 The House of Representatives on Wednesday has directed the joint admission and matriculation board, Jam, to desist from any further action on the issue of the alleged manipulation of the unified texturing matriculation examination resolved by a candidate, Ms Ajit Keme Mesoma. Now, the House of Representatives are called on Jam to lift the sanction, barring the candidate from participating in the examination for three years, and called for the independence examiners to examine the girl's script and determine her score. Now joining us to discuss this is an educator and a chain agent, Ikechi Wogu. Ikechi, it's so good to have you join us. Apologies for the hiccup. My question again, many people have waited into this matter, and then across the National Assembly is the latest to waiting into this matter. Now, there's different opinions on this, that the National Assembly shouldn't have gotten involved in this matter. But many have also said that this matter has dragged on so long, it has come a national issue. What's your take on this? Yeah, I think it opens up a kind of warmth, you know, so we're at the days when a lot has to be brought in terms of operations. Intervity checks need to be done, a lot of auditing needs to be done, because this only exposes the many things that probably have been going on at the back end. Okay, so how Claire is jammed on the operations, okay, especially the bathroom stuff, because I mean, we've always heard about compromise here and there, and it spans through decades. Okay, so is it true that the system was compromised? Is it true that, I mean, results were falsified? When was jammed, when all of this was going on? At this point, it's almost a week since this drama began. We expect that some extra jam should be exact. Okay, any infiltration, any hack, any access into the Amazon web service, where the day you come in, the day an administrator accesses the system, the records are kept. So jam should have such a technology, this is technology. Okay, so it should come clear and say, this is the day this girl hacked into our system, this is the day our system was compromised. This is the IP address, okay, of the system of the IP address that was used and all of that, they shouldn't be expressing doubts and say this and that. I mean, imagine that a student comes out and say, this is the result that was issued to me and jump his doubts in their own result. I mean, it defeats the entire purpose of their integrity checks, yeah. Many have also created the jumping to conclusion here and the involvement of the DSS on this matter. Many have also said it's not the DSS, it was just the police. But then we see that the commissioner for education in her state has come up to say that the DSS was actually involved into the matter and it was, they were called in by officials of jam to investigate the matter. Again, should jam be investigated, DSS been investigating mess or should they be investigating jam in itself? Because if this girl continuously says, this is what I printed out of the system, this is what I was given, then of course, just as you said, there needs to be some checks. Even if, and we're not jumping to conclusions, something comes out of this, should jam also not be facing some level of sanctions? Is it enough to say, well, this girl cannot write this examination for the next three years? Again, the National Assembly asking that this embargo be lifted, are they helping the situation or are they making it even worse? I think the cases should be isolated on their merits. In the first place, my daughter was involved in jam this year. And we, from the mock exam, the essence of the mock exams is to test the integrity of the system, to audit the system in terms of readiness for the exams. And on the first day, we went in at the due time and she was scheduled for nine o'clock in another city. I drove her all the way to that city and then nine o'clock exams didn't start. We had to leave almost four PM at night in the evening, right? We left back for home and we found out that the system scarcely worked. Okay, so integrity test had failed and it's up until the day of the exams, she had to stop before her time because the systems were malfunctioning. The young man beside her just had a wreck, okay, because he just kept accessing and accessing and he was frustrated. For her, she saw the failure of the system. When the system stops you, okay, it restarts you and all of that and then that frame is compromised. So Jam didn't do a thorough job, okay, in terms of integrity and systems audit, okay? So at that point, Jam deserves the full investigation because when all of those glitches are called one too many, then they only give rise to infiltration of their system and compromise, okay? So the Jam system has been compromised and so Jam needs to run their internal audit and for the respect of it, they don't even need to go as far as the DSS because it makes a lot mess here, okay? Since the adventure, since the appointment of Professor Ishaku Loyede, I've known him, I've met him, I've been in the Jam office, he's done a whole lot towards cleaning up the system but the system, this systemic decay in the joint admissions and matriculation but span two decades, I've had, you know, encounters here there as far as 20 years ago, 25 years ago, okay? And nothing has been done. So the DSS coming in now should start from the very foundation to see where these things could be done. It's at that point, they will detect whatever it was, what about was done with Mesoma or not. There are many Mesomas out there in the streets, okay? And so it's not just about this one case of Mesoma and through generations of Jam, there have been Mesomas, okay? So yes, I agree with the National Assembly to see state action on all the suspensions for three years and all that. The little girl is too young for that. She might be innocent, she might not be innocent but it's only when thorough check of Jam and then Jam is found guiltless in all of these, then we can say, okay, Mesoma, okay, you come sit down. How did you pull through with this? Okay, did you actually pull through with this or you didn't pull through with this? But for now, we're still at the stage of investigating the joint admissions and matriculation board as an office, especially their tech staff, especially their tech details. Finally, one more before I let you go, a sentence. In the future, going forward, how do we make sure that these kinds of issues don't crop up? Because I'm sure, just as you said, there are several other people who probably have these same kinds of sleeps that would be flat one way or another. How do they make sure that this doesn't come up? Because again, I remember seeing INIC instead of Jam because it reminds us of an INIC situation. And we keep having these cases crop up every now and again, even when millions and sometimes billions are earmatched to upgrade systems and make them ready for situations such as the examination in itself or even the mock ones. Going forward, how do we protect these systems and firewalls from being infiltrated? Two words, systemic integrity. I think heads just have to roll because they have been wrought spanning through many years. I mean, if you have cases like special centers, as with Jam, as with other examinations, okay, national exams, I mean, today you have schools where you see maybe wire officials or something, you say, go and give them, go and vigilate that school. And they say, we won't go to school. Why? Because the school doesn't pay. The school doesn't give us a bribe. You know, you have all of such same wire officials and they let us go and immediately, and they say we won't go because they won't give us a bribe. They won't settle. So it's crazy. Yeah, in the case of Jam now, they referred to the electronic exams. Okay, but the electronic exams are not without their own glitches. So yeah, so a lot of systemic overhaul is required. Okay, let's have a system, a very big system that we could say, yes, it is with this system, we've done the tests and there's relative integrity. We want to conduct exams. Then we can see we're ready for this. Unfortunately, the time is not on our side, but I think we have to revisit this issue of cost of fortifying our systems, whether it be for elections or for examinations. But I want to say thank you. Get your logo is an educator and always on hand to speak with us on issues such as this. Thank you so much for speaking with us. We appreciate it. Thank you, Mary Ann. It's a pleasure, always a pleasure to do this. All right, well, that's the show tonight. If you want to thank you all for participating, don't forget that if you want to play catch up on all our previous episodes, just go to Plus TV Africa or Plus TV Africa Lifestyle on YouTube and of course be on hand to check all of our different programs. My name is Mary Ann, I'll see you tomorrow on Plus Politics. Have a good evening.