 In this episode of Mind Pump, we answer fitness questions and we also have a lot of fun in the introductory portion of this episode. We talk about current events, news articles, scientific studies, and we mention our sponsors. Here's what we did in this episode. We start out by talking about supplements and pro hormones. We go down memory lane, talk about all the times we took crazy supplements. We messed up for you. That promised great results and probably shortened our life spans. Then we talked about Assembly Bill 5 in California. California doing a great job destroying good businesses. Can we regulate everything? Please. Then we talked about the fight between Donald Seroni and Conor McGregor. Conor McGregor, thank you very much. That was a great fight. He got his face busted by a shoulder, which is kind of cool. Then I talked about the myth that war boosts the economy, not true. We talk about TikTok and how military personnel told not to use it because maybe China is spying on you guys. China spying. That reminded me that to talk about an article that talked about the first city in China that's quarantined to try to prevent the spread of the coronavirus. Adam talked about police facial recognition technology, which is getting kind of crazy. We talked about food quality and why food quality is worth paying the price, which reminded us to talk about Magic Spoon. This is a company we just started working with. They make cereals that taste like your favorite kid's cereals when you were a kid. But here's the difference. The macronutrients are phenomenal. These are no sugar, high protein cereals. Excellent macronutrients and again they taste amazing. Somehow they taste amazing. I don't know how they did it. So far our favorites are blueberry and what's the other one you guys like a lot? The fruit one, right? Oh, so good. By the way, we have a discount for you. 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We explain it in that part of the episode. The next question, this person wants to know if there's any benefits to carb cycling. So explain what carb cycling in and how it is, excuse me, and how that can help you or not help you. And the final question, this person wants to know what we think about foam rolling. Does it work and what's the science behind it? Also, everybody, three days left. You have 72 hours left for the biggest promotion of the year, MAPS HIT. So HIT is High Intensity Interval Training. This is a fat burning short intense workout. It's a style of training that has been shown to burn as many calories as longer workouts. Of course, this one was written by Justin Adam and myself. So it's all very, very good done properly. There's three levels, beginner, intermediate, and advanced. It's utilizing weights as you get the strength training component in there. And of course, it's half off. Here's how you get the discount. Go to mapshit.com. That's M-A-P-S-H-I-I-T.com. 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Let's get gorilla strong. No, I'm comfortable with my chimp strength. Insane. I don't need the gorilla strength. That's red Pan-X ginseng. You need to take it in a fucking ampoule like that? It's ampoule. It's an old school. So, this company's been around forever. There's no spawn. There's no affiliation, by the way, so. There's no discount code. Anyway, this company. Because I really eroid vial of ginseng. No, man. No, they make like these little liquid vials of ginseng extract. And red Pan-X ginseng is the real. That's like the legit ginseng because there's Siberian ginseng, but it's not from the ginseng family. Still has value. Siberian ginseng still has value, but it's different. Red Pan-X ginseng is the one that's been studied forever. It's more of a Chinese medicine would say a yang or yang energy, you know, so it's more male energy. Yeah. A little bit stimulating. A little bit of sperm motility. Testosterone. You can raise testosterone. What's that? Man with low testosterone. Yeah, it makes them move better. Your sperms are more mobile. It's like tails flip a little bit faster. Like they did Maps Prime Pro. You know what I mean? They just get around the cracks and stuff better. But anyway, it comes in like this little glass bottle that I remember my dad used to have. He's back in the day when I was first started working out. So he had like a box of them. And when I was 14, I thought supplements were the secret. I thought for sure, if you take supplements. Oh yeah. That's how they were marketed. You're going to get jacked. Oh yeah. I've never told this story before. So my dad had an old protein powder. He never took it. He just bought it once, never took it. And it had a picture. It had a picture of Weeder on it. Remember the one with Weeder where he's crossed his arms? Big-ass forearms. And he's all jacked. And he's got the beard, right? I remember that. And it was called... It was like a handle bar mustache? Yeah. It was called Weeder's Muscle Builder. That was the day with the protein powder. And then next to it was a box of these ampules. And I remember when I was 14, I'm like, he's not using this anymore. And I snuck over there, cracked open a couple ampules, drank them, took a little protein powder, worked out. Yeah. I was like, for sure, I'm going to be jacked. Yeah. For sure. Like how many days did it take to realize it's not doing shit? Yeah. So it was the beginning of the addiction that I've struggled with. Now, when would you say you were peeking out? I was about 20... Peeking like how? Like the amount of stuff you were trying to take. Oh, my God, bro. Yeah. You don't even want to know. I peeked out like early 24 for this day. It's probably 21 to 23-ish. I peeked out. Dude. It was when we had that memory when we... How long did the peak last? Because that's where I think I'm at. A couple years. That's it? Two years? Because I had a peak that lasted. Well, maybe a few, right? Like, I mean somewhere between two and four years, probably when it was like, you know... I had everything under the sun. Oh, yeah. Like 12 bottles of things that I was taking. I tried to summer that when I was playing football. I was like, this is the summer that I'm just getting as big and jacked as I possibly ever could. So I had to try every single supplement that was legal at the time and put all that together and didn't even focus more on my workouts. Just thought that was going to do it. And it did nothing. It got me fatter. So annoying. I bought this stack from... Well, first I bought Cybergenics. I did that once. Do you guys remember that? It was like a box and it had... The ads were a picture of a fat dude that got really ridiculously shredded. So I was like, of course this is going to work. Look at this fat guy. He got jacked in 30 days. And it cost $170. That was the other thing I thought. Of course it's going to work. It costs a shit ton of money. They would charge this much otherwise. I'm 15 years old. I am working washing dishes at a pizza place. So I'm getting paid. I'm getting paid cash back then. So the guy used to give me cash or whatever. So in order to buy it, I had to get a money order to send in the mail over to them. So I went out through all this. I saved my money and got this box of supplements. And it was five bottles of garbage. Did nothing for me. So then later on I'm like, okay, that didn't work. But this other one's going to work. And it was EAS... I think it was EAS, early EAS. And they had a stack where it was glutamine. Vanityl sulfate and something else. Basically nothing. Didn't do shit for me. And then later on I found creatine. And then that sparked more like, oh, creatine works. Everything else must work too. You know, if you're a listener, you have to be wondering too, like, wait a second. I thought these guys were pretty smart guys. They were... How were they taking these supplements and they not working? We learned through experience. We weren't always smart. Mistakes. Not only that, but there is a false truth of taking them that happens also, right? I don't know if that's the term. We're going to use that term for now because I can't think of a better one. All right, false truth. Yeah. It's been determined. Yeah. But what happens is... It's an oxymoron. You don't put this together until... At least I didn't put this together until way later is probably... Because you do see some change. You do see some results. But what you start to piece together is that when you're spending as a kid, when you spend all of your money that you made for the month or whatever on these pills, you bet your ass I didn't miss a workout. