 This is Stink Tech, Hawaii. Community Matters here, one. Okay, we're back, we're live. It's one o'clock, rock, here on a given Wednesday. I get that right, Wednesday. Today is Wednesday. Okay, that's Nico Vargas. Nico is a millennial. He's also a videographer person. And he does camera work and he does editing. That's why we like him so much. Thanks for having me, Dave. We like him also because he's a millennial. We're gonna call this Community Matters. This is a Community Matters show, which is double entendre. Community Matters and it's Community Matters, okay? Pun intended. Double entendre. Pun intended. And we're calling this Food Chain for a millennial. Food Choices, yeah. Food Choices. Food Chain, yeah. Okay, because not everybody does this, but as it works out, Nico does it and we want to know from Nico how he does it, why he does it, we know everything. About six months ago, we had a show on with Rachelle Wong, I think her name was, and she was a dietitian from Straub and she was really terrific and she knew about vegan stuff. In fact, in the program, the Ornish program that she was involved in, that's what they do, they do Ornish and vegan. So my question to you is you're a vegan, right? Yeah. You know, we're talking vegan. Can I tell a vegan from a non-vegan person, Nico? You really can't. I mean, I know vegans who have more weight than more people, you know, or consider overweight, but they eat really healthy. I personally have a body type where I'm always like this, very lean and, I guess, skinny, but no matter what I eat, that's just my body type. That comes from my dad. So I don't think there's a way to tell... Yeah, the same body type. Yeah, she does. So I don't think there's a way to tell if someone is vegan unless you talk to them or kind of get to know them a little bit better. I'll tell you my story a little bit of how I started becoming or eating plant-based foods. You know, vegan can go all the way to... The vegan is plant-based? Plant-based. There's no meat. No animal products, no dairy, no eggs. And it's not that you take it out. That's not the same thing as vegetarian. It's different. Correct. Vegetarian, you can have dairy, you can have eggs. Those are not plant-based. Correct. So when we say plant-based, we're excluding not only meat, okay, and fowl and fish. We're excluding everything that is derived from meat and fowl and fish. Yeah. Like, for example, milk, you know, vegan stuff do milk. So we do milk. So instead of milk from the cow, I personally choose nut-based milk, which is cashew milk, soy milk, soy protein, and soy. Anything from soy is a huge part of the vegan food. It's not really milk though. It's not really milk where it comes from a cow. That's a marketing thing, you know. Yeah, it is. So like, I grew up in Colombia and my food in Colombia or the food we eat is heavily relied on meat, on chicken, not so much fish, but a huge portion is red meat and meat. Eggs in the morning, that's like what I ate, you know, coffee, you know, so that's like the routine breakfast and food. Sorry, but don't you miss the protein? I don't miss the protein because protein is important, isn't protein on those basic building blocks? Yeah, but I still get it. So I'm not taking out the protein. I'm just replacing it with other foods, which is what I've been learning what to replace my meat with. So one of those is tofu. It's probably one of the biggest, probably sources of protein as a vegan that you get. Second one would be lentils, beans, which are not really exciting. Not all beans, just some beans, right? Well, as far as I know. Lentil beans are really good. Yeah. And what do you call that? Baked beans. Baked beans. Well, I don't know what you call those beans, but those beans that come in baked beans. Fried beans. Fried beans. Oh, yeah. My favorite kind of beans. So, I mean, I'm just replacing the foods that I already eat. So a lot of the things that we already eat, which is rice potatoes, there are already foods that are vegan, you know? Potatoes? You can have potatoes without butter. You can have potatoes without sour cream. Potatoes. It just makes you fat, doesn't it, potatoes? Well, yeah, they're still part of the meal. It's all starch. Potato all starch. It's more like a filler. So you like starch? I like starch because it's part of the meal, right? So we have our rice potatoes and meat. But instead of the meat, I'm adding tofu. I'm adding avocado. I'm adding broccoli. So I'm just substituting that protein that comes from the animal. Now we do need protein. A hundred percent, I agree. I don't think we should take out protein from our food or anything, but I think we have to educate on what we're putting on our body and be conscious of how often we eat that red meat, you know? Yeah. There's a lot of research. Why don't you be careful about red meat? What's the problem with red meat that