 You mean you're the one that makes nice spaces for me? No, that was Tom You don't have to do that. I think about how nice that is though. I love it. I like negative space, so I'm huge fan of it It's a positive negative space. It's a negative part of it when I had a phone All right, here we go ready. Yep. Well, that didn't work. Well, I Forgot to turn it up. Here we go Podcasts about technology in your daily lives from people who like to put pants on frogs and one guy with a trustworthy looking beard The Daily Tech News show with Tom Merritt is brought to you by You and I at Daily Tech news show comm slash donate This is the Daily Tech news and it is Wednesday July 1st 2015 on Tom Merritt joining me today Scott Johnson DTS contributor and a chief frog pancer. How's it going? Scott Johnson? I'm thrilled to be here stoked to be with you and looking forward to whatever today may we have a Slam bang lineup of worldwide tech news always on Including Peter Wells coming to us from the early morning of tomorrow in Australia. How's it going Peter? It's going very very well, Tom. How are you sir? How are you Scott doing great? It's good to have you here The time isn't there. It's like 6 a.m. You're a crazy person. Yes 632 I well, this is this is a little bit more worldwide than our Apple's version of worldwide Which is New York LA and London so this is a little bit nicer, you know We've actually skipped a hemisphere didn't they They seem to miss us quite a bit, but that's okay. We used to it by now I mean at least Brazilia or if not somewhere in Australia come on I don't know put a New Zealander in charge of the place, right? Yeah, I guess so, but you know, he's been out of the country for a very long time. So Yeah, he has and by the way to everyone who pointed out that my pale imitation of Zane Lowe yesterday Was in no way a New Zealand accent. Believe me. You didn't want to hear me even you didn't want to hear me Do what I did you certainly didn't want me to make it worse by me trying to do a Kiwi accent So and they could always expand it who knows Paul Hogan the DJ the nighttime Australian audience I'm ready for it. All right. Well promise Not a ton of Apple music conversation today, but there is some from you guys who wrote in with thoughts about it We'll get to that later on in the show. We're gonna talk about some Minecraft educational opportunities after the headlines The Verge reports on an update rolling out to snapchat on Android and iOS today among the changes You no longer have to keep your finger on the screen to view snaps and stories There are also two new ways to add friends one called add nearby finds anyone else who happens to be looking at The add nearby feature while they are in your vicinity The other lets you use a screenshot of a QR code to add someone not just pointing your camera to QR code But if you have it in your camera roll, you can pull it in as an image Let's get back to this though Peter Wells, you don't have to hold your finger on the snapchat anymore. That just changes everything It does it does but they needed to do this for accessibility reasons. You know, they've said that on stage so Yeah, it is weird when you know something that's so it's so kind of I don't know is the idea that you always approach an app to Changes like this, but you know, I guess they had to do it. I really like this nearby feature I think that that could be I work at a university. I could see that Location-based stuff becoming pretty big amongst the students we have on campus. Sorry Yeah, it's weird I it's funny because the mechanism the primary mechanism has always been to hold that thing down But this this to me is just one step in many where they have that they've taken to get away from being this little secret image-share thing to something much more large and broad and I think they have to kind of slowly evolve it You do it all at once and you'll freak out your user base, but I think in a couple of years it will not be anything like The app it used to be in my well, that's smart. Yeah, but it's good Yeah, does that mean we will see the the little what is it the ghost the jelly man disappeared then Is that ever gonna go away? I hope so because it's ugly and dumb I would Very well made it so to me it's like the reddit logo one day Out of here man. That thing is bad. I do think the nearby feature is cleverly done where it's not just everyone nearby So it's not constantly pinging your location. It's only when you're in that feature Which means you kind of have to be talking like oh, hey, what's you? What are you on snapchat? Well, hold on I'll just launch nearby you launch nearby and then I'll find you easily. Yeah, that's just kind of cool Or if you're bored enough to be in that menu then maybe you'll say Looking for friends. Yeah, yeah, really bored. Fortune is reporting Facebook changed its logo. What did anybody notice? I did because I'm a typography nerd But anyway the a and Facebook is now a simpler single story a the letters are slimmer. There's more white space It's basically a different font if you just want to look at it in a very simple way Facebook apparently wanted to modernize the logo make it more suitable for viewing on mobile And now it sinks in that you guys were trying to transition to this story when you're talking about Well, we learned from the master Tom The the change is funny because if you hold the old logo up to the new logo If you look at him separately, you're not even thinking about it It's no big deal But those two different kinds of a's really stand out if you're comparing them and now it feels weird to see the old one So, you know, whatever companies make these small changes all the time speaking about a small incremental change That no one will notice this is like, you know lead story for that but in typography circles this sort of thing makes sense And I think it's fine Good on them Recode reports Facebook is offering a few dozen partners 55% of revenue from ads shown next to certain videos That starts this autumn Selected partners like the NBA or funny or die will be able to make money off videos featured in a new area called Suggested videos kind of like a news feed for videos ads in the suggested video feed Are independent. They're not pre-rolls, but they are autoplay. So as you scroll past them, they start playing And they feature comes to iOS within weeks Android on the web in a few months The the revenue from a particular ad would be split up to whatever videos you watched in proc in In the same part of the feed so it could be split amongst various videos everyone's I think rightly considering this a Shot against YouTube or or at least Facebook's way of trying to get a little of that ad money that YouTube gets But I don't know that it's exact I think it's a clear difference of approach from YouTube a because it's going after high-level partners at the beginning and B because I think it's less intrusive than a pre-roll frankly Yeah, my prediction is this and Peter you can I want you to argue this if think I'm wrong But my prediction is they'll roll this out Everyone on Facebook will freak out for about seven days and say they're gonna quit They're gonna go somewhere else They have a big canary and then everyone will stop talking about it They will have stayed on Facebook and no one will talk about it again See, I will argue I don't even think people will freak out about this just because I've got a hinted to Justin Robert Young actually that I cannot believe that Facebook pulled