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I was consistent. I was doing it. I was doing everything I could because I was spending that money and I wanted to work and so I don't want to waste my money. So you see some changing gains. Yeah. But it's probably more so because I was consistent with my lifting and my diet and doing those things more than anything else and not the actual supplements. And so I think you fall into this false truth or whatever for years of trying different things and going like, oh, that worked more than this and really it was what it was. Because it does affect your behavior some level for the positive. Well, I even remember when I finally did put that together I still was taking supplements and I would justify it by that. I'd say, well, at the end of the day I know that when I spend money on this I'm going to be more consistent. I don't want to waste my money so it's working in a sense. You're like more focused. I remember when they had designer steroids over the counter. They were called pro hormones but they were not pro hormones. They were active. They were banned steroids. They were banned. They were active steroids. But they just continued. It was like a gray market. Like they slipped through regulation because the way that the steroids were regulated back then you could alter the chemical by a little bit and then it wasn't like one molecule. It wasn't explicitly banned. It may grow a tail but you know, you'll get jacked. And you know how they found these drugs? They would go through old discarded pharmaceutical company drugs that didn't pass FDA regulation. They'd say, oh let's make this one. But anyway, I remember buying the first one. It was a super drawl. It was the name of it. And I remember taking that and then that worked. I remember taking that and I was like whoa, what is going on here. Going off was not fun. I took a trend one. I forgot what it was called though. It was definitely like taking trend and it was an over the counter supplement. You know as a kid, I don't know if you remember this or not but we were savvy to this hustle. That was the supplement game was get something. You sell it. Kids go use it. They definitely feel it because it's a fucking hormone that they're taking. They end up seeing results. People come back like this. Then it catches wind. They ban it. But then you go buy it under the counter. Right? Because now you're getting rid of your stock. Yeah. Exactly. All the stores still carried it but it was like a hush-hush thing and then they normally raised the price on it. You didn't care because you knew it worked. That's why I keep it there until all the kids come back with it. And because it got banned and you're a kid, you definitely want it. Oh, you're buying 10 bottles. Yeah, because you know it's real. I'm going to use this forever. Yeah. I mean, they did that forever. They did. I got terrible side effects from a couple of them and as I got older and researched the actual chemicals that were in there, I realized these are worse than the actual and these are worse than the black market steroids. Some of these chemicals are not great. I wonder if they lost like an insane amount of profits because of that because that was the hustle, right? Was to get all those like, because they were the most expensive thing you could buy in the store was when they kept kind of under the counter. Oh yeah, a lot of those shops. It was a quick, they were making a quick million. Oh, I mean, you're, you know, neutral shops and max muscles. Those are all going under, man. Yeah. It's tough to, especially with Amazon today, not to mention that the big hustle and those the other hustle is you carry products that are most popular right now, right? So you look at like, what are the top 20 supplements that are sold? You carry those products in your store, but you make crap margins because it's somebody else's stuff. Then what you do is you, as a store, you make your own line because it's relatively cheap to make all those products. Make it look the same or whatever. Right. And you make the macros pretty similar to the back or whatever the other, the expensive supplements are. And then you employ people and you teach them that, hey, when people come in and they look, they want the Myoplex, whatever, or they want the great cell tech or this that, you push the, the, the neutral shop brand or you push the max muscle brand because one, we're going to sell it for cheaper too. We're going to make way more money off of it. And that's how they get, that's how they do that. Dude, I went so far as to, I actually would, would learn about the chemistry of certain compounds and start to try to figure out how to combine them, which we're, you know, I am, I am not a scientist or a chemist. So the results were, But you always wanted to be. Yeah, no, I just wanted to just figure. So I thought I would, I thought it was going to be like an alchemist in the back. You're like hacking the system. Yeah. Like, like, like, what's that scientist in Spider-Man that becomes a lizard, you know, like I'm in the back, like, oh fuck, I'm a monster. And, disastrous results often. I remember combining different stimulants because this one's a beta, you know, two antagonists and this one, you know, helps. Combine all these stimulants together. And I remember, dude, one day I had a four-hour workout and I was sweating out of my eyeballs and I remember coming home and laying on my bed. I was like 17, maybe. Yeah. And I was laying on my bed and my heart was to to to to to to and I remember thinking like, this is how I'm going to go. Like that is, that sucks, you know what I'm saying? So you actually would, would buy all these individually and then concoct them together. Like what was the craziest combination you put together? Well, I combined, don't do this. This is a terrible combination. Fedra, Aspirin. Yeah. I bought, so I did it at Fedra, Aspirin and Caffeine before they were selling it together because I figured out that they, how they could work together. Then I'd throw some, some Yo-Him-Bi in there. Jesus. And then I'd throw in some Sennifrin and that was just, it was just a terrible, yeah. We did, for the audience though, we did all of this for you guys. Yes. We knew one day. Yeah. I survived so I could teach you. It just barely made it through. That's why God didn't take me. I'll let you live, so you need to, you need to pass this on. Help the other kids. You need to share this story. A terrible transition, but I wanted to ask you the other day, especially you, because you always have an opinion with this stuff. Oh, great. Did you see the law that California passed, the assembly five? Did you see what that was? No. No, what is it? So, let me guess, it's a stupid law. Of course it is. Right? Yeah. Well, I mean, is it though? I mean, is it a law to be mean? It passed. We solved it. Obviously, there's a good portion of California that thinks it's a good idea. Man, that doesn't always... Sometimes it just means all the fools are on the same side, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, it's basically, it's going to make, it's really coming after Uber and DoorDash and all these companies. And it's going to force them to recognize all the people that are doing Uber or doing DoorDash as employees. Oh, not contract? Yep. Stupid. Right. The benefits of Uber and DoorDash... That's really a good thing. Yeah, the reason why they're such successful companies and have created so many opportunities for people is because they don't have to go through all that red tape. Rigmarole. Right, because what's going to happen now is the services are going to become far more expensive. It's going to be harder to just employ yourself. A lot of people who do Uber like that, the people that I talk to who do Uber love the fact that they can just turn it on whenever they want. Yeah. Do their job whenever they want. That it's very easy. They can go, you know, come in and out. That gig economy added so many jobs for so many people. And this is a great example of a law with a good intention but is not based on any... It's going to stifle momentum. Is it really a good intention? I don't think it's a good intention. They want their cut. I think they present it to the population as good intentions that we're, oh, we're looking out for you guys to get benefits and protect you and blah, blah, blah, blah or the safety of the people that are taking Uber. I think they present it like that but it's really to stifle their growth. Right. And I wouldn't be surprised if there were lobbies on the other side that were, you know, companies like taxi companies or hotel companies or whatever. Yeah. Trying to, you know, use government, which is the favorite business, favorite tactic of big business. Did you guys see the... You guys have to go buy this. Who... Did either one of you guys ever go buy the prune yard? Yeah. The Shell Station. Oh, wow. Okay. The Shell Station, I just went by there because I gave my haircut over there so I just went by there two days ago. Never seen this before. I pull up to the Shell Station real quick. I was actually going in there to look for like a rock star or something. I pull up and next on the property of the gas station is this like trailer and it's a completely, it has a little ramp that goes up it and it's, it's all glass sliding windows and it's like a giant vending machine that you walk into but you can only walk in if you swipe your card and you pay for the stuff that's in it and it's a little store. Oh, what? Never seen this before. What the hell? So you don't need anybody operating it? Nobody's operating it. Oh, that's brilliant. Right? Oh, that's very smart. Yes. Oh, very interesting. I didn't use it. I should have because so I could have talked about it a little bit better but I mean, I kind of looked at it trying to figure out how... I'm sure California will pass a law that you're required to have two employees. I have somebody manning it. Yeah, working inside. But have you guys seen anything like this before? No, I haven't. No, it's literally like a giant and it has all the like most popular things that you probably drive through at midnight to want to get it from a gas station that might be closed. So you just swipe your card, walk in, get what you want. Yes. Get out. Oh, that's very smart. Yeah. And it's all got, you could tell it's got cameras everywhere. So it's being... Right. It's being monitored so somebody tries to smash, you know, through and break. Right. Or probably if you try and take what you didn't but then it has this big digital keypad and you... Does it just maybe release the thing you paid for? It didn't. If I remember... Did you go inside? No, I did. But it's all glass. So I was looking all inside. Oh, wow. And I don't, and that's the part that I couldn't figure out because it isn't, it