 Asians like fair skin to texture right, but that's not that's not because they want to be white Europeans I don't want to be the white skin. I want to have the milk a skin put the Hokkaido I want the Hokkaido milk cream look David the sun shining on me. I don't want to get tan right has Intra family colorism played a role in your life this new study from London is causing people to talk about it Yeah, this is going viral in several circles on the internet right now Andrew It is a study from the King's College in London where it said Asians with darker skin tones are more likely to experience bias Even from within their own families Somebody said within families children with light skin will often favored while those with dark skin was stigmatized and subjected to insults and bullying Oh, so guys. Yeah, I mean this is a tough topic to talk about but hopefully I think by us having a discussion Maybe you take something away from it and maybe it helps you think about it because again I know skin color skin tone colorism racism whatever that says There's all these different dynamics that are going on in the world And I would say that this study although is not shocking to a lot of people it kind of confirms what people already believe So make sure you like subscribe turn in your notifications We're gonna try our best to give a very good analysis of productive conversation Like I said, these things are difficult to talk about it. It included a quote Andrew from a 31 year old Pakistani woman who said Her mom would say how much how come your sister is so much lighter than you how come you're so much darker than your sister, huh? You didn't wash properly Yeah, I first of all, I think any family that does this to their kids is wrong and I think it's toxic But I do think I guess the study it only pulled 33 people and then most of them were South Asians So I think maybe the dynamics in within South Indians or Indian Sorry is a little bit different than like even other Asians But I don't want to say it doesn't happen amongst other Asians I think that that's why it went so viral is they'll even though that the sample size was just 33 people I guess the findings like you said they go along with what people already believed to be true But I will say this I think it varies a lot family to family right and they're what are the factors that impacted? I mean family to family what? Kind of how class is is that family even the world that that family Operates in or the jobs or the careers and the community that that family's in your mom is like Michelle Yo's character in CRA. I'm not saying Michelle. Yo herself personally. I mean she was probably colorist She they didn't bring it up in the movie But I would assume a mom that's like that is somebody says also matters what subculture and worlds you operate in right for sure It matters and ultimately your mileage may vary Like we said Andrew me and you personally within our own family even though there are different shades Even our parents are different shades of colors. There was not this dynamic. No Yeah, they didn't talk about at home like even if we got tan We were out doing yard work with our dad mom never complained. Oh, why are you guys getting so dark? You need to put on sunscreen. No, she was weird just rocked the tan line So I think shout out to our parents and shout out to any parents out there who? Never judged people outwardly on that type of thing and I think that's very important It does trickle down to the kid But even though we did not have it within our nuclear family unit And or did we observe it within any sort of systems that we were raised in sure You know, I mean on church on Sundays We would go to church and that would be a lot of different types of Chinese people and Chinese people if you guys know even though Most people think they're just like one thing. It's 1.4 billion people. So there actually is a gigantic Special right off the bat. Listen the southern Chinese generally a little bit more tan Then the northern Chinese are the time when these people at our church growing up, right? And there was a girl who was half Chinese and half Filipino But she was raised our mom that was in the Chinese side and um, I we all everybody at church like you thought she was cute Yeah, everybody thought she was good looking Yeah, but I noticed some of the more traditional minded East Asian guys did not like her because of colorism or The feature set or the skin tone Obviously, we were hanging out with a lot of Vietnamese Filipino Cambodian people We're gonna hot import nights looking at different looks and stuff like that But for some people they were not open-minded. Look, they only wanted JAA not well I was gonna say Jav but I was like saying for sure Jav Jpop anime looks now that girl look like a ABG That's what I grew up being attracted to but yeah I do want to talk about before we get into the comment section is like that how colorism in a homogenous East Asian Society like Korea or China or Japan it is different even though there is a skin tone thing there going on It's different than in the colonized countries like possibly like India the Philippines and obviously Latin America It is it is actually they've actually have a aristocratic class that is right And I want to make that distinction and we're gonna dive into it, but still colorism nonetheless But I think the reasonings are very different. Um, so also I remember Andrew It depends on what worlds you're in because I remember when we were break dancing when we were of hip-hop choreo If you're in basketball battle rap more like I guess urban hip-hop subcultures I would say being a light-skinned Chinky Asian was not good. Oh, you could argue that it was like I remember some of the Filipino girls They're like a little chinky for me to look No, no, no, I mean definitely in those worlds being kind of like a lighter-skinned East Asian person It was not helping you. Yeah, so it matters But of course everybody's going off a societal macro almost like ancient thing right now Let's get into the comments section Andrew. Somebody said it seems that way