you're trying to avoid? I want to avoid getting into facts about red meat, but I'll tell you that a lot of diseases. I do. I want to do it too. So here's what I'll tell you. Everything you know about red meat, what's wrong with it? Diseases that come from the red meat. We have the exploitation of the cows, for example, which is a huge part of the red meat. Exploitation of the chickens, overfishing, which goes beyond... It's environmental considerations. What about chemical considerations? I don't know about chemical considerations. I haven't done my research. What would you agree with me, the red meat and any meat is actually a problem for health? Any meat. A problem for health? If not, yeah. I think it can be. Any meat. Especially if it's over-consumed. I think there's benefit. From an animal meat. 100%. There's things that... I mean, if you look at diseases and research... Chemical things. There's chemicals. I don't know if they put chemicals in the meat, but I know. The biochemistry of the meat interacts with the human biochemistry and you get bad results from that. Those things are dangerous to the human body. That's what they say. That's what I'm really asking about. That's not the reason you're a vegan, though. So I do vegan for many reasons. The main reason is my daughter. My girlfriend was a huge inspiration and really supporting a backbone to be able to maintain a healthy diet and healthy choices. When my daughter was born, she's three now, we decided her first food was avocado, for example. She's never had meat. She may have some in the future, but I can't really stop her from that. As parents, we're educating her on what to eat and what to replace that meat with or that milk in the morning with. We have oatmeal instead of eggs. We have raisins. We add a lot of nuts, cashews, which is where the iron comes from. Now I'll tell you one thing that the vegan food does not have that you do find in meat, which is vitamin B12 or I think in milk, too, but vitamin B12, beef or boy, that's the one vitamin that a vegan diet or food, which is not really a diet. So you have to take vitamin pills or something? So you have to supplement, which is good. How much? How much of it? I'll give you a percentage just for that, but I mean you can take one or two capsules per day. That's usually the recommended use. So that's the one thing that you don't really get from the plants or the, you get it from milk, you get it from cashew milk or some of the soy milk, but that's the one supplement that you do need to maintain. And that's where the iron deficiency can come in when you have your iron or you feel that lack of energy that people talk about is because of that. So it's really hard for someone to just go cold turkey and say, I'm not going to eat red meat. Why? Because we're so used to having red meat. We don't know. You have this craving. It's not so much a craving, but it's the smell of meat being grilled or cooked or something and you're drunk. Does that what happens? I mean you suffer from the lack of it in some way. I think you're just hungry. You just want to warm, you want to warm hot pieces of meat, you know, not meat, but you want to something hot or warm that you can eat and chew along with your starch or your salad or whatever else. Potatoes. Yeah, but usually you're protein, right? So that's where, so I think a lot of, like my challenge was, what do I eat if I don't eat meat? I saw the documentaries about the slaughterhouses and it makes, you know, if you watch a movie about a cow being slaughtered, you know, it doesn't make it feel good, but we still go and have the red meat, you know, because we don't, you know, we don't see the cow. We spend a lot of money for it, too. And we spend a lot of money and, but it's not because we necessarily want to, you know, some people may, but I think it's because we don't know what to eat instead of the meat. We don't know what to eat instead of the meat. Yeah, we're raised something like you were. Yeah. Like most people in this region. Like most people are, you know. Like most people in Europe, and for that matter, Asia, most people in the world, I mean, there's a few exceptions, but most people in the world were raised on the notion that meat is good for you. And that probably goes back for 100,000 years. Yeah. And people have gotten along. I mean, I remember talking about, oh, yeah, this whole thing about the development of the human species and you, you, the, the, the scientists were saying that you need to have protein to develop the species, the mind especially. Without protein, you know, you would, you would not, the human species would not be as well developed as, as it is now. The anthropologists, I've heard say that. Do you agree with that or is it great? I guess I would agree, but I would also say that you can bypass it the way you're bypassing it. So protein doesn't have