 at least have some start on the direction there that, you know, we'll be able to take a look at that now. Okay. Also, the community needs to improve its global and regional outreach and provide more resources to those global and regional areas. You know, a lot of what we do is focused in North America and Europe, and we really need to focus a lot more on reaching out to other areas. There was also feedback that the DA should set higher standards for Drupal events, specifically non-Drupal con events. People feel that some of the smaller events don't really live up to the standard that the Drupal name should have. Community matters should escalate to groups, not individuals. I think there are some incidents that have happened recently that were resolved by, you know, what people seem, what seemed like individuals, and people thought that those should have been escalated more to a group and should not have culminated in being decided by an individual. We need better community onboarding and documentation. I think this also goes to the, you know, documenting governance. Like, people come into the Drupal community and there isn't really one place to go to find out, you know, sort of how does the mechanism of, you know, the people of Drupal, like, how does this work? Who are the people? What is, you know, here's the CWG, here's the DA, here's how everything works and how it all works together and who's who and what's what? And, oh. Technical and community, right? And we should engage with other communities to discover their governance best policies. You know, there's a lot of other communities that are not so dissimilar to us out there and they're surely working on the same thing. So it would be of us to go and talk to them and see what they're doing and what works and what doesn't. So what has happened so far? So Drees has stepped down as the Drupal Association Board Chair and we've hired Adam Goodman. Drupal Association has hired a community liaison, Rachel Lawson. The Drupal Association has created a new code of conduct for DrupalCon that is enforced by staff. Representatives of different groups in existing governance met at the DA Board Retreat. Before DrupalCon to discuss the challenges and to discuss challenges and opportunities, I believe that was on Sunday. Drees has developed and published and alpha released the principles and values for Drupal on Drupal.org and he talked about that on Tuesday morning. And he published a blog post. Oh, and he published a blog post. I haven't seen that yet. Drees will be holding a governance round table on Thursday. I know several of us will be attending that. Next steps. Does anyone else wanna take this? So we are really, the key messaging here is we are actually trying to figure out what the next steps are. I think we hopefully would like feedback to hear if we were successful in soliciting feedback from the community. I'd love to hear that as part of the discussion, part of this, but the community at large really needs to review these values and principles that Drees did to help steer some of these next steps. We want to know about that or iterate on those, provide feedback directly on those. One of the key next steps that we've identified is we have to find a more streamlined and continuous routine way to get feedback from the community. This needs to keep going. And someone needs to listen and process that and make sure the community is heard. This is really, I think the key part of what the next steps in the governance process is moving forward. And one example of a possible next step could be creating a dedicated community governance group to provide that, which still needs to be defined if that happens. I want to stress though that this is led by us collectively. Major work in progress. And I hope everyone in this room finds an opportunity to participate and help us all work through this. I think that's how these things become successful. Now's the fun part. We wanted to use the rest of the time to actually hold a retrospective, a true retrospective, where all of you get the chance to share thoughts and feedback that we are going to capture. And it could be on anything. If you would like, I would especially love to know if you felt that the Slack meetings that were held were good, any other feedback about other things that have occurred, governance related, anything that you would like to see happen, or anything at all. So the floor is yours. Here's a microphone. Please, please come up. Don't be shy. Hey, Mark. Hey, Adam. So in terms of retrospective, like feedback on how this process has gone, I feel like a lot of the feedback that has been given during the governance process has been extraordinarily watered down. For example, we had 13 discussions in Slack. I would say a third to a half of the participants in there were people who were regularly involved in the diversity inclusion work group. We had lots and lots and lots of discussions about how any governance and values should be centered around the importance of creating an inclusive space that is there for centering around, making sure that Drupal has a strong diversity of people from marginalized groups. That was like at the heart of the discussion. When the report was written up, the words diversity and inclusion were literally not even used in a pretty long report of like what the points were in the discussion. It wasn't even mentioned. And that was extraordinarily frustrating to see that happen. And it's just been frustrating that, I mean, that's not, you said it's a recent thing, but it's like not six to nine, it was last summer that we had these discussions. And so it's felt like that happened. And then it got really quiet after that. And then there was another, you know, more governance things, like we gave a bunch of feedback and it's just frustrating that there hasn't been more progress on those things that we've discussed. Finally, there's a value statement from Drees. But again, like it has very little mention of diversity and inclusion given the prominence of that in the discussion about things. And so, I don't know. I guess I just, I'd like to see, I mean, there's certain things that are only gonna happen at a certain pace. This comes from the top down. And I guess I hope that Drees puts attention on this going forward because it's hard for things to happen when there isn't another power base outside of that. So anyways, that's my thought so far. So I wanna completely agree with you, even as someone who is on this volunteer team, I was kind of brought in to look at the principal's document about two weeks before it was released. And I did notice that we do have a principal in there that says we treat everyone with dignity and respect. And within the description of that, there was something that was alluding to diversity and inclusion. And I was really frustrated and I was like, this should be a little bit more explicit. And I tried to push for it and I don't think that it quite happened. And I'm constantly told like, this document has to address a lot of needs. And some people want diversity and some people are worried they're gonna lose their job and some people are worried that their businesses are doing Drupal. And so I feel like so many things are being attempted to do all at once in this one document. And maybe this wasn't one of the priorities, which is really, really sad and unfortunate. And I and you and other people in this room that agree with us should definitely push this alpha and say, this needs to be more