry and it's free to reset you can put your people in it now so you've got free masonry to put people in so there's a lot of talk that's where the word comes from free masons because it's not that they were all chippy guys it's because they destroyed everyone in these big cities and then they reset them by bringing in new people, their people and so that was free masonry now we've got to fill it we've got rid of everyone, we've killed them somehow we've kept the children so then you look into all the orphan trains and all the orphan ships that took English people to America, American people to England and everyone was swapped around loads of kids found off to Australia and so forth swap everyone around then bring in the education system and tell them a bullshit history that never happened but that's what you're growing up with and you're too young to remember your mum and dad and so hence you've got the Victorian times how come all the kids were in the factories in Oliver Twist and all there's all the kids doing the work because there was no bloody adults because they killed them all they reset, they got rid of the adults and reset and some people say well that's what we're going through now possibly there's going to be a reset and all the big wigs they're all constantly talking about this is the big reset but the reset in the past for these things you just cull swaves of adults and you swap all the kids about and off you go you start again and you give them a false history and I'm just touching on a little bit of tartare I'm just trying to fling it at you from lots of different angles but there's so much to researching it well the two things that come to my mind there one is obviously the theory that the great pyramids were conductors for energy which is completely hidden from the historic narrative along with the timeline you look at the Sphinx and if you go on the water levels the erosion from the water it's allegedly clearly a lot older than the 4,000 years that we've been told or the 10,000 and then also I've travelled quite a lot in the Americas and you have these magnificent structures and and no one knows how they were built exactly no one knows exactly we know they're there and we've been told going back to the Giza pyramid we've been told oh yeah there's loads of slaves and you're thinking hang on a minute how do you feed all these buggers and building these big big things to get if you just sit down even for five minutes there's no way a big bunch of slaves even if you had twice as many as they say they had and this is going back in the years when there's not many people on the planet so we're told so where do they get all these slaves from and who's feeding them, who's farming to give them the food absolutely none of that makes any sense whatsoever and engineers all over the world say that we couldn't build that pyramid now all the technology we got there's no way we haven't got the skills to build that pyramid now we haven't got the machinery, we haven't got the cranes we haven't got the manpower, we haven't got the first idea of all the how would you make all the corridors and god knows what else inside and having it lying up with stars it's impossible to do just like all the controlled demolition guys say well those twin towers nothing crashed into them and brought them down that was controlled demolition and that's right across the board they all say this but it won't get into the papers, it won't get into the news so they can say what they want, we can say what we want it's not going to get to the masses they don't care what we say because it ain't going to get out there it's not on the BBC news it's not on there and so that's what you've got you've got pyramids in China you've got pyramids under the water in the Major Triangle and then in the Crimea pyramids everywhere who's made them, I have no idea and they line up with each other this is the fascinating thing are they energy points of the planet just like you get energy points with acupuncture around your body are they points of who knows what I like is like Jimmy's podcast everything on the table to me obvious education should be we'll put everything on the table here's what certain scientists and official universities say about something here's what other scientists say about something here's what researchers say about something make your own mind up because you'll have conflicting stuff it should be all on the table for someone to make their own mind up with but we're not, we're just sold this is how it is like the theory of evolution it's in the title, it's a theory so we're taught that at school but it's not a fact, it's a theory and it's an unproven theory there's absolutely no proof of it but we're taught it as fact I call it theory tales they just tell us a lot of theory tales and make us think of it as fact the whole thing which is a line I've put in my book that's a line I've got in my book I've got quite like that one it is I like hard scientific facts and you can get to them because you can do repeatable experiments anything else outside of that is a theory so it's like a theory is basically guesswork might be educated guesswork but it is guesswork at the end of the day because it's not a hard scientific fact so Chris I like hard scientific facts anything outside of that so then it's questionable if it's a theory it's questionable yeah even the theory of evolution which I get I say from visiting South America again I've never been to Galapagos but when you're in that region Ecuador you read up a lot on things like Darwin he was right on two things you've got the two things this is where I said earlier I can't remember adaptation is one of them variation adaptation and variation so you'll get a bird in one sort of area and it'll eat something and if he's over the other side of somewhere else he might have to grow along the beak so he's adapted or variation but the