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You are here and I hope you'll be blessed by the information and the dialogue that will be given and imparted today. So thank you for joining. If this is your first time, let's see. Let's see. David, you said this is so crazy. I think you're talking about the video as well. Sister Amanda, good to see you, my sister. Glad to see you. Sister Shonda, good to see you as well. I don't believe God's word. Good to see you. You said I'm so glad my parents were baby from Jonah, Siroli. Amen. Amen. Good parents. Daniel Averell came over from Corey String. Welcome. Good to see you. Good to see you. The wife is in the house. Hello, dear. She's right there in the next room. David College, what's going on, man? Appreciate you, brother. Appreciate you. All right, listen. So let me just go ahead and say this. This week has been interesting to say the least for me. And why do I say that? I say that because the church is in trouble. The church is in trouble. And if I can be a little bit more specific and ethnic, if I could, and I will, the black church is definitely in trouble. We are, there's a cold blue. Cold blue. I mean, we're about the flat line. There's so much going on in the black church. I can't even shake a stick at it. There's so much. There's so much. From the obvious to the unobvious. But once the unobvious creeps in, it seems to be too late because it comes in so stealthily. Tonight, I don't believe it's one of those nights somewhat because there has been an exodus. There has been an exodus of people, brothers and sisters in Christ, who have seen for themselves those things that they may have aligned themselves with that have pledged to. God in His grace has opened their eyes to see it. Others maybe not. Hopefully by God's grace, maybe even after this live and after this discussion, but this will not be the last one. I pray that there will be more. The guests that I have on, there was going to be more guests that were going to be joining me, but commitments will not allow them to join today. But hopefully in the very near future, we'll continue this conversation. But tonight, I'm joined with two people, two brothers and sisters in Christ, one sister and one brother, one formerly who denounced Delta, another brother in Christ still, who currently and has stated that he is currently a member of a fraternity. And so what I want to do, I want to have a conversation with both of these individuals to have them to share their experience, their stories, why they decided to denounce and why they have yet to denounce their organization. This would not be, I'm going to say this now, this would not be any attacking of another person's character or nothing like that. We should be able to dialogue and I've already assured my guests that it will be that. But we are going to talk, we're going to have a conversation. I believe these are the kinds of conversations that the Bible says as iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. And so a time of iron sharpening, a time of understanding, all of that good stuff. So, without any further ado, I want to bring to the chat and actually those of you who may not know them, but you will. Brother Xavier and Sister Arger, welcome. Welcome to the BCV channel. How are y'all doing? All right. All right. Good to see you. Good to see y'all. So Xavier, he's heading home. He's in transit right now. So he's going to be spending his time in the vehicle, but he didn't want to miss this broadcast. And so I appreciate that. So what I want to do is give both of you the opportunity to introduce yourselves, let the guest and let the viewers know. I mean, the viewers rather know a little bit about yourselves as guests here. What brings you on? Make sure nobody knows that I tried to, you know, hold y'all up at gunpoint and say that I'm going to take your kids or your dog or anything like that. So you came on your own free will, but nonetheless, I'm glad to have you all here. So, Brother Xavier, I'll start with you first, man. Let the people know a little bit about yourself. What made you, what brings you here? All right. Well, first, I want to say I am a resurrected believer in the finished works of Jesus Christ first. So I just want to let that be stated. That this conversation has been around for many years from when I first joined my fraternity. This has been a conversation, like I said, for many years. And so I think it's one that needs to be had. I think, you know, a lot of things can be said on both sides. So, and I'm not here to convince anybody that they need to stay with any particular organization. But I think what I've been hearing that people have been demonized if they don't. So just want to have a conversation like you said and see what happens. All right. Appreciate it. And Sister Audra, what about yourself? People know a bit about yourself. What brings you here and your goal and your desire of tonight's discussion? Well, thank you for having me. My name is Audra. I am originally from Georgia live in Tennessee now been here about 24 years and newly wed and married eight months today. Oh, wow. Congratulations. Thank you. Congratulations. Thank you. I I wish back in April of 2000. I think this Saturday would be like 23 years up to the day. Wow. So, but I came out back in 2001. And October of 2001 is when I officially denounced publicly, you know, to the chapter. And I just had what I call a sug Avery moment. I went through a divorce. I've been married for 2024 years, 2526 years. And out, you know, just, just saw the Lord through that. And he just saw me through that divorce and just revealed a lot of things to me. I turned 50 right after I got divorced and threw myself a huge birthday party. When my sorority system and everybody came and we do and Delta, you do the sweetheart song. And then, you know, we throw up the, the. And just a year later, just looking at those pictures. You know, something just that's where I had that moment that should what I call my sug Avery moment, you know, a minute, because I had a OML at the bottom, you know, that means all of my love and I thought, okay, this is not right. So, and at that time, I had just joined a group called celebrate recovery. I was a, you know, a drug addict and all. So I, because I had issues being, you know, in that for so long, I joined celebrate recovery. And I was going through a step study. So in that step study is where I discovered my character defects. So I was looking within me and I just asked the Lord to show me to work on me, show me what was not of him. I didn't want to be doing anything that was not of him. And when I had that moment, that's when I said, okay, so. And it's just a video popped up on my maybe a week or two later video popped up on my screen about where sororities and fraternity started. And I didn't look at it. I was like, I don't want to see that. And then maybe a week or two later, it came back the very same video came back this time I listened to it. And when I listened to it, I said, Oh my goodness. So that started my journey of searching exactly where did this, this stuff start, where did this stuff come from? Who am I serving? Who actually is this manoeuvre person? Because I would see it on, you know, on the little shield. And I just thought it, I didn't know what it was really. I never asked because I thought it was dumb for me to ask because I was supposed to know. But I just started this journey and I just decided. I told the Lord, I'm done. I'm out. I'm out. So I announced before the chapter I denounced before my church. And then I denounced publicly on Facebook. And then I sent my letter to the national headquarters and on December 31 of 2021 I was officially out. Wow. So let me ask you this question. Let me just start with you then. What is so significant about the denouncing, you know, for those who may not know, or for those who are, you know, curious about, we hear people say denouncing, denouncing, denouncing. I've never pledged to a fraternity. My wife never pledged to a sorority. But when we have seen these videos, these denouncement videos from former, you know, members of these fraternities and sororities, we've always heard them. You know, make those same statements and the processes, if not in order. But nonetheless, they have covered all bases, whether they've done it, you know, first, you know, with the organization or with it privately and then publicly. But nonetheless, they went to see that they've gone through all of those different, you know, processes or steps of denunciation. So why is that, in your opinion, I guess I'm just asking you, why is that so why is that significant? Is there any significance to that? Yes, it is. And when I denounced in front of the chapter, I went to a chapter meeting and I denounced in front of them. The president stated, when I was done, she stated, well, you know, we appreciate you coming to do this, but you didn't owe us this. You didn't, you didn't, and I stopped her right there. I said, okay, I'm gonna stop you right now. And I said, and I reminded them of our, what is it, probate coming out when we came out. And I pledged an alumni chapter. I did not pledge in college. I pledged, you know, after. So we didn't have the, you know, the big probate thing, but we did have a celebration. So I reminded her of that or reminded all of them of that, what we did, how we celebrated. And from there on, you know, I had my letters on, doing it every day, wearing it to church. I put it on my car. Good grief. I had it on everything. So I let everyone know that I was a Delta, wanted everyone to know that I was a Delta. This is what I am now. Well, that's the same thing with coming out. I, and I said this to them, I do not want anyone to associate me being a member of Delta Sigma Theta. I do not want them to see, see me as that first. I want you to see me as the woman who loves Christ, as a woman in Christ, as someone who loves Christ, who, who strives to do my best to be like Christ. That's what I want you to see. See me as first, not be able to associate me with Delta Sigma Theta. So just as well as I came in, I'm going even louder out. Wow. Amazing. Amazing. Yeah, I was told I was doing too much, but okay. Well, I'm just curious. Who told you that you were doing too much? I guess a few people are just, you know, certain ones, if you don't mind me asking. Yeah. Yeah. A few people. A few people. Okay. That's how I figured. Yeah. Okay. You know. Gotcha. Gotcha. No, I appreciate that. So, Xavier, I wanted to ask you, I had you, had your mic muted because we'd love it, the feedback in the background. So let me unmute you real quick there. Okay. So Xavier wanted to ask you, man. Okay. So tell us a little bit about your, you know, you're currently a Kappa, is that correct? I'm going to make sure I have the right fraternity, you know, identified. You're a Kappa? Yes. Okay. And when did you, when did you pledge? 1989, 30 years. 