 Welcome to the After Hours podcast, hosted by Harry Haas and James Friedlender, presented by My Investing Club. What's going on guys? We're back with another episode of the After Hours podcast. Today we have a little bit different of a setup. We got two of the young guns kind of in the NMIC. There's a whole group of them, the next gen traders, and they have kind of taken it all by storm. Everybody's really impressed with how much work they're putting in, the progress we're seeing. I mean, they have been here now for at least a year each, right? Maybe even a little bit more or something in NMIC. Eight months, yeah, close to that, good. So it's cool to see the progression from you guys. You know, you had different trading styles and like kind of you guys are all seem to be finding your niche now really, really making the next step. So I commend you guys and like I said, I know everybody's really proud of you. So thank you for coming back on and we'll kind of get into it. So last week, what is it? The last week of January or something like that, we had an MIC meetup in California and all of them went. It was really cool. They rented an Airbnb, had like a fun time and I'll let them tell you about that. But you know, Xander, if you want to start off, kind of give us some stuff that you learned at the meetup or even talk about it in general, talk about meeting up with your tabs and everything in real life and kind of give us a little bit of a lowdown. Yeah, so first thing I want to say is like with anything in life, you know, anything that is secluded from like actual interaction with people, it's very real experience once you actually get to like meet people in that community. So anything where you get to go actually meet them, you just have a whole different outlook on things. So after going to the meetup and actually meeting other traders, I realized it just like makes the entire thing real because we're so stuck to the computers. So it doesn't feel real until you really meet everyone. And just talking to everyone that I've already talked to like on Slack and stuff, it's been really insane. Just actually getting to learn from them, like learning all the different styles especially because everyone trades a different way. And that's the really cool thing about it. Yeah, I feel like that's cool when you meet people who kind of like do similar trading styles to like your niche as well. Because and it's just like anything, right? Like, I mean, if you work for a company or you work for whatever, like, you know, when you're going into the office every day, like you also have that kind of like camaraderie and support from like your coworkers as well. And like, that's why like people without tabs, like you don't realize how much you need like a buddy to number one, keep you accountable, but also number two, keep you like sane as you're going along this journey because like it's not the easiest thing in the world. Let me tell you that. So it's good to have like a group of guys with the same kind of goals and vision that can kind of keep you motivated and like, you know, they can help you out. That's kind of why I don't like love this like work from home like COVID idea because I feel like you need to have like a tab group and especially meeting them in person is like really cool because it gives you, it's also like a healthy competition. Like you have people pushing you to go forward like farther, like one thing around here. So I live in Boston and on, he lives a town over from me and he's another moderator in the MIC chat and he's just awesome. And I met him in person and he helped push me to like kind of like advance more and like give me like, I don't know, it's just, it's weird sometimes hearing it online is great but like seeing these people in person to help kind of reiterate that in your mind is pretty cool. So I think it's awesome. You guys, you guys rented an Airbnb, right? It like stayed together. Yeah. And that's another thing. Meeting all my close friends that I've known for like over a year now was really cool because it kind of showed me what is going to happen in the future more often. Like traveling, traveling and meeting all of them in a new location. Like I haven't really been in the heart of LA very much and like being there with my friends was really cool is like a new experience. And it's really motivating and inspiring because I'm going to be able to do that very, like a lot more frequently in the future. You guys are young. So it's like, you guys kind of haven't really gotten experience like that much travel on your own, I'm guessing because of COVID. I mean, before COVID that I was traveling all the time. Like I went to Europe for like two weeks and it's like, now it's like, I want to go do that. So I can go see Tom, see Bear and I'm going to Canada to see Harry. It's like, now I can't even fucking really do that. So that's cool. James and I actually don't, oh, keep going Sam. No, I was just going to say at the end of this summer Xander and I will be headed out of country for like the first time to answer to me, Steven for an MIC meetup out in Amsterdam. Oh, sure. That's fucking sick. It's all starting this year. Bro, you guys should not go to Amsterdam. What the, what month are you guys thinking of doing it? I don't think he's given an official month. He just said the end of this summer, he's going to set it up. Because me and my girlfriend, like we're like seriously looking about like getting out of Canada and just like traveling for the summer. Cause like, I mean, I've been stuck, man. I have been stuck. Like if you guys know about any of the shit