evolution theory is based on species turned into another species and there's not one piece of evidence even Darwin said it on his deathbed there's not one piece of evidence anywhere on the planet where a species turned into another species there's nothing in the fossil record everything just came fully formed there was yes you've got adaptation or variation on the horse where you had little horses and over the years they grew big you know all spiders were big they grew little for whatever reason they adapted or there's variation but a spider didn't turn into a horse you know a species did not turn into another species there's no evidence anywhere to say that that happened so that is just a theory and not a very good one because there's no evidence for it but there is evidence that plants and animals have just dropped in nowhere fully formed because there is not none of that species to species build up of anything and that's hard scientific facts and say well hang on a minute then something else is going on here but it's not evolution it seems like intelligent design yes yes I'm sort of vaguely relatively familiar with all the different arguments the one thing I would say is when you hear people like I never get this chap's name right is it Nuval Harari the guy that wrote sapiens he's a I'm only vaguely aware of his name I don't know yeah he's a speaker for the world economic forum right well enough said there it's when they want you to believe that we we came out the African bow 80,000 years ago and it's it's got to be nonsense well there's another thing you know if there is evolution it would be so infinitesimal if that's right you know incremental it would be over such a slow period of time exactly we're talking millions upon millions of years not 80,000 years that we came out of Africa see this is another thing where do they get these numbers from they are literally picked out of the air these numbers I live near Avery and it says when you go to Avery that this is 28,000 years old and you immediately think well how do you know that and their thing is oh you're carbon dating because they found some remnants of some rabbit or something under one of the stones and you think well hang on a minute how do you know the stones were built at the same time that remnants of a bit of rabbit you found you know a bit of carbon dating how did you know the stones were put up at the same time as that rabbit or whatever it was they found so that's your first question and then the second question is how does carbon dating work and it works rubbish because if you if you gave the same thing you found you dug up from archaeology and you say it's a 10 carbon dating different companies you'd get back literally 20,000 years of differences because it doesn't there is no such thing as carbon dating it's a falls dating thing in fact in the world you cannot date anything you cannot date stone wood even the wood rings if the tree is in another part of a different area the rings grow differently as well so you can't even use rings there's like oh how many rings is how old the tree is it's too easy it's not like that you plant one tree over there and plant one tree over there wait 50 odd years you can have different set of ring things so even that's not comprehensive so carbon dating which is what everyone uses but the carbon dating companies they always ask the archaeologists how old do they think it is and weirdly when they get the results back it's within a few years of what the archaeologists wanted them to say and said that's how it works and so it's a massive big corrupt thing carbon dating so when we realise that carbon dating is utter bullshit then we realise that every single thing that they've told us about how old some it is is purely just a figure they've picked out of the sky there is no hard evidence of anything being as old as any apart from the last 100 years that Grandad died such and such a time there's a few gravestones that's about as best you're going to get because you can't date stone you can't date anything so the ivory stones they could be younger than 28,000 years ago they could be millions of years old they might have been smooth utterly smooth things but over the years we just don't know we don't know how old anything is and so I always get suspicious when these experts and these archaeologists this is 8,000 years old or this was the such and such 58 million per scene age it really is made up shit again we should point out just to add some sort of context to this that modern day professionals have all come through the university system precisely what do we know there, we know that A they think they're Billy big bollocks because they've got a bit of A bar and as we've ascertained it doesn't really mean a lot just means you're able to read information and then repeat it a lot of it is about remembering what you've read and passing it back again that system of indoctrination is so powerful that something simple like your body's pH balance which I'm a thick ex marine I'm having to enlighten people I've worked it out you know and then it doesn't become such a stretch, Rog to think that everything has a massive lie you know it's not something I'm going to lose sleep over again it's something that you can have a grin you buggers that's another one you know volcanoes there's a theory that volcanoes might be the slag heaps from ancient mining from maybe off world or interdimensional beings I'm not saying it is but these are possibilities we know slag heaps warm up inside and then burst every now and again so who's to say the volcanoes aren't slag heaps it's just it's just people having one guess work on something and that's what you've got to believe in whereas why don't we have the theory that it's a slag heap why don't we have the theory that it is a pimple on the planet it's going to burst every now and again let's have everything on the table and let