 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump, with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this rare, but random, mind pump. I love the random ones. Episode. Is it random? I don't know. I feel like we stayed in a central topic. We did. We didn't really have any direction. The future. Yeah, it's kind of like the future of fitness. Philosopher caps on. Technology, social media, lots and lots of speculation. So here's kind of what we covered in this 87, 90 minute episode of Mind Pump. We start off by talking about my average testosterone, Everly Well test. I took a testosterone test, got my results back. I got normal testosterone, a little depressing. Actually, we are sponsored by Everly Well. If you go to Everly Well, that's E-V-E-R-L-Y-W-E-L-L dot com and enter the code Mind Pump, you'll get 15% off any test. They have women's health test, food intolerance test, men's health test, testosterone test, lots of different types of tests. Then we talk about cannabis and its potential impact on testosterone. We talk about technology's detrimental impact on health. We talk about the Hunza people of Pakistan. These are long, long living people. I think I said their name wrong in this episode. I think I said that. Hunza. The Hunza people, but it's actually the Hunza people. We talk about simulations and problem solving, psychedelics and health revolutions, or not. The melding of holistic and Western medicine, 3D printed food, that's right, you can print food pretty soon, engineering movies and music, and the challenges of sex robots and finally short-lived social media successes. So we talk a lot about a lot of different things in this episode. Also, this month, we are launching, or we have launched, our newest and most advanced hardcore bodybuilding style maps program. It's called Map Split. Now I do wanna say this, it is not for beginners at all. You need to have some experience if you go into this program. There's lots of volume. It will fry your body if you're a beginner, but it's very, very effective. It is advanced. It is a body part split done the maps way. And there's four days left to get $50 off. So it's on sale during our initial launch. To get Map Split, go to mapssplit.com, enter the code split50 for $50 off. We also have simultaneously a promotion on our no equipment required program or a program that's designed for people who travel and wanna work at a home called Maps Anywhere. That program is half off, so 50% off. You can find that program and other programs at mindpumpmedia.com. Doug. Yes. That doesn't affect him at all. Can you find, cause I feel like we're just upgrading everything. We got, this is called the headphone amplifier, which I love. And then we have the new teleprompter, which is amazing. I want new custom mics. Yeah. I want my own mic. Custom mics? I don't want my mic to look like your mic at all. It doesn't. It does look different than mine. Boom. It's too, it's still. His wish came true right away. Yeah, you've been served. You've been served. See how I do that? Your wish is my command. Let's, what like, I want like an old school rock and roll looking. Yeah, or see, you would make that would be cool. And I want some that's all bedazzled out, dude. Just crazy. You don't want a bedazzled mic? Yeah. I can see that. Oh, shiny. I don't know what I would want on that. Yeah, colorful. I want it to be colorful. Yeah, I don't know. I like mine the way it is. Me and this mic have a long history together. You stay the same. But what I was gonna say is I want, cause we have these things now, just for people listening who don't know what I'm talking about. It's this little thing that we attach to our headphones. They really don't give a shit. It doesn't do anything. That I can turn up or down my headphones. Just not change their experience. Except for other podcasters. But see, here's the problem. That's a good point. Other podcasters might have put it. But see, here's the problem. I can't turn Adam and Justin down or up. So I want one that also allows me to turn them down. You want to turn us down? Yeah, so I could just be like, yeah, so I could say something and then turn them down real quick so they can't reply. I don't want to hear you. Yeah. Shut up. He mutes you. But how about that teleprompter, huh? Dude, that is great. Thanks, Tom Billu. Thank you. Yeah, when we were there, he had the teleprompter, he was like, God, that's a fucking nice. We have to figure this out. Yeah, so. What is this? The funny thing is, you know where that place is located? That we got it? Where Tom gets his? Where? It's in Campbell. Is it? Yeah. No way. Yeah, Doug drove there and bought it. He said there was some other cool stuff there, too. Like the new lights and everything that we'll get for the other room. What is the new lights, too? Just like they're like bars, you know? So that they can mount them up on the wall. There's so much cool stuff. Isn't that funny how many like companies are right next to us? You didn't even know we were there. Like there was that soy vey or whatever company. It was like, it's in Felton. It's like, I don't know if it's like Teriyaki sauce or like some kind of soy sauce stuff. That's a random. It's dude, it was in Felton, though. That's like where I live. I was like, what? But why were you looking at that on the first? I don't know. Like hella people. I was out and I was like, oh yeah. Is it a popular brand? Oh, as I say, is it a popular brand? I've never heard of fucking assholes. Justin was looking up ways to lower his high testosterone levels. He's like more soy. I need xenoastrosis in my life. Speaking of testosterone, you guys sent in your kits today. Mine's going in out today. What do you mean going out? Did you put it in the mail? No, it's out in the front lobby to go. I went looking for a blue mailbox for us and I couldn't find one. What are you doing, bro? You have to freeze it before you mail it out. I did. So it's frozen right now? Yeah. And yours went out, right, Justin? Yeah. Results. I registered it, I sent it out, or I'm going to send it out so I should get mine sometime next week. Justin should be getting his this week, right? Yeah, this week. It should be coming in. I think yours is going to probably be pretty high. Yeah. I think it'll be higher than mine. I've never tested it, so this is like completely from day one. Like we'll see where I'm at. I'm going to do an experiment soon where I'm reducing and then going to see if I can eliminate my cannabis consumption for a little while to see how it affects my testosterone. I feel like you were a little discouraged by yours. I think you pride yourself. You think that affects it though, really? I think you pride yourself on being like the super, like, you know, super libido guy over here and... Oh, you know, there's so many factors that play into libido. You know, neurotransmitters play a factor. Hot girlfriend. Yeah, hot girlfriend. Thanks, honey. It feels like it sounds like a whole different... Raising testosterone. No, but I was in the middle. You know what I mean? I'm kind of like, I want to be higher than the middle. Yeah, you're just kind of average, dude. Yeah, like... I'm really not impressed. Come on, Sal. I'm really not impressed. No, but I think... You're better than that. But no, for sure, cannabinoids or cannabis in animal studies has affected your doctor system. Yeah, but it's temporary, though. It's like only 24 hours. Yeah, isn't it mainly for chronic users? Like... Yeah, well, you're in a room of chronic... Chronic. Hence the pun. What do you say? Yeah, it's only for people that use it all the time. Like, well, that's what I'm trying to say here is that I use it like four days a week or five days a week. I'm going to go down to like once a week and then none for a while and see what it does if it changes it in a positive way, you know what I mean? Or if I get more testosterone. You know what? I didn't even think about that. If I smoked last night... Did I smoke last night? I don't remember if I... Yeah, what about sleep, too? I wasn't... You did. I didn't get to use sleep for the test. I guess that's the answer to the test. Well, yeah. I'm already making excuses for myself. Well, no, because I do know that it affects you within 24 hours, right? So if you smoke, you know, if you were to test your testosterone level and then you were to go smoke a bunch of weed and then turn right around and test it again, you'll show that it's lower. But then I heard that within 24 hours of that, you would rebound back to your... So the studies are mixed. So they'll test a group of, you know, men who are regular users of cannabis and they'll find that their testosterone levels are average, like the average persons. But I don't like those studies because they're not comparing their baseline. You know what I mean? So it's not like you're testing someone seeing what their normal levels are, then have them use cannabis for a while and then test them. In animal studies, predictably you can lower testosterone levels with high doses of THC in particular. So the jury is out. The jury is still out. I, for me, I wanna see what happens for me. I wanna see if it affects... And here's the other thing too. Cannabinoids are very anti-inflammatory. They've got some positive health effects, especially if you have autoimmune issues. So it could very well be raising my testosterone because those are issues that I have. You know what I mean? So if it makes me healthier, then it might do the opposite and make my... Like let's imagine I go off cannabis completely and I don't need it like I used to for gut issues. I used to need it, but now I think I can get away with not using it for a while. But let's say I test it out and I'm like, oh man, my gut issues are getting bad again. I really need it for that gut inflammation. Pretty sure that will be worse for me. You see what I'm saying? I've been avoiding sad movies to prepare for this. Really? Yeah. To get your... Did you masturbate the day before? Yeah, of course. Okay, so, wow. When do I not? Stupid question. It's like, did I brush my teeth? Yeah. It's like, did you put all your clothes today? So two things. One, the funniest thing that happened, I don't remember where we were, but Justin and I were doing something on our phones. If you just type W in the... Like if you're on Safari or whatever, and you just go to type in like www. Whatever, just type in W, Pornhub. Yeah, just like right away. You're like, oh no, it's on to my habits. You know it's a smartphone right there. I know where you want to go. I got you. But the thing I'm NSA-ing. I don't remember who did it first, but one of us did it first and then we were making fun of the other person. So then I think it was, I did it first and then I'm like, let me see your phone. Yeah, you did it and you were typing in, maybe it was like three or four letters and then I was like, watch this. And it was W and it was like, pfft. Yeah, just came up right to it. I was like, oh no. Inbusted. Yeah, the other thing is that abstaining from ejaculation for a week will raise testosterone. It goes down after that. But if you abstain for like a week, you'll get a spider. Well, I know guys that used to do that, like in football and stuff like that, that they had a big game on Friday night or whatever it was. There's some wisdom in that. Well, that used to be a big, I think that was a wise tale. Wise tale, exactly. That's what I thought. With boxing coaches and football coaches, they would always tell me that. I thought, didn't we dispel that? Nobody can have a girlfriend, you know? Didn't we dispel that in early mind pump days that that was something we talked about? So how do you test that? How do they end up testing if that, because here's, how many, think about this, how many factors are involved when you're having sex, a bunch of sex before a big game? A, you could be getting a little bit of sleep because you're just up banging all night, whatever. Could be a bunch of drama, because you're, you know. Exactly, like distraction as far as mental distraction. You could hurt yourself, if you do it like Justin does. You could break your dick. Full force. You could hurt yourself or someone else. So aggressive. In which case, yeah. True. I know my hips get sore. But besides all that, it does raise testosterone to abstain for like a short period, like a week. After if you've abstained too long, your testosterone actually drops. But if you abstain for like a week, you'll get a spike in testosterone, probably because your body's trying to drive you to mate, you know what I'm saying? Like, hey, dummy, get this out of me. Use this thing. Get this out of me. Pull this back up. Yeah. And maybe the aggression, you