that's been going on, like I've just been stuck. So super excited to kind of leave. And I think we want to go to Europe, like into like France and like just travel around. I don't really want to have like a plan set. I just want to travel around. And James and me actually don't live that far. No, like Canada, Canada is like even new. I know I'm in Boston, but Canada to New York is like what? Like a couple, like an hour, two hour flight area. Oh yeah, but even drive, bro. Like even if I go down, it's only eight hour drive. Oh, it's not that far. I know. So I'm excited for this year. I'm glad we kind of started off like this and hopefully have more meetups. Like, I mean, the New York meetup like two years ago before COVID was amazing. Like we've had some fun ones. So I'm glad you guys had a lot of fun and got to actually interact with each other. What kind of things did you pull from it? So like, cause obviously being around people who make, I mean, Alex Bow, like those guys are obviously seven, eight figure traders. And what being around them, like what did you pull from it? Did you guys learn anything that took, you took immediately into your own trading or anything like that? I think for me, it was the simplicity of it. Where like, obviously, you know, like Xander was saying, you see everybody online and it's hard to see it as like real life, you know? Everybody's on a screen, even trading. You're pushing buttons. You're, you know, it's almost seems like a video game sometimes. And so meeting everybody in real life that made it real. It was like, oh shoot, like this is a real thing. This is a real job. This is a real career. And the thing that I just was just amazing is you're sitting there with talking with Alex, talking with Bow, even the other traders, Stephen. And it's just like, it's so simple. Like when there's no secret sauce, a confu panda, you know, it's like the secret is that there is no secret, right? Yeah. So it's like when meeting everybody and talking, it's like, they're saying the same things that they have always said in the webinars, on the videos and chat. Like there is no secret sauce that you learn when you're with them. It's so simple. It's exactly what they've been teaching. But it's like when you're meeting them in person, it kind of takes the overthinking out of it. You're just in a face-to-face conversation. You're talking stocks. And it's just like, oh, that really is it. Like that's how to do it, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think we always look at these people like, especially when you're like new into it, you look at people who have made it as like wizards. You're like, these people that aren't even real. Like, because honestly, we are in a industry of kind of like frauds and like furus and like people who just like, they say, oh, trading is easy. And it's like, you see it and it's like hard to even believe it yourself. And once you kind of meet these people in real life and like hear it, like, I remember the first time I like met up with Alex and I was like, oh, it's just like a normal fucking dude. Like he's not like, he's not Jeff Bezos. No, he's not like the Warren Buffett. He's just his normal ass dude. He's just like trading like normal. And it's like, I feel like you guys have kind of progressed into that stage now where like, you realize there is no, there's no like magic eight ball that's telling anyone that when to go short, when to cover and all that shit. It's just process driven. It's like a simplistic process. And Xander, I know you've really progressed that way cause I can see it in your charts. Like I know before you were much more like sporadic and now you kind of have a set process in a set style of trading that you were just sticking to and it works well for you. Yeah. Yeah. And talking to Tyler at the event was especially good cause yeah, for everyone who doesn't know I trade all the faders now. And there's not that many like good, all the faders out there because it's a hard strategy to do because you have to be willing with drawdown. You have to be disciplined to stick to a system. And so talking to Tyler there and making a good connection with him was really awesome because there's not many faders out there. So, and he was there and it was, yeah, that was a great connection to make. So it's all about networking and make connections. Like I know Sam talked a lot to Steven and that's a future connection that's going to pay off in the long run too. Yeah, Sam, are you doing the faders or like what have you been kind of working on? Hell yeah. You know what I'm saying? No, so. It seems like I blew up, I don't know. No, so I'm actually kind of like transitioning a little bit after some conversations with Steven and you know, Nellie two-way trader. I've been hitting outer lines just like the outer lines of a move which has not been much in January. Nothing's getting back there. And if it does, it squeezes. And then covering it like, I don't fade it but I do wait for strong support. So like low a day or really, really key pre-market. But you know, the thing that I realized was, you know, you're just spending so much of your time just sitting and waiting, which is good when your system isn't there, wait for your edge. But watching like, you know, Steven and two-way and obviously James, you bow everybody. Instead of being, it's funny, there can be almost a thing of being too disciplined where you're not taking trades, you know? And that's almost an excuse that I've used for fear of taking losses. It's like, no, I won't take any trade. I won't take any trade except for right here because I'm afraid