 ThinkTek Hawaii. Civil engagement lives here. Hi. My name is Russell Houma. I'm your host today for the Hawaii Nikkei Now Show. And I have a special guest today, our former governor, George Ariyoshi. And he's been a three-term governor from 1974 to 1986. As you know, Governor George Ariyoshi was very instrumental of changing our political system and our economic structure from the times, from the plantation and sugar day, sugar plantation day and pineapple, agriculture days. And now, Konnichiwa. Watashi no namae wa Russell Houma desu. Kyou no Hawaii Nikkei Now no shikai desu. Kyou no togubetsu guest wa, motto chiji, George Ariyoshi desu. Ariyoshi san wa 1974-1986 nene. Juninen kan ijo hawaishu seifure chiji wo yattem yattem orimashita. Tono mae niwa 1944 nien niwa makkenri high school kokoo sochi gyo. Tono ato dainiji sensoora arimashita kara. Tono ato a MIS, military intelligence service de tsuyaku interpreter wo Nihon de MacArthur Gensui no toki desu kedo mo dainiji sensoora waatta toki. Tono toki tsuyaku de yattemashita Nihon de. Tono ato de Nihon ni kara hikiagete amerikani modotte kite Hawaii daigaku itte. Tore de Mishikan daigaku no hoka o datte te Benkoshi ni narimashita e. Tore 1954 nien ni a-no-renpo, amerika renpo chiku no shugin wo sute. Tore 58 nien ni wa amerika renpo chiku no jogin, state senator. Tore 1959 nien ni amerika no hawae da gashu koku ni natta toki ni amerika shu no jogin natte. Tore 1970 nien wa sukuchi rutenet gawana wo hawae de John Boons no shita de rutenet gawana wo yatte orimashita. Tore 1974 nien natte kara senkyo ni dete tosen shite hawae shu shijin no hajimete no nikkiejin no dawana ni natte amerika renpo seifu no naka no shu de. Tore iroro katsuya kui shiragara yatte kimashita. Tore ariyoshi san wa kekkon shuten, kekkon shita ashto wa jin hayashi ariyoshi te. Tore san nien no kodomo ni megumarete soda ati shimashite. Tore naka de kare no chounan no musukora loujou te yun desu ne. Tore nan de loujou te yun nama isuketa no. Yappashi otou san mo loujou rattan desu yo. Nihon kara imin de kita toki. Taka kou chouro ariyoshi san ni kyou wa otou san to okaasan no ohanashi wo chotto kikashite moratte. Yappashi nan to iwa kotoshi taku gojuunen kinen no gannen mono no kinen desu kara ne. Hajimete Nihon kara nikkie no Nihonjin da kite hawae ni imin de. Taka sore re yappashi ariyoshi san ni iro iro sono koto kara doyatte hajimete no nikkiejin no shijin ni natta ka. Soro kurashiku hanashi wo kyou wa kikai tomotte masu. Ariyoshi san, yokosawa hawae nikkie hawae no shouni. Arigatou. Yappashi otou san to okaasan da yappashi no eikyou da kiekko attan desu ka hawae de. Yappashi kou yu sodachi de seiji ni haite chijin naru to yappashi sugoi koto desu yo. Yappashi no papa to mama wo senkiyaku juukunen ni hawae ni kimashita. Papa no to no toki kitake wa isshio de nakatta no e. Mada aatte inakatta. Papa wa funanori deshita. Funanori hawae ni chotto to no nihon no fune ga ate ate. Mijiyara taiba no atsumete iro yo ni. So to no toki juunin gurae. Hawae, minna deite kato mitan desu ne. Yama juunin gurae mudoranakatta no. Dakara hawae ni sre kara zutto matte watashi suoi koto wa shiranakatta no. Sono toki hoori chigan deshita no ne. Dakara watashi ka bengou shin ni naru mai 1951in ni kaette iru toki papa ka hajime to sono anashi shi watashi nae. Watashi bikkuri shi otou san. Yama sento no toki tsune ni kururu to mo onakatta. Mou tsune ni kururu to mo te kara kakou shite te. Yama nanimo nakatta no. Zutto hawae ni urarete. Hawae ni to no toki kara. Hawae ni to toki kara. Sanbashi no shikuto mo chotto ga arimashita. Sono toki wa sanbashi no chotto abunai tokoro deshita. Minna takusan waru ishita ga atumatte ne. Hoka no tori no koto ga ate. Hoka no shi to kara to toka no toki te mo papa kara wa tatai torenakatta no. Toru yo itta itta. Yattemi itte. Kite mo otou