 Here we are at Wally Park. Going to LAX to fly to Toronto. Dan's my Uber driver today. Hey, it's George the Tech. And Dan Leonard with a booboo. Aw, he got a booboo. Wacked his head on the hatch of the car this morning. What a way to start your morning at 4.30 a.m. Anyway, we're at LAX heading up to Toronto to the Great White North. Take off, eh? For Vio North. And I'm just reveling in the sheer disaster of the acoustics of Terminal 6 at LAX. It is so noisy and echoey in here. Look at the ceiling. Now we always talk about ceiling clouds. You like a good ceiling cloud. This place could use a couple of those. This place needs some ceiling clouds. Big time. It is all 100% hard surfaces. The whole ceiling. You got glass all over here. Drywall here. You got marble back here. It is an absolute acoustical disaster. I mean, listen to the announcements. What a disaster. Anyway, that's our life. We can't walk anywhere without hearing echoes, reflections, bad bad sound. Anyway, we're having a, we're gonna be up there doing Vio North and we're going to be doing actual V-O-B-S from Vio North, a tech talk, which will be airing at our usual time. And it should be a lot of fun. Dan, what are you looking forward to at Vio North? Speaking to the crowd, seeing people I haven't seen in a long time. There's a significant hug debt going on that we have to take care of. And now I have something that everyone will give me sympathy for. Maybe we can all sign your Band-Aid. Oh, there you go. That'd be different. I have a bigger Band-Aid if you want it. I'm good. I'm good. And speaking of Band-Aids, I mean, speaking of voiceover actors, it's David Tovay. From the same flight I knew it, dude. Good to see you. One of the chances. I've been here the whole time, I've been here to see you. So anyway, we're gonna go take off, eh? We're gonna go to Vio North. We'll see you. They got donuts on board? Donuts and beer, eh? Take off. Hey, it's time for voiceover Body Shop. And we are at Vio North. This is a great lounge they have here. We've been talking to people here and we've been having a great time. It's the last Vio North, but it's like a lot of other voiceover conventions, but this one was really special. We met some really cool people. It's more intimate. You know, it's a much smaller scale and a different crowd. It's Canadians a lot. Anyway, and so it's just, it's got the Canadian vibe, but you still get all the same great knowledge. Right, and we're like looking at like Massey Hall and all these cool places here in Toronto and, but we're gonna talk to a bunch of different people, so join us right now. Voiceover Body Shop. Voiceover Body Shop is brought to you by VoiceoverEssentials.com, the home of Harlan Hogan's signature products. Source Elements, the folks who bring you Source Connect, JMC demos, when quality matters. VioHeroes.com, become a hero to your clients with award-winning voiceover training. 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All right, we're talking with Dervilla Trainer, who is the founder and the head honcho here at Vio North. And thank you for one for having the conference. Thank you for coming. Our pleasure. It's been great having you here. What are the origins of Vio North? How did you come up with the idea of doing this? Well, I have an event production background. And I went to this meetup in Toronto, and it was just at a bar, completely unorganized. Just meet here and we'll chat one evening. Was that Vio and Tio? Yeah, it was. Over at the Frog and Peach or whatever the place was on Young Street? So long ago. Yeah, like the Frog and something or whatever. Something and something. And there were people, someone drove up from Buffalo. Someone came from Oshawa, which is about 45 minutes east of here. People drove in from everywhere just to sit and talk to other voice talent. And I had conversations that were so valuable. I thought, well, people are clearly craving something like this. I know how to put on an event. So then one thing led to another. And then Tanya helped me with curating because she's an agent and she has connections to a lot of very credible people. And that kind of, it spiraled from there. And how many years you've been doing this? This is the fourth. Then this is going to be the final time you're doing that? Yes, I know. I'm sad to see it go, but it's time. Well, it's something that's going to, it takes over your life for the time that you're doing it. Yeah, it's been my full-time job for the past month and a half. I had, so not no voiceover. Well, like a little job here and there. But yeah, it's quite time consuming, but it's a labor of love. That's great. What was your philosophy behind this type of conference? Because it's a little bit different from some of the others. Yeah, we, the few big things are bringing the community together, meeting other people, learning from credible speakers who are not trying to sell you something. We get, we really try to get speakers who don't normally do conferences, but they're working in the voiceover industry day in, day out. So we just want to bring as much value as we can, bring the community together and just learn. Every aspect of your voiceover business. Now, Toronto's a unique market. I mean, I've, you know, I, you know, lived near here, so I was up here and I, and I got to go to some of the VO and TO things and those were a lot of fun. But the market has really changed because Toronto was really a production hub. So there's a lot of studios and that sort of thing. And I found that people in Toronto were slow to transist to the home studio model. Did you, did you find that too? Well, the pandemic really helped. It did in LA too. