 So I think the first thing I wanted to say is I watched your documentary which I'd say it's focused on Brazil and Jiu Jitsu and how it helps people grow as individuals and it just like it touches a lot of different fields but basically sorry no no so yeah I really liked it I think I'd suggest everyone highly to watch it and I'm sure we'll get we'll get back to it soon enough about the the documentary but also what you just slightly mentioned in the documentary and I know because we both know Francisco de los Cobos uh that he he mentioned that you used to do aikido quite a bit I guess in the past yes yes like 13 years okay plenty really intensive you know yeah right so I guess you we have a similar journey and it wasn't so you touched that a little bit in your in your documentary it wasn't like the whole main subject but but clearly we have a lot in common so so I want to touch both subjects of your transition from like you know to percentage jitsu in your perspective like what made you fall in love with percentage jitsu but as we start like the first thing I wanted to ask you is could you say like a recap like how would you describe your documentary about BJJ okay it's like a personal journey into the BJJ and also I wanted to to do it like I mean everybody knows BJJ now because MMA and because of the pro fighters but there's something special in BJJ that they have more practitioners than followers you know in opposite of MMA so I wanted to approach this perspective like normal people common people you know I really like a lot of that in martial arts the the common common people perspective it's it's it's really big and no one's talking about it you know that's what that's the main thing for me yeah I mean I really go to my perspective there's no there's impossible way to do like like a really final word but I tried to do it yeah yeah I think you you did a great job and I liked it a lot also too I fell in love with percentage jitsu as well and there's I used to notice a lot of things which I like a lot in it like how it would help people develop and change and in the whole aspect of kind of it destroying people's egos and people becoming more humble I just and I spoke about it once in a while in my videos but I never like it was always in the back of my mind but I never really fully like articulated it but then when I watched your documentary so many of the thoughts that and insights I had about was in jitsu like I felt like okay this is great and this is great you really touched all of those so I was like good job man thank you so one one thing which I'm very interested to ask you is uh so we both used to be acuto practitioners we actually did it for a similar amount of time and now you are the percentage is a practitioner I from what I understand you don't practice like you know anymore no okay so I guess you know when somebody asks me that I think I wonder if that's the same that went for your mind where I'm like well I kind of practice like you know in everyday life but not like I keep on the tatani so so there's always this middle answer um but so what do you think because basically I guess directly from wrong but basically you quit aikido and now you're very enthusiastic about percentage jitsu uh well it's quit I mean stopped the akito so what do you feel made you fall in love with percentage jitsu after akito like what what was that thing okay it's very practical answer you know yeah and in aikido I was more fat because you didn't do the same exercise I mean it's really weird because in aikido you do a lot of exercise and and my type of body it's going fat if I don't do exercise you know yeah and when I started jiu-jitsu maybe more at the beginning I I lose a lot of weight you know and also it wasn't like the point of doing jiu-jitsu it's really fun yeah and it it makes me go in you made me real better shape that I have before doing so that's one yeah the other one is that in aikido there's a lot of false proof how do you say it false proof makes that that makes sense yeah and I mean in Mexico I don't know well kind of I I would when I say like you know these days I try to distinguish from Japan versus west but or east versus west but in Europe from what I experienced yeah I'd say the same thing yeah so maybe not not in a main it's more like like some of the characters that goes to do aikido develop that and it should be the opposite you know maybe not the sensei but it's really weird that there are some practitioners people that practice aikido that that the ego goes if you don't control it the ego goes like math you know I mean it happened to me that's why I kind of know that feeling that maybe you can move things with your mind yeah and I'm exaggerating but sure yeah but I know but but when you are practicing aikido there's there's something like you think that you could defeat and maybe really child's thoughts but you think that you could defeat a guy on the street and I don't know since I was since I in BJJ I don't want to fight in the street anymore it's not my need I don't think about that and it's really it's really different but I miss aikido a lot really sometimes I surprise myself dreaming about a class of aikido and I would go I have to go back to the door I don't because I don't have time now but it's it's a really nice subject to talk about and recently I I give a class of aikido and BJJ together I call some some friends from from aikido call me and I wanted to teach like a mixed class class and it was really nice you know because I really what I really miss about aikido is a class when no one is talking and going going back to that