 I don't think the Russians, I think they're that color, very often, of course, at the time. But I do think they are responsible people. And when they said that they think this is the way to persuade them that they will use their influence, I think that is rather a statement because they're also a big power and they don't make statements off their hands. They did once before. Yeah. But I don't think at that time, Mr. President, I don't think at that time they were in the position to deliver that they're in now. I think they do have more influence now as a result of what's happened in the communist world and as a result of what's happened in China. Well, this came when we talked to him, while he told me that he thought he had some influence with the North, and the thing that gave him the most distress was that we had all these big bases out there. And that while he didn't necessarily underwrite this, but there's a lot of feeling in the rest of the world that people didn't go out and spend billions to build bases to abandon them. And he thought that if we could give any, if we could state it some way, it hadn't been stated that we didn't plan to stay there, stop our bombing, that there might be some movement. And so I said, well, we'll see if we can find some way to assure you that we won't come home quicker than anybody wants us to come. And that while we're not going to turn our face to that part of the world, as I said in Baltimore, our investment to the cause of peace, let the United Nations, let the ICC, let the governments themselves turn these things into textile planes to schools and hospitals and use these buildings for educational centers or anything else. And we'll come home and we'll be out of there as soon as you can have anybody that will guarantee stability. If you let the United Nations have an election, we'll take the winner of the election. If you let the ICC supervise it, we'll take the winner of the election. What we ask is that people have the right of self-determination. And if they want to go your way, all right, if they want to go our way, all right, if they want to go another way, all right. But we just don't believe y'all to sit there and let them eat up babies or just cause they're stronger. So I went to Manila then, and I wasn't a single man that wanted to go as far as I went. But I said to Gomiko at Manila, and that was the purpose of it, that if we can have a ceasefire and if we can bring all violence to an end, we will not to exceed six months. That's the time to get the wives and the kids out of school and pick up them all up and move them out, lock, stock and barrel. And they said, well, Key wouldn't stand for that. Bill Bundy and them said that I just wouldn't work, that I would overthrow Key. So we got Key in and I said, who knows the most about Vietnam? You or our people? He said he did. I said, well, you tell us that you want to stay there, odd infinitum? He said no. What's wrong with this? He said nothing. I'll go with you on that. We just, as soon as we can stand by ourselves and let our own people select what we do, and nobody's going to shoot us while we're willing to go home. So we said that. But we didn't get one movement. We haven't got one response. We have for periods, as you have observed, for a good deal of a period, we didn't do any bombing. We held back. We didn't get close to any of them. And they didn't move. Then when the weather cleared up and we hit some targets for railroad yards, truck concentration center, they tried to shoot at us. We don't know really what happened. I don't think these boys, I don't think they really know my pilot when he sees a rain cloud or hail storm or something. He thinks it's 10 miles and it may be 20. And they're being shot at. They're being shot at. They see things they don't see and I don't know. But my judgment is that they just, they say I'm just shooting like hell and this stuff all goes up, it's got to come down. And I think there's no question about what we killed. Some civilian, nobody's ever said we didn't. I think that's the biggest fraud that I ever saw. And I think you ought to answer that with Harrison Salisbury. I think you ought to say that we have, that's one of the reasons we want to cease fire. That's one of the reasons we want a violent stop. That's one of the reasons we said we'd get out in six months is because we don't like to see civilians killed. And we know that when you hit a target, somebody's going to get killed. It's just one man that's running the alarm system. When we hit the POL, he gets killed. But if they have thousands that live in the area, a lot of them are going to get hurt. But if they don't get hurt, they just go to shooting at each other and they get hurt. And when they shoot at a plane, that's right over Hanoi. Well, it goes up, wasn't feet, but it's got to come down. And when it falls, it's going to hurt somebody. It may have a United States flag on it or a North flag. And our boys tell us that they didn't bomb any civilian centers. But I'm not prepared to indict them and jail them and charge them with violating my order on the basis of the evidence I have. But I am prepared to say that their orders and their authority extends only to military targets at this time. Well, that's the proper statement. And they cannot think that they have the poor fellows that are up there in their being. That this is not the case there. Well, I don't think a single one of them, even when they get shot, had dropped a bomb on the city of Hanoi. And I don't believe that Mr. Target's what they say, but I do believe that when a man gets after them sometimes they shoot their stuff or when a Sam shoots at them, it falls and hits. And it doesn't make a difference. They don't go out and see whether it's made in Hanoi or in Moscow or Washington or Chicago. They just know their dad. Yeah, I said him one. Yeah. Yeah. I told him to do three big problems. The first one was disarmament. We ought to find some way where these two great nations just quit spending everything in the world in this field. And Khrushchev and I had started cutting down on atomic reactors and on defense expenditures. Had everything going there every week, so writing letters. And then all of a once they threw them out right before my campaign, they got scared, go orders, wild statements. Just think that it's foolish for them to build one and let's do the same thing. I'm cutting down on my atomic reactors now and I'd like to cut down on my defense. As I said in Baltimore, Converges find some answer. We'll do it. We've got the population problems of the world and how the industrialized nations are producing full fifths of everything produced and we've got to do something that we have great responsibilities there. And then I get to the food problem and say that we've added 7,500 million people every year and so they've got to be thin. And we cannot as leaders, we've got to find peace and we've got to do these other three things and we just cannot avoid our responsibilities as John's of the 20th century. I don't spew that language but that's the thought that I want him to know that I welcome them everywhere I can. I don't want anything decent about it of course but I told Tommy that I don't expect it to see any of them will come but I'd like for anybody to want to come anytime and any of their second, third men come around and visit with us. We'll have an open arms. We'll see them. We're going to keep our powder dry but always keep our hand out and we want to encourage trade. That's what I'm working on with the Congress. I think you're going to have to work on it a lot more. I think you're going to have to do more up on the Congress than you've ever done before particularly on some of these things that involve a world outlook. I'd rather hope that you... Say anything about the... No, no. I think Tommy thinks that he can get into that but if we go to approaching it they back their ears and think that they'll be charged with being our students. Make sure I definitely act for New York that they're awfully anxious in the South. It's going to be that message. I don't think it... I just think it in no way is not ready everybody thinks the noise is ready the Poles, the Poles, the Russians but when you really get onto it they just cannot make a burge there with this situation as it is and I don't disagree with that assessment. One of the things that we've done we draw along around the line we say we won't go on this line we keep it down for months then we go in there burge and do it all the way and so forth five or six miles outside of town but they're right in and start going up there and they've killed more civilians about ten times what we've killed I see a plane fly over and you won't see a plane fly over high-fung we've got a circle here and we won't do anything you give me something to guard they just shoot down one of my patrols immediately they don't do one damn thing and they don't acknowledge it and from them you ask the Russians why they can't deliver something they say well they're not quite ready yet but don't you talk to them and tell them you can deliver tell the United Nations I say why don't you tell the United Nations man that you can deliver your man that you're ready to do business anytime