to be meat protein. It can be some other kind of protein. And there have been, you know, groups in the world, in the rain forests would have you that managed to get along without meat protein and it's other kinds of protein. But if you don't have protein at all, I think you're, you're probably not going to develop as a group as a, as a species in the same way as if you did have protein. I mean, I think it's basic building block. So yeah, you go on that point, you know, a lot of people think that we're, our bodies are designed to eat meat and we're carnivores, I think it's the right term. But our bodies are actually herbivores. That's a combination. What's the word they use for both of them? Multivore. Multivore is the word. Well, you're both a carnivore and an herbivore. Oh, I haven't heard of that one. But our bodies by nature, we're designed to be herbivores. You know, the way that our jaws are shaped, you know, our lion, for example, that eats meat, obviously, their jaws go like this, you know, they're, they're signed to eat meat, they have claws. Their body is for that, you know, we're, we don't have claws, we don't have this things to make us, you know, we hunt. But our jaws are built for meat, aren't they? Not necessarily, because they, the way they move, that's what I was going back to the jaw. The lion goes like this, our mouths can go left and right. There's research to back this up, but my point is that our bodies, our human bodies, actually are designed to be herbivores. And all the protein that we need, despite of what people may think about the animal, can be found in the plant based protein, and mainly our green leaf vegetables. So protein, kale, spinach, anything that's green, a leaf that's green, lettuce. What are the stories of these guys with, you know, with spears and primitive bows and arrows would go out and, you know, into the, into the grasslands and, and chase around game. And they would, you know, it was a part of human culture in general. And there would be a ritual thing and they would, they would kill game and they would bring the game back and then have a big bonfire party and eat the game. And this was a big thing for them. And we didn't get into agriculture as opposed to herbivore culture for a long time. First it was, you know, killing game on the savannah. So I'm wondering, you know, did we evolve in that way? So, you know, I think we did evolve, but we also became so dependent on the Western diet, which is bacon, eggs, meat, chicken, fish every single day. So we're consuming these products every single one of us, you know, multiple times a day, times five days, seven days. So it's just over consumption of that cow that we have to have, you know, or that chicken. And it's not so much, you know, some people really want that, I understand. And they may feel an attachment to an ancestor's having to hunt for food. And, you know, especially in Hawaii, you go fish for your food. I respect that, but I don't respect the fact that we have to over-consume or we have to eat fish every single day. That's another factor. You talk about, you know, growing up in Colombia, you talk about, you know, culture points in Europe and Asia and really everywhere. But the fact is that our, what we eat today is not determined so much. Well, of course, culture is important because what your mother tells you, that's what you eat. You go eat this. You better eat this. If you eat your milk, if you don't eat your milk, you're going to make your mom unhappy. You don't want your mom to be unhappy. But I think a lot of what we eat, don't you agree, is what's sold to us at the supermarkets, on the television, everywhere you look. There are people hawking foods at us all day long. And a good percentage, you must know personally, a good percentage of that food is junk food. That's what they're trying to sell us. So vegan doesn't do junk food, right? Vegan does not. Well, actually, I do a lot of snacks. And you can be an unhealthy vegan. Like, I can go down to Earth and get myself ice cream and have ice cream, and then I can have a donut. Regular ice cream? But it's vegan ice cream, so it's soy-based. Oh, OK, OK. There's no milk in there. No, it's soy milk. I mean cow's milk. Yeah, correct. So it's dairy-free, essentially, which, by the way, dairy, a lot of the enzymes in our body are not meant to process dairy. That's why a lot of people, you know, have this digestion. A lot of Asian people can't tolerate milk. A lot of European people can't tolerate milk. It's so interesting. And the older you get, the more pronounced that becomes. So replacing that milk with cashew milk, soy milk, almond milk is a good option, or alternative, right? So I'm replacing the eggs with oatmeal, you know? Have oatmeal raisins, cashews. It's a good breakfast for my daughter. Avocado toast, peanut butter, jelly. I do. You know, I'm passed