off auto play video and and made it work. I mean I I Know I spend more time in Facebook these days. I'm not a huge Facebook fan myself But I do spend more time these days and I will sit and watch Silently as that video starts as I'm scrolling through my feed And I've watched stuff that I would never normally have clicked on in the past That you know, it's it's just intriguing enough in those first few seconds that I'll I'll stop scrolling And I'll sit down and watch that video so I can see myself yet getting right into this I mean the they're all it's all North American content at this stage But I'm I could definitely see myself Wasting even more time in Facebook, which is exactly what they want Well, be ready because it's coming Mark German of 9 to 5 Mac is out of the game with two new rumors about the next iPhone It'll start with the first one here German source showed him a picture of the logic board with Qualcomm's 9x35 Gobi modem platform That chip is more powerful and efficient and smaller and the best part is it supports LTE Speeds up to 300 megabits per second There's some rumors or there's some talk floating around that this also frees up room for additional battery space But that's sort of an unsourced rumor. Yeah, hey, guess what guys new iPhone coming new a new chip in it So it's probably gonna look totally different, right? Well, no the source image shows a case for the next iPhone almost identical in size and design to the current iPhone 6 and 6 pluses Everything else camera holes connectors speakers mic all of it's the same So how do you know it's not just a picture of the current iPhone case? well, there is different internal mounting structure and of course Mark Garmin has trust in his sources But yeah, it sounds like more power not more powerful so much as more power efficient so we have possibly better battery life and Faster, do you think the battery savings that will be passed on to us? I mean, I know the say the Samsung Galaxy s6 had a better battery than the s5 But by the time it came out the battery life was actually worse because it's powering a more powerful screen more pixels brighter screen So, you know, do you think that Apple will just take back all those battery gains that they find with this new chip? They tend to be this is one thing I'll give Apple some big credit for it they've always been pretty straight up about how batteries gonna work and what they usually estimate on stage is typically what we get and That's not always the case with a lot of manufacturers They'll they'll promise something and then you know it there's a lot of sort of the asterix's and you know footnotes about These conditions that somehow this battery was was charged or uncharged under and they've always been pretty straight up on that I also think we've seen a trend with them as they've gotten further and further down the line that new phones have bigger batteries because the features they're adding to the phone require them or the chips that are in the phone are less power-intensive So you're you know saving some some stuff there But I think they know there's a certain threshold and if it goes any lower than that that you very unhappy Or current you know for a brand new phone There's an expectation of full-day use if they start undercutting that too much Nobody's happy. Yeah. I don't think they'll ever go under the kind of 10 hour Battery which is seems to be what they've been aiming for for the last couple of generations. Yeah, I'm wondering I just wonder if you know when I don't know if you saw Phil Schiller on groupers show But you know he was mentioning the fact that he they are listening to The calls for better battery life and not always going for a thinner phone And I'm wondering if they're gonna take that to heart. You know six plus battery life is apparently quite good It's the iPhone 6 battery life That's not terribly different and it feel like when you're in these talk cycles where you don't change the design But you put a feature in like Siri or the fingerprint identification That upping the battery life is another way to maybe encourage people to adopt the new phone Yeah, and they often bring that up on stage check this out PC magazine is reporting something It's something I'm excited about actually YouTube is announced you can now watch live video at 60 frames per son Non-live I say live. I meant non non-live man. We get emails about that 60 second and it's Android and iOS apps the higher frame rate was already available on the desktop and has been for a while Apple TV and PlayStation as well. It's not available for mobile web or third-party apps yet, but important to note gamers are excited about this because Their games will now run at a glorious 60 frames per second They can record that way upload it to YouTube and have it retained that way and now watched on Mobile that way so very exciting. I'm actually more concerned or not concerned But curious if they'll integrate 60 frames per second in their new YouTube games thing initiative which launches soon Twitch offers that now for their live streaming service. So 60 frames per second live would be really nice But for now it's all on demand And this is just YouTube. It's not the gaming app which is still in beta So I imagine this is a a way of of just extending Those features to all the apps it'll be interesting to see if they do bring live streaming To these apps as well. That would be good and you kind of need it if you want that gaming app to compete with twitch in the live It's arena TechCrunch reports a regional court in austria austria not australia Uh, this court ruled as inadmissible a class action lawsuit brought against facebook by max schrems The suit claimed facebook had violated eu's privacy protection laws and data protection laws The austrian court said it had no jurisdiction in the case because facebook's headquarters is in double And the case should be filed in ireland The judge also raised questions about schrems status as a private individual saying that he organizes vocal protests against privacy violators Uh, and so he might be considered a public figure rather than a private citizen, uh, which I thought was odd Uh, everyone including max schrems says they're going to appeal the ruling and that they found the argument rather strange I wonder what the threshold for that is could somebody come after you or me as a podcaster because we have some public footprint and Do terrible litigious things to us because well now it's it's the reverse right schrems is trying to say I'm just a citizen of the eu and so I can bring a class action lawsuit against facebook and the court's saying I don't know that you're just a citizen of the eu you seem to be leading an organization So we don't know that you can be a member of the class In other words a lawyer can't be a member of the class right because he's a lawyer. He's an officer of the court Right. Yeah, that's interesting. I'm just thinking if I let's say I wanted to do I don't know I want to sue the people who made it possible for these voles to get in my window well and die Which happened yesterday. So let's say that something I want to do can't could somebody Legally say well, hold on a minute. You're not just a concerned citizen here Even though in the context of the dead rat I am But you're a guy who has some public Some sort of public's you know standing or whatever. I just wonder how what that threshold is because at some point You're not and then you are and I don't know what