it was really nice so that was like how your aikido classes would be because I experienced both some would be very strict about not speaking some would be just criticizing each other all the time you're telling each other how you're doing the technique wrong I hate that I used to hate that but so you were in a in a school which was very silent right yeah and I really like that nice because good yeah good gives you gives you another kind of language you know I think that they do it because of that because you don't have to think the techniques you have to see the techniques and and then put it on your body on your body movements and if they speak you have to think I think that they do it because of that and I really miss that yeah it's just out of curiosity let's say hypothetically if we would put that same aspect into Brazilian jutsu no talking do you think you like that or what do you think like what's your gut feeling and I think they they won't like this what about yourself personally that's a difficult because I think that activity belongs to aikido you know mm-hmm if you change it you will have to see but I think they won't like it because the jutsu is really free you know what made me fall in love is that I was in a class the sensei was teaching a technique and it was interrupted but for a minute for some student and they said oh yeah it's better in the student way you know and that's that's never gonna happen you're right yeah well um yeah I agree with you and it's you made me remember something it's it's something I'm planning to make a video about I haven't yet at least the time of us talking I was contacted by a person who's training aikido in Japan for the past like 20 or 15 years or so he didn't want to go on record although I was asking to do the him to do that but off record we spoke about the difference between aikido can you hear me well by the way is that you sound okay so yeah we spoke about the difference between aikido in japan versus the west and he convinced me I had that feeling that it may be already different but he convinced me like yeah it's it's true and sorry that the senseis are very humble but that's also you know that's that's part of the culture I think that's that's where that's the culture where aikido works because the people there tend to be humble already and then you have those senses which are super humble they don't talk about you know the depths of the universe they actually they present themselves as you know I don't have a clue you know I've been doing aikido only for 50 years so and and everybody and the other thing is everybody does it in silence and that gentleman that I was talking to he mentioned about uh some people who who are struggling with like PTSD you know PTSD right so so yeah and then they would find that practice to be very healing they they like it a lot and I think that like as you described aikido has that kind of a clean aspect very precise very clean like if you would add resistance and that's that's a common subject we have with various people but if you would have add resistance like you know it would already become very different but but the way it's structured right now there's that ability to be very clean very precise there's a clear beginning clear ending everything's very clear and then the dojos tend to be very clean and and if you add that aspect of silence I can see the appeal of it I can see like why various people would would like it and it's kind of it would it does make it different from Brazilian jiu-jitsu it's just like it's not like better worse it's just different and I see how aikido can deliver that uh but I think for me probably the one of the things which are is keeping me back from aikido is something you already brought up is the ego which I experienced a lot of that myself and I hate that till today so so actually that's even like on my list uh it's one of the questions so you spoke in the document yeah you want to jump in yeah sure I just remember just it's just that belongs to the other subject yeah sure I just remember that here in Mexico there's I haven't went to his classes but there's a sensei of VJJ that teaches judo and and Japanese jiu-jitsu and the the classes the classes they they are like in silence you know and it's VJJ but the thing is that they don't win yeah yeah yeah do you get so I think that that jiu-jitsu has to be speed and everybody talking so okay let's go I just want to tell that yeah sure no yeah yeah I appreciate you saying that and it's kind of also makes me expand on that as well and one of the things which so you probably know that recently I'm on the one of the processes I'm on is I call it rediscovering Aikido which is I'm looking back at Aikido and asking myself so what's what are the good sides of it because I was so I was so vocal about the bad aspects of it that I feel okay we need it's time to balance it a little bit and in that process in that journey I spoke with some people and one of the individuals Christopher Hine I spoke with him and I liked a lot what he said he's actually a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt as well as Aikido black belt I think he's a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu definitely like capable and he said I will rephrase what he said or the way I understood it but basically what I an idea got from him is that one of the troubles with Aikido is that it almost tries to be too many things sometimes and you know it's it's what he does and I actually feel quite inspired about what his approach it's like he has a beginning and an end he describes what Aikido is and what Aikido