didn't have it like locked up. And once you're in there, it looks like you could grab whatever you wanted. That's great. But it's also, again, it's monitored. So maybe it's, they're testing it to see, well, you know, will people only grab what they pay for? The trailers like that. I'm sure there's safeguards to prevent theft or whatever. I'm sure. Well, I mean, the safeguards I would assume is the cameras that are all on it. And I think like, okay, are you really going to... All the items in there can't be over $3. You know what I'm saying? So they're probably not risking a lot for somebody who's going to go in there and like, what are you going to do? Still $30? You put a lot of electronics in there. $30 worth, yeah. $30 worth of chips to get to go to jail. You know what I'm saying? Like you got to be a pretty... I need those Doritos! I don't know, man. 13-year-old me would have been like, scoop these chips up! You lied. When we did the thing the other day, you didn't steal anything ever. Yeah, you're right. I thought you had stolen something. No, I think I stole beads once. Beads? Beads for my jacket. Yeah. Remember when we used to wear parkas back in the day and you put beads on the... Oh my God. You put beads on the... Bro, I forgot. I forgot. My buddy... Do you remember that? I forgot about that. Yeah, like the parkas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's what I stole once. When we were up in Tahoe last week. Sorry for the company I stole from. I went up and saw his dad. And, you know, I wish my parents still had all this stuff. His dad still has, like, his parka from when he was in, like, seventh grade or whatever. It's a 49... And so he's rocking the old starter 49-year parka. Yeah, dude. I was like, the ones that you're literally talking about, that used to put the beads on stuff. Yeah. I think that'd be in fashion right now. No, it is. It's so cool. I told him, I was like, man, if I had mine, I'd still rock it right now. I had the one with the big 49-year thing on the back. My beads were, they were red, red, golden, white, I think, or red and white. I don't remember, red, golden, white, or something like that. And it was all the way down the strings. And I stole them, like an asshole. Thanks for reminding me. You were a little bit fashionable back then. A little bit. Yeah. But maybe you were off by a decade or so. He's like, this was like a few years ago. Yeah. That was last week. I stole the beads last week. Like, yeah, that was cool in sixth grade. Let's see here. Where are you at? Oh, dude. Can I just tell you, okay, that fight was what, 30 or 45 seconds? I did not get, I would, I never would have guessed it would have gone. You looked like he went through five rounds of an ass speedy. His face was jacked up. Well, so I read about his injuries. You ready for this? Oh, shit. So he's been, he got, his face got jacked up so bad that they told him he can't fight for six months. Whoa. He got a broken nose and a fractured, fractured orbital bone. Oh, wow. From those shoulders, like, I mean, that had to contribute to it. Then he ate a kick though, remember? A kick, yeah. A knee and then a kick. Oh, yeah, look at that. Man. He looks like. Dang. I can't see anything. Yes. Dude, from a 30 second fight, you got your ass beat. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, McGregor came in hot. McGregor's, he proves to be a, like a master, what's the word, strategist. Yes. He spends a lot, I think people don't give him enough credit for how much he really studies. Remember when he, I think it's hilarious to people that talk shit and say he's terrible. There's a lot. So stupid. There's a big group of people that think he's, he's just, he's only taking the fights that he can win and he's this, he gets lucky and he's, bro. Dude, he's winning in three different weight classes. You name me another fighter that's been able to do that. No, he's a good fighter. Remember when he fought Hose Aldo and he hit him with that shot that it's all strategy. He comes with something different that you just, I mean, who saw those shoulders coming? Yeah. I've never even seen that someone brought something new. I've never seen somebody break a nose with their shoulder like that. You know, it's funny. It was a damn impressive performance. A lot of the moves that you see in MMA that don't seem that serious are actually very serious. You ever watch them foot stomp? Yes. Oh, I know, you know that hurts. I mean, have you ever stomped on someone's foot or had your foot stomp? Bro, that sucks. So we were barefoot and if someone stepped on the top of your foot, just on accident, not even stomping on it. Yeah. That shit hurt. You hit someone with the heel on the top of the foot. Then you can't put as much pressure. That's the other thing, too. You get those like leg kicks, those inside leg kicks for your front foot. Like now it's like, all of a sudden, you got to kind of like readjust your balance and then you're fucked. I don't know how those guys, have you guys ever gotten kicked by a tie fighter? Yeah. Yeah, I got kicked and that dude, and then it's sore for days, dude. Oh, that hurts. I don't understand how they don't go down the first time. Dude, if they go full force, like man, your legs will buckle. So I held pads for a pro-female tie fighter. So it wasn't even a guy. It was a girl. Yeah. She was like 150-pound female and I held the pad and I was like, wow, if that hit me, I would be dead. Yeah. That's a lot of force you can generate if they get really good at it. Tremendous. I just can't believe he looks like he went through five rounds of war. Yeah. He had a shoulder shot, which was obviously, he studied and implemented specifically. Yep. Because that's not like a move that he does. No, every one of his shots were landing. It was very pinpoint accuracy. That's the thing. It's like, you gotta give credit where credit's due. Yeah. Like he put on a great performer. He's a brilliant promoter and obviously amazing strategist and fighting. What a crazy combination to make him one of the highest paid fighters of all time. Yeah. Just because he's so, he's good, but he makes you want to watch his fight, which, that's the thing too, if you're an athlete, especially if you're a fighter, a big, winning, yes, winning's important, but so is promoting yourself and making people want to come watch your fight. Did any of you guys read up on, because I imagine Dana, probably, I mean, Well, how happy was he? Well, I'm sure he begged him to come back. I mean, there was the possibility that he may not ever come back after that payout. He didn't have to. With the Mayweather fight, he could fight MMA for the next five years and he won't make the amount of money that he made in that one fight with Mayweather. So, the thought that this guy may never come back to the UFC was very, very possible. You got to think that Dana begged the shit out of him and you got to know that Connor knows this and was smart and I bet he negotiated, I mean, obviously he negotiated his proper 12 in the ring. Yeah, he saw that. He got into what? Cowboys, what? Fight, right? A few hundred thousand or something like that? Yeah, yeah. I know he got under a million for sure. I think it was 800,000 or like 500 or 200. Something like that. Yeah, maybe look at that uptown. I don't remember what it actually was but I know it was a huge discrepancy. How's his whiskey company doing? Yeah, it's a good question. I'm sure. It's still like doing well. Is it really? I mean, I know he punches people that don't drink it. That's terrible. Like some bullshit that. I was actually surprised that it didn't come up on the fight. Oh, that he did that? Cowboy would have thrown that at his face. No, I mean, yeah, I just, I felt like that. I mean, that's, that was a big deal and it happened relatively recent and you would think that that would, people would have been kind of bashing them about that. I felt like there was, there wasn't really much publicity on that. Shit, I didn't, I had heard about it and didn't see anything until just, until I, when I was up in Tahoe and my buddies and that happened and I was like, and they showed me the video. I just watched the video for the first time and yeah, I didn't realize how about it. I just, I just looked up how much Connors proper 12 made. Oh my God, 200,000 is all he. Well, he sold, he sold 200,000 cases in six months in the initial six months and says it's about to double. Yeah, that's, well that was like right before the Mayweather fight, right? That's the, yeah, that's he's got himself a very big company on his hands. What is it, what is it valued at? Does it say? No, I don't look, I don't look that far. See what estimated value is on proper 12? There's got to be an article on that for sure. Wow. Wow, that's crazy. What's the markup on, on whiskey? It's got to be really good, right? Yeah. Is it? On hard alcohol, yeah, for sure. Well, and I'm sure he's, I'm sure he's selling it at a higher price point too just because of his name attached to it, right? Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, that's crazy. That's a nice little argument that today on the, on the social medias. On the social medias? Yeah. On the socials? I haven't done that in a long time, you know. It's not like by a fucking dad or mom talking about social media. That's why I say it that way. On the, on the, on the, on the World Wide Web. What was it that you used to say? What did you use to say to the YouTube? When you, when you used to, yeah. Hey, YouTubers. Yeah, yeah, YouTubers. That's what you used to say on the YouTube channel saying how, cause you know, they're talking about how this, this whole thing with Iran was happening or whatever. And they're like, at least, you know, at least it'll be good for the economy. You know, if we, if we go to war, what a terrible, that's the worst myth. That's a myth. You haven't heard people say that? You never heard people say that before? No. That, that war is good for the economy. Like in general, yeah. Yeah, like it's great boost for the economy. Yeah, I haven't heard that about Iran. What, what do we do when we make, for war? We make things that we blow up. I mean, we're making, we're making things that, We, we cement tanks in airplanes. Yes. That we explode and then we kill people or become killed. It's the worst thing for the economy. Terrible, terrible myth, not true at all. Don't believe that bullshit. It looks like it cause we can just print money. That's why you know what I'm saying? Cause you get, you create jobs, you create work, you create things that people have to go create and sell for millions of employees. You know, it's like we really need more money going there. No, it's like, it's like it would be like saying, hey, we just start, we just created a hundred thousand jobs. What you gotta do is get this shovel, dig up this hole, fill it back up, show up tomorrow, do the same thing. It was like, hey, we got jobs. That's not how it works. You, you need, you need to produce things and you need to increase efficiency. Otherwise there is no net gain and war is at loss. It's always a loss. There's a lot of money now to like staying some like quote unquote arms race with like hypersonic technology. Oh, have you heard about that? Like, I guess there's like hypersonic type missiles that like Russia is developing and all this and trying to put out there. And so, you know, of course we want to make sure that we're in the game too. And so I'm sure lots of money is going to be asked to kind of catch up on that front. Yeah, that's what we know. Who knows what we don't know. I don't know. There's always something like that. I mean, I think one of the guys by Peter Schiff is like a must read. Oh, right. I think I mean, I was sharing with you guys probably one of the better books that I've read in the last couple of years, especially about economics and if you're not into economics, it's such a good read for you because they they tell he tells it in almost like a children's story. And so it's a really easy fun read, but it just makes so much sense. And they use characters in the story that represent real people and real politicians and stuff. It's really cool. All it is. All economics is is how people are working together to create more efficient systems to become more efficient to be more productive. That's all it is. So how do we create wealth? Money has no value unless it's it means something and what it means that the value of it goes up if things become more efficient. So if it took before 10 people to do one thing, not only takes five people with increased efficiency and that's a boost but economics is boring. It's actually one of the most important things you should probably love about. Dude, you brought up TikTok the other day about being the next sort of biggest app out of all of them. It was the second most downloaded in 2000. Only WhatsApp was the only one that was more downloaded in 2019. So I heard some interesting news behind that in terms of its origin. So actually it's a Chinese company. And so I guess it's a person from using it because there's espionage stuff like tied into that just like Huawei, the phone. So I wouldn't put a lot of my like eggs in that basket. Interesting. What a brilliant strategy. Make a free market product that people adopt but you actually own you know you got ways of using user data to spy. Exactly. So there's a big concern you imagine like 20 years ago CIA is like how do we get people to give us all their information about them without spying on them? Yeah. How do we do this and invent Facebook or whatever? They've done it. Dude, speaking of China they they have quarantined their first city. Do you hear about this virus that's going crazy over there? What was that virus called again? Coronavirus. Coronavirus. What does that look like when they do that? They just block off no one comes in no one goes out would you imagine being a scary place to be? I know it involves in that. So my instinct now I know what they're doing and it's probably who knows if it's necessary I mean because China's such a populated place and some places are so densely populated that you might have to take those measures especially stop a pandemic but what would your instinct be if all of a sudden you're like can't leave San Jose? Leave? Yeah. I'd be like fuck you stop me. Drive through the streets so they quarantined the city of Wuhan to stop the spread of this pneumonia like virus and then the UK has its first cases Scotland got its first cases of people with coronavirus and there's been people in California who've gotten it as well. Is it a type of a flu? What is it? It causes pneumonia. Oh wow. Yeah so causes pneumonia and it's pretty nasty it can be deadly but it's not like a instantly deadly type thing but fucking China man they a lot of shit comes out of there because they're so densely populated and they eat fucking all kinds of shit like they think coronavirus came from snake. What? Yeah like people eating snake and stuff and it was like an animal virus that became you know that mutated and now can spread through humans. You know along the lines of all this don't be eating snake man crazy tech and the future and stuff like that did you see what the police face recognition recognition recognition thank you I like recognition it's been a while since I've been in the library. You better recognition me addition. Yeah. Did you see that? No. Oh pull that up though that's wild so they and I guess it's been really helping I mean obviously think about that if you have we have the tech to be able to figure that out if you're searching you're looking for somebody and you have the ability to scan their face through cameras or whatever and then be told oh that's South of Stefano that's the rapist we're looking for how dare you put that out there that's the fucking I'm so glad you used him as a reference not me for once I appreciate that well he posted me as like the butthole tickler as a story once I'm like that wasn't me man that's me that is like I am not a raper there is only that is the only post that I repurpose every year every year it's like cause it's so good oh shit it is so good I forget who originally that was like four years ago when someone first shared that with me like the actual post and I'm like yeah I was like this is a real new story yeah it would look like a real shot from so tell me about this facial recognition so it's just really really effective yeah oh yeah it's extremely effective but then now they're freaking out that we shouldn't be able to turn it into a demolition man I mean so it's one of these things that okay that's great that we have this ability but what's the negatives here we go it gives me it's raising alarms yeah so that's not what scares me is the next thing so that's okay that could be definitely well here's so if you read the article it has like little minor flaws to it and so that's what they're worried about is that you know it's not 100% accurate it's really accurate and it's helping them like crazy but even if it's 1% wrong like how fucked up is that right you get your face pops up where in my fake nose well so so here's what really frightens me did you know that and this for sure is going to be used 100% it's too powerful not to scientists can map out images based off of brain scans so they've done this with monkeys map out what so they've done this with monkeys and humans you think of a picture and a computer picking up your brain scans will draw the picture that you're thinking dude what yeah bro no I've seen this they can see what you're thinking that's fucked up don't think about how crazy this is going to be like in a counseling session if they allow them that's why cause why would that be to happen it's isn't a demolition man that has this isn't a demolition man that has that because if you think about this if you're looking for all these people that are wanted like how many people are probably wanted there's got to be a ton of there's going to be millions right I don't know last time I counted if there was a 3,070 stupid there's got to be a lot though right there's got to be a lot of people some people aren't even wanted though that's the sad part sorry continue wow that really hits me we've got we've got cameras everywhere now I mean you won't be able to go to an ATM you won't be able to eat out at a fast food restaurant it goes even further than that every phone has a camera right what if you just connected to every phone they already did that they already did that in a movie I'm sure Batman I mean like explained all this already minority report did it too right is it minority report yeah they had pre-cogs which that was like unnecessary like we're going to need like these you know people like ESP ESP to like figure out no we need we have computers super computers that are doing on site 100,000 people are on the America's most wanted list is that is that what it says and one million of these warrants are felonies wow that's a lot do you see yeah now how do you guys feel about this about what to be able to use technology like this now if I mean if you could depends who's using it well the police I know they started doing this just to see like like tendencies and patterns in areas and they would just focus in on like some of these areas where they would like bring more police to make sure that like they would catch it in the act and they