 You know these people So I at least it's a controlled environment I usually post them on 10 miles an hour Great Other questions We do as much as the site could handle that anything above that I would have to take her away and I did a couple times on the big storms out Lincoln Street. I hauled her away but Who knows if we get two three feet of snow in one month. Yeah, I would have to haul it And the acre you had left or was that's on the where the front of where it comes in off that's with the other four buildings still left They are the restaurant the cross from it at the house behind it and then there's another And then we created a 30 about 25 or 30 parking space parking lot to help the restaurant on the corner Okay, if the planning Commission doesn't have any more questions for the applicant, I'd like to give the audience an opportunity to ask questions Please before I open it up Limit your comments to a couple minutes so that everybody has a chance and please direct your questions to the chair or the applicant Not other members the audience, okay? And please make sure you tell us who you are Yes Sorry And This is purely emotional, but I Look at this rendering that was done from the school street site if you all could look at it, please First of all it only was a rendering Not my house, which is behind school Park Street school and it will see a lot of the building and As well as the DMs who live right next door to me It seems like a little dishonesty in the rendering and I feel like I'm being played a little bit here It's a four-story building The house in front of it is a story and a half It doesn't make any sense that that building is the same height as the house And I'm just very curious about why this is looking that way. It's got to be higher It's got to be at least even with the roof line of the school Why are we looking at this and seeing that? Yes First not deceiving and we will not never try to see if anybody Well, I'm sorry you feel that way but on the other hand the lot slopes gradually down It drops from what from where you are to the bottom of my law is at least probably 12 to 13 feet lower I'll just shorten this conversation a little bit. It's a trick of perspective and the thing is that house That's in front is blocking the view of the other one and and you can't tell Relative heights from that from a real perspective It's it just doesn't you can't do that if you show it in pure elevation Which means that you are taking away perspective then you would see the height difference But but you know if you put a little ball here and then the moon on the other side If you're standing right in front of that you can't see it and so that's what's going on It's not not an intentional deception But that's actually a probably a fairly accurate depiction of what happens if you're standing on the sidewalk from that point of view and It's a If you go back if you go back to the previous The same thing happens when you look at the elevation here You see the building the proposed building here is three stories and and that's five stories behind it Because of the change in elevation it's a it's a matter of perspective. So that's what John's trying to explain So we're no one's I don't think anyone's trying to deceive anybody. It's just it we're trying to they're trying to represent how it's going to look Basically, why do we not have a viewpoint from the houses at the end of schools? I've got pictures And I took pictures This is on the corner, I believe If I took a picture from the street here and angled it toward where the building is going to be built I don't believe you would have seen it. No The building will be if you took a picture from my front porch So this is that greenhouse, so I was standing up in front of there So I was standing The building farther down we have two houses to and far and I think we'd all I understand I understand that the foreground is going to show up larger than background But I think it would have been much more accurate if you would take a picture directly in front of where the site building is going to be Okay, thank you Please remember to identify yourself. Okay. Let us know who you are Thank you Okay, next. Yes. You're the back. Thank you. My name is John Reynolds I live at 71 Main Street My family has been here since the 1800s and I live in a house that my grandfather bought in 1935 I've seen a lot of change in the village over the years and I see this as a tremendous positive change It's my understanding that the Plaining Commission has asked Mr. Handy to build senior housing and he's agreed to do it They've asked him to build a hotel and he has agreed to do it for the benefit of the village as well as his own I Have this fear that we are Killing the goose that played the proverbial golden egg here And I'd like to point out what has happened in other towns around here when we have a project and then we have opposition and then a long period where There's a lot of Interaction and that the project seems to go downhill When Jeff Davis first offered to build Walmart and home people He had parks and green space trees and all kinds of amenities in that project and years of fighting cost millions of dollars And all the budget for the amenities went away and now they have a bunch of boxes in the field that look like big ugly concrete And then because they are I Would really like to see this Meeting focus on making the project better and not being this concerned about Stopping it because I believe this is an integral part of our community moving ahead Thank you. Thank you very much. I would like to say that that that The reason we're in our fifth meeting is because the applicant has made Significant changes to the project and that's why we have these meetings is to make sure that we're putting the right thing in the right place And just a point of clarification the Planning Commission doesn't really ask people to build stuff we Approve applications and we the zoning encourages certain kinds of development in the village So that's why this project is in front of us Okay Yes The neighbors are not trying to stop Mr. Handy from moving there We know that the property has a value on it and you have to put a building there You just you have to you can't let us sit there like that stagnant, but we're looking for something that's Complimentary to the rest of the neighborhood There's a statement in here where it talks about building height should not be more than 10% greater than the Chasing residential neighborhood. I mean You can't do that Properly like that you have to have multi stories But let's get some good stuff around it's a good greenery some good colors and good combinations of materials Which is where that is going now? finally but no, I Maybe I shouldn't be speaking to my neighbors, but we're not sitting here saying you can't build anything in that because It's my backyard, but it's not my backyard Robin, could you do me a favor? Could you comment on the 10% Based on the It's light and dark. Yes. Thank you. Actually, I was going to bring up that provision because we really haven't addressed it Yeah, let's talk about it. I'm happy to do that. Sure. I Mean our regulations do allow in the BDC Buildings with four feet of four stories tall up to 58 58 feet high We allow 100% coverage. We allow zero setbacks But we do have other provisions in the regulations that are designed to Promote a appropriate transition from higher intensity development patterns in the in the in the village district to Lower intensity uses adjacent residential neighborhoods and we've talked about one of them It's that 15 foot buffer between multi-family and single family, but another one that we have Mr. Nate just brought up is actually in our village center district and let me read it It's in the design review guidelines. It's a subsection for a four But it says the proposed height of structures may be limited To within 10% of the average height of existing adjacent buildings Where necessary to protect the residential character of adjacent residential structures? So and and I will point out that this says that That the height may be limited as opposed to shall so it is it is definitely more of a guideline than a strict requirement but It is a guideline that was specifically included in the village center district and As a planning commission, I think we should we should address that and if we try to apply what it's saying here We assume that Park Street School is 35 feet high and the adjacent residential structures are 25 The average height then is 30 feet and if we increase that 10% that gets us to 33 feet So what this provision is suggesting is that within this area of the village center district? Maybe buildings should not be higher than 33 feet Even though we allow we we can't allow up to 58 feet. This is suggesting You know for a for an appropriate transition that maybe in this area the building should be shorter so You know a question that I keep asking myself because I am focusing on these is You know is the is the size the height the placement the design of this building? Is it is it promoting an appropriate transition? between the higher intensity development patterns and the adjacent lower intensity That's a really good point. It's a very good point Anybody wants to try and answer that question for me. What would that look like? I'm