is not and there's a point where he says Aikido doesn't work anymore now it's time to do jiu-jitsu boxing etc and I loved it and I realized you know like if you take Brazilian jiu-jitsu it's they don't add strikes mostly no no they don't add kicks it's like it's on the ground jiu-jitsu is jiu-jitsu it's awesome it's effective it's lovely but they don't try to be anything else from what they are Aikido sometimes I feel it tries to be like so many things and then ends up being almost nothing so it seems like you agree with me right yeah totally in fact I wanted to tell you that in in a different different words you know if you think a philosopher and a physics you know if you put it I think the the physical the physics is the jiu-jitsu and the philosopher is the Aikido so and Aikido tries to be everything not not just not just in defending yourself even spiritual things and it's like everything like you said and it doesn't have something of reality but that doesn't mean that it it's have to stop I think it should go wrong it's I mean here in Mexico they they still teach you philosophy and philosophy is it doesn't work like same like biology no but in a way it's still it's still there it you don't have to it's don't have to be the end of Aikido I think that's if you put it in an American way of thinking don't get me wrong I'm not anti-american I wouldn't blame if you would be no I'm not I'm I couldn't because of all of my culture is like really American but if you put it in the how do you say the win philosophy that you have to win all the time Aikido won't leave there so and I also think you have to think the time when Aikido was created it was a time that Japan was on the end of the American occupation so the martial arts were forbidden because they nobody wants to to teach the the way of fighting you know but because before that before that era martial arts in Japan was like MMA you know you go to another dojo and they fight like maybe maybe worse than MMA so Aikido was created in a cultural time that that kind of fighting was forbidden so if you think about it the martial art that survived was Aikido and judo and judo is if you take a lot of rules is is more like a BJJ you know so there is this two aspect of fighting and to and to see martial arts so I won't criticize Aikido because of the time that was created and the needs that in that time have to fill for Japan you know well if I would ask you so what drew you initially Taikido yourself like what do you feel got you caught on to because clearly you were caught by it like you enjoyed it because doing it for more than a decade intensively there must have been something there so what what what initially drove you to go there? It's not a joke or because it can be like some people that's the reality you know Yes I noticed because of him but I was practicing Kung Fu at that time Any particular style or just Kung Fu in general? I don't remember the step because I I just did it for one year before before that I did character for like 10 years so I was I was on a trip surfing trip and I met I was traveling with with a friend that was from Germany and he started telling me about Aikido and he was really good in the board because of the he says because of the Aikido because also in his hometown they didn't they didn't have sea waves you know and he practiced Aikido and told me that helps him to the balance so when I came back to Mexico City I said I don't have sea here so I went to a class and when I saw the class I was amazed about it I I saw people flying and all the technique and all the aspect of of their culture I don't know I was falling in love and I started and I leave it until six years ago. So what do you think kept you in it like would you be able to articulate it do you think or? The practice itself in in that time of my life makes me like emotional balance I think I know I know that people practice martial arts martial arts because they want to defend themselves on the street you know I know that Francisco is really focused on that yeah but if you think that how many times have you caught in a fight on the street you? Yes a handful but not like that many and I definitely see your point so yeah not many no yeah sure yeah but how many times have you have been practicing Aikido and you feels it makes you change your mindset of your daily life you know and I think that's really important and that's really important to me not the others aspect maybe because I'm crazy and I need that you know I don't know why but yeah well that gives me that yeah well that still naturally makes me ask so you still eventually leave Aikido to a degree so was there a specific reason why you stopped or what happened? it really the thing that makes me stop it's really Aikido itself because I went to New York as a Nushi deshi Yamada's dojo Yamada's dojo and I practice with really tough guys you know like Mike Jones I remember it was like fighting really fighting I don't remember the name of this other guy and I don't know if he's an Asian he practiced Aikido like he really is really tough and I was there like three months hmm in a separate of the different times total three months but every time that that I came back to Mexico and I started practicing in my dojo it was like what is this you know I was really boring and and the the Aikido really changed and I really missed that feeling so I went to to a BJJ class and I went and I said let's see if I can do something technique you know but they kick my ass like I can do I make that tap you say yeah I can yeah I tap a guy with a Nikio I remember and they they asked me no what's