by a steak that's in a restaurant and say, oh, I want to go back to that. I need to have that once in a while. So I've had that feeling. And what I found, I thought it was I wanted the steak. And it's not that I wanted the steak or the chicken. It's that I just wanted a hot plate of food. And that's because after I eat the steak or I eat the tofu or the stir-fry, I have the same feeling. Like my craving is satisfied. I had my meal, right? But what changes is how I feel, right, when I go to the bathroom or how my body feels after I eat steak or chicken. Different digestive process. Yeah. So I feel better. You are what you eat. Exactly. So for lunch today, I'm downstairs. I'm at the restaurant. I'm looking around. There's pork and eggplant, which eggplant is good. I'm not going to go through the pork. There's orange chicken. And there's tofu and then a bunch of vegetables that are tossed in this sauce. So I get the bowl of tofu and sauce. Now when I'm looking at the meals, I'm like, OK, I see chicken. That would be something that can satisfy my hunger. I see the pork. But I choose, I'm more aware of the fact that I could eat the pork. I'm going to have side effects from that. I'm affecting more than just that pork. I'm affecting the environment. There's things that chain of reaction to that decision. So I think my point for today, too, is that I want to just make people aware of what they choose every day, starting from the next meal they have. When you go shopping, McDonald's has no options to really eat. But we're so dependent on fast food, especially as millennials. There we are. We just go, go, and go, and go. I'm going to go jack in the box. And my girlfriend has been a support system because she cooks a lot of the time. If I didn't have her guaranteed, I would probably be more dependent on fast food. I don't cook that much. So I would probably be more dependent on buying a steak or cooking something just for the sake of eating. I should keep her. But my question, and you don't have to answer it now because it'll take a break, my question is, suppose you find that the tofu dish you had downstairs was cooked in the same pot as the pork, or the chicken, or the fish, or the beef, doesn't that bother you that those fatty oils, the ones that are troublesome, and come from troublesome places that they're involved in your meal, even if you didn't want to answer, we're going to take a break. He's going to answer after we come back. OK, that's Nico Vargas. He's a millennial, oh my goodness. We'll be right back. This is Think Tech Hawaii, raising public awareness. Sounds like scuba divers are the poor man's astronaut. At Dive Heart, we believe that to be true. We say, forget the moon. Dive Heart can help children, adults, and veterans of all abilities escape gravity right here on Earth. Search DiveHeart.org and imagine the possibilities in your life. Welcome to Hawaii. This is Prince Dykes, your host of The Prince of Investing. Coming to you guys each and every Tuesday at 11 AM. Right here on Think Tech Hawaii. Don't forget to come by and check out some of the great information on stocks, investing, your money, all the other great stuff. And I'll be your host. See you soon. Back, OK. All right. So knowing, and I think you could make the assumption that there's non-vegan food in the pots in which the vegan food is cooked, doesn't that trouble you? After all, veganism is a story of purity. Purity in the food chain, purity in your body, purity. And you want to feel pure. And when you become a vegan, you do feel pure. And so isn't that offensive to your sense of purity? It is. And unfortunately, there's ways where you go out to eat. And you may not be able to find a way out of the pot they cooked, or the knife they used, or cross-contamination between food. There is no way around it. Even if you're 100% committed to veganism, you are going to have situations where you are not going to be able to have 100%. It's a compromise. Yeah. Well, I've got my stake scenario. So you say, once a month, OK? My girlfriend, she'll compromise with me. We won't give too much to the baby, just a little bit. We want the little family to have an experience with meat. Maybe once a month, a little bit, a little bit. It's a compromise. And so you don't feel so pure that you don't even touch it. You buy that? No. Like bringing food into the house or? Well, it doesn't matter where. So no, we don't buy into that. So the reason we started was obviously Jade, which is my daughter. And the way we started was after we had transition out of bread, meat, I come home one day and my girlfriend is like, we're going to go vegan. So we had just bought bacon. We had go to Costco. So we have all this. This didn't exist before. You were together before. We were together. And one day she comes home and she says, Nico, we're going vegan. We're going to play with the