explicit. And coming for me, like just one specific thing, like it says we do not support intolerance of any kind. I would love for it to say, we do not support Islamophobia of any kind in any format. Because that for me is like a word that then I can point to and say, someone did something to me specifically Islamophobic. It's in the government, you can't do this here. And for me, that's one thing that makes me feel safe here. And if that's not there and it's so lukewarm and watered down, like how do I feel safe then? And that's something I'm gonna push the alpha on. Unfortunately we couldn't get it in the first draft of it, but I'm glad that we're able to have this conversation and sort of point it out. And I'm glad that it's now collaborative and it's not someone working in a vacuum on this document anymore. So totally agree with you and feel like everyone in this room who agrees with us collectively has to push for that, for that to happen because these volunteers can't make that happen on their own. And if each one of us says, hey, that says nothing about diversity and inclusion, I support that, I need that there. That'll be sort of like a bunch of voices getting pushed together. And then someone at the top will be like, oh, that is a priority for the community. Maybe it was on the last on our list or something, which it probably isn't, but it's possible it wasn't at the top. And I just wanted to speak to what you said about, this took so long. We were frustrated to you. We've been constantly asking for updates and really not hearing anything back. And we didn't even know that Teresa was just working on this alone in a vacuum. I think we had thought it was going to be a much more collaborative process since we'd brought all of this to him and we didn't know that he had just drafted it. Like Fatima said, a few people got invited to work on it and we just found out like, oh, there's going to be a values and principles statement. And we went back and looked at all of the suggestions we had and a lot of them really didn't make it in there. And that was pretty frustrating to us in addition to the very long wait with no, we were just like, where did all this work go that we did? And it was kind of frustrating. So we're hoping that, going forward that we can, like we said, we're hoping to have like a person who is dedicated to like being the information, the person who gets information back and forth as well as making this much more collaborative. I wanted to say one small thing too. I did read your comment on the blog post from our findings when we aggregated the takeaways, they were recorded at the end of each meeting procedurally and we literally copied and pasted most of what content was there. I think that we did ask for feedback on Slack at the end if the takeaways were not representative of what the feedback we were hearing. We probably needed to be more explicit about that because it is something that I think a lot of us are, we care about. So I think we made a mistake with that. But I hope we move forward with that as a priority. Yeah, so a couple points. I mean, I think to that one about, about D&I not being explicitly represented in the takeaways, I think it's almost kind of a situation where D&I was sort of this theme that was woven throughout most of the conversation but it rarely came up at its own distinct point. And yeah, I mean just by the way, we captured the feedback that wasn't reflected. That's not an excuse. No, not at all. That's a, it's a, it's a. If we could improve that, I would love to hear that. This is a, this is something to better next time. Yeah. Let's just say it was a mistake. You know, so, you know, as far as the values go, I agree that, you know, that there's a lot of improvement that can be made. I think, you know, Dries did spend, I know that he did spend a lot of time working on these. And I, you know, he followed his own process, which, you know, is not necessarily the process that maybe was the, was the one that was best for getting community feedback in this situation. But regardless, we are at the point now where, yes, we all need to be weighing in and providing feedback. There are open issues specifically regarding the, the language around diversity and inclusion, which I was looking at last night and, and I agree is, is, is messy and unclear right now. I know personally, just speaking as a person, that Dries cares deeply about diversity and inclusion, that he, it is a priority for him. And I think where he struggled was with how to best articulate it. And, but we can all help him with that, and we all need to. So the issues are open and, you know, let's go in and provide him with as much help as we can. Hi, Sally. I don't feel like he's very accessible to most of us to do that. And I know he's very busy, but like how, I mean, like we can tell George stuff and George released it to Dries, but it was only like in that document he released with the principles where it was like something we could have, I don't know, a day and a half where we actually got to interact with him directly. Right, so this is a significant problem because he's not accessible to us and we were the ones doing this. Right. Right. This is the number one thing that. I mean, he's not even here, so I like, I don't even know what we're gonna achieve like with this. So when I found out about the principles document, I sent an email and I was like see seeing everyone who had done work on this and I was like, we're about to go and have a community conversation about what we did and we have no idea what you're working on. No idea what's happened. Can we get an update? And then all of a sudden we get an update with like, oh, there's like this invite only thing on Sunday with the DA board and then there's a thing on Thursday, it's a round table. We're also releasing the principles document and it was so late in the game that for me it was very frustrating because it was like, hey, I did work. I asked community members to give me feedback. I took valuable contributions and time from community members and then I didn't follow up and that makes me look like a terrible person but it's not really my fault either because the person who's supposed to follow up with me didn't follow up. So there was like a total lack of communication across the board. I don't think that we've solved that yet and I think it would be a good idea to get that, to get a solution for that in place so that this doesn't keep happening because as Adam said, like this should be a continuous process and how do we keep it continuous and how do we keep our leadership talking to us when they assign us to do this kind of work. That is incredibly good feedback and is precisely where we are right now. Thank you. Do you have more? Well, I mean, how should I show the camera? Please. Yeah, I don't know. This is a six-pix camera. This is being recorded. Yeah, this is being recorded. I can, do you want me to? Will that make people more? Yeah, it should be done, I think. I unplugged. Okay. I was told that the wire needed to be plugged into the machine for it to be recording. Okay. Recording, do you know what I'm saying? I just come down and figure out why it's not recording. We'll talk to the master. Let's go. Do it, do it. Do not talk to the master. Do you know what I'm saying? The security camera, okay. You're taking the fall for this one. You can just stop. I didn't make a comment on the answer. So I do take issue with just one thing that the bottom of the set, but the idea of we're.