that and I told them how to do it but but they kicked kick my ass and at the beginning I started doing a lot of techniques of Aikido because that was that was what I knew then I stopped let me say I have to learn how to do and I stopped doing technique with wrist locks yeah wrist lock but but recently before the pandemic I started to do Aikido techniques again and it's it's really good there are some techniques depending what you like but I do a lot of sankyo really likes likes me to do sankyo in BJJ well you did speak about the ego and like that's like one of the key subjects as far as I could see in your documentary and then in the beginning of our talk you started off by saying that there was a lot of ego that you experienced in Aikido the funny part is and that's what baffled me and confused me for a while was that it's officially like the Aikido goal usually is said like Masagatsu Gatsu no true victory or victory over yourself it's all about destroying the ego but then you would see people who are full of themselves and I think it's sometimes people speak about that in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu about the ego and like leave your ego on as you enter the doors they don't like that but but it's not like it's less talk and more practice but the practice gets the job done so so how did that seem to you like like how did that contrast did you think about that contrast of ego in Aikido and ego in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? Yes it's like you say in in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu they they didn't they don't speak about it they just I mean I think that there are some people that that never think about that you know that I came here to lose my ego they just feel yeah it's not in their minds and in Aikido we speak about it but sometimes you don't feel it really feel it you know the I think the practice in Aikido had to be really intense to to to make you go there when I practice with Francisco we used to practice really hard and really fast you could do it in Aikido if you you go really you you go to a mindset that you lost your ego it's possible but it has to has a lot of physical aspect and and also like a waiting to do it you know but I think it's possible. So what what do you personally because I definitely have my own answers as well but I'm curious about your perspective so why do you personally think that the ego does come across in Aikido from time to time and not as much I'm not saying that also to put it on record I'm not saying that Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is sacred and there's no shit there it also depends on the school and depends on the organization and the friends of the person but still like the general tendency I've met I also met some great people in Aikido like Humble and and nice but but there's usually there would be something off about some of the Aikido practitioners and the ego was not rare in the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu I practiced and the places I went to ego was much more rare like like the goal of Aikido seems to be much more accomplished there of people being humble especially like high grading black belts I guess also too I don't know maybe I'm lucky maybe I went to the right organizations but I just met some really really nice people who could who could kill me like like there's a funny story I lived in in Portland Oregon at a place I was renting a room at a place of a high level Brazilian Jiu Jitsu expert and so I would be lying there in the bed and I would sometimes think that guy you know my my roommate or whatever like you know the guy who owns the house he could come to my room decide to kill me and probably do it very efficiently in the matter of seconds and I could do I couldn't do shit about it you know he would kill me but he's one of the nicest people I know like I love him he's amazing and and he you know he never boasts about himself he's he's incredible but he's a he's a legit killer so so that contrast is interesting but yeah to come back to the main point generally I noticed much much less ego in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu but so what's your personal opinion why do you think that a big ego is not uncommon for Aikido? I think because of the you know the hierarchy and also because you don't really go to beast mode in Jiu Jitsu you go to beast mode you know it's like you become become like an animal sometimes and I mean Aikido that doesn't happen and you are always like thinking and comparing yourself to the other guy and it's like you said it's not a rule you know there there's bullshit everywhere everywhere but the practice itself it goes I don't know in Aikido there's more more room to the ego to the ego so you come across a lot of times too this guy that tells me no no no you are wrong and stop the practice I mean and why they do that and it's really weird because sometimes that happened in in Jiu Jitsu you are wrestling and and the guy stop why do you stop me it it really makes me mad that they stop to explain you what you're doing wrong that's not good if you're going to what it happens sometimes okay yes I have lived that sometimes when I mean when you're really beginning you know they stop fighting and they tell you no no no you have to do these and do that no no if you're going to kick my ass just kick it that's the best way to learn you know sure sure sure and when you tap I think that some something in your brain liberate all your frustration frustrations and and that's that's that doesn't happen in Aikido yeah I mean you tap you know but but