that you know, that's well It's different in every country and I don't know in your vol case. I'm not a lawyer How that would work out? But I I could say that I see where they're going with max shrems Which is he's trying to bring the case saying I'm one of the class and they are I don't think it's right, but they are saying well, are you one of the class or are you the guy leading the Class like if you ran a competitive vol removal service Uh, then I don't think you could be one of the class. They would they'd kick me out of the court for making bad metaphors. That's what Uh, Reuters reports india's prime minister, and I'm not going to say his name Narendra Modi Thank you is leading a digital week meant to deliver on a campaign promise to connect 250 000 villages in india by 2019 that is right around the corner in in those kinds of contexts Officials will announce billions of dollars in investment and plans to stop net imports of technology and electronics by 2020 This is all with the aim of creating 100 million jobs And before this week the main thing these guys focused on other government have been credited for was bringing wi-fi to the Taj Mahal Free wi-fi particularly. Wow, that's great. Yeah, who benefits from that tourists and things Uh, yeah, anybody who goes to the Taj Mahal wants to use wi-fi. I guess right interesting Nobody lives in there though, right? I don't know There probably are a few people living in there, but I imagine it's without permission Uh, yeah, no, this is uh Narendra Modi campaigned in part on bringing india, you know a digital revolution And so this is the week where he tries to convince people that he meant it all right Bring it on the independent reports that erin the administrator for ip addresses in north america has become the last regional Registry to activate its unmet requests policy I mean somebody requested more available ipv4 v4 addresses in a block than they had to give Uh, while erin has some smaller blocks of addresses available The organization is encouraging companies to make use of the ipv4 transfer market or you know, maybe switched ipv6 already You know what he was waiting for and cheese the rap reports of the full-length trailer for the feature film called the steve jobs They're real subtle on that title Was released today the trailer features michael fastbender as jobs I was actually led to believe by a little bit of linkbait that it would he was unrecognizable as michael fast so recognizable Yeah, he is entirely recognizable as freaking magneto with the crap they're talking about anyway And seth rogan yelling i mean playing steve wasniak. He looked real sad. This is a very sad steve wasniak He was unrecognizable scott As steve wasniak maybe It's a little like the green hornet couldn't figure it out. Anyway It was an october 9th release date. It's directed by danie boyle It's another thing i'll say is this the most the least Danny boyle looking trailer i've ever seen as danie boyle movies go anyway Written by the social network screenwriter erin sorkin west wing sports night all these good shows No, uh, true to the rumors that erin sorkin's next movie is about the founding of linkedin. Come on read No one's gonna want that many emails Uh, I please make that happen now. Uh, I would like that Did you guys watch the trailer? I watched it and I felt like oh, okay, so they're telling the steve job story Um, yeah, but it feels like they're just telling me I can't tell what they're telling. I can't tell, you know a lot of all the talk early on was all this will be based in part on Uh, what's his name's biography and uh, well, uh, was it waltz simonsons? Yeah. No, who is it? Walter isaac's and isaac's and simonson What am I saying? Um, and and i'm not feeling that i'm feeling less early life more Uh, revolutionary come back to the company. Maybe maybe sort of depict him getting booted by Um Dumber I can't think of his name actor Jeff daniels. Jeff daniels Yeah, uh getting booted by him and then sort of forward for that which is all very interesting to me But I can't I can't really get a honestly tom. I don't have a pulse on this I don't know what to think yet Well, it definitely I think you're right there scott that it feels a hell of a lot more sorkin than it feels Any anything like a dany boil Pick but I mean it's got to be better than the ashton kutcher thing, but um, I mean, I don't think that's a huge hurdle to to cross but Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's not i'm not feeling it right now. Apparently the the hook of the movie is it's actually Set between it's just three nights of keynotes. So Uh, you know, it's all gonna be putting on a show which also sorkin loves to do so But clearly some flashbacks and stuff because he's you know, got different air and different scenes and they're They're people at different ages being depicted or whatever. So yeah, I I mean, I really like sorkin and I really like dany boil So and I really like fastbender. So I feel like all the ingredients are there for something rad But um, I don't know the trailer and I'll try you know trailers. What are they good for it? Sometimes maybe that's this it's just not enough to show it here But I'm I'm nonetheless going to see it and hopefully we'll enjoy it watch it Don't watch it. It's entirely up to you. Like what you want me to New numbers from the canter world panel for the quarter ending in may show android gaining back 2.8 percentage points in market share in the united states for a total of 64.9 percent credit is given to strong sales of the samsung galaxy s6 in that market android dropped 2.9 points in europe though Uh, at least in the europe big five markets canter puts together great britain germany france italy and spain Into one big number bundle the iphone 6 topped the charts in all those markets except for spain In china apple huawei and xiaomi were the top three in order all within a half percentage point of each other so that's a Smartphone eat smartphone market over there. It's interesting to see this the shift and to see almost the identical growth here versus drop over there It's also You reminded me that if I could just have tom merit tag around with me all day and pronounce all my unpronounceable words I'd be Xiaomi Xiaomi We see quite a few uh huawei is down here and that's how we say down here by the way, scott huawei Uh, but yes, uh, yeah, quite a few huawei is uh kicking around in a good old sydney town But we do have a huge um chinese population. So I I have seen you know that I love the the m8 I don't know the m7. I think it's called the mate seven. Is this gigantic huawei phone? You can't miss it when you see one on a train Let's take a look at some news from you They come from our sub reddit daily tech news show dot reddit.com as do many other stories Within the lineup abitue la condulce reports that the fbi is searching for suspects who have been cutting Fiber optic cables in california's bay area disrupting internet service as far north as seattle as a result Wall Street Journal reports that cables in livermore california were severed early tuesday morning Causing disruption to microsoft's azure cloud computing service and to services provided by hurricane electric and wave broadband Whoa physical cutting uh, there was even shooting in san jose where they shot out power transformers like this is a weird Mystery here. Yeah, well, you know what? I have a forecast kicking around in my head about the idea that hacking would stop coming from Brilliant