people make up their own minds treat people with a bit of respect and get them to take responsibility for their own knowledge work it out themselves rather than just someone in authority has told me so that's what I'm going to believe because that's what creates division all around the world you know that and the fact that our youth of today God bless them are preoccupied in one minute shorts on YouTube and Facebook and you know endlessly scrolling to see oh look there's a dog riding on a pig oh look there's a beautiful girl diving into a beautiful lake I'd like to do that you know there's no context behind that the girls chronically depressed that the lake's actually next to a concrete factory but um roge I'm conscious of our time here brother and I want to first off congratulate you on being an author thank you it's always nice to be in the company of a fellow author I know what you have to go through to get a publication out so can you tell us about your graphic novel do I say it right council house the house is spelled the German way and it's not your council tax way it's like council cultural way council house but it is a play on the word council house you know what's the idea behind it how did you come up with it and what's it about I had a working title called rough house um because I quite like the term rough house and it's like when you have a bit of a tuffle with your mates and stuff it's a bit of a rough house it's not a fight it's just rough housing but then I found out there was a band called it and other things were called it I need something that no one else has got I like the house thing I love play on words and the whole book is I've played on words and sentences I love word play so that's interweaved into how the book's written this word play I've not seen very much anywhere else apart from a couple of authors so I just went through all the different things as a house on the end of it like dog house and going back to the film reservoir dogs I like the fact that reservoir dogs means absolutely fuck all it means nothing it's just a catchy title for a film it don't mean anything and the title I chose in the end means nothing you can put meaning on to it but from me it means nothing other than when I was going through all the house things there's council house oh council house that sounds good if I changed it to council council house I've got something there it was purely that there's no big deep thoughts on it or anything else I just like the idea it sounds like council house so the British will get that they all live in the equivalents are called projects and stuff I had to explain it to an American the other week but I just like the word play and the fact that it completely passed me by the fact that we live in a council culture that didn't even enter into my thoughts when I thought of the title but having the title and having the council culture oh nice that's good some people might take that of it but I haven't got anything to there's no hidden meaning there there's no secret thing it's just a phrase I quite like but other people can chuck whatever they want into it so you can call it a graphic novel or I like the old traditional it's a comic book it's a 360 page novel and I've split it into 15 separate issues so that's issue one and then there'll be 14 more after this but I've got to get people to hear about this one first and then when issue 2 comes out then all of them will come out on a regular basis like every couple of months bang bang bang bang bang bang but for the first one I've just got to get people to hear about it you know it's like what's it about mate give us an idea what can we expect it's a darkly humorous thriller so you don't have to be awake or be into the truth to enjoy it but there's a lot of stuff in the truth community in there my big hope is it might wake someone up when they when they read it because there's a lot to investigate in when you read the novel there's loads to investigate but you don't have to do any of that you can just read it as a thriller it's a bit of a comedy as well it's a dark comedy but it's all about a billionaire so you don't get many main characters or a billionaires in the world of fiction because it is fiction my book's fiction even though there's some controversial stuff in it but it is fiction it's an imaginative story if you think there's some truths in there then brilliant but that's up to you but I'm not going to say anything in there is truthful at all but this guy is a billionaire and I've always thought how boring billionaires are on the planet they all seem to be the same they seem to fit into this mould where you have to be orange for a star and buy a yacht and go and live on the med in the biggest yacht go in and have a trophy wife maybe you know who's orange looking look what I've got I've got a massive big pile and I'm a billionaire I'm a billionaire I wear lots of gold I wear fucking jewelry and shit my billionaire he made his money in the art world and he hates conceptual art he actually hates conceptual art but weirdly what he's done with his money in one respect could be seen as conceptual art because what he's done is he's built 23 pubs in the middle of nowhere all in the Scottish Highlands so it is somewhere but in that somewhere there's loads of middle of nowhere so like you've just come out of the Sahara you know you're going to be walking forever and you ain't going to see fuck off days and days and days other than beautiful dunes and mountains and god knows what else and it's the old mirage oh there's a cafe there's a fucking cafe in the heat waves I'm gasping so it's just on that little idea because he's got the money I'm going to build a beautiful pub in the middle of nowhere just because a rambler might be out there really going off pieced rambling away and he or she comes across a pub proper pub you go in there and everything's 20p every beer, every