you tap because you have to tap not not not because the other guy is really winning yeah yeah I don't know what you think yeah absolutely and I'll actually elaborate as well from what you're seeing it's something I considered like as I guess most people know I I spent a lot of time asking myself so what creates the problems in Aikido or what's the downside to Aikido and one of the things I considered I don't have a final answer for this but but one of the thoughts I have is because like you know stoicism the the type of philosophy yeah so it kind of presents itself in a very stoic stoicistic way like you know it's like stone faced and everyone is calm and and so on but and I think there's something admirable about that but also that's not how we really live that's not how we really function and I think probably that with that subject was kind of covered in your documentary as well there's one guy who said you know the way you train and the way you you deal with problems on on the Brazilian jiu-jitsu mat that's how you deal with problems in life I noticed there's definitely a tendency because but also because rolling on the mat generally can be very messy like you know it's chaotic and and it just your adrenaline kicks in and and you're uncomfortable and and that's so much more akin to what we experience in life you know when when shit goes down it's like I like I like to say that it's easy to be good when everything is going well and and that's a bit like that's a bit more like Aikido you know everything is like clean and and precise and and and you get you get used to being you know calm and confident in that realm but then shit hits the fan and you're like wait there's so much pressure I'm not really used to being my Aikido self in this situation and there's almost like a sense that I wish that in Aikido sometimes they would give you that chaotic situation and then you would have to work your way to being a stoic guy versus what sometimes I would see unfortunately I'm not saying everywhere but again unfortunately I would see in Aikido is something that one writer described in a book about yoga that yoga has a similar problem you know everyone is peaceful and nice and the thing is he called them pirate ships with white sails or a white flag because internally they could be messed up those those yogis and I met those people you know they're they're actually not really nice but they know how to act nice but once they would be hit with pressure once they would have a difficult life situation sometimes really nasty stuff would come out from them because they're not used to functioning they're not used to being calm in those situations so I think that that kind of feels like but that's one of the challenges that Aikido sometimes is facing so do you think that as well yeah yeah yeah I don't like to to say that these are the rules you know because like you say it's really we cannot be objective in these subjects sure but jujitsu has this more parallel parallel things with with the way that we live in like you say it before and Aikido doesn't and maybe if we were in Japan you know other time and if we were Japanese people it worked like a different way but also like you said Aikido in the United States and in Japan it's really different it goes to I think it's like octopus you know wraps part of the culture of the aspect of the United States and maybe there are not good things like some dojos are are always thinking of winning but winning what you know sure I mean Aikido yeah sure and also I kind of feel that when I went to Yamada sensei there is this thing like be the perfect ushideshi and it was really weird because you cannot put the Aikido on on the winning cultural thing it doesn't make any sense but also like you said Aikido in Japan it's different they they don't speak they they have ranks but they see it see it on another way you know in that in that subject it's like the belts the belts the color belts in Japan they were created for kids and and when the martial arts went to other parts it's like in the way of the ranking but the ranking didn't exist in judo they just practiced yeah um couple just just a couple more questions that I have on my list and one of them is uh I was curious to ask about at the beginning of the documentary that you made I really liked a place where you where is and correct me if I'm wrong but I the way I understood it you were editing a video for this kind of religious cult thing commercial and you mentioned that you're conflicted about doing that and I I felt like I could really like resonate with you like I I see what you mean I see where you're coming from I don't think I was kind of expecting that at the end of the movie you'll be like so eventually I decided to do this but I don't think you you you did that so so can you tell a little bit more so how did that I I didn't understand really so so you know in the beginning what I refer to like that yes yes yes and I was thinking I was expecting also to be fair I might have missed something I skipped a little bit of the the documentary but I think I was expecting that at the end of the documentary you will say how the story ended with that commercial but I don't think you did so so what what did I did it in a way you know yeah I because at the end of my documentary I say fuck I'm doing like a big big commercial about jujitsu ah okay yeah do you remember that no yeah yeah I think I think that's that's I want I really wanted to relate it with that you know yeah I was making uh I think that stuff but you it's like it's like you never get rid of that you know is that kind of