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I had a home studio, which actually gave me a leg up before the pandemic because I had like a whisper room booth and I had a full, you know, MKH416 mic and I was set up at home, which gave me a leg up. But well, for online casting and stuff, but there was still a lot of in studio sessions and auditions and everything. But the pandemic really kicked it, kicked it into home studio gear, I guess. So, yeah. So I think nowadays there's a lot less in person. Yeah. Well, George and I were always saying that, you know, for 10 years, we were busy telling people, you know, you really need a home studio. You really should do this. And of course, when the pandemic hit, we were very, very busy. And I'm sure that the same thing happened here with people like, how do I do a home studio instead? Yeah. Yeah. Your business must have skyrocketed. Oh, it did. It was, as we like to say, we were busier than a one-legged guy in an ass-kicking contest. So it was... Yeah. Yeah. It was same here. I had a lot of people content. I mean, my skills are nowhere near yours, but people just saying, help. I don't know what to do. And I'm like, well, like, this is what I did. I don't know. But then I just put them in touch with other people. But yeah, definitely a lot of people trying to figure it out. Well, there's a lot of engineers here in Toronto because there are a lot of post-production houses and the network productions and stuff like that. And there's also a great theater and movie community here, right? Yeah. It's kind of like New York, right? You've got your Broadway. We've got our... I don't even know what you call it. But there's just a lot of different theaters. Yeah. I mean, we're literally looking at the legendary Massey Hall, which is why I love this venue. Lots of windows, and you're looking directly at one of our legendary halls. Right. Yeah. And then the Pantages is right over there, and which I... Everybody saw Phantom of the Opera had. If you lived in Buffalo, I was like, you must come see the Phantom of the Opera at the La Gloria. And then they discover the Winter Garden Theater and this building over here. Beautiful theater. Yeah. And then there's more just east of here, or west of here as well. So, yeah, lots of theater, lots of production. I mean, Toronto and Vancouver as well, but Toronto is definitely the hub in Canada for voiceover and acting and all that jazz. So, what are your plans now that you're not going to be doing this? For plans for VO North or me? For you. Well, still voiceover, but I'm shifting into a bit of television production as well. Yeah. It's amazing. It's shocking how similar event production is to television production. So, yeah, I'm just easing right into it. It's fun, but I'll definitely always do voiceover as well. Great. Well, Dervil, thank you so much for putting on VO North and for having us, and we've been having a great time. Great. Thank you so much for coming. Honestly, we love having you here. Well, we're back here at VO North, and one of my favorite things about Toronto and coming to Toronto is Elire Hennessy, a marvelous coach and just a delight to have around and to work with. Welcome to VO North. Thanks for coming. Dan, everything is awesome when you're part of the team. Come on. This is a phenomenal experience, as always, just to get to chat to you and get to chat to all brilliant members of this community and audiences. You are the reason that we storytell it all. So, for everybody out there, thank you for your commitment to raising the bar in storytelling, and thank you for interviewing those of us who are constantly trying to change the vibration of the planet through storytelling. Because, you know me, I just think that communication, it is the human connection. This is a real planned FYI. Just like you and me, I'm a plant. So, we're here breaking the code and we're telling lies and we're loving each other hard and making the magic happen, which it's all about because I feel like in real person, things change, and we haven't had that opportunity for a while. So, it's really, really exciting to see what's happening when you actually have a human being that you can reach out and touch somebody's hand, make this world a better place. There's fun happening and there's fun happening everywhere, even at your home studios, alone. I know it feels like you're alone. You're not. We're all one energy gang. We are the ones that create the magic, alchemical magic. That's what the storyteller is. That's what you are. That's what is happening right now. And hopefully we can share a little bit of that with one another. Now, what were you teaching here? We were sort of watching the end of your class yesterday. It