struggling with that one What Robin? What do you think that look like in terms of height? I mean what 10% of the average of? All of the buildings in the area well clearly it's contradictory to the dimensional standards in the center district If you start with a new building in that height and every other building is tied to that height within 10% of that height the Village Center district goes properly to From proper lines of all the buildings on the east side of school street The residential district starts Middle school street or the other side of school street This is not a property that is contiguous With the residential district this property Is surrounded by the Village Center district this applies to residential structures within the Village Center district I think the intent of this was I think the intent of this was really to was to protect historic residential structures That are in the Village Center district Well the remainder of the sentence though is the height limit shall not apply in predominant commercial and mixed-juiced areas Correct, so the question shall exactly shall so then the question becomes I mean how do you how do you really agree that it's a long one side and you have mixed use in commercial along the other three right, so it's It's a waiting, you know you have to balance this this whole project. I went all the way back through Converance of plan I went to see what the real goal was for this district Why it's special what we're trying to promote and and it Continues to talk about that balance between existing neighborhoods existing building stock and what the Village sees as its future And the Village Center is is right at the hub with the whole thing I mean it is a transition district and it's asking us to say Here's the future. How do we get there and what's an appropriate transition and that's been the crux of this whole Discussion right and so if you look at all of the things that that the Village Center district is promoting Which include and I wrote a lot of them down here John That's a good discussion, but I'd like to get back to these folks and then we can talk about that's good for closed session Sorry Yes, go ahead And I've been going through the code myself and I'm a little unfair of what this building qualifies as and what the district is Family is it Commercial is it I don't know how it qualifies and you know, there's different different Requirements based on you know, it's like a a PUD in one category has this requirement and then another requirement. I Tried to search. I downloaded the whole thing Merge the PDFs search for terms like senior elderly and I really didn't find much that applies to the situation so I guess I'm really just It helped me understand it a little bit better if I kind of knew Okay, this is my family. This is commercial. This is mixed use Can someone answer that please? The Village Center is The purpose is to Provide a compact Center with a mix of commercial governmental Residential so it's a mixed use District and it's it's encouraged to have infill development and basically develop a compact commercial center It's the heart of the Village basically a higher density. Yes Building It's mostly family residential in a way, but as an apartment building It's it's technically classified as a commercial structure. So it's it's tricky. It correct supports residences But but it because it's more than two or three of them. It's a commercial building. Correct Essentially yes Yes, go ahead. Yep. My name is Mary. I'm asking pork Cortion, I'm trying to get my parents place to live which is getting to be really difficult at this point That building some Park Street next to it is is Residential homes right historical residential homes. How high is that building? Four stories in the front and five in the back. Correct. So higher than 43 feet if I miss not mistaken. It's mixed Yeah, yes, you're correct. Well, I So my concern is the seniors again right now. I will give you My life story here Yesterday, I got a phone call and there's two of us taking care of my parents my sister Got a phone call my sister's husband is done. So now it's me They're out in jail We've been trying to find them affordable living. This has been postponed postponed my mother's getting dementia and they have to have Certain amount of money to move and now we're looking at putting them unfortunately into a Assisted living that is for lower-income families. They both will have to have separate bedrooms they won't be able to be together and It's devastating me that I can't put them Down the street for me where I can care for them and not have to do this to them for their few years left to live Thank you. Thank you Yes, I have a I have a comment and two questions So I want to thank you, mr. Why if I'm saying your name right and and John also the conundrum for us as neighbors Many of whom live and houses in the historical in the historical district Houses that are well over a hundred hundred and twenty or thirty or forty years old Our conundrum is spent between the village plan and the land development code And I think you know that because we've come back and back and back about that conflict But one says one thing and one says the other so thank you for speaking to that It feels like that that's on the table the two questions I have One the traffic entrance so left turns from Park Street into that driveway then Will that be lighted will there be a separate stoplight there? And how will that work for traffic coming in and out? There's a tracks right there It's already really difficult for those of us who have to or our only entrance To school street is up Park Terrace because our driveways are on Park Terrace It's really difficult even for us to get into that lane So that's a question of logistics and my other question is about green space the village plan talks really clearly about percentage and and the green space and I'd like to know what is being done for the health of the trees I know that Nick Myers has worked really hard at On the corner to make sure that those trees live so is that being done for this property? Good questions What the applicant like to comment on that those two questions on the traffic traffic and the The trees and you know the health of the landscaping Far as the traffic I read in a staff note my engineer indicated to be about 4.3 cars in the peak time What's very minimal as low as it could be for seniors who doesn't change the traffic level? the The cars would be exiting on the the school property's side I don't know if that street has a name or not Does that doesn't okay? That's what the exiting would be the entrance is the ticket enter for Park Terrace or from Park Street Depends which way they were coming into this property So the level of service is very low I believe you did You may point on the map or you y'all set see the shooting area Obviously, that's the way and what you see is one of the park terraces Yeah, there's also a driveway between the two houses if you could point right right right look further up to the third main Right there. That's also a driveway curb cut through there. Oh, there is yeah, and that's where actually that open space right here You see right there. That's the do we put in about 30 parking spaces to help the restaurant next door So they enter from Park Terrace That's the way One way coming in and going out this way. Yes And Far the trees we discussed at the beginning. I mean we got we added six more 16 foot trees to help Reduce the the mass of the building All this brush you see right here. I mean that exists right now. We didn't touch us, but we will be taken all out out This is all And all the trees on the back of the property. They are on My side I went there with a surveyor and you look that you've been there you don't you saw the pen in the ground Yeah, there's only one tree Mrs. Collins property and it grows into right there. You can see it that crooked one it grows like like this It's only like four feet of it on her property. The rest of it is over my side It just grows crooked and the rest of those trees are on mr. Neff property they all dead and Look you see right there. You can see them. They I mean this is trash. They call trees and privacy. This is no trees or privacy This is garbage And I wouldn't want that in my backyard Easy easy one person at a time let the applicant Stay this case And I wanted to make a point that the original lot coverage. I know green space would be tight As it is, but was the original lot coverage 85 percent? It was the 85 would you do set the 73 73? that's right, okay, and So I do want to work with both neighbors to clean up this Dead trees and I'm hoping they would give me the opportunity to sit with them and We'll have to be cleaned up I mean these trees that are bending over and have fallen over and all that You're talking about the privacy fence. Oh, yeah The hedgerow needs to be cleaned out. Okay, thank you very comments prior to any construction. I'm sorry They would put the fence up first got right do anything that would be the first thing I would put down and if the neighbors still want the eight-foot fence let them go I know you're saying no if they want to go to the zoning board and get an approval I'm more than happy pay for the eight-foot fence Okay, just don't make it clear. I want to be a good neighbor. Yeah Yes, sir