idea. What did you say to that? I was like, you know what? I'm open to it. You're a very amenable guy. You must like her very much. I like her, yeah, I like her. But the point is that it was just, in a way, cold turkey. One day we're just like, let's do it. What made her say that to you? What made her do that? To be honest, it was our daughter. We wanted to have foods in the house that we could all eat. This was all for the benefit of the child. For the benefit of the child, all ourselves too, because we had seen the documentaries. But ultimately, you did it for the child. Ultimately, it was for the child. It was mostly for my girlfriend too. For me, it was never a thing, because I was always been healthy, so I was never concerned about my weight or my healthy shoes. I was young. I was like, maybe later. That was my attitude. And I love eating foods, because that's what I ate my whole life. How long ago was that? I think we're going on three years now. My daughter's about to be three. So you feel better? For me, I didn't notice a huge difference. Some people say they feel more energetic. I noticed a lack of energy, and then that's why I started to find out why, which is B12. Why didn't B12 supplement? And nuts, which is your irony. So you started to take B12? B12 and I got it. And a lot of nuts. A lot of nuts. A lot of snacks. I take too many nuts. It's not so good, because nuts have oil in it. Oil is not necessarily a good thing for you. You can start to watch out for too much oil in it. Sorry, I know a little about it. No, no, no, totally. I don't know if too much oil is bad for you. We like olive oil and such. But one day, I come home, and that was that. We decided to take all the food out of the freezer, even though we had just bought a lot of groceries. We put it out. We gave it to our neighbors. We didn't totally dispose it. So a lot of bacon, a lot of milk. And then we started to shop down to it. We started to shop at other stores. And we also found that it's cheaper to be vegan, because you don't. Meat is expensive. Meat is very expensive. It's extremely expensive. You buy a tray of whatever meat, maybe 20 bucks, $25 for, say, a family or four. That's because it takes so much carbon to make the meat. And chicken likewise, and fish likewise, I suppose. And for that matter, products like eggs. Eggs are cheap. And eggs have a lot of cholesterol in them. It's bad for you if you care about cholesterol, and we all should care about cholesterol. But what about your girlfriend? Is she feeling better? I mean, is she feeling better the last three years than she had this moment? In this moment, yeah. She's feeling drastically better, to be honest. She's had red meat her whole life. I mean, she lives vegan. She's about the whole lifestyle of vegan, right? And because we're on food. So do you think it's forever? I think so. I mean, I don't see why not. I don't see why it's changed. Did you imagine yourself going back the other way and eventually on these points? Not necessarily, because I just, it's just like, I already know, like, number one, how the animals are treated. I learned a little bit more about the effects on the body or the effects that red meat can do to somebody. I don't know if I would want to switch back, especially. How about your daughter? Are you trying to inculcate this notion into it? Are you telling her, you know, we don't like red meat? We only eat the vegan meat? And let me explain the difference. Is she old enough to appreciate that? Not yet, but she does understand animals. And we have, my girlfriend wrote a song, Animals Are Friends, because they are. We don't eat our friends. We don't eat our friends, yeah. So the other day we're at the park, this beetle flies down, you know, and these little kids start to play with it and kind of toss it around. And she comes up, you know, it's a little three-year-old, you know, very happy. She's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? You know, like, animals are our friends. Like, don't, no, no, no, don't kill it. Don't kill the beetle. Don't kill the beetle. She's dead serious, like. And it comes from the song that my girlfriend wrote, which is Animals Are Our Friends, which goes back to the cows, the bees, everything, you know. That's great environmental stuff. So, I mean, is this part of your millennialism? I say that as if it were a virus, but is this part of your millennial outlook on things or what? I would agree with that. I think there's a revolution happening with people becoming more conscious of the environment, you know, what they eat. People already know that the red meat is not necessarily good. People know that fast food is not good for us. We just do it because it's fast food. Are you going to try to change the world on this, because, you know, the supermarkets, you know, they still have, you know, it's labeling, and they tell