1989. Okay. All right. So tell us a little bit, I guess, about, you know, your current experience and involvement as a Kappa. I continued to have friendship with the guys that I pledged with and their media lines surrounding me, we still fellowship together from time to time. But I have no active involvement in the National Chapter like that. And the reason why I say that, I did pledge as an undergraduate. Like I said, I was 19 years old. And so I lived, I was a Kappa's Kappa at that time. And that means I did as an undergraduate, you know, for most of us, and most of all of my line brothers, we all pledge undergrad. So when we left that undergraduate life, we left pretty much that behind also in terms of what that meant because I'm going to be the first to tell you a Hellenistic undergraduate life is not conducive for marriage or church. So I'd be the first to admit that. So I don't shy from that. Okay, could you break that down on what you meant by that? Meaning, if you're a young Greek like I was, partying and everything else that went along with that, that wasn't conducive for any type of feminine life, any type of church life at all. So I'd be the first to admit that. Okay, and you had broke up at the beginning of your talk, so I wanted to make sure that everyone heard you. So at the beginning, I had asked a question regarding your involvement as a Kappa. So you're currently, you pledged in 1989, you said, correct? Yes. Okay, and you're currently, I mean, you're still associated with the organization, with the fraternity? Not on a national level. Like I said, I still have fellowship with my line brothers and their media lines brown. Okay, so when you say fellowship, I guess, what do you mean by that? Meaning, I will go to one of my fraternity brothers. They having to cook out and I go to their house. I talk to, we talk about once or twice a month. So I still talk to people who I pledge with, or people who are surrounded with lies. Okay, you had mentioned earlier that you were saying that you felt that people have demonized, you were saying what, fraternities and sororities are demonizing you? Not me personally, but basically, you know, I listened to I think the one you had two weeks ago. It is almost like you are worthy. Anybody who refused to denounce, you know, he was living in unrepentant sin or sinners or even yet not even safe. So I think I made the comment, you know, that's when I identified myself and said, you know, there's a lot of misunderstanding. And what's the misunderstanding? So we're clear because if there's misunderstanding, I think the purpose for this channel is for people to have a biblical understanding regarding the origins of organizations and societies or secret societies that is outside of Christianity. So if there's anything that's being misunderstood, I believe this is the opportunity for you to make clarification for that. Okay, well, I'm not here to once again, I'm not here to defend any organization. But like I said, I think in the chat that my organization is not a Christian organization, it doesn't promote itself as a Christian organization, it never has. So, and I think from your last one, even with the college, the drawing a blank, like the Masons, you know, he was trying to compare or say we were similar, but there's no similarity. We don't have temples. We don't meet at temples. So forth and so on. So, although we do have an initiation right that we did in secret outside of that, there's nothing else to us that is similar to Masons. Would you say that they're so you say that they don't you don't you don't have a temple or surrounding like that but what about the the origins of each fraternity and sorority do they do they have Greek gods or goddesses that they that they pledge and give rituals make rituals and pray to and worship to. No. You said no. I'm saying for me myself. No. So you're saying that you say that Kappa you say you say that Kappa apple apple side does not have does not have a Greek god that they pledge to at all. I'm saying that. I'm sorry. Yes, I'm saying that. Okay, so let me let me do this then because again, if that's the case, I want to make sure we have the information that's that's that's available. So your your fraternity. You said this is is Kappa apple side right. Yes. All right. So I want to make sure that I present the information correctly and if it's not then I think this is opportunity for you to to rebut it. I had also asked you the question about did you bring your your ritual book, because you said that you have a copy of it. And that way we can compare and contrast whatever is basically being stated to be the truth. So you're saying that there are no Greek gods that that that that Kappa alpha sigh pledges to gives rituals to IE praise to that that's your that's your that's your definite statement right. Say it again. That is my state. Okay. So in page 14 of your ritual book, the sacred Delphic shrine, what is that. So that's referring to a shrine for the work of Delphi. But you said you don't have you don't have temples and things of that nature. That doesn't matter but but your your your your fraternity does have gods that they pledge to that they give make rituals to an IE worship. And you said that they don't. So are you actually a Kappa. And you crossed and all of that. Okay, so it says quote. The altar of the altar of Kappa alpha sigh, which is the sacred Delphic shrine shall be placed in the center of the room and covered with the crimson and cream cover that page 14 of your ritual book. Do you recall that. If you would allow me to speak. Go ahead. Go ahead. And I'm going to say this to you. We did not follow every tenant of what is written in ritual book. So it just did not. So were you did you pledge your loyalty to the fraternity. Yes or no. So at that time, I did. But that is irrelevant. Well, it is relevant if they because you you're defending your fraternity. I'm not defending my fraternity. That's not I never said I was defending my fraternity. So what I'm saying is why is it relevant at this point is because I told you I pledge back in 1989. I got saved in 1991. So whatever I did in my past has no relevance in that. Have you denounced the fraternity. So on what basis what I have to so listen closer to what I'm saying what I have to because I believe Jesus died for me on that cross for my sins. And he rose from the dead and through that I am safe. So if you're telling me that I have to do something extra. Then you're telling me that there is an insufficiency in what I did and that my salvation is based on something else. David do you recall the conversation you and I had via text message do I need to do I need to read it to you or do you do you have the. You can read it to me. Okay, I'm not. Well, let me allow me to speak because you said in the text message that you wanted to have this discussion because you made the made the claim that people who are still. Currently associated or those who have still have not denounced fraternities and sororities they're being demonized you said that we are demonized you said we're presenting misinformation that was your word so what misinformation is being presented. I'm reading from your ritual book. I'm not so once again. I will concede everything you say about that ritual book but once again, once I declare my confession of faith. That's an old employee. But you but you but you said that you identify yourself as a capper. You said that so I did. And the only reason why I did because once again I said this discussion really does need to happen. And if you recall, I said, you know, I'm not here to whatever. Yes, if she denounced that's fine. I have no problems with that. Everybody has a right to do whatever they want to. But I'm saying some you're saying that if we don't denounce I've already made my confession that I have to do something extra. And if I don't do that extra, then I'm in error. When all I'm saying is I've already made my faith of confession. So with that, that should be sufficient. And it is sufficient. But again, Xavier, you're the one that matter of fact, go ahead. Sergeant, go right ahead. Go right ahead, please. You may let me speak a little bit louder to make sure everybody can hear you go right ahead. Okay. Well, I did pledge to another God and that God was that goddess is Minerva on page 18 of the of the ritual book. Yes, ma'am. May the God of wisdom, peace and love go with you and abide with you always on page 27. It says Minerva, the goddess of wisdom bears the torch atop the shield. It says that Minerva is, where is that at? I missed it. Minerva is who guides us in wisdom and knowledge. So I did pledge to a God. I did, I did, you know, give my life to a God. And what the Lord showed me was that on judgment day and I got attacked by demons. I was at my best friend's house. Another friend's birthday party and I was at my best friend's house and I got attacked by a demon that night. And what the Lord showed me was that on judgment day. I'm saying I have done everything to be saved. I believe that the Lord that Christ died for my sins. And he rose again. I believe that I trust that. What the Lord showed me was that Satan said, but on April 8th of 2000, she wrote her name. She knelt before the altar for Delta Sigma Theta and wrote her name in that book. So therefore she belongs to me. That's what the Lord showed me. That's when I said I was done. Okay, Lord, I'm done. I'm out. So yes, you have pledged to something else. If you do not denounce, if you do not come out of that. You are in danger. Your soul is in danger. I mean, we can believe that, believe that, you know, Christ died for us. We know that. But if you are, if you have not denounced, if you have not renounced, if you have not given that up because the Lord said, I don't want to show. I want don't want anything else before me. And for years, I thought that before me went meant 12345. That's not what that means. He don't want to see it. He don't want to beside him in front of him, behind him, around him. He only want to see it. So if you do not denounce, if you are still a part of that, you, your soul is in danger. And that's what the Lord told me. Satan will say, will say to you on judgment day, she signed her name over to me. So that's when I decided, no, I'm coming out of this. David, Jesus says, yeah, please go right in. Sure. Sure. So once again, so what you're telling me that once I repented and confessed that I was a sinner and that I believe Jesus died on the cross for me. And through his resurrection, that I might have everlasting life that I need to do something else in addition to that is that's what you all are telling me. Here's what I'm telling you. Here's what I'm telling you, Xavier. I'm saying that repentance is an outward work of an inner reality. Okay. Let me give you a scripture. I'm just going to give you one. Just going to give you one. Acts chapter 19. Paul. Matter of fact, let me give you the context of it. And I want to make sure everybody hears me on this one. Acts chapter 19. And I'll start at verse 14, seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish priest. Matter of fact, we're doing this in this in the evil spirit answered and said to them. I recognize Jesus because they were they were casting out supposedly casting out demons under under under pretense and in the evil spirit said an answer to them. I recognize Jesus. And I know about Paul. But who are you? The man in whom was the evil spirit leaped on them and subdued all of them and overpowered them so that they fled out and that how of that house naked and wounded. This became known to all both Jews and Greeks who live in Ephesus and fear and fear fell upon them all and the name of the Lord Jesus was being magnified verse 18 verse 18 Xavier. Many also of those who had believed, who had believed kept coming confessing and disclosing their practices. Did you hear that Xavier? Okay, it says many who had believed who came to faith and Jesus Christ kept coming confessing and disclosing their practices. So one of the signs of repentance was renouncing and denouncing. And verse 19 says, and many of those who practice magic brought their books together and began burning them in the sight of everyone. And they counted the price of them and found it 50,000 pieces of silver. So that's just one. Okay, that's just one. If you're saying that denouncing or renouncing is not important or it's not a sign of genuine repentance or it shouldn't be a sign of genuine repentance. Then you're going to have to argue with a few other texts other than Acts 19 verses 18 and 19. You got to argue with 1 Thessalonians. You got to argue with that. You got to argue with Paul says that we renounced those things hidden. So as a Christian, why would you want to identify yourself with something? And matter of fact, Jesus says we're of the light. We're not of the darkness. Matter of fact, light and darkness don't occupy the same space. Therefore, if we're salt and light, then we are to be different from our neighbors. We are to be different from our unsaved counterparts. So again, I'm just asking you the question because I'm not here to try to make you do anything. That's the spirit's job. But what I want to do is to make and make sure you understand the number one, I'm not here to attack. I'm not here to demonize. I don't believe anybody has done that. What we are doing or what I strive to do is expose the enemy's works. And one of the ways he works is through deception. One of the ways he works is to minimizing those things that are an offense to God. So if your ritual book has a false God, you said it doesn't, but it does. I'm looking right at it. So either you are a capper or you're lying. No offense. I'm just saying because it can't be both. But Seiko, once again, so you're telling me once again that once I've made my confession that I have to do something extra. So basically telling me that there is no sufficiency in what Jesus did because you're telling me that I have to do something else. But you are telling me that I have to do something in addition to what I've already done so that it can show that I am safe. That's what you're saying. Xavier, let me ask you this question. Let me ask you this question. Do you know what repentance means? I sure do. What is repentance? I sure do. What is repentance? Repentance is metanoia. It changes one's mind. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Xavier, Xavier, hold on, brother, hold on, brother. All I'm asking you is you only gave one aspect. Don't stop there. You said... Okay. Can I say something here? Yeah, because he's not. Go ahead. Okay. All right. In the initiation ceremony, this is what the president reads. As sorrows, we now take up our solemn obligation to bond qualified candidates to commitments from which they may never be freed. My sorrows let us affirm the words of our sacred trust. So we may never be freed. It is to follow us to judgment is what it said. So I don't know why I can never be freed from this. That was my concern in this. What do you mean, never be freed? So this is when the Lord showed me that I signed my name on April 8th of 2000 in the book of Delta. I signed my name over to Satan. I signed my soul over to Satan. So again, let me ask... Let me see if Xavier wants to finish this thought. You said metanoia means change of mind. What else does it mean, Xavier? So metanoia, the change is one's mind. And I'm going to put it in context of me pledging. So I can see that I pledged to a great God. All right. At the moment that I decided that I was going to take my confession of faith and believe that Jesus rose from the dead. Through that, I have everlasting life or that I may have everlasting life. At that point, I was granted repentance and therefore I am saved. So anything I did before that is a done deal. So let me ask this question. Did Paul, the apostle Paul ever openly confess that he was a killer? Yes, he did. Okay, sure. You don't know it? Okay, no problem. I read Acts through and through to make sure... Well, he wrote Timothy too. Let me read it for you. I'm glad you asked that question. Let's go ahead and go there. I'm not going to share the screen because I don't want it to mess up. I think I do have it, but I don't want to take any chances on knocking anybody out. But I'll just go ahead and just read it. That way people just happen to listen in. But it's in 1 Timothy 1. Let's just start there. Verse 12, I thank Christ Jesus our Lord who has strengthened me because he considered me faithful, putting me into service. Even though I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and a violent aggressor, yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly and unbelief. And the grace of our Lord was more than abundant with the faith and love which are found in Christ Jesus. It is a trustworthy statement deserving full acceptance that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am foremost of all. Yet for this reason, I was found mercy so that in me as the foremost Jesus Christ might demonstrate his perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in him for eternal life. Now to the King, eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, the honor and glory forever and ever, amen. Amen. He talks about his past life. He said what he did to the church. As a matter of fact, you have Philippians chapter 3. He talks about it there. He talks about it in Galatians. So your question was what? It's still the same sake though. I've already acknowledged that I'm a sinner. I've already acknowledged that I did ungodly things. But wait a minute, wait, wait, wait. But you asked me the question. Hold on, you asked me the question. Did Paul ever say that he repented or that what he did, he had killed Christians or part of murdering Christians? And that is ready to you. So what was your point of asking that question? Once again. So he acknowledged his wrongdoing. I also acknowledged my wrongdoing. But you had asked the question as though he didn't. You had asked that question on the premise that you was assuming that he didn't. And I just showed it to you. So what was your purpose of asking the question? It's still the same sake though. What's the same? It's still the same. It's still the same. He acknowledged his wrongs. I acknowledged my wrongs. No, that's not what you said. But, yes, I'm always from the beginning. Publicly, publicly, publicly he did. So once again, I've already acknowledged my wrongs. But you're identifying with a fraternity though, Xavier. That's my point. I think that's the concern of everybody. If you're claiming that you've confessed your sins. That's like saying that you confessed your sins for cheating on your wife, but you're still creeping. No, that's not so no reason why I identified and said that I put it this way. No one, if I would have never took, no one knows or I don't identify, walk around with paraphernalia. I don't walk around with anything that identifies me as a Catholic. Matter of fact, when I teach preach, when I do anything, I never identify myself as a Catholic at all. But you did. The only reason why, just listen to me, there's a reason why. Because once again, what I heard was if you don't denounce, if you don't denounce. Because once again, a lot of people who have moved on, who truly, like myself, who are saved, moved on. We don't do the things we used to do. So we can go to 1st Corinthians, I think it's 313. I'm driving, so I can't do it. What's the verse that you're talking about? I mean, if you're going to present a position, then you should be able to defend it. I don't want to help you defend something that's... No, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, once again, since I'm driving. But I think 1st Corinthians 313 states that when I was a child, I thought as a child did and did as a child did. And now that I'm a man... Yeah, 1st Corinthians 13. Oh yeah, 13-3. Like I said, I'm driving. I'm driving. So 13-3, yes. So my point is saying that I have set aside those things. So once again, my whole point was not... And I said before I'm not here to defend whether somebody denounced or not. But I'm so far removed from... Like I said, I pledged over 32 years ago. There's nothing in my life that looks like what I did back then. So and if I decide to go to one of my fraternity brothers house for a cookout, there's nothing wrong with that. Can I stop you right there? Let me interject. You keep calling these people your fraternity brothers. So you haven't changed your... You haven't repented or metanoia. This is why I asked you the question at the beginning that you had got offended about. I said it's not just one aspect of repentance that we're talking about here, Xavier. It is also a change of manner of life. You are still identifying... You are still identifying according to scripture. You have not put away the old man. You are still identifying... According to scripture, Xavier. According to scripture. This is why we have this conversation. I'm asking you... Let me finish, brother. Let me finish, brother. I'm asking you a simple question. I'm asking you a simple question. Why are you only talking about one aspect of repentance when there's two sides of that same coin? You call these people your brothers. Jesus says people who are my brothers and sisters who do the will of my father. They're my brother and sister and mother. So how is a Kappa, an Alpha, a Zeta, or whatever? How is it the Divine Nine affiliated? Or why would the Divine Nine, which is not really Divine according to scripture, why would you associate or connect yourself or identify yourself with that which is of darkness? And call them your brothers. Can I ask a question? Proceed. The only reason why I do that is because I would be lying to you to say that if I did not steal fellowship with people that I pledged to it, that's number one. So I want to be transparent. So it's not to say, hey, even with that, we don't go around professing matter of fact. We pray in Jesus' name. We don't pray in Kappa name. We bury our dead in Jesus' name. We don't bury our dead in Kappa name. So once again, I only do that for the purpose that