everywhere in the world It's not just their sample size. It's this exists in many different regions Even in Europe the Scandinavians and Anglo-Saxons are viewed differently than the Iberian Peninsula Mediterranean whites Yeah, I mean I guess even within white people they kind of do Discriminate against ginger's red heads, right like a little bit even that's inter UK. Yeah, that's in that's intro white guys And also I do want to note that yeah Most people agree that colorism is the most extreme in places that were colonized By Europeans, but that are not natively European, right? I think that if you've come from a colonized place I understand there's different levels of colonization It would be more of a Western style of colorism where like we said there's still colorism in a place like South Korea, right? But it's not the same type of color Somebody said this is another internet comment. Hey guys, don't over read in the skin color skin color may be a factor into Lookism within certain places, but there's a lot of other stuff that you're not considering whether it's religion income class education class Ancient tribal rankings of where you fit in a dynastic or imperial Like King's system. Yeah, I mean a lot of people like to point out Oh of white guys a millionaire and a black guys a millionaire then you know color isn't gonna matter race isn't gonna matter to them Yeah, I mean I do think it's also an economic class thing, you know like and if you are coming from a Comparable class and even if you're a little tanner skin, I don't think people even think about it But I think it varies I think some places they would go off the color of the skin and other places They would go off the other stats those parts We call racist So how different is it like in the places that have been colonized for example? Everybody points out Latin America the most there was a ton of anecdotes in the comment section from Latin America But to a lesser extent the Philippines and even to a lesser extent India Yeah I mean I think that those places of course because they have like a whole class of person that is part European and Generally that class of people is considered higher class or richer or they happen to be richer or their lineages richer Whatever they dominate economics or politics or media or whatever Well, because if they're the colonizers if they're at all a blood Descendant of the colonizers and they usually are put in a better position to see more elevated pedestal immediately right whether whether just off look or maybe even their family dynamics are more Powerful, but I think it is important to note that let's just use like China for example that colorism in China Is not based off of like colonization from Europeans, right? And a lot of people like to point out like oh Asians like fair skin to Asians like fair skin to look at the k-pop stars like very Milky's snowy texture right, but that's not that's not because they want to be white Europeans So that's why I would say it's not so much a whiter skin thing It's a lighter skin thing, but it's not because they want to be European They just like that soft milky snowy white skin with the dark black hair and that may have been related to working in the fields Or the type of Industries and jobs that were available even just like a hundred years ago like obviously jobs in the past 50 60 70 years I've dramatically changed me since a hundred years ago Think about the makeup that like gaseous wear or like the Chinese opera wears like when they put on the white face They're not trying to play Europeans. They're just saying like You know this is what a high-class people do they don't stand out in the sun But it gets confusing because when people say white skin They're thinking about like a white Anglo-Saxon European obviously the most dominant group I guess globally your last couple hundred years Whereas really they use milky and snowy a lot. That's those are the words I hear translated Yeah, yeah, I want to I want to have the I don't want to be the white skin I want to have the milky skin put the Hokkaido. I want the Hokkaido milk cream. Look How was it in colonized countries Andrew? There was a lot of comments You know from various platforms talking about I guess Mexico because of Mexico specifically is the easiest use case to see Intra family colorism. I'm not saying all by the way I'm just going off the comment section because 60 percent of Mexico is mixed mestizo But they said about 20 to 30 percent is white European looking in Mexico and 10 percent is very Mayan or Aztec and indigenous looking. I don't know. Maybe there's something that unites Mexicans, man They just they just like to hang out with each other and just chill and crack a beer open So I don't know they must have but I did hear that they do have some discrimination that they have within their world Because if you look at the Mexican entertainment industry, Andrew, it is more of the European looking ones Yeah, for sure for sure and same with the Philippines the Philippines the people who's elevated into media is like Usually a half or a quarter European Yes, uh, but I mean I think that what I think how you have to look at things is How differently are the tanner darker skinned people treated in that country and how many laws We're set up to hold those people back because in America the the racist laws. They're very specific Yeah, because because america's so mixed they had they had all these definitions, right? They put a hard no on certain people So i'm saying I guess in those countries I'd like to know like what the laws were against mixing and and how people are treated obviously I understand that tanner skin people are generally sometimes treated differently Interestingly enough Andrew even historically in america I would say that chinese were got viewed with a no by those laws and japanese were almost like a half. Yes If you look historically guys, I'm not I'm not they have the internment too, but i'm just saying um, as somebody said in mexico they have words such as um Castizo mexicano in the philippines they have a word called mestiza and in