 The whole political, social, and economic sector of the society is mostly based on answers to different questions. Indeed, the debate which we will be in the world today into activism and democracy is about a flicker of a question, what is man? Whether it is the pause in the wheel of the... Hello sir, you are not quite audible sir. You are not quite audible sir, please sir. Yes sir, thank you. Thank you. I request all of you to please kindly switch off your mic. And there may be connectivity issue, so kindly bear. Thank you. Okay, so let us start once again. Good afternoon one and all, I am your host Dr. Aniruddha Babar. Once again, welcome you all to this yet another session of Dot Talks Webinar Series, organized by Setso College. What is man that thou art mindful of him? This question flowing from the lips of the inquisitive soul is one of the most important questions facing any generation. The whole political, social, and economic structure of any society is largely determined by its answers to this pressing question. Indeed, the conflict which we witness in the world today between the totalitarianism and democracy is at bottom a conflict over the question, what is man? Whether man is a cog in the wheel of the state or whether he is a free creative being capable of facing responsibility. In our generation, the asking of this question has grown to extensive proportions. But though there is widespread agreement in asking the question, there is fantastic disagreement in answering it. A few modern thinkers would probably agree with the writer of yesterday who spoke of man as a supreme clown of creation. Others would probably share the materialistic thinking of the recent writer who described man as a chemical laboratory driven by sex symbols. Others would probably join in with the optimism of Shakespeare's Hamlet. What a piece of work is man. How mobile in reason, how infinite in faculty, in form and moving, how express and admirable, in action, how like an angel, in apprehension, how like a god, the beauty of the world, the paragon of animals. Still, others would agree with Thomas Carlisle in saying, there are depths in man that go to the lowest hell and heights that reach the highest heaven for are not both heaven and hell made out of him everlasting miracles and mystery and mystery that he is. So the question. What is man has been haunting me since years and must have been haunting you as well. So today we have a very fantastic person with us. That is Mr US Pande. Mr Pande is going to elaborate and explore this question with his knowledge and wisdom of years. Mr Pande is a graduate in engineering from University Roorkee, which is now known as IIT Roorkee. Join Indian Railway Service of Engineers and retire from the position of additional director general. Life member of Theosophical Society, its international speaker and also president of Uttar Pradesh and Uttara Confederation of the Society. Theosophical Society is a worldwide organization founded in the year 1875 and works for spiritual and social reforms. First object of the society is to form a nucleus of universal brotherhood without distinction of race, caste, color, creed and sex. Mr Pande delivers talks on Theosophical themes in various forums, including colleges and universities within and outside the country. He has been a member of Board of Transparency in the United India. He is also dated with some of the social activities also. So Mr Pande will be covering this talk as to man's identity, as of described and understood differently by size, times, religious cultures, etc. And above all, him says. So the description, importance of the question, who am I? As of our investigation by negation, attraction, humiliation or expansion. Man's double ample nature set was three more than for a mortal man. The inner intrepid attributes man his position and role in the whole news and even benefits non-visual society. Man has become human, human and superhuman or perfect man. Co-worker, director, in progress and manatee, all this is going to be a very exciting talk. This is going to be a part of the investigation. My friends, please pay attention. Now I request Mr Pande, we are eager to hear you. Okay, Dr. Nruthbaba, dear residents and faculty members of the Ketso College, Imapur, other friends from the Northeast and also our friends from this side of the country. I welcome all to this program, which is nearing by Ketso College. And before that, I extend my warm greetings to all of you. I'm happy to see that a lot of young faces, students of the college are joining this program. It shows that the question or the point which we are going to explore in this talk is not only interesting to the older generation, but to younger generation also. In fact, in my experience with interaction with some of the children, I feel that even some of the children are interested in this question. Because there is a reason that, as we explained, the present level of evolution of human being, where the logic, where the intellect is being increased at a very rapid rate. So a lot of questions do come in the mind of human being right from the age when he comes of the age. And that's why today's children are very inquisitive, very questioning and that is a very good sign. We should not suppress that, we should rather encourage that. Though their questions may be sometimes uncomfortable to us or elder generation. So Dr. Babba has already given a brief background of the USP society and the USP, but nevertheless, since there are many young persons joining this and many of them are