 All right, this meeting has been recorded so that at a later date our information technology department can upload it to the town of Amherst YouTube channel and my camera is off today because I am working from home. Okay, thank you Angela. So we're meeting virtually pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2021 and I'm going to ask each of you to register your presence vocally so we know that you can hear and be heard. So, Anika. Yeah. Alex Lopez. Here. And Alex Lefebvre is present so. Great. So the first item on our agenda is approval of the minutes of March 22, 2022. Oh, hey Austin we just started. Can you hear me Austin. Cool. All right. So, is there a motion to approve the minutes of March 22. Move to approve the minutes. Great. So a second. Second. Great. Any discussion of the minutes. Okay. Hearing none. Go ahead and take a vote. And Nika. Yes. Alex. Yeah. And Austin. Yes. And Alex Lefebvre is a yes. So the main thing on our agenda today is the May 1 May 1st community outreach event. And I wanted to, as a preface to that conversation, there were two questions that this committee asked of the Jones Library building committee to help us sort of move forward. And I wanted to, since not everybody on this subcommittee was able to attend the main meeting. Last one we had, I just wanted to relay that information. So one of the questions is we had one of the OPM to talk about what the public can influence around public outreach. And so the comment that we got back was that, especially at this stage in the process very early on, we want to collect as much information as possible. But with the understanding that not everything that's being suggested is going to affect the building. And so in doing this, it's an opportunity for outreach and design to call through the feedback of the public. And then, if for example, we're receiving a lot of community feedback. Let's just say for, you know, a sensory room for, you know, people on the autism spectrum, I'm just randomly throwing something out there. It then guides the focus and attention for the continuation of the design of developing the designs for the library. So what the OPM talked about was essentially making sure we have a clear structure for areas where the community can give feedback and those areas where things can't be changed. So for example, the square footage of the building is the square footage of the building that's not going to change significantly. So getting commentary that we think the library should be smaller isn't going to be productive for the community and that's just setting up an expectation that, you know, we don't want to do. There's also some minimum things that we've committed to the library committed to around sustainability. And so, you know, anything more than that is certainly a conversation for the community but we certainly can't decide to suddenly not have the sustainability pieces that we committed to. So historic preservation also has some sort of minimum levels like the sustainability, the exterior of the 1928 portion of the building has a historic preservation restriction agreement on it. So we cannot, no matter how much we would want to do certain things around the library, you know, relative to the exterior because we are required to maintain that. And also, anything relative to that would have to be approved by the historic commission. And the other piece of that is that we are pursuing a fair bit of money with Massachusetts historic tax credits. And so the requirements of the state to actually receive those tax credits are going to guide a lot of also what can be done so anytime we're sort of talking about those areas, I think it's important that the public understand that there are certain parameters around those pieces. So we have an existing building program in place. So, and I think that was sort of where the May 1 event we got around sort of the idea of these having this program in tables and so those would be our actually our, our different program building elements program spaces and so getting feedback on what those spaces should look like feel like etc. So to that end at our last meeting we had talked about a May 1 event that got signed off by the Jones library building committee as a go forward. Based on the feedback from this committee. The structure that's being contemplated is an open house from 12 to two on May 1. And we did 12 to two because there is another event going on in town. The May 1 two to five on the town common is the linguistic diversity day it's the final celebration of linguistic heritage month. And so the idea was that people could go straight from this event to that event which is providing food with families of kids from the school. So, what was discussed was having an open house where we would have each program element. And I think per any suggestion it's basically an opportunity for community to come in, get information, talk to other community members get excited get information. And so to that and we're looking at staffing each station with a library staff or committee member of some sort, but then also members of the community who either have a particular expertise passion, etc. With that particular program. I think that's the big picture unless and you want to add anything to that. Thank you for that cover. Okay, so I think some of the key things we want to do today is go through what was in the meeting packet was sort of the tables the building program elements is there anything we're missing from that. So, I think we have 14 tables assigned, I don't know if we want a 15th one as like the information like people want to go and ask questions about what is the committee, what's the process, you know getting those kinds of details. And then the library started reaching out to community members staff members and committee members to see whether or not they could come in and, you know, work these tables. We have tables to fill. So a lot of suggestions needed from either us for the community about who might be interested in coming in to play that role. And then talking about, you know, how are we advertising for this. What do we want to have at each table, sort of all of those details. So with that I'm going to see if anyone has an idea like anywhere you