was going in a number of directions. Well, I teach how to exist in the void, how to color outside the lines, how to find the place where extraordinary happens, and it isn't in institutionalized training or classes. Yes, and I do teach classes, but I don't believe that methodologies are taught to individuals. I believe that they are discovered when you let go of control, when you actually reach outside of yourself and allow the magic in. So there's a kind of a turning yourself inside out and going back to a profound truth that we all understand how to play. We just don't do it because we're thinking so hard in the maturity. You know, our arrogance is that we're good at reading. That's not what this business is at all about. Magic exists in the, I don't know. So the I don't know place is what makes, it titillates, fascinates, and creates awe in the viewer and try to find that place. It ain't easy. It ain't easy to go there. So yes, getting outside of your comfort zone, in other words. Whatever that means to you because you are characters in every genre, commercial narration, promo, telephony, medical narration, animation, anime, dubbing, mocap. It doesn't, you're always a character. You are an entity that is trying to inspire your audiences. How do you step outside of your intellect, which is what we keep trying to use as good readers. If I wanted a reader, I'd go to the library. Acting with our voices, it's a beast unto itself that is like beyond time and space. It has no form. It is this wild, amorphic, allowing, if you will, of spontaneity. And what does spontaneity mean? And how do you teach every single entity to be their own version of spontaneity? It's like, well, that's like saying, I'm going to teach this class and you're all going to be better actors. Well, it doesn't work that way. My whole thing is if I was running a convention, there would be no classes. You would go and walk around the outside of the CN Tower at 500,000 meters up in the clouds, cabled off, and scare the bejes out of yourself, wearing your diaper and poop your pants and go, oh my god, I did this thing. Because what I don't think we recognize is that we are. It feels like that sometimes. Well, you know, we're miraculous with all of it, with all of our marginalizations of self. Well, I'm old. Well, I've got a qualified instrument. Well, I'm physically something. Well, I'm this, I'm that. And, you know, we're horrible about being set. You're perfect. You're perfect just the way you are. I want you. I don't want anybody but you. I don't care. But we don't allow that and we have no self-worth and we don't risk anything to show ourselves what we're capable of. So, you see where the dead thing happens? It's kind of like, what is happening? How do you teach people to play? Just say, okay, tug of war. Let go. What? What? What? And okay, talk back and forth. The other team, go. And then you say, I've got a water pistol. I'm squirting you in the faces. You have coffee. I've got it. Can't see. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I have to set up a restriction just like a game. You can't know what's happening. You cannot know. Cannonball into the pool right now. Go. You don't learn it in the studio. You learn it in life. Go do something that scares you. Makes you go, okay, go. Okay, that was really wild and hard, but I did it. I don't care if you do it well. I jumped out of an airplane. I peed my pants. I was like, they took a picture. It was on the wing of the plane. I was by myself. They wanted me to buy the picture. I would never, I wanted it burned. It was like, I looked like I don't know what was happening, but it was very, very crazy. And I did this thing and I constantly, when I'm feeling asleep, go, I got to do something that has nothing to do with voice so that I, as a human being, celebrate all the things that I can do. I go, can you slalom ski? Yes, absolutely. I didn't say, well, I said, can you do it? I don't give a shit how you slalom ski, how you flamenco dance, how you hula hoop. Are you a circus performer? If you try it, you can say I do it. Right. So in other words, if you can do something that is seemingly hard to do and impossible and you try it and you do it, what else in your life do you think you could accomplish? Bingo, Dan. Like, we can all do everything. People go, well, I have no arms. I can't draw. Well, have you met the mouth drawers and the feet drawers? Like, everything is possible, but we're so locked into an institutionalized idea of how to do it that we forget, oh, you mean, it's not just reading words and talking. No, it's actually not. It's a whole canvas of extraordinary ingredients when we concoct the magic. It's not just the words. It's not just the script that creates the magic. There's incredible feats that this entire entity, and we're all uniquely different, and yet we feel like we have to do it the same as the next guy. You don't. Well, Ellie Ray, it is always a thrill to hang out with you. It's been a long time. And clearly, we haven't talked to each other in a while. We had you on the show a few months ago. Yes, it was a year ago. Well, it was months, like a few months in this timeline. It was, you know, 500 