were like really successful with that so I'm all for that I have I you know here's the deal I don't have too much of an issue with this so long as there's lots of you know as long as we have due process I don't mind if due process gets thrown out the window then this stuff is all fucked yeah so what I mean by that is if they if the police if the governments have the ability to take you snatch you throw your ass in jail and they get to make that decision without a trial without a jury without a judge yeah not being involved that's when I have a problem I'm thinking of just purely for these people you got a you got a million people with warrants out on them just trying to catch them right and I could see that not like are you pro them using technology to be able to pinpoint exactly where they're all at yeah of course I mean man catch them yeah catch those fuckers I mean that's kind of crazy right I'm down with it but again you're right about the court yeah you want to you want to make sure like all that going through the legal system it happens that's why I got so this is why I'm so after September 11th we started passing these crazy federal laws where yeah the government's like well if you're a terrorist you don't need a due process like okay who determines if I'm a terrorist yeah they determine I don't know if I like that you know what I mean because depending on who's in charge they could start to be that's a lot of power in one direction it is but the reading of the mind stuff scares the shit of me yeah because you guys know what's in my mind yeah I know I don't even have to read it I know I don't want to draw your picture right now reading my brain yeah anyway I feel like you could hack that though you know what I'm saying like just real quick to get something different no you can't bro look at this way look at this way it's as easy as a fuck with you right now alright right now don't think of a zebra okay impossible elephant elephant yeah but if you try not to think of a fucking zebra you're going to so let's say you go into a police station and they're like look into your brain because someone's been wanted for murder and you're like alright don't think of fucking next thing you know you're going to be thinking of crazy fucking shit in your head yeah you don't think you could hack that like you said zebra and right away I knew what you're going to do so I was thinking elephant yeah but you're also thinking of a zebra right now you're probably thinking of a zebra and an elephant so maybe you would draw like an elephant that looks like a zebra yeah how would they do it yeah I don't know really really confused so you guys you guys I see you guys the blueberry for like a second dude I forgot to tell you that I don't think I brought this up on the show that I finally got I got another order and I think they were sold out the first time that I ordered mine and the second time they had the blueberry and I know you talked about it before yeah holy crap it's the best one dude I taste so you guys know I can't have dairy so I can have a little bit but not much because it'll bother me but I did taste the blueberry and it's really good I don't know what magic we eat it knowing you can't have me what magic they're doing over there to make it have a you know you could make a 30 grams protein serving of cereal you know what I think it's funny I saw on our our form our form I love you guys you guys are always so quick to like tear something apart put their paintings out there this is so expensive and I'm like it's so funny when I hear that because they're comparing it to the price of Cheerios or some shit yeah and what you're what you're paying for when you pay for a product like this you are paying for the protein it's the reason why the Snickers bar is a tenth of the price of a protein bar there's a reason why you pay three dollars for a protein bar and you pay 50 cents for a Snickers bar it's because the Snickers bar is just a bunch of sugar and stuff like that and not that the protein bar doesn't have that too but it's also got 20 to 30 something grams of protein you eat one bowl of this cereal you're getting like 30 to 40 grams of protein that's without milk one and a half one and a half cups of this that's a nice little serving it's not even a huge serving one and a half cups you're gonna have 12 grams of fat 13 grams of carbs of which there's fiber in there no sugar so sugar free and 24 grams of protein not including the milk that's a small one and a half you tell me any other cereal that does it oh and by the way it tastes like kid's cereal well forget a cereal find a meal that has those macros that doesn't cost you more than a couple dollars it's expensive protein's expensive no matter how or you draw it up the protein quality is good it's milk but the whey protein and the ingredient it's sweetened with things like monk fruit and stevia it's all natural like you can't beat that well that's the double edged sword we always lean on the quality end of things that's just how we roll dude we look for things that actually like are promoting something that is filled with what they're trying to promote half of the actual amount of protein yeah here's a cereal hack get regular fruit loops sprinkle some whey protein on it blend it in the yeah of course go for that well get do the math on that what is your protein bottle cost you actually you're right yes do the math on it forget all the other stuff I'm just talking about the money buck that people always do like yeah it's more expensive so is anything that has 20 to 30 grams of protein find me a sandwich a meal out anything that has 20, 30 grams of protein in a serving of something and tell me what the price is protein's expensive carbs are cheap yes it's true so it's just how it works something that my kids will actually eat dude I'm like whatever I'm going for it like this is this is perfect for me yeah you know it's funny it's like if you if people when it comes to food spending money on quality food eating right is it more expensive sometimes but in the long run in the medium and long run it's not more expensive it's less expensive it's just the way of how you think about it it's more expensive to be unhealthy it's more expensive to eat crappy food it's more expensive to not feel good you know what I'm saying that's what that false comparison it's really not more expensive I need 200 grams of protein a day if I divide up how much my meals cost to get to that number all day long it's not going to be more than a you know $1.75 bowl of cereal it just is not going to be so figure it that way you know people look at it like you said compare it to Cheerios or compare it to a generic brand of cereal like yeah you know that well that's fucking cardboard with fake sugar thrown on it not hard to it's going to be tough to out price that speaking of food quality did you guys hear about that that organic farmer that got busted what no so there's this farmer I got to find the article dammit this farmer who he his crops or his farm or whatever is responsible for about 10% of the organic crops in the US that's a lot for corn and soybeans right so this guy produces a shit ton well apparently they weren't organic he was he was bullshitting and this whole time he's been making food labeling organic and 10% of the organic market wasn't even organic bro that's a what he got busted that is a big amount now how does that get this is now here's the thing for the people he got big friends like Lane you know we're you know I I can't help but side with him on this is that you know half of that stuff is such a scam and hustle too it's what's unfortunate I mean yeah but something we started with tainted something that we started with good intent this is the reason too why I like I like brands like butcher box where you where you know where it's being sourced from and it's like okay that versus some some random massive company that you're hoping is you know not pulling all the strings just to go past just to pass under the radar as organic because you know I can't remember where I read this but they talk about you know what you need to do to classify something as organic and you still can get away with a lot of shit if you want to but your ass gets busted he's getting 10 years oh my he is yeah he's getting 10 years wow that's a good deterrent yes so you got some deterrent you're right though there's going to be the people do we know the brands so I mean there's a lot of brands associated with it oh so he's a wholesaler too that's why 10% mainly corn and soy it was corn and soy which I don't eat much of I know I was going to say that's not really something I'm looking for but corn oftentimes gets fed to animals so if you get like organic beef if it's not grass fed it's getting fed corn dude 10% is a lot of the U.S. market is a lot I know massive 10 years in jail though so whatever wow he'll be getting some organic in jail enjoy that organic material yeah you know what I'm saying anyway did you guys hear about that YouTube kid that top earner what's his name no one that opens gifts I think that's is it that one or the one that does makeup no no no okay Ryan Kaji 8 year old who has Ryan's world it is right he opens gifts right you know what you made last year Ryan's world it was like it was 9 million or something you made 29 million 26 million dollars wow the year before was like 9 million wow 26 million dollars he made and the year before he made 22 million now Doug made a comment that he heard that they were going to start reducing that like with kids like the way they monetize it I heard something similar too okay so he just get like really excited when he opens like what the it's just kids