 of your movie company. They're great. Oh good. Yeah, you like them? Yeah, so far. I mean, I haven't met anybody in person, but yeah, it's they they seem to be they've got their act together. Yeah, I just like the way they handle everything from from the from the beginning. Same. Yeah. Very upfront about pricing and what to expect. I'm curious if you'll get Oh, what was his name Tyler was the name of the guy who was the the team captain, whatever they call that. I mean, I could I could request him. I'm sure they're all good. I'm just curious if Tyler it's nobody or it's over. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, but just hearing you know about somebody else's like kind of a nightmare moving scenario. I'm like, you know what? You're not alone. I think I'm going to go. Oh, is your is your moving in not going well? No, I find her friend Heather. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, Tom Tom had a good experience. Another friend of mine. It just is moving today. And it's just it's just been a day. And I will be doing it soon. And I would like to have you don't stay impossible. Yeah. You want to be able to get your show from a car on a lark, not be crying. Yeah. Oh, they'll be tears, Tom. They'll be there always are. Yeah. Mine came on the other end when they weren't really tears, but it was like, I was telling them to go one place and then Eileen was telling them to go another place and they were getting a little frustrated with us at one point. And I was like, just listen to her. Don't listen to me anymore. I mean, did you have two different addresses? No, in the as they're pulling stuff off the truck, I'd be like, Oh, that goes in the front and then they'd get inside and Eileen's like, put that one in the pink room and they're like, but he said defer to the wife. Yep. Yep. That's how you have a happy life. Shall we begin then? We shall. I know you were born ready to begin, Patrick. Sure. Yes. Sorry. I'm mesmerized by this thing. I'm going to be professional and start a professional ready to tell us about game streaming in 10 seconds. I was born ready for this. Excellent. I'm so pleased to hear it. I am not the Republic. I am pleased to hear that. All right. Here we go. Thanks to everyone who supports Daily Tech News show directly. To find out more, head to dailytechnewshow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, October 16th, 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline, I'm Sarah Lane. And from the Finnish countryside, I'm Patrick Beja. And from the border of the LA County area, I'm Roger Chick. You seem to shift around the border. You never know where I'm at. My house moves. Brigadoon. You have to believe in Roger's house for it to show up. Well, you know, it's Waterworld after all. Oh, it's Waterworld. Right. Yeah, of course. Hey, we're going to talk about the state of video game streaming services in the light of the launching of some not streaming services. Patrick, are you ready to tell us all about this? I'm looking forward to it. Listen, I was born ready for many things, but for this, especially, I was super born ready. Excellent. Or born super ready. However, with a few tech things, you should know. Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen has died from complications of non-Hodgkins Lymphoma at 65 years old. Allen also owned the NFL Seattle Seahawks and the NBA Portland Trail Blazers and was a big rock music fan, in fact, funded and designed the Experience Music Project in Seattle. I think three of the four of us here all worked for him and shook his hand when he took over tech TV. He fought cancer from 1983 until now, so amazing. And he was also a philanthropist. He is giving a lot of his money to a man. Yeah, a lot of accomplishments will be sorely missed. Amazon announced a new model of the Kindle Paperwhite. That's waterproof and supports audible audiobooks over Bluetooth. Brightness range up to 10 percent brighter. Sorry, brightness range up to 10 percent brighter. The new design is 8.18 millimeters thick and weighs 182 grams. The 8 gigabytes version is 130 bucks. And the 32 gigabytes version is 160 American dollars. And 32 gigabytes and free LTE is $250. Now, yesterday we reported the axiom story that Apple had acquired a Psy. However, we missed the TechCrunch article, which was posted in our subreddit and mentioned in chat by Strikeit Rich, that clarified Apple hired a Psy's three founders to work on Apple Music. In addition, and probably what confused the story a little, is a Psy shut down its service on October 14th. Now, while the particulars of the acquisition were an error, the idea of Apple using AI to identify artists to sign still seems to be the logical conclusion of the transaction. However, we regret the error. Now, this just in Netflix announced its earnings for Q3 with subscriber growth of 6.96 million, beating its own estimates of 5 million. 