of anything else I'm gonna take a loss for it. But that probably means I'm sized too strong or my stop is too tight, you know? And so I'm actually allowing myself over the next couple of months creating a little bit more flexibility. So instead of just hitting a really strict outer line, I'm hitting like the outer area. So Steven talked about it, there are entry zones and there's cover zones, right? And I'm really focusing on hitting the just entry zones. I'm going back into the 10% size, you know, scaling 30% size and adding to my winners, which is very, very hard for a newer trader or even, you know, an amateur trader or intermediate because that is all about experience, you know? That's the discretionary side of trading. You've got to have insane discipline. You can't let your emotions get the best of you because you have to stay above all of that to be able to play the chart, you know? But hitting outer areas. That's tough because when you're trying to like add on confirmation and stuff, like I have a good friend who's learning the trade as well and he kind of fell into this trap of like having some bad days because he kept trying to add on confirmation. But like realistically when you're new, sometimes it's too hard to like, you don't have the screen time or like you don't know the nuances yet. Like now it's like after years of doing this, like I remember when I was kind of where you were and thinking like, I don't know what the confirmation is. I don't know when to add and all that shit. Like, and now like honest to God, like what I always recommend people is like, you're always better off like adding later than sooner and like just moving your wrist down, which helps a ton. Like everyone always just freaks out because they add on confirmation. And then it's almost like a mental thing. It's like the second you add, you don't want to stop out because now you're like, fuck, I finally just added. Like now I don't want to stop out. And it's like, I think something that's really helped my trading and like something maybe would help you. I don't know. It's just, again, I like adding a little later than too soon. Like I'm fine like living with a starter and then adding and moving my wrist down rather than being like, fuck, I need to get it all in right now and like have my wrist because like sometimes it's hard to identify a risk off the line in the moment sometimes. You know, like when things are like popping and all that stuff. And what you said about like zones too, huge thing I've used is the volume profile. Like it's not for everybody. It's kind of like, I know you use it as well I think but you know, it gives you an idea of where to get in and get out because like that was at all time. It's not a science. There is no exact formula to getting in and getting out or like where to stop out and all that realistically. And you can really tell a lot by just volume and kind of like on the chart. So, but it's cool that you guys have, I like that you guys are tabs and you both have your own style. So how do you guys work together with that? Like how do you help each other? Cause like all day faders versus like what Sam's doing and then versus what twins I'm sure are doing like all very different, right? So like how do you guys work together? And like, what do you do? Yeah, so the main thing isn't so much in the strategy but instead like keeping me with it because as you guys know, I switch like systems I switch strategies like every week and I'm one of those people. And so I do have the discipline to last a couple of weeks but already I've been like, ah, should I be discretionary trading? Cause I feel like it would be better performing in this market, but Sam keeps me on the all day faders. He keeps me like, I know that I know what I need to be doing but I have the desire to be profitable now and not taking the long-term success route which I know all day faders will because it's a system and it just fits my personality and Sam just reminds me of that every day. And so that's really the main thing that's going on right now. But yeah. Yeah, I wanna take it back on that because to me like tabs and tabs groups like sure it's great to share your charts and it's great to have people to go over technical analysis with or to watch videos with or to get advice from but like you have mentors for that, right? You've got moderators and really experienced traders who can actually analyze your charts give you really, really good advice but to me having a tab and a tab group it's about more of the psychology of trading. Like Xander said, keeping each other accountable, keeping each other focused on what we're supposed to be not deviating from our process or from the way we're supposed to trade. And the biggest thing for me with Xander and my tab group is like after a day, if I take a loss or something I was a couple of days ago I texted Xander I'm like, bro, I'm gonna need that tab call tonight like I just need a tab call tonight and we'll just get on call, we'll talk about the day we'll share our charts and we'll just sit and just kind of blow steam, you know? And whatever it is, it usually ends in like this amazing rant that leads to this breakthrough, you know? But it's like having a tab is about having somebody there to bounce things off of your emotions and your day, not as much like here's my chart analyze it for me and give me advice, you know? You gotta have that balance. Yeah, I like that. And I think also like I just never got to really chime in about like your strategy on the other lines. If I were you, I would probably like, I mean I would try and play something kind of