love watching so here's I don't think the 29 26 million is from YouTube ads I think some of it's from YouTube ads ads I think he's getting paid by these toy companies oh yeah to open them up and to display them that's probably where he's making most of his money yeah definitely because YouTube ads don't people think they pay tons of money he's barely anything that's not where they're making their money that's one of the things I always talk about when I get interviewed it's like people don't realize that YouTube is a loss for us it's hilarious and what we get paid in no you ain't gonna make shit outside that's with 300 what 350,000 subscribers we have people have no idea how terrible that now that being said you can use it as a platform well part of the algorithm too is like watch time and everything and so you do get more money for somebody who's like creates like vlogs like Casey Neistat or someone who you're watching 12, 15, 20 minutes of them versus like an instructional video like ours are which are typically shorter because even my kids watch this guy that just plays video games and then makes it entertaining like he's a little bubble of him talking with his stupid purple hair oh yeah my son used to watch him that's a what platform is that Andrew do you know the name of that what is that where the kids play video games and they get paid Twitch yes they make a lot of money I have a nephew I told my son who just started making money doing it for Christmas they would rather watch that than anything on TV he asked for all the headphones the camera and everything on him and he was kind of explaining it to me and I don't want to get into it too much because I know I'll mess it up but it's he after a certain amount of people are watching him he automatically starts to get paid and so and it's very similar to the YouTube model where you've got enough views and watching you for long enough time I had this talk with my son I'm like listen you like video games let's start making money I'm serious you need a promoter you don't want to go out there now the you've got to be entertaining those two on the mic that's it or just badass it's one of the other one of the other both is what makes you like famous right if you are an entertaining kid and you're also badass at whatever game you're playing that's where you because I can't take away from this kid he does do a great job of like narrating everything he's doing the whole time like what a pain in the ass job that's got like it seems awesome like oh I'm in my house I'm sitting and playing video games all day what about doing that every day like he doesn't stop bro these the top players that talk to my son about this he says the top video game players of the world practice on average about 12 hours a day every day so it's not like it's easy or whatever that's hard no I remember when we had what was his name when we had him on the show that was friends of Mark Mastroth I can't remember his name right now but I mean it's obviously we keep talking about it we haven't done anything about it but no doubt that that will be a growing market will be the people that are taking care of their health yeah because they're sitting and staring at a screen all day long they'll have the advantage yeah absolutely so if you're in the fitness space and you want a niche market that I think is going to explode that would be catering to these people catering to the exercises they should be doing the taking care of them none of them are wearing blue blockers none of that no I think I really if you're staring at a screen for 12 hours a day I foresee kind of crazy I foresee the pre-workout market start to dominate because you feel it it's stimulating makes you wired or whatever so I foresee like a pre-game drink of some sort blowing up they do have some of them but they're crap I looked at them I thought about this myself so if you're a supplement company you're listening might be a good market for you to take your pre-workout and rebrand it gamers fuel they don't they don't have I would think that's already they do but they're not major brands they do and they drink like rock stars and stuff like that but like if you made one with like Colleen in it all these new tropics really strong amount of caffeine you know maybe some beta-alanine so they feel a little tingle or whatever you're probably you probably do well first question is from Jeremy Longpre do you guys recommend deload weeks in between phases of your programs if so how often and what would you recommend they look like okay so specifically in regards to our programs this a lot yeah no not unless you think you need one but the way we designed our programs was you just we thought ahead of this yeah you follow it through in fact if you follow our if you follow multiple programs because here's the ideal way right so let's say you're you've been listening to Mind Pump for a while and you're very very serious about your fitness trust we know we're doing yeah you're like okay I think these guys know what they're talking about I'm very serious about you know whatever my goal is is that I want to I want to do like a six month run or nine months or a year whatever following their programs you follow the programs back to back and they're essentially designed to be able to be run that way now the way you would do a deload week would be based off of feel well first of all you should since you just said that and I get this question on time you should explain to people what that order looks like it's a great way to go through the programs it would be maps anabolic then you would go maps performance then you would go maps aesthetic then if you want to go more of the bodybuilding route you could do maps split if you want to go more functional strength type of stuff you can go maps strong if you want to do more powerlifting then you can go maps power lift from this and if you really want to you know maintain mobility and stuff throughout the whole process using something your goal is the core 3 is kind of like the idea maps anabolic maps performance maps aesthetic from there you can kind of take more specific paths am I more like you said bodybuilder ish more strongman ish more powerlifting ish and kind of going that direction and you won't need if you're healthy your nutrition is good you're doing everything right you're following the programs as they're laid out you're not going to need to do deload weeks if you're feeling run down then the deload week can actually be quite quite advantageous it could actually benefit you quite a bit I think people now if you're a heart if you're like a really high level athlete then the deload week can get very technical but for most people a deload week can be literally just you know this week I'm going to go in the gym I'm going to go 50% intensity just go super easy that's it it could be that simple or this week I'm not going to go to the gym mobility and correctional exercise like that would be a great way to do it because I think some you know and this probably is from the I would say the power lifting world they tend to be really technical with their deloads but they're dealing with like high level well they're also the most likely to need a deload week too I mean of all the most intense of all the lifting that I've done when I train most like a power lifter is when I flirt with needing the deload week more than anything else you're just you're lifting a heavy heavy load just a lot of you're feeling the joints yeah stress on the joints and that's kind of if you're not following any maps programs and you're wanting to know this answer it's a it's a definitely it depends it really depends on the programming or how intense you've been training and normally you know like if you and signs of that fatigue you'll see strength decrease you know you'll be like oh my god you're achy joints major stiffness and achy joints those three are like the major indicators that there's a good chance you could benefit from you know deloading for a week and that deload week could be as basic as sowsing where you just back off 50% of the load 50% of the what you would be doing will reduce the intensity probably let you recover or if it's really bad you wouldn't hurt from doing all mobility and I remember the first time learning of the value of a week you know I was in my late teens and my family had planned a big family vacation and up at this point I'd been working out consistently for at least a few years and I was very obsessed with working out never missed a workout definitely overdoing it more often than not and we went on this vacation and I did not have access to a gym and so it was a week and so what I did during that week is I you know it's tried doing some pushups and I remember going back to the gym on the week when we came back to be stronger and I walked in worked out and I was lifting more and I remember thinking like this is crazy for sure I thought I'd get weaker because I didn't work out for a whole week and that's when I started to really realize like okay if I'm not allowing my body the right amount of time to rest and recover then it's not going to build it just won't and that's when I started to figure out doesn't need to be a deload week either sometimes it's just a few days yeah sometimes like and this is probably something that I more commonly happens with me is you know I do back to back workouts where I kind of overreached and I knew I shouldn't have I still did it anyways and then yeah then my body goes yep you did and then that to me is like okay I'm just going to pull back for the next two or three days and instead of staying on this this track of you know training this intense for a few days or again