want to start here. Oh, we lost Alex. Well, he's back. Welcome back Alex. I can give a taste just for who's been reached out to so far. So, yes, I love this idea of merging the community members either with interest and or passion with, you know, library staff I think that that is going to expand our audience a great deal. So we may have Dr. Melka Shevaz join us today I know he's trying to and he's absolutely interest he's interested in being a part of special collections table as a as a historian. I think that my mother Deborah Bridges is also, you know, was asked and is interested to come over there as well. So that could be a fun combination. Also, another longtime generational family member that I have on the radar who I hope will join us. I did speak earlier with community member make gauge who is interested in helping out and with a table. So I just myself have been talking to, you know, different community members around that are, you know, have different interests. So we can bring in as much diversity around that with people who not only have different interests that all really intersect with what the library has to offer. But also, you know, are they'll be able to reach out to different areas of community and whether that is reintroducing them to what's going on with the library and bringing them in as well as new folks as well. So I think that, you know, especially once, you know, these hosts are better engaged once we have invitations once we have at least like, let's say the date or flyer will be really helpful and I think we'll move, because we, you know, everyone that I've talked to is really interested in this so it's a matter of some of them coordinating does that day were for them and get back so I mean we may end up having a list longer than the tables that we have. That's great. Thanks. I just wanted to ask if there were opportunities for us to also involve our school librarians and use ARPS as a means to get the word out to families. Absolutely. I don't think we've we haven't talked yet about the advertising piece. But yeah, I think any, any means necessary. I know in the Jones Library Building Committee meeting that we had the town manager and finance director had talked about also one using using the downtown websites but then also to the extent that we could use the schools and their outreach. I think we talked about the superintendent newsletter that goes out every Friday. You know, I don't know if it's a fairly long letter I don't know we need to get above above Amherst survival center and maybe in between soccer I don't know that's where in the newsletter but yeah absolutely Alex I think that's that's good. So I guess from this committee, do we. One do we want to look at the different program tables and comment on those do we want to leave that up to sort of what the library is created. Essentially all of our programs plus we added a dream board and the idea for the dream board is, you know, if you, those are the places to put the ideas that are likely not going to go into the into the building they may not affect the building but who knows they might I mean if enough people in the community are saying one thing and it makes sense and it's doable then you know who knows we don't, you know, we want to get that that feedback but putting it in a place where we understand that this is sort of a dream board not a, if I write it on here it should happen kind of thing. Would it make sense to have the parameters board or premise table maybe next to that, just as a reminder of, you know where the the ins and outs are. Sure. There to do that so that's clear. Okay. So, I'm going to add on to Anika's. So some of the people that we've reached out to at the library. So one of the elements that will be more developed in the new library space is sort of the social work literacy area and so I don't know how much people realize that we have a space for a social worker in residence. And so Earl Miller the new head of crest has already come to the library and talked about being in the library and is actually doing a lot of things with the library and so Earl Miller is actually going to come be at that table as well as sort of talk about the crest program and how it will work with the library, as well as hopefully somebody from the literacy project which will also relocate there but they have a fundraiser the same day that may not be a possibility. So we have for universal design we have somebody from the disability access advisory committee in town who's agreed to come as well as some community members who have a lot of experience and passion around around the need for accessible and universal design. We have a lot of people who have interest but we also have a lot of blank spaces to fill so big part of our, what we need to be doing is figuring out how to reach into the community to get more people coming to help out to make it really a community event. So we will reach out to pretty much every town organization and that we have and I'm also noticing that we have good one Memorial and the church with us and so that could be, you know, another avenue to reach out to different churches and the Jewish community center the Jewish community center this could all be our way and if we have like I know we will have social media fires but if we're able to have maybe a printed fire at least a few that could go into different places I know well not everyone is open but those who are open that can help. So I guess I just want to throw out to the group I mean what you know Alex what do you, if at all, what do you envision so it's an open house, we're going to have it for two hours from 12 to one we're going to have children's programming which will act as childcare we couldn't do it the whole two hours but we figured an hour is great. You know, so somebody walks in it's an open house they could spend 20 minutes they could spend all two hours wandering from table to table. What is a committee care where the tables are placed do we want to leave that up to the library. What do we, like, do we want there to be a map do we want to leave that up to the like do how much do we want to sort of outline versus how much do we want to just say to the library, you know it's an open house these are the tables. What