thinking that you never you never get rid of the of the clubs clubs now I'm on a different club that is jujitsu but also have the also have shit sometimes that's what it's also make you think that jujitsu is better and maybe it's not you know so in a way it was related to that and I want to I wanted to add that you you have to struggle all the time with these things that hey jujitsu is better than you know and maybe something MMA is better than jujitsu and having a gun is better than being an MMA guy and it goes it goes yeah yeah it makes sense what you're saying I think the phrase you used and I liked that a lot I think you mentioned like not word-to-word but basically we're saying like I realized that what I'm saying or what's presented in this documentary sounds like a self-help book bought in a like in the shelf and in a whatever like what is what is that like a pharmacy store yeah and so I think yeah yeah that makes sense and so it did kind of make a full circle but I also like what you added is that it's still it still works like it's there is truth to it to what you presented and I think to me what it makes me think about is recently on my new channel I explored a little bit about uh cult mentality like what cults are and how they work and and uh one of the things I realized while exploring that is that cult is not necessarily bad because many people say when they say a cult they mean they already mean like it's they already say it in a pejorative way meaning like it's it's bad but a cult is like like the I am inspired by a guy who's like a cult expert uh and he says that there's like a mac you know like uh apple cult people who love macbooks and they're obsessed about it and obsessed about iPhones and there's bad things to it but it's not like it's not like entirely bad it's like it's their thing you know do your thing it's fine but they're also cults which trick you to get money from you and do other terrible shit so so cult is not necessarily bad and and you know even even if you don't want it you you are in a cult you know right no way right so it's like a human condition right and I think we like to be together and think that we are better yeah yeah and I think one thing which stands out for me and I think it's similar to what you presented as well is that being in a cult is not the problem the problem is is what influence the cult has on us like like how constructive or destructive it it is and and for me personally and I'm not saying that that the same experience has to be everywhere but eventually after about 15 years of being in the world of like you know I got a lot of good things but also but but percentage wise I think I got more bad things than good things eventually like there's a lot of that really uh me yes but that's me personally um I just want to know sure yeah yeah no I can answer um I think that a lot of that is connected with my own personal journey and the context and the people I was hanging out with my Aikido instructor was very spiritual but in a bad way eventually I think he he wasn't a very good spiritual teacher so that turned me turned me down turning off also I came into Aikido expecting and needing it to be efficient as a self-defense practice why because I was growing up in a violent city like I I did get attacked and my friends got attacked not like you know every day but but I was threatened and and there were a couple of cases where I was attacked and I couldn't use Aikido and my instructor at the day which wasn't a very good guy either uh he he blamed me you know that it's my fault that I don't train enough and I kind of got the same uh later on with my next instructor in a different way but but basically I think I the people I was hanging out with there's and also my context what I was searching for and like you know what I got and also how how devoted I was and and it's also I agree it's partly my problem because I I was so devoted to it I didn't critically choose what works for me and what doesn't I was you know kind of like a like a horse with blinders so I think that's that's one of the main reasons why I had uh eventually a bad experience with Aikido like like there's a lot of bad things which are more on the top of my mind than the good things that I got so but that's my personal story you know not everyone is like that so yeah and that's why you you changed to be to a big degree yes and also also another aspect which added to that was because I was questioning Aikido online on youtube and I got frustrated that so many Aikido people hated me for that you know they didn't embrace that and I think that pushed me even further to be like I don't want to be a part of this culture which hates people who are openly questioning it so but you know that's my story that's that's my I'm not saying that everyone is no but I really understand you because it's it's really weird that the the the people that really criticize Aikido are the same that are practicing I think the other martial arts they don't carry maybe sometimes like Joe Rogan or this kind of thing on the web or it's I got you what you mean you know hmm and when you practice BJJ do you feel safe on the street uh well to be fair I also trained mixed martial arts but not not only mixed martial arts but also I went through studying self-defense like pure on self-defense theory and practice so so that helps as well in regards to understand you know I I'm aware of what's happening around and I avoid potentially dangerous situations and I have ideas how to de-escalate things so that help gives me confidence but also to knowing that I I can fight off a person who knows