you, you know, stuff that may be bad for you. And at the same time, the next aisle over has all the junk food in huge supply. And then, you know, although once in a while, the fast food restaurants make a statement about how they're trying to be healthy, bottom line is they're not. Sorry. So the world is not changing just yet to become vegan. Although I would say that you look around, you find more vegetarian restaurants, more vegetarian meals, not only in the U.S., but everywhere in the world, you find that. So there is a certain, I don't know, movement, there's a certain development in this regard. People are becoming more aware. So my question to you is, how is humanity going to adopt this on a large scale? Would you advocate for it? Do you think somebody should? You know, somebody wrote a book, Heather and Jan, somebody made a statement on the media, but I don't see carloads of people shifting like you did. Yeah, it's a difficult shift. You need to have a support system. You need to really educate yourself on what to replace your food with. I think that's the biggest thing. And it comes back to starting with the choices you make every day. So next time you have a meal, just be conscious of where that red meat came from. You know, it's not your piece of steak, it's not your piece of chicken. It's someone, it's a living being that was out in the field that somebody slaughtered for you to get that on your plate, you know? So it's, I think people just have to be more conscious and more aware that next time they have red meat, there's effects that come to that, you know? Why not have your tofu at least start one day a week? Why not have oatmeal instead of eggs? Why not have maybe a piece of toast with avocado or peanut butter and jelly instead of cream cheese and butter? So that's something that people can implement right away and potentially that can be spread onto the next person and the next person and the next person. I don't think going out into the world and saying, I'm gonna be vegan and you have to be vegan and you have to eat what I eat. I don't think that's effective, but my story is effective, I'm still alive. My daughter is three, she's 100% vegan, healthy, no, you know, no signs of anything. She's fine, you know? She's running full of energy, great sleep cycle, great digestive system. I went to the doctor just to get a random checkup. My blood pressure was healthy. He's like, you have a really good blood pressure. And I've never been concerned about it, but he's like, your blood pressure is really good. I'm like, I've been eating plant-based foods the past year, you know, this was about two years ago. He's like, that's the best blood pressure I've seen in a male at your age, or your age, you know, group or whatever. So that's my story. What's the integration of this and exercise? This and exercise. What do you mean by that? Is it a relationship? I don't know. Because you can help you with exercise? Does exercise help you be a vegan? I don't know if that happens. I don't think so, to be honest. I don't have a direct answer for you. I do know that sometimes there is protein in the animal that makes you feel more aggressive, that makes you feel maybe more like an animal, like you are what you eat, right? So you eat a cow. You do have that sense of like, I'm a cow, I'm a beast, or I have this anger. I have never felt that way. So I've heard about people feeling that, you know, where they want to feel more aggressive, or they want to feel more so-and-so, they'll have meat just to have that sense. If you have plant-based foods, you may have what? Is there anything to that? Possibly, if you're trying to work out, you know, you're trying to get this energy that's sort of beast mode active. In business, then, if I eat red meat, I'll be a more aggressive businessman. In theory, that's- Substitute tofu, maybe not so much? In theory, that's what I'm saying, yeah. Oh, wow. It's true, I mean, you eat something that comes from a cow, and there's part of it that's energy that's coming from that cow. And you put it into your body, it can translate into what you do and how you act. I do believe that. You foresee a time when your generation will emerge as leaders on this issue and that there will be more veganism and that, in fact, the world will turn more to veganism and there'll be less meat out there. And agriculture, especially evolving animals, will change. Do you foresee that? I do. Actually, it's already happening. I mean, you look at research, you look at stats. It's more like double. I think it was like 0.5% or something was the amount of people who were vegan like 30 years ago. Now it's like 2.5. Most of them are women, but you'll see a lot of males that are, I know a personal trainer who's ripped, the guy looks huge, very healthy. He's 100% vegan. So I do see, especially in millennials, that we have more