centuries ago. But I just want to thank you both. I just think you guys are so phenomenal what you do, George and Dan, and what you bring to the entire team, to everybody out there by doing these kinds of interviews. It's phenomenal, gang. This is where the magic happens, where we get to communicate with one another, not in the auditions, not in any places. And I just wanted to thank you also for donating to the gift package for the ultimate VO survivor that Getmiked is doing another We're in Season 3, and you have generously donated to gift the winner. We have thousands and thousands of dollars worth of prizes that help those in an industry that, for the most part, can't afford mentally, physically, intellectually, intellectually, how to get themselves going in this industry. So thank you for being a part of our prize package and get out there and audition for that, guys, because, I mean, we've got trips to Hawaii. We've got memberships. We've got equipment. We've got studios. We've got everything. And these guys, of course, as well, have so generously gifted us. And I'm forever grateful for that. Thank you. Thank you. Hey, George The Tech here for VOBS at VO North 2022. And I got to sit down here with Mr. Jack Cox, who isn't an actor. He isn't a casting person. He's coming at it from the directing side. Tell us about how you work, who you work with, and where. I work out of Vancouver in children's television, children's television animation. I'm a voice director and a writer, mostly for, you know, boys' action stuff, a lot of aliens and robots and a lot of kids fighting things and explosions and burps and farts and stuff like that. And that's what I do for a living, yeah. What did you do to lead up to that? Where did you start your journey in directing? I started as a script editor doing dialogue, polishes, just punching up jokes and characterization. And then there was, I was just right place, right time, and I got to move into directing because someone else had a bigger project to do. So I just filled in and have been doing it ever since. Will you call it right place, right time, or luck favors the prepared? Luck favors the prepared, yeah. Yeah, yeah, you got to keep an open mind. If you get too focused on your goal, then you kind of miss all the other paths to getting it sometimes. There's two edges to that. Being, I mean, a goal, but being able to go with flow and be adaptable, adaptable is in my path. But tell us also, like, are you doing a lot of this work throughout the pandemic? Did it go to 100% remote? And how much of it is still happening remotely? During the pandemic, a good chunk of it was remote. I directed from home, which at the time was a farm. So that was a nightmare. It was terrible. Why, the smell, the sound, or the internet? It was a rooster that never stopped, like the entire recording. And there was a bear that kept coming up to the front door. It was, yeah, it was absolutely nuts. There was one time I was, yeah, shooting off bear spray and then running back into a session. So that was my pandemic. So that was pretty rough. Thankfully, I'm back in the studio now. All the actors are back in the studio. So we're all together once again. And, but for a while there, it was pretty, it was pretty remote. We would call that a technical term for that as a shit show. Yeah, yeah, whatever. Yeah, a shit show times two. Yeah, or foobar. Yeah, I was, I was shaking. I've never had a bear in session. So you weren't you were you on a couple panels during the unorth and what, what did you guys talk about? We talked about anime or dubbing series, like long reign, not like long term animation series that are such a backbone to voiceover in Vancouver for staying, for keeping work. Like it's the it's the bread and butter. Bread and butter. Yeah, it's the that sort of consistency gives you freedom to to do other stuff or I'll just know that your rent's being made. So we talked about that and also sat in with some really cool Toronto people here that I'd never met before like Susan and Kim and Roseanne and got to talk about casting with them. And that was really cool. It's been really great to be here. Well, I was lucky enough to sit in on the animation and video game and listen to those reads. A lot of talent was here for sure. Anybody like stand out and you're like, yeah, there were a couple actually that I think I would keep an eye on. I think, yeah. They don't name any names. I'm just saying. They don't name any names. No, no. But just anyone who had the keenness and the enthusiasm to just get up in front of like four directors on a stage, not just one casting director but four directors on a stage. In front of their peers. In front of their peers. That takes them like guts. I don't know. I don't think I do it. So so that was cool. Well, it was cool. It was neat to be there and witness it and listen in. And it's been a pleasure meeting you. Thanks for sitting down with us. All right. And we're here with our good friend, Brad Newman. What were you discussing? What was your topic here at VO North? So it's coming up at 2.30. And it's talking about websites. And one of the biggest questions that people typically have is actually about their