So I went out back beyond the garage where the the stake is And then some trees had white marks on them. Are those what you're considering your trees? That's correct Okay, I have to survey I come in but where that that picture right there That tree that has the crate against it is that your tree or my tree? That's that's exactly on the property line The the biggest tree on the corner by the school that is your tree Yeah, because the pennies if you I would say that about Third way up that of my lawn Up your on your property where the tree kind of crooks into your property I would say that a lot of those trees are either on the line or on my trees so That that's where I'm having a discrepancy Okay, I would make a suggestion that there is a comment in the staff notes that no trees are removed without the The owner of the properties being there with staff Yeah, so actually I'm not removing in those trees David those trees on the property line And I don't have to remove them all we're gonna do if we when we dig if the roots are extended to our side We're gonna have them professionally With an arbor come in with a special saw to cut the roots so they don't damage and hurt the trees catch them Okay, but we're not removing those trees great. Okay. Yes My question goes back to the parking entrance Driveway into the parking lot. I'm just wondering what kind of Measures will be taken to ensure that that stays one way off of Park Terrace and not having cars enter on Park Terrace Since the new building it Park Terrace is Becoming harder to get up and down and and I can say as a resident of School Street The one-way signs at the top of Park Terrace are Most often ignored Creating a pretty dangerous situation of cars flying down Park Terrace So if we have people coming out of that driveway as well and the narrow entrance onto Park Street from Park Terrace Makes it difficult to go up it So just wondering if there's going to be any measures to really ensure That people are not exiting going up to School Street to try to avoid going around five corners Because it they could become a more dangerous situation and I understand if you're leaving and you want to go to Pearl Street That's the shortest way I was gonna fuck you to answer that like John Andrew So that's I mean It's going to be marked the way it has to be marked Yes, sir There's obviously a little lack of it around that corner that McKillicuddy's being so popular at place That gave us added 30 40 parking spaces on the other side He is eventually going to build on that site No spots are going to go away any long-term plans or thoughts on where we're going to come up with Enough parking to accommodate that restaurant after that's gone. I mean, it's a real zoo Sunday night football Patriots against the Jets Part of the parking lot right so at this point we're talking about what is happening with this Application so we can't really comment on what the future of parking could be I mean, obviously it's a challenge with every project But at this time Parking across the street at the tap. No, they're not they are No, they're not I know the owner. We had the discussion So that does that answer your questions really not relevant to the conversation Well, I think it is a little bit relevant because You're going to have people looking for parking places it gives new building But when we're talking about the senior housing at point five or point seven He cars per unit you're gonna have an overflow of cars there. Where will they go? So that that is not a known fact that is as a matter of fact Gabe has provided in the project The required number of parking spaces so per the code So at this point, we can't really speculate on what might or might not happen Yes, I have a little bit of a statement and some questions, but you know, I'd just like to point out when And I'm sorry for getting emotional when I get frustrated I get emotional. I'm not trying to pull the key apart or anything, but When we moved to the street it was like a Little hidden enclave, you know, so we were right in the village We had kind of a tree is just kind of like a hidden street like no one knew it was there and We're getting exposed to it You know, we knew about the trains going through doesn't bother me We knew turning on the Pearl Street to paint in the bud, but now we're just becoming More and more exposed in the Village Center is just kind of encroaching on us. I just feel like I Just feel like looking at the maps with a Village Center My whole side of the street is now in the red brick pattern meaning it looks like you're trying to take it over and I feel like In my situation, especially we're subject to the worst aspects of this project You know, no privacy and eight foot fence and hedges isn't going to cover four stories of elderly people You know looking down at my family playing outside, you know, that's four Six foot fence and hedge isn't going to give me any more privacy from those elevations. I'm losing sunlight in my backyard You know, I've got the trash bin there. I've got the exhaust vent which Honestly at McGillicuddy's I've taken a decilometer a couple different apps and it's 100 decibels at that great And in the summer you walk by you can hear it. You walk over you can't hear anybody else I've had people that live in that building come up to me when I was doing the recordings telling me how terrible it is But you know, so anyway, I'm losing property value. I'm losing privacy. I'm losing Wildlife I'm losing I just feel like I'm losing I'm giving so much to this project And I'm just so frustrated, you know, I'm just so frustrated. I just Why why am I the butt of all these problems? And You know, that's what I have to say and I know it's It's not personal as business But for me, it's personal and it's my home and it's where we chose to live and It's changing to something that it wasn't when we moved there And I don't dispute the need for elderly housing. I really don't I I understand it Completely I just think maybe this isn't the right lot for it or maybe this isn't the right scale project You know, maybe near max market would be better. Seniors could get their groceries, you know, I don't know. I'm just I just feel like we're giving an awful lot And I don't know what we're really Not that we have to get something in return, but you know what I mean, we're just giving a lot Thank you Yeah, you had brought this up prior this elevation is that elevation that faces her Property we were concerned with privacy for her and for her family and for the residents that will be living here This is actually a bedroom and this is the bathroom We kept the windows, you know as minimally as we could we did not put the living room on the end of this building like we did on the other side Like this one here We put the bedrooms there instead to Minimize, you know, the living area and the usage during the day Okay, thank you Yes Um, Janet Wilson, who's going to I'd like to speak to the woman who Talked about her aging parents and getting them into a safe place where they could afford And all I want to say about that is I'm a senior And my life savings is in my house and if I lose value in my house So goes that part of my Livelihood at the end of my life. So I just want to comment that it affects all of us not just Thank you putting parents in a Senior housing situation. Thank you Okay, I'm going to take a few more and then we're going to close. Okay, uh, yes So I am wondering Are there provisions that ensure this building stays senior housing because Of that will be part of the any recommendation Yes, any condition of approval. Yes, and then because you know If it becomes other kind of housing half the parking spot when right Um, are pets going to be allowed in the residences? Yes A restriction dogs cats We limit the the path up to no more than 30 pounds That would my existing senior housing. That's our limit 30 pound cat. So it could be one animal only either a small dog or one cat Um, what if what if it's a cute little yappy dog, you know, sometimes the smaller ones are the loudest ones You know, I mean just Gabe just Really, this doesn't really have anything to do with the project Is smoking allowed in the building or will they have to be smoking outside? um and The the terms the terms of what residents are allowed to do under the terms of whatever gave, you know With the rent at least rental or whatever, you know, it doesn't have any Heart of the conversation. All right. I do have some that are um Are the windows maybe michelle knows the answer is there's some type of pain which might limit the light that's emitted at night depend I'm not quite sure how bright it could be I'm just kind of wondering if there's like a Protection I do shades and all my windows from my building. I don't expect my tennis to buy them. So I do the treatment for all the okay And um, can floor plans be made available to us? What kind the floor plans of the buildings? Absolutely Thank you Okay Other questions I'm gonna make a motion to close the public comment portion. Do I hear a second all favor? Okay Clearly clearly we as many of us under this gentleman describe Um There's a need for you know senior housing. Um, and so I don't think anyone wants to Read this project. Um, as you suggested, you know moving and things like that Many people are just you know concerned of how