know, the aggressive factor, I don't know. What are you gonna start to be all about? I've had a lot of people DM me ever since we brought it up on the show. We haven't organized the day when we're gonna do our fast from cannabis. Have you decided? You know what might suck? We might suck on the podcast. Yeah. You guys keep talking about it. We might come in. I know, every time I'm about to, I'm like, nah, this is sounding a lot of fun right now. We'll come in and be all blah, blah, blah. No creativity, no ideas. Hey guys, what happened? Totally flat, yeah. No, I think I'm gonna, right now I'm just, I'm tapering down. So I'm going from like four days a week down to like, maybe just on the weekend. Now I've tried this before and here's what happened. So something to be aware of. I've tapered off before, and then what I'll notice is I'll taper off, so I'll use it less frequently, but then when I use it, he's more. So I'll go like, oh, I didn't do any this week. Oh, it's the weekend. And then. Oh, really? Yeah, so. Oh, see, I'm not like that. If I taper off, like it's crazy. When I just take a break for three days, I can significantly feel a difference. Like it, it'll take, and that's, I use like how much I like smoke. Cause I, the cannabis. Can you gauge it by how much you need? Yeah, because I, all the stuff that I buy is on the higher level of like THC. So it's all pretty fucking strong. It doesn't take very much from me as it is. And for me, it's like this, you know, two to six puff range. And when I'm pushing like six puffs, for me to feel the same. Especially the stuff you have, that's fire. That's what I mean. So six puffs of that, I mean, if I'm having to do that much, that means I feel like I'm consistently using it too much. But easily, if I drop down to three days, I just take a break for three days in a row, and then go back and have two times. I'm like, whoa, on another planet. I notice for me is if I get less of the positive effects and more of the negative effects if it's too much, too consistently. You know what I'm saying? Like I lose that good feeling that euphoria or whatever, if I just go to, or my tolerance, just like Adam, it just gets too high. So, yeah. Did you, sorry to totally change that, but I just, something just popped in my head. I was, I don't know what reminded me of this. There was that, what's that cartoon you guys told me? Was it Wall-E to watch or whatever? Yeah, Wall-E. Which one of you posted that, Oh, was you? Yeah. Oh my God, dude. The meme of the guy with the virtual reality glasses on. Yeah, you sit there with a gut. Dude, that was so good. Have you seen it yet? No, I still haven't watched the movie. Dude, it's one of the best, it's one of the best for a kid's movie? Cartoon's out there. It's awesome, yeah. It's one of the best kid's cartoons out there, but it is a little depressing. That part is a little bit depressing. Well, it is. And it, you know, it's been on my mind a lot. You know, it's ever since the book that you guys gave me so much shit, I'm not even gonna say it because I've said it so many times on the show. Irresistible. Why are you gonna do that? Adam Butler. Why are you gonna do that here? It's so great that you know the name and the author and you've never read it. You repeated something enough times. I'll remember it. Ever since then though, man, it's just, I think I'm just hyper aware of all the stuff like that around me, where I think before that, I was kind of just blindly walking around and doing my own thing, even consuming it myself, where now my level of awareness with that is just different than what it was before. I don't know if I shared with you guys, I don't know if I shared this on the show or not, but you know, I've been going to all the playoff games and sitting down by, I mean literally like right behind these courtside seats are just amazing seats, amazing experience for anybody to do that. I don't care who you are. And definitely if you're into basketball, like it's just so awesome to be right there. And it's so awesome that I just, I wanna, we had friends that were there and they were across the arena a little bit higher up and they wanted to meet at the club and have drinks and stuff like that. I looked at Katrina and I'm like, uh-uh, I don't wanna leave these seats. I don't wanna take my eyes off of this experience this whole time because it's so cool. And but yet everybody that was around me is, you know, selfie and Instagram and videoing and texting their friends. And you know, I'm like, it was really distracting for me to see that the whole time. I wanted to like grab everybody by their head and just be like- You know what? You know what's funny is that as you're saying this, I'm realizing just how much the capturing images and video market has changed. And I don't mean it from a retail standpoint, although it's changed dramatically there. I mean, when I was a kid, when we were kids, you took pictures, you went to get them developed, you would make photo albums. You'd have photo albums at your home and people would come and look at them and share them or whatever. Nobody does that really that much anymore. It's like, it's almost like it's, they're so easy that you don't even look at photos anymore. Yeah, it is. It's lost its mystique, right? And so they have- Or almost its value. They've tried to like bring it back in some digital form. And so they've had like those picture frames that kind of slide images across. And so it's like, you kind of capture some of the photos. I own the best ones. Yeah, I have those. And they're cool. There's like background, you know, visuals and stuff for conversation. But yeah, I think you're right that, that used to be a big part of like hosting people over and like, you know, you talk about some trip you went on and then you kind of show them like all the pictures and images captured. Most people's photos and images are on social media. I don't save them anywhere, I mean, really anywhere else or I don't really look through them. I post them, people look at them and they're gone. Well, that's part of the part that I think is cool. Like when I look at it, I go like, my still my favorite Instagram to go through is Doug's because he posts so infrequently. Like I feel like ours are so much because we have to stay kind of active on it. But with Doug, like it's not a big deal. It's not part of his job really, right? Is to do that. So he just, whenever he kind of feels like it and he tends to do it like these little milestones within the business. So I love to go on time capsule. It is. So I love to go back there and just kind of like, oh shit, I remember this. Oh, I remember the first time we did that. But these platforms own them, don't they? Don't they own these photos? Yeah. You know what I mean? That's kind of crazy. It is crazy. So it's different. It's very, very different than it used to be. So I don't know what that means. Well, you see like Kodak and you see some of these other like major companies like going completely on business. Does Kodak even exist anymore? Well, they just, they just finally like completely gave up. And I just read something recently that they, I mean they were still selling like certain cameras that you could, you know, like you could process and do it the old school way because there was still hipsters out there. Do you know the story on that? They actually have a cool story that there's a good, like not good, it's like a shitty story, right? It's like they passed on something or they didn't transition out of a certain, I wish I remember this story. I know I read it somewhere. The whole, just their whole fall. Like I don't know if, do you know how they fell and like how it went, how it ended up? Yeah, I don't remember. Yeah, the details on that either, but I do remember there was something in there because I don't know if it was something to do with printers or, you know. Yes. Yeah, it was something along those lines. I don't remember. They didn't move to like the digital. Yeah, they didn't go digital. Yeah. They were still doing like the Polaroid. I don't remember what it was. I'm completely probably fucking the stuff right now. But I know they had, there's a cool story behind, you know, it's like one of those things where businesses that don't, you know, pivot or move like when, as the market changes and then what ends up happening to them, Kodak is a good example of that. It's definitely changing, it's changing how we're built using all these, filming and looking at everything through our phones like forward head and forward shoulder. That is something exploding, dude. So I never saw kids with that before. I've been meaning to tell Doug this. So like Doug just walked in the room and I'm glad he did it this time. I wanna do a video and I wanna call it like iPhone posture, you know, something along those lines because where this really hit home for me, because of course I could sit there and I could look at all these people that are in and judge all day long, but I noticed myself and I'm aware of it. Like I'm fully aware of like when I'm sitting like that, like it's not good posture and I try and counter it. I've even been doing these exercises where I'm like constantly breathing. Looks like a chicken head. Yeah, yeah, I'm pulling my head back and I've done that like with a resistant like a towel. She's keeping her mouth closed, you know. Yeah, yes, that's all. Just a little advice. But I've seen how it started to shape my posture being somebody who's aware of it and I think, wow, how many of these kids that are 12? Like if I was, that was, if I had iPhone when I was 12, like I'm not thinking about that. Like that's not, I'm not concerned about that. You're just loving that you have access to all this cool shit. Your body totally shapes towards what you do most of or what you do a lot of. Like I'll give you some simple, easy examples. Like if you look at our feet, you know, modern and modern societies, our feet are shaped to wear shoes. Our feet now, you know, I'm 39 years old, right? My feet are well suited to walk in shoes. They are terribly suited to walk barefoot. This is most people, right, in Western societies. My body is well suited to sit in a chair. It is terribly suited to sit in a squat. Now some cultures still do this. Like you go to certain, you know, Asian cultures, for example. Or, or, or, or, or arguably to even stand. I mean, I get uncomfortable. If I stand in the same spot for 45 minutes straight. Start feeling weird, things start hurting. How weird is that your back? Oh, I can't stand too long. My back hurts. That's not supposed to happen. I know, right. Your back's not supposed to hurt when you're doing normal things. To the, to the foot point. Like I, when I brought up the example of like creek walking and we were doing the barefoot and like going through the terrain and everything in the rocks. Man, that was eye-opening to see how, you know, hard it was to like regain that connection and like really use my toes and like move my feet the way I need to. Cause I've been wearing shoes all the time. Well, think about, think about this way. Let's imagine, imagine that you were, you were raised and brought up wearing really, really dark glasses your whole life. Like maybe like a welder's helmet. You ever wear a welder's helmet? Super, super dark, right? I mean, you wouldn't get made fun of at all. Yeah, no. But imagine if you saw everything through that for your entire life. When you took that off, everything would seem too bright and overwhelming. Your eyes would, you wouldn't be able to adjust the, the, the neurons in the brain that process light and process vision would be overwhelmed. It would be painful, it'd be hard to, to do that. Now, this is- You almost normalize it, right? Because that's all you would know. That's all you would know. The brain is developed around it. Now, this is what happens with our feet. Like if you take your shoes and socks off and walk around barefoot outdoors and every time you take a step you're like, ouch, ooh, pebble, ah, this, that's what's happening. It's too much information, too much sensation. You're, you don't know how to perceive it so it seems and feels overwhelming. You don't know how to do it. Really the only way, can you reverse it? No, not at this point. You can make inroads, but at this point now, many of the hard wired things in the brain have been developed through childhood and adolescence. Oh, you don't think that we can, you don't think we can reverse that? You can reverse a lot of it, but it's not, so I'll give you an example. When they find, there have been children in the past that people have found who were feral, feral children, have you heard of these before? These are