email and how they can keep it out of people's spam folders, which sounds really simple, but it's rather complicated. Why is it so complicated? There's so many people that send so many spam and the algorithms that use to, from companies like Google to detect that, they keep very secret. They're constantly changing all of those things, but and that makes it complicated. However, your mail can use three things that can be set up properly and that usually fixes the problem. But nobody knows about these things except Brad Newman and various other webmasters. That's right. And most hosts don't set it up for you. But if you think about, you have keys to get in your house, there are keys to authenticate your mail. And the keys are very simple. They sound confusing, but they're an SPF, a DMARC, and a DKIM. We seem to love abbreviations and that makes things confusing. But there's simple tests you can run to find out which one's missing. And then you can just tell your host, this is missing, I need it fixed. And then they'll fix it. So it can be as easy as just checking and making a phone call and then parroting a little small abbreviation that you really don't even need to know what it actually stands for. But you have to understand, because it's like, why is this going into spam? Or why, you know, I've sent this email several times and this person, you always wonder, why is it that my email didn't go through? I mean, we can talk to the moon, but we can't seem to get an email across town. Because no one, I mean, no one really just does their job a lot of times and little things get missed. That's one of the little things, but it's very, very important to your business. It's probably your primary form of communication. And so you need to just check that. And if you don't know how to check that, call your host and just ask them, are those three things in place? Or call me, I'll fix it. Why does companies like Google, who apparently run the world these days, why do they change these parameters all the time? I've noticed this and our mutual friend Joe Davis is constantly fixing these things. And I'm sure you are too. You know, and they do it without notice. Why do they do that? Because the spammers are constantly changing their methodology and what they do. And so you have to keep either ahead of that curve or you have to keep chasing that curve and making a correction to try to keep what we're relying on email usable and functional. So it's kind of this cat and mouse game. I mean, Google is constantly changing things. And I find that like, why am I suddenly, why am I suddenly using this platform as opposed to the other one? And why didn't they warn me? They may send you an email like, three months, we're going to be doing this and they expect you to remember that. Google tends to take the idea and throw it against the wall to see if it sticks. And that constantly gets taken away or changed and modified. But ultimately a lot of their changes are just like any company. They're derived to happen to grow or increase revenue. And sometimes that can impact the little guy. Us, let's shift the voiceover for a little bit. What sort of services are you offering for the voiceover community? Biggest thing we're known for is upper level hosting. So basically you already have a website or you should have a website and your demos are on it. And you don't have to know or worry about any of those problems that we just talked about. Even the ones with Google, because we will do the check, we will make sure it's done and we will fix it for you. And that's it. You can focus on what you're doing, which is reading the script. So hosting is our biggest thing. It's upperlevelhosting.com. Yeah, hosting is really important as we know. Where your demos are, it's where your brand is, it's how you're going to be sending your communications. It's, in my opinion, one of the most important aspects of your business beyond having the skill, the talent, the gear and the demo. Because you need those things to do the job, but you've got to have that website and that email to mark it to get the jobs. Let me throw you a curveball. Have you tried the new Wovo demo player? I have checked it out and so far I like what I see. I think they did a really solid job. Well they worked on it for about a year, so it should be working. And we're offering that at World Voices. For members, all members can get that. So that's a really cool thing to have. And you remind me that I need to make sure my membership is renewed or auto renewed, because I honestly don't remember. Well I see your name on the list. All right, good, good. You're probably still in there. Then I like auto renewals. That's a good thing. Right, thanks for being with us. My pleasure, man. Thanks for all you do. Appreciate you guys. Well so far this has been great, but we're going to take a break right now. We'll be right back here on Voice Over Body Shop. Inflated prices, not at voiceoveressentials.com. Despite the nationwide inflation rate of over 8%, Voice Over Essentials refuses to raise prices. In fact, they refuse to even say the I word. They're inventory is large on all their products and they purchase them before the current economic conditions. It's simply wrong to increase profit as many retailers are doing right now. So Harlan and company promised not to raise their prices during difficult times for everyone. They'll stay the course. Steady and sure. Flat and firm. Solid and steadfast. Okay, enough. You get the point. 