 We are in Berlin at the fixed-point mobile drug-consumption unit and I'm talking to Sebastian who is a social worker and working for the Neukölln Drug-Consumption Mobile Unit or how do you say that? Can you just tell us more about this service and when it was started and what kind of people do you serve? Of course, we are located in Neukölln since 2021. We are close to the underground, the line U8, a very famous one and on this line we have a lot of people who use drugs. There's a park close to the station and it's a park where people use drugs. So can you talk us about what we want to see here? We see here a table, a seat. Here people can sit down and take the drugs. At first I have to wash their hands to show what they want to take, what drug they have to show us. It's forbidden to share the drugs but I have to use her own drugs. One of our major aims is HIV and hepatitis prevention among drug users. We want to have here a room for people to consume at a safe place without pressure and here we have the possibility to address the people with safer use information. We have a lot of stuff here, we have needles, we have water and here we have tiny, prepared kids. We give kids to the people, to the drug users and then it starts. And then the main drug is heroin, right? Yes, heroin and cocaine. They're shooting cocaine? Yes, they're shooting cocaine. On different places in the city you have the people prefer other substances. On one location more heroin, on the other location more cocaine. Is there a difference between who uses cocaine and who uses heroin? Is it maybe more rich or rich people use cocaine? No. If there is no difference? No, no, no difference, no. People who use this offering often homeless and the crack use increased over the last five, six years. And it's a new phenomenon in Berlin. In the future we hope we can provide a smoking possibility for crack users and for heroin users who want to smoke and don't inject. Fixport was founded in 1989 and we started with a vending machine project in Berlin. Now we have 19 vending machines in the whole city and in the 19s we get the first vans. And now we have two counseling vans and we have two drug consumption units and a medical vantu and yeah, we are growing. This is our counseling van. Here we have the possibility to take back savages. And here we have a little service area for coffee and tea. Here we can see the used stuff. When it's full we close it and bring it to a special place for this stuff. And normally the people are on the streets and we give it to the people, the needles and stuff. Here we have different needles, we have cooker, we have filters, escubines. We have everything you need for safe injection. Here you provide the testing also? We provide here the testing but normally we have another medical van so it's better prepared for this. But here we are testing too. It's forbidden here to inject, it's only possible in this other van. We have to go with two vans because we need a social worker when we want to run the service. Do you have blood on your hands? Yes, I don't. He can disinfect his hands. Here the social worker peers and in this van are nurses or medical staff and so we are working together. And you sit down and are giving a consultation? Yes, here we can give a consultation. We have a computer, we have a mobile, we try to support the people on the streets. Do we have underwear? Yes, we do. Do you want to go over there? How many clients do you serve? Here in this van located in Neukölln, maybe five to ten in four or five hours. It's not that much but often they repeat consumption. And you said that you want to make a smoking room? Yes. Would it be a different bus? No, it would be the same bus with a facility inside. The cabin? How the needs of the CREC users are different from the other users? Can you talk about that? Yes, the craving is high so they need a lot of consumption units and a lot of CREC users want to consume in a group and it's not possible here. It's not the best setting in the van for CREC users but we have no other opportunities. How many drug consumption rooms or buses are in Berlin? Only two. And it's only buses or there are fixed... No, we have fixed rooms, we have fixed facilities. Two in Mitte, two in Kreuzberg and one in Neukölln, fixed places. And if you could meet with Herr Scholz and ask something from him like what governments should do, what would you say to him? We need to decriminalize every substance and legalize all substances for the people because when they don't get arrested, when they have the opportunity without pressure to use the drugs it's the best way to have harm reduction intervention. But in Germany you can have a prescribed medical heroin, right? Yes. You have to take the morphine in the location, we have no possibility to take home. Do you think your clients also need medical heroin? We have a lot of substance for substitution and it's one important substance for the substitution treatment but we need all, the people have different needs so we need the whole range. Do you have any problems with the police? We have another view on the people, the police, there are conflicts of course but we try to manage the conflicts, we gave no names, no data to the police. And with the people who are living in non-drug user neighborhoods? Yes, it depends where you are. So in a current we have no huge problems but the people there have problems with needles in the parks. It's from the vending machine. Normally we have colored pumps and this model is from the vending machine. Here you can see somebody has to open it. If they use a counter inside the needle, it tries. Why? Because if they have access to it? Because they are hoping that in the filter it's heroin inside, you know? They use a trice. It's horrible. So they want to collect stuff from it. Yeah, exactly. So actually the final solution would be to give them heroin. Yes, that's the final solution. Exactly. And a home. Everybody is talking about healthcare offerings and services but the main thing is that the people need flat, they need meals. And then you have... Yeah, exactly. Do you include somehow the clients? Is there any user group or organization that represents the drug users? Yes, in Berlin we have Balloon, an NGO for drug use people from Washington speaking areas. And yes, it's a very good organization and we're working together. And we have, yes, Junkies, Ema Ege and so on. We have a group who mainly are political activists. Do you have Naloxone? Yes, we have Naloxone here because we have here medical staff and nurses. So it's allowed to have it here. Have you ever had overdoses? Of course, a lot. And you reversed that with Naloxone, right? Yes, it's the best opportunity to save life, to save the life of drug users. It's not the main goal to reduce the open drug scene in the public. It's an aim, it's one aim, but at first we are here for a healthcare service. We want people to be healthy and that they don't infect it with HIV and hepatitis. We want to save lives.