kids that were for whatever reason, like terrible circumstances left in the wilderness or whatever, and so they've never learned how to speak or be a human, and so then people will find them. There's actual true stories of these kids being raised, literally by other animals and stuff. So they'll find these kids and they'll be like 10 or 11. Stars and jumping a book. They'll be like 10 or 11, and they'll always have developmental issues, always. Now you can definitely teach them to talk better, teach them, but they always have developmental issues because all those formative years are lost. Right, it's a very impressionable time for them. So all of us, we could do all the foot and ankle exercises in the world. We could walk barefoot from now until we die and we'll make great improvements, but we'll never reach the potential that we had before. We are doing that now with kids and technology and their posture and how they sit and what they focus on to the point where these guys are gonna be 25, 30 years old, have back problems, and they'll fix a lot of it, but boy, some of that will be permanent, you know? It's kinda crazy. I mean, there's certain companies that are noticing this and they're trying to kind of create products to address this and with postural sort of queuing things that like shirts or the strap that kinda goes and pulls your shoulders back, but again, this is another one of those things. This is like training wheels. This is something that you have to learn how to intrinsically do that on your own and own that versus having something pulling you back physically because it's just not gonna... Did you ever try that shirt on that Josh Trent had? I know he was... He talked to me, yeah, quite a bit about that. I didn't get a chance to try it. Was he called again? I don't know, but I have it in my closet and I have yet to try it on. It gives you feedback, right, with your posture? I apologize, bro. He didn't give me one, so... Yeah, it's on him. No, he likes me more. Yeah, he does, he's a big fan. Your handsomer. Probably. It's probably what it is. It's probably what. It makes sense. It's your face. We don't know... We don't know... It's like we almost don't know, we can predict, but we don't know what future health problems we're creating with... Because what happens is something will get introduced into society that greatly benefits us for a lot of different things. But, and so we adopt it very quickly. Do you think... Technology got adopted very quickly. Do you think we don't know? I think we know more. I think we're on to it. I think we don't give a fuck. I think we don't care. And I think the companies that are producing a lot of this stuff don't care. I'll give you an example of what I mean. I don't think we're a bunch of neanderthals running around going like, oh, I wonder what this is gonna do to us. It's like... I think that... It's more like what can we do? No, I think... That's the mentality. Yeah, but I think there's a lot that we don't know. Like, I'll give you a good example. Like when we discovered germ theory and invented antibiotics, we're like, oh, cool, this cures everything. Throw antibiotics on everything. Not realizing that we were gonna create... We were gonna create problems in the future because we didn't really know... We didn't understand the full scope of... We thought germs were the problem, so let's attack them. Yeah, like we know if you're less active what's gonna happen. We know about obesity. We know about all that other stuff. But we don't quite know... I'll give you a good example that we're just like I can speculate on. This quick cut society or quick cut technology where I'm looking at short video clips where I'm looking at things from... I'm constantly being preoccupied with... I'm never bored. I'm never alone. I always have something to do with some sort of walk. There's no pauses. Yeah, like we don't know what that's gonna do on the brain. We have no idea what that's gonna do on the cell brain. Oh, see, I disagree. I mean, again, referring back to the book, like they get into this. Like this is what they knew when they created it. They knew that they were creating this highly addictive tool that was gonna cause people to keep coming back in. What do you think is gonna happen to them? Like anything else? Like if you get the... And that's what's happening right now is this behavioral addiction. But I think nobody who created it or had anything to do with creating it didn't know that. I think they're fully aware of that. And I think we still have some people out there that are unaware of themselves as a consumer using it. So they're just naive to it and they don't care to try and figure it out. I mean, I could argue that, or I could say that I was in that place just three, four years ago, looking at purely as a tool and a cool thing. For me, it was more of a distraction from other things in my life that I wanna do because I wasn't born with it. I didn't use Facebook and Instagram. That's what I mean. Like we all have the ability, we're in that generation that, what do they call us? Like we were born analog, but then we grew up in digital. Digital, analog to digital. Yeah, so we know the contrast, you know what I mean? But like my kids, you know, kids now, they don't know. They don't know. They don't know boredom. They don't know boredom. They don't know I'm gonna go ride my bikes with my friends the same way. They don't know like, oh, I have nothing to do. I better figure something out. It's like constant. They always have something that they can do with their electronics. They always have, they don't know what it's like to not be able to find information immediately. And I'm not saying that that's a bad thing. I'm just saying it's a different thing. And we don't know what that means necessarily. Like when you were a kid, you wanna know something, you asked an adult, you know what I mean? Now you just Google it. I think it's a bad thing. I think we can say it's a bad thing. I think it's for sure. It might be both. It's almost unearned. It's for sure making you less present. So if you believe that it's important to be present, either sometimes or ever, then I think we could say that it's a bad thing. Because, and people say that, oh, these kids, they're socially awkward now. And that's not true. Not all of them are that way. Some of them are still, they're still outgoing people. I think it's more, people are less present than they were before. Now that can then in turn cause people to be socially awkward and not know how to interact with a human being sitting in front of them. They know how to interact with someone via text or Instagram or Facebook or in DMs or on video games, that they're talking to them across the world but put that same person in front of them and then the way they interact is different. So I think it's more of a lack of being present than anything else. I don't know. It's gonna be an interesting problem to figure out. Like for sure parents, a lot of parents are putting kind of restrictions with their kids, but it's not really a big, it's not really a big thing yet. Because like I said, we haven't seen a generation or two come out of it yet where we can see all these problems clearly. Where it's gonna be more regular for parents to be like, okay, you're limited, you're limited. You shouldn't be using this at this age. Like we don't know, like here's another one, right? Like we talked to people like Ben Greenfield and Dr. Merkola and they talk about the dangers of wifi. We don't know, we haven't really fully seen what wifi could potentially do to us. Now I'm not saying it's super bad. You know the scary part is like we're exposed to it all the time. We're like the best test group for that. That's what fucking scares the shit out of me. Like Silicon Valley has to be the worst when it comes to that. Like we're so spoiled now that anywhere we drive, your phone is now almost always connected to wifi. It wasn't, but maybe two, three years ago, that didn't exist. I remember when they passed that in San Jose that they were going to do that, that everywhere you go, you pretty much can log into some wifi where just five, 10 years ago it wasn't like that at all. You gotta be bombarded with it. Dr. Merkola says one of the best things you could do to counteract the dangers of wifi exposure is fasting because of its ability to regenerate new cells and prevent mutations and stuff like that. This is why I really think that, and you know, I guarantee somebody will fucking package it and market and sell it. Shame on us for not doing that, but it's just not our style. But I think that your idea of the two to three day fast every month is really brilliant. It really is. I think there's so many benefits. Oh dude, on that topic, so I read about the HUDSA people, H-U-D-Z-A people of Pakistan. Now there was some controversy surrounding them because there were people that, there were explorers that went there, saw these people, fantastic health. And according to these people, their records show that they would live to 130, 140 years old. What? And that at the age of 100, they felt really good. Now the controversy is whether or not they were counting years the same way and is it accurate or whatever? Yeah, I don't know about that. But hold on. 130 or 140 years. But there's a lot of people that think that for sure these people live longer, much, much longer than the average person. And they were trying to figure out why, like why are they such good health? And of course they eat natural foods, they're very active, blah, blah, blah. But here's the big one. During the winter months, the HUDSA people, because they live at very high altitudes, there's no food, there's barely any food. And so during the winter months, they consume nothing for like two or three months, except for maybe some apricot juice that they store. And so every year they go through these really long fasts and they think that that might be contributing to their long life. Yeah, pretty interesting, right? But yeah, right on the line. I mean, really interesting if they're 120, 130. Not so interesting if they're 60 and they count half years as years. Yeah. A lot less interesting. That's true. I mean, they're living as long as Moses. Yeah, I mean, to me that was nothing. A minor detail, you just kind of grates right over. It does say that in the Bible, right? That's the people who lived back then. Long ass time. Yeah, I mean, that was the thing. It was like 150, 200 something years. Like you're just like, what, rot? Yeah, that didn't... What if that shit was real? Didn't add up. Yeah. I mean, I feel like in our time, we're gonna see people start to break through like these, I wanna believe, I wanna believe like our boy Ben Greenfield is gonna live to 150. I wanna believe that. It would just be tragic if he doesn't. I feel like he might, he experiments with so many things that like half the stuff he's experimenting with was benefiting him and the other half is like fucking him up, you know what I mean? If he doesn't know which of these things is balanced. If he dies of something at like 80 or 90, it would be like, fuck man, all that. All that work. You know what? All that penis and anal stuff and all the crazy hours of meditation. It's so true. Is that how we closed you, Adam? Yeah, you just go straight to those two zones. You know what? That's just a lot, man. I have no interest in living. Input, output. I have no interest in living that long. Oh, really? Unless, unless. I wanna live 150. Well, I do too if I'm fricking functional to move and I can't take care of myself. I don't wanna just live. If you live to 150, you're gonna be functional at 100. You're not gonna live 50 years. I don't know, dude. I mean, yeah, put me out of my misery if I'm just totally. I don't know, dude, because if you look at Western medicine, we're keeping people alive for a long time, but not healthy for a long time. So it's like they're alive, but they're on all these medications. They're on all kinds of crazy shit. They don't have any mobility. I feel like most of the people that you see the, at least when the news puts up the, oh, Susan over in Sacramento lived to 105 and they show a video, or she looked pretty good at 105. Are these the smuckers? Not what are they? The smuckers, like 100 birthdays or what is that on the? It's on the news or something. Dave Letterman show? I don't know where I see it, but they do that and you see them and you're like, man, I mean, normally the ones that live beyond 100 were active or healthy or worked out or did things to keep them. There's always exceptions. I know someone's like, well, my grandfather smokes cigars every day. My great grandfather smokes cigarettes every