lets you know that, yes, I still do. Fellowship with fellow believers who still happen to be somebody who I pledge with. That's the only thing. I don't really think you're being honest right now though, Xavier. And I'm kind of disappointed that you come on here because one of the concerns I have about what you're saying, you're not even being consistent in your argument, okay? So let me see if I can ask you this way. What if I identify with the Church of Satan? What if I pledge to Satan? Because there's a church called Church of Satan, right? Am I correct, Xavier? Is there a church called Church of Satan? There is a church called the Church of Satan. Okay. Now I get saved. And I claim to profess my faith in Christ. Okay. Now, should I still consider my quote unquote, Satanic brethren, my brothers? Once again, I'm saying- Just say yes or no. Just say yes or no according to your logic. Based on your logic. Should I still identify with Satan's family if I'm out of the- According to Colossians 1, if he has transferred and delivered me out of the domain of darkness and transferred me to the kingdom of his beloved son in Colossians 1, should I still identify myself with Satan's kingdom and his brethren and his family? Okay. Can I interject here? May I interject here? Sure, go ahead. Okay. All right. So in Delta Sigma Theta, the chaplain says, we believe in a spiritual life, but we leave to the individual, the selection of the medium for its outward manifestation. So what that means is it don't matter. You can be a Buddhist, you can be Muslim, you can be whatever. We all are in Delta Sigma Theta together. Well, as a Christ-believing woman, I'm not supposed to be with people who believe otherwise. I'm not supposed to fellowship like that with people who do not believe in Christ. But in Delta Sigma Theta, it clearly says, basically telling, we don't care who your God is. We're all one. We're all Delta. Well, we're all supposed to be for Christ. That's who we're all supposed to be. Everything is in Delta's name, in Delta's name, not in Christ's name. We didn't do anything in Jesus Christ's name, not in Delta. We did everything in the name of Delta Sigma Theta. Anytime we went to community service, it was always in the name of Delta. Whatever we did, it didn't matter, in the name of Delta. Nothing was ever in the name of Jesus Christ. Matter of fact, there's a song or I can't even remember. I just remember it did not sit well with me. If you get to the Perligacean, you can't get in as a song or poem or something. You get to the Perligacean, you can't get in. Just show St. Peter your Delta pen. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So, okay. Thank you. Thank you, sis. I appreciate you even bringing that clarity because I'm reading your statement and what you're saying is in line with what I'm looking at in your own ritual book. So, I guess my question for you, though, Xavier, is you're calling these people your frat brothers. You're still identifying yourself with that which you claim that you don't really follow anymore. So, I'm asking biblically, biblically, where's the scriptural warrant for a Christian to identify themselves with that which the Lord has redeemed and supposedly delivered them from? If Second Corinthians chapter 6 verses 14 through 17 tells us, do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. Do you believe that the God Apollo is a false God? That it's not the true God? And I think maybe his signal may have lagged. So, I'll give him a minute. Can you hear my question? I did. I heard it. It's only one God's signal. But I can ask you a question. I'm going to ask you a question. I think the problem was when I switched screens. Keep rules 13-5 and I'm going to try to read it because I'm driving. No, no, no. We're not going to do that. I'll pull it up. I'll pull it up. You ain't going to blame me for getting halfway killed. Nope, nope, nope. Here it is right here. I would never leave you. That's the B part, the B cause of Hebrews 13-5. That's your point? I would never leave you. I would never leave you. I would never leave you. No, no, no. I would never leave you. You know what I ever forsake you? Are you talking about that? No, sir. Hold on. I got the rule. It's 13-3. 13-3, I'm sorry. Okay. Verse 3. Remember the prisoners? As though you have prison with them? Yes. Okay. Yes. are in the body? Yes, so it says remember the prisoners and my say everything from the King James remember those that are in bond as in bond with them and so what I'm saying is diversity as being yourselves also in the body. Uh huh. Yes, so my point and my point. Yeah, I want you to get to this one. We wait for your lag to finish because I want to see how you're going to exergy Hebrews 13 three. I'm really curious about this one because the them has a context. So hopefully I hope and pray to my true God that go ahead and say what what verse verse three of Hebrews 13. How do you interpret this text? Go ahead and tell me what this means. Yeah, remember those that's who you was. Remember those like to say the prisoners the ones that you was in bond with. Remember them as you as a fellow bond so that you was in prison with them. So how I take it is that although I've come out, there's other brothers that are still having problems with a their salvation, their understanding of what it means to be safe, be what it means to be living on the grace. So why would I not reach back out to them and help them to see what I see? But you don't see and neither do they. And verse three has nothing to do. Verse three has nothing to do with fret. No sorrows. That's I said Jesus. Sir, I didn't say had anything to do. It has something to do with anybody. So why are you citing this? Why are you citing this? For the exact reason, but I say you didn't say anything. You're inserting your view into a text that has nothing to do with this. These are believers. These are second generation Jews who are being persecuted for their faith. Okay, this has nothing to do with secret societies or frescoes or sororities, bro. I'm not understanding what and far you to my helping them come out. You're not out. Okay, you're still you're still bound. So I'm not understanding. I mean, you had me bring you on this live because you told me that you wanted to present your case. And because we are misrepresenting and demonizing people. And I have yet to show you have yet to show me know I know have I been convinced of your position. You're not telling me how we've deminized demonize anyone, especially if I'm reading. I'm reading your documents. You're demonizing me. How am I demonizing you? You're still telling me that I'm still worshiping a God. You basically telling me that Jesus is not enough for me. When I'm consistently saying, yes, you are. You said I'm still worshiping another God. David, you're the one to call these people your brothers. I didn't say I didn't tell them that you were your you were their brothers. You said my frat brothers. You said that you said even fellowship, you said fellowship. So my question is, how do you interpret what you made? No, no, no, no, no. What the matter of fact, I ain't going to ask you how you interpret because we already see that. What does second Corinthians chapter six versus 14 through 17 say? Is he giving is Paul by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit giving us a suggestion or is he giving us a sovereign command from the from the living God on how Christians are not to align themselves with anything outside of Christianity? And that includes frats and sororities. Okay. So once again, you're telling me that it's not okay for me to reach back and try to help someone to see that they need Jesus. Xavier, how can you reach back when you're in quick sand yourself, brother? How are you reaching back? You still stuck yourself. You're not reaching back to anybody. Hey, I can guarantee you I'm not stuck. You're trying to tell me I'm not stuck. You're trying to tell me that I need something else beyond Christ. I never said that. I never said that. But you keep saying that. You keep saying that. Tell me what am I saying? Tell me what did I just say? Tell me what I just said. You said I'm still stuck myself. So by saying that, you're telling me that I'm still worshiping another God. Xavier, I asked you to give your statement regarding Kappa Alpha Sinai. You said that you have pledged. And although you claim that you are not following any of the rich, matter of fact, you said that you don't follow any of this stuff. So then I gotta kind of know and make myself incarnate and reincarnate myself rather and to Sister Tiffany that was on the live the other day. Then are you a true new? Because I don't know. Again, all I'm saying is this real quick. I know of no frat nor sorrow who would ever say the stuff that you said publicly. I don't. Again, and maybe there's some people here. I don't know. Sister Aldra, if you know of anybody, if anybody in the comments, again, school me because I'm just hosting. I'm just sitting here giving people the opportunity to clarify themselves. But so far, Xavier, you're not doing a good job even defending what you're claiming to defend because I'm reading your documents. I'm reading your documentation. And you're telling me as a Kappa, oh, I don't follow this stuff. We don't do any of that stuff. We don't worship any but but Apollo is your is your is right here. It says right here. I'm reading it. So when when I came to the when I decided that I was going to leave Delta, but I was over Delta Academy, which, you know, works with the young girls and teaching young girls. So when we would have the meetings, our monthly meetings, what I decided to do was because we were still having a virtual, I'm just not going to log in until after we do the ritual. So here I am thinking that that, you know, that was enough. I'm not going to to do the rituals because this, you know, it's a whole lot that you're whole lot of stuff you're saying. I'll just come in after the rituals and everything is is, you know, read and done. And then I'll log out just before they do the closing rituals. So I'm really thinking that was enough for me not to just to do any of that. It wasn't enough because I was still associating myself with the sorority. I was still going, you know, going to events or, you know, going to whatever we were doing, whatever we had, I was still serving my nerve a bottom line. I was still doing that. I just decided I wasn't going to do the rituals. It still didn't matter. The Lord still showed me your name is still written in Satan's book. That's what he showed me. And that's why I came out. That's why I denounced and decided to come out. So again, you're bound. Go ahead. Would you say, go ahead. Say it again, Xavier. Can I respond? Please. Psycho, I haven't been since I graduated college. I haven't been to a fraternity meeting period since the doctor was trying to tell you when I was an undergraduate. Yes, I was about that light. After that, married with kids, got a job, I worked. I've been to a