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So let us know what you think on with the interviews. And now with a couple of great friends, people. I've met for the first time in somebody I know very well, Kim Handysides, and her daughter. It's Lisa Sulietanu. Well done, well done. Thank you. I study my notes. You're here at VO North. What were some of the sessions that you were presenting and what have you been talking about? E-learning and explainers was yesterday, and that was amazing. I was talking about the trends in the industry, where to find the work, but also just hopefully some really good coaching tips to be able to help people access more of the work, because it's just like exploded. I mean, there's a lot out there. And of course, there's the threat of AI, which was something that I had a panel on yesterday, which I found fascinating. Do you think that's going to be an issue in the future? I think that it's probably going to take out the fivers. It's going to... I've had a lot of clients who've actually tried an AI and then have come to me and said, it didn't work. Can you please do it for us as a human? That's good to hear. Yeah, yeah. I think what... Personally, I think what's going to be happening is that they're going to... It's going to help them realize the value of us, because we are the human connection in e-learning, right? There's so much animation or slides or whatever. And the one thing that actually sinks it into the person's brain is the human voice. So an AI can't do that. Now, we've been... I've been preaching the same thing, saying that a computer can't emulate the thousands of choices that a piece of copy is going to present to somebody and they can create some patterns and stuff. Now, Lisa, what are you doing with your mom here and what's your background in voiceover, aside from your mom? So I've had the privilege of starting my career very young. I've been doing voiceover since I was seven years old. And I just fell in love from the moment that I was first brought into studio. And so I've built my career doing voiceover. I do a lot of corporate narration, any type of narration really, and commercials, some video games as well. And recently, over the past couple of years, been doing some coaching with... Three years, you're right. Time flies. Yeah, just been doing some coaching with Kim. And we love the group coaching dynamic that we've been able to achieve with the voiceover study workshop that we've done. And we just want to keep building that, yeah. Have you found joy coaching as much as voice acting? And why? As much, it's different. Definitely as much. And I love to just share my passion and share my knowledge. And you get to meet so many talented people and to be able to give them advice that... And watch their progression and their growth and to be a part of that is just incredibly fulfilling. Yeah. We've had a few people at VO North here who have gone through our class, our workshop, and Rachel, for example. Rachel Gilbert said, I'm now full-time, thanks to you guys. And I was like, yay. And another one, Hadi Hajjar, who's now got an agent and he's booking national commercials and he's doing really well too. So yeah, it's very rewarding. Now, what's the name of your coaching outfit? It's the voiceover study. Yes. And you can access it on my website, kimhandysidesvoiceover.com or on Lisa. Lisa Sulitianou.com. Yeah. And it's a six-week workshop over 12 hours, over six weeks with a maximum of 12 people. And it's very intense. We look at commercials, e-learning, corporate narration explainers, all the adjustments for that, and documentaries, and audio books too, and character work. Just about everything that's in there. Now, we've been observing you two all weekend. You're obviously a very tight mother-daughter pair, aren't you? Yeah, we're close. Yeah. What's it like working with your daughter on most times? Oh my gosh, it's so much fun. She's extremely talented and very bright. And what I love about working with you is that she brings a fresh blood, a fresh set of eyes. She's got her finger on the pulse of what's happening in the current world. I mean, I do too, but she's kind of in it, you know? And I really love having that perspective to help me grow as a coach, but also to see what it does to the people who come to our class. And what's it like working with your mom? Incredible. I really like she's such an amazing resource, such an amazing person, but then obviously also such an amazing resource. And I'm just, it's awesome to, we go out for business lunches and we'll talk about, we'll catch up on life and then we'll close that chapter and move on to the business chapter and it's so nice to be able to do both. Good luck in the future. Thanks for joining us today and for the stuff that you've been offering here at VioNorth. And it's just great to see you both. And I can't wait till we see you again, hopefully