san. Tsuyoka atta kara mo. Dandan omi no aketsu dagite shimatte ne. Daikara hawae ni itta. Tsurekei shi to to ni shimo yatte. Hava no shi aru osumon namae wa ne. Yatayama to iu yamae deshita. Mou yatsutte kakou ni ariyoshi san no. Kodomo no shashin mita no nanka. Sumotori no lishiki no. Hachimaki mita no shisite masu takai naka. Oto san da yappaiso dake sumo ni kesshin de ne. Dakara yoku kanga ita no dohyou nanka mo. Yappaishi skutta no naka ariyoshi san no. Oto san da hajimete hawae de dohyou o. Ano skuru you na katachi de sumo gyoukai o hajimeta. Ttei kiite masu kedo. Sore na katta yappaishi hawae no ima no Jesse Takameyama. Ano yokozuna no konishi ki Akemono nanka mo ne. Sashimaki nanka mo soyu surachi nanka hawae de lishiki na tte sumo dekinakatta deshiyo. Yappaishi ariyoshi san no oto san da yappaiso no sumo o ne. Hawae de sodatte dakara soyodake nobitan ja nai desu ka ne. Dohyou wa ne kuru kurete kuru sumo yatte ita ne. Hontou no ni hontou o naji yoru deho yo. Kashiwa ita no wa wasashika ben gushin natte kaya tte kara. Sore no saki papo wa tachi hajimete no. Dohyou ga nakattara, hontou no dohyou ga nakattara, seiko mo dekinai kara watashi tachi wa. Kouki koshirayamashou ita wa te ni tte tte no. Yakara watashi isho ni natte no wa no ga e no tokoro o bote o te ga arimasu. Soko ni itte tochi o sukoshi kashi, dohyou koshirayamashou ita no. O, yatte kuretai tte no kikete. Yakara watashi de papo wa zenbu maturo wa atsomete dohyou koshirayate. Hontou no atarimai ni hontou no dohyou koshirayamashou ita no. Hmm, sugoe desu ne. Yappashi hawae de sou yu ano touji de ne. Mou shuusen touji no atou no mai desu kara ne. Sore de dohyou o sukuttare no sumou no ne. Nihon no bunka o ne hawae de yaru tte i no koto wa. Sparashii koto desu no. Yappashi sore dake ariyo-san no oto-san de sore dake kouken shinagara ne. Sumou o hawae de sodatete. Sore dake yattetsu. Yappashi ariyo-san mo sumou tori ni natta ka mo shi nara isu ne. Sore dake wa seijika ni natte ne chijinaru yori. Sore ni yattete papa wa itzumo watashi ni hanashiteta ne. Nani kote mo number one, itzuma natte yo. Nani kote yattemo atarimai ni hontou no koto yaru you ni. Magattekoto yaranai ne. Mou mota tori, omu tori koto yoku yaru you ni. Itzumo watachi ni hanashiteta ne. Sore dake yappashi. Soshite watashi ga senjou ga hajumatta toki. Watashi wa haishiku, mekene haishiku no ishi nenzei desu sa. Sore toki gunbu ga zenbu hawae no seifu dame ni natta no. Gunbu ga zenbu yaru you natte. Itzutsu wa minna bukujima de ushi ni kaette kanakeba. Soto ni yaru koto yaru you ni katora. Dake wa watashi wa koto o ga kou. Ichinese ni nenechi san nen toki san nen kan yoru. Soto ni zeta koto ga nakatta no. Maeban uchi no tte utou san to kao san toku yo. Daito isho ni iro no koto asondo ni hanashitari. Dakara sore toki watashi hontou ni utou san to kao san no. Nihon no bunka no shimochi ga yoku wakatta no. Dakara papa ga itsumo nani koto yattemo. Dame no yo, ganbatte, ganbatte. O saikou ni ganbatiru you ni atarimai ni yoru you ni. Givun datte wa dekenai kara. Hoka no shimo isho ni yaru you ni sun da kara. Amari ibaranai de watashi wa kou you koto yatta wa naite. Minna isho no yatte. Okagi sama de kou you koto yadete yo koto. Dao, watashi papa ni itsumo uto yatteta. Dakara okagi sama to yukoto wa. Isho ni yaru you na koto. Papa kara naro tte ne. Itsumo sanenka no haizuku no teke. Sori makari tsumo anase tte ne. Ishi yo tsumi yatte. Jibun dake yagakute. Dekyu dake tetsu yattemo re. Hoka no shimo isho ni yaru you ni koto yatte. Amari ho rau ga kenai de watashi ga yatta wa watashi ga yatte. Minna isho ni yatta kara kou you koto yatteta yo koto. Jigou desu ne. Yappu so dake otou san no eikyou da tte. Yappu so ariyoshi san mo koshida hikuku ne. Yappu shi minna to isho ni dodo ne. Sabetsu na nai you ni ne. Minna ne fair ni ne. So yatte. Yappu shi so