information available. We have more resources. I think we are able to become vegan or at least make better choices about food. I don't think they'll be, I don't think we'll all go vegan, but I think real people are going to start making better choices about what they eat and start to reduce how much meat they have in their diet. You may be giving too much credit to people. I mean, there are people out there that smoke. If they smoke, they're not going to care too much about being vegan. They deny climate change. They're not going to care too much about the environmental things that you care about. If they like coal, they're not going to be into environmental issues. And so the government has to be sometimes, for some people, maybe for a lot of people, the government has to set the standard. Otherwise, people will fall back on bad habits. And I think that's just the reality of it in this country and everywhere. That's unfortunate. So it is unfortunate. So then there has been regulation about pure foods. There has been regulation about labeling. There's been regulation about the way supermarkets organize their content, merchandise. And certainly, there's a new wind blowing with Amazon Go, if you know what I'm saying. But my question is, should the government get involved? Should the government put a tax on beef? Like on carbon? Should the government get involved and try to redirect the way people think and make choices? Wouldn't that be a constructive thing for the government to do things to incentivize good eating, affirmatively incentivize veganism? Wouldn't that be a good thing? I think it would be 100% a good thing. Getting it done would be difficult because meat industry provides so much money to the economy really, right? We're so dependent on meat. I don't think they want us to get away from meat. I don't think they want us to get away from milk. Because we're- There's a meat lobby? Yeah. And there's a milk lobby, too. I don't see it happening, to be honest. I think it's going to be very difficult to pass, unless us people start to not speak up but make better choices. And as consumers, reduce how much money we're putting into meat, how much money we're putting into fast food, how much money we're putting into dairy. If each of us make that choice, then you're going to see a compound effect of more people reducing how much meat they have. And then the economy or the meat industry is going to realize there's not much demand for meat. Therefore, we don't have to put as much money into it. We don't have to put as much marketing into it. And then you'll see a change of people. That's what I project. And that's what I think would be the best. It starts from making the best choice as a consumer today on your next meal. Yeah. Well, by the way- I hope it comes soon. Yeah. I was at the grocery store. I look at spam just out of curiosity. Spam. Spam. If you look at the ingredients, the first ingredient is mechanically separated chicken. That's the first ingredient in spam. And that's what we- Most of spam is mechanically processed chicken. Most are- Well, I mean- When you say first, you mean it's the largest single ingredient. Well, I think there's poor ingredients, but the first one is mechanically separated chicken. So think about that. You're literally a machine is separating the chicken and putting it into a can, which goes down on the truck to the grocery store, which goes onto the wasabi's or what do they call the- What's the- Wasumi's- Wasabi's, right? Spam- Spam wasumi's or some 7-11 has a- Yeah, okay. Anyway- I think it was right there. You know, it's a popular food in Hawaii. Almost every kid has a spam- Musubi. Musubi, right? Spam musubi. And so that goes back to the fact that as consumers, we're choosing to buy that, you know? As parents, they're choosing to buy that. And they may not even know that. Are you offended by the notion that the chicken is being mechanically pulled apart? I'm afraid, yeah. It's disturbing to think about that, you know? But we're still buying it. It's a humane society kind of approach, yeah. Yeah, it's like- At which point is that acceptable? Why is it acceptable to separate a chicken, for God's sake, you know, from a machine? So that disturbs me. We don't see that firsthand. We just see a nice red can with meat or spam, and we're like, that's really good. I'm going to put it on my rice, you know, and on my sandwich. So for all of me- And if you take that view and see all the meat that way, it's not terribly appealing, because you have to imagine how they got it out of the cow, or the chicken, or the fish, you know? Yeah. Okay, well, thank you very much. That was a very interesting discussion. I'm glad to have met you on the field- On the camera. No, the field of food. Thank you. The food chain for millennials with Nico Vargas. Thanks very much. Thank you guys. Thank you for being here.