1.09 million came from the US. That also beat expectations. And Netflix predicted an even bigger Q4 when they expect to add 9.4 million subscribers. Company's net income rose to $402.8 million or $0.89 a share. The Wall Street Journal reports that Apple has apologized for stolen Apple IDs that were used to make unauthorized App Store purchases in China obtained through phishing scams. Users had apparently connected their Apple accounts to mobile payment systems, LEP, and WeChat Pay. Then those IDs were used to make purchases through the App Store. Quote, we are deeply apologetic about the inconvenience caused to our customers by these phishing scams. Apple said in a statement to its Chinese users. All right, let's talk a little bit more about Huawei announcing a bunch of new things. And just before that, bigger Q4 for Netflix. Do people give Netflix for Christmas? That's weird. Why bigger Q4? Maybe there's a reason. Because they get devices that then they watch Netflix. Huawei announced the Mate 20 and Mate 20 Pro with three cameras on the back and a 6.4 inch OLED display. The Mate 20 Pro adds an in-display fingerprint sensor, 3D face unlock, and the ability to wirelessly charge any G-compatible device. It's the first phone to use Huawei's 7 nanometer Kirin 980 CPU. The Mate 20 costs 799 to 849 euros, and the Mate 20 Pro runs a thousand and 49 euros, and both are available now. If neither of those are large enough for you, there's also the Mate 20 X, or Mate 2010? I think it's X in this case. Okay, in this case, all right. With a 7.2 inch OLED display and 5,000 milliamp hour battery for 899 euros coming October 26th. Finally, Huawei announced Watch GT, which drops Google's Wear OS in favor of Huawei's own Lite OS. It claims to get two weeks on a charge if you only use the track workouts and heart rate. It will sell for 199 euros to 249 euros when it gets a release date. Yeah, so kind of a big deal that they dropped Wear OS, but it's essentially a glorified fitness tracker, which is why I can do those long battery lives. So it's a little bit limited in functionality. But wow, the Mate Pro with like everything, basically everything you've seen from every other flagship phone is in. We got Face ID, we got a fingerprint sensor under the screen, and to boot, nobody else lets your phone charge another phone wirelessly over the cheat. That's pretty cool. And actually, I'm tempted by the 7.2 inch OLED. To be honest, I will like that size of a screen for reading books and stuff. 899 euros might be a little bit much for that. I would too, but at first I was like, isn't that the iPad mini size? iPad mini is 7.9. But it's close. That's a big phone. But yes, if it was your all-in-one device and you don't have small pockets to worry about, then that it would be advantageous, especially if you're doing it. I'm just thinking of it as like a tablet with LTE or something. Well, yeah, I mean, it's a small tablet. Right. I think at some point, that would have been created some kind of hysteria in the streets like, oh, a 7.2 inch phone? Are you crazy? Now we're like, oh, it's slightly bigger than the one I have now. Cool. Getting bigger all the time. Sony announced it will begin using a blockchain system to safeguard materials in its Sony global education business. The system will verify who created content and track sharing of that content. Sony says it's contemplating using the system for music, films, VR content, and e-books as well. Oh, Sony. They pioneered the root kit back in the day for DRM. That didn't work out so well for them. But I think this is a much better approach because, first of all, it's educational stuff, so it's all writing-based, which lends itself to an open ledger like Blockchain very well. And it'll be an interesting experiment to see because the benefit of Blockchain over a typical DRM is it leaves the content open. It just allows you to prove that you do or do not own it. So it gets rid of a lot of the downsides of DRM. I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's a more internet-centric way of doing things. Nobody else is going to buy it. Does it mean that you can do what you want with your content? It's still DRM, so it's still going to need to check with the Blockchain to make sure you you are allowed to use the thing that you're using. Right. But I mean, can I copy it and play it with any player? I guess not. If they allow you, then yeah, you could. But again, we're talking about writing here, not music. So it becomes a whole different thing if you start using it in media, doesn't it? At the Wired25 Summit in San Francisco, Google CEO Sundar Pichai said Google is taking a longer-term view of operating a search engine in China. Pichai acknowledged what is called Project Dragonfly, which has reportedly caused backlash and even some resignations at Google. Pichai says the company is exploring how it would work, but has not decided if it would actually launch a search engine in China again. Even while following Chinese law, Pichai said that Dragonfly would be able to answer well over 99% of the queries put to it and that there are many areas where we would provide information better than what's available. It's not necessarily throwing shade, but he's comparing himself to Baidu. Google pulled out of China in 2010. They