non-members, I will first briefly enumerate about the USP society and the USP, then I will go to the topic. USP society as Dr. Babba said that it was founded in 1875 precisely in November in New York by Helena Petrov-Brodsky, who was a recent lady and Colonel Cort was an American and 14-15 people more. But they were outer founders. The inner founders were two great sages living in Himalaya and Tibet, Indian sages. And they had inspired Madame Blorsky and Colonel Cort. At that time, and purpose was to a spiritual and social transformation of humanity to bring a new line of thinking because they already felt that time that human beings are involved in so many differences and disputes and quarrels and prejudices, dogmatism, superstitious religious belief. So purpose was to bring on the right time and man should be clear of all these things so that he can proceed on the path of evolution which is destiny and which is goal, that being perfect man. So that was the purpose. So that's where the goal, first goal was that first object was to create a nucleus of inverse of brotherhood without any distinction of race or sex, creed, etc. And nationality barrier also. And second was to encourage comparative study of science, religion and philosophy in an integrated manner. And third was to investigate hidden laws of nature and dating potential human being. Now this potential world is very important, very keen and we see some of the points regarding this in today's talk. And the philosophy itself basically consists of two words, Tos and Sofia. That means Tos means divine or God, Tos means wisdom. So it is divine wisdom. So it is not a new, it is an ancient wisdom which has been known to cities and process and ancient of all the civilizations in every country. We need India, China, Mexico, this Maya civilization and all those things have been known. But we do forget at certain stage of evolution and that's why time and again persons of higher intelligence, higher spirituality come in the world to remind common people like us that there is such a wisdom and we have to understand that our path and we have to go on that so that we can reach our destiny properly. Sir, may I request to find this week of the video? Yes sir, because there is a connectivity issue, your voice is not clear so kindly switch off video and then continue. Okay, absolutely. So for that purpose only the various prophets in Karnatian and high saints come, like Krishna, Buddha, Jesus Christ, Muhammad, all they come to remind us that there is some wisdom which we have brought in. And in that, in for that purpose a Theosco society was formed only for that purpose by the great, brother of great association of the schedule which overlooks the evolution of humanity and research. So these worldwide organizations Theosco society, we have got branches in more than 70 countries, branches we call sections and India we have got and then we have got federations in India, about 16 federations, various states. Assam Weaver Federation and Dr. Babar is one of the very active members there. So this is the brief introduction of Theosco and Theosco society and Theosco one more point it comprises wisdom which is already the essence of all the religions and these are by the ancient religion, modern religion and it also has been called the foundation of the future religion of humanity. All the religions has evolved from it, a part of it and finally when they get perfected they will follow this dream. So all the teachers, ancient teachers, world teachers, they mentioned, they come to tell us the part of the wisdom depending upon the time and space where they come, they only modify their language so that the people of that time, of that age and that age understand them. But it so happens many times that people do not understand like it happened in the case of Jesus Christ, even Buddha so they feel a position also of that time but of the centuries and people realize that what they have said that was correct and then people appreciate. So with this brief introduction I will come to the talk now the topics, the points which I propose to cover, the man's identity as described by the society, by the family, science, religious, scriptures, philosophies and above all by the human and herself. Then pitfalls of self descriptions or the identification, then the importance of the question who am I and the process of answering it, that is by negation, by affirmation, there can be two process, by negation, by affirmation and then man's devil nature, triple nature, secondary nature and briefly cover and then what is the role of man in the whole esteem of evolution, how he can contribute, how he can explore his hidden potential powers and so that he can benefit himself and also the fellow human being, not only fellow human being, fellow features, whole creation. So purpose is that man has to become human. They are different from man and human, I will explain to you later and then humane human he has become and then perfect man. This is the journey. So at present esteem most of the people at this stage are man. When I say man is human also, we do not take it as man because it is a common man. When anywhere man is human it is women also because it is stage of evolution, stage of consciousness. We are not talking about gender difference, sex difference. So coming to the topic, how he is identified in the physical world. When a child is born or even before born when it is conceived, the family members act and in fact after birth the first thing the doctor or nurse attending on the mother announces a