it might affect them and their family in their You know their home and property values and whatnot. Um So, you know, I think part of it is to kind of console, you know, many of the neighbors and and my aunt here, um Like I said, I'm relatively new to this So, I don't know if I may have missed in the previous four meetings But um, is there like uh, do we have a projected duration of time like how long this construction? You know, we're talking about noise pollution a lot and I don't know if you saw her letter that she wrote I have it here. Um Duration of the construction and also time of construction. Do we have any information on that? Okay, to whoever Typically, uh, of course We won't start public the march and uh I was going to go one step further. I didn't say earlier, but I was going to have this building prefab Brought the site into sections and put up with a crane so instead of pounding nails for 60 days I probably could have the building up in 30 days being prefab And then we would do the work on the finish to work on the inside all the interior walls and So that's what I was going to do, but I wasn't going to commit myself to to that point but I did I have done it in three other buildings and One of them is on Lincoln street. I built that four years ago and that's how we did it pre-section So Around 60 days you're not committing to any but that's an average six months. Oh, oh, that's okay. Okay. Um, and just about the I I actually live in um, Autopon way over here, which is a very new construction and there's still construction going on. Um, and I know we have certain protection, you know to go from after 7 a.m. Until you know certain time of night. Do you have any information on that's correct working time usually from 7 They quit around 3 30. Okay Thank you. That's all I Thank you. Good questions Okay, uh, so I'm new my motion. Yes second All favor Okay, all right Who wants to go first John One more questions Rearrayed is protecting the trees that are on the existing lines that we stay absolutely keep those large trees as best as possible Other than that, I think you did a great good vision. Thank you. Thank you, Diane. Talk about the trees on the Unheard on Connelly's end of the building if you're going to pay an evergreens there I've seen evergreens that are 30 feet tall They start out a little ones with the big, you know, those hedges whatever they call them cedar trees So if they plant with a special kind of cedar tree that takes that that a little block the view from those windows to her property Can we like specify that kind of tree so it's going to fill that whole site line up I mean, what is proposed along that we have the six foot fence that we have cedars along the fence Also, you got the cedars along with the the honey local trees and that we suggested that along with 16 foot honey local trees And I don't see those trees and they're just huge and I mean To me that would block out that view for those people to still have the privacy on that issue Within five years of cedar trees if they plant it right now at 68 feet, that would be around 15 to 17 feet They grow over a foot a year Okay, well, I think the goal should be to provide a layered a layered screening of multiple sizes and shapes so that you really fill in that area below the existing canopy So protect the existing canopy as much as you can and then layer in A variety of species after that you got 15 feet to work with pretty much so Have at it, you know spend some money in there and make make that really lush The benefit to both sides. Yeah, that's my picture there the underground area where that's the exhaust fan for the For the parking garage that dotted the line area That's not a direct blast of wind to college property. That's going to hit a wall Obviously it's concreted in it's going to hit that and that's pretty much stated most of the state there I suspect and I mean, I'm sorry Michelle suggests that we could put a dog house over it too. So so is um Is the ground level all the way to the top and it's just a great top. That's correct. Okay May stick up six inches above the ground is a great open top Okay, yeah, it's not a visual issue. It's only a potential Sound issue where nobody really knows that I haven't had complaints before so Because of the gill cutting when that's open right to the straight out that one's not Submerge out subterranean. Is it like this one? I think it's in the sidewalk, right? It is It's not bad. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. They were still complaining about the noise over there as people live there Is that she said you said oh, I was just curious Because it seems like a blast that would block a lot of the noise Well, if it's a fan speed issue you can reduce the fan speed as you make the opening bigger cut down the Falling with air going through so there's a whole bunch of ways to do it. I think the message is don't make it noisy and make sure nobody knows it's there and then you're fine And also we talked about Moving it to the south side of the Builder if the uh, if it works if we can get an easement a lot that works first Then you'd be on the crux three school right away, which is that's what we yeah, that's what it said We would need an easement. Yeah, I don't think that village would have to grant any Would there be more of it? This is a kind of weird question. Would it there be more of a chance of it? Kicking on if it's not a direct if it can't pull air directly from the from one end to the other in a straight line So there's a chance Either in the center or when each of the corner of the park So if you relocated it it might actually come on more than if you left it there and put a doghouse on top of it You didn't have to record it. It was an example Okay, interesting That should be a Stipulation that we put in there to take a look at that Yeah, and if it needs to be done to make sure it happens May I would suggest that they can be moved to the south side? But not come on more often Well, the problem is if you're not drawing I know if there's more co2 build up because you're not drawing air directly from the other end And it's coming around an angle. It's going to kick on more. Yeah, that's that's the Downside but perhaps we can This is going to get approved perhaps it can Could affect the definitely that would allow staff to Yeah, work with the architect and the HVAC person if it doesn't reduce efficiency. Yeah, yeah That and then it's the buffering at the end of the building What else Anybody want to tap over 10% Well, I think that was the idea. They could read the names Or they you have the last the last sentence of that Of that provision says that Yeah, the height limit shall not apply in predominantly commercial and mixed use Areas But this is in the village center district, right? That's correct. That's correct. So why why was this provision included? I mean, I don't think any of us were here like this It's properties on the scene between the commercial Energy along park street and the residential backyards on school street So it's it. They're all in the village center, but this particular property happens to Sit on a fault line really so I think you have to be You have to be sensitive to why they wrote it But you have to measure, you know on the balance of it That's why I went back and looked at all the rest of the things that seemed That this project Does very well that the village center district also asked for density Etc. That's also sorry. So I mean That's why I'm really pushing the buffering and the screening and the protections that we can afford to To the residential properties because that's a deal. That's a big thing. Yeah, I agree. I agree You know, but when you measure what the village center is looking to the future to provide It's all the things that this project delivers And so in balance, I think that wins And in the simplest sense the last sentence says shall the first one says may I mean, I agree. I think this is a perfectly fine project for most of the village center I just Strung with that if it's appropriate for this particular spot in the district If it's because of these types of provisions, right? I ran through some other concepts like what if the bat what if this west end of it was only three stories But it would have meant What if it was only two stories would have meant would it make that much of a difference to the overall project field The fact that it's 16 feet shorter than it could be And I think it would comply with this provision With this this specific. Well, how do you know that for sure? Do you know what the 10% is? Well, I think I think it gets you at the 33 feet if we You'd have to do the calculations and find out Right So a two-story probably would Maybe even a three-story It would with What what adjacent buildings though would you include this building? That's an adjacent building Exactly, so let's take the difference in height. You're you're right where you where you are now It says the height of existing adjacent building. Correct. You consider this adjacent this It's on it's on the lot next to it Maybe maybe not. I don't know What would you consider it adjacent? I'm just trying to make a point that we don't know exactly what that height would be Right, and that's an important point because a lot of our provisions Especially the design review are not black