fraternity meeting since then. Not one. So if you, so if you're trying to tell me once again, so you're talking about meetings, I don't, I haven't participated in anything like that. That's why I keep telling you. I got saved. Say go. So I mean, you can go to a meeting though. If they say, well, you know, I don't know, they made someone may invite you. Let's say you go out of town and your frat say, you know, we got a meeting coming up this Saturday. I want you to go with me. You can still go. They'll let you in. Now, you know, you can't participate. Well, I know in Delta that, you know, you can't say too much because it's, you know, you are from out of town, but you can still go. I can't go. I don't want to go. I don't want to go. I don't want to once again. Let me say this. Let me say this. Let me say this. So Paul could have still killed someone if he wanted to after he got saved, but he didn't. So that doesn't mean anything about what I do. Yes, it is. Because when you go, you're going to do the ritual. I haven't went anywhere. I haven't went anywhere. I haven't had the desire. Why still be a part of it? Why still be a part? Wow. Because you're identifying yourself as a Catholic. My name is Davey and I am a Catholic. So actually only I believe in Jesus Christ, but I am a Catholic. Actually, I did not. When I first came on, my first statement identification was actually exhaust from that. I'm saying that I'm a believer in Christ. That was my first, but that was my first, but you also identified yourself. Yes. Now for the record, for the record, I had, I had introduced both of y'all. Remember at the beginning of the show, I introduced both of y'all and what did I call you, Audra? What did I say you were? I said, I said, I said, you were a Delta. You said, oh, no, no, I'm a former. She made that perfectly clear of what she is and no longer is. You, Xavier, you said that you are a Catholic. That's what you said. I asked you the question. I said, do you identify as a Catholic? You said, yes, I do. So what, what am I to do with that? Say, go. That was for once again, for discussion with this discussion, Xavier. Hold on, Xavier. Hold on, Xavier. Wait a minute, Xavier. I need you to wait a minute, Xavier. I need you to wait a minute, because now I need to ask you a question before I had to let you go, because it seems to me, you're not being honest. You're not being, you're not being, you're not being consistent here. And I don't want to waste my time if you're going to do this. So let me just ask you again for the record and for everyone here that's watching this and we'll watch this later. You identify as a Catholic. Yes or no? Yes. Okay. Thank you very much. So that's all I really, that's all I had brought you on for. You said you are currently a Catholic. You said you have not denounced it. This sister says she is no longer a Delta and she wanted to give her reasons why she has denounced the sorority. You said you wanted to give your reasons why you are still a Kappa and why you believe people are demonizing those who have not denounced fraternates and sororities. Did you not say that to me? Yes. Okay. So let's stay on topic then, because if that's the case, I'm asking you a simple question or series of questions. Where have we demonized you? Or I mean to say, no, you said I did. So how have I demonized you? If I'm taking your words, you've identified yourself as a Kappa, which is a godless, which is a godless organization whose God is Apollo, the sun god. That's who you have identified yourself with. And it says right here, candidates for acceptance into this fellowship are required to kneel at the sacred altar of Kappa Alpha Psi and repeat the oath. Page 23. Did you do that? Yep. Say go. Did you ever do that? Did you ever do that? Did you ever do that? Say go. I'm already I already told you. I believe Jesus is my God. That's not what I ask. That's not what I ask you. That's not what I ask you. That's it. I'm asking you. I'm asking you. I'm asking you. Okay. So is this statement in this ritual book for your fraternity that you have yet to denounce, that you don't believe you needed to denounce? I'm just asking you. Did you do this? Yes or no? Say go. We can end it because I already told you. I'm going to believe in Jesus. Jesus. That's not what I I didn't ask you there, brother. What I'm asking you is, based on your ritual book, why is it that this sister can answer my questions but you can't? Because I've already answered that question. You didn't answer the question. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. Let me say this. Let me say this. Say go. I can see that everything in that spiritual book is true, but that is irrelevant for me today. It's not. I worship Jesus. It's not irrelevant. Well, you tell me I worship Jesus. It's not irrelevant. Here's why it's not irrelevant because you still identify yourself with a fraternity that you yourself do not feel you need to denounce or leave. Because I've already repented of my sins and confessed. Yes. And you don't know what to say that Jesus is my Lord and say, and I want to teach you about that. Brother, you don't you don't know what repentance means then because it's obvious you don't. And that's the sad reality. I know you disagree, but you disagree, but you disagree with scripture. You're not disagreeing with me because I'm not the one to make it. I wrote it. I just wrote it. I'm not disagreeing with scripture. Yes, you are. Because okay, so let me ask. Let me ask Audrey then because maybe I can get I can get better, better answers from her. So sister, what I'm asking is this repentance. How did you repent? What was or let me put it this way is what I'm saying to this brother regarding both organizations that have been steeped in paganism and demonology. You decided to denounce and to come out of that, which was profane and unholy and so have countless other Christians. Why do you believe that this is such a battle or brothers and sisters like Xavier find it to where we're demonizing them or attacking them because I'm not attacking. I'm stating what he said and I'm saying, okay, well, according to scripture, it does not align. So had you ever had struggles like that before you came out? I mean, walk us through that. I guess walk us through that journey for a minute. I mean, did you just immediately just come out of it? Had you had people try to help you and you was kind of like pushing back to or how did that work? No, I immediately understood that I was wrong. I immediately understood that I was out of order. So it wasn't it was when I saw all of my love AOML under a caption picture from my birthday party that I realized that I'm giving all of my love to Delta Sigma theta when the Lord has commanded me to give all of my love to him. But there's no way I can do both. And I realized that so I immediately understood that so there was no going back and forth with me now. There was a it took me a while to denounce to denounce. I was slow about denounce and I'll say that not because I because I was over Delta Academy and I had a had an obligation. So I wanted to, you know, finish that obligation. I wanted to do that. But the Lord showed me I could not do that. I couldn't do that. And it's fit to be blessed by him. It's fit to be to be serving him. I was, you know, I was lying. I was I mean, I was just being I was lying about who I was. I was not in Christ. I was lukewarm. That's what you want to call it. I was I was lukewarm one foot in one foot out. And I know that's not how it was supposed to be. So no, and I have heard countless denouncement videos. I'd never heard of anybody denouncing. I did not know what that was. I just decided just one day that I heard this cute little girl come on and she denounced Delta. So I'm listening to it. And then after that, I just kept seeing videos. Not one time have I heard anybody demonize anyone for come for coming out. Now, what I have heard is those of us who are denouncing being demonized, why we got to know you doing too much. You know, you just want attention and, you know, that kind of stuff that I've heard. But I am not in all the videos that I've listened to and I've listened to a lot not hurting about anybody demonize anyone for staying in. So then my question is, and let me bring Xavier back off on you because he was hearing some feedback in there. Xavier, Nikki asked, I don't know if you can see the screen because I want to distract him from driving. But she says this in the in the in the comment. She says, quote, in the spiritual realm that covenant he made to Apollo via Kappa is still legal and binding until he breaks it by denouncing it until he does. It appears that he is trying to serve two masters, end quote. That's not true. That's not scripture. No, it's not. That is not scripture. Oh, so you have, do you have scripture? Do you have scripture Xavier? That is not scripture at all. It really is not. Okay, tell us what is scripture? What is scripture then? Yeah, John 316. God so loved the word that he gave his only begotten sign that whosoever believed in him shall have everlasting life. That's scripture. I believe it. I don't believe in any other God. It's only one God. But, but, but John 316. Yeah, it is because you're not interpreting that scripture in accordance with this conversation. That's nothing to do with this. Nothing at all. Nothing at all. You're talking about an event. I'm talking about the effects of your so-called event because if I'm saved, if I believe what God did, then it's going to show about what I do as a result of what God did. So that means go ahead. So then you're judging me and I'm not saying that you can't. So don't get me. That's not what I'm saying. You don't know what I've done in terms of what fruit or what not I have because I am a believer. So for you to sit here and say that, that's disingenuous. How's it disingenuous? I'm just taking, I'm just stating what you made, you made your comments on and I'm judging it according to scripture. Once again, my whole point is I've already confessed. I've already did all that. So right now, if I do it just because Seiko wants me to do it, then Seiko becomes my God. No sir, no sir. Because you said yes sir, yes sir, because Seiko feels that I haven't did enough. So then I'm beholded to Seiko, but Christ is my God. First Corinthians, 2nd and 29th is you cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of devils. You cannot be partakers of the Lord's table and of the table of devils. And I agree with that. I don't agree with that. No you don't. Here's the reason and I'm glad she read my notes because she looked over my shoulder as I was looking at 1st Corinthians 10. So stop cheating, Audrey. But anyway, no. But no, she makes an excellent point because that was one of the verses that I was going to cite and I'm glad she said that. Here's the issue that I'm having with you, brother. You're claiming that we are attacking you. You're claiming that I'm judging you falsely. You're claiming that I'm adding something to what the