dake otou san no eikyou da tte kara. So dake ariyoshi san no subarashii seijika ni natte. Hawaii shu no chiijide. Yappu shi ima demo genki re. Iro iro ne. Nichibei kankei re mo. Nihontai meka to ajiya no aida demo. Kouryu shinagara yatte masu kara ne. Yappu shi goi koto de subarashii desu yo. Wale wa kara kara mitai. Yappu shi boku mo nikkie san sei, yon sei da tsukeru mo. So iu jidai de yappu shi nisei no shiro dachi da. Sore dake jun su sabetsu sare ga nara. Hawaii no seiji keizai wo kaite ita tte iu seiji kaikatsu desu ne. Yappu shi kakori mitai sato keiri kara. Pineapple batake re ne. Big Five no amerikano yappu shi hakujin no kaisha no kigyou da. Kontrol shite masu takara ne. Sore atte tasselin kukku, anfakto, sii blua, iyo deibi. Nanka ne. Sore nara iro iro arimashita kara ne. Takara watashi bengoushi natte kaette kara ne. Bengoushi na shikoto wo sato shite. Sei mo tanoshikatta no. Hachinenshi no dekikara watashi bengoushi na de taiyou kimochi ga atta kara. Bengoushi na tte kaette kara. Ishiyo kemi yatte iru wa ormo shiroku shikoto yatte iru ne. Sore na toki bansu, sore na toki bansu o ne. Jambore na toki shi na toki. Ato shi na toka ne. Shijuku kare wa sore na toki minshu to no liru deshita. Kare ka watashi ni hanashite ne. Anata wa discrimination doyou sabetsu no koto ga atta ka? Watashi wa plantation sato kimi to pineapple no shikoto yatte na katta kara papa ne. Machin no atta kara. Soyu koto wa naka toki. Dakara minna isho ni ga koni tte naka youku yatte omo shiku yatte itta kara. Soyu sabetsu no koto na katta itta kara. Imo gyakko kara kaette kara bengoushi na tte kara. Doyou koto mo omo imasu ka? Sore na toki watashi tte na tte ne. Yappari kono hawai wa big five to kaishan ga nigite iru kara. Aro tokoro maa de wa. Tsukutsu no hawai na toki ni ikareru ga. Ono ue de wa doh shite mo nani ka kankike na kattara dekinakatta no ne. Dakara karega watashi ni ja seikika ni senkyo ni jeru you ni. Sonu toki itta toki watashi ni sanju san ni shika na kattara no. Daa watashi. Seikika no o omari yo shire na ne kara senkyo no koto na imu wakan na ne kari de. Demo doh shite mo karega wa tsukutsu no senkyo ni jeru you. Mokou no ho de wa daini no wo yo to. Bakumatsu naga to. Arata forna ka minna deru kara. Kojira no ho. Yes, this is. Anasa ga deite kara. Totsu ni suru you ni. Shio kemi yari yo nase wa to itta no ne. Dakara watashi shita ga na haki ka na tomu te mo. Hawai wa soyou tokoro dakara. Yaku so koto yaru beke no koto ga au kara. Watashi. Ja seikika ni naru itte kara. Hajime ni natte nan desu ne. Ores ne. Yappushi. Rekushi mite mitera kakoni mo ne. Ariyoshi san, 59 ne. John Burns, motto, ne, chiji no ne. Minstow no hajimete no chiji desu kara. Sono eikyo re, yappashii kare no kokoera atte, seiji ka ni natte, yappashii sore rake. Goi to omoimatsu yo, sore rake. Hawai wo kaite itta te, yappushi. Son toki wa mo senso desu, ikusa desu yo mo. Ja, ma, kondo wa mo chotto breiki shimatsukera intermission. Ma, intermission na ato. Kondo, abe shinzo no oto san, abe shintaro. Moto, tsutsuan, daifyo no gin no daijin shite itta toki, yappashii son toki baburu no mae de, yappashii. Ariyoshi san da abe shintaro no, no ne, abe shinzo no oto san to nakakuyoku kouryu shinagara, sore de hawai da, sore dake, nihon no tou shina haitte, keizai da hatten shite itte, to no ohanushi wo kikashite moraita itsuke. Now, I'd like to take a break on the internet, intermission, and after the break, I would like to ask Governor George Ariyoshi about the relationship he had with the prime minister from Japan, Shinzo Abe's father, Abe Shintaro, who used to be a minister of MITI, Minister of International Trade and Administration, a minister in the national diet. And his relationship had a significant role of bringing Hawaii with the US-Japan relationship. Minasan konnichiwa. Think Tech Hawaii ga nihongo