focus on mobility for a few days so doesn't always have to be an entire week either it's just it's a great thing for you to learn to do is to read and listen to the signals your body's trying to give you when you are over training and overreaching and nobody knows better than you if you're this type of person like we openly admit that even as trainers and knowing better it's very common when I do this I know that I got to back off and deload a little bit if you're that person then you got to pay attention to those signs you could also be the other side which you know that I'm careful all you need is an excuse to not yes and so that I'm very that's why this is definitely a depends question because I also used to have clients that was looking for any excuse to not train I think it's a lot less common that you need a deload week if you love if you love working out and you've been training consistently for a long time or you're in the fitness space you more likely are the people that are probably overreaching and could get a lot of benefit from deload but I would say for most people listening if you follow our programs and you follow them one after another you shouldn't you'll be alright we design them to be able to be run concurrently in that way and in fact we design them to get progressively more effective in terms of your body's progress you'll find as you're following the programs as you move to the next one and then move to the next one your body's going to continue to make faster that's a great point this is and that's why we recommend an order because if let's say you are a brand new beginner and you've never lifted before and you decide to buy MAPS PED there's a good chance you might need a deload after that you're way overreaching for somebody who is just getting started and you shouldn't go into a program that's that intense that much volume and that's the reason why we tell everybody they should go red green and then black and that order is because it progressively starts to build the volume up then from there all the ones that have a much higher volume you should have adapted to the more more volume through the course of those three programs that you can handle taking on one of the other we actually put those three programs in a bundle where we discounted them significantly it's called the RGB bundle red green black that refers to the color of the programs mass performance is green and then maps aesthetic is black next question is from Moe Daywood what are your thoughts on mini-bolks and mini-cuts? I think we were the first people to talk about it I did I love it I feel like we came up with that thought I love that we're getting questions on things that we I feel like introduced to the space or at least talked about them in this way so mini-bolk and I'm sure careful yeah exactly careful I'm not going to claim anything because there's fucking somebody did this before us sure it's not that at all sure but there wasn't a lot of people talking about this the traditional way in this in our space to bulk and to cut is you have wintertime and you bulk you put on whatever weight and you add calories like crazy and you focus on bulking for months at a time and then the cut is you know months also getting ready for that and it's just the most effective way to do things this is not the most effective way to do it although we've been doing it for years well when you're lifting weights and you're doing it properly and you're eating in a excessive calories so that you can build initially in that process a lot of those calories goes to muscle but the longer you stay in a calorie surplus especially if it's a big surplus the less of those calories go to muscle and the more of it go to body fat okay in a way to burn body fat initially a lot of the weight loss that you start to see besides water starts to become is body fat but if you stick to that for a long time your body starts to try to adapt by sometimes reducing muscle mass and so this is why you'll find people on long diets who lose 10 pounds or 15 pounds and find that half or more of the weight that they lost went to muscle so one of the ways that you can kind of maximize the benefits and the effects of bulking and cutting the potential negatives of bulking and cutting is to do it for a shorter period of time so a mini bulk is like three weeks long three, four weeks so for three, four weeks I'm eating in a surplus and I'm lifting weights to build muscle a mini cut same thing three to four weeks I'm eating in a deficit and I'm training in a way to to burn body fat or to preserve muscle now what if you just want to cut what if you're like I want to cut a lot like what do I do after the short cut here's what you do let's say you did your mini cut and it was four weeks long three weeks period do a week or two of maybe maintenance calories or maybe a slight a very, very small surplus for a week a week or two max then go back on the cut so it would look like a four four week on one week off four week on two week off type of a schedule and what you'll find when you do this is you minimize those negative effects you minimize the metabolic adaptation the muscle loss you maximize the fat burning or in the case of bulking it's more lean mass and not just more to the training volume philosophy that we have you're doing as little as possible to elicit the most amount of change you're applying that nutritionally here right I mean does that mean you can't cut for six weeks or eight weeks of course not you could absolutely do that but to maximize it we want to do as little as we possibly can to elicit the most amount of change and you got to understand that your body just like it adapts to exercise it gets adapted to whatever you're consuming and eating and then changing it up is one of the best things that you can do and what we're trying to do is and this is where the individual variance is is the peak time for that person two weeks or four weeks or is it five weeks or three weeks I don't know that depends on each person individually it's kind of fall somewhere though between like the two and six week range I mean that's going to be ideal once after that the results are and if you're a competitor or if you've ever competed you know this this is one of the number one mistakes that we're treating is they would go on these like 12 week cuts and boy they were miserable for like the last four to five weeks and the reason why they were miserable is because their body had adapted to that low calorie intake and that excessive amount of our cardio so well that they were starting to see very minimal change and they had to cut real low at that point yes and so it just gets so extreme where again you want to and in psychologically speaking I think it's better too staying on a bulk constantly or a cut constantly it starts to get tiresome it starts to get really really difficult you know breaking it up with a week of you know going in maybe slightly the opposite direction besides being probably good for you physiologically it's good for you psychologically so you don't end up you know 12 weeks in a cut and then you come out of it and you're like I'm free and then you binge in the opposite direction next question is from T Evans to carb cycling or can it cause a bad relationship with food it okay it can cause a bad relationship with food if it turns into restrict binge so if carb cycling for you looks like no carbs and then all the carbs then that's a problem other than that here's the benefits of carb cycling that I have found personally I don't think it's going to accelerate or maximize fat loss than to just have lower carb or just go higher carb I think the benefits are psychological I really do I think for a lot of people reducing carbs is a great way to eat a lower calorie diet proteins and fats tend to be more satiating but if you've ever gone a low carb diet for a long time you know how your workout start to suffer you don't get good pump is basing carbohydrates like adding that to when you're most active is that part is a type of carb cycling okay yeah where it's like targeted carbohydrate intake exactly for athletic purposes like that's kind of where I would see you know some benefit in terms of how utilize like accessible fuel like have carbs obviously being superior there well first of all any diet can cause a bad relationship with food I don't care what diet is right so that's a tough one to answer right like yeah absolutely it could it could for anyway quite often I'd love to teach it to people and I probably agree with you Sal like it's probably because of the psychological benefits I just I think it kind of mirrors our natural our natural tendencies of eating and we don't even realize it like if you were to take a snapshot of how somebody eats for three weeks consistently that wasn't tracking but you could track for them and see you would see they kind of have this natural ebb and flow probably of carbohydrate you're just managing it controlling it and sticking to boundaries around that where I think what a lot of people naturally do is they stay in this kind of low to moderate and they do a bunch of activity or they go a long period without eating and everything gets depleted and they get really hungry they get the cravings and then they overdo it like crazy and then they come back down moderately and so I think we kind of naturally do this anyways but doing carb cycling correctly you're obviously figuring out your way would look like you and then you cycle and we should explain that there's probably a lot of people listening going like what the fuck this carb cycling means it basically means that you're going through periods of lower carbohydrate intake and moderate