like similar to like the way Xander kind of does it where like Xander like, like he has like his initial entries and he kind of adds to his winner. If you, I'm gonna say probably like nine out of 10 stocks by the time they get to the top of that range in this market and the current conditions we're in right now, like almost always like clear out and then go lower, right? Almost always 100 fucking percent. I'm literally a long trader. Austin and I have been dealing with this for a while. I don't know why. And so if you kind of just slowly kind of scale in with not that much size just so you can be comfortable enough size so you're watching the ticker and enough size that you're in but I don't have size that you're sweating. But then once we stuff or we get that kind of like Did the clear out? That yeah, yeah, then you can just start if you can really hammer size on those pops and then kind of wait for it to get to the bottom and when it's that kind of that mid to like bottom of the range like that kind of like, I guess like lower third of the range. That's when you can kind of look at covering and kind of when it gets like under view app and we get lower to that bottom support that's when you can kind of look at covering. I think the key really is with stuff like that is that you have to say like am I anticipating, right? So like what part of this trade is my anticipation and what part of this trade is my confirmation? And you can feel it when you're right when you're like, damn, I nailed that, like that's sick. And then you look at your size and you're like, fuck, but I didn't get enough size. Well, now that you're saying I nailed that you can add anywhere on the chart. It doesn't necessarily have to be a fucking pop. You can just slam the bid. You're right, you are right. You have a set risk. Average doesn't matter now, right? So when, once you get that confirmation just take like maybe like half your full size just add it in and you're like, all right, confirmed. I'll wait for a pop, but like it doesn't matter, right? Cause you are confirmed. Your thesis is right. The market has shown you that you're right. So therefore just click the button, slam the fucking bid and maybe add some more into a pop. And then, you know, you have a decent average. That is what I would be doing. Because if you look at my longs, like for me I've been doing like a lot of like multi-day setups and these things in the morning are dead, right? They are dead. So if I'm looking at a stock, what for me would be the confirmation for me to want to start getting in? And then what would be the confirmation for me to kind of start adding size? And for me, the number one confirmation is number one looking at the lines and looking at the resistance and support. So, but it's a little bit, it's got to be a bit more than the resistance and support because if you're just saying, oh, it bounced off this line and there's no volume or you're going to be shit out of luck when the shift tax, you know, 30 cents lower, right? But for me, it's been the volume coming into the stock that has been my initial kind of entry signal. And then when the stock starts ripping, I'm adding and then I'm selling a bit higher and I know I'm confirmed and I know I'm right. So you can really do the opposite of that shorting where as you're saying to yourself, okay, we're getting the volume, you can do the exact opposite and say we're getting the volume into this move. So a few confirmation signals would be the volume starting to die out once we've kind of cleared over that high and that class that, you know, we rip over high days stuff and it doesn't necessarily have to be two or three cents over high day. You can give it 10, you know, 15 cents add up into those kind of zones. You're confirmed. I mean, if I were you, I'd be just slamming the fucking bid. Don't wait for a fucking pop. Get half that size or you're gonna hear froze first. And, you know, stick to that. When you're right, I think that that's a big thing. Like a lot of traders, they get full size and then they're like, they're still guessing, right? You shouldn't need to guess. You should be like, I'm right. I know I'm right. Boom, full size. I'm fucking it, right? Harry, that is 100% my struggle in January because like I said, I was just hitting those outer lines. I hit, you know, pretty much full size because it was the outermost line. So what else is there to scale into? And then I just got cleared out, cleared out, cleared out, cleared out. And it was so frustrating. So January was like a hard month. And then that's when, you know, I've adjusted to be like, okay, I need to smaller size hit the outer areas. And then like you said, add once it confirms and that usually means add after the clear out. You know, it's so true. And shout out to two way trader for some really amazing mentorship that he's been giving to Xander and I recently. He's awesome. He's really great. But like this was the perfect example of what you're talking about, Harry. We're like pre-market. It was, I think like a 220 was the high. Market opened, it popped up to 215, went back down, squeezed up to 230s, cleared out the pre-market high day, cleared out the high day. And then at 230, it had like seven red candles and just completely faded back down to like, I don't know, like 210 or something. And then I hit it on the bounce back up to 220 and you know, wrote it back down, but two way nailed that with adding to the clear out, you know? He's a good trader, man. He really is. And he's progressed a lot too. And he's actually been on the podcast too. So you guys can listen to that. But there's some