did run a search engine up until then. At the time, Google blamed sophisticated attacks targeting human rights activists using their information, as well as limits on free speech. Well, you could say, okay, maybe they won't have cyber attacks levied against them, but the limits are still the same limits in China. I do think it is justifiable for Google to examine this, to say, let's set up a project to examine what this would mean so that they can continue to make an informed decision about whether they want to operate there. Well, I think it's reasonable for any company to do this in a vacuum, and he's making some interesting points. He's really worked this message with his PR team very cleverly. He says things like, well, you know, in every country we have to adapt to the regulations, which is true. I think the key here is that people aren't really upset that Google would work with in China. Many companies do that, and it's kind of an accepted fact of life that you have to work in China and abide by Chinese rules. The problem with Google, which he's kind of sweeping under the rug, is that they left China. That's what people are upset about. They left, they took a stand, and they said we will not work with a government that is like this. Of course, it was a long time ago, but still. So that's what people are upset about. Otherwise, people would be upset about every single tech company in the world, because they're all working in China. Yeah, it feels like a change of mind, right? And it's one thing. It feels like going back on your principles, it's more than just changing things. Well, and I think that's why a lot of the PR about this is like, well, we're testing something. We don't know if we're going to launch it yet. Google might be very sure that they're going to launch it, right? Because this is a market that they would like to get back into. But if you sound very deliberate in your thinking and really weighing the options, then that's kind of how you have to approach this no matter what Google is actually planning. Yeah, but I think the problem is they're saying, we're just testing it, but hey, China makes up 20% of the world and we're supposed to serve the entire world with information. And 99% of the searches would go through. And it really sounds like they're trying to justify going in at that point. I think that's another thing that gets people upset. And that's the very carefully crafted PR message, because that was true in 2010 when they left. So anyway, in July, the European Commission fined Google $5 billion for entry trust violations and ordered the company to stop illegally tying Chrome and search apps to Android. While Google is appealing the decision, it also is changing the way it licenses things for Android shipped into the European economic area. Vendors can choose to pay the to license Google mobile apps and play store, Chrome and search all separately. Look at that. Previously, they were all bundled into Android for free. Apps can also be licensed for non Google versions of Android. The new system begins October 29. So basically, they have to comply with the order even while they're appealing it. And this is their solution. Don't you don't don't want them bundled, then you have to pay for them. Which makes sense. Yeah, there were a number of issues there. It was also the idea that if you would use their service, then you couldn't use any other service. Equivalent service disputes if that was actually the case. So I agree. But that was also part of the and Google says we haven't changed anything. You still don't have to do that. So, you know, saying that apps can be licensed for non Google versions of Android is new. They didn't license them for non Google versions of Android before. So that's fair to point out, I think. Do you think this is angry compliance? Like, well, fine, if you're going to make us do this and we're going to charge you, or do you think it's reasonable for them to charge you? I mean, it seems like they would. It's kind of a either workaround of the intent of the ruling in the same way that Microsoft, when they were forced to have a version of Windows that didn't include Windows Media Player, they said, well, great, here's another one costs the same. You can buy it if you want. It doesn't have Windows Media Player. So maybe this is kind of similar. Honestly, I'm not sure about the ruling to begin with. So I can't say that this is the right way to address it. Yeah. And having it be bundled for free was considered part of the anti competitive problem. It was too cheap. How could you refuse when it was free? So there's another argument in the ruling that they should charge for it as well. Yeah. I mean, if the goal is to get more competition in, this seems like it could make it happen. Now, what would be the maybe other players like Samsung are going to get into this? Arm announced its roadmap for its Neoverse ship designs to power high-performance servers, edge computing platform storage systems, gateways, 5G base stations and routers. Companies adapted arm designs for such uses in the past, but