coders and we'd start seeing like physical takedown of facility type stuff Infrastructure and maybe it's all come true Starfury zeta passed along the ars technical story that starting today hundreds of mobile apps will be allowed to be sold in the google play And firefox apps not be allowed. I only correct you because it's entirely the opposite of what you say I'm sorry. No, don't be sorry. I admit it's not every time Because they have been refused classification. They will not be allowed It's a pilot program that requires all apps to be rated by the international age rating coalition or the arc arc for short those refused Classification cannot be sold in participating app stores So if you want to play shroom tycoon or is this right pop pet or is that okay? Looks like you'll have to side load Yeah, all your dirty apps man. Gotta go another way So have you been have you been keeping up on this story? This is your your neck of the woods. I have but All right, you're talking to peter, but I just want to say because this is in australia Never heard of pop pet explain that too, peter I look at hey, I don't know about pop pet either, but um, yeah, we we do have a classification's board for games that's basically You are refused classification if you go over the r rating, which is anything to deal with do with sex and Well, basically, yeah depictions of sex will kind of make sure a game gets banned in this country Um, but you know, it's better than we used to have you we used to have quite a few games refused classification Based on violence that generally doesn't happen anymore. Yeah, interesting interesting to see. This is actually a voluntary I believe this is a voluntary things because The government kind of doesn't want to spend the money reviewing games anymore, especially when it when it comes to um Market as big as mobile gaming that they've realized that It might be better to kind of outsource this to to a group that is already doing ratings So I think this is part of that that first step You guys were famous for a while for being the country that banned gta outright and you know Absolutely could not get there which created a bunch of black market stuff It's some of that stuff is softening a little bit over there. Well, yeah actually gta We always got through because it was a big enough title that they'd recoded for us. So Yeah, there were certain things I'm sure you can kind of guess some of the things that were removed from gta in the past to make it Go on sale in Australia. But yeah, um, yeah, we've always managed to somehow get gta But it was left for dead and things like that where uh, the gore was taken out for for the Australian market. Gotcha And that is a look at the headlines All right, uh, if you don't know minecraft is huge in education non-profit common sense media which runs the education review site graphic graphite Gives minecraft its highest rating for learning teacher gaming's minecraft edu Makes a custom edition of minecraft for classroom use that it sells to schools at a discount In fact today minecraft edu or teaching games that makes it announced computer craft edu Which uses programmable turtles to teach computational thinking and you can have the turtle Automatically do things and some extend some things that you would usually do in minecraft Last week you may have seen kicking around the headline that youth digital out of north carolina announced server design one Uh, of course that teaches kids 8 to 14 to code develop apps and design 3d modeling using minecraft It's a 250 a year subscription for your curriculum your tools and your hosting And then today making the headlines is that microsoft has launched finally education dot minecraft dot net A resource center for educators with updates on programs camps lesson plans Etc a lot of people wondered when microsoft bought mojang if they would in fact continue the educational push And what the relationship with teacher gaming would be and scott i know this caught your eye And i know your son is big into minecraft here It looks like microsoft has taken a step down the road Yeah, i mean it it does make sense and when they bought the game and bought mojang and paid that incredible sum of money for it Um, one of the first thoughts i have was they've got a lot of Vertical and horizontal movement they can make with this it isn't just simply well Let's keep writing the success of a video game and bring in sequels or added content or whatever Um, it started to become clear that they could do much more with it and the the capacity for that game and for that environment to teach spatial skills and abstract thinking skills A great example of that was this recent Largest I think world record holding largest piece of art created in minecraft was a recreation of the queen of blades from starcraft Uh a semi sort of famous painting from an artist ab blizzard But recreated using nothing but minecraft blocks and created this gigantic beautiful Pull out a little bit and you wouldn't know the difference between that and the painting sort of mural It's just absolutely mind-blowing It's a very strange kind of abstract thing to do and minecraft's got this sort of capacity to be anything from just a simple block builder for young children To something complex and interesting people building entire computers within minecraft with functioning You know synapses and essentially making rudimentary brains Using the the the simple functions that the game provides and that range of possibility Kind of just as a game unless you have the the the I guess the money and the wherewithal to take it someplace else and who On this earth, but but microsoft and a few other companies Maybe have the wherewithal to do that and make it, you know Mass market to have the influence you need to get into schools I think this is a huge deal and the fact that they're spearheading this is nothing but good Uh, the state government in adelaide australia is funding the perfect national park competition Using minecraft. So if you're in grades four through seven They want you to create using something that that could actually be implemented. So parkful of cats would not be practical, but They they say the prize is a full day's excursion to belair national park and they're announcing the winner on july 13th So that that's another example of how you can use minecraft in ways that aren't even related necessarily to coding Like we've got tons of examples of teachers using it to teach coding and as scott said spatial relationships But you can use it for all kinds of things Yeah, really it feels like minecraft is kind of the the promise of what second life was supposed to be all those years ago Like uh, poor old second life was far too early and uh, um and kind of creepy in in many ways Um, whereas minecraft kind of came in the other direction. It was it was um, you know It was something for kids. It was an a learning tool I don't know. It just it it seemed to have grabbed that that's you know, that's second online space And yeah, I think scott you're absolutely right that Minecraft sorry microsoft seems to be the perfect perfect kind of patron for this technology I was really worried that when they purchased minecraft as well that they I thought it would be neglect That's what I was worried about when it came to to microsoft purchasing them But it clearly shows I think all of these announcements show that uh Microsoft saw the potential bought it for the bought minecraft for the right reasons And yeah, it's it