like a small piece of advice for right now for this is for everybody. It's just, dude, this market we're in right now and it's February 4th, 2022. The market sucks right now. I honestly like, I don't think it's favorable for short, longs. I mean, obviously not for longs at all. But I mean, even short, so it's just, we are not range bound. So like right now, if you're trying to trade a system or a process or whatever, like this is a terrible time. And it's a shitty time to do it because unfortunately, like, you know, we're not getting enough sample sizes and things to even test our strategies and like, like trade the way we should. Like there hasn't really been opportunity. Like I feel like I've been like so bored for like two months. And so it's important that you guys are like sticking with like, I just made a video last night about like just sticking with like your same process and like what you're doing. Like I like that you guys are like, you figured out what you're doing, what you're good at and like basically like through any market. Like, because I honestly think if you can survive in this market without like bleeding your accounts to zero, I think that's like a massive win because this is fucking shit. This is a shit market, dude. It's awful. And I think, Xander, I had a question for you is that, I get DMs all the time people ask me like what kind of trading style they should do? Like how do they know what their style is? So how did you come to find that? Like doing the all day faders for you was your trading style because it's not an easy thing to figure out. The main thing is the rich reward. Cause with scalp, like I'm a huge overthinker and I always overthought the rich reward with a scalping and not like the scalping you might think but like even just, you know, shorting VWAP covering nail and bailing. That just didn't, that didn't resonate with me. And because of the rich reward, I was getting about like 0.5 reward toward risk. And my win rate was pretty like, and I know I would be profitable with that style if I kept going at it, but it just didn't fit my style. And I've also known I'm always like a numbers person. So I have, you know, I track stuff on Excel. And I just liked the idea of having a black and white system to follow. So I don't have to do much thinking when it comes to market. Most of the stuff comes pre-market after hours where I'm developing and refining my system. I mean, I just felt it when I started. So I tried it all. And then I just felt with the system, it worked best with me. I like that. I like that. I think it's hard to figure out. So Sam, what are you, same with you? How did you find your style? What makes you comfortable and how did you know? Well, you know what's really funny? Xander and I actually had this conversation like three nights ago as I was kind of talking about what I'm kind of switching up and everything. And really quick, something James is like, when the market is hard, a lot of people are going to go and try every other style that they possibly can. You know, they're going to try longing when it's a bull market and they're going to go short when it's a bear. And the thing is like with me, I noticed that my strategy was having a hard time in this market, but I didn't throw it all out the door and like restart and try chasing something different. I just made small adjustments to my trading. I like it. Thizing smaller before, like Harry said, before the clear out. So when the market's hard and your strategy's hard, don't throw it all away and go chasing something else. Just make adjustments and just tweak it. You know what I'm saying? But for me, it's really about your personality. It's so true. Like there's so many different strategies that you've got to find out what works for you. And I was just talking with Xander and the thing is with my personality, my hardest thing in trading has always been confidence, having confidence in my trading. I don't know why it was just, it's just whatever. And so what I found is that when I was waiting for risk and reward setups, that was very difficult for me because I was taking a loss after a loss after a loss. Sure, the wind would cover them, but it was just really hard for me mentally because I'm just taking losses. And I realized that with the MIC process and with maybe hitting, kind of taking wins and locking in gains and adding and whatnot, you're getting these adrenaline jumps that are thrown at you. These just like kind of dopamine rushes. As you're locking in gains and you're taking wins and every day you're taking these small wins that add up. And so I just realized that for me, obviously still hitting the outer lines areas, but switching back to the win rate and locking in the gains every single day was just way healthier for me mentally. No, I enjoy trading more that way. I'm in the matrix that way. I have to go to the gym afterwards because I'm so like hype, you know? And so it's just knowing your weaknesses and knowing your strengths. And I'm very, very disciplined. So discretionary trading I can do because I don't get wrapped up in the emotions of the trade. I enjoy it and I love it, but I don't get wrapped up in the emotion. So I'm not adding lows and slamming size. Like I'm very disciplined. So I can, that's my strength with discretionary. But then knowing my weakness and knowing that I need that win rate to kind of keep me going every single day. Yeah, I like that. I think if you look at the kind of market as a whole, I know I mentioned this on the podcast a lot. It's really about just like driving liquidity, right? Like for example, like where are, you