and white. They're they're subjective and perfectly reasonable people can disagree on And how you interpret these and I get that I get that Well, even if we took an adjacent building Park Street school is is three and a half stories tall so Now this building is is putting on which end you're at is is either four or five stories So if you're 10% of that, so if you're 10% This building wouldn't meet that ballpark So you would know it It would Take the Park Street school because it happens to be Three Three and a half on the school street side and on the Park Street side It's much taller because it extends quite good down Right. Yeah, the Park Street school would would establish the higher end of the average Right That that's you know, I was assuming 35 feet Park Street school 25 feet for adjacent residential structures gets you to 30 feet as an average Increase that 10 percent gets you to 33 feet No, if we ask you a question then you can respond Sorry It's a subjective criteria No, I understand What else do we have Anything else to discuss Yeah, I just I just wanted to be more clear that I want some sort of Um Interaction between the residents Abutting the property and the tree, you know and staff in regards to making sure that everybody's happy with Whose trees are whose and what's getting removed and well, it's certainly I would have to do that Well, it's and say which trees on which broad then we can I mean the property lines already Is it already marked? It has to be marked. Okay, so you know You were referring to just trying to help out any way you could just to make sure the neighbors are happy so Right, that's important There's a condition about the trees pruning number 10. Okay. Thank you Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know root pruning. Okay So you want that interaction with residents? Yes Okay, so there's three You guys have any Three extras to the ones that are that already there. Yes. I do want to point out that there is the condition in that states that Where is it in here? Is there provision in here that states that each apartment? Oh, the occupants have to be at least 55 years of age one one member One member has to be at least 55 years of age at the time of signing news I think um number seven has to be a lot stronger in terms of the vegetative buffer for the residential property The buffers of the park street school is more about maintaining a view corridor up to the park street school Not so much about buffering. That's good. I would actually split those two Or you can say that tree planting shall enhance the view corridor to the park street school from park street. Absolutely. Yeah, okay And I would say that the vegetative buffers should be A variety of species intended to mix the stitches. Significantly Block views between the properties Be careful John. You're spending Robin's money here. Yeah, there's 20 grams I'm supposed to come to the village. He hates it when I do that, but uh architects. I think they're landscape architects I'll spend a lot of money on this project site as I possibly can I'd like to make sure that It takes part of the landscaping It does definitely it should be do Enhanced the uh, so it's not going into the tree planting fund. Um, no, we should remember a lot of these trees or Volunteer species they weren't Planted by design so they may not be What people would plant if they were made a choice it should be possible to enhance it enough that Nobody has to worry about whether their blinds are up or down It's in a budget. I mean money's there. That's what I'm saying Just need to make sure it's get spent the right way put it where we want. Exactly. I have no problem with that Yeah Um, did did I see a provision for bike racks because yes, we have bike racks. They're already Yeah Anything else How would they go about changing some of these roles? I mean we do this every five years We go through the ldc and change things but nobody shows up. I mean it's all worn and nobody comes No, it's done. Everybody's bad. Are you gonna come are you gonna come on? That's Then to come in here and say, you know actually change something so it works that they like sure that's a Really good point that you bring up. Maybe we should I mean there's a lot of right here So when we're happy some aren't but most of them aren't together And so what would their recourse or what can they do to change the future of These rules if they want you know the trustees the trustees have changed it. I mean Trust to go to the trustee meetings come to our meetings when we spend a year going over the code 13 months When we update the yep They just keep objecting and we finally We go on and go their way or what happens It's a it's a rough process because the The changing the rules part happens years ahead of the actual project in review And it's hard to stay with it. It really is But that's how it works But they put it on their calendar that in 2021 they can come here and have a lovely chat because it's probably when the ldc will be up for review again Unless unless the trustees want to do a penitent time and do a whole process Who's the person taking here, but hey, if it's a betterment from the village then okay So They can go on and ask the trustees to start the process again if they want That's a good point. Actually they can do they can do that. They can do that the next Plan change opportunity is actually going to be the comprehensive plan which sets the tone and the rules for the one development code correct and the trustees are Working hard to get Designed five corners and all those kind of ideas actually codified into our rules. So I would say the trustees are your first stop at this point and after that it's it's Try and figure out if the Comprehensive plan actually says what you want it to say for the vision of your community for the next Five years eight years eight years eight years All right, uh, okay, so good question Where are we so anything else in terms of What we want to put in here for changes or questions for the applicant Good Do I hear a motion To approve or deny the project I make a motion that we approve the project for the following qualifications Um and Here's 10 some of them have been modified Is that a good split? Do I need to read all those or are we good? Except for the ones for tonight, right? You're okay with the other ones All in favor All opposed Okay, motion passes Thank you. Thank you Okay, let's take a quick five minute break where you go David That's my camera Oh, that's true Why don't you just take it? Darby are you starting that up for him? Do you need a couple minutes? We had discussed that we would say Next on the agenda Is the uh, excuse me anybody who is not participating if you want to have a conversation Move it out to the hallway, please Thank you So while Darby's working on getting the screen uh Next up is a final site plan for proposed mix use development to construct a three-story building with retail commercial on the first floor And 20 departments on the second and third at 1523 park street in the dc district Once I start I will start. Okay Uh, i'm don steward of store construction. I wanted to introduce Uh, the folks who are with me and that is cleared buckley from smith buckley architects And derrick reid from krebs and lansing engineering and mike loritz who is our landscape Architect, uh, we are the hinsdale family's representative for this project on park street. We came in october and uh, we're unanimously approved on a preliminary and At that time there were some requests for changes both by the design review board and by the community development director Which we happily made and those are in the drawings Whether or not we can get this up on the screen um The information that we have that you have in your drawing packet is exactly what we're going to put on the screen So if if we don't have it, that's the way it isn't but you have the information right here in front of you These are all the different Pieces of information that we we are including here. So uh as a very very brief review Um We we look at this project. It is a replacement of an existing building that Has long lived past its usefulness It is a it is a lovely building that will dramatic improve the feel of of park street We are demolishing some older buildings It's one building but three that are connected together the new building will be brought forward. So it sits Only about 10 feet back from the sidewalk and that was a we could have brought always the sidewalk, but But robin requested that we move back And that has allowed us some really lovely streetscape and landscape areas in front of the building and so we think that that will really add quite a bit to the To the to the how the village feels was a practice asad that is both welcoming for the commercial private spaces And we've moved the parking from the front to the back, which is always a benefit in this kind of situation So we're going to bring new retail space In a walkable environment and bring market rain one better apartments to the downtown People living this building are people who will be excited to live in the downtown of eskic junction In part because of the easy access to Public transportation on-site parking we have indoor bike storage for people who will be living there And we think it will continue to define The sense of the village-centered