scriptures don't add. No, what I'm telling you is, what I'm telling you, what I'm telling you is, is that a true follower of Christ, repentance is more than just a mindset. You keep talking about one side of the coin. There's two sides of that repentance coin. Two, it's turning from to Christ, turning from your sin to Christ. It's not just one. It ain't just, oh, I feel bad. Oh, I repent. Okay. John says, bare forth fruits in keeping with repentance. And then in that same text, in that same text, David in Luke chapter three, he gives examples. He gives several examples to different individuals, to soldiers, to average individuals, to those in positions of power, all of that. He says, okay, if you've truly repentant, then this is how you are to show your repentance. Now, I didn't say that, brother. God wrote that. I'm just quoting what he wrote. So you can't take... Finish reading. Finish reading. Finish reading. Finish reading what? You want me to read Luke three? You talking about that? No, no, no, no, no. Finish reading within that, because that said that you was... It is like the specifics of that. That's what you're saying. Wait, I didn't hear what you said. You say what now? That didn't say you had to denounce after you've already made a confession. Brother, they did. That's the whole point. That's what repentance is. That's one of the aspects of repentance. What are you talking about? They did. I'm truly repentant. Trust me on that. Well, I can't trust that because... You think I'm a liar. That's fine. That's fine. Well, because what you're saying and what you're saying and what your documents say are two different things and what you said are your mouth. It contradicts what the scripture says. Follow those documents. I follow... The only I read is the Bible. Xavier, you just came on this vibe and you identified as a Kappa. You were identifying as a Kappa. I didn't identify you as a Kappa. You did. So, all right, Seiko, you asked me. I read the text that you wrote to me. And so I read it. So, for conversation sake, you said, are you a Kappa? And I said, yes, I'm acknowledging for the conversation. For the conversation. So, are you a Kappa or not? Listen to what I'm saying. I'm not saying I follow only one God, Seiko. So, my only purpose is to tell you, why should I have to denounce something when I've already repented? I'm already living a different life. But you're telling me because I didn't do this one specific thing that, therefore, I cannot be a Christian. I cannot be saved. I'm like... Xavier, Xavier, Xavier, Xavier, tell me, show me anywhere in this conversation that I said that you're not a Christian. When did I say that? Tell me when. By the mere fact that you're telling me... No, no, no. I don't want no mere. I'm asking for actual. I want the actual statement that I made that I said that you're not a Christian. Tell me why now I said that. Seiko, when you say I'm following another God, you're telling me I'm not a Christian. Well, that's what your fraternity does. Your fraternity says that they follow their worship. I'm not here to defend Lord Seiko, but once again, I'm saved. Why are you here? Why are you here? Because you're wasting our time. I need to find somebody that's going to actually hold 10 toes down to their frat. Because, apparently, you keep hopscotching. And I don't want no hopscotches on my life. From the beginning, I've said that once I've made my confession of faith, those things are left behind. I'm not hopscotching with that. That's an appropriate response. It's not an appropriate response. You call these people your brothers. I'm not covering for them. You just did. Man, I won't cover. No, I did not. I said once I made my confession, that's not covering for anybody. Seiko, once again, then I'll be disillusioned. I don't think you came on me. I think you really came on here to make an example, to be a scene. That's what I think you came on. You didn't really come on here to actually have a biblical conversation and try to defend. Because really not. Because I think you came on here because, number one, now people are going to know who you are again, unfortunately. And then number two, I feel like you're wasting my time. Because the whole purpose that I brought you on was for us to have a conversation and look at the documents, the documents, and to see how these documents align. You keep moving goalposts in your own philosophy and your own way of thinking. And I'm saying, here's what you said over here. Here's what your ritual book says over here. Here's most importantly, here's what the Bible says. How do you square with that? And then your retort is, I'm judging you. I'm demonizing you. No, that's the spirit of God. It ain't me. I'm just saying what the Word of God says. Then you talk about repentance and you only present one side of that coin. And you only talk about what you thought you did in your head, but your manner of life. You don't want to denounce it. You're making it clear. I don't, why should I have to do it? Why would you want to do it? Why would you not want to do it? Say go. Say go. But see, that's where you're, that's where the lie is. You don't know me. So therefore, you don't know the fruits of his life through me. So that's what I'm trying to tell you. Have you denounced it? So have you denounced it? That's where have you denounced it? Have you denounced my faith? I didn't ask you that. Have you denounced your paternity? I've already made a confession on my faith. So you haven't denounced it? I've already made a confession on my faith. So by your own default, because you refuse to answer the questions, so that means you're defending your own premise. So you already made it clear that you didn't. No, I answered your question. You didn't because everybody knows that you still identify as a threat. You made it clear on the other lie that you did. So, and that's fine. I'm just saying, just be honest about what you believe. Don't play these games and don't waste my time on my show. Don't do that. Christ is my savior. I mean, it's time so I have to say it. So here's the thing, because I'm not really sure we're getting anywhere with you. So if there's any capers out here that are watching this that will be open and honest and be willing to have a conversation about the documents that you, that you have pledged to, please email me at sacredwizayaw.com. Please do that. That way we can have a conversation. Because this is not going to be the last time that I have a, well, I'm having, I'm trying to have a dialogue. I'm having a dialogue with Audrey. But once again, it's unfortunate because for me, I want to talk about the documentation. I want to talk about the, the statements that are made in these writings, in these rituals. You don't want to, you don't want to address it. Audrey is saying, yes, this is what we believe. This is what we, this is what I pledged to. I know this is what these things say because I, I have done these things and I don't do them anymore. You're not being consistent. Audrey is, and those are the individuals that I at least want to have conversations with, whether, whether they are involved or in the fraternity and sorority themselves, or they are not. But you, sir, are not even willing to even do that. You tell me, I can see, can see to what you haven't, you haven't denounced anything. You're defending that with you claiming that you don't have to denounce. I haven't defended anything. Okay. Once again, I said, once I make my statement of confession of faith, all those things are behind me. All right. So then I guess, I guess we're done with you on that. I appreciate you, Zaver. Have a good night. All right. Okay. So let's do this. Because I can't, I can't continue wasting more time with that. We can't waste more time with that. So let's, let's, let's continue on with this. And again, for those who are watching this, this live and are watching the stream and watch the replay, we're trying to have a conversation and those who have denounced, and even those who had not, we welcome you, I welcome you on to the, to the, to the stream, and to the, to the show, and to the broadcast. So, Audra, again, I want to ask you regarding the, the sorority of Delta. What has your relationships been after you had came out? Have you, had you maintained any friendships? Have anybody, you know, I guess distanced themselves from you? Don't no longer, no longer associate themselves with you? Or how has that been going, going forward in your life? Okay. What I said to the sorority when I denounced in front of them, I am still going to be Audra. So when I see you, I'm still going to, you know, greet you with open arms. That is up to you whether you decide to do that or not. So that's the way I played that. And I meant that. And I've seen several, sometimes they speak and, you know, I've seen some turning go the other way. Now, I had to have a couple of conversations, one with a good friend of mine. She is, she's, she started treating me and like I said to her, nice, nasty. And so I had to confront her about that. We, we had a long heated conversation. She told me I was doing too much and why can't you just leave? Why? I mean, I don't understand why you're having to say this. So I had to reiterate to her as loud as I came in and I'm going to go out, you know, even louder because what we were doing, it was wrong. Now, I had to leave my church because my church was full of, I was in the choir and the choir director was AKA. And she stood up in front of everybody. I denounced that church probably a month or so before, a couple of months before. And she stood up and said that her, I don't even know why she said this. Her sorority does not come first. God comes first in her life. So of course I had to confront her after that. You know, why are you, everybody knew you was talking to me because I'm the only person who answered now. The choir was full of deltas and AKA's and sigmas or whatever. So why are you saying that? But no, I was just talking about me. I had to leave the church after that because it was a big falling out. And then sometime after I lived in the pastor poses, it comes across my feet. He posed with some omegas. He's not an omega, but he posed with them in the church. So I guess they had a Q day in the church or something. I don't know. So, yeah. So, but otherwise, you know, when I see someone, you know, they'll speak. I haven't had, because they know, they know me. They know, you know, anything I say, you don't have to worry about somebody coming back to tell you because I've already told you. Oh, you wanted them sisters. You wanted them. Okay. I'm just going to be Aldrum will be me. So, you know, that's up to you whether you speak or not, you can keep it short if you want to. That's fine. You know, that's fine. But there have been some who have distanced themselves. And I had one to call me when I put my letter up on the letter that I received from from NHQ. I got the letter on December 31st, but I didn't know I had it until the day before Founder's Day. Founder's