know, where are longs looking to chase, right? Well, high a day is a good spot for longs to chase because they're thinking, we're going to get that rain to break out. All shorts are stuck, right? They, you know, they press the buy button and most people in the market are long. I'd say maybe like 20, well, not necessarily now in small caps because we do have a lot of people shorting but when you like on Twitter and stuff like that, you see a lot of people shorting but I'd say the majority of like dumb people, dumb money coming into the market is longing. So, you know, where are they looking to buy, right? Top of the range, usually they've missed the move. They wish they bought the dip. That's where they're buying because they're thinking all shorts are stuck or whatever they think, I don't even know. And, you know, they end up getting stuffed on and they're like, well, what'd I do wrong, right? It's the same thing with the view app replaying setup. Like how many times do we have to get over view app and come back down and get over view app and come back down to get over view app before finally we get that move, right? And it's all just driving liquidity. The first three times we go over view app, it's all those long chasers, right? So it's like, I'm a bigger player. I'm gonna be like, oh, I'll just put the stock over view app a little bit, I'll sell to these fuckers and then I'll rip it back down. And then, you know, it's the same process over and over again, the same thing with the lows when you're a long trader, right? Like, you know, if I was, you know, I'm an impulator or a big player, well, I'd make sure to stop them all out before I can run it again because, you know, it's hard to run a stock when you have a bunch of bag holders, right? So it's all a liquidity driven game. And I think if you can use that to your advantage and say to yourself, like, okay, like I'm using the outer lines because I'm relying on this kind of nine times out of 10 liquidity driven game. And I'm gonna say to myself, well, I'm just going to add in smaller over that high day and then really add into that confirmation. And then that's where you, I think, will find really a lot of success. And I think as far as the adding to a confirmation, like don't make it difficult on yourself and don't make it hard on yourself. You, like when you're sitting there and you're watching the tape and you, you know, whatever the fuck Sam does, his eyes are on the screen and he's looking at it. And you know, you see that stuff moving, you're like, shit, man, that's crazy. Just start fucking slamming, you know? Just slamming, you're fucking right. You know, you have added into the confirmation you've been patient, it's shown you what it wants to do. How many times do you see the stock go over high day, absolute big slam candle and the shit comes back? Almost never because you've seen the agenda now, but the reason why no one adds is because they're like, oh, well, I missed it, right? I missed it. And that's the problem. So don't get to, everyone's like short, short the pop, short the pop, which I do understand, I completely guess that, but someone who's just shorting out of lines, the best ones, and I got this from I mean a lot, you know, he was like, the best faders really don't pop. You know, they just keep fucking going. And it's the same with the best longs too. The best longs are not gonna give you a good entry to get in, right? They're gonna keep going and going and going because it's relying on those chasers to really drive the move higher, right? And so, yeah, like the best shorts are not going to have a big, big, big pop, right? Everyone who's trapped on the long side is just selling. They don't even care if they get a pop. They're just fucking selling, selling, selling. And that really drives it lower. So I think like if I was you, like I'd just be like, okay, you know, smaller size, smaller size, smaller size, smaller size. Start selling, add, and then just let it ride for a little bit, wait for your kind of cover zones and then that's it. Yeah, it's so true. And what you said with like trading the liquidity, like to me, obviously liquidity, volume, and liquidity and volume equals to me a motion, right? Like that is the emotion of the traders who are on the stock with you. And so that's why like as a short seller, I wanna trade where the highest emotion is. I wanna trade where the longs are greedy and the shorts are pissing their pants, you know? And so it's like, you've gotta be above all of those things in order to take advantage of it. Like with the high day clear out, your average short seller, especially after 2020 and 2021, there's so many noobs who are in, you know, the market and trading now that there's so much emotion. There's so much new emotion. And so it's like with the high day clear out, that's where short sellers are going like, oh crap, I need to get out. And that's where the experienced short seller, the person who's above those emotions, they should be going, this is perfect. This is exactly what I wanna see, you know? Yeah, yeah, 100%. I think that that, yeah, that's definitely true, you know? Just really, I think that is probably the most important part is just like adding when you know you're right. And I mean, that's really trading. And trading is really just knowing, just like having an idea. And like this can come in with the system too, because if you look at everyone, everyone has their own process, which is really just technically boils down to a system. I mean, whatever you wanna call it, process system, you know, whatever. But I think that, you know, a lot of it is