district increase the you know the Economic probability of downtown and add to the social fabric of eskic junction So we're going to go through this sort of in a in a logical way as quickly as we can So derrick reed who is our Representative from crebs and lances who want to talk about the site plan briefly and some changes that we made Getting good pictures So as dawn mentioned The building sited 10 feet back from the sorry As dawn mentioned the building sited 10 feet back from the property line Really Enhances the facade of the building the landscaping the walkway It's all along the east side We have parking in the back as dawn mentioned. We have one space for each apartment unit plus an additional five for visitors and Tenants Of the commercial space We also have eight spaces across the park street school driveway For also for use for the building Um We have off-street loading on the driveway to park street That allows people to come in and out of park street and the the loading vehicles be completely out of the traveled way Trashes at the back of the site So it's away from the building. It's it's screaming behind the building Um Amber I think yes for bike racks at the last meeting and we added two at the southeast corner that are sort of a minimal real estate, but you can see it clouded then we added Two racks for four bikes. I believe it would handle four bikes The storm water for the project so you know, we got a lot of impervious on here. We had we All that might get into the landscaping put as much landscaping as possible on but we were able to with all the impervious treat Nearly all of the impervious for the site under the parking lot and infiltration changes And what we didn't we kind of did a balancing Offset of some of the park street school property trains into our system. So we're training treating infiltrating additional stone water to sort of make up for our site so It's basically the parking lot underneath is off chambers The water and sewer is municipal all along in park street. So That's civil site and Go to landscaping Okay There was just Mike Lawrence and there were several comments first one Which we changed was a comment on the toughness of the planting And the native species in the landscaping area along park park street So we switched out the shrubbery that we had there and we put in a native ornamental grass which You can dump snow on it and it'll kind of get mashed down in the wintertime, but then they'll pop up and be nice all summer There was a request to change the ginkgo tree at the southeast building corner And we are asking to Leave that ginkgo tree. There's an existing ginkgo tree there So this tree is I think we've been about 15 feet of that tree And we wanted to keep the same species so there was as they grow There would be like one uniform canopy on that corner There was a request that all plant species be native So we replaced the non-native species originally that we had proposed along the north property line And those were vine like plants Landscape growing is l1 last drawing in your packet. It gives you a bomb out And that's got notes on it that Referred up to what I'm talking about So we replaced those those two things with Natives and then there was a request to replace the calorie pair trees And The note that I wrote here I said while these trees aren't native. They're not considered invasive Or an environmental threat. They are hardy clean mid-sized easily established and perform well in urban Surroundings such as the area at the west of the project site. We could exchange them for a species of crab apple But it's a little confusing as to exactly are they native species or not because there's so much cross hybridization in apple trees and actually apple trees originally are from I believe it's eastern europe so So what I've said is we left the option for replacement as Adirondack crab apple But we would actually prefer to leave the calorie pairs as is I've got kind of an either or on the plan Okay, so very roughly some of the architects. Sorry. I wasn't able to get the display going but um And also, sorry. I wasn't here at the last hearing. Um, I had a memorial service to go to in california that I couldn't arrange But I think you've seen You've seen the drawings and the main architectural comment that We got last time was a request to look at the area over The entrance On the front. Um, Derek's putting up the drawing. So, um So where it says sign um, where the metal panel comes from the top and sort of Creates a strip at the right hand entrance um The fenestration above that um entrance was a little bit unresolved That was resulting from some of the apartment layouts on the inside Uh, since the last time we were here, we looked at the layout and um, we're able to Rearrange some of the internal layouts so that we can get Two windows as you see there that we think are more consistent with the expression of the rest of the building And There were some minor changes to side elevations and the egress stair That's in the back of the building, but this was the the item that was the main Thing that we were asked to look at So in conclusion, the new buildings like the instills are positive reminders of the need for growth and change in the village Change can be disruptive or comfortable for a moment that can also yield Significant long-lasting benefits and I think the drb really holds many of the keys to The changes that are going to come in as a junction and that approving this project will be a great vote for our future May we answer any questions? I've got a few questions. Thank you. I wasn't at the last hearing either Apologize for that Just have a couple questions. So how many what's the square footage of the commercial space? That you guys are I About 5,500 I think it's that's 55 right and do you have any retailers in mind yet? No And and how many parking spaces are on the site? And I thought I counted 33 even then I saw a reference to 34 There's 33 33. Okay on the site. There is plus the eight across the street. Yeah, okay to One of the spaces looks like a space is kind of hashed out. It's a 88 access aisle. Okay, but I think there's an ability to gain 34 with the building Exit under the I think that has narrow Maybe I don't it it there's a column greater than that may make that hard to show you the 33 34 the There are 28 apartments in the building and the second and third floor Every one of them is a one bedroom apartment. So we provided one parking space for each unit Which with a one bedroom unit we think is appropriate and then there are I guess five spaces right now additional that serve the commercial space. Yeah any concern about The I mean that that seems insufficient to me for commercial use, you know, it retakes definitely for a restaurant use Are you guys concerned at all about being able to lease actually lease the space because of the The lack of them Interestingly the there's I believe there's about 12 spaces in front of the existing building And I don't and I've worked at this in front of the building now that's existing And I've and I've worked in this at this point for 20 25 years And I don't think I've ever seen more than six or seven cars parked there and there that we had we had the The mediterranean restaurant. We had the pizza place and then we had the cell phone users so It's not a lot of spaces But they are there the five plus the eight so there's 13 that are designed to deal with people come in Go out of the building who don't live there And there's okay. Yeah, I think there's about I think we counted within 200 yards. There's around 25 or 30 pieces about locations of street parking. Okay, it's actually Yeah, okay. Yeah point. Yes It's referenced in here that that it's only it's two and a half spaces short of code Yeah, I know I mean I I know our code is only two and a half spaces per thousand, but I think that's low in reality For what most great retailers also in agreement with the village For currently, okay, and I'm assuming we continue on that they can use the the parking lot At the end of school of Park Street School. I mean that's also has Yes, yeah, that'll be Okay, so that instead of parking in the mud you can park and So You know there they have ready access I believe there is an agreement unless this is being nullified that to be able to use those Spaces that are at the tail end of the parking lot there. So Even though it's missing, you know two spaces three and half spaces It sounds like it's ready available The only concern is is that they can't overnight park at that in the school street parking lot So all residents would have to be parked on site, you know far overnight, but other than that No, I understand that from a code perspective. I think it's it's fine. I'm just more concerned from a reality market perspective On whether there's going to be sufficient parking and I was just curious I was just curious to know if that's something you guys have really thought about and If you have any concerns about being able to actually release the space because I mean you look at this building here I think a big reason why they can't reach that space because there's not enough parking We certainly are concerned about it Joe and legitimately so I do think the village Has to address if you're if this plan is going to work to revitalize Downtown the village has to