are what are people thinking. And what does it look like when you go in at a table, because they're a flip chart or their stickies, you know, are people going to have I mean people have thoughts about how we prepare our community volunteers who are coming in. What to expect what we want them to do. What's their goal. I personally feel it's their house. They probably would know the best setup as long and they would know where to be accessible I think signage and being clear for you know there will be some people who might want to do the rounds and check out every table, and then that may just want to go to their points of interest so I think if you know it's clear to allow people to linger or be in and out whichever they have the time for would be great but I think. I mean if we look I think it might be a little difficult for us here to tell them how to set up the tables I would trust that they would set them up in the best way possible. Alex you have any thoughts or ideas. I totally agree with that I mean. The question of like what does. What does it look like in my head is like it starts with a lot of blank pieces of paper and end with a lot of full pieces of paper. And I trust that. I think art community will be able to fill up as much as we can give them space to and so this challenge ourselves to give them as much space as possible. You know I think just on the dream. This sort of like wish list piece if there's a way for us to set it up so that that's the last thing. I think it's a really good way for us to check in with ourselves of did we capture as much as possible. If the wish list is super full at the end of the night, then we probably can take a look to see what we missed right if the wish list is pretty empty because people have gotten their thoughts in the other 14 tables. Then we've got a pretty good grasp of where we're listening feedback if that makes sense. Do we have any, I mean, this is what three, three and a half, almost a month out. Do we have any sort of minimums as a committee that we want to sort of try to commit to when we have an event and I'm thinking things like the childcare that we're providing. I think the library is conveniently located on public transportation to some extent that it takes care of the transportation issue. You know translation services I mean are there any sort of minimums that we want to and that could be through volunteers in the community. We have a really strong ESL program you know who knows. So, are there anything that we sort of want to make sure that is happening whenever we do an event. Just any event that we do specifically at the library or. Yeah, I mean I think anytime we're doing a community outreach event do we sort of have like a minimum that we want to ensure that we can have the, as many people in the community participate as possible and removing as many barriers as possible. I think that I think the child care was a great idea. And child care refreshments. You know, I mean seating I think that that would be probably taken care of with the with the library maybe not as much so if we do something that is out without within the community, which I do think at some point that we should think about actually going out into the community as well maybe you know as we discussed before partnering with events that are already going on somewhere and you know help helping them out and having a presence there as well. I mean that's always draw people I think of you the information refreshments, making sure it's accessible and, you know, update is great. And I think also carrying on from this May 1 event, hopefully utilizing and having some of these members carry that on with us so as we are going to other events, we're just kind of bringing that whole community feel with us and hopefully having us as well being invited to come and to come to other events and partner to get the word out as well. So, one of the things I was thinking about, and I would be interested to hear from everybody else about each table is large blank pieces of paper per Alex. But also, maybe a place where people can sign up and leave their contact information like I want anytime anything's happening on teens like I want to be there or you know it just gives people an opportunity to either sign up generally or sign up to keep to stay informed about that specific program so a sign up sheet. I also thought it might be nice for each table to have maybe a little bit of information about the program. Like for example, you know, you know, right now, social worker and residents there's no square footage because they're, you know, we don't have it but it'll be 104 square feet is done or you know something to give people an idea of, you know, now this is what we have. This is what's being envisioned so you're not just saying we have a team space but you're saying it's a team space that's x square feet which I think helps people maybe a little bit in terms of understanding what's currently being visioned and what they can add on to or give more details. Makes sense. I just want to say kudos to all those people who have a lot better spatial visualization than I do because square footage is not my strong suit. And I really appreciate the way that that it's played or that it has been supported and talked about here. I think that just on like the norms. One thing that I want to say is a, I sort of want to push ourselves to like with each event, try to try something new in our invitation or advertisement. We're not just advertising in the same places to the same people, but that we're being conscious of what is one new thing we're going to try so that we potentially reach a new demographic. And specifically one, one that I want to just keep bringing up is like, how do we reach out to those people who felt that they were excluded from the conversation right and would the, with the folks who were talking a lot about this but from the side of not wanting to see it be renovated come and give their ideas in this moment. Do you have any thoughts Alex about how to do that. I mean, ostensibly, someone was putting up signs that said vote no. And those people have a list of where they dropped off their signs I would imagine. And so if we could reach out to that person and say, we'd like to, you