Neoverse will be designed specifically for infrastructure uses and the workloads they entail. Among the partners on the project are Microsoft, Red Hat, Oracle and Docker. The first products using Neoverse will ship next year, built on a 7nm platform with 5nm expected by 2020. Intel's lunch is just sitting there on the table and Arm is like, I've got a fork. I would like to eat your lunch. Intel, let me double down on people using Arm and servers by really putting some R&D money behind it. That seems to be what's going on here. How likely do you think it is that they will succeed here? Intel has tried to eat Arm's lunch by going into mobile and low-powered chips, and they have not succeeded. Do you think Arm has the, I guess, research and development capacity to up the power of their chips to power servers? I mean, some people have started doing this already, but- I think that's what gives me the, it's like, hey, if people are taking your existing chips and trying to use them for that, it means that there's an appetite there that you might want to fulfill. It's not just Intel, they're also competing with AMD there. And, you know, one of the key points about Arm for the longest time is that, you know, they weren't a fabber or they didn't sell you the chips. They sold licenses of designs, and Apple, Qualcomm, and other companies could take and then develop their own system on a chip based on those designs. And what Arm is doing right now is taking that and saying, well, everyone's been doing that. Let's do it in-house for ourselves. And what's interesting is that they are looking forward. So Intel still kind of has the server market, but they also are heavily in the desktop market. And Arm is like, well, desktop is there, but it's probably not the future. Future will be cloud computing where people will access various processing services online via a tablet, smartphone, or some smaller embedded device. So why don't we reach out? Because that's where the growth is, right? The PC growth market is kind of mature. The PC market is mature, so you're not going to get as much growth as you would developing servers that can be both not just powerful but flexible, right? Being able to pick the amount of cores that you need in your blade servers is tremendous, instead of just buying whatever, you know, chips that that you already have for sale and then trying to shoehorn them into the situation that you have. Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com. So Discord's curated PC game store and enhanced Nitro game subscription service now available to all 150 million users in beta form. Remember it debuted in Canada back in August. Now everybody can get it. Universal library tab lets users manage all their games within Discord. That also is releasing globally today and Discord says first on Discord titles are temporarily exclusive usually for 90 days. Then the developers can sell anywhere they want like Steam. Discord's new $10 per month Nitro subscription offers all you can play access to 60 games. This is a big deal. Discord competing with Steam. Steam being sort of the dominant store. That stores, Patrick, may feel sort of retro and old fashioned soon if the promise of streaming games catches on where you don't have to download it and play it locally. Where are we at that? Is that still pie in the sky? I think it's not pie in the sky anymore. It has been for a long time, but now it feels like the unavoidable future. Pie in really low flying mode. Exactly. Low flying pies. Little hanging pies. So as a quick reminder, this technology of streaming video games to you and you sending the input from a controller, for example, into the cloud and getting the results via streaming video, so remote server, the idea isn't new. OnLive launched its service in June 2010 and back then people were very, very skeptical. And I think that a lot of people look at the failure of services like OnLive and Gaikai which actually didn't even launch and was bought by Sony before it could launch. OnLive was also bought by Sony. That is what turned into their existing PlayStation Now service. So the failure of those services and maybe looking at the PlayStation Now service, that isn't becoming the most successful thing ever. And they think, well, that means they don't work. And a lot of people look at the technical requirements of these services and think that's the reason they don't work. I have an issue with that line of thinking. I think the technical challenges are real and they are, you know, it's too prong. Basically, there's the bandwidth issue which currently seems like it's mostly solved. You can stream 4K TV content and that is not a problem for many people. Not for everyone, of course. Of course, there's a buffer capability if you're streaming video as opposed to video games which have to be very responsive. But I think for a lot of people it's solved. And getting better all the time, I would add. And it's getting better. And with this improving, not getting worse. Right. Latency is more of a sensitive issue. But as some of the tests, a test, it can also be brought down enough that it's becoming usable for more and more people. 