address parking. I agree as a whole And then that's where we will pick up some of the benefits, right? I agree and I think Your your proposal to lease those eight spaces. I think that's a great approach. I would encourage you Maybe even try to find some other spaces that you might be able to lease that that are within a convenient watch And I would recommend you shy away from a restaurant because at night they'll be competing with all the people that live upstairs Who are parking downstairs? To that point during the day non restaurant commercial uses and apartments often are sympathetic in terms of parking to be How high is the water table there because there's no on the ground parking because the water table is too high Because we did it across the street. I know you're about the same elevation. So What is it just sand it's really Free draining sand and on the west side of the site It's only about five feet And so our storm water changes are these shallow ones because you need to keep three feet of separation between the bottom of the system and the water table so that water table really dictated Where the system could go which had to be Well, the building is on the front and we're balancing Getting that storm water system. We raised the building a little higher than we really wanted to but we had to because of that ground water table Ground water table drops off as you go closer to the park street But it's five feet at the west side of our site And mr. Grubowski when he tested this space between his building with jen building where we're going to build He had ground water 11 feet It's just but we had ground water. I mean you was just like you could we we drilled down five feet and we were in Full water And so these these tests were all done professionally because our original contemplation was we want to put underground parking here You just can't it can you if you if you to keep the water out you end up making a big bathtub It becomes buoyant so you have to pour enough concrete to weight it down even though it's surrounded by water So it becomes this very counterproductive Group of things you have to do to try to make parking and that's when we went back to the parking And then we set up that we set the building up higher than the back So we could park underneath and that's where we gathered the rest of the parking spaces So we made some concessions About losing some space through the building to give us that extra parking On the ground level at grade level because that's only what we could do it. There really wasn't any other coaching solution Robin with the 10-foot setback is the site line from this building the same all the way down now So is it further back or it's further forward on park street? We want to behind you It's 15 feet. They give us 15 feet of the front of their property We've asked that the next one the one in between would give us 12 foot of the front of their problem This is 10 foot the idea is that widens and welcomes you to your place for the center Interesting, okay Um, just while we're talking about that Um, I appreciate you guys your willingness to to set back 10 feet to allow for a wider Streetscape there and I think your plan is pretty interesting looking So how much higher is the sidewalk that's right in front of the building? How much higher is it? Oh, it's only one foot I think you can see it reasonably well joe on that front page It sort of gives you a sense of a little bit of a scale of how that comes up Not a lot higher this comes up. I think is it two or three steps two steps two steps From the site existing sidewalk to this elevated area And how wide is that sidewalk directly in front of the building? Uh, the sidewalk is 10 feet. Okay By the existing sidewalk is anywhere from seven to eight There's a little bit of space in that our our sidewalk our walkway in front of the building is about 10 feet wide a little narrower I wanted and do you anticipate that being wide enough to like have tables out there or Displays of any of some sort of it's tight joe Be nice to have 11 feet but 10 11 feet But Yes, you could have some small like two top tables or some displays You'll note that there are Garage type doors three though on the elevation as well that um, so when the weather's nice Whatever the the use is inside it can be opened up and drop people in I think john you made a comment last time about the landscaping in front About it See the grass come up the next spring Native grass i'm trying to figure out what that is but uh, I got a picture Is That's that it's called uh carl four star I'm not reading my landscaping plan was Hopefully I should but the back It's your uh south left corner. There's one tree on that pretty good size tree And that becomes an important Part of the view up through that for the park street school of what kind of tree is that? A swamp white odor Which is uh big I mean the thought of course was there's a lot of pavement around there and a nice big tree back in there Kind of cool things down, but I I honestly did not look at the perspective from standing on that corner looking at the school You know that I mean that's because that corner sticks out so far You know this yeah with the parking because it's uh, it becomes the first piece of vegetation, you know sizable vegetation that you see framing the building the school So we're pretty interested in You know, we have the other project behind here is that Also spend a lot of time trying to maintain that view quarter because that's been Categorize is fairly important aspect of that historic property and so to the extent that your tree selection on that corner is part of that view quarter and that important You know sight line. We just want to make sure it all It all ties together now working with two parcels and you know Three parcels really and I would propose that if it is a concern we would Put this leave this as it is but make a stipulation that if we get this area built out before we plant this tree Um, the village has an opportunity to come and look at this to see if it makes sense In the situation that we're in Yeah, and I leave it to Mike's expertise to to make sure that the Tree is appropriate. We can work with them. Maybe but but you know I like that idea, you know, let's let's see how that geometry really plays out and then maybe the tree selection or the You know something more upright possibly like a slump. Oh come on, you know Oh, you have to walk out out there. I'm not sure I can remember what a slump I'm not sure what the species is but it looks like there's a fairly large tree Sitting on that corner at the moment Yeah, we uh, I think your Where your piece is going to end up as farther down, right? I think that There's some really interesting things on the try and look at where those curb cuts were placed along the side of that driveway and anticipation of all these projects and and Maybe that's works out, but I think I think the trees on Your parcel are closer to heart street It's it's important that looks right. So we're happy to do whatever needs to be done here Is that do you are you responsible for pruning the tree as the time goes on or is that just The owners the owner will be responsible for pruning the trees Not the villa, but the owner will yeah, correct. It's on private property. Yeah, any other questions Can I address? It was me that brought up the thing about the calorie player my first experience often Streetscapes the Philadelphia you seem to branch too low and they were brittle and they broke a lot But if you're comfortable with it work what your selection where they are That's fine by me too. Okay I have another comment. It's relative to signage So it's hard to see in the rendering because the colors are similar, but in What appear to be gigantic letters to me it says Hinsdale properties Is that a proposed sign is a building really going to be identified as the Hinsdale property building? Yes, that's is that a thing. Can we do that? Can they do that? There's no sign limitation. There's no I mean, it's well, there will be Controls on it over the length of the building and so on I mean, is there a building? Well, I know but everybody else that wants to put something about their ownership or name. I don't see that happening That's what it is It has to meet the sign standards in the village, you know We can wind it that and later did because they're going to have to come in for sign Right, right Good point that's a pretty It's right out there if we approve it, you know, that's 100 years ago it's that's what it said It's been 100 years for that thing I'm not saying it's a bad idea And the clangies block was not the clangies block bill bill changed that when he bought the building It was not called the clangies block, but it do you want to you know, we're we're happy We're coming in for a site permit for this or you could do a keystone or anything Put something over the main entrance Well, I'm guessing, you know There'll be signs at the businesses that's part of you know Usually you just put the thing there that and it says sign, right? So okay, whatever business it is. That's where their sign goes. But but the Hinsdale properties You know building branding is is significant, you know, we're proud of this project. I'm I am proud of it, but It doesn't say truck All right, so any more questions for the applicants from I