de otodoke suru. Konnichiwa, Hawaii no nihongo housou no Kosto, Kunisue Ikari desu. Kaku-shu, getsuyoubi no niji kara otodoke shite imasu. Nihongo community, Hawaii no nihongo community ni benri na otasuke jouhou, niusu, nado wo guest wo manekishite otodoke suru bangumi desu. Konnichiwa, Hawaii, kaku-shu no getsuyoubi, niji kara, sehi minasan mite kudasai. Kosto no Kunisue Ikari desu. Aloha. Aloha, I'm Richard Concepcion, the host of Hispanic Hawaii. You can watch my show every other Tuesday at 2 p.m. We will bring you entertainment, educational, and also we tell you what is happening right here within our community. Think Tech Hawaii, Aloha. Yes, we are back now at the Hawaii Nikkei Now Show and my special guest today with Governor George Lee Oshi. Hi, well, I'm back again today in Hawaii Nikkei Now. Today's special guest is Governor George Lee Oshi. Well, from now on, I'm your father, Abe Shinzo Abe. Abe Shinzo Abe used to be a friend of my friend who I've been in for over 30 years. My father Shinzo Abe and my father Shinzo Abe used to come to Hawaii often. At that time, we talked a lot about strategy meetings and things like that. That increased the number of Japanese investors. In the 1980s and 1990s, the bubble was in front of us. At that time, Mr. Lee Oshi and I used to work between Japan, Hawaii, and the United States. Mr. Lee Oshi, please tell us a little bit about Mr. Abe Shinzo Abe's father. Well, I've been in many other places in Japan. But I've always been very happy to speak with Abe Shinzo, especially in Hawaii. I was very lucky. Well, I was very lucky. I was very lucky. I was very lucky. Even when I can't get out of there, whenever I go to Tokyo, I would meet him. At that time, I talked to Mr. Abe, the director of the theater of the theater of the theater of the theater. I said, but I was sick and it didn't work. I just thought that there is no use. And Pitta, the Pacific International Space Exploration System, is a space project. There are NASA, Japan, JAX, and so on. Hawaii has a lot of small countries in the Pacific. That's why I was thinking about saving the country as much as I could. That's why I talked to Shintaro Abe. He always wanted to do this. He said, I want to do it in Japan, so I asked him to do it in Japan. Shintaro Abe did it for me. He asked me to do it in Japan. After talking to Reagan, I told him that I wanted to do it every year. I told him that I wanted to do it every year. I told him that I wanted to do it every year. When Reagan talked to me, I wanted to do it. He said that I wanted to do it every year. I told him that I wanted to do it every year. After that, I told him that I wanted to do it in Japan. I told him that I wanted to do it every year. I told him that I wanted to do it every year. I told him that I wanted to do it every year. That's why I was so close to him. After all, there are people who are close to each other. It's good to be close to each other. That's why I grew up in Japan and in the US and in Hawaii. That's why I was so happy when Senjou-san got married. My father was happy, but he was very happy. When I saw him in Japan, I saw him in Japan, in Hawaii. He was so friendly with Japanese people. My father and my grandfather were close to each other. Kishi-san was the last one to go to Hawaii. He had a party in Beijing. He had 5,000 to 5,000 people. He told me that he wanted to talk to me. I said that to him. He said that everyone was talking to him. He was just the president of the country. That's why I was a little worried. He said that he would be very satisfied. He said that he would be very satisfied. I told you that I was the president of the country. I told you that I was your friend. I understand that. I think that's good. I'm very happy that Abe is doing well. That's right. I know my father. Mr. Abe Shinzo