to higher carbohydrate intake for a specified period of time and I want people to know too because I get this question a lot like how you do that as far as how many days high low and what's the cycle look like I've actually played around with this and done it multiple ways with devices whatever you'll stick to right like I personally used to like to have two really really low days a moderate day and then a really high day and then repeat yeah and then repeat I've done it all kinds of ways though where I do a low a medium high and it's a three day cycle and you repeat it's really and what I would do is just what felt best with me how my workouts were going when I was running that low of carbohydrates versus allowing a moderate and a high day like you know play with these things there's there are no rules you just got to figure out how many total calories first your body needs then how many total grams of protein it needs so that's where you start and then you look at your your fats and carbohydrates for the rest of the make up of where your calories need to be and divide that and we talk all the time about you know what exactly should that percentage I like to split my carbs in my fat I like to be a very even balance where I mean calorie wise not gram per gram yeah I don't know not gram per gram but if you look at I've got after I look at my protein intake let's say for argument's sake I've got 2,000 calories left to spend I like to get about 1,000 that from fat 1,000 that from carbohydrates figure out how many grams that equals and then divide that over three days and cycle them that way and if you're trying to lean out so that's about a hundred grams of I'd be like 90 grams of fat 150 grams of carbs or something like that and that was just a random number just so people have an idea yeah yeah and then from there you run one day where that would be what your body needs right so a surplus would be a little bit over that I would consider a moderate day kind of hitting your maintenance and then a low day being maybe 50% less of carbohydrates and the way I would like to do it in the past was kind of what Justin was talking about where it's more targeted so I would have some carbs around my workouts and then on my higher carb days I would throw in an additional carbohydrate meal later in the night I've done something I love to do this which is similar to that Justin's thinking performance wise I used to think like what I was focusing on when I was competing so I would always keep my either moderate or high days around the muscle groups that I really want to grow and build so you have the energy to pump yeah the energy to pump and I have the refeed of all those nutrients and it just I have my moderate to high days around the muscle groups that I'm trying to develop and really push and stretch myself and then muscle groups that are like my arms the strength of mine that I could skip and be okay with and because we know when you're on really low carb sometimes you just don't have the oomph to train and so I would pick the days that I would be training muscle groups that are not a weakness of mine and then I wouldn't care if I didn't have the intensity or the ability to push next question is from delicious and nutritious does foam rolling actually work what's the science behind it is it better to have a hard or a soft foam roller I like this question because go hard as trainers for many years I think I know I explained this incorrectly we explained it incorrectly when we started the pump mine pump yeah early on remember we talked about foam rolling was explained you know wrong to us to begin with foam rolling is not releasing the fascia as a lot of us thought it wasn't it's not breaking down knots and tissue and adhesions like a lot of us thought it's probably not what's happening but it does have some value it really does it's not going to fix a problem but foam rolling allows you to move in ways that allow you to fix the problem you have issues getting into a good proper squat because your knees hurt and your hips feel sore so you foam roll for 15 minutes beforehand now you can get into a proper squat so does that mean the foam roller fixed you no it allowed you to get into that proper squat to train in a way now right gives you a temporary relief yes it's very temporary and if you don't fix the root cause of your pain you'll start to get worse if you don't correct those problems now correct me if this is kind of how I explain it in layman's what happens to us when we get these quote unquote knots or tightness feeling is this is your CNS overactive it's a protective mechanism and if you think that every time you move a muscle or you activate a muscle all these neurons from your brain are fired there and let's just say for argument's it's getting over overworked and it gets tense and tight because of that and it's more CNS related than it is something going on with our fascia or our muscle it's just overly stressed and then when we roll like that you get just like when you get a nice good deep tissue massage it relaxes that and releases it sort of dampens the signal I think that I mean the pain that's something to pay attention to and you know for you to like now foam roll and apply pressure in that area to be able to kind of you know maybe damper down that signal so now it can allow for you to keep on like thinking that you know you're supported in that area and everything can you know function properly and that helps to kind of then promote these better patterns to occur as a result of that it's a lot of the immediate tension in the the alarm system if you will of like hey something's wrong here and we need to like really like tighten up and protect I still there's still a ton of value to it I still use foam rollers here and there I like them exactly for what we're how we're explaining them I mean what we know is when you apply pressure to a part of your body there are localized you know natural anesthesia anesthetics that you know chemicals that are released in that area that kind of start to alleviate pain so that's number one but number two here's the big thing that's happening so if you've ever had a muscle cramp you ever woke up in the middle night where your calf is real tight you instinctually push on it you instinctually try to smash on it with your hand or stretch it out and the reason why you're doing that instinctually is because when you're pressing on a muscle your brain receives a signal and so that's what ends up happening it helps calm it down when you have tight muscles those muscles are tight because they're probably tight because they feel like they need to protect you because of poor movement patterns well and using that example let's say someone you cramped up all the time because you have some sort of nutritional deficiency sure you putting that pressure on for release you're not fixing it because you're not addressing the root cause so you'd have to dive in so the same thing goes with mobility if you are goes with this let's say you have IT real common either knee pain or hip pain normally for people they roll it they feel relief from it the foam roll is not fixing it it's giving you temporary relief so then you can go into doing the either strength training exercises that are necessary or the mobility work that is necessary to help work towards it if you don't do that and you just foam roll to relieve it and then you go about your movements kind of the same way you always have you're just going to keep having to do that all the time it wasn't until we got into mobility training did I was I able to eliminate using the foam roll like I went from the guy who used to foam roll for 15 sometimes 20 minutes before a good strength training session because I felt it was necessary to get me relieved enough just so I could go after get after a good lift to someone who doesn't have to do it at all anymore but that's also because I've implemented mobility into mobility work days into my training now and now I don't have to do any form well yeah it tripped me out even just going through FRC and things where we're just focused more on the isometric part of that like not even necessarily movement but more just like the squeeze and the tension that actually has that same effect of like localized pressure but now you know me just squeezing and connecting more to the muscle actually alleviated a lot of the pain almost instantaneously right yeah it's no it's not that different from getting deep tissue massage although a good massage therapist obviously is going to be you know targeted and individualized and far more effective but it's not that different the same kind of relief that you'll get from deep tissue massage is very similar to what you'll get from a foam roller but even with like same thing like let's say you have pain and so you go see a massage therapist and when you're done oh my god it feels so much better you're probably going to have to keep going if you don't solve the reason why you're getting tight like that in the first place so foam rolling is a very valuable tool but it is not a solution it's part of a solution I look at it as an active versus like passive therapy so this is like probably one of your passive even though you're the one instituting it it's more passive than actively controlling I would agree and with that go to mindpumpfree.com and download all of our guides and resources we have guides on fat loss muscle building building your arms getting a better squat I have a testosterone guide for those of you that want to raise your testosterone so it kind of costs nothing you can also find the three of us on Instagram you 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