looks amazing. Um, I'd really love to see if they you know, I'd love to see more of this I'd love to see say um as your You know ways to teach kids how to set up servers minecraft servers in azure One of the things you could do you could take real world actual You know educational examples and say we mimic this or model this in minecraft in some way and do it in way Kids just light up and tom mentioned my son who's way into it It's interesting how I've seen him go from young kid who's way into it to now an early teenager Who's taking What inspired and moving on to things like building stuff in the unreal engine and getting his head around unity 5 and and building models within those worlds and making them move and making rudimentary shooters and Like he wants to he wants to go further and I'm 100 sure that minecraft played a role in in in his sort of You know his little path of inspiration And you're right about the neglect thing that was a real fear. They've done it before You know, they've come in they swooped in they buy a big developer Especially in video games They buy somebody like rare software and then they let rare just languish and sit there One of the most important developers in the history of video games doing nothing They seem to be rectifying that soon, but but um, but they've got a history of doing that buying this stuff out letting it Sit selling it off whatever this is all good news the fact that they use it as a primary example of how hollow ends can function Onstage and otherwise is Is is is a sign that they're seeing minecraft as more than just a game and seeing it as something far bigger than that So so to me, this is all good news. It fits right in with sasha nadella's kind of new outlook for the company Uh, and it takes them in places that are Much less giant scary corporation and way more You know, let's help teach kids how to do stuff. Well, I'm gonna rain on the parade a little bit here And I apologize in advance, but I think that's my job a I bet we're gonna get some teachers writing in saying well scott and peter We already do that thing that you suggested we should do and here's an example And I hope they do because I want to see those examples Uh, I know when I started researching this story There's a lot more going on in the educational community with minecraft than I knew about and I knew a little bit Was going on, uh, but it is widespread. It's been there. It's been doing fine without microsoft And that's the fear is that microsoft was going to ignore it. Well today microsoft started this resource center That's great. Okay. They're not going to ignore it. But why aren't they mentioning teacher gaming? Why isn't teacher gaming putting this up on their website? Uh, why is teacher gaming having an announcement that goes on the same day as this without any crosstalk? Teacher gaming's website says they are the authorized mojang provider Which that's said before microsoft owned mojang says nothing about microsoft So i'm skeptical about why these two aren't talking more Is microsoft going to undercut them with their own product which is the old style of microsoft doing things And I don't want to see that happen when you have this fantastic resource here So hopefully this is just something that hasn't been worked out yet and they'll figure it out Yeah, that'd be cool if they approached it like education with hardware, you know these companies like apple and microsoft and others Uh, when when schools back in the 80s started to say well, look, let's get some of these machines in here We want these in for our curriculum No, nobody was spearheading an educational program at apple or ibm or anywhere else This came from that grassroots place and then they said, you know what what about mass pricing discounts? What about service contracts? Why don't we make it easier for them to get these in class? What about one iPad per kid? What about an android tablet for every kid in this class or whatever? So they they've jumped on it that way be really cool if microsoft did something similar and said We've got these initiatives. We're putting a bunch of money behind this But also We're going to make this real easy for teachers to get to use in the ways they want to use it So i'm with you 100 that is that's a fear But I think they could belay that fear pretty quick because minecraft edu is doing all those things you said And they've been doing it for years without microsoft's help because Mojang let minecraft be open And let people do it and then gave support only where it was needed And I hope microsoft will keep that tradition going Let's see our pick of the day from nick who said he was browsing new releases on the xbox one store and found out There's a new free tune in radio app while i'm sure the traditional radio content is great I downloaded the app for alpha geek radio Talking to me didn't talk a lot about apple radio get some tune in radio get some alpha geek radio He says with this tune in app I can get alpha geek radio and it's great geeky content on my xbox one including dtns What more could one want? I agree it's totally cool And I've used it and tried it and it's great and there's integration with uh echo with tune in So I can talk to my amazon echo in the kitchen and say play Most recent episode of dts and it will do it. Wow. Good job. Alexa play dts I think we just screwed up a bunch of people with to have this on their speaker Sorry about that Send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show dot com and you can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks Okay, all our emails are about apple music. Sorry folks. You guys wrote them Well, some of you did rich from lovely cleveland full disclosure. He is a dj on w r u w cleveland a college station and therefore Has he says, uh, I have not undue bitterness toward commercial radio However, he says I think the reason people are trying to make a big deal out of beats one Is because of the severely deprecated state of terrestrial radio at least in the us Aside from the usual morning zoo and drive time shock jock commercial radio has gone to great lengths to take the experience of curation Away and make it as mechanical as possible. There are several stations in cleveland that don't even have djs Just robot voices telling you the song name and artist between each track I think there's a really interested audience that wants a curated experience from someone that's enthusiastic Or at least good at pretending to be about sharing new and interesting music Interesting peter what's your take on this we talked about on tms with tom as well about You know, we're radios at today that it's kind of stable at least here in the states and Uh, there is a sense that it's very commercialized and also very automated, but it's kind of holding its own weird way Which what's your take on the whole state of things that way? um, I don't know. I mean, I've got a I've got a huge soft spot for triple j which is um a national radio station in Australia that is kind of like a college radio like it's got the same kind of vibe, but it's It's a national station in this It's it's you know supported by the government, but uh to promote You know younger austrian bands And it's uh, you know, it really has played a large role In shaping the kind of the musical taste of this country And you can really see that that you know when a band becomes popular on triple j they become Popular in austria much more than they are sometimes in their home markets Which is a