 It's a nigga big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, huh. Name another. Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique hustle. It's your boy, E-C-E-O, and I'm here with the lovely official Mr. Mako. Well, go on, you know. What's going on? I'm a dad, nothing. Say, man, another dollar. Another day, another dollar. Yeah. Another dime. I don't know we got to get that money, though. Bill's got to be paying. Another dime, but we didn't do the crime. Hey, oh, you rapping now? Check it, man. We got a real special guest here today, y'all, man. Yo, man, thank y'all for tuning in to Boss Talk 101. We hear a man with, you know, I love music. So every genre of music, man. So, hey, man, I don't know whether to say a Southern soul or blues. I don't listen to it. But whatever it is, it sounds good, all right? Say, man, L.J. Elkers is in the building, man. What's going on, brother? Man, you got it going on. No, no, no, no, man. It's you, baby, hey, man. It's your world. I'm just living in it, man. Man, you got it going on. Same, man, hey. You should read Ross in the back of that hat. Say, man, I got it from you. Man, I know the quality of what you do, man. Thank you, man. And that's something that jumped out to me. Soon as I looked at what you had going, it was like, man, this dude, man, this stuff looking great, man. Thank you, man. So I know you put a lot into it. Now, who directing this thing, man? Well, I got a little friend of mine. She, you know, hit me out on anything. That's what's up, man. If I had to do it, it'd be messed up, man. Okay, we're gonna start off right, man. So, hey, man, I know I looked up, man, I seen Mississippi on your arm. I was like, that was Mississippi, man. So you from Mississippi? Man, born and raised and homegrown. It's all in my blood. Same, man. It's all, matter of fact, I got some of my boots right now, hold on. I didn't wear some belts, man. So I said, hey, so, I know what you got. He from, what, Bassfield? Is that what it's called? Bassfield? Bassfield, a little small country town. Is it small? No real life. Wow. Stop signs. How many people? I don't know, I said about 100. 100? No, I ain't a hundred. I don't know, probably, I don't know, I'm guessing 2,000, 2,000, 3,000, 2,000, maybe? What was it like growing up in a small country town like that? Especially when I think about Mississippi, because we've driven through Mississippi, and for me, who not from here, but then when he be driving through, he's like, okay, we can't stop right here. We gotta keep going, we gotta keep going. We can't do this, we can't do that. They gave him laws, man. So, I'm like. Can you have a flat tire? Man. So, I wanna know what was it like for you growing up there? I mean, it was good, it was like normal, because that's all like, new down there. It was just normal, it was like, pretty much boring, you know what I'm saying? It's very different from down here. Down in my little country town, there's not too many places to go. You know what I'm saying? Unless we go away to Hattiesburg, Mississippi. But man, they shit you down around nine o'clock. They make you go to bed around there, around that time, you know? So if you don't get no groceries before nine, 10 o'clock, that's a wrap. I totally understand, because when people hear that, I'm from Jamaica, they're like, oh, it's bad in Jamaica. Oh, it is? It'll be shit. Oh, it is? Oh, it is? I heard that. Somebody told me they be balling down there. I don't know what's going on. Oh, no, no, no, they got the Kingston, New Kingston, it looked like down here when we went over there. Yeah, it looked, you would love it. Yeah, sir, in part, do you have tourist parts? You have the tourist parts. Oh, so all good? Yeah, tourist parts. Yeah, everybody loves to go to Jamaica, to go to the beach and the fish and eat food and play. And when you took me over there, I was like, man, I didn't want to leave, man. Man, man, man. Whole different ball game, man. Well, it's all good, man. Hopefully, I pray one day I'll be heading there through that way one day, you know? Say you will, I don't know, play. Maybe do some show over there after that. No, but if you go, you might not want to come back. No, no, no, you ain't, bro. There's something else going on over there. What? Well. They're going to love you too, man. We got an accent. All right, all right. They's like, oh, one girl told me, she's like, you Americanized bad. Come on, man. Yeah, I said, man, I'm from America. Because we brothers, they don't think, if you don't say, my wife told me to go to the barbershops, don't say nothing, let me pay for it, because if you tell them you're American, you know they're going to up the price. Really? What? Wow. Yeah, they don't play. You don't know the price, you don't know the price, but what's your money? They think we got money, too. What, a hundred dollars? Not, in Jamaican dollars, it would be, what, $800? The price is also like, for one US dollar, it's like $150 to Jamaican dollars. Oh, yeah. So, when somebody say, oh, this costs $10,000, you'd be like, $10,000, what? But it ain't like $10,000, it's like. You got to calculate it. What does a hundred dollars would be? A hundred, what, US? Yeah. It'd be like $150,000. Thousand? Yeah. 15,000. Yeah, 15,000. Long stay in the thousands. Say, I was putting out the American dollars at the strip club. Man, I have a whole bag of them things. Big bag of them things, real, so. Yeah, yeah. I pray one day I go, you know, I always had one to go to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying, like that, but you know. But I said, be my little town, you just, like I said, just be just country, you know? I mean, there ain't nothing to do. So, what age were you when you started singing? I started, well, I started playing about five years old. I was traveling about five years old with a gospel group. Which is your family gospel group? Well, not then, not then, not then, not then, not then. When I was five, it was like a... So you had another group before that? Oh yeah, most definitely, most definitely, most definitely. Wow. Matter of fact, my daddy... I didn't find that on my... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Matter of fact, my dad, he paid a guitar, and like I said, the group called the gospel sensational. You know what I'm saying? So we traveled, like I said, I was small. At five. Five years old, tried. And you were actually in the group? In the group, playing drums. Playing drums. So you started drumming first? So I started drumming first, and eventually later on when I got on a teenager, you know what I'm saying? We got a group called the Echoes family. Right, I saw that. Yeah, mom and dad played guitar, played bass, and some background, played background and drumming background. So is this something that you wanted to do, or is it because it was a family thing? They just like, okay, this is what you're going to do? Well, no, no, it wasn't like that. It was like as I was coming up, I always see my mom singing. I see my dad, I was playing instruments. So all we had wanted to be like them. Okay. So all we had already had in my mind and heart, that I wanted to be. And in your genes. Oh yeah, my genes. You know what I'm saying? That I want to be a professional gospel group. Yeah, not in the R&B, not in the blues, not in the soul, none of that. Right, because that's where it started. And it's so funny because when I'm looking up a lot of whether rappers or singers, it always starts in church. It always starts as a gospel artist first before they branch off into something else. It's so crazy. Most definitely, most definitely. So I mean, I had my mind sought to be just, like I said, a professional gospel. It wasn't no kind of gospel singer or gospel. Gospel singer. What's up? What was your favorite song? You act like you want to sing some gospel. We'll get that popping right now. I'll have my folks. I'll rock. I'll rock. I got you later on. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't even remember the gospel. You was a kid. I know a lot of them. My favorite, my number one. I'ma tie me in with you. Let's go. My tech group is Willie Johnson and a gospel keynote. What they got? Give me a poppy song. They ain't the one that's saying Jesus, what's the one that say, I'm just a nobody. That's the other. That's the William brother. William brother. That's mine right there. Because that's me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A nobody trying to tell everybody about somebody who can say anybody. You can tell me. That's me. No, no, that's me. That's you. Yeah, yeah. I help people, man. I ain't nobody. You know what I'm saying? This is what I do, man. I help people when I can. You know what I'm saying? I ain't the best person in the world, but I be hangin' with them. That's what it is. I get over there, you won't know, I'm even over there. I'll be quiet, man. So, man, what's up with Mississippi, man? Do you know, it's a couple of places down now we're gonna ask you about, man. And I had them wrote them down. I say, I'ma ask that old boy about Clarksdale, Mississippi. Did you ever go down through there? Clarksdale, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a little juke joint over there. Yeah, I've been to Clarksdale. They say you have to go through there. Yo, perform down there? Oh, yeah, many times. I don't know the spot. You talkin' about the juke joint spot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But when I go down, that's like, you know, the center, the division center, so like that, but, you know. You know, he's our second guest from Mississippi. You know that other old boy come through here bag run. Bag run. This is Cedanero. But this house's gonna be blessed, then. Man, Cedanero, man. I'ma show you his shirt. I'ma have to have you the whole one in shirts on, because I be sittin' in pictures, man, because he left a few of them through here for me. What's the name of Cedanero? Bag runner. Cedanero. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That ain't all you see, but you don't know what's wrong. Ah, dude, he told, we talked about it. He told us about Cedanero. And he has a plumbing company down there, too. Yeah, he workin', man. I like it. He was rappin', but he got out of the rap. That's a blessing, though, man. Yeah, man, I love to see youngsters come through. Yeah, I do, too. I'm like, man, come up here and let's do it, dude. And he's like, yeah, man, so. Man, I love just the way the vibe feels, man, with the way, a lot of people don't give us a good rap, you know, but we got brothers and sisters right now doin' real good in America, man. I like it. Yeah, man, man, man, man, just get the head straight, man. And, you know, I always tell my kids, you know what I'm sayin', be a leader, don't be no follower. Ooh, how many kids do you have? I have a, I can't say all that. I mean, be real. It's under five. It's under five. Okay, okay, at least I respect the answer, which I'm glad, because I met a guy who had 13 the other day. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Before I get it in there, I play. I retire, you know what I'm sayin'? I retire, I retire, I retire, I retire no more. Hey, man, I just, just enough, just take care of it when I get old, you know. Already, you got enough of them. Mm-hmm. You dare do it, man, I got, I got, nah, ain't gon' tell him. Nah! So how many instruments can you play? I play bass, guitar, drums, keyboard, lead guitar. Yeah, stuff like that, yeah. But my main instrument is drums and bass guitars. My main instrument, but you know, I have my own studio, I produce my own music. Write my own music and stuff, so. Okay, cool. Had to waste a dime, yeah. Because I know that you were down there for a while doing all, how old were you when you moved up to Dallas? I think I was, I moved to Dallas, I'm sayin', I think I was, I was 20, 20, I don't know, 20 or somethin', 20, 27? 27, 23. So what made you do that move, yes. Well, me and my brother, me and my two brother and my cousin. Cause they were in that group. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And then after that, the group broke up. Yes, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. How did mama handle that? Goin' to mama and daddy and be like, you know what, we can't do this no more. How did that work out? It was, you know, it was all right. You know, they still, they still understood, you know what I'm sayin', because we already done left the gospel, the gospel side, to move to Dallas. Right, right. You know, so we moved to Dallas in 2000. And we moved to Dallas to do like R&B, you know, like a mint condition kind of thing, you know, we played on instruments and stuff like that. But that was the reason we moved. Well, really we had two charts to move to Dallas or move to Atlanta. Right. You know, as us being from the country, we didn't know the difference. We all, I don't think we know Dallas was big, so. So you wanted to go to Dallas? Yeah, go to Dallas, you know what I'm sayin'? So we went to Dallas and. And at that time, have you ever been to Dallas at that time? First time. First time. First time ever been to. Wow. Matter of fact, well, out of Mississippi, we did a gospel show in Chicago. And after that, I ain't never been out of Mississippi until I came to Dallas. Wow. Yeah, most of you know, but just, I've been out in the area Mississippi, but not out of Mississippi. Not even, I don't think I've been to Louisiana. Yeah, I think I've been to Louisiana to come up about a couple of times. That's passin' through. Yeah, pass through, you know, back in Mississippi. But yeah, I mean, you know, we did it for a while, you know what I'm sayin'? And you know, thanks to the electric, you know, thanks when it gets serious. How hard was it to come up here and to start over? It was hard. It was hard. And I said, hard. We came to Dallas in one car. Four of us. Me and my two brothers and my cousins. We came to Dallas up in one car. Four as my mom had to pay our first rent, well, a couple of rents, you know, for a couple of months. And it was hard, it was hard. We all worked at, I never worked at no Tom Thumb. I never heard of Tom Thumb. So Tom Thumb and, no, it was Tom Thumb, it was Abbasin. Abbasin, I never heard of Abbasin. So we worked at Abbasin for a while, then we still couldn't pay the rent. Four of us, you know what I'm sayin'? So it was, it was crazy. It was hard. It was crazy, so we... How long did it take you to get up off your feet? And do they still live here in Dallas? They're just in Dallas. Okay, cause you know, some people be like, man, I don't like it out here. We gotta go back home. No, we ain't nothin' back home. We sure ain't goin' back home. We ain't goin' back home with a... But how long did it take you? To get right? It took us about a good, it took us a while. Man, it took us like almost a year to really get right. I think it was a year, was to get right. But I will never forget when we first moved to Mississippi. I mean, moved to Dallas. At that time, you know, we tried to find out what was the alcohol, the beer ad, and stuff like that. So they said, gotta say make one corner and do that. Man, we got sold a lot. We got lost. We got lost. We didn't know the name of our apartment. We don't name an apartment nothing, so it was crazy. But that's how you discover new places when you get lost. That's the one thing he used to always tell me, cause I used to always say, let's stop over here and ask them how to get to XYZ. He said, no, just ride. That's right, that's how you find our new spots. Let's ride, don't worry about it. Yeah, don't worry about it. We got lost. No, just here in Dallas. Oh, you got lost in Dallas, man. You got lost? It's a big circle. We just moved. Yeah, but it's big circle, ain't it? It's big circle. Now you know how long you been here? I been here since 2000. So you got to my furthest came. Kinda like when we first went to Atlanta. Yeah, so when we first came, when it got nighttime, we didn't go nowhere, when it got dark. Cause I heard you say that basically this was the first place you ever had moved to? Yeah, and you've never been to Dallas before at that time. That was the first time coming to Dallas. And you decided it was gonna move to Dallas? I'm saying move to Dallas. We had shots to move to Dallas or to move to Atlanta. Or to Atlanta. Yeah, Atlanta, so. You didn't move to Atlanta? We didn't do R&B though, like I said, but we didn't know, like I said, it was country. We like, Dallas is big, you know? I love it, you know what I'm saying, man. What I wanted to know is, because looking back at that time, now, you have a lot of people right now who are contemplating moving, or even have moved and having hard times right now. What would you look back on yourself at that time and tell yourself to do differently? People prepare? Even more prepared? Even more prepared, most definitely prepared, you know? But don't get along now, we had a guy that was from Mississippi, there. Okay, so he was living up here for a while? Yes, yes, so he got the apartment for us. For everything else, we had to like pretty much do on our own, you know what I'm saying, but it was me. But you wouldn't change anything for the world? You wouldn't have given up? You wouldn't have given up? No, no, no, no, no. I wouldn't ever give up, no. I wouldn't give up. See, I don't give up, don't give up. What do you feel is the best way to get started coming out of Mississippi if you're a young kid? The best way to get started is to, I don't know, just, just, just, but really, really you gotta have the passion for it, man, you gotta have the heart for it, you just can't just... Everybody can't do what you do, man, don't you? No, no, you gotta have the heart, I mean, you just can't just say what... Everybody can't do what you do, man. Brother, I don't know how you're writing that stuff. Some of the stuff you saying, I don't even know how you come up with it. Yeah, I know what you're writing. Oh, you say some stuff, brother, then you got a little noises in the background. Oh, that's awesome. There's a little noises, little cat noises, and all kinds of stuff. This nigga is creative. If you ever seen a nigga, they got a little cat noise in the back, calling it Perrin, and nigga, you... He's getting cat! He's getting creative, man. So, but I mean, when you first said I was gonna do blues and y'all didn't get into that then, how did you, what, when you transition, what was that about? How did you, you was like, I just, I like that too? No, no, like I said, we was doing R&B. So, as we were doing R&B, I had a blues song, man, I had a blues song, just can't, I wasn't gonna do no blues, you know, I wasn't trying to do no blues, you know? I said, well, I'm gonna get this to a guy by the name of Ricky Blues. Okay. It's called, you know, Michelle Wattie, Well Run Drive, so I wrote it and everything, so I was gonna give it to him. How old was you at turn? Man, I don't even know, man. I was 20, something, yeah, 24, 25, something. So, my brother's name and stuff, they're like, they, you know, they ain't gonna go good on that end. So I said, man, what if I start, I finna start doing blues, you know, so, so them blues. So I just took that song and just forget about getting to Ricky Blues. I care for myself, you know what I'm saying? What was the name of that song? It's called Well Run Drive. Is that the one I listened to? Yeah, I know her. Yeah, the ass girl in my head. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You thought you were the man, baby. Yeah, let's go back. Michael Jackson. Little brother, yeah. So, but yeah, so I mean, you know, that's how I started, you know what I'm saying? So ever since then, I ain't look back, man. I mean, I just grinding, hustling and running out of gas and sleeping in my car and doing stuff for free. Say you've been through a whole lot. It was ridiculous. So, ridiculous. How did you end up down at DJ Ushay's down there? In March. Oh, God, man. You sleep and just try to drive down to it. That's cool dude, man. That's my partner. He cool dude, man. I just was on the phone with him about a few minutes ago. I said, I got to do my checks and check up on this nigga, see what's up with him. He brought the Well Run Drive, yeah. Oh yeah, that's my guy. Yeah, man. He'll be here next Thursday. Oh, really? Yeah man, I ain't playing, look, bro. Man, you don't. I don't want to, I ain't playing. We ain't playing. We really get in there. And I think a lot of people, they're gonna respect us because we coming for us to do something for the city that's where people can see the artist and the development of the artist. And when they get ready to drop something, LJ called and be like, yeah, man, come through, let's do this. So people can see what you're about to do on this project. That's how we doing it. Appreciate it, man. That's the way we came out, man. That's truly a blessing. No, no, that's the way God showed it to us. We got to do it that way. That's called trying to share and give to the community and get it out to the masses. How can you help some people if you ain't putting it out there right? And we set it up in a way to where it's to be respected. For real? I mean, it got to be respected, man. And we kings. Go ahead. And queens. King and queens. So we got to have it right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we love shiny things. I got some man in the shade. You see the neck. Bro, we love shiny things. That's it. Look man, hey man, they dug them up in Egypt, man. And they had gold necklaces on them and their rings and everything. That braces show look good on my own though. That's not playing, man. You know, hey man, you know how it is. You doing it? Hey, that's a brother thing, man. Well, yeah. By the grace of God, man, like I said, I've been, you know, I will have somebody, I will tell somebody, don't get started. You got to be very serious about what you do. You know, it's going to be some people going to tell you, you can't sing, you can't do this, you can't do that. You know, don't worry about that. Just fall off that horse, get back on that horse and keep on riding. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to go through some hard times. Oh yeah, did some people tell you that? Nah, you'll never make it. I mean, some people that you looked up to. They ain't never told me to my face. They ain't never. Okay, but you heard it through the grapevine? Well, I probably felt it. You felt it? Yeah, let me tell you about me. Okay, for instance, just say if I'm way up here. Okay. If I'm way up here, man, just so I got more money than Rick Rawls. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I was still feeling my heart and my mind that I still haven't made it. You know, that's mean. That's going to keep you humble. That's going to keep you humble. That's going to keep you humble. You know, that's how I am. You know what I'm saying? So I don't know why I'm like that. You know what I'm saying? That's the best way to be. Yeah, yeah. I'm just like, man, you know. Not like me, I'm different. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, I'm feeling... I keep feeling like I decided to go up to the top. I'm not going to stay. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, that's a good thing. They don't know. They don't know. My partner, he make these, the big chain game. They light up. I need one of them. I'm going to get you one. Let me see what the other one is. It got lights on this thing, man. I'll be excited about it. And he told us that these lights are recharging. Man, they recharging. They recharging. I come on stage with that thing Sunday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. I call them when we get off. Please, man. All right. Yeah. Man, I come on stage with things Sunday. What? That's the big chain game. Shout out to Dre, man. When you go to our shows and watch it, man. Big chain game on there. Dre. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dre. No, no, no. The big chain game. Big chain game just stepped on the scene. Hey, you know, we be out man or whatever, man. And that boy had about three, four people had that thing on, man. We look like we somebody, baby. They see him, though. They see him, man. Say, man. You can call him soon, man. Everybody say that, though, man. We just have some here. We got to get some over and just keep them here. Call people love them, man. And he has these, oh, he has these new glasses. Yeah, they light up, too. Yeah, like Dre. All right, all right. That brother doing it. I'll show you that. I want to do it. This guy named Big Rob do that stuff. No, no, no. I want to step on Big Rob. But you're going to do the big chain game. Yes, I'm going to do it. Okay, he's a good guy. I'm going to call that boy. He going to love that, ain't he? Man, look at him. Yeah, hit him up. Look at him. I'm going to come on stage Sunday with this thing. Okay. And matter of fact, when I call him, if he tell me, I'm going to give you that one. Please, man. All right, man. Because he's probably going to stay on Facebook. At the Law Blue Festival. Yeah. I'm going to take pictures. All right, all right. I'm going to hit him up. Boy, that's fly, man. But yeah, the big chain game, man. That's my guy, man. He own clubs in the city and stuff. Okay. He a good dude. But him and his wife decided to do those chains. And they just started picking up. And they been doing it all the way. And they been doing good. Yeah, like everybody want them. If he weren't, like you just said, man, give me that chain. Man. Yeah, they like to be flicking. And they going, hey, it's like a deli, baby. Even lights ain't got to come on the stage. No, the lights, the lights. You got them behind your neck a little bit, right? They're turning around. Oh, man, now. Oh, we glistening now. What's up, man? Look at that. I ain't got to say anything. I ain't got to say anything. I ain't got to say nothing. No! No! That's it, baby. I want to tell it. To the man, break down, man. That's all I got to do. He hit me back early in the day, too, boy. That boy, he gonna love that, boy. So you told me about, you said you've been through things. Oh, yeah. Give me an example of, you know, one of the most memorable. As I was grinding. Yeah, the thing that was heart wrenching, the thing that was surprising, the thing that, you know, stuck with you. Stuck with me in the bad way? Mm-hmm. The bad way? Let's start with the bad way first. Well, I said the bad way. And how you overcame it? Well, yeah. Okay, the bad way was when I ran out of gas. Okay. Yeah, ran out of gas. It was cold, like in the cold. I can't think of who I was at. I was coming through Florida. Oh, so you were on the road. Oh, yes. Doing just shows for free. You know, just to get my name. Just to get your name out there. Yeah, my name out there, you know what I'm saying? But I did that for like three years, three to four years, just a freeze to get my name out there. But that was the bad, the bad time, but it made me strong. So you had money on you just had to get to a gas station? Yes, because I had, when I went to the show, I was depended on CD sales. You know what I'm saying? Me to sell CDs, to sell CDs. So at that particular time, the cry there wasn't, it wasn't a big cry. So I didn't sell me any CDs, so I mean, you know, I had to gas, get home back then, you know, it was bad. It was cold, cold, cold, cold, so. So by me overcoming that, just, you know, it just made me stronger. You know what I'm saying? It made me stronger. Make sure you always check that gas station. Most definitely. Most definitely. And not look back at the struggle, you know what I'm saying? Right. But the good part is like, just hearing your music on the radio. That's real, real, real, real. That's fly. Man. The first time you heard your music on the radio? Almost, I thought I had a hold. I thought shot like I had a hold ago. I felt the spirit, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, that was it, you know? I think that's the one thing we do it for. We do it to get, you know, to show that, cause more people, you get to listen to it, the more therapeutic it becomes, the more people it can help. Most definitely. You meet, reaching out, that's the same thing. Anytime you get these mics to