day since he was like 12 and made it to like 92, I think. He could have lived until he was 150, son of a bitch. I remember when I was a kid, it was such a mind blowing thing for me to learn that your ears never stopped growing because it blew me away because it all made sense. I remember looking at old people when I was a kid and I was like, everybody's ears are so big. Yeah, and then I learned that I was like, oh, that's why. Their ears never stopped growing. And their nose hair and ear hair. Do you ever feel like you guys look at your own features like that and go like, fuck, it's different. I look different. Like my ears are different than what they were 10 years ago. Especially the exact, like, so I already have a big nose. I'm like, not excited about this whole idea of like getting old and it's just like my nose, my ears are just gonna keep going. Yeah, but what if your nose just accelerated but then everything else is gonna catch up and your nose is gonna stay about the same? Because that could be a possibility. Just get real fat, then your face will get bigger. That's the move, right? Let's get big old cherries. Kind of like a puppy, you know what I'm saying? Big old paws and shit, flopping around like your dog. And then you grow into, you know, your paws, they don't keep growing at the same rate as the rest of their body. They grow into the paws, right? So maybe you're gonna grow into your nose. Into your nose. Maybe. Where's your nose that big when you're a kid? You work into it. It was, yeah. That was always a pronounced feature. I don't feel like you have a big nose. You think you have a big nose? That's, yeah. Maybe because I got it broken like twice. I mean, it's a little ugly, but it's not big. I feel like it's normal size. I feel like you have a good nose. I actually adjusted it by myself, which was like a totally not the move. I don't suggest it. I think when your makeup's all done and you're done your hair and everything like that, we do these like little photos of that. I think you're the best looking one for sure. I agree. That's what Adam always tells me when you're not around. Are you, how do you think, how do you think we're all gonna look as we age? You know what I mean? You're gonna look the best because you've looked the same age since 1919. I don't think I will, dude. You know what's problem with me? I'll tell you the problem with me is that my face doesn't hold a lot of body fat. So I feel like I'm gonna just get fucking, I'm gonna get skinned and tore out. Adam's got the chubbiest cheek, so he's in. He does, he does. He's gonna be the most youthful looking in his skin. Yeah, but I got no, because I got skin stuff going on. I got psoriasis going on. I'm losing my hair. Like I'm gonna be a mess, dude. You'll be bald. You'll be bald. You'll wear those cool old manhats. You know, I just know you. You'll wear like one of those golfer fedoras. Justin's gonna have like purely white hair in like a few years. Yeah, I'm gonna be like Doc from Back to Future. Great Scott! Pretty much. I hope I age as well as Doug. That's what I hope. I think we're all hoping for that. That's the prayer. We're hoping some of his gut biome rubs off enough. Well, you're gonna eat his poops, though. He never did it. Remember, we were supposed to do that. I thought you said that if we hang out enough that part of it transfers to each other. Anyway, isn't it like sorority girls in their period? Is it not the same way? So far, though, I feel. Crop done. I know that's not true for some bacteria. That's not true, that's not how that works. So far, though, I think you guys are just getting my micropound. I think so, too. I'm not getting better. You guys are getting worse. I actually believe that. I've had more gut issues since I've been hanging out with you than I ever have, dude. Were you just pointing it out? And I was like blissfully ignorant for a minute. Yeah, but I was like, I'm doing fine, man. I'm doing fine. That's what it was. Like, oh, it's just constantly burning. You're still. When I started making comments about you painting the toilet, I'm like, we mean nobody. I'm the only one who shits like this. Nobody else does this. Why are they making fun of me? Justin still thinks dairy doesn't bother him. That's the thing. He still thinks this. It doesn't bother me. Extra cheese, please? Yeah. I think it does, though. I think it does. I know. I'll put that through the test. No, you won't. Never. How long exactly? I was going to say. Yeah. So what do you guys think in terms of like, because we talked about technology and how that's affecting people's postures and stuff, what do you guys think about in the future? What do you think are going to be the big challenges or breakthroughs for, I guess, for health? Like, what do you guys... Well, I think we're on this race to... I think I brought this up the other day when we were talking about something similar is, I think there's a lot of faith in science that it's going to evolve enough to counter all the shit that you're doing to it. Like, I think we're in hopes that like, sure, all this tech that we're like constantly absorbing might be doing some sort of brain damage, but I'm pretty sure by the time I'm like 35 or 40, this is like being a teenager saying this, right? Like that technology will be able to like erase that and start me over, you know what I'm saying? So I think there's a lot of faith in science that we're going to evolve past it. Like anything that we've had that we've put out there that has done some sort of harm to our health or our body, we've found something to do. Anything hard or inconvenient, for some reason, we've wanted to innovate and make things like... We invent things to make that whole process easier and every time we do that, we lose like our body's natural ability to do something it's supposed to do. Because you've got to ask yourself, how many people were freaked out when like the television came out? Could you imagine? What do you mean? It was called the boob tube, don't you guys remember? Yeah. I used to get hammered. I don't remember it coming out. Who came up with that anyway? The boob tube, what is that? I used to get hammered for watching, I used to love watching TV, right? I could sit in front of the TV for hours and I'd get hammered, but it'll melt, it'll rot your brain or don't watch too much TV, it's bad for your eyes or all these other things. So it was definitely viewed with the same, I guess, apprehension as technology. But there's a big difference. TV wasn't, it wasn't as rapid of... It didn't hit those dopamine levels like technology. Like I can look through. In comparison it did. It ruined sleep for a lot of people. Right, and in comparison to the people that never had it, it was such an extreme difference. So we're just at a whole never extreme level. That's the thing, that was like an introduction to this whole process of disrupting a lot of these natural rhythms our body goes through, right? And is that the argument, right, that this is the natural progression and evolution of all of it? Like is it really that big of a deal? Are we just a bunch of fucking old people that are going like, oh, it's gonna do all these bad things? Maybe, maybe, I feel like we're gonna, I feel like we'll see it in a generation or so and then we'll... But if you're already consuming it at this like 15 second insta-story rate, you know, where does it go from there? Like, I mean, are we gonna be like... And this is why I think Gary Vee believes in me. Holograms. No, this is why he believes like the audio thing is that the next level is like, you're consuming information in your ears while you're also like visually watching something else. So you're like... Your ability to process information will probably improve. I bet you kids today... Of course it will. Process more information when they're our age than we will, than we can now. I believe that. I'll give you an example of it. My son, you know, plays these video games on his computer, these like first person shooter games. If I watch him play for more than 10 minutes, I get nauseous. I actually get dizzy. Cause they're caught, he's moving so much and switching screens so often that I can't process it and it makes me... Like, I actually get nauseous. Yeah, you get dizzy from it. But he can process it very quickly cause he's trained himself and he's young, right? So, I mean, maybe something like that. Like maybe when they're older, you're right. It'll be audio visual touch. You build a multitask at very, very high levels. Cause the brain's adapted. Whereas we'll be like, slow down one thing at a time and they'll make fun of us. I wish I knew the author or the book title for like one of my friends brought up and I actually watched a Ted talk about this about somebody that was kind of defending video games and that it actually having a positive benefit to society in the fact that it actually collectively brings people together to solve problems and whether or not we were gonna start using that ability to solve bigger problems or like actual real world problems by putting like immersing people into these, this type of program to where we could all kind of figure things out and work together. They actually did that. There was a complex problem and I can't remember what it was if it was a physics problem or it was something with biology. But they made it in kind of a video game format and just let people go and try and figure it out and work together. And they did. They figured it out in a very, very short period of time. Really? Yeah, I can't remember what it was. That's interesting. They have websites where, and then they also have these websites where you can post your symptoms and issues that you have with yourself and you have a bunch of citizen scientists and like pre-med students get on there and for free, they'll help answer questions for you and try and figure it out and people are getting diagnoses from this website that they were able to get within a day that they've been going to doctors for 10 years and nobody could figure out because you have all these eyes looking at the problem for different reasons. Well, because I look at it too because we watched Ready Player One and we were all kind of impressed at the idea of that but one thing kind of struck me was so what they portrayed was everybody sort of going into this experience for themselves and they were immersed in the game to win points and collect things and become popular, like all for themselves is like their own experience and kind of an escapism versus like, what if they were to program it in a way where you interact with all these people but you're all solving things and you get dopamine hits from actually solving issues. So here's something that I've thought about. That's a very interesting theory. Here's something that I've thought about for a long time because you know the whole like we're living in a simulation theory, right? People talking about that. So I always think about that because I think it's a fun thought experiment but I thought to myself like, wow, let's say we had the technology and the capability to create a real simulation with semi-self-aware or self-aware programs within it that didn't know that they were programs, right? So we could create a society and we could observe it. What we could do then is we could plug in different problems and things to see how that society solves it. For example, let's say we wanna pass some public policy to improve the environment. Rather than passing it publicly to see how much it works or doesn't work. You run a simulation. You run simulations. Then that simulation tells you this one worked best. This one didn't work and then we apply it. And that's something I've been thinking about for a long time. That works a lot. Yeah, like how do we clean up the oceans? Oh cool. Let's try all these different applications within the simulation. Cause we do that now anyway. We do simulations all the time anyway. We just don't have the processing power or the technology yet to create a simulation where you'd have billions of independently of independent self-aware programs operating. That would really mimic the world. But if you did do that, I could imagine that that would be the first thing that we would do, right? Where we plug things in and say, okay, let's see what happens. I'm so disappointed in you that you still have yet to watch Westworld. So disappointed in you. I feel like the minute you're gonna- The look on your face. The look of disgust. It's like I'm angry, right? I feel like my dad just like, he doesn't wanna be my friend anymore. Because I know you so well. My son, I just, you know, I have so much more. Well Justin, tell me right now. Can you