in Orlando. Yes, sounds great. Love it. All right, we're here back at VioNorth with our dear friend and fellow Wackadoodle engineer guy. And comrade. Friendly competition. Uncle Roy Yolkelstin and... Uncle Stein. Yeah. Right. Is it, is it Froedrick? Something like that. Froedrick Frankenstein, yes. Yeah, it's Frankenstein. Miss the Frankenstone. Yes, that's it. That's it. Frankenstone. So you're running all of the audio production for a show like this, which you do for almost all the conferences now. What does it involve to do this kind of stuff? And does it involve sleep or eating or any of those things? It involves lack of sleep, typically four hours. So that's about all I get. By the time I, well I have to do my Facebook shtick, you know, like what day is today and all that stuff. But I know to the right is louder. That's important to know. We're doing very little, just even the microphones out. I mean, we've got a bunch of wireless mics. The more wireless mics the merrier, because then you don't have to tape down wires. However, wireless mics could drift, could be too far away from the receiver. Battery changes, which I think we're sort of low on batteries now. And you need enough tech support help. Thank God George and Dan were here, because they kind of, like I said it up, it was all set to go. I said, George, just sit here for a minute, make sure things are even. Then they didn't want to leave. I couldn't leave because once I started riding the gain on the mic for the animation thing, and they were kind of all over the map, then I was married to it. I couldn't leave. I had to keep my hand on the fader. Yeah, so we're just trying to keep it even. I mean, I guess if I had a compressor over the whole thing, or auto, you know, auto mix would have been okay. But auto mix puts us out of business, then we don't have to sit there. So it's sort of the AI of audio mixing, you know. How much gear did you bring with you? I brought too much because in the original plan with Long and McQuade, they were going to give me three, four little tiny two input mixers. And I said, well, I got a panel of four plus a moderator. That doesn't really I could make it, you know. So they upped me to answer your real question. So I brought a Mackey 14.02 and an old school sure mixer. What is somebody P what? P what? I forget what model it was. Forget two, but it looks classic. Really, you really brought one of those. Isn't it noisy? I said, well, it'll do the job. This isn't broadcast. It'll do the job. And PS, I didn't use it anyway. So I brought way too much gear. They are using my 416 in the source elements booth. Bear cave booth and too much stuff. I brought too many pairs of headphones. Too much. We like to be overly prepared. Then when George comes to me and says, do you have a stereo mini to? I said, yeah, as a matter of fact, I do. Well, he had a orange cable and I had he had it. We so you have to over pack. So you're because you can't where are we going to go? You know, it's too far to there's no more radio shacks. Damn it. Although you did have something that still said Radio Shack on it. So he has the same purple cable. Yeah. Yeah, I love it. We had those at the United Nations. Those purple. I don't know if I swiped those from the United Nations or if I actually bought some from Radio Shack. You heard that first here. Don't tell anybody. It's a secret. It's a UN secret from UN radio. What's really the difference between producing recorded audio for voiceover and doing live sound? What are some of the differences you have to think about? You have to for the live sound, you kind of have to really ride gain on the nuances to pick up. The women were pretty well, you know, they were speaking here. And then the men were, I don't know why every one, the men were like soft spoken and I or vice versa. You know, the woman is speaking softly and the guy grabbed the mic. So when they're sharing a mic, you have to be kind of be on your game and just ride gain a lot. And we don't care about noise floor. We don't care about compression, noise gates. You know, we don't care about any processing. This is live. It is what it is. So if it was streaming out live, it would be absolutely fine. And nobody cares if you can hear it. And these, most of these rooms are kind of small anyway. So you can hear them talking from the stage. One of the rooms we had to put fans in because the air conditioning was down. Okay, we needed to hear them over the sound of the fan. And the mics now are much better than they were back in the day. They're more linear. The speakers are more linear. Feedback is less of an issue than it was before. The acoustics in these crappy rooms, so I said to George, we got to make like a big tri-booth and put it in these rooms and we'll all huddle inside the wigwam. And you know... Yurt, the yurt edition. Yeah, there we go. We'll have a yurt edition. Oh yurt, the yurt edition tri-booth. Everybody's to sit on the floor with their legs crossed, though. Oh, that's cool. There's a fire in the middle. No, I'm just kidding. But we should have this fire from over here, the fire. We should do that. Right. And anybody else who's listening, if this airs before October 