going, man, when you get behind these mics, you can change lives. Most definitely, man. And I know that. So that's a powerful thing. Most definitely. I can't see number of the chain, I just bling, bling, bling. Like a stoplight. Look here. Yeah. Yeah, y'all know why I'm here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You see when I think about blues, like I didn't know anything about blues till I came here, cause in Jamaica we don't listen to blues. Just like country, the same thing. So when I came here and I hear blues in country, I'm like, and you really listen to the words, you're like, didn't he just say that? Oh yeah, he said it. Is that what that? You're a kitty, kitty, kitty. Is that what that really mean? Yo, yo, yo. You know what I mean? Most definitely. Even like when he said, you know, eat that pie. And I'm like, what the, what is the pie? Who's the pie? I'm like, is that what he really meant or not? Oh yeah, oh yeah. He's like, he's like, he's like, oh yeah. You know, you have different people that come different ways. And you being a younger brother, usually when the blues singers came out, you would think of somebody that was older. Most definitely. But this brother here, you know, he come cross, man. Like he pretty much can change things for our, you know, our gaps, our gaps. It's gaps in the thing when you look at it. A lot of gaps. Because the young folks, you know, they like, I was them young folks. I remember how they acted. You know, I used to look at my mom and them like they were crazy when they put that, it's 45. Yeah. Yeah. I did a 45, I got a 45 in my studio. No, yeah. I did a 45. I was about six, seven years old. Yeah, you get that 45 and you just set that 45 up on there. You can't pay with both sides. One side, one side, one side. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But when you think about, okay. So you've opened for a lot of popular people. What's up? Like Mel Wader, Sir Charles, Lenny Williams, Roy Ayers. I mean, so many. Out of all the people that you've opened for, is there one act that you're like, oh my God, like, when you're going to get on stage, you're so excited about that one because you looked up to that person or you know what I mean? So. Not really. I ain't trying to say to be cocky. Oh, you don't look up to nobody? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You don't look up to nobody. No, I'm saying that. Excuse me. You don't look up to God? What the hell? You don't look up to God. That's it. Hey, that's the only. Whoa! If he was opening up for God, he would be. That's the only. Oh yeah, jump for joy. Yes. But now, I mean, it's become reason-wide because I always have to come up in the gospel field. You know what I'm saying? It's like nobody would be like, they give me the wrong, I love John and Taylor, I love Tyler on Davis. You know, they bad to the bone. You know what I'm saying? But I wouldn't be like, give me your autograph, let me take a picture with you, you know what I'm saying? Because, like I said, the other day I came up gospel, you know what I'm saying? Like, in about the wheel, like the keynotes, in about that. But like, yeah, give me a picture, you know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, you just look up to them. No, yeah, yeah. I was even thinking, like an autograph or anything. I was thinking, yeah, because he comes with a big act. He or she came with a big act. You know what I mean? So, it's something that you had to, like, really give you all. Well, I do it anyway. In every country. Regardless, yeah. You don't see that nigga backstage when he come on the stage. You didn't see it. Oh, the nigga got it. The nigga stood back there, like Elvis Presley. I ain't gonna lie. I said, look at how that nigga come to the stage. They showed the whole walk around. I said, that nigga going in. So, I like that, man. Yeah, I try to go in every show. When is your next show? Sunday, you say? Sunday. Where at? In LAW, LAW Mississippi. LAW Blues Festival. LAW Mississippi. That's where he from. Yeah, LAW. That's where he from. Oh, is it? Yeah. Yeah, LAW. That's why he from. The boy, I just talked about you. I'm gonna call him. I'm gonna tell him you checked out his shirt. Yeah, man, that's what's up. That means it needs to happen that way. Appreciate it, appreciate it. They be doing pop-up shops and he was like, yeah, yeah. He was like, yeah, man, LAW Mississippi, man. Yeah, that's where that boy was from. He said it. That's where he doing the show at. Oh, yeah, LAW. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. That's hot. So, how big is the population in LAW? You know? Yeah, I don't know. It's a big, pretty big. I know it's gonna be out there Sunday. It's gonna be a whole lot of them out there Sunday. It's gonna go down. So, is that everybody? Like, who all, you know any names outside of yourself that's gonna be there? I think Bob Rush. Bob Rush. Bob Rush. Who is friend? You friends with any blues people? You just don't, you ain't no friend, no blue people. None of the niggas do fly. Yeah, you don't know. Yeah, yeah, get a niggas something to drink cause I'm gonna go in on the map. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm good, I'm good. I don't know. Okay, so who's the, who's the one that you, like, you pick up the phone and freaking like, hey man, what's going on? I don't know. Shoot, man. One of the best fighters. Matter of fact, I was doing them with, I was doing them with male waiters. I was doing them with Marvin Cease. Yeah, I was doing them with Marvin Cease. Marvin Cease is where the candy look. Yeah, I was doing them with the candy look. He was Fort Worth, right? Wasn't he? I don't know. I think he was Fort Worth. I think you gotta lose out on him. You think he was? Let me look that up, man. Let me Google that now. You ain't gonna just get away with that. Man, anybody, I mean like a, what's the name? Lenny Williams, man. Lenny Williams? I call Lenny Williams. He's still around. I call him right now. You know, Lenny Williams. Man, anybody in the soul, anybody in the blue circuit. You rock with him. I'll rock with him. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I want to hear. I'll rock with anybody. I don't care who they are. You know what I'm saying? Long for you good and good people. You good with me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what, that's it. You know, I hated to see Johnny Taylor go, but he worked hard to. Man. That ain't gonna work it, man. Man, let me tell you what. Any man that can feel Sam Cooke's shoe, Johnny got to be bad. Johnny was a bad boy, man. I used to love him. That was the 45. It was yelping with the fangals on him like that. Yeah, they had a bad bottom on him. Oh, yeah, yeah, with stacks. Yeah, that record right there. Stacks, records, yeah. Man. What was that studio that, sir, y'all, I can't thank her, that studio. Oh, man. It's a studio he said that everybody go through. No, he said everybody go through that studio. Oh, yeah, that when you walk in there, you can feel it. You know that vibe. That spirit, it feels so good. And I forgot the name of that damn studio. And it was it in Mississippi, Alabama. It was somewhere down there. Okay. Y'all boys, you know, I ain't gonna lie. I know already. Y'all boys work hard. So what year was that that you decided to step over from R&B and to Goss, I mean, and to lose? Cause you stepped out of Goss, went to R&B, then you went into it. That's right. It was 2004 or five. No, 2004. 2004. So I mean, you did R&B for about four years. You came in here in 2006. That's right. Four years. For a matter of fact, it should be a club called Gold Rush in Dallas. Bob Blueblane came. Oh, yeah? Yeah. So Bob Blueblane, he had two shows, you know what I'm saying? Like I said, we're doing R&B. So we opened up for Bob Blueblane for two shows, man. We thought we was really doing something, you know? But, yeah, you know. I can tell you right now, man. My thing is, when I, I ain't gonna set up in a lie, you know? I had a, I sat back and I said, man, I was sleeping on you. But when I heard your music, it was so soothing, man. Thank you, man. And I told my brother, I said, man, check him out. My brother in the internal station. Come on, man. I said, go check out the dude at LJ Echo. See what he talking about, man. Thank you, man. My brother turned to, they said, man, I don't know who this nigga is, but they've been on since yesterday over here. So you were rocking it, man. We talk about what I'm doing here. And that was something, he was like, man, you gotta get that brother. Like, I was like, man, Jesse sent him to me, man. Thank you, man. Out of nowhere, he's like, man, you the, like, yeah, I wanna do it, man. Cause I wanna hit all junjures of music. And what I don't wanna do, it's so many rappers, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're everywhere, bro. They're flooded, man. They're everywhere. I'm gonna tell you something, too. The reason I chose, which was already doing R&B, I chose the blues at that time, because you didn't have, at that time, you didn't have too many young folks that were trying to do blues. You know what I'm saying? So it was like a different market. So I came really at the right time, you know. So I mean, yeah. No, I think one of the coldest things about you is the fact that, you know, that dang hair could be right. Be right at that. No, man. Who came your damn hair? Then I can't tell y'all that, man. That nigga have an edge up. Do you hear me? Said if I had an edge up, be so crazy. The nigga match, look, when I see the nigga, the nigga remind me of Steve Harvey. That damn hair could be right, boy. That nigga got an edge on him. Man, you're a blazer blazer. Man, I said they gonna cut that nigga. Hey, well, I got you though. I'll hug you. No, my boy good now. He gonna lie, nigga. I will. When I get, when I, you know, yeah, when I, if I tell him I'm going out of town or something, he'll get a little extra dab on there. And then money molded over here. You're cut, dude, my co-host is here. Right at the house, nigga, I take him with me. If I got a own, I got something going on when I leave out town, man. Yeah, nigga, I'm like a celebrity. Don't get it twisted, nigga. Y'all blues singers ain't the only one doing it. No. No, I just, what about, so Lil' Milton. Yeah, I love Lil' Milton. Lil' Milton was cold, man. ZZ Hill didn't even live long, man. What you know about ZZ Hill? Man, listen, he from Marielta, Texas, man. And I'm from down there in Linden. So, yeah, nigga, what, nigga? Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, nobody's ZZ Hill. Yeah, ZZ Hill, to be honest with you, any cheating in the next room? Yeah, Lil' Milton, who else we got? I don't, you never heard McKenna Mitchell, McKenna Mitchell. No, bad, bad. I've been running to the end of a rainbow. Oh yeah, yeah, I know the song. You know the track. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it, that's it, that's it. That's your boy. That's my boy, that's my boy, that's my boy. Let me ask you, man. When you pick up the phone, you say, somebody called you and say, hey man, we got a big show to do, such, such, such. What's the farthest out that you done been? Farthest, do you leave the South? Do you go up the East Coast? What you go, Ohio? We all over. Ohio? Yeah, they call it the Southern Soul. They call it the Southern Soul. I know that's what they call it. I be North, South, East, West. What was the furthest place you done been outside of the South? Man, I don't know, man. DC? Man, not even in DC. I was up there, I went up there about a year ago. Let me see the place that I've been, that was Florida from there. I know I've been to Michigan. You like Michigan? Yeah, I love Michigan. Wayne, North Carolina, West, I've been to. Wayne, North Carolina? I played the performing in California. You did? New York, I do New York, not in the New York. I did California. But you do all over, man. But you like New York? Have you been up there? It's great, it's great, yeah, I love it. It's great, California, good. I like New York, man, but it's just everything's so compact. I don't like small, it gotta be big. I'm from Texas, baby. Or, I like California's nice. Yeah, California's really good. I like the blue, you get a little cool at night. It's real good. And cool at night, get my uncles up there. Yeah, he's got a store downtown. Yeah, it's real good. Yeah, man. Love to travel, it man. What's your, what would you say is your- Favorite city? No, no, biggest thing that you- You gonna give me trust now? No, no, no, I'm for the tip. What was the best place that you, I ain't gonna say the best place that you went in the city, but what was, what was something back in the days that you remember? Did you get a, have you been awarded or anything that you- Back in the day? Yeah. You back in the day, like a whole man- No, no, I'm not back in the day like back in the day. Like when somebody recognized you, you know, in any city. Mississippi recognized you for the blues yet? I know they don't recognize you, they put this work in too long. Man, that's the main, that's the root. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the headquarter. Yeah, so when you go home, everybody- Oh yeah, they love me, man. They love me everywhere, but they love me everywhere, but anyway, but you know, I don't y'all get mad at me, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, they love me everywhere, but Mississippi, man, that's man, that's home. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, but a lot of people really have to move away from home to get respect, you know what I'm saying? Okay. If I was still living home in Mississippi, they probably wouldn't show me no love, they probably wouldn't show me no respect, we're gonna have a lot, we're gonna have haters in the world- Anywhere you go, you know what I'm saying? But it wouldn't be like it is now. So the reason we moved, because there was nothing in Mississippi, what about the Blues Palace? Oh, man, yeah, yeah, that's the message. That's how I spied down some of it, man. How about you frequent that? Oh yeah, most definitely, that's the spot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta get over there, man. I wanted to own them, somebody tell me I need to interview him. Yeah, yeah, all right, yeah, see you coming in the morning. They say I gotta be him, so you gotta link that up for him. Yeah, matter of fact, his son called Fat Daddy, he's same too, though. You need to link me up with him. I'm gonna put that on you. Most definitely, most definitely. Because I wanna- Remember that car, I forget it. I'm gonna remind you, but I gotta get him through here because I'm trying to make sure I recognize all genres of music, man. Most definitely, most definitely. And I know he a pinnacle for that. Most definitely. He does, man, you coming to Dallas, you gotta see him. Most definitely, most definitely. And I'm trying to think, do you remember that club called Booker's around us? You remember around us? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, that was a nice spot, man. So when you came to Dallas, you at your house as big as- Man. You seen the build in the side skyscrapers. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you the day that I saw what, I love Mississippi. I'm gonna tell you the day that I say I ain't gonna move back to Mississippi. When we first moved to Dallas, we had a hood up on our car, right? You know what I'm saying? We had a hood up on our car and we just checking the oil, you know what I'm saying? And the white woman, she had a cane box and a jaguar, like, y'all need some help. Y'all okay? Y'all need some help. We're like, we good, man. Thanks so much, man. We did HL, like, man, that white woman- In Dallas? Yeah, a jaguar, actually y'all need some help. Blonde, lady. Yeah. But we was in character, though. It don't matter, we're just Texas, man. I was like, man, we ain't used to this. I said, man, we ain't from the move back to Mississippi. Are you serious? Man. Man, and I ain't gonna lie. When I go to Mississippi, y'all love the Cowboys, man. No, they love the Cowboys. I'm telling you, I've seen them do it. Yeah, my love- I've seen niggas with shirts on and everything. When they winning, when they start losing, they don't, you know what I'm saying? I just had Jack Taylor here from the, the journalist from the Cowboys. I just had him, man. He not even a fan, he just, he cover him. Oh, really? But he been coverin' him since 97. He might well be a fan, he know every single thing about him. Come on, man. But they pay him for that. What? Yeah. They pay him to know. Wow, wow, wow. But yeah, no. So you, well, who you a fan of? Cause I see you got it. I see, I see you turned to love, you know, Si will about the Cowboys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They love the Cowboys. Who's- Hold on. First of all, when I first moved to Dallas, I was on Cowboy Bang Wank for five years. Okay, what happened? You got tired of losing? No, I kept on getting heart attacks. So I had to leave them alone. They were stressing you out? Man, they were stressing me out like crazy. It was Romo. Wait a minute. Yeah, I put a muggy at Romo. They don't go to the 434th quarter. Turn that damn Tom and Romo. He can talk about football better than anybody, but can't play with them. Can't play. Can't play with them. But he can tell you every score. Every score. Every turn. But you know, but like I said, I'm with Seattle, Seahawks now. That's cause you like that thing, Russell. No, I ain't call Russell, just when I just came on. Cause he was Seattle. I like they style, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, they all right. Kinda go who he was. Yeah. God, the nigga love singing so much. He go, he love the girl. So he say I'm going with the hug. Yeah. So when I see you in them, you know, in the vets, man, you like them vets. Yeah, that fish way, man. I seen you in the video in the vets. You, I seen you. You, you was clean as hell. Yeah, I can, I can open the door now. I couldn't get about that. Listen, man, don't forget to tell on you. That was my thing, man. If you go tell on me. Yes, right. Listen, man, I agree to a hundred percent. You know what I'm saying, man. Hey, man, I felt that. But you know what? I shot that video right there in, in, uh, in the Soto. Yeah, yeah, but I felt it, bro. Did you feel it, man? I said, that nigga sing. And that's what I, that's the one for me right there. I mean, that's, that's, that's real deal. That's the matter of fact. It's a remake. Really? It's a remake. People know that it's a remake of Marvin's, Marvin Cease. Is it? Remake. I don't know. I should have known that. That's a remake. So you like that Marvin Cease, man. What? Man, I said, I got, I got to twist this thing. And you, and you twisted it. I twisted it, man. But