think of a single show that's on TV right now or that's been on TV in the last five years that fits Sal more than that show? No. No, because it really stretches, you know, your thought process and especially like with technology. And what we're talking about right now. Yeah, exactly. I'll try, I'll try. I watched a couple episodes and then we hadn't watched anymore. We gotta let the characters build, dude. All right, all right, all right. And that was just the first season, right? Jesus, the guy who reads the back of a book and is like, this isn't for me. Yeah. I did do that. It's not a faction. I did do that. I read the back. I don't like this book. You know, but looking ahead, I can say, I feel like I can predict, just based off of what I know and who knows, I'm guessing, right? But I feel like I can predict a few things that I think will make just revolutionary changes to how we approach health. Like I think there's three, there's three main things that I can see right now that I can identify that I think are gonna completely change how we approach different aspects of our health. One of them is the use of, cause you're starting to see lots and lots of studies on the use of psychedelic substances for mental health and psychology. I think that is gonna revolutionize psychiatric health completely. I don't think it's the like, let the public use it and change whatever. I do think that therapists and psychologists and psychiatrists are gonna be able to use these substances to get people to kind of break out of there. I don't think it's gonna be that big of a deal. Oh, I think it's gonna be huge, dude. 100%. I think it's gonna help. I think it's gonna be positive. I think it's similar to what we're finding with marijuana and cannabis and how many people that it can help. I don't think it's gonna be like, holy shit. Now for some people, I think it can be holy shit game changer, which is why it'll pass, why it will be utilized. And I'm all pro and all four. But I think that substances like that, that and that and ayahuasca and a lot of these other, these tools that people are using right now to become even more self aware. I think that they are huge for people that hadn't tapped into that. And so if you're somebody struggling relationship wise or you have PTSD or you have something that has got you stuck somewhere in your life and you get to chance to use this through therapy, I can see that being just. And that's where I think the revolution. But that's why I don't think it's a revolution and I don't think it's big enough. I don't think it's gonna be a large enough percentage. Dude, the preliminary studies are crazy, dude. I know, are we talking about it? And I think, and I'm. And I think in the right hands with the right therapists, I think when you're talking about people who are dealing with trauma or dealing with, like think about it this way, right? Here's a simple example, we're in fitness. From my standpoint, from where I'm sitting here in this chair, knowing what I know about fitness. When I see somebody who's 80 pounds overweight, it seems so fucking simple. I can look at them and be like, dude, you're killing yourself. And they can even say, I know, I feel terrible, I'm unhealthy, I just don't know why I can't change these things about myself. I can't figure it out, I don't know what's going on. I feel like those types of things used with therapy will get people to shift just enough to be like, fuck, those are the changes. I need to make those changes, and I will make those changes. I feel like it's gonna happen with addiction. I think it'll happen with depression, PTSD. I think it's gonna revolutionize talk therapy because talk therapy can be effective, but it takes a long fucking time. And it also requires that you are fearless enough to face your fears. If I had a terrible childhood abuse and trauma, one of the biggest stumbling blocks to dealing with that is being able to face it and just talk about it. You know how hard that is for some people? They didn't even wanna talk about it. Those substances so far, what the studies are showing is it allows people to, that's why they're so effective with PTSD. No doubt that I agree that it should be legal. I mean, we've talked in the show how I feel and we all feel about just drugs in general. But I think it's gonna be a revolution. I really do. I think it's gonna feel that way at first, the same way probably it feels for a lot of people now that are around cannabis in the last year or two because their state's just now getting on board, but for those of people like you and I that have been reading it and involved in it for a really long time, it's not so revolutionary to us anymore. It's like, these are obvious. And then what's gonna happen is just what we see with cannabis. You see people starting to bastardize it and glorify it. I think there's gonna be a lot of conversation, which is why I am already trying to change my tune around cannabis, as pro cannabis as I am, is again, just like anything else. So it's going too far. Right, it's going too far. It's gonna go now that it's gonna become legal, now it's the next cool thing. And I know this because the types of DMs that I'm getting, I get a lot of DMs about people wanting me to help them like, how do I use cannabis into my life? And I'm like, why? I mean, you don't need to have it in there. Just because I say I'm pro and I like it or whatever that doesn't mean like you should. So here's what I think and we'll use cannabis as an example. I think cannabinoid science will also revolutionize medicine in many ways. Now I don't think it's cannabis itself. Now cannabis itself, remember it comes in a plant, you can use it, you can smoke it, you can eat it, whatever. But we're still figuring out how the cannabinoid system really works and how to mess with it or play with it or modulate it to give you positive effects on your health. So I think cannabis was the door. Now we're walking through the door and we're going, holy shit, look at this entire system within the body. I mean, the receptor- Well, there's whole new areas of research that we're just starting to get into and the gut biome too. That's the other one. On top of all this topic with like chemicals that now we're able to legally sort of apply and see how this all plays out. I think that's definitely gonna be game changer. There's no doubt, I think we all agree on that one. That's another one. There's no doubt. We have microbiome, we have cannabinoid science, we have psychedelic reasons. Cause what I think is gonna happen with the psychedelics isn't so much, oh my God, magic mushrooms are so magical. It's gonna be learning about the human psyche. That's what it's gonna revolutionize. It's gonna let them, they're gonna be able to explore human consciousness. When you have people who've been doing this for a living from a Western medicine standpoint and now they've got this new tool, I feel like they're gonna understand the human psyche from a completely different angle. And that's what I think's gonna be revolutionized. It's like Western science is finally catching up to the holistic mentality. It's combining them. Yeah, now we're, yeah, exactly. It's the merger of all this. Because now we actually have definitions and we have studies that can kind of show how each one affects the different systems of the body. And I think that's gonna be really powerful. I think the microbiome ones, another one like, I think what's gonna happen at some point is they're gonna be able to look at your symptoms, your health problems, and they're gonna test your gut and then they're gonna be able to create a custom microbiome capsule or whatever that you take and it's gonna give you the ideal microbiome flora that you need for your particular body, for your particular issues. Don't you question though, if that's the right way to do it or not? The right way to do it? Right. You know, I know what you mean by that. Almost like a pill that gets you in shape. Right. Yeah, I know what you mean by that. I mean, because isn't that just gonna give me more free, it's just gonna tell me like, oh, fuck yeah, I can go fuck this up. Well, that's for all the old people, right? Like new, they're gonna genetically modify. You know, like people are gonna get into like, I wanna have a kid that has all these traits and I wanna have all this and like, literally it's gonna be a set option of all these different traits that you can just choose. And it's gonna be like, it's gonna get really weird on that end of it because now, you know, what are we doing? Like we're creating life in a sense, and making it, you know, exactly how I want it to play out versus just letting it happen. Yeah, yeah, here's another one, 3D printers. I just read this in Science Daily today. They are talking about 3D printing food. What? Yeah, so they're able to take carbohydrates, proteins, fats and print them in layers in ways that change their texture, their mouth feel and change their absorption. Wow. Right? With some real organic material. Yeah, yeah, so they'll be able to modify or change. So you'll have a certain macro nutrient profile, but when you eat it, it's gonna feel like something else or the way your body absorbs it's gonna change because now we can print things on a, at some point, molecular level. At some point, we'll be able to print molecule by molecule, you know, levels to where we'll be able to, like I'll be able to make a food look like whatever I want and change its texture and how your body absorbs it and have the macros that you want. That's processed food. So make your chicken breast taste like Snickers bar. Make it crunchy, make it softer, make it whatever. I mean, how crazy? That's what microwaves will look like in the future. Instead of like microwaving food, you like put your chicken breast in there and you like doot, doot, doot, doot and then out comes the popcorn flavored chicken breast now. They'll also be able to customize food materials that to exhibit longer storage times, enhanced functionality in terms of body absorption. How about that, right? Be able to maximize food through 3D printing, processed foods that you absorb it in a much more, I don't know, useful way or whatever. That's gonna be pretty fucking weird, man. That's weird. I mean, what we're talking about is basically we're all preparing for interstellar travel. You know, at that point, like we can manage all of that. We can have food where we just print it on demand and like so, yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting to think about that. Like, where are we all progressing towards? Yeah, I think 3D printers are gonna disrupt the world in such a massive, massive way and they're gonna try and regulate and control it as much as possible. I wonder how long it'll take for them to get off the ground because of that. Because of what? They're just trying to stop it. Because it's going to disrupt so much. You gotta know that anybody who's around it or knows that it's coming, knows that it's going to disrupt a ton of different industries and because of that, I feel like they're gonna make it really, really tough. I think they're scrambling right now. Yeah, they're already super accessible. Yeah, well, I think they're scrambling right now to figure out. I wanna see one. A real one. I see one on YouTube and show you that. They're so expensive and they don't really do the stuff that we're talking about yet. I think we're like 10, 15, 20 years away from, like really, like in your house, 3D printer that's cheap. You know, we're kind of, we're not there. But we're gonna get there to, at some point you'll be able to 3D print things on a molecular level, like I said, and you'll be able to make your own drugs. You know what I mean? I'll be able to print opium or- That's gonna be weird. You know, print medication. Well, before- I feel like that's probably in the very, very future. Right, like that's far from here. Like not- I don't know, dude. Dude, it's gotta be at least like- Think about what we've seen happen with the iPhone 1 to now. Just think about how much that has evolved. I mean, with Moore's law, that's all compounding, right? So it's gonna keep, it's gonna speed up. So as fast as we saw that, the next 10 years are gonna be, what, 10 times faster than that? Yeah. So think from that, so if there's a 3D printer already out and it's capable, what makes you think it's not gonna be evolved and then- That's crazy. It's just gonna change. It'll decentralize everything to such a crazy extent. I mean, patents will be obsolete. Yeah. You know, huge manufacturers and huge companies, these mega companies, they're gonna kind of become obsolete because you'll be able to 3D print in a fucking 3D printer. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's gonna decentralize everything to the point. Like, are they gonna be- Maybe right when the dollar is gone is a perfect time when this is all gonna happen. Yeah, maybe. How weird is that all this stuff is happening right now with all your bitcoins and things like that and then maybe money's gonna go away and it won't matter that money's going away because most all of us have a 3D printer in our house and can print majority of the things that we want or think we need. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. That's gonna be kind of weird. I don't think it's gonna be a challenge to humanity. I think it'll be a challenge to markets and manufacturers and stuff like that. And there may be like a kind of a power struggle, but I don't know, good luck. When something comes out that people want, it's like you can't stop it. Well, it's gonna be how we watch the music industry get disrupted. Oh. I mean, look how quick that flipped on its head and changed from being lawsuits with Napster and like, oh my God, trying to- Just trying as hard as I can. Yeah, trying so hard to stop it and then- Put a bottle cap on it. I mean, here we are now today that anybody who's been born in the last 10 years don't know any other way than to just get your music streamed to you. Like the only thing about walking down to a CD store- Do you guys think like the era of, you know, $150 million movie budgets is gonna be over pretty soon? Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's, you just see that already with Netflix and then creating all these series, like really well-produced series. And it's like, and just having that access on demand is, I mean, that's the direction we're going with everything. We wanna be able to have it when I wanna have it. It's not like this movie's coming out here, you know, this time and you have to be, it's like, that's not convenient for me, you know what I mean? Like everybody wants it like the way that they want it and so it just makes sense to me that there's just gonna be more of this streaming mentality. Well, look how much- Oh, look how much money into it. People go into the movies, how much it's declined in the last like five years. That's why they had to come out with that whole 9.99 and you get access to as many movies as you want because movies are just... And you see all these theaters scrambling right now. Look at how many of these theaters now are popping up with the loungers and then serve food and beer. Like they're doing everything they can to try and figure out how do we drive people in here because it's just getting to the point where we would much rather stay at home, watch it on my 80 inch big screen and stream it where I gotta pay 4.99 at the comfort of my own home. And what's happening now too is we're finding out that, I think the new model for movies are these five, six part series that are streamed together versus one long movie for two hours and that's it and it's over. It's taking that same concept and breaking it up in half hour, one hour slots. Yeah, that must be easier production wise. Of course. To string it out that way. And like the hustle for it's less than like, you already see, I'm sure it's like already affected a lot of people's jobs in the industry to where like they used to have like a solid, they knew like for a year, I'm gonna be shooting this, versus now it's just like, there's this. And in the past, there was so much more art to making a movie and creating a movie that Netflix is taking all the artistic part out and using analytics. So there it's, we can look and say, X amount of people love movies that are, watch adventure movies. They want this, they want X, Y and Z. You know, 90% of them want a character that is buff. 90% people want a black girl and a white guy and an Asian guy inside it. Like, I mean, they are literally starting to create movies for the analytics that we're giving them by the flicks that we already choose. I like Kevin Spacey with Kevin Bacon. Right. Two Kevin's make a right. Yeah. It's just like this algorithm that they just go. How soon until they figure out, how soon until the technology exists to make CGI so realistic that you won't even have actors anymore, it'll be pure, I know. That's already happened. They sell their likeness at that point. They did that in Star Wars, right? They did. How cool is that gonna be for like a future, see, and I believe this, okay? So on that point, I believe the future are these Instagram and YouTube stars that they already have 10 million people following them on YouTube. They have no acting skills whatsoever. It doesn't matter because we just want your look and your name and you pay the rights to me. You pay me a million dollars. I'm now the feature person on this film. Of course. Because you already have an audience. Yeah, they can use the CGI to make my voice, make my look. It's totally me. And then I can push it out to my four million people or 10 million people that are following me on YouTube. So as far as getting people to watch it, of course all my fans are gonna watch a movie that's produced around me, right? Yeah. The future of how movie stars will be. It's all like super engineered. Everything's super engineered versus, and you see this in the music industry too, like how they've honed in on certain chord structures, certain sounds that people respond to the best and then they just orchestrate these pop songs, these hit songs. You guys both have kids right now and you both have kids that use YouTube. If they, I don't know what movie you took both your kids to last, but if they had a choice between that movie that you just took them to or a stupid ass high school special type weird movie with their three favorites. Of course, it's a YouTube star. Right. They don't know movie stars. They know YouTube stars. They don't. And it could be the worst written movie. It could be terrible, but because it has two or three of their YouTube stars, they already follow. They would love to watch that, right? Yeah. That's where it's going. Yeah, it's gonna be. I jumped into a pool filled with lemons. Meh. Let's make a movie out of this. That's what YouTube is to me. You know, they just do dumb fucking shit. It's a pool of lemons. Yeah. YouTube. It's just a big pool of lemons. Hashtag pool of lemons. It's weird. I mean, there's definitely, my crotch on fire. There's definitely gonna be some interesting challenges for us. It's hard to predict, right? Because things are changing so quickly. It's gonna be hard to predict what's gonna pose. Like I just read an article about, I guess there was this, I don't remember where it was, but there was a group of psychologists, psychiatrists that got together and they all met and talked about the potential challenges of sex robots and what that's gonna cause. Yeah, it's gonna be crazy. And you know, I'll tell you what, like the separation of sex from reproduction happened largely in the 1960s, right? With birth control pill. All of a sudden women had control over their reproductive systems. And so they could have sex and not get pregnant. And it was much better control than, say, condoms was. And that caused some challenges there because for all of human history, you can't separate sex from reproduction from human connection. But we did, we separated one of those things. And so people argue as to whether or not that contributed to the higher divorce rate, if that contributed to all these different things. But it definitely was a challenge. It's definitely a challenge for us because it was something we need to learn about. Well now moving forward, if we develop these sex robots, like we've now eliminated the human element out of sex, but it's still kind of like a human. Or the repercussions of sex, or the responsibility of sex completely to where, now you have a robot that can fill your every fantasy and desire, is that a good or bad thing? I think that's gonna pose some pretty fucking crazy challenges for mankind moving forward. I think that'll be a big one. Like are people gonna wanna be with other people if they can just be with a robot? It scares the shit out of me to think about sticking my dick in a robot. I know that for sure. Even if I couldn't tell, right? Let's say it's amazing, I can't tell. But the fucking thing malfunctions, you know what? Why I'm in full throw, dude. And it just swings around or something really quick. Error, error. Right, like the Wi-Fi fucking goes down right in the middle of some shit. You know what I'm saying? What causes? Wow, she's sucking my dick. You know what I'm saying? Like all of a sudden the fucking- This isn't exit only. Disconnected, you see like, Wi-Fi disconnected. Why are you having sex with it? Let it go. Why are you having sex with it? Justin hacks it and makes it turn it. Yeah. His man voice comes over. No, you're a grimp. I don't get to work. I don't quit messing around there. He's all, hey, Sal, watch this. I'm gonna turn up the aggressive level to 15. He's throwing his safe word out. Think about it this way. I'll pose some questions to you. But once they get all that all out, like, yeah. I'll pose some questions to you right now. Let's say there's a couple and they like each other and have sex and they're pretty adventurous. And every once in a while they tease, you know, the husband or the guy's like, hey, you know, what if we had a threesome and they laugh, but they never actually do it. But would they do it with another robot? Now would they do a threesome? Yes. Maybe they would, think about all the, like, the things that people would allow themselves to do knowing that it's not a person. The only way that I see this, and I, you know- And I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I think the human people can get real crazy. I just rewatch Westworld. Yeah, right? I know. I agree. I've seen it. I just rewatched Ex Machina. Oh, what a great movie. I know. Such a good movie. What a great movie. Now, where I, because we're first gonna see the first sex robots come out and they're gonna be pretty lame, let's be honest. But if it evolves- This is gonna be a torso. If it evolves to Westworld, if it evolves to where the AI is like ridiculous, where it responds like a human would respond and they interact with you and they have like emotions and they can read your face signals I mean, now that's crazy. But right now, because I can't quite fathom that yet, I see this robot that is really real looking, feeling all that stuff like that, but then it's just not gonna have the same and intuitive responses that- Like you can tell it's a robot. Right, you can tell it's a robot. But in the Ex Machina movie, that's the whole test, right? That's the whole movie's all about that. Is it's gotta- We're gonna call it the Turing test, I think it's all about that. Yeah, something like that. And a human can't figure it out, right? So I mean, fuck, we get to that level, then yeah, then we're in Westworld, dude. Well then you've replaced people and it's, I mean, strange things are already happening with sex robots. Already, there's already brothels being opened up in certain countries where people can pay to have sex with a sex doll. There's already companies that are creating sex dolls to fill dysfunctional fetishes and weird things like some that look like kids or some that look like you can strangle them. Weird shit. Here's where it gets really edgy, right? Is, and we brought this up once before is what happens when they do that and rapist and- Yeah, murderers and pedophiles. It all goes down. I don't, you know what's funny? Like what happens when they show that, cause of course not every country, every society is gonna jump on board right away, but there's always gonna be that country that's edgy enough to do something in the past and say, okay, we're fine. You can have sex, everyone can have them. And now all of a sudden you see pedophiles and rapists and all those thing, and rape charges, things like that, declining. Well, so this is what the article talks about. You don't just let them do it and then you just monitor them. Well, this is what the article talked about and it said that, you know, people have said that but there's zero evidence that that would happen is what they said in the article. They said the opposite may be true. It may in fact- Promote more. It may in fact- Make you think it's more okay. Yeah, it may fuel it and create a, you know, like take away the taboo or, here's the thing with people. I guess you'd have that, you know what? I mean, you'd have to ask a rapist that or a pedophile that like, is it the thrill of it's not right and it's wrong that you're doing it, that you get off on that? Or is it just something