Day is when we're 13. So I just happened to be in my emails trying to clear up my emails and I saw the letter. I didn't know I had it. So I posted it saying that, you know, I literally came into 22, you know, fresh and new. Yeah. She told me I needed to take it down. Why are you doing this? You need to take it down. I'm afraid for you of what's going to happen with NHQ. Well, I'm not afraid of so no, I'm not taking it down. This is what the Lord told me to do. So I'm not taking it down. And I didn't I left it up. So how has your has your faith? How has your faith grown? I guess, were there any moments of doubt, any moments of like, you know, hesitancy or anything like that? I mean, when you when you knew you just knew that was it. You just have to tap out. I was just slow about coming out. What happened? I was getting ready to have my first grandbaby. And she was born in October. So I told the president I can't do Delta Academy until January. I'm not going to do it until January. Sheep, my grandbaby, that was the excuse I used. I'll say that I didn't. I didn't want to do it. But then in January, I started working with Delta Academy. And I love absolutely love working with Delta Academy. So then I'm thinking, Okay, well, well, Lord, this is what I'll do. I'll just, you know, come back next year and train the next person on how to do it, right? Because I love Delta Academy. I did a lot of stuff with it. I mean, a lot. And I wanted it done right. So I'm going to train the next person. That's when I got attacked by the demons. Wow. So and you mentioned, you mentioned you're married, right? I wanted to make sure I acknowledge your husband as well, too. So you're married, correct? Yes. Okay. How has so when you were you a sorrow when you were, I'm assuming you was a sorrow when you were married too, right? Am I correcting the dates on that or you mean my first marriage or this one? No, you had, you had a denouncing 2021 you said, right? When I met him, I was on my way out. Okay. And I was on my way out. Okay. Okay. So, so how did he, I guess, how did he, you know, respond to all of this? I mean, because he knew that you were at first and then you was on your way out at the time as well, too? Well, he didn't under, he didn't understand it. He didn't know, I mean, he knew about Sirajima Chumper. He didn't get it. We had some friends. We're both from the same hometown. And he had some friends to come up to meet me, even though I knew those friends because of I play basketball in high school, but I didn't know those friends, you know, I knew who they were. They knew who I was. We were, we went out to eat and one of the sorority sisters was there. As I was leaving, I made the Delta call to her. You know, even though I was on my way out, I still made the Delta call to her when we got home later on that night. He said, what in the world was that you, what kind of sound was that you were making? You know what you were saying? So he was like, that was a blood call or a group call or something. Oh, man, I'm kind of game or something. Immediately, my cousin, Jason came to my mind. I've been, I was in Delta for 21 years. Every time I would go back home and I run into my cousin, Jason, he would say to me, have you come out of that gang yet? Are you still in that gang? I see you still in that gang every time. You know, Jason, I'm not in a game. I am not in a game. So it wasn't until then that I realized, oh my gosh, this, this is an organized game. Man. Yeah, it wasn't until my, well, he was my fiance that time was because he was a what in the world. So yeah. Well, see, again, this is why I think conversations like this are important. And then I think I would say this, I'm pretty sure you're able to see clearer now that the Lord has removed the blinders, you know, completely, huh? Yeah. I mean, I even, I see a whole bunch of things different. I see the world differently. I see it from a biblical standpoint. I mean, I've political views are completely different now. Everything is just different. Wow. Wow. So it's like what Paul says, if any man being Christ, he's a new creation, old things that pass away, behold, all things become new. Yes. And so I do want to touch on something that, that Xavier said, please, please something about the Mason that is not part of that. Now, before I met my husband, I was, I had gone out with a guy and he said to me and another friend of mine who is also getting ready to denounce, he said to us, and I didn't quite understand what he meant until I started listening to, to denounce and videos. He said, so both of y'all are Delta's and yeah, okay, well, if you, you need to get an understanding of where it came from. And I said, what, what do you mean? He said, y'all ever thought about becoming an Eastern star? And she and I both looked at each other. I said, no, I'm not interested in that. Then why are you a Delta? What? I didn't, I didn't get what he was saying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He said, well, until you're an Eastern star, until you decide to do that, you won't even understand where Delta came from. And so we just, I was like, okay, I had no idea what he meant until I started listening to all the denouncement videos. Oh my gosh, this is connected to Masonry. I learned as a kid that Masons were not of God. They used to, we had a few huge parades when I was growing up. And at the end of the parade, these little, the men were riding these little cars. And I learned then those were the Shrinos or whatever they were, those men were not of God, what they're doing. They think they're of God, but they're not. I learned that as a kid. So when I understood that Delta's that all of them are connected to Masonry, and I was like, yeah, no, I'm out of this. There's no way I'm gonna stick with this. Wow. That's, see, again, and so, so like you had mentioned, you know, you had said that, well, no, Xavier was acting as though Freemasons are not interconnected with Fress and Sorrows. And I had two brothers on last week that showed the connection and even sometimes the overlap between those two, you know, organizations or whatever. And so again, you know, I try to give people opportunity to defend or clarify or either, you know, amend whatever their positions. And hopefully, again, I hope and pray that people will be able to, to ever have dialogue and conversations like this, especially those who are in it. You know what I'm saying? I know people, I got family members who are still a part of this stuff, you know, they know how I'm moving, how I get down as far these things. But you know, but if I got sure it's like if I have your Bible or your beliefs, you know, your system of beliefs, and I'm reading it to you, and I'm asking you, is this true? No, it's not true. Wait a minute. Okay. So are you saying that the document is a lie? No, I'm not saying, I'm saying, well, what are you saying? That's like, I'm a Christian and you're reading to me the scriptures. Now, unless, unless you're twisting it, then I can, I can contest that. But if you're not, then it seems to me, there's some disingenuousness with, with this, with what, you know, with what Xavier was saying. Let's, let's move on a little bit and then we'll, we'll touch on a few other points. And then I won't hold you too long. But you had mentioned your church was, were they, were they affiliated with the fraternity of sorority, or did they welcome frats and sororities? What was their, what was the reason why you decided to leave the church? How long were you there? And what was the impetus and what was precipitated you to leave? Oh, I had been there a while. I don't know, probably since like 2007 or eight, I think. We, yeah, we have several in the church who are members of the sorority, but we would have days where the deltas would go come to church or like the AKA's hail their meetings there, the chapter meetings there. And I think the sigmas did too. I'm not, they had some kind of stuff going on. But I, after the incident with the, with the choir director is what, when I decided to leave, we were, because it was just like everybody was just the, not everybody, just a couple, her and a couple more were just against me. Like the church secretary, I was trying to set my date for my wedding or reserve the, the life center for the wedding. She went to Holland and screaming at me about it. And that's because she and the other, the other friend whom I said I had to have a long conversation with, she and the choir director, they're all like this. So I understand why she was yelling at me. And I had to, you know, confront her about that. I had to call her and you never had an ill word from me. Why are you yelling and screaming at me? I don't understand this. So I just knew, you know, the, the, the atmosphere had become hostile. And I knew that there was just no way I was going to be able to stay. There was no, there was just no, I was going to be able to stay after, after, after all of that happened, she got up and said what she said, I couldn't stay. And then the, you know, the pastor, of course, will, will be here if you need us is what he said to me. Oh, it's like that. Okay. Okay. Okay. I think we know what that means. Let me ask, let me ask you this question. And I wanted to play a clip real quick and get your reaction to this. But one of the, one of the chants I've heard Delta saying correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not trying to take you too, too far back, but they'll say what is a Delta is that they'll say what is a Delta something like that and a Delta is something that's such an eight and it's like they would, they would, they would praise themselves or put themselves on a pedestal to be above other sororities. So it seemed like it was more so like competition or, or people that were in these, that are in these groups that would look down on other, you know, sororities and things of that nature. I'm not sure if, if you, you know, recall or ever remember any of those types of, any of those types of chants they have been, you know, have been uttered before. Yeah. They all do that. All of them do that. Yeah. What is a Delta Delta is what a, I don't know the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. What something about it want to be what a Q can't get enough of, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Because I, because I was reading, I was reading this book and actually, I'll tell people, I can tell people where it where to find it. It's actually the book called African American fraternities and sororities, the legacy in the, in the, in the vision African American fraternities and sororities, the legacy and, and division for people who will try to act as though this man don't know what he's talking about. It's, it's field of footnotes and receipts and documentation. I mean, it's, it's, it's jam packed and it's, it's very, it's a very good read. I'm still reading some of it now, but but he goes into the history of the different, you know, organizations, the frats and the sorrows, the