really fascinating thing to watch so someone like faith no more for instance as a weed This is you know my age But you know faith no more was I would always say when they were out in austria that They were much bigger here than they were anywhere else in the world because of the support triple j would give them so, you know, it really is uh It's it's fascinating that um radio can have that power. Um, and and I kind of miss that Like it's been a long time since I've tuned into a radio station So I am kind of excited to see what beats one brings to Uh brings to the table. I think the first day was a little bit wonky as I'm sure some people did when they were Listening to some of those callbacks Sorry, I'm losing my voice here, but um, yeah, no, I really I'm kind of interested to see how it all plays out Do you guys have um a college radio station that is kind of of that scope? Is is there I mean, I know about not national. No, I don't think so. There's lots of local ones There's lots of local independent radio stations lots of local college radio stations that are similar But not one that's like across the entire country, you know, okay And and that's I mean, that's what I think they want beats one to do is provide That experience again or at least get a taste of that back in people's mouths of a curated driven thing Um, tom gave a great example this morning And I think you already talked about on dts But this this idea that you put a little story behind what you're doing with the music And then the music means a little something more and you're you're listening more and there's a real opportunity there And not having it interrupted by 15 lawyer commercials and other stupid things that you normally get in a local market Makes a big difference But it is still a little strange as fascinated as I am with it It's a little strange to see a world that's moving more and more toward On-demand content of all kinds in sub genres of a million types I mean my podcast examples of that for sure And yet here's this thing that's trying to make sure they get as many genres in as they can on a single live radio station That doesn't have anything you can go back to and listen again except songs You know you can go back and you can say oh, I like this song and save it and put it on a playlist But you can't like go back and hear a conversation the dj have with somebody It's a little weird in 2015 that that's a thing. So I think it's weird, but I think it's kind of um, you know, it's a natural cycle You know in the same way that when when everyone started listening to to music on their iPods and suddenly they were only listening to the music They had with them and kind of in a way locking themselves out of all other sounds In the city. I think that's why podcasting Kind of took off as it did in those early years because you know people suddenly after years of just listening to nothing But their iPod wanted to hear a voice again And I kind of feel that this is the same thing happening here again that after After years of allowing a computer to create the the perfect playlist for you Um, we kind of you know, we're almost desperate to to get a bit of uh, human interaction again and a little bit more of curation back into into the Into listening to music Now gemuel uh wrote in from sunny sometimes rainy trinidad And said more important to me than if spotify Artio google music xbox music or apple music is better than the other Is which one is available in trinidad? So as nice as the debate about which works the best or has the most users today or has the best features What really matters is availability apple music launched in a hundred countries on day one Before today if I wanted streaming music, I had no options I tried using a dns proxy to get spotify for a while, but it stopped working I don't see the rest of the other services going worldwide anytime soon So even if apple is not number one in the u.s They still might end up with the most users simply because it's available in more places And he says side note the price is cheaper here too 599 us. That's 39 dollars trinidad So maybe we should use proxies to subscribe to their trinidad uh one thing real quick in the chat room from uh that just sort of speaks of this as well as the fixer who says When it comes to apple music I absolutely hate that some of the djs feel the need to talk over the song And you get the basic beats one prom over the music all the time too if you want to talk about a song do it before or after Not during and I would just say a I agree but b It's also kind of an international style of doing that like I it's also if you want to hear the songs without talking over them Then listen to your own playlist, right? I guess what the fixer's saying is he wants to hear the talking just not over the songs That's a different style of of radio and that's the problem, right? Somebody else loves that style. They think it's more fun and waiting until the song is over to talk sounds boring to them See, you can't make one station that that fits everybody because especially when you're talking international Uh, not it's not going to be it's not going to work for everybody I was in a lot of house music on like british shout cast streams and they do this all the time And it's at first annoying but I kind of got used to it But it also just felt like a flavor of that type of thing and these are very internationally focused DJs so it doesn't surprise me But bringing it back to uh, gemmules point, uh, peter are there a lot of competing music services that you have in australia We do now have pretty much everyone. Um, that's all the all the majors are down here now Um, but but I do think it is actually a good point. I follow a bunch of Guys from india on my twitter stream and uh, and they were all saying that uh, the Beats subscription price in the india is about $2 us a month And and they were really really impressed by by apple kind of understanding what their market could afford So yeah, like I I think that that is one thing to definitely praise apple for in this rollout that you know sometimes You know, we started the show making fun of how international for apple sometimes means, you know The the bay area and a little bit more But in in this particular case it is You know, they've clearly understood every market that they're they're launching into You know, and that that's that's something that only a company as gigantic as apple could probably pull off Finally marlin the guy from trinidad wrote in and wanted to share a link that he said at least at the time It can he confirmed it worked Uh, it's a link to the direct HTTPS feed of beats one radio that you can use on anything Including an android phone now. I know uh, the apple music app is supposed to be coming to android later this year But a lot of people have been using this link Uh to be or this link to be able to listen to it and marlin said What concerns me what I really want to ask is this just a bug or should we be concerned about apple and security? Oh, no, you can do I could okay. So right now ladies and gentlemen, I could I could do this Hold on here. Let me just do this. No, I won't be able to play. Hold on. Here we go. I could do this Right now everybody who's smart knows that's acdc in the first part of hills bells Okay, that's back in black one of the best rock album's ever made now If I wanted to I have the wherewithal the bandwidth the hardware and the software Just to hit play on that have an internal playlist or to play