know, we want to open this event up to you and your folks and like, this is a reality for our future. We, we want this to be a conversation and not just amongst people who voted desperate. And on a positive note we have at least two of those people who are, you know, in support and will be helping with the tables for the May 1 event so I think that that's also will be helpful. Yeah, and I definitely agree with you with the visuals I'm a very visual person, but like I know sometimes when people hear like 100 script I'm not necessarily like the square foot visual person, but people sometimes here like 100 square feet they're like that sounds so small but then it's like if you have a visual and these are usually for spaces where it's one on one, then you know they can see like this as an intimate space, which, which then makes sense. But yeah, so I don't know I mean I'm sure if we're having all this maybe like the. I'm sure there'll be a map. Right well I shouldn't say I'm sure, but if there's a map of the building kind of where the programs are maybe you know color code where people can get an idea. So, so here's where it gets interesting. So, so there is a schematic design that was created by the architects back in 2006 team when thank you. It's been long but not that long in 2016 that was submitted with the application. And that had all of the program elements in certain places, and then the sustainability committee requested changes around creating a net zero ready building. And also the Massachusetts Board of Library commissioners wanted our large meeting room relocated to a different space and as the largest room in the building. Everything shifted. So our current schematic design is just that so I mean at one of the schematic design I think I provided in the last meeting packet was that design with the library actually putting their own ideas so things aren't settled at this point and that's exactly I guess the point of talking to the public like the public's not going to inform where things go in the building because that's a jigsaw puzzle left to the architects and the library in terms of what works best but we don't necessarily have. We don't have a schematic where we can say this is where it's going to be located because that's all still going to be sorted out that's part of the process that we're going through right now is ultimately where things go. And we do know the rough square footage of it. So I'm not sure we will get to a point where we can show pictures, which is not necessarily there yet. I don't think. We have library staff as long as the as long as the folks who are at the tables, have all the tools that they need to best communicate and, you know, answer questions within reason and and they're aware of where the parameters are and I would imagine that so because they would have someone from staff with them as well. But if if if people are spread out and we have more tables I think is, as long as people have as much and they're armed and powered with as much information as possible I imagine that as it says especially the first one and formal and as we move on I think we'll have more concrete information. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So having, having put forward for the staff to be able to take information for when they need to follow up with someone is going to be really important because I know I often hear someone say something at this sort of thing and then I'm like I think I get that and then on Monday I'm like, what was that. Yeah, okay. So I guess, relative to the May one event, and he is working on the invite. And then also any key you've had some conversations, we've had some conversations with the community participation officers. I don't know if you want to share a little bit about that where you are. Yeah, so yeah, so we did have a great conversation with community participation officer and many other things Brianna, rather town hall and that was a really nice conversation. And also, she's willing to help us as much as she can time a lot it and she was talking about a program that I believe she'll come in and talk with us about excited I will mess up the name and all the other things but this program basically provides additional tools for outreach to make it more convenient for people and accessible for people to be able to participate within online meetings so and then just in general outreach getting worked out. So I think that will be very beneficial for us. We also have Jennifer moist and who is going to be scheduling a meeting with all of the CPOs which will be helpful. So that I think that that's going to be exciting for us. And then there's also Sammy the owl who I was introduced to today and Sharon chair was just was great about that she just yes for input and she has a youth group that you know will be kind of Sammy will have a spring makeover and yeah so have like just some pop and whatever and hopefully that's something that you know we can interchange by keeping that fresh with invites but then bringing it back and connectedness of the I'm Sammy and I was quite excited to to learn the author and I'm a fan and the illustrator so I think that this is you know just a community like this is, you know, an illustration from the community about the library I think that's great we're also looking at images of there was a tree with hands this type of thing like that that was growing and I think you know that could be more of our motto so to speak or metaphor because we have this expanded growing new library and we're you know we're definitely tasked for expanding the audience and the community that will utilize the library and fill it up so I think that will be great and was there. I also wanted to point out that the group that Brianna will be introduced as to they were specifically introduced interested rather in working with us so I think the community participation officers in addition to the community that we're working out with that's in different areas I mean I feel like you know we're in a better place to go much of action like I feel action now around this so I think that's great. Thanks. So before I move on to the next agenda item I guess I want to just check in with this group and find out our folks comfortable with any