india They have anglo-indian and those are to indicate the people who are mixed with yeah I mean you guys know that like within china. We don't really have a term called like anglo-chinese, right? That's not a term we have like Uh, maybe in like I guess maybe hong kong malaysia Singapore a little bit more like hong kong maybe a little bit a little bit, but it's very it's very seldom um Interestingly enough and or people said in europe the scandinavians and the anglos are viewed as more rich and prosperous than Mediterranean europeans. However, especially the Mediterranean men, but even the women are viewed as better looking. Yeah And I thought this one uh comment was really interesting said yeah, it's a proven fact No way. So why why do light-skinned people want to get tan though? And why do they age so badly? Yeah, I do think it's interesting. I guess that's like a stylistic people want things that they don't have Right, or they they're like Oh, like let's just say there's a uh, it's like so weird to say this But like yeah, let's just say there's an anglo-saxon person, but they're like they're like what am I missing? I have the rich and the prosperous face, but they don't look cool I don't look I can look like I can salsa very well where that's where I wish I had the look of an Italian man Yeah, I mean I would say with some white people are so pale. They just look cold Right. They just look like they're talking about the chase buddinger where they got the blonde eyebrow Yeah, they they literally do it look like they've been in an ice bath like since they were born Somebody said of course it's different family to family But growing up my grandma always said these mean colorist things to me because I was darker than my brother's sisters and cousins And then people had all the the the the examples, you know, what's funny and this is kind of messed up though I think a lot of moms in some side about the mom side of the family is always the most like black pill Like about like look lookism Yeah, like the dads don't really care because dads are just like, I don't know just do good work And just be a man and just be productive. I don't want to think about this cosmetic stuff But then women generally think about cosmetics more and they're well, I think to be honest in global society anywhere Women's like looks is I guess impacts their life more than the looks of a man. I guess that makes sense Yeah, um, somebody said is this why Asian girls like Mary and white guys so much? I don't know. I don't know. Yeah Somebody said well to be honest in the future environments that are probably likely to occur on earth Melanin will be a huge advantage to prevent cancer also in space exploration And because it also has more elasticity scientifically speaking Hey, that's a case for the tanner skin darker skin Um, this these are more personal comments. Like I said, we cannot get to all of them guys Like I said, do not get offended. These are not my comments. I'm just analyzing other people's comments Somebody said I'm Cantonese. I was speaking kanto to another kanto lady and she said I don't look kanto I took it as a compliment. Hmm interesting, right? This has to let's be honest, Andrew If we're gonna get deep cut here It has to do with like how different groups and this is sort of an interfamily thing But it's just a larger dynamic different groups view themselves with different self images, right? Yeah So for example, like I noticed my korean friends where like there's three siblings and one of them doesn't look korean That person feels bad, right? Because they're like, oh, I don't look korean because the koreans are uh They're like have that image of being good looking right whereas this guy's saying Oh, I'm kanto, but I got identified as not kanto and that made me maybe feel like oh, maybe I look korean You know what's messed up is like a lot of people don't even feel like certain groups of people can have good looking people Because they feel like oh, well if you're good looking from that group, you must be something else I hate that. Yeah, I just honestly it sometimes happens for kanto people Um, I'd say this does it does it remind you of an irish guy. He's still proud of being irish. He likes the kilts He likes haggis even but at the end of the day if he wants to be viewed as more sexually In a global way. He's like maybe I did wish I look, you know more like, uh, you know, like uh Yeah, all of skin guy. Yeah, I don't know. I mean Possibly I don't you think it's true. There's another comment Andrew in the asian world. They're like, man You're not just judged on skin color and lookism. It's also how short you are how fat you are or how ugly you are Ah, I mean, I think your aesthetics and your appearance always play and there's multiple factors That's why I would like to think that in the modern day with most people It's not just about like if you're tan skin or darker skin It's more about like you could be a super good-looking Dark skin. Yeah, I think there's enough like good-looking people of every color and every like Ethnicity that like people have seen now, but it's just maybe it's a more good-looking thing now Yeah, I definitely think amongst the older generation andrew. Um, do you agree that for the older generations in asia? They pretty much go off height look and probably skin tone does play in a look Thinness education and money this guy said that it seems like humor good works in society sports and other intangible skills Such as vibes do not really up your status to the older generation I mean you're just talking about personality because the older generation was coming from a time where Your economic status meant so much that meant if you were going to come to america or not Or that meant if you were going to live a good life or not now, obviously They did not pick people based on vibe Yeah, now that we're all in america and everybody kind of you generally know how to live at least at middle level Like middle-class lifestyle like yeah, it's it's more about maybe your vibe. I do disagree with that though I always noticed that at church. I know our