you feel? Cause I would, I mean, I'm totally, I have no idea. I don't have any rapist friends or pedophiles friends. Rapist friends. No, usually friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but I would think that they think that they have some, you know, they're fucked up in the head and they know it and they still do it. Like it's like an addiction. Like you can't get away from it. And I would think there's some sort of a guilt that goes with that, but I don't know. Here's the scary thing about people. The scary thing about people is that we're capable of almost anything and it, and it's in, evidence is all around you. Look at the 20th century, look at what people were capable of in Nazi Germany and communist countries and what, there's still places in the world where they do terrible things and it's accepted. Like it's a strange, the human psyche is a very strange phenomena. And so some people think if we do this and allow this it will only normalize and create a situation where things get much worse. Yeah, that's like the worst case scenario. Yeah, who knows? You know what I mean? That's the thing that really the answer is the who knows. Nobody knows, but it's something that's so, never have we had sex with human-like figures that we thought were human. You're right though, it does present a whole new, like variables out there that could potentially be massive problems. I guarantee you people will marry robots, 100%. I guarantee you the next big, because we just had gay marriage, so now we're cool, right? Now we've kind of solved all of them and like you wanna marry who, you wanna marry, go for it. I think the future big, the big like discrimination or whatever you wanna call it, case is gonna be should we allow people to marry robots or should we give citizenship or rights and liberties to AI machines? Like let's say people wanna bang their robots and the robots are intelligent, artificial, but they're still robots and they love them now. They're in love with them. And so they go to court and they're like, they fight and they're like, look I love this robot, I'm not hurting anybody. Why can't this be a treat them like a sentient being? No, why can't we do this? And people may give in and be like, you know what, he's not hurting anybody. He loves the robot, fine, go for it, love it, right? Then the next thing will be, well now we need to give my robot rights. I wanna give my robot rights because I think that she's real or he's real. He thinks he's, you know, whatever, like that. I don't know if that'll ever happen because it's human rights, right? You're not human. No matter how badass we make them. That may actually be a very, what's the word, offensive thing to say in the future. It may actually be like, Adam Schaefer said on my pop episode, whatever that they're not human. You know what I'm saying? Like think about that. Yeah. Yeah. In the future, somebody's just like scrolling through our catalog and they're like, God, these guys, yeah. You know what I'm saying though? It's gonna be a crazy problem. I think it'll be a major challenge. We're gonna have to figure out what the fuck to do with that or, you know, what? Oh, I'm already fascinated with the one that we're dealing with right now and we've mentioned this multiple times on the show and going back to the sex dolls and porn and I think it's nuts what we're seeing with men and the erectile dysfunction. Just with pornography? Yeah, just with pornography. I mean, I trip out, I still trip out. Every day I get on my Instagram and naked asses and things flying up in my feet and stuff and I'm going like, damn, this is crazy, dude. I'm 37 years old, so it's like whatever. You know what I'm saying? I've seen enough naked bodies in my life that it's not a big deal, but I think like, dude, if I was a 17-year-old boy, like... Well, isn't that interesting that... Fuck the likes on the pictures, dude. I'm on here all day just checking out all these Instagram models. Do you know what I'm saying? That's all I'm doing as a 17-year-old. How that's affected real life too, with the way I've seen a lot more younger girls dressing super provocatively, whereas when we were growing up, no way. But it's almost like it's a competitive, I don't know, if I've seen that all the time on my phone and they're trying to get attention from a boy, I wonder what that looks like. Dude, my favorite is that I see all the time now is the cute little 18- to 20-year-old girl who's got her boyfriend falling around with a camera and taking pictures. Oh, my God. She's taking all the sexy poses and stuff like that. Yeah. Makes me want to just go on all those Instagram pages. I saw it in the pool, dude. It was so weird. Did you see it's everywhere? It's everywhere now. This girl was pretending to grab a beach ball and she was wearing a G-string and this guy's taking a picture and I'm like, what the hell is going on here? Is this a photo shoot? Yeah, I don't... I'm so glad now that Mind Pump's grown to the point where we actually have a videographer and photographer and a photographer, so I ain't gonna do that shit anymore, dude. Like, I just... It was my least favorite part about when we first started all this was having to post pictures and take pictures and do all the stuff. Oh, you know what the worst was? What was that one, the one that we abandoned that was like a new social media? Oh, yeah. That was like real time like you do like... What was that called, Adam? It was... Vero. No, no, no, no. No, it wasn't Vero. Periscope? Periscope. Periscope, thank you, Doug. Oh, that one. Oh, yeah, I think it was Vero we abandoned too. Yeah. Nothing happened with that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Periscope was... I hated that. Yeah. It's just like, you know, you don't see anybody. You just see yourself and then you see all these like, like hearts and everything. Like, it's so like fucking narcissistic. You know what we're saying? It's funny we were talking about that right now because I've been... I hate Insta stories too. Like I hate doing them myself. Just feels weird. Just feels narcissistic. It feels stupid to me. It feels filthy. Yeah, it does. Not in a good way either. And I know that, but I'm like trying to find my way like, how do I put like a cool positive spin on it to where? Cause I get it. I mean, if I'm somebody who listens to this show, I love the show. I would love to be able to interact with you guys. Right. So something that I... Some entertaining or something. I was talking to Taylor and you know, I guess we'll just talk about this. We'll talk about it live. We'll see if we get any response for it to if people really liked the idea. But I thought doing like a, you know, once a week. So, you know, so in a month's time you would sell Justin, Adam and Doug even where there's a, you know, 30 minute window on the main page where you can interact with and it's scheduled. So it's like Friday at 4 p.m. That would be cool. The first week or the first Friday the month is, you know, you can interact with Justin on the Mindput Media page and it's like a hot seat. It's just, you can ask him anything, personal stuff, fitness stuff. So that's fun. It's just the everyday thing, I think. Yeah. That's the part that I just can't do. I can't fake this. You know, and I see it in my feed all the time, all these motivational videos and people that are trying to teach others. And I know that they're coming from a good place. So this is not me talking shit. This is just my personal opinion on why I'm not a big fan of it myself. And I know some of these people and I see some of these people in their lives and it's like, dude, they're still trying to figure things out themselves, and then they're out here trying to give expert advice on motivation and what they need to be doing. And sometimes a lot of the information is really bad information, but it sounds cool because it's hyphy. And they got a cool car and they look good and they look awesome. Real dramatic music. Yeah, all that stuff. So I'm wondering where all that's gonna kind of transition and what's gonna happen to the evolution of that in the next three to five years because that's newest fuck. I mean, what were we doing that was like anything like? How old is Instagram? Only a couple of years, five maybe? Really? If that's it? Five years? Five years? That's crazy. It just took off and took over. Yeah, it's, I don't know. We'll see what it looks like. I have no idea what to predict. I wish I did because then I'd be a billionaire. I could create like a new social media platform. Well, it seems that we're getting, there's a demand for even being connected more and more and more. That's the scary thing, you know? I don't know, we're gonna have drones just flying by us. You know, what could very well happen is we'll reach a breaking point where we're getting more and more and more of the stuff where people are just gonna revert back and it's gonna become really, really cool to not be super connected, to not be on social media, to connect with nature, to be active, to take care of yourself in those other ways. We may just see a pendulum swing in the other direction, which is funny because we're not predicting that right now in this episode, but, you know, I wouldn't be surprised, you know? Well, I see a lot of... I don't know, dude, I remember we went through and we saw some Joey Swoles, for example, like he'd abandoned his Instagram handle, you know? And there's certain people like that that have gotten so much attention that now they just have abandoned it and are doing other things, but it's like, I feel like... Did he abandon his Joey Swole thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I didn't know, I'm blocked, so I don't know. I tried to find it. Yeah, he still blocked me, too. There's somebody else, like, just to check in on him. Have you guys seen who's all blocked to you? How many blocks are you up to now? How do I see who's blocked me? Well, you have to go to look at their page, so you'd have to go look at Joey Swoles right now to see that you're blocked. Joe Donnelly blocked me, Joey Swole blocked me. I don't know who else that's kind of big, yeah. I wonder what he's up to, huh? You know who I noticed? It was a couple of them Shreds guys. Remember that kid, Alex Turner, Alex Michael Turner with that, he's tidied it up. I think you and him... You and him got it in the middle. Oh, I did? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think he's blocked us, too. He popped up on my feed with, oh, with the guys from Live Fit, he's doing work with them. And I was like, what? Wait a second, isn't this like, these guys are all using each other. Like, it's so hilarious. All these brands are all like, and all these aspiring athletes or whatever the fuck you call them on Instagram want to be models, they just hop from like brand to brand to brand and then push the stuff. And I feel like it's creating this false perception of success as far as a business is concerned. And that's the biggest problem that I have when I see people trying to mimic what they see. And it's like, if you only knew that this... There's a slash in the pan. It is, it's not a real substantial business. I don't give a fuck if the kid's driving around a badass R8 or a badass fucking new, you know, Mercedes or Ferrari. It doesn't matter that he, because he's got these cool things that you see on Instagram, if he even has that, because a lot of these fuckers are brand to good. I think it's going to be cool to not show all that shit. That's what I think. I think right now it's cool to show how flashy and great you are, but at some point there's going to be a little bit of a backlash. I think there's going to be a backlash where people... I disagree with that. Dude, I am watching the... Here's the thing. There's you... I'm watching the whole like social justice warrior thing explode. And at some point it's going to be like, hey, you rich person, you spent all that money on whatever you could have been. And then people are going to show off how much they help people. No. Are they seeing it with the market, dude? No. No. See, this is you sounding like you're 40. You know what I'm saying? Like this is... You're talking to maybe our generation like starts to give a backlash of it. Maybe people that are listening to the show right now. No, I think the younger people are the ones that are seeking it. Really? Well, let me ask you this. Not as long as Netflix and movie stars and all that stuff still exists and cool flashy shit. Well, no, let me ask you this. How many food companies and companies in general, do you remember as a kid that advertised how much they donated to other people? That doesn't matter. How environmentally