5G has a very strong low latency component. So technically, I think that is coming under a feasible umbrella. The real challenge for the previous services, I think, which people don't realize, was more of a commercial one. The value proposition wasn't good. And arguably still isn't good with PlayStation now because it's older games. OnLive couldn't sign big games and big publishers and big developers because they had no interest in coming to OnLive when their games were available in other places from, you know, maybe they didn't want to piss off. The point is, OnLive didn't have good games available or recent games. So that is where if the technical aspects of it are working for many people and more and more people, it's the business opportunities that are going to be driving all of this. Because if you can access your, basically, we were talking about Discord and Steam. And essentially, Microsoft's Xbox and Sony's PlayStation are the same thing. They're a platform. They have customers. And they offer you those customers in exchange for 30% of your money if you're a developer so that you put your game on their store, right? They're essentially storefronts. If people don't need that store to go to that storefront to access your content, then you have a direct relationship with your customers and you don't have to give up 30% of your revenue. That is a very interesting business proposition for people who don't have a storefront. So any big publisher, Ubisoft, Activision, all of them. And by the way, that's why they all have stores on Windows and macOS because they would rather you buy their games on their store than on Steam. So, again, they don't have to pay 30% to Valve. So, streaming technology enables this everywhere. It even enables a developer to create an app that you download that's very light. It doesn't matter if you don't have the latest console or the latest PC. You download the thing and it runs streaming the game. And that means that it means that it's partly unavoidable as a technology if it works. And since it's interesting to big developers, it seems like the existing platforms also have an incentive to follow the trend because if they don't, they can end. It's more convenient to do it that way for some people. They kind of become irrelevant. They can't not have it if everyone else is doing it. So I think that all of this nobles together into, as I was saying, the inevitable future of streaming as a tentative technology, meaning they're going to try it. Now, whether it works enough for enough people that it's going to succeed, that I think it will, but we can't really know at this point. But the fact that everyone's going that way is kind of inevitable. It reminds me a lot of what happens with television shows and movies in the streaming world in reverse. What happened there was everybody devalued the idea of a streaming TV show. Like, yeah, sure, Netflix, you can stream our back catalog. It's good for nothing. We're not making any money off of it until suddenly they're like, oh, crap, Netflix is running away with the industry. We need to pull that catalog back and make our own streaming service. This is the opposite where it's sort of like, well, no, this is really valuable. I don't want it to be on streaming, but now that streaming seems to be getting momentum, maybe I'll need to put it on streaming because I don't want to get left behind. That's definitely the case. But also the people think streaming and think Netflix so subscription, but it doesn't have to be subscription. You could pay for that service for a specific game for a couple of days and pay 10 bucks. It could be rental. It could be just buy the full game once maybe that would be the second age of streaming video games. I don't think people will be very likely to buy a game that is streaming from somewhere because they want to quote unquote own it even if it's digitally. I don't know. Never say never. People thought that about digital too and it's turning out not exactly. And now no one bats an eye at buying games digitally on steam and you never have a box anywhere. And it's more and more common with consoles as well. Yeah. So it's a really interesting and there are many possibilities, but everyone's going that way. I wonder if there's an opportunity for the game companies to say, look, we don't want to have to operate a streaming service. That's too complicated. But we could rent some time on one and do the rentals of our entire catalog from our store. That's the way we make money directly. And then we rent out to these various Xbox Sony streaming services to make sure we don't miss out on that too. Well, this is already happening. Actually, Ubisoft has rented the services of a third-party company to provide Assassin's Creed in Japan on the Switch, which is not capable enough to run that game. And it wasn't their own servers. I thought initially they were ramping up on that. And last point, it also brings in more players because Google, as we know, is looking into this, which again makes the financial pressure or competitive pressure higher because it's another entrant which has instant access to every stream in the world and the technical capability to provide that service. So everyone has to do it because they have to. Yeah. Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. Lots of gaming stories there, like every day, but all tech stories are good ones. Thank you to our community. Submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. We're also on Facebook, facebook.com slash group slash Daily Tech News Shoe. All right, let's dip into the mailbag, Sarah. Let's do it. Degrasha or Degradia, either way, very cool name. Degrasha had some thoughts on TCL's Palm Supplemental Phone. Yesterday I was like, who wants a smaller phone? but I can barely keep one phone. DeGrasse said, I totally love the idea of having a smaller, less capable second phone. I technically carry two phones with me now. I use an LG Expression 2 as my phone, and a Samsung S8 as a mobile hotspot. Love the simplicity of the second phone, the LG phone. I find myself less distracted. I've reconnected with people I haven't spoken to in years. I feel that my conversations are more meaningful than when they would have been in the past. Since the LG isn't connected to the mobile web, can't receive MMS, it can receive SMS, which is a blessing and occurs at the same time. For the time being though, I like the notion of random messages from group chats and subscription services being filtered out. As a workaround, I use a reverse carrier lookup. DeGrasse uses freecarrierlookup.com so that I can send emails as SMS and vice versa, individuals who can send SMS and MMS to my email from their phones. Interesting. Perspective on this sort of behavior, because I think a lot of people dismissed that POM idea as a stupid idea. Whether the phone actually takes off or not is a whole different thing, but there are a lot of people like DeGrasse who really do like having that limited capability. Sure, yes, he's definitely not alone. And it's always nice to hear your perspective. Also nice to hear from Patrick Beja. Patrick, what has been going on in your world and where can folks keep up with your work? Well, if you wanna hear more about my thoughts on gaming, you can go to, well, the podcast that I produce and host Pixels. And I expand a little bit on what I talked about here and talk about many other interesting stories about gaming in the latest episode that was recorded today. If that's a little bit too hardcore gamer for you when you want something less daunting, you might wanna subscribe to MVGB. What does MVGB stand for, you might ask? 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Our email addresses feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. Thanks to everybody's feedback. We love hearing from you. We're also live Monday through Friday at 4.30 p.m. Eastern 2030 UTC and you can find out more and tell a friend, dailytechnewshow.com slash live. Back tomorrow with Scott Johnson as our contributor. Talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. The Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. Nobody can laugh like that. It's amazing. The Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. It's one of my favorite Monday through Friday things. I look forward to it. The little laugh that cheers you up. Yeah, it's a muppet laugh. Yeah. It wasn't like a good muppet laugh. I don't know. People who are afraid of muppets or puppets. Are people afraid of muppets? I'm sure there has to be. I didn't realize people who are afraid of open spaces. Muppedeckaphobia. What is that? People who are afraid of open spaces. Agoraphobia. Oh, yeah, agoraphobia. Agoraphobia. Isn't that just being afraid of leaving the house? Agoraphobia is the fear of agriculture. Agoraphobia is the fear of the open marketplace, the agora. It's used generally to mean fear of leaving the house. Right. I don't remember what it is offhand, but I do remember on one of the real world seasons from way back on the day it was real world San Diego, there was a housemate who was afraid of large boats. And that is not a thing that was unique to her. That's a real thing. Like large boats, upset people. Like cruise ships and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Like being afraid of an airplane. You're afraid of a cruise ship. But like she wasn't afraid of being on it. She didn't want to see it. You know? Because I know a lot of people are afraid of flying. I mean, I'm not wild about it either. My dad was really afraid of flying, but it wasn't like if he saw an airplane in the sky, it scared him. This was like just looking at it was scary. Wow. I know. She would have hated when I was in Sydney, we were walking along the pier and a cruise ship just like pulled right up. She would have ran screaming. It's sort of like because it seems too big to work. A cloak? Yeah. That must be, there must be something about it that's just upsetting. It is kind of imposing. I'm going to look it up because it is a real thing. I don't have a fear of hospitals, but I don't like