family was not like that But some of the families the man like I said, there was a pretty big variance in church Some of them it was like if you wasn't the tallest best-looking biggest sharpest nose kid in the family It's like you get like a second tier status. Yeah, some of those tall good-looking guys are boring bland ass Act like it's 1935 ish. Um, let's get into our takeaways. Like I said, there was like so many comments from so many different platforms I could not possibly get to them all Um, what do you think? How do people lean away from colorism and obviously like we said, there's different types of colorism There's interracial, which is like two different ethnicities There's ones that are regional within a country and there's ones even within a family But obviously the king's college london study was talking about it in the most micro nuclear family way Yeah, I do think it's hard to change your family But it's just growing up and opening yourself up to kind of like products or cultures From people who look differently and I hope that's what families can do You know like even just like for us eating food going to different restaurants Like there are obviously our groups of people that have darker skin jamaican people I mean like nigerian food or even filipino food or indonesian food These are all skin to vietnamese food. Cambodian food. These are all food indian food, right? Like you can just go into these restaurants and just connect with the people and enjoy something from them And that's going to help that family open up. Obviously if your family is super super racist I don't know what to tell you it's very hard for me to have a solution for you You just got to get away from them at some point Um, but yeah, I think that's one thing that you can ask of your family You know for sure How do you determine between preferences and racism because obviously some people that are older? Let's just say the colorist people in your family intra family They would defend themselves being like it is just a preference. Okay. It's not like a racism Yeah preference There's a thin line between preference and discrimination and then discrimination to racism These are all steps and has to do with uh, I guess extensive extremity and applicability and Preferences depending on how specific they are they can sound kind of uh discriminatory But I guess it just depends on the person. So it's case by case I noticed that one major thing for myself Was listening to a lot of different genres of music like you said earlier and are eating different genres of food Like authentic versions not the gentrified version listening to like hip-hop. Of course, um hip-hop Is like so cool because in basketball as well because you can be a fan of luka and yokich You can be a fan of lebron. You can be a fan of jose alvarado yalming jeremy lin Eduardo nahara there's like a huge spectrum within basketball, right? Yeah, what what would you say to kind of wrap this up like as far as people Because I think there is some feeling like listen if you're if you're like, uh You're very tuned into this and you know you have darker skin and you feel like oh man Like people are gonna always judge me or all the old traditional people will at least like how do I live like a good life, you know I think the key is that there's so many levels of your life There's your micro life that you're born into right, uh, but there's awful little elements in the micro you can shift There's your mid which is your neighborhood in the city, you know your locality Let's say the closest 500 to 5000 people and then there's the globe like statistically guys There's 8 billion people in the globe. I believe it's 7.9 billion So what levels are you like looking at? Yeah, you know what I mean because it's like every level was completely different and we all live in different fish bowls Some people live very big ranging lives. Some people live very hyper fish bowl lives Yeah, and I think if you're around a family or a group of people that are very much judging you on that constantly Uh, and you feel uncomfortable. I mean, I don't Get away. Yeah, that's wrong. It's honestly wrong. It's outdated People should be judged on because they're not going to empower you if you buy into their validation and their Like societal Skeletal metrics people should be based on what they can provide how they behave Their personality all these other things and you know are so much more valuable, but anyways guys Uh, I don't know if we sound like a broken record. Um colorism is bad. Like I think it's pretty clear But it still happens. So I think hopefully this conversation was helpful in some way and uh, yeah I mean, you know, maybe we didn't I don't have the end all be all solutions for everybody But just hopefully it was just good to get it out and talk about I know that's a hard And I know that it's interesting and or because some people view Colorism as such an a tier embedded issue They don't want to talk about it because they feel like it's a given and other people view it as a c or d tier issue Where they're like, yeah, it's a thing, but it's such a light thing. Let's not talk about it So why do you think there's like some people are considering it a a issue and a c issue But both of them are not trying to talk about it. Yeah And I think talking about it in a productive way can help the feel like maybe other people are like I don't need to talk about it. It's so simple to me But other people are like I really needed this I think in 2023 It's not probably the number one thing. I think there's probably other factors that I think are Will more change how people perceive you but it is it is definitely a factor 100% And like we said guys, it depends on your family and the worlds you're in and what systems you buy into All it can tell people is go out there see different reps. Look at what's empowering to you And man, I just hope everybody has a successful happy life Um, let us know what you think in the comment section below keep it civil Like we said guys, we're tackling the tough topics until next time we to hop out boys. We out. Peace