how to fight and I can choke out a person who knows how to grapple to some degree that that definitely gives confidence you know because beforehand but I did only Aikido I didn't know if somebody will attack me deep inside I knew that I don't know whether I will be able to do anything and now when I when I'm used to fighting with guys who are professional fighters it's not the same you know the street is different there's weapons and there's random attacks multiple attackers but still that gives confidence because I know that I can handle a fighter it gives me confidence that I'll fare better with a person who has no clue how to fight so yeah what about yourself if I feel safe with Yujitsu but also I I always want I have to look to all the time where I'm going I mean Mexico City it's dangerous and now I have a child you know a child yeah so it's really weird if I'm if I'm going to a neighborhood that it's really dangerous I go with with knife yeah and I feel safe with sure sure yeah I I think people who never experienced violence and people who live in places where violence is more common they have a different relationship with that and I think every smart person realizes that it's much more than just fighting guys off because like you know you know Bruno Roscoe no he's a he's a fairly well-known Aikido slash like legit self-defense expert and he he's he lives in Mexico City and I was talking to him once I know that guy yeah bold guy tough looking so so yeah so he said to me you know if you if you get in the way of let's say a cartel no Aikido is gonna help you know you're screwed no Aikido no Jujitsu right exactly no more sorry it is gonna save you and and and I think some people don't understand that they still live in that fantasy of martial arts movies where Steven Seagal takes down the whole mafia and you know and shit like that it's like no if you're if you get into trouble with organized crime you're done but the thing is true self-defense is making sure you don't get in their way you don't go to places where it's dangerous at times when it's dangerous and that's self-defense but if I'm like if I think I'm the best fighter in the world and that gives and then I think that I can go to any dangerous area and I don't give a fuck that's that's stupid you know that's not self-defense I think common sense is the best means to self-defense to begin with yeah so there's the very last part on my list a subject is a part I liked a lot and I guess it's a two-parter so the first part is you mentioned that short story of yourself which I personally loved of you cutting off your sleeves of your gif putting on a cobra kai patch I loved it but but you mentioned that that wasn't really accepted in the dojo and in the Aikido dojo which I understand you know it makes sense but how was it for you was that was that a big kind of upset for you or or you didn't take it too too difficult to take it was like a joke okay it was just like a joke you know but if I show you my my gear of jujitsu it has a cobra kai kai patch so it's something that I grew up with and they should allowed it maybe not the cuts limbs yeah yeah but if you want that patch that that makes the gear like more near to your heart you know yeah I think that Aikido in some things has they have to change right maybe not in Japan but here in America they have to change yeah like those kind of thinking like make it more practical and it's it's really a big subject I know but I think there's there's some competitive Aikido I saw a video and it was like judo it was saying it was really similar to judo it's just that they have kote gaeshi but if if Aikido will go to that way it would became like really similar to judo I think could be yeah well having said all of that I personally like that that whole segment about Goku and the fictional characters I think I I kind of thought about it before but you really made a good point that in Brazilian jitsu that's embraced and and I think that's that's that's a brilliant point and that that's what makes it even more kind of intriguing for people or or if you live in better with being presented to because so many of us like I I'm I guarantee that like at least 50 percent of Aikido are geeks and nerds yes of course right and to kind of deny that part from them to not allow themselves to express that way and to blend those two together that's it's kind of taking away a really powerful aspect of it so yes even if you talk about that in like a commercial way yeah if they embrace that it will be they will have more people or or maybe not more but more happy people you know right yeah because like you said those those things are things that belongs to you since you are a child so if you want to to put I mean if you want to put a Batman mask mask and train if you want to they should allow that maybe if you do it in jiu-jitsu they would choke it with that but but they won't say you know they they will leave you to use the mask and they then we they will choke yourself with the mask but yeah you want to put a wrestler mask and train they should allow it yeah I agree and I don't think for me the the last part to this question is so Francisco mentioned that to me that you you also like Batman as you might know I'm a big fan of Batman also Goku and so many other things but just that whole subject you explored it in your documentary so I presume you thought about that yourself it's a big subject for me that fictional characters the influence fictional characters can have on us you know that I feel like Batman is not real but it had a very real impact on my life on my personal philosophy