them. I mean. We brought up hospitals. Oh, no. I was just thinking of things that you're afraid of. OK. Like if I had to. I love going to the hospital. Well, no. I just like you. No, no, no. This is what I mean. Like even if it's not for me, like it's just I don't like being around hospitals. I'm not sure many people like being in hospitals. Well, some people are neutral. You know, it's like whatever. It's just another place. But for me, it's just it's the same fear I have with water parks. To me, it's just a giant, you know, festering. I don't think those two are comparable. Everyone mostly hates hospitals. People love water parks. I hate water parks. Water parks is a great example. I hate water parks. But you hate water parks because you think that they seem unclean. Yeah, it looks like a giant toilet bowl. The problem I have with water parks, I don't care about that. It's like I have chlorinated. I have the problem that people seem to die on these rides. Yeah, because that's the problem I have. It seems just unsafe. And then they go to hospitals. So it's a triple threat. Oh, yeah. I mean, if they're dead, they probably don't go to hospitals. And they'll have to go out on a boat. That's just not good. What about discord striking a chord with gamers? Too long. We didn't really talk about discord at all. And so I was all ready to talk about this court. Yeah, we talked about streaming services, not really talked about discord. Well, no, this is an interesting one. Thassalophobia, not a fear of large boats, but a intense fear of the ocean. We need a we need a title, though. Thassalophobia, I'm just kidding. I'm taking Intel to lunch. OK, is that the best one? Well, all the other gaming ones have discord in the title. I'll find one that isn't. Yeah. All right, I'm going to abscond, abscond with the scone to abscond with. I don't think you have to abscond with anything. I'm not a requirement to abscond. I don't think so, no. With your free will. Yeah, we've heard least secretly. Typically, we enjoyed going on with our hearts. Now that you're not absconding when you tell us you're leaving. So in general usage, abscond refers to any act of running away and hiding usually from the law and often with funds. Damn it. I didn't realize. I I guess I get I ask. But in legal circles, the word is used specifically when someone who has already become the focus of a legal proceeding hides or takes off in order to evade the legal process. All right. Well, I am fully innocent of the charges I'm accused of. And I do not have any further comment. That's fair. But Patrick, we'll miss you. I will miss you as well. And we will. We will miss you, Roger. You guys enjoy your Tuesday. Thanks, Patrick. Have a good night. Bye. All right. Roger, you'll need to change the description. Of this show. On YouTube, I'm changing it on the blog post, but. Here's a good one. Phobophobia, the fear of phobias. Which doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but I'm sure it does to somebody who, you know, has medical. Someone who has that would hate this conversation, right? Sorry. Yeah, we're sitting here talking about phobias. But I mean, we can do. Everybody's got a phobia. I mean, I have arachnophobia. Definitely fear of racks, like can't go to a department store. Yeah, yeah. You can never find out. They're really good. Can't get enough of those racks. But I mean, I'm not going to have the rack if you have arachnophobia. Nor is it off the rack. But but yeah, no, I but I don't think it's a phobia. I just have sort of like that, you know, general fear of spiders that I think a lot of people have. I think that's technically arachnophobia. It's the phobia doesn't have to be debilitating. It's just like, oh, I'm always scared. It's something that scares you off. Ironically, I'm more to phobia, the fear of death. You do? Yeah, don't want to die. Well, I don't either, but I don't think I'm afraid of it because it's like it's not up to me, but I guess that's true. I don't really, you know, like, I don't think about it. I'll do it to just avoid it. I'm afraid of being the last person to die. Well, I am. Yeah, who's going to feed me? I don't know. No, I mean, like they'll figure out the cure for death the day after I die, like, oh, you don't want to be the last one to go. I thought you meant like, you don't want to be the last one. He doesn't want to go before we figure out how to live forever. No, that's what's going to happen. They're going to be like, oh, tomorrow we're we're finalizing it. You don't have it quite done yet. And then I die. So wait, if I speed up your death, will that mean that the cure will come sooner? I don't think it's causing a fact like that. Yeah, that's comic book logic. Jurassicophobia is the fear of growing old. Oh, fear of getting old. OK, I think I probably have that more than death. I don't have that. I've always felt old. Well, me too. But, you know, I live in fear every day as I grow older. I I don't mind growing old. I just don't want to be debilitated. Like, I will know if my body will slow down, but I don't want to be like needing a