8th and 9th, come on over to my house for two days of nonstop live music and eating. To nonstop, that's the word, yeah. Nonstop live music and eating. Whenever it used to come over here, he immediately said, you got to your plugs for me? It's like you're too sensitive, you know. We try to... What do your neighbors think about that, where you just tell them, go away this weekend? Or just walking around the block and an older couple was selling some furniture and they said, hey, are you gonna have that party this year? We love that music. So, I mean, the neighbor neighbors, one of them's sort of an asshole, so we don't care what they think. And the other one, they say, oh, we're gonna be out of town, don't worry about it. No, they're fine. People come by from down the block. Like one neighbor, I saw him eating a hot dog. I said, you could say hello first, maybe, or would it be okay if I had some? Like he's not on the list. You're just my down-the-block neighbor. And you are? He thought it was a block party. He was just crashing, he was crashing. I asked the cops, do I need a permit for this? They said, why, is it a block party? I said, no, but 150 people are gonna be there. They said, nah, you're good. I love Jersey. Yeah. So that's the Uncle Roy annual V.O. BBQ. That's right, V.O. BBQ 17, 17th annual. So go on Facebook and search Uncle Roy's 17th annual. And while you're there, there's a link for you to click to buy an Antland Productions t-shirt. Just like this. Mine's waiting at home. Different 5e, you bought the long sleeve. I think I got that one. That was the one I wanted to get. Oh, okay, yeah. Well, I didn't see who bought what, but somebody bought the long sleeve fluorescent tie dye. That's a little different. So a tie dye, purple tie dye, black v-neck women, black v-neck men, regular black. And that's a fundraiser as well. That's a fundraiser for no kid hungry. And so no kid should be hungry. So why not? And it's fun to wear one. Like I had the tie dye one that I could take a picture of myself in front of the Arc de Triomphe and other places that I met. Hey, Uncle Roy, I'm here. My son has my logo tattooed on his arm. And I said, what the hell is that? Free advertising, dad. He's a little too tattoo-centric over there. Yeah. Uncle Roy, always a pleasure to talk to you, especially the three of us get together. It's a nutty time. We have the best time. We share, and we share industry secrets. Yeah, that's right. Like this microphone is a 416 wannabe. Knock off. And probably like half the price. How much was this? How much? A four? Like $2.50? Hide the name, though. Yeah, make sure. Yeah, the name is a little embarrassing, but especially if it has a 2020 behind it. Then it's really bad. No, for $250 or $300 versus $1,000? Yeah, it's clearly wanting to be a 416. It feels like one. It's made of brass. They couldn't use the same design on the sides, because that's probably patented. It would get sued. I like the extra low-end, and I don't have to add it. You think it's a little too much. Oh, hi-fi. Yeah. The disco smile. Yeah, just base treble. That sort of thing. But it sounds clean. It's clean. Be it a loudness button. Right? Loudness would make the base and treble crank up. Yeah. Hey, man. Always a pleasure. Yes, sir. See you soon. Yes, sir. Always fun. All right. Bye, VLBS. Well, this has been very entertaining and very enlightening, and we want to thank everybody here. 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I mean, besides from our guests today, we need to thank our donors like 949 Designs, Jonathan Grant, Casey Clack, Christopher Epperson, Sarah Borges, Phillip Sapir, Thomas Pinto, Shelley Avelino, Shelley's here somewhere. Oh, we can thank her personally. Brian Page, Patty Gibbons, Rob Rader, Greg Thomas, Dr. Voice, Ant-Land Production, Uncle Roy, who was with us. Shauna Pentington-Baird, Martha Kahn, Don Griffith, Trey Mosley, Diana Birdsong, and Sandram Manwellers. All right. You can join our mailing list too and make sure that you know what's coming up next on VoiceOver Body Shop. It's on our home page, VOBS.tv. It says, you know, join our list or something like that. I'd like to take another look at it one of these days. Also, we need to thank our amazing sponsors with whom this show wouldn't be possible like Harlan Hogan's VoiceOver Essentials, VoiceOver Extra, Source Elements, VioHeroes.com, VoiceHactorWebsites.com, JMCDemons, and WorldVoices.org. Alrighty, of course. Well, Jeff Holman wasn't here. We didn't need anybody's questions. We had our own questions. And Sumer Lino, our director. We gave her the weekend off. Yeah, she finally had some time off. But we do have to thank Lee Pinney for just being Lee Pinney. Well, that's going to do it for us here in Toronto, or as they say in Toronto. Toronto. This is a great business, folks. We're here to help you out with your home studios and bringing you the best people in the business to tell you what it's really all about. But when it comes to your audio, there's a lot you can do to make it work. But if it sounds good, it is good. Don't mess with it. Right. Don't fuss with it. I'm Dan Leonard. And I'm George Whitton. And this is VoiceOver. Body Shop, or V-O-B-S.