beats one right now and pipe that through A million ways of getting it up on a url and boom everyone's got access to my to my beats radio um That's something that I don't think apple or anybody can control they can try to shut it down But isn't that all it's happening here? No, it's actually it's actually simpler than that. This is the actual stream url That people have figured out from looking looking at the code somewhere that they've extracted because What we forget is that apps Really are just kind of super cool web pages In a way and then and that's oversimplifying it obviously there's more to apps than just that But all this beats one radio stream is is a link to a stream somewhere And the way the internet was built was to link to stuff So all that happened I don't think this is a security issue at all all that happened is somebody figured out how to get to that link And all apple's going to have to do is Is realize oh wait a minute We we need to set some more conditions about when that link can actually be accessed and and have an identifier that makes Sure, it's the actual app if they want to shut it down, but this is actually not a security issue This is just the internet working the way it's supposed to that link lose eye rumble.com. That's what's confusing me Because I think this is just some guys Guys linked to his website or something. Sorry, Peter. I interrupt you go ahead. Well. Yeah, I'll be right about this link I've seen other ones out there too Yeah, and and we see this uh, you know whenever apple does a uh live stream They generally say that you can only watch it in safari or on an apple tv But um, yeah, the someone always pulls out the the mp4 stream Which is just a uh, yeah Like you're saying to i'm just a link that sits on apple cdn and you can just grab that and throw that in any browser And it works. So um, yeah, this this just sounds like A link that that is that is all of these it's just a link back even even if it's not scott's right I mean it also is just music which you can rebroadcast. It's not legal But it's gonna happen. Yeah, people are gonna do it people hijack streams and like periscope is being blamed for all kinds of Issues right now where they're you know capturing live con concert stuff or whatever and they're not authorized to or there's The final episode of game of thrones is being You know periscoped onto some guy's friends list or whatever and it doesn't look great But hey, they're still seeing the content and Sadly we are we are in that time man. You can find this stuff if you want it And t2 t2 just put the m3u link into the chat room. So yeah, it's not that hard to find and it's a it's at an apple.com address Uh, well, that is it for this episode of the daily tech news show. Thank you all for joining us. Thank you peter wells, uh, for getting up early and starting your day with us really appreciate it, man Always a pleasure, sir. Always a pleasure. Actually, um, normally I don't have anything to plug and finally I do Uh, uh, yeah, so I've been writing um some opinion Opinion pieces for the city morning herald. So uh, follow me on the twitters and I'll share them I have no idea what I'm doing at the moment. Um, because It's it's weird writing for like a proper newspaper, but uh, it's been fun It's been terrifying and fun. So yeah, follow me on the twitters Follow them on twitter and then look for what is it smh.com.au smh.com.au Yes, and look around for peter wells byline. That's fantastic Yes, it's been good fun. That's really exciting. Congrats, man. That's awesome Uh, scott johnson can be found at frogpants.com. You can follow him on twitter twitter.com slash scott johnson I still remember the sushi restaurant. I was sitting in the day scott announced He was changing his twitter name to scott johnson. 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I agree Do that it just you've always had the DJ the heart of a DJ man Yeah, and I actually like I don't I don't go into my radio voice thing because I feel like it's one of those things that I enjoy more than other people do So when I find an opportunity to to play with it, it is really fun Do do an on the alcohol back for us. Just one just one do are they what? Like an on the alcohol back, you know, so it's just an oh like it's it's the weather and the yeah 219 on the home of rock and roll WPG you look at the 70 degrees in Champaign, Illinois today That was acdc back in black, which we're going to have on lunch tomorrow with paul maloney Check that out as well. Let's kick it off with another 30 minutes commercial free with the vinyls on rock 107 WPG You good lord That's crazy Hey, that was a good show. What are we gonna call it? No, there were a lot of suggestions in there. Oh, yeah, we've got um The top vote getter right now from dr. Payne Is parks and education which I really like T2 t2 coming in second with physical denial of surface attacks Ha ha 40 thieves has more worldwide than apple Then we have mind craft from dark redeemer And fingerless snapping from beat master Oh, it's I did mine craft, uh What's his name gig on youtube chads chad johnson? Maybe it is. Oh, it's omg craft, but does he also do mine craft? A collective or something Yeah, I think so. I think that's part of the I may not remember that right, but Bring it about snapping without fingers. Yeah, I get it now Sorry, I missed. Oh snapchat. Right, right. Oh just another pretty facebook Daily vol news show I love a good vol metaphor you should not apologize that was awesome You've also you've also got 40 thieves with sacha mania A spin on the old sacha mania Mind crack t2 t2 says never so we're good. We're we're safe with mind craft. Although somebody must have done that Yeah, it's it's it's too good not to have been thought of I would think crafting the education of conditioning Um Yeah, I think we've got some getters I parks and education or physical denial of service attacks are My my two favorites out of there. I can go either way I like one. I think that's pretty good t2 t2 with the wind my opinion Do we have any objections Motion motion is carried. I'm gonna allow this Um, most importantly, have we all seen the trailer for creed? Yes, you know, why am I so excited about that? I really want to see it now I haven't super excited about it. It's cool. It's why have I not seen that what happened? Uh, it's out last night. Yeah, okay. You're kind of rocky sequel. I give a poop about I think that's cool. Oh, so it's not about the band No, no, but the band keeps beating it in seo on Really interesting Uh, looks cool. Yeah, it's super exciting. I'm super excited for it and not just because my friend's brother isn't it Uh, which is kind of glad uh, he's not directing it sly I just act in it and do his thing and that's good Oh spoiler the trailer is kind of a spoiler if I say that Yeah, he's in it. What it's about rocky. Oh Spoiler the kid it's the human torch and rocky Hey It's the kid from Friday night. Well, it's not the human torch. Come on. Actually the best part No, this guy is a flame Is that his trainer is avon barksdale. Oh, so we finally answered the question. Where's walrus? There's walrus. We found him. He's with avon. It's okay Peter for real. He's the new torch. He's the the one that's not out. Oh, I know, but yeah, but you know I don't know. I mean, I just love michael b. Jordan. Um, oh, yeah, I should give him more credit He's awesome. He's been friday night lights was oh dude. Scott johnson is a big friday night lights fan Uh, he's the whole