friendly they were. That's different. You're appealing to your nutrition and the desire to want, especially with kids that are underprivileged, man. And you, as a kid that grew up poor and didn't have things and you see movies and you see cool cars and you know people that have that stuff like that, you want it, dude. And when you're that young, you don't realize why you want it and you don't realize why you're driven to have it so bad. We'll see the statistics are showing that millennials want to own less and want to share more or they want to be able to share more with like this gig economy. No, I agree with that. No, I think that. And so I think what's happening and you can already see, like I said, you used to never see companies that were like, hey, for every membership you buy with us, we'll donate one to a family or here's the charities we work for or look at our packaging. It's environmentally friendly. Nobody gave a shit before. Today it's like a selling point. Like, oh, that's a nice company. But what do they do for poor people or what do they do for the environment? That's a thing now. I agree with all of that. But I think you were talking about too much. You don't think there's gonna be a backlash when they're showing like, dude, look at that celebrity, like who's just flaunting all the fricking yachts and shit that they have. I think that already happens now. I think there's already people that don't like that and it bothers them and a lot of them are jealous and haters. I think that they still draw like the most eyes. For sure. And so yeah, I think, I definitely think that's changing as far as like that being in favor, but it's still gonna be popular. But I do think that there might be some... I mean, I still watch them. I still like them. You know what I'm saying? I still watch it. I mean, a cool car. I like cool cars, dude. You got me, you know what I'm saying? Like, even if I think you're an idiot, you know what I'm saying? And I think that's a terrible way to sell a protein drink. No matter what, it doesn't matter. I'm still watching. I'm still watching. I just think what's happening is that the kids that are trying to emulate those, these people that have X amount of followers and are using strategies like this to gain attention, they don't realize that attention and building a business aren't the same thing. And just because you have a bunch of eyes on you and attention for having a flashy car and doing those things, doesn't mean you have a great business plan. And even if you are making a little... I mean, you know what? Here's one time about backlashes that we're gonna see that I think is fascinating. And I'm not gonna call somebody out. I feel like I want to though. I really do. I really do. I'm proud of you. So I openly admit that our apparel line or our merch line, what the fuck you want to call it? What are the trendy word for it is now? Basically a way for us to advertise because people buy our shirts and wear it and rep it because they like the brand. You know, we get shirts from overseas. We get the best quality we can for the cheapest price. It usually ranges somewhere between $8 to $12 a shirt that it cost us. And then we flip it for double the price. And that's how much money we make off of it. This model is the same model that almost every single person you see on Instagram that has millions of followers is using right now. And the bottom line is, I mean, it's a t-shirt. It's cool, but it's not that fucking cool. You know what I'm saying? And I think that more and more people are gonna become savvy there. And many of these people that we know that have hundreds of thousands or millions of followers, most of them are making six figures plus off of this quote unquote merch line or apparel line. I saw some stats on Jake Paul or whatever and the amount of money. Yeah, Logan Paul and those guys, yeah. That's like 30 million dollars a year on it. Over half of their income is just from that. Yeah, like that stuff that will blow up, dude. You're not a fashion designer. You know what I'm saying? Like your shit's cool for a bunch of 17-year-old kids that, again, that are tuning in because of your Ferrari. It's just their logo that's on it. It's like nothing fucking at all to it. Yeah, dude, that stuff is gonna, that stuff will die, dude, eventually die really quick here. And I'm not saying, again, we do that, but we don't look at it as even, I remember when we sat in this, you know, the last studio and we all talked about it, like when we got a big enough following that was asking for shirts, we all sat in a room and were like, nah, I really didn't want anything to do with it. I was anti it for a long time. No, I know, it's a tough business. And plus, that's why I too are seeking companies like Viori and like really good quality, like, you know, clothing that we can rep. But at the same time, it's like, I mean, you have to put a lot of effort into it to get to that point. We know Joe, the owner, what he's probably doing today, why we're over here processing materials and he's like going through and like staying current with like all these fashion trends and like, yes. Like these guys, these, and you see it a lot in the fitness space. It's big in the fitness space is to do this and then flip and sell clothes, but none of them have any good ideas. Well, I think when you have a, when you make a big impact on people, they just want to give you, I mean, seriously, they just want to give you money. Right. As long as you give them a reason to give you money, like what's called Patreon, you know, like people like, you know, Jordan Peterson on Patreon makes well over six figures a month, a month. Crazy. By the way, all of his talks, and he's one person, there's other people under that make a lot of money. Sure, but my point is, my point is all of his talks that he does on that people are paying for are free. People are literally just giving him money to listen to shit that you can find for free on YouTube. How fucking crazy is that? Yeah, but I love that though. Because to me, that's his, he's adding so much value to people's lives. Well, that's what I'm saying. That was the thing that we almost did a Patreon. Remember when we first started to, we talked about that before we started to monetize and so many people said, can we contribute to the mind pump movement because you've impacted my life so much. And we just didn't want to do that. Like, and I think if we, if we, if we all didn't have other businesses that we had income coming in, I think maybe that would have been something we considered because we would have been stuck in a situation where the business isn't making any money for at least a year or two, and we would need that. So I can see that. I just think it's just. But that, that to me, that model is a, you know, I love that model. It's, you know, I'm, I'm going to provide so much goddamn value that people are going to want to give me money. And that to me, that's, that's building a business, dude. Like that is really building a business. Cause then you can. Well, that's back to the root of it, right? Like I made such a fucking awesome product and I did it all out of my own resources and sweat and labor and all this that like, you appreciated it so much. You gave me this money for it, right? I wasn't determining that price point. Right. That's, but in because things are so easily accessible and so free, I think that's probably the future of a lot of, you know, a lot of this stuff. I really do. I mean, being able to sell things online and sell, I mean, look at music. Like we talked about music earlier, like it used to be like now musicians make a lot of their money in concerts live because they're not making as much as they were selling their, they used to sell CDs and tapes. Now it's, you know, now it's, it's, you're buying into the likes into dollars. Yeah. Like you get likes and that's, that's little, right? Like they would try that shit and then all of a sudden. Oh, yeah. Then you see what we see right now. What I see right now, which is nuts is so many of these people chasing the YouTube, chasing the Instagram, Facebook algorithms. You know, it's like this, you know, back and forth game that the, that the company is making and then the consumers are of, you know, and their entire business relies on that. They need 10,000 eyes a day to make sure they sell 20 shirts a day. And if they don't have that, then they're not going to sell that. So how about this? Because obviously Instagram, Facebook and all these media platforms have an algorithm and they could very easily control that and change and make sure that someone pops up when they're on the front page or whatever. How long until Instagram and those companies figure that figure out, hey, why don't we create this person? Why don't we put this person on the front page, use them to indirectly sell and make money or influence the audience? Or nothing's to stop them from saying like, okay, well, you know, here's your top 10, you know, people on YouTube or on Instagram that are, that have businesses that are seven figure or eight figures and then them dipping their hands in the pot, saying like, hey, we're going to feature you as the top 10 Instagram stars or top 10 businesses on Instagram. And we're going to go ahead and take 25% of your business. Sure. And who would, you can't say no to it. Sure. Right now, the only thing stopping them is integrity, but we know how long that will last. I mean, it's true. It's absolutely true. I mean, right now you can make YouTube videos and you can post and advertise your own shit. At some point they'll tell you not to anymore. They're going to tell you can't do that anymore. I know. You know what I mean? You're not going to be able to advertise your own stuff on YouTube in the future. I guarantee it. Yeah, it's really interesting to see where that's going to go for us. I mean, that's something that we constantly are looking at like, okay, where is this platform going to go? And like how important is it if we try and monetize it? Like I have no idea what that's going to look like in the future. Which is why too, we go really slow with it. I mean, this has been a constant battle with us and our marketing team. Because of course our marketing team looks at everything like leads and conversions and dollars. But I don't look at every part of our business like that. Sometimes it's like, okay, well, we got to be thinking of what happens when that happens, right? What happens when the company starts to say, or the YouTube or whatever says, you can no longer sell or market or do any of those things and you have now built a structure and infrastructure around that. Like that's a big fucking deal. They'll do it. Yeah, that's a big deal. You hire two employees. If YouTube was generating us $20,000 to $30,000 revenue, we'd have multiple employees, more employees than we already have around that to keep it going and producing. And then to think that they could all of a sudden change that, they'd change that. Now I'm fucked. I'm still paying those employees, you know what I'm saying? But then now I'm not getting paid for that, like fuck. Well, I mean it's what happened many times with Facebook where you've got people making seven figures through advertising on Facebook. Facebook changes the algorithm. Overnight they go from seven figures to six figures. Overnight, you know? I mean, they'll do it. They've done it before, they'll do it again. Same thing with Google and their AdWords and it's like, they'll change it right away and you're fucked. Amazon does it. Amazon does it, yeah. Yeah, so it's like, hmm, I don't know. Interesting, we're kind of at the mercy of a lot of these big companies, man. That being said, I still think it's phenomenal what they've done for us. I mean, how cool is that? Oh my God. I mean, think of just the history that Google has now. Like if you search something and it pops up on the first page, you can damn well feel that it's a solid article or it's got solid information because it's got so many people have looked over it already and criticized the shit out of it or liked it to death or shared it to death. And that's all part of the algorithm for it to even get up there. So I mean, that's kind of cool. It's pretty cool that we can access information and also feel good about the information that you're accessing because of things like that. I think that's pretty neat. Excellent. So check it out. We all have Instagram pages. You can find us all on Instagram. My page is Mind Pump Sal. Adam is found at Mind Pump Adam and Justin is at Mind Pump Justin. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. 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