founders and things of that nature. And, and how a lot of these, a lot of these, these, these are the divine nine is, is so intermesh with churches. And I'm like, it's like, it's a way of life. And, and, and to contest what, what Xavier had said, I know for a fact, especially when it comes to fraternities and, and, and the Freemasons, if you're a part of one of those groups and somebody dies, they come to your funeral. And they're going to, they want to have an opportunity to speak and, and to basically have a, have a, you know, a platform to, to, I guess you can say to eulogize that, that quote unquote brother. Right, right. So when I, when I sent my, I sent an email out to my former line sisters just before I walked into the chapter meeting, because I didn't want to tell them ahead of time because one of my, one of my line sisters mother is heavy into it. So I didn't want, you know, anything to get out beforehand. Well, afterwards I get an email from the leader of the Minerva circle when I pledged. And in that email, she told me that it was unfortunate as your sister in Christ and your, you know, Soror, I just want to let you know that if you do not want the Omega mega service done at your funeral, then you need to make sure your will is updated. What is what she told me? Really? Yeah, my whole response was, I wish y'all would. First of all, you got to deal with my four children. And now you got to deal with my new husband. So I wish y'all would pull up if you want to, huh? Yeah, my husband not going to let that, but those, those four children of mine, you're not getting past none of them. What are they? What are the ages? By the way, what are the ages? Miranda is 30. Miranda's 30s. Dan is 20. No, no, no, no, Miranda's 31. Gosh, the girl just turned 31. Stan is 29. Sierra is 28 and Caleb just turned 25. Wow. A blessing. So I want, I want to get your reaction. Now, none of them are members of any sorority or fraternity. And this is how I know this stuff. You don't need that stuff. You just don't move it because they, they all received a full scholarship to college, all four of them just got out, got their college pay for it. Had nothing to do with the sorority. All of them got jobs and nothing to do with sorority or fraternity. But that's what the fraternity promises, you know, that, or, you know, that's the, that's the, I don't know, that's, you know, what they say. The benefits. Yeah. Well, that didn't help me when I, when I needed a job. It didn't help me. Really? Wow. Wow. Well, let me do this. Let's, let's, I want to get your reaction when you was talking about the church. And actually, I'm going to give everyone the disclaimer. This is the former church that my wife and I family, we had attended. And we had decided to leave before things got bad and it's getting worse. And I'll address that a little bit sometime tomorrow. But I want to get your reaction to this and, and, and tell me how would you respond if you were to, to see this? And I want to give a quick shout out to the Zetas. And I'm hoping on this messing up the betas who are here representing. If I said that properly, I want to say Zetas and sigmas, forgive me, I didn't step. I want to say thank you for joining us here at Impact Church of the Woodlands. We're so delighted that you're here. Hey, we want to say again, welcome to the Zetas and the sigmas. We're glad that you're here. We're glad that you came to grace us with your presence. We're delighted you came. I'm a son of five new pie, but we are glad to have you. We thank you and we're glad that God brought you into our sanctuary this morning. Thank you so much for being here to grace you to grace us with your presence. I mean, I went to plenty of those the deltas. We have, especially, you know, if one of those sorority sisters was speaking, we would all up in droves. And so of course, we would stand and be acknowledged and take the picture afterwards all in the sanctuary, the one of the pyramid and all that in the sanctuary. In the sanctuary. Yeah. I did that at plenty many. I would leave church and, you know, I know the aka that was there, we would leave church going to a sorority meeting or going to, especially when initiation was going on. Yeah, leave church for that. Wow. Now, so let me let me ask you this question then because I believe that some people would say, um, what would you what would you say to those who would say, you know what sister or brother, you know, it's hard to find a church out here nowadays and you leave me a church for that. You leave me a church over just, you know, fraternity or something. I mean, what's the, I mean, you ain't got to be a part of it. You don't have to, you know, you don't have to play us to it. I mean, why do you why would you leave a church if they're preaching the word and if they're, you know, going out and making disciples and stuff. But, you know, so what they're, they're tied to fraternity or whatever, what would be your response to your comment, you know, to those who may be, you know, taking what we're saying is being, you know, over the top and not all that important or serious. Okay. So what I said to the former choir members who called me and told me I needed to come back, uh, I sang in a choir singing is what I do. The director of the choirs and AKA, there's no way I could stay there and because singing is what I do. There's no way I could stay there and let her direct the choir and I know she's in error. I can't stay under that. It was, I, you know, my spirit would not, the law would not allow me to stay under that. Yeah. And no, and know that she's in error. She's directed the choir. I couldn't do it. The law wouldn't let me do it. And, you know, the first time my husband went with me to church when we were dating, I said to him, and I don't even remember what was going on, what made me say this to him. I don't know how much longer I'm going to be at this church. I don't know why I said that, but I don't know what was going on, but I know I was dealing with the sorority, you know, leaving the sorority and I said to him, I don't know how much longer I'm going to be at this church. Because your spirit was being grieved and vexed and things like that. I'm assuming. I figured it would be. So we about to wrap up. I wanted to just with two things. Number one, I wanted to thank you for being a part of this of this, you know, discussion. I told you it was going to be easy. I told you that. I told you once you got going, you'd be I tell you once you get in the pocket, you'd be good to go. But you know, aside from the little hiccup we had at the initial first hour, I guess you can say, you know, I think people will be able to press through that. But that's the first I wanted to thank you for that. And also to let your husband know, I appreciate you letting us have some time out of your family schedule to do that. If people want to reach out to you, how could it if you don't mind if people want to reach out to you and connect with you? Because I believe what you have said may resonate with other other sisters in Christ and maybe even some brothers who may have family members and sisters or even mothers and those who may need to be encouraged and exalted to make that change and come out and be separate. So is there a way for people to reach out to you and contact you? Yeah, they can email me at audrarozarratyahoo.com. All right. And we'll let you put that in the in the in the in the in the chat moderators. You put that in and we'll say it again one more time so they can put that in the chat and spell A U D R A R O Z A R at yahoo.com. All right. All right. So that is that is the Mrs. Name. Yeah, I can reach out to her connect with her. One last request, one more request before I let you go. Audrey, you said you can sing. Could you could you close us out? Could you could you? Yeah, yeah. We can do a little duet. We can do like we can do a little C for some reason. Oh my god. Just just just a little just a little I mean you got clear throat get some water, but could you just close us out with a little just a little small rendition of whatever your favorite whatever your favorite songs is. All right. All right. I'll just do amazing grace. Amen. Go ahead, sister. Amazing grace. How sweet the sound that has saved a rich life. Sister, you about to make somebody run up in here? You about to make somebody start running? Thank you so so much. Of course, the love is already showing in the chat. I got to pop like these comments real quick for you. The way you can get to flowers, get the get the get the love here. People are just loving it. Yeah, when you listen when you say that, I said, oh, I'm not about to let her go. Oh, no, no, no. She got this. You got to show some sign right here. She got to show some signs. Look, look. And let me tell you something right now. I got sisters like here. I can picture them because I know one of these sisters right here. I'm over here waving my hand like the old school church mother. She probably got the fan too. She probably got the MLK fan too. Why are you playing? Don't play Loretta. Stop it. Yes, sister. Thank you so so much. And I definitely look forward to connecting with you in the future. May have to bring you on again. Just wanted to give you the opportunity to share your testimony and I'm grateful and thank God that he allowed me to open up the door an opportunity for other brothers and sisters like yourself to be able to to share your story because I guarantee it's not going to fall on background. It will produce fruit in Jesus name. So we thank you and those of us who appreciate truth and appreciate the body of Christ. We thank God for his delivering power because he's still a God who delivers. He's a delivering God. And so I definitely appreciate you. So have a great night and I will be standing in contact with you very soon. Take care of yourself now. Yes, sir. You too. Thank you. All right now. Bye bye now. All right. Good night. Good night. All right, y'all. That is sister Audra. And listen, I hope you all were blessed by the by the conversation, you know, aside from, you know, little hiccups and bumps that we had, you know, with, you know, it happens, it beats like that sometime, but I had no regrets. God was glorified in it. And so this is not the last time. This is one, I believe, of several discussions that I look forward to having with brothers and sisters in Christ, you know, whether they are in the in these frats and sorrows or not. I want to, I want to be able to dialogue and have these discussions with others as well. So anyway, that is it. Ladies and gentlemen, I just want to make sure that you all were able to, you know, chime in and share your commentary. I did see it in the comments in the chat. So I wanted to populate as much as I could without it being distracting. Jackie, welcome. You said checking you are because I'm a smart Christian and Corey has introduced me to you. All right, appreciate it. Tell my brother I said, appreciate it. 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