just saying like, okay, this is my thesis on the day. This is what I think is going to happen. And then I'm gonna add small size into the idea and then I'm really going to hammer it when it's confirmed. And if you can do that, that's how you get full size on. That's how you have the confidence to keep going forward. That's how you really, really, really can take these little cuts, but it's not costing you money because it's small enough size that you can take it over and over and over again. And when you are right, you have big enough size to cover the paper cuts and, you know, buy yourself a nice dinner later on in the day, right? So that's really the key to this, I think, you know? I mean, like trading is not fucking easy. I mean, as you guys know, it's like I like interviewing you guys too, because it's like we had you both on previously. And I think it's like, you guys are now like in this long enough to understand like trading stocks. Like it is a hard job. Like there's a lot to it. And like, so I'm really, I really am happy that you guys at least have each other to like bounce off of and like grow with because if you're in this for the long haul, like you'll drive yourself nuts. Like, again, once you think you've figured it all out, then something will sock you in the face. Just to remind you, like, you're not perfect. We're all not perfect. And just like I said, man, just keep surviving this market, get through this. I get on trader calls with members all the time that are just struggling. And it's like, it's like guys, like right now it's like, this is like a hands off market. Like it's like, if a trade doesn't present itself, we're just not trading. We're just chilling and just kind of relaxing. And I think you guys are doing a great job. And Xander, I really do commend you for at least sticking to it. Cause like I said, during right now, all day faders fucking suck. And they just really stood to stop, right? You're just not getting that fall through that you're looking for. So mentally, it's impressive that you can stick to it. So I'm really happy for you. Maybe if you have a Xander for that, because that's his biggest weakness is changing cycles and processes. And so the fact that he's like found his trading strategy and he's been sticking with that. And I'll keep making sure he sticks with that. But obviously, if he's aiming on him, that's a big thing for him. And so it's really, really good. And I'm glad people are like starting to make memes about me being an ADF and then this podcast. I think that's the picture of this podcast. Yeah, bro, because you know, if you switch that, you're still gonna be getting so fucked out. You're fucked now. It kind of makes me identify with that. I'm an all day fader. Like now I can't change. That's fucking awesome. Dude, you guys are psychopaths. I think it's a psychopathic strategy. I think it's awesome. It is. It's funny, but we are coming up, I mean, we're at like 30, 40 minutes, but I guess before we go, both of you guys, you have any last minute advice for new members of people potentially joining? Xander? I would say be patient because ever since I started, I've been like trying to rush to find the thing that's gonna be the most profitable, the quickest. Oh my God. Sorry, so for the listeners, somebody posted a meme in main chat of James and it's not enough to smile. Oh my gosh. But yeah, so I mean, the main thing is just to be patient, give it time to find your style, because I'm always in a rush to find what's gonna be most profitable. But if I really slowed down and stuck to one thing, I would have been profitable a lot longer ago. Like I would have been profitable in 2021. So just be patient. And if you feel you have a style, stick with it. Like set a three month, four month rule where you stick with it, you grind every day to refine that. And I think you'll be profitable with that as long as you stick with it. Yeah, yeah. And I wanna tie it back in with the meetup and everything, 2021 was the hardest year of my life. Learning how to trade and figuring this out, the mental battles that you go through and the discipline that it requires and the blood, sweat and tears. I mean, days where you're just in your room crying where you wanna punch a wall where it's just not working. Obviously I have personal things that went on this year that were extremely difficult. And it's just, it can't be matched and it can't be underrated how important it is to have a freaking community around you. Like having your tab group and Xander, if it wasn't for Xander and my tab group I would not still be trading. I don't need to have any self pride about it. I would not still be here. But it's like the community of MIC is so valuable, especially for people who are more emotional like me. You have to have people around you. And when I was at the meetup, it was just like, these are real people. I mean, we're talking about football and I won't make a lot of money. I was swiping so much on Tinder and I don't even know I'm gonna go out on a date. It's like. That's just real. Natasha. Yes. Natasha is like a fidget spinner and he just like spins it and puts it on Tinder and he's just like, yes. Oh yeah. But it's just like, it's real people. And after the meetup, having conversations with Steven it made me feel a part of a community. It made me feel not crazy. And after such a crazy year, that's so valuable. So find your community. And for me, I think for almost anybody, it's gonna be MIC. But it's like, find your community and that will keep you going on the really, really hard days. Love that. I feel like we should just cut it right there.