is also important to Mr. Abe Shinzo. He doesn't have to work abroad. He works in the business and the defense industry. Even in the current victory of Abe Shinzo, he is still raising the back of Mr. Abe Shinzo. On the other hand, he has a good relationship with Mr. Abe Shinzo. In the past, Japan was not a country. In the new era of Japan, when MacArthur came to power, he was able to get up early and get better. He was able to connect the United States with the United States. If he did it together, it would be just America and Japan. The people of Asia and other countries were also very good for him. That's why MacArthur came to power. As I thought, Japan has become better and a new country. It has become a new country and we are going to protect it. Mr. Abe Shinzo is a leader of a country like that. He is also very good at that. He knows what happened in the past. I think he is very good at that. When I was in the Republican Party, I was in front of Babel during the Nakasone era. That was the time when Japan and the United States were the best in Asia. In the 60% of the world, Japan and the United States were in front of Babel. At that time, I still remember Mr. Abe Shinzo. When Babel and the United States went down to Japan, Mr. Abe Shinzo said to everyone, Japan will stand up and grow again. That's why Japan and the United States were together. There is no mistake. I want to see it now. After Babel in 1990 and 20 years later, Japan has become better and better. That's right. And now, the United States is in front of Trump. Sometimes, it's not very interesting. What I think is, he is the president of the United States, so I don't think so. It's okay to think in the same way. That's why I have the same relationship with Japan and Trump. It's very important for the United States and Japan to get along well. In doing so, Japan doesn't have to think in the same way. Japan is the only way. If we do it together and help other Asian countries, I think it's very good for the world. That's right. On the other hand, Japan is also a country that has grown with many failures in the past. Even in the economic industry, even in the ODA or NGO, Japan is doing economic industry in Japan. In the United States, Japan is the only country in Asia that has G7 in Japan. G7 is the leader of Asia. At that time, when G7 was the leader, Japan was the leader, and it was a time to pull the Asian countries. At that time, when I was in Japan, I was trying to enter China, but I couldn't because I was in Korea. It's a good thing. As far as I know, people like Ariyoshi and the two-year-old people in the past have been working so hard that we, the 3rd and 4th generation, are now around 7th and 8th generation. I'm grateful to all of them. When I see Ariyoshi from our side, he's a god, he's a master. I want them to do their best because of that. I'm 92 years old, and I drive a lot every day. You still drive? Yes. There are many things I can do, and I'm not doing it for money. I'm talking to people who don't know how to drive. That's my goal. I see. I'm 92 years old, and I have a lot of businesses, like Japan and Hawaii. I have a lot of international experience, so it's amazing. I went to Japan for the first time in five weeks. I went to Japan three times in five weeks. That's amazing. I've been there before. I went to Fukuoka and went to Senda for five weeks. It's necessary. It's important to me that Ariyoshi is doing his best. When I see him from our side, it's a good thing that he's doing it for us. When I see Ariyoshi doing his best, I see Ariyoshi doing his best. That's my goal. I have a lot of time today. Please let me know what you think. Thank you very much. Thank you for coming to the studio today. I hope you're doing well. I hope you're doing well between Japan, Hawaii and America. Thank you.