kind of rolling with the invite and then you know we're going to use. You know the schools, the community participation officers, the community partners of the library as well as volunteers I mean I don't know the extent to which this community wants to sort of like sign off on the flyer or or who the initial outreach goes to or whether you know. We let the library do its outreach plus what we're doing and sort of see where we are and then as Alex said at the next meeting we see you know how do we maybe need to communicate differently or do things differently. Do we need to meet again to plan further may one or do we have we do we feel like we've said enough about what we want to see happen. Thanks Alex. I want to go back to the point that I think both an ego and Xander made. And that is the question of how much is it going to mean to anybody to say it's 150 square feet. So the question that I'd like to just return to is whether or not the existing schematic designs as tentative and revised and they are going to be should be there. We're on the library website. So, I just think it would be helpful to people, you know with all the qualifications that things are going to move to get a sense of what it is that people were imagining in the first phase of the schematics. And I think you might want to talk with Sharon and, you know, get her thoughts about this but I just worry that if there's nothing there. I mean, I, you know, speaking for myself, I think I'm best able to begin with something and then react to it, as opposed to just tell us what you want in the room. The image of what that looks like and where it is, you know, located though it might change might be helpful. Thanks. Anyone else comments before on May 1. I agree with what Austin just said is I think you know when you look at you know some of the best visioning sessions happen when there's either a whether it's a virtual or a model of what you're talking about. So even, you know, if it isn't perfect something where you could get an idea of it, at least be descriptive of what that's like because you know for a lot of people you're right if you just tell them swear footage doesn't really doesn't mean anything. That's possible. And my concern if we, I think it might be helpful. I don't know if we have to schedule a meeting on this date but if we have a good amount of community members that are ready and willing to participate it might be helpful to have a meeting to hear their thoughts and just kind of be on the same page. So I think it might be helpful for the event to hear their questions if they have any and ensure that all of the tables are set up. Yeah, I agree. Anything else. I guess the only other thing that I just want to name is May 1. May 1 is International Workers Day. And so I have not been part of the labor movement in Western math enough to know if that is going to class with anything that is planned elsewhere, but just wanted to acknowledge that in a previous life in Chicago if you tried to reach me on May 1 you would not. Okay. Thanks, Alex. I think at this point, I think we have enough people with it penciled on their calendar that we should move forward, but that's good to know. Okay, so the next item on the agenda was just talking a little bit about a preliminary outreach plan so we know. Oh, the last thing I wanted to say too was that we also will at some point circle back with the OPM prior to this event. Just to make sure that we sort of have everything we need from the OPM, you know, they will be working with us as well in terms of just information and how we're communicating the public and documents and things like that. Preliminary outreach plan. So over the next four to six months let's say this is what made it could be OPM is because that will date will be more certain is really probably the most critical time to be meeting with the public and terms of where the most public feedback can be incorporated into the designs because the further along we get the tighter the designs get and the less room there is for feedback. So recognizing that I wanted to get a sense of what the community, what this group envisions over the next four to six months, you know, frequency of how many events do we want to try and do. Are they online versus out in person are they some at the library some out in the community. Are you know what should we be using these meetings that we're having, you know, part of the meeting for admin and part as a community outreach session and so just want to get some thoughts and feedback around sort of the next six months and if people have thoughts about that. While we during this time where there's as much flexibility and freedom so to speak with this that we would probably I would I would think have more meetings to this is also engaging creating larger email lists and getting people's information. And as we move forward where we're moving larger passing along the information back and forth and where we're you know getting getting tighter in terms of what can and cannot happen and having to make decisions and, you know, zoom or this type of meeting that's more administrative and administrative rather would become more appropriate and appropriate more frequent. Alex or Austin, you guys have any thoughts. Sure, I agree I think we ought to meet as much as possible with in many places as possible we ought to be going to rather than having people coming to. It's good start to have them come to but it's really good to go to the thing that was in my head is that the process right will be iterative at some point. Oh, the, in the design development schematic and then the design development choices are going to have to be made. And we'll want to engage people in a conversation about we thought we could do this and this but maybe we can only do this. And I think we want to keep that in mind that as we go on we want to make sure that people are helping us when the choices need to be need to be made. And working as you said with the opm to get a clear sense of what that timeline is. I think is the key to guiding what what how the outreach process should look as we go as we go forward. Yeah, and my understanding that's what I was incredibly inarticulately trying to say a minute ago was that the opm before