values and the same can be said about no spider-man or Goku etc etc so so have you explored the subject how fictional characters actually are important in our lives and if yes then what's what's the list what's the top list for you I think in this subject there's a positive part and also a negative part you know because I think that there's a negative way in this subject because if you want to to revel revel can you explain what I mean if you want to let me think I could guess but I'm not entirely sure what what word are you looking for if you are in a society and you want to become like a leader or or if you're in a tough situation and you want to improve that yeah the cultural aspect that everything everyone has if is that you just can be better if you are have superpowers or if you have a lot of money you know you know what I mean it's really difficult to explain this no I think I see your point uh you know I'm a big fan of this idea so I guess yeah I mean you know that then has gadgets which don't exist and in reality he would probably die very quickly but but still what I like is that there's been in his mythology he trains his ass off which I think is a nice point but I agree with you if you take the whole narrative of superpowers and being special from birth etc that's not a very good message so if you really think about this subject these characters are our gods now because we don't think I mean you think in the gods but not like before now is something like it's everywhere and I would like to speak there it burns your your conflicts now if you see a Batman film or if you are reading a comic you put your problems there and you burn it there you know but in reality it's not like that so I think that's the negative way right then the positive way is also that that you can burn your frustrations there and and don't think about yourself but but the characters are always changing I mean now I really love Rick and Morty you know yeah and they are not heroes they are like sick people you know like all of us I guess that's yeah and then that's more reality yeah yeah yeah but having these characters fictional characters sometimes helps you sometimes it doesn't I think it has a both size yeah I don't know if that was your question yeah no entirely I think yeah it really depends on how you look at it and I think you said you you articulated your your point well enough but the only thing which comes to my mind is I think one of the theories I have is that the reason superhero movies are so big these days you know both Marvel and DC it's such a huge industry but that's because and that's only my personal theory but that people want to be the hero of their story they want to make a difference they want to be significant and because most people are not they don't feel that way in their lives they feel powerless they try to kind of satisfy that hunger that feeling by watching those movies by feeling like a part of that story and I think it's great I think it's awesome and hopefully some of those people are inspired to change at least a little bit to do at least summing a little bit in their lives but at the same time I think too many people just go to the movie see the movie get back and they go back right back to the same place they were before so I wish but I think it's has both sides of the coin you know yeah because you know the the life of everybody everybody knows what happened to Batman but not everybody knows who is Pancho Villa or who is Che Guevara you know right yeah so that's what I think that it has both sides of the coin yeah yeah I guess it's everything but in the end for me is I guess I stick with the idea that as long as people are capable of taking good things from it like I made a video about me overtraining because of Dragon Bozy that was not very good for me like I still have you know knee problems and this and that because of that so it inspired me to train but it didn't tell me about correct training so I guess it depends on what you take from it yeah yeah yeah I might agree but then very last point then something I mentioned but we didn't get into so top free characters you choose that influenced you most of course Dragon Ball yeah Batman three three right yeah give me one more I don't know what comes to just I still I still seeing cartoons you know when I have time but maybe Ninja Turtles okay yeah nice cool yeah cool cool I'm a I'm a big Batman nerd and a good one of my best friends is a Ninja Turtles fan so so you're your combination of us both but cool well I still reading comics yeah me too not not as much as I used to but for sure and and these these days I do you know Attack on Titan shingeki no kitchen I just watched it for the second time because my girlfriend hasn't seen it and I enjoyed it so much I was like oh you know maybe you should I should show you this anime but actually like the truth was I wanted to watch it for the second time obviously it was nice for me to show it to her but I was like yeah it was so good I love it anyway well good so for the very end well actually I have some ideas after we finish on record I'll ask you something about the video off record but just in case so I'll leave the link in the video here to your documentary okay and if anybody you know it's definitely worth watching it and if is there is there anything else like like your Vimeo channel or something if people want to learn more about you and your work where should they go I just threw up my facebook page because I don't have much time now because I'm a father yeah but I will send you the link of my instagram so I'll put that in as well