imagine that it would probably go in more of a vertical orientation on the brick on either side Um, the without a identified tenant Okay, so is there anybody in the audience that would like to ask a question? Yes Which I didn't hear in the last conversation, but at any rate, I'm very glad to hear that here I just know there was a great deal to ever put in the myla family But in to making sure those trees were going to live the ones that did get put in It's lovely to have them on a picture But um, when the tree the trees need some kind of special Infrastructure in order to be able to survive Thank you. Would you like to comment on that? Um I was Involved a little bit in the mylon project and I think that was a partially a reaction to the loss of the big linden trees that came down. Yeah I think that that That was a sort of a super heroic effort because of all the pavement that's there And in this case Those trees are going to have larger Areas of natural draining Soil around them, so I don't think that that kind of you know underground Kind of subterranean structure that holds topsoil and everything is necessary. I think there's enough topsoil and subsoil That the the those trees can get their roots in right off the bat There's certainly enough water to thank. Yeah Great anybody else on question Yes I'd just like to ask the engineering side of your team to Really search for parking spaces There's a discussion that you guys heard earlier in the evening It's really a really an issue In that surrounding area Thank you. Thank you Any other comments questions? Okay All right, any uh, anybody have anything else for the applicant? Do I hear a motion to close the public portion of the meeting? Second all in favor all right Okay So if they are unable to fill this commercial space for some reason are we going to have to give them a music Or whatever break that we did to these guys We didn't fill up this building Next door he didn't fill up all the space and it came to the village for a price break on the taxes I understand. No it came for a tax stabilization agreement. Is that what it was? Yeah, it's not a price break. It's a tax stabilization What does that mean? That means we'll distress that afterwards because that's not your name it is Right So there's another comment that I want to make when we talk about you know, if the project fits within For example this project if it fits within a VC district and it meets the requirements You know this this basically does and it's a good project When we talk about well, can you fill the retail? Well, that's a risk they're taking. I mean they're they're they're building the project That's up to them. So You know what happens with the retail space, you know, yeah, we want to see it full but it's not I mean that that's not really part of our discussion at this point. Does that make sense? Okay Well, it does it does give us a little impetus to make sure that the trustees and the rest of the village are Actually thinking about the parking situation at this point We're all in this parking thing together and if we can't make it work then Then these potential businesses will suck and so, you know, it's it's not a strange conversation I think everybody here has been Saying, you know, you get a place that Pulls in a lot of customers like the gillicuddies and all of a sudden you got an issue You know if you got some, you know a tiny little group up in there You got a handful of people most of them coming down from upstairs. You don't have an issue So it really depends on the business. You just don't know yet But I think, you know, we we know that there's always a potential for that to really start painting us and we're We're all in it together. So the village is aware of it. It's something that's on their long-term radar If we see enough projects come through where that starts to become one of the issues then The village is going to have to motivate to make that a higher priority But the village center is The village center and those parking spaces are out there, but they're Not necessarily right in front of the building Yeah, it's always going to be that that is going to be one of our biggest challenges going forward I just don't always like to You know automatically say the reason we can't rent a retail space is because there's no parking Well, we we haven't shown that to necessarily be the case, right? We we have to prove that that's the truth It could be a number of different reasons. So when we talk about it, we just make sure we realize They're the ones investing in the project. It's going to be their Responsibility to rent the space and take care of it, right? again in the code, you know, and the The thought was this is a bikeable walkable, you know, good point not a good point We really want, you know, that's why we asked the the applicant to put bike racks and and stuff We really want to encourage people to walk a bike To you know to use public transportation transportation. Yeah, exactly So if they meet the if they meet the code requirements regarding parking then Did you bike here tonight? Of course Of course I did. This is a silly question I saw a guy biking here, biking on the way here tonight Yes, it was me. It was me I have a question for either Robin or maybe Derek, but I don't understand this It was item nine on the staff Recommendations The whole sewer capacity, voluntary permit Revocation Yes, that's what jim to address required. There's a lot of projects been through about approved. They were allocated Standards and they were never built And we can't get that back. So now we get everybody to sign off in this So if the project isn't built we can get it back Somewhere else like in the time near obviously Would it be also applicable if let's say they were approved for 100 gallons and they only ended up on You could prove that they only 30 would the building be able to take back 70. Absolutely. All right, so that's about the bottom There you go We don't want the allocations with people using this Are we getting close to capacity? That's why I can work it in here. They will be building last time I have a question for you guys. Do we have to issue a waiver for the parking? It's in this staff It is on there I didn't think we had a parking requirement Well for the commercial commercial They're short two and a half spaces It's based on scripted They don't have the park street school and all that part There's a lot of traffic in there. There's a lot of extra parking there. That's only at Dave's now with the General Wesson's pink carpet he parks his employees parking there During the day while it's public parking. Yep. The very first sentence of the parking section says Due to the unique characteristics of the district no minimum parking requirements are established However, the planning commission may require parking as part of any site plan approval. So it's I don't think we have to grant a waiver I think I think we would just have to make it clear if we're going to require If you go further into it and look at the parking section It says how many parking spaces are required to have to score footage for retail commercial. That's right. That's if we chew That's a general thing and then this chapter supersedes that. Yeah, I would remove Joe I have a an answer for the Employees parking there because all the village has to do is say, okay, it's only two other parking make something like that And then that problem goes away. It becomes a sustained crisis problem to figure out how to park their employees So if the village wants more municipal parking, they kind of have it all I mean, I don't think we need to grant a waiver, but if you feel more comfortable with us Well, that was you know, yeah, that was the thought of the public works superintendent. I mean there's seven department heads Comment on this No, they said that they would like us to I think it usually I'm trying to find it, but it's right. If it's if it's spelled out specifically In the village center district, then it would trump that other section. I agree. I'm just trying to find it Uh Well, there's pen at the bottom, but there's a whole Pull off on the bottom, but then we can make that pull off bigger The job We'd actually look at street Okay, are you guys all set? I moved that we approved the project with the conditions listed in the staff Second Uh, before I do that before I So what do we what's the feeling on the waiver? I'm still confused about that Well, the waiver's in the conditions in the staff. The waiver's in the conditions. It's already there. So we don't need to make a motion Okay, all right. That's good. So I'm sorry. You had a second. Yeah, okay Any more comments questions before All finger Motion passes Thank you very much So, uh Before we adjourn, is there anything else Robin, do we have anything else to make? Um Master plan. Okay. Is that winner? So when's our next meeting? Well, they couldn't make the one that we offered them seven It's possible to be uh, maybe rob. Do you want any one? Hey, don you have to go What was water Oh, we might have to go about it. Is it because it's in the village? Okay, so I don't know Okay, anything else besides what robin just said We can close the meeting Do I have a motion to close the meeting? There you go. All fair. Thank you. Good job, everyone I have no idea. All right, this is the first I'm hearing