this may one event we will have a better sense of the timeline and so our information table will have some of the information that we don't quite have yet because at the last meeting, the committee voted to authorize the town manager to move forward with the designer, which is sort of the thing we've been waiting to do for the process to get going so. Yeah, I would just say. We should be able to tell people on May 1 when the next meeting is where it's going to be so that we keep building one thing to another. And I love the idea of having it moved to different places so also somewhere in that in each event, giving ourselves the space to capture would you be interested in having a committee meeting near you. Okay. So we have six people in the audience today. One who has a hand raised but I know we were hoping to have some folks in the audience today because would love some public feedback or thoughts around you know that may one event future events what people would like to see what would be helpful. That kind of thing so with that. And if someone wants to participate and provide some information or has a question just go ahead and raise your hand. And Angela can you let in Kami which looks like you have already done that. So Kami you're in the room you seem to unmute there you go. There we go. Hi. Hi. Because I raised my hand earlier. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm so sorry I just missed my husband for the first time. Are you responding as I raised my hand earlier. Your hand was up and we were to public comment and we're inviting anybody. Great. I am well I I passingly when we're talking about advertising this event. I haven't heard you mentioned the friends. And so I'm here to be manning a table on the disability access availability and accessibility for the disabled community. But also, if there's things like refreshments are talking about outreach. Definitely I'm happy to to discuss this with the friends at our next meeting but they should be in on this if they aren't already. Yes, thank you know that's an excellent point which I did not mention I did mention this to yes, I have made that comment about the friends and we were I think just sort of getting a loose date but just getting I can take this to Marion is a new president, and we can get like would we like to have if the friends is great for trying to organize sort of welcoming or even staffing it a little bit to direct people or, or have a big sale or something like that. I think that might sound that may not be what we're looking for but they're often good for that. Anyone comment thoughts, I think the friends are wonderful we definitely want to have all of the friends involved in this for sure. So, they could be involved in some at some other level but anyway, if that was wanted. They could do that. Yeah, absolutely. And that was it. Thank you. Yeah, no if you if you want to take that back to the friends. I'm as, as long as the library is okay with freshmen's I assume that would be out on the lawn kind of thing and like refreshments stay outside I don't know exactly what that looks like yet you would probably be better than you guys. I also know that we still are predominantly masked in the library it's optional but most people do mask in the library. You know what it might be too complicated this time around that's exactly right. Okay. Yeah, so. So maybe we don't do the refreshments for this one maybe that's when we go out to the community and we make sure we have refreshments. But definitely to the extent that the friends are interested in helping us to staff the tables and in outreach that is 100% desirable welcome and would be fabulous. Okay, so. So that's another conversation to get specifics on what you're looking for I think they love to. So let's just do a little outreach before our next meeting and find out what what tables need staffing or what could be helpful there. Great. That would be perfect thank you. Okay. Thanks Kimmy appreciate it. Anyone else out in the audience have anything they want to question thoughts. Okay, seeing no hands. Okay. I think those are the main things that we wanted to cover today. So is there an interest in using these meetings as we go forward as maybe part of the meeting being sort of the administrative thing and part of it being inviting community or people are into this meeting to discuss different things. For example, you know, inviting, whether you know it's any cause mom or or or Miller to come in and sort of talk about, you know, what, what things would look like in either special collections or your I don't know if there's an interest in sort of using these meetings as community outreach not just 100% you know, administrative. I think. I'm sorry, my apologies. No, it's okay I was just saying I agree I think it's more engaged way to connect people, introduce people, you know, I mean we can be building community and doing outreach like well I think we should like we should be doing outreach within the meeting. And I think that's an excellent way to do it. Yeah, I was gonna say I could even imagine using sort of using the people who are staffing the tables are not using the people but empowering the people who are staffing the tables to report back in future meetings, knowing that we probably wouldn't be able to get in there from all 14 of them in just one meeting but if we can break that out. So that we're getting not only those who have volunteered to lend their expertise but also to capture what they heard from the community as well. I think it might be a really good way for us to stay in touch with everyone. Yeah, that could be our next meeting was like the next two three depending on you know how many people there are biting them and whatever that whatever the topics are can be in that meeting. And then just on a on a side note are always not the next meeting okay I'm going to be gone for one of our meetings so I just somebody will have to report into will be April break. I will not be here. Okay, good. Unless anyone has anything else they want to. I think we're, we're done. I'm going to go ahead and call the meeting. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for everything. Thank you, Alex. Thank you, Angela. Thank you. Awesome. We're adjourned. Bye.