wheelchair or an oxygen tank or stuff to get out. I don't want to wait for my life to be over. I want to know right now what it will be. That's a song. You know, if I like. If you knew the specific day you would die, like place, would you try to avoid it? Or would you try to cram as much of life into what? Well, but if you already know the day in place, it's unavoidable, right? You'll end up there. I know. But some people try to cheat it, right? They'll try to like, well, I'm going to be somewhere else. Well, it's sort of like being like pretty soon. If you keep eating all those cheeseburgers, you're going to have a heart attack. You could just stop doing that. And nobody says you are scheduled to die on April 1st. Then yeah, I wouldn't do anything. We don't know if you can avoid it now that you know it. If you didn't know it, it was unavoidable. But now that we've told you that for grabs, would you then try to avoid it? Or just assume like, there's no way out of it. I'm going to live my life for today. Like, would you just take your life savings and like, man, I'm going to do the one thing I've been afraid of doing because. Yeah, I don't know. I think if they tell you the date and time, but not the cause, it's kind of hard to avoid, right? Yeah. If they tell you, oh, you're going to die on a boat, then then suddenly you get the. You don't get off boats anymore. Yeah, you're in the middle. Yeah. But, but. Sure, but we'll get you. Well, I know how to. Forces you on to a boat and then you're like, oh, I could never avoid my fate. What if you died and like, uh, like on the stage of a musical like showboat or something. So died from a heart attack from too much exception. We've died on the boat, but not the boat you were thinking. Yeah, it was a monkey's paw thing. Symantec's boats. Oh, man. Why did Symantec sponsor that boat? Symantec. We'll miss you, sir. Wait, what? No, teasing. Badger. Don't get on the boat. I just had a birthday. Let me live. Yeah. Um, yeah, would you want this is so morbid. Would you want to die the day before or the day after your birth? Uh, I don't care. Really depends on how you look at it, because it could be it wouldn't matter where you died. You could reference it either way. But the birthday actually has no significance at all to me. Well, to me, I want to be like, yeah, I made it to 85 or whatever it is, you know, like. Right. That sense of accomplishment could be the last thing you feel. You know, it's fine. My, my grand, one of my grandmothers lived to 99. In fact, she was just shy of her 100th birthday when she passed away. Now, she and she had a wonderful life. Very, you know, lots of, you know, love and, and lots of, you know, friends and vacations and just she had a great life. I would say for like the solid last five years of her life, she was just sort of like, when's this happening? Uh huh. You know, like it wasn't like she was like unhappy necessarily, but it's like all her friends were gone. She was the last one, you know, and, and her, you know, she was. She was everything. She was still kicking, but yeah, she was tired. She was tired, you know, and sometimes she'd say stuff of my mom and I would be like, well, don't say that. But, you know, I kind of understood. That's the thing that, that the young know the, know less and less, right? The younger you are, the least you, the less you appreciate that being old is really hard and bad. And the older you get, the more you appreciate it. I don't appreciate it as much as I will, but I'm starting to, I'm like, oh, I get it now. I get it. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. What's that show in Netflix? Altered carbon. Yeah. I never watched it, although I'm so into maniac. You guys have got to watch that show if you're not watching it. Which one is maniac? Well, I'm a Jonah Hill and Emma Stone. Um, it's a little, I don't know if sci-fi is not the right way to describe it. Fantasy. It isn't. Yeah. It's a sort of, not fantasy, more, I don't know, alternate, alternate reality. I don't know. It's good. It's really good. In fact, I had to make myself turn it off last night and go to bed because I was like, I'm going to stay up all night watching this. Um, all right. Uh, man, can I get rid of this cough? Um, I got my thing too. I mean, I haven't, we haven't been around each other. So who knows if it's related or not, but it's like, it's almost like instead of a sore throat, it's like it hurts to swallow. Well, that's a sore throat. Well, yeah, but like a sore throat and like a sore in a certain way, this almost feels like it's like there's something stuck in my throat. So it's, it's, it's not so much painful, but very uncomfortable. Dude, does your neck, like your lymph nodes feel swollen or like tender if you touch it. Do you feel, does it hurt? No, I have a tickly throat. My throat just feels very like, you know, I, that's why I keep coughing. And on that note. Yes. Uh, that's the best we have. So the video people, you could excuse yourselves now. Thanks for watching. Audio people, I'm sorry. You have to stick around. There's more to come. Yeah.