bit of tobacco, whatever there's always going to be a roaring fire there's always going to be good food there's going to be no tellies or games machines you know you have a pool table it's a lovely little pub really really gorgeous pub and everything's dirt cheap and you've just arrived in heaven but when you enter into the wild west you hand in your gun at the bar so you hand in any device you've got you hand it in at the bar and then you can sit down and have a beer and have a laugh and have some food but when you leave you can have your devices back and of course they're going to be going fucking hell I've just been to a pub in the middle of nowhere so of these pubs three girls run these pubs pub is open at any one time so when a visitor does turn up after months on end where they just sat there and they're all researchers they get paid by this rich man just to sit in the pub, keep it going even though no one turns up but they spend their time researching finding out the truth on the internet about all sorts of subjects like we all do and lots of your viewers do so that's their job they've got a brilliant job they're in nature some bugger might turn up for a drink and when they leave they've got to shut the pub down board it all up, take the pub side down put everything in the Land Rover and drive to the next one open that one up and carry on again and and the story it's like the Godfather film meets the with nail with nail and eye film so you've got the Godfather thing big international thing going on because the millionaire is involved in a big international I won't tell you what it is but he's up to something he's up to sorting out a wrong if you will in the world on the big stage but he's got the little stage up at home where the builders who built his pubs over years of little bobbies and what have you converting them into pubs they've got a bit greedy and they're trying to blackmail him for some more money so he's got he has got a little firm of people you know this billionaire he's got a firm of people that he sends off to do stuff for and they go and sort these builders out and what have you and then this shenanigans starts happening because these three builders have gone missing you know and they've got friends who thinks something's up and so it's a you've got your thriller going so you've got your big thriller and you've got your little thriller and he's got a juggle both of them he's got the more close to home stuff and his wider thing and he's and I use a lot of things that have happened in my life in the book to set things going so there are variations on things that I've experienced or someone's told me about so my grandfather another thing he told me I told you earlier he was on the trains he was a fireman on the trains he told me a story when I was a little lad because I said to him what were you doing in the war and he said I was on the trains and he and I said did you see any Germans and he said yes I did he said we were on the train we were in a tunnel and we were just coming out of box tunnel in near bath and when we came out of the box tunnel there was a dog fight above so he said the driver had to put on the brakes and we went back into the tunnel for safety because if the dog fight was won by the Germans they'd come down and straff the train so we got out of danger and we got back into the tunnel and so we got out of the cop pit and we stood at the end of the tunnel having a fag watching the dog fight because he said they were great fun and he said and then one of the missus mits got shot down just above our heads and he said that Nazi he dived out in his parachute and he landed in the field in front of us and so he wrapped up his parachute and threw it away and then he came he saw the tunnel and he thought right I'm going to go and get some safety in the tunnel so this German pilot this Luftwaffe pilot was running to the tunnel and my grandpa said that was his big mistake because me and the driver were there and he said and back in those days everyone had a knife so I just got my knife out and when he came into the tunnel he said I kept putting it in in and out of him until he stopped breathing so I put that in my book little things like that actually I don't believe one word of me granddad I think he just made that up it might have been true but he was a rogue back in those days everyone told stories and he weren't short of stories so I personally think he made all that up maybe it happened I don't know but I don't think it did but it's just little things like that I've put into my book you know stuff like that folks can get a copy on Amazon is that no you have to go through my website that's the only place you can get it at the moment we'll put a link for that below our podcast listen brother we could chat for ages but we're trying to keep our podcast short of these days just to garner people's attention but gosh there's loads more we can talk about so please come back on the show if you love me that would be brilliant Chris thank you very much no problem I hope to get up your way give us a shout you know where we are just give us Facebook me, email me whatever and we'll go out you can kip over no worries Roger's been a great chat mate really really appreciate it thank you so much your knowledge is fascinating and like wise mate it's nice to be able to chat about stuff we don't have to believe it all I always say don't put all your chips on one square just stay out I'm on the spiritual bow so I don't buy into anything these days except consider everything and just be be enjoy and try and keep your frequency risen exactly and help people out when you can and have a laugh Roger stay on the line just so I can thank you properly but for the purposes of the recording massive thank you mate to all our friends at home hope you've enjoyed this chat as much as I have if you 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