it's, it's, man, that's, it got a million, it got a, it got a million views on, by the grace of God. But. Oh, I seen it. When I dropped that dragon, that wagon, May 20th, Joe Poo Lake. Hey. It's gonna go down. It's gonna go down. Man, you know that, man. Hey, listen, man, listen, man, that boy born in South Carolina, Blacksville. Yeah. But I thought he was, I thought he moved to. He was born in Blacksville, South Carolina. And he died in Vicksbury, Mississippi. Yeah, Mississippi. Okay, okay. That boy, that boy had a lot of people in the family too. He had a lot of brothers and sisters. Matter of fact, he was thrown off through the first one. But he was with Jive Rutgers. And that nigga saying, I'm just a ghetto man. Yeah. Boy, that's something that I'm bad. Boy, I like that. He say, I still need beans. Out of a can. Out of a can. No. Yeah. You like doing it. Man, that's a bad song now, man. Oh, man, I love that song, man. I can listen to that album, boy. Hey, I just said to that, man, tonight is a blues night for me. He said, that range, it can't get you. Man, I can't mess with you, man. Listen, tonight, I'm turning blues on, baby. Come on, doc. When I do it, you know what I'm saying? You know, I think about my mom and all of them, man. And you know, even Memphis got a good feel to it. When I go down to Memphis. Oh, like, Memphis, man. Memphis was at night. Oh, man, I love Bill Street when they were poppin'. Memphis was at night. And BB King got a little, the restaurant there. And then Isaac Hayes got in that place. Out of a man. You never been? You just go perform. Go perform. That's crazy. The only thing I've been down in Memphis when I really settle down with that museum, Martin Luther King. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You went to that. Yeah, man. But you ain't never go to the restaurant, BB King restaurant. Strip, I heard about Strip. I like it, man. Them kids be down there too, flippin'. Come on, man. It's real nice for us, man. Hey, kid, it's real. For us, it's nice, man. Oh, really? So, how did you get your style, man? I mean, you dress like a young, young, young dude, man. Where your style come from? You got the damn young. You cut your hair low because you like the young boys, man. You got the young girls. Maybe you got a little younger. You see what I'm not killin', man. We don't want none of that smoke, man. Nah, I can't get that young. Say it, man. Nah, I can't get that young. Now, from your video, I can tell you, I see what you're doing. Well, you know, I have my own style. I have my own style of singing. Yeah. That's why, you know, your wife asks me about who I look up, whatever case may be. There's nobody that I'm really trying to be like. Nobody I'm trying to copy. You're different, bro. You know, like I say, I come from a quartet gospel group. Okay. You know what I'm sayin'? A lot of people ask me why I do, why I be like, you know, I have my own little, you know, little sing-sting, I just feel that, you know what I'm sayin'? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sad town. But I have my own style, man, for dressing. I mean, I don't know, man. I just, you know. You be clean, though. I like your style, man. Thank you, man. I like that, man. Like I said, I love the way that they hit. So who, you be sellin' this shirt? So you just, well, I do my own but do you sell it? Do you sell them? Yeah, yeah, I sell them, I sell them. Okay. But I don't do the print on the set, cause it's too many t-shirts. I gotta get all the t-shirts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Before everything that I wear, I press my own stuff, you know? Yeah, but when, like I said, when you dropping that album or something, we makin', we get us some t-shirts so we can wear them that day and push a show. I just love the support, man. Cause I know if I do somethin' like that, you gonna be like, they're my guys. They'll tell everybody about us, man. Cause we just, we started this thing, man. In January, we started back up. You know, I had, I wanted to do it a year ago. Me and Money Moses, my co-hosts, we went out and I got all my stuff and I was ready to go. Then when COVID hit, I kinda backed up. And then in January, I tell my wife, I'm about to go, I'm about to get in. I say, I'm about to go in because I know that you can't walk in fear forever. No, no, no, no. And you gotta at some point break loose. Most definitely. And at the end of the day believe and have faith that, hey, man, God gonna see me through no matter what, you know what I mean? Oh yeah, man. That's the whole game, man. This little stove been here for 15 years. Man, it's a blessing, man. 15 years. So y'all started back in January, used to work here, the one up there now. So y'all started back in January, first time in January, started back. Back, back, back. Now I had the store by appointment, but man, I ain't gonna lie, man. I had, we had, we had, we done had multiple stores. I don't have up to seven stores. What? Yeah. And, yeah. The same thing or different? Same thing. That's a blessing, man. In different places. I can do it any time. That's what I do. That's a blessing, man. But after all that rent was being paid. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a lot of rent that died. It wasn't worth it. It's like, what am I doing? It's a lot of rent. It's just sitting around. That's it. I just had to start back up when I feel, you know, when I feel like the time is right. Most definitely. Yeah. Cause you could see, you know, when it's somebody, when God tells you no, see. They got what? You didn't hear me. They got that what? See, God will tell you no. They got what? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you can be told no. But we don't like to hear that part. Man, I'm gonna take some. Nobody talks about that part. No. Cause they don't want, oh man, he gonna bless me. Yeah. You know I'm telling the truth. Oh yeah, most definitely. He gonna bless me. He gonna bless me. What about when he say no? That's what it is. Yeah. You got to live with that. Yeah, live with that. Man, it's a lot of time. I just be, matter of fact, before I came here, it's a lot of time, man. I just be in my own zone. I just, out the blue, just said, thank you, Jesus. I just, just thanking them, man. Yeah. When I'm, when I'm not, when I ain't going, when things good, I thank them. You know what I'm saying? When things bad, I thank them. Thank you. No, you know, but, That's real. That's good. Oh yeah, most definitely. Like I said, this is what I do is a job. Yeah. I listen to gospel 24-7, seven days a week. That's all I listen to right now, gospel. That's, that's, that's it right there. You know, but like I said, when I hit the stage, doing what I'm doing, it's, it's, it's, it's a job. Yeah. Yeah. But I can tell you. Gospel puts you in the right mood. Like whenever you have a good vibe, I do. She listen to it a lot now. I'm so happy about it, man. Because whenever you, Because whenever you, in a good place. When you in a good, in a good place. No, but when you in, because we fight demons every day. Yes, yes, yes. And something about just hearing that gospel music, when they saying certain things that they talking to you. Oh yes. And it puts you in that good spirit. Oh yes. Oh yes. And don't be by a lake now, listen to that. Oh, man. That's a rap. Man. You might jump in that Joe King swim. Man. Ha, ha, ha. Listen, man. Love to, to, to, to. Like I said, I got my times. I listen to that rap. I got my times. I listen to that blues. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I listen to that blues all day. You vice versa. Yeah. I turn around and flip. I might do some rap, but I don't do a lot of hardcore rap like I used to. I just keep it real simple. Man, I'm still, I'm still on DJ quick and. Yeah. He on the ball right there. Pimp C. Yeah, yeah. Man, don't say that. Don't say that. That boy said Pimp C. Let's go back. Let's go back. Boy, look at that flashback. Don't ever throw back. Don't do that, man. Don't do that, man. You can't do Pimp C. Don't do that, man. Don't do that, brother. That was my time. Whoa. He is right there. Yeah. I got him on the wall. Hey, man. You ain't name none that I don't. I rock with him, boy. I done been, hey, I love him, man. I tell you what, that song, How low can you go? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like a Pimp C kind of feel. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I restarted Bumb B. You know, I said Bumb B. Look, man, you spew that thing on the remix. He ain't hit me back yet though, but I got somebody gonna rip it out. Really? That's good. It got a soul blue, old rap, Pimp C kind of feel on that. How low can you go? I think, I don't think Bumb been, I don't think Bumb's been doing much enough. I seen his pain. He been teaching at the college, trying to help the kids. What? Yeah, he a professor. Man, it's a blessing, man. Yeah. That's just like, what's the name? David Ballant? David Ballant going around there. Yeah, yeah, he's strict about it. I think when you've been doing this so long, you're supposed to try to figure out how to give back. Yes. And that's what it is. If you're not trying to give back, and you're just sitting down and just chilling, you know. But a lot of people don't think them. I'll count people don't, I'll count people don't think like that. No, no, they don't. But we gotta be, we gotta go first. There's so many kids out there who are suffering. Yeah. And don't know how to be led. That's right, that's true. Don't know which way to go. That's really tough. They're picking the wrong ways to, you know, gun violence and all this other stuff, and you know, drugs and everything else. They being followed, they ain't being a leader. That's it. You know, they just lack of somebody wanting to jump off the building. Oh, I wanna jump off the building, too. But because they may not have had a positive male role model in their life. True that, I understand, yeah. That's real tough. Well, you don't wanna go there, you know, basically, you know, the male, I mean the women that ran them off. Not in all cases. Okay. Not in all cases. I feel a little bit of... I mean, I just think of the others. You know what I mean? Some cases that made us all, you pregnant, deuces. We gone. That's after she done throw the pot and pan in grid tally. Yeah, yeah. Too late, too late. The lady ain't coming back. I think it's just a, I think, no, I think it's a lot of stuff to go, and I don't wanna go into this too much, but a lot of it don't have nothing to do with the now as much as it has to do with what happened back then. I ain't gonna go into it much, but a lot of time when you don't get therapy and these mothers and fathers have been split like they was back in the day, you know, back in the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, most definitely. That split continues to happen over and over again until somebody get a sense to say I wanna change the whole dynamic and I'm gonna change it for our generations going forward. That's when you see the change. Yeah. It take a man, a strong man and a strong woman to make that kind of change happen. I believe that true, true. Is that real? That's real, we'll talk. I'm gonna ask you a question. Go ahead, I'm dead. Do you think that if rap, I gotta get some rap, cause let's rap it. No, no, no, let's go with it. Do you think if rap wasn't here, do you think more people be still alive? I don't wanna say, I wanna say you know, let me say this right here. I'm gonna take it, I'm gonna take it tough for you. Go ahead, take it. I said, I can say the thing I can say to you is Marvin Gaye daddy killed him. Yeah. Listen, there was many times, my uncle got killed back in the days. My daddy got shot in the same, in the head in the same place. This was before rap. We would, my people come on, my dad had nine brothers and five sisters. And just on a real, on a whole nother level, they were getting down back then. Back then, okay. You know what I'm saying? On some shooting dice or whatever. Yeah, most definitely. See, one thing you gotta realize is, I think we're still fighting the same devil. I don't think, and I believe like King Solomon said, there's nothing new under the sun. So when I look at rap music, I just look at the fact of, I think killings was gonna happen anyway. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, it's true. Okay. But don't say the old rap. Listen, we're gonna say the new rap. When they talking about guns and getting the bag and how you gonna get a bag and you gonna shot somebody in prison? I think, I think it's, it's definitely. They don't go together. They don't go together. But I remember before rap come out, people with partners old time would pay Russian roulette. Okay. Yeah. All I'm saying is, I'm just, and I'm being the devil's advocate. I'm just flipping it from this side. Yes, yes, yes. So, cause I gotta, you gotta realize people in Jamaica was killing people back before rap. That's right. Matter of fact, they brought rap out. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is the only time, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I always say Jamaicans bring our rap out. He was like, hold on, hold on. But what if it's in a negative when he come throw it up in my face? Let's talk about, oh, yeah, they brought rap out. So, and you look at what, and I can see why it would be getting our young people killed since it came from Jamaica. Whatever, whatever, whatever. Because they definitely get that one. Whatever. I guess y'all young people are so easily influenced. Well, I wouldn't call it easily the way y'all get down. It can be quite strenuous. But no, I think that's a good question, L.J. I really think that, I think you gotta look at it from a whole, I agree that it's more aggressive because of the way electronics feel, you know, the different things. I just know that you just, you can't just put, rap, young folks on a whole doing things different because of the way the electronic world is going too. Yeah, it's different, man. So you got the electronic world and you got the rap music. But you also have entrepreneurship that come through that music. Well, let me rewind it back. I ain't gonna be talking about rap music. I'm talking about, well, rap music, but not rap music. Yeah, you talking about rap music. But it's like the new kind. It's like, it's like, it's like, you know, you give every rap song out now. It's all about shooting and making money. Is it every rap song? And calling chicks, you know. Yeah. Every one of them? Damn, man. How many? How many? From scale one to ten. And ten is a... This year, is any one of them just popping? Nine. What you say? He's about eight or nine of them. Eight or nine. So that's how I eat it. It's hot. It's hot. But how do we bridge the gap? It's hot. You can't eat it. It's too late. How long people coming out and like rapping positivity? Rapping change. Oh, yeah. You have to be tired of the way how things are. Okay, and the only way they're gonna happen, if somebody, if a main artist. Main artist. Come out with it. And then nobody has to start it. They are starting doing it. But they don't know what they're about to do. That's, you kinda saying the same. It's kinda like on the same narrative that Charleston White talked about when he was on here. That he's against rap. And he's against rap, man. Yeah, yeah, no, he is. He don't like it because a lot of it get to... He talk about it in a way to where it really makes sense to me that it yields something that penetrates our children and our youth. And it's a way to where the youngsters feel like they gotta do it. Well, blues make you kill, too. Think about your ex. You ain't gotta tell me. You ain't gotta tell me. Blues can do it, too, though. Think about your ex. I already know. If she done you and hurt child support, you wanna kill her. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you call them cheating and all that, yeah. All that, it's your country. Are you killing somebody, too? Country is the same thing. So, I mean, and another thing you gotta realize, too, when you talk about rapping the way that you just did and they talk about guns, they talk about guns on movies and everything else and show your visuals on them and all type of stuff. It's guns, bagging, calling chicks, you know. Them three. They got none of them. Take them three out, what do they have? Sex. Wait, wait, wait. Four. They all got six. You're sitting up from Jamaica, she gonna say that. Aw, man. Take the four out, what they got? There's nothing. What do y'all got? In the blues. Whole lot. Like what? Like what? Uh. She did wrong. She did me wrong. Okay. She didn't hold on. She didn't kiss me last night. What's this sex, though? Can you say that kiss? You know, it's a whole lot of blues. Let's talk about a lot of sex. A lot. Well, yeah, you're right, yeah. A lot of cheating. A lot of cheating, too. A lot of cheating, you know. Top three artists of all times, dead or alive. In the blues? In the blues. It could be any genre. Dead or alive. Any genre. Top three artists, your top three artists of all time. John Taylor. That's the number one. Tyrone Davis. Tyrone Davis number, that Tyrone is bad. John. Johnny Taylor is number one. I like that. Tyrone Davis and Tyrone, they say, I don't know who she going to see next, though, but I wish it was me, love. I wish it was, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum. I call you every day. Dum, dum, dum, dum, dum. Boy, look here. Boy, that's a good time, man. Three. John Taylor, Tyrone Davis. Damn. That third one. That third one, I always get that. It'd be starving. Always. Jesus is here. I mean, I'm sorry. I said Jesus is here. That probably should be three. He didn't have a, just catalog wasn't deep enough. But yeah, he had his own style, too. But his catalog wasn't all, no. It wasn't deep enough. No, no, no, no, deep. Okay, okay. John Taylor, Tyrone Davis. Tyrone Davis, a bad boy. Bad dude. I love Johnny Taylor. Damn. Tyrone Davis, Johnny Taylor. Who could be the third? You know that one he did, he didn't know. He did, he did it. Check it out. He done that. He got a lot of hits, man. He changed that song. Cause somebody else did that first. Then he came back and did a disco lady. Disco boom, boom, boom. Oh, that's a bad. He done that thing. He's done it the best though. I don't know if he done it first or the other guy done it, but I know it was two versions. You know what, when he did that, I think he did that song. It was like a Crossover. Oh, it was. It was exactly like, exactly what it was. Crossover. And I think he did, he did it all Soul Train. That was a bad boy right there. But you got me, you got me thinking like crazy. No, you know, what about Clarence Brown? Can I call her? I think it was Clarence Brown. You, it was a song that say, Oh, they know three. He ain't no one don't know what to say. He's the bad. Huh? He say, help the rain to keep on fire. Believe me and my woman alone. That's a, he say. It could be a female. Help the mule to pull the wagon. It's an old song. It ain't no. I tell you what, we won't get too mad. Oh, the women. No, no, no, no. It's just top three. This is the top three of all time. I need one more. A female too? It don't matter who. Anybody, any genre, any, any. It don't matter who. What matter? You know how to talk to a gospel man. No, no, no. You can put a gospel in there. You listen to the gospel all day. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, John Taylor. Okay. Tyrone Davis. Okay. My y'all sure will be stomping on that third one, boy. Y'all niggas, posting on music. I mean, you in the music. You listen to it every day. You listen to the gospel all day long. Okay, well, give me my number three. Damn, man, that's crazy. Boy, I tell you, these boys sure, I love these boys to stomp on that number three. Hold on, I can't say, I can say Denise LaSalle. Okay, that's what you wanna say? But I don't, I don't, I don't, she there. She, she, she, she, she, she, she, she bad, she at them three now. I can't say she third one. No, it's my third one. Yeah, what about Ben Ray? No, it's my female. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What about Ben Ray? What about Denise LaSalle? Oh, okay. He said female. He said... Ben Ray, you want it. Girl, listen, bed right man. You remember the song that... Man, bed right bad. Come on, man. Just can't keep still. I did, I did. Listen, man, I hear your car door slamming. So you don't know nothing about that. I don't care about y'all being in the same room. I felt that. Let me think, man. Yeah, yeah. He can't get that number. He may have to come back to that. What? No, he better give me that number three. No, no, I need three, cause y'all got me thinking how I want. Maybe just a plastic cup. Yeah, probably, yeah. That's what you got, that's what got you thinkin'. I'll give you a shot of what it mean to be like. Give me one, give it to me. Now, it's LJ Eccles. All right, man, that's it, baby. That's what you're goin' with, I like it. I like it, that's the big man. That's gonna be with my man, I'll, I'm gonna say it, I'm gonna say it. And then KLC said that the other day, KLC, he wouldn't even say, he had a list, he had already wrote out. He had it in his phone. In his car, you know what I can just do with that. Before we even asked the question, he'd been thinkin' about this stuff. He already knew his stuff. But I don't see if he hadn't watched the show or nothin', but he been tryin' to figure out who is top audience. I can name a lot of them. Yeah, that's bad. But you're top, you're top. But the top three is crazy. It's crazy, ain't it? It's crazy, man. I can name a lot of them, it's great. It's good, that's fantastic. LJ Eccles, baby. I'll say LJ Eccles number one. Oh, oh, oh! Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Say, man, so I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, we gon' ask one more thing. I have, I have some questions I wanna ask. Okay, well you was over here and I was waitin' on you to say something. Go ahead. No, because goin' back to the music, I love the fact that you came up with the Mississippi Throwback for Mississippi. Oh, darn, you went way, oh yeah, same place. I love that, cause I like dance songs. And I can't even dance, but I like dance songs. So you get out there. Hey, look, we get out there. I act like a king, I can't dance either. Oh, so, so, so I can't ask you how you do, what's the dance? Mississippi Throwback? Yeah, show me the dance. There it is, there it is. There it is, that's it, man. Hey! Oh! Oh! Ah! Ah, that's it, you get down! I can do that, now, that's it. Mississippi Throwback. Come on! Hey, there it is. Go through the Mississippi Throwback. That's it! Hey! There it is, say it, man. I love that. Thank you, thank you so much. Man, he had some songs, he had one that was called Santa Stole My Womb. Santa? Ooh! Stole My Womb. That's what I get doing, man! Santa? Ooh! Stole My Honey. Ooh! How's everybody going to eat? Never thought, mm-mm, never thought, in a million years. Ooh! That's Santa? Ooh! Stole My Womb. Boy, look out now! Hey, man, boy, you took me there. Oh, man. I might be coming to Mississippi. Where did you get the inspiration for that song? I might be coming to Mississippi now. Well, they just came to me. Say, love, man. I'll just come to you. Just come to you. But it's crazy the way how he put them words. Listen, man, I might be down in Mississippi, man. I don't know. Come on, now! When is next Sunday or this Sunday? Yeah, they just come Sunday. I'm right with y'all. Laura, Mississippi, come on. Nah! We got room. We got room, doc! Hey, if we got room, then we're pushing the trailer. That's right! I said in the back, baby. I'm done, doc! I got you, man, I got you. And you know what? The other song that he did from the back, he had gotten nominated for an award for that one. Really? For my first hit. Wow. Do you want me to hear it from the back? Girl, do you want me to lay up in it from the back? That boy, that hell boy. Girl, I like getting in and hitting it from the back. All right, man, that's all right, doc, man. That was so crazy. Say, man, thank you, man. But you know what? What's that? I like the swingas only. Oh, she went back to the hell. Ooh, she went back, man. I went back because I've read somewhere. You know what? Mel Waders. I was about to say, and Sir Charles, it said it helped you with those. Sir Charles, yeah. Charles done something on the same album. Right, on those two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I asked him about you. I showed him this. He said you were good. I think he was good. He said he was good. Yeah, he was good. I had an S-curry, I was skinning it. Yeah, yeah, you had the little S-curry. Broke, you know. All your back, you messed up on the shirt, doc. Pillows, doc, pillows. Yeah, yeah, yeah, pillows and shirts. Out of those two, out of the, I'm gone party and swingers, I love swingers more. Yeah, this song goes out to the swing. Cause that one made me wanna get up and dance. Mel Waders, yeah, Mel Waders. That one made me swingers. Ba dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That one makes you get up and dance. Oh, yeah. I like that one. Yeah, swingas only. Thank you, man. Hey, man, we appreciate you for coming on the show, man. Thank you for having me. And guess what? Whenever you have something, a project. One more question, babe. No, because I know this on your YouTube. Okay. You have two different YouTubes. Yes. And I was like, on the one of Vivo, you only have like, what, five or six videos. But on the other one, you have like a lot of, cause old school. That's right. But you had a couple of videos on that one too. What's the reason why you having it too? And are you, yes you are. But I was gonna ask, are you going back and redoing any, or doing any videos for some of them old ones? Yes, most definitely. But you are, which is that one you mentioned. Dragging that wagon. Yes. Is there any other ones? I'm gonna do dragging that wagon. I may do good old motor. Okay. Good motor. Cause you gotta bring them up to the new. Yeah, yes, yes, yes. Cause at the time I was broke, now I got money. Y'all right, they fuckin' got money. Say look at that nigga got money, y'all. When y'all see the nigga live it, and nigga got money. Nah, I'll live it. You know he got some big out there going on. But I'm gonna respect and get though. But the reason I got the Vivo channel, cause I just make suggest I, a while ago I just got known to Vivo. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, that's why Vivo got its own followings and channel, you know what I'm saying? Cause I always wonder about that with the music. Why the Vivo compared to like a regular, how do you get the Vivo? Cause I always look at people with it. Well Vivo, you get paid off Vivo. When you get paid off Vivo. You get paid on YouTube. You get paid more on Vivo? No, I don't know about them. I don't know about that. Well I think it's just hustling, man. You just want, he know. Okay, now I'm talking, I guess coming up. He know. He runnin' and runnin' and runnin' and runnin' away. Yeah, yeah, he know. Yeah, yeah, but the thing I say, man, is we appreciate you, man. I'm gonna try to break this down again. Thank you, man. And we appreciate you. And we definitely wanna take, you know, every opportunity to try to get with you whenever you got something going. Like I said, get my shirts back through here. The day when y'all, when you come out with something big, we gon' come out with I.L.J. Uncle shirts on, supporting. And that's what we wanna do. That's what this platform for. I'm gonna get you small, but exceed them traps. Oh yeah, I'm about to work, you see. I see that meat now. Yeah, I'm feelin' a goldie in here. Oh, not a much, y'all. Well look, why we mad? This is a challenge. I'm challenging a, let me see who I can challenge. What nigga, I challenge. I challenge Money Moses, my co-host, man. If he can, if he can gain weight. If he can gain weight and get up, I can lose weight and get down. Oh, look at him. Yeah, that's a challenge, man. Money Moses, man. I can't wait, y'all, no. Look at him. Look at him. Check it, man, so, hey, man, that's another segment of Boss Talk 101. Thank you, man. Okay, and we out. Thank y'all so much.