reason that I started watching it because he sent me the dvds Yeah, it's still one of the sent me dvds. That's the lengths he went to get me to watch Everything you want tom to see just send him dvds. That's like It's like wow Best ever portrayal of a marriage on television Oh, yeah, yeah not disagree just the best thing ever So now if you watch nashville and deadline at the same time you kind of get I can't it's just too painful somewhere out there Coach and mrs. Coach are living on the east coach taylor Yeah, I've I love that it's coach and mrs. Coach. Yeah, that's that is the greatest thing ever I want to watch it again. I'm supposed to watch the west wing. Oh, no, let's oh I how about us? There's nothing on tv. Let's all have a summer watch a fest. Did you give up? Actually, I've I never actually watched the whole Couldn't do it couldn't do it I want to let it stand as I am I have failed the leftovers because I you know what it was I went to see the trailer for the new season. I was like if the trailer for the new season excites me I will watch the leftovers and then I saw it. I was like this is still boring And I You know what Eileen's been watching is grace and frankie on netflix. Oh my wife would Yeah, she just thinks it's hilarious and my wife loves we have We have an upcoming episode of tell it anyway featuring a writer from grace is grace and frankie. Very cool Tell it anyway.com go subscribe now It'll be all about only tomlin is a national treasure. Is that what it'll be about? No, but there are there will be a jane fonda anecdote. How about that? Okay? Well My my work here is done. Oh and a martin sheen anecdote. Oh, wow He was in yeah, you really are missing out if you don't subscribe I'm just saying and in a lane stretch story. That's possibly my favorite thing. I've ever heard. Wow Yeah, this is gonna be a good episode. I just gotta edit it. Peter. Are you subscribed to tell it anyway? I will do that right now You'll like it. It's good. It is really good Favorite it has its weeks I love it when there there there are things that I try out or I listen to because they're friends of mine And I don't necessarily think I'm not trying to say they're bad But I just like okay, that that's really good and and they don't hook me But the instance tell it anyway, uh ask veronica. They are all things I look forward to Every week like you guys could even stop being on them and I think well, they probably would fall apart But but it's not it's not because I know you it's because I really just like Yeah, that is the nice thing about having friends like this is we all actually really like things each other does We're not just in it for the I don't know I mean that current geek show you do I I can't stand listen It's like a rotting vole in the window. Well, it's good writing. I'll give it that I don't even know what a vole is. What the hell It's like a fat mouse. It's like a it's like a mouse Uh, mixed with like uh, like a mouse in a groundhog. It's a really English word for a rodent Like a possibly British suck because they they they make tunnels in your lawn and stuff like that Terrible creatures, but they're also kind of cute and this one that died. I feel bad. He's just laying there Fair enough. Well, um, see that big white light there in the background The sun and that means the sun's come up. So that means I should probably go get go to work. So Enjoy the Friday sun Yeah, thank you Peter as always man. Yeah Always great fun. Bye. Cheers. Oh, I have to do show notes. They're so coming out of another 30 minute rock block Because I was worried about show notes. I just I am so used to not doing them now that I forgot so hold on Yeah, it's funny how habits change I think I hear martin sheen's voice upstairs Another grace and frankie must be spinning Okay, um, what was I looking for? Oh the show notes The home of rock and roll Oh speaking of uh fsl. Are you requiring assistance in any way? 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We only move the youtube channel But the youtube channel did move And so yeah, I think I would confuse people when I said so if you want to get it faster You go to daily tech news show and so the podcast people are like, oh, I can get it faster Like well, no, you can only get it faster youtube style not podcast style Uh, I updated uh are about page a little bit. Um, oh, I updated it too. Yeah Um, I changed the youtube links. Yeah, you did that I saw I went in to do that and then I saw your already did that And so I did something else. Okay. Good. Um, I was hoping we didn't No, no, no right I did like a couple of updates on who our people are but I think that um That we could use a little fresher on that page like if our people want to go in there and do their bios properly I guess that's an option I think you just send it to me. I'm going to put that in slack um Yeah, that's a good idea Veronica belmont host of buzz out loud. Yeah, it's kind of dated. We need yeah, it's kind of dated. We need we need to update that Veronica belmont student at emerson college and intern at zd net What that's not right Um Let's see what else I don't know why soundcloud is taking forever, but it's taking forever Right now. It's a really good time for trailers, which is exciting Have you noticed just just like so many good trailers out because it's starting to become oscar movie trailer time Oh, is that right? Is that why? pretty exciting I Sorry, I was making noise. Uh, I've got some here. I'll plug that in You want to hear a little tease I'll do a little fsl tease. Yeah out of context I'll give you two things that will be on upcoming episodes of fsl This is time travel if you don't know fsl tonight. It's a weekly sports show Why is that not working? come on come on All right, hold on. Whoa. Oh, that was that actually worked more than I thought I have seven million versions of this now Well, that's interesting. Uh, it's a weekly sports show covering a fantasy and science fiction sports league The ponieville fillies are a team the uh shayan mountain gators are a team The new york avengers for instance are a team How would you describe it jenny? uh, I would describe it as a fsl tonight is a sports center like wrap up for teams in a league of their own fantasy team leagues Right not in them not in a league of their own madonna kind of way. Yeah, but no that would not be good although They might make it someday And so it's essentially a recap of a a very serious league of an unspecified game That has rules and they play sports. They play sports. They play a sport And uh tom and justin follow them and keep you updated on everything that they do And it's all quite smart All right, so here here's one thing This is the best shot I'll ever have Oh So exciting and here's another thing. I'm the one and only rabo dash and this is my That's awesome So there you go Just a couple of teases Uh, yes fantasy has soared not so much fantasy as in football although a little bit Uh, and that is it, uh, so I hear that patreon is having some issues processing some people's pledges They say they can't process a pledge even though the uh, The the information is up to date I will try to find out from them What's happening because I am as interested in you in that working Uh, and so just what I would say is I've had things where patreon's had a bug and tyler and shawn and all those guys have been great At just getting on it and fixing it and making it right as soon as possible. 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