waiting relative outside that a boy or girl is born. So first identification comes from a man with a sex, a gender, why a girl? And then the name according is given according to tradition. Wherever country, India, Europe, America the name is given by the family according to the gender. Then the family believes in astrology, they consult some priest and he gives some name according to duodic in which the child is born. That becomes identity. And then when he grows up, he goes to school, the family name is added, all that forms his identity. Later on when he or she joins some profession, say engineer or doctor, advocate or professional or businessman, his auntie in society becomes that. His engineer is a doctor. People generally forget the family name. They identify doctors, engineers, professors and all those things. So that becomes a thing. Then he becomes a leader, then he becomes a politician, leader, minister and all those things. Even if they retire from this, people identify him, he retires certain stuff. So that identity gets attached to him, that she's society knows. Then biology defines and aggregates of the various systems like muscular, nervous, waist, bones, organs, heart, stomach and all those things. With a thinking and feeling best for a faculty. Institutional body is called social animal. In Darwin's evolution theory, man has evolved from animal. So he is at the top of the animal evolution, the highest form of evolution, objective evolution. So physical man is the highest development of animal life, that is also identification. Then it is also at his crown of the animal life on the earth. It is believed that it is true also that evolution is produced from the various kingdom like minimum, like plant, like animal, human being. The monad or the unit of consciousness or the soul produces to all the skin and finally arrives at human. It is not India see, but in objective world, finally arrives to the world and that's where it is the crown of the objective evolution. So these are the definitions from the social angle, from the worldly angle. Now, then when we think the man, he is a perfected animal, but there is one principle. We cannot think himself. We can react to our ideas, thinking, but we cannot think ourselves. So man has a better thinking capacity. So man is also a thinking animal. So if somehow we can make our animal to think, our dog or pet guy to think, we defined as man in this definition, but that is not so. There are so many other things. So these all these descriptions are incomplete. Now let us see what some of these scriptures say. These scriptures may be babbling, may be our planars, may be our other religion. We are a star and all those, they define man as sometimes as a temple. The temple, how? By the temple, the temple god, that who is the temple, who is god? That means the two things that are defined as our feast of body, the objective is being called temple or house. Something resigning in that temple is due. So I will just say, A, the temple of god, temple of god. But that is one definition. Other descriptions now, you are the kind of god. You are partial of, you are part of god and inner part of god. You are a spark of god, you are ray of god, all these definitions come. But such ray and spark is not separated. When you see spark of god, there is difference. The spark from the flame goes away, it is quenched. But this is spark of human soul, it is not quenched. It is some kind of connection with the flame, which is god. That is why ray is probably a more appropriate definition in this terminology, ray of the sun. So many rays are there and each ray is a human being, the man. So all these are symbolical definitions because actual definitions will be much more elaborate. So our wise people try to define a simple way so that a common person can understand. So in one sense it is got image of god, god made man his own image. But when you see image, it means that god has our type of framework. Like our face, like our ear, like our eyes, our hands, it is not like that. It is some deepening. So they started making god as a resembling picture of man. Then the higher philosophies when we come, they describe a divine being. A divine being, a unit of divinity, a unit of consciousness. A unit of consciousness which comes defined. Consciousness is gone and out of that one unit is the human being. Sometimes we could drop in the ocean of consciousness. So all these are way of defining man. We start from the physical level to the spiritual level to the philosophical level and all that. And this question has been plaguing right from the ages. In the old Greek, there is a temple, the temple of Delphi, where on the entrance gate itself is written, man know thyself. And great sages have always put this question and all philosophy, whether defined by Jesus, by Krishna, by Buddha, emphasize this point man must know him. That is the Swadhava, Selfistic. He must study what is nature. Now every individual though have got common biological, common behavioral function at human level. They have got same organs, same blood vessels, same veins, same nervous system, same veins. But the way of thinking, tendency, habits of each man is different. Each man and women are different. There are so many men and women of the type in the world, as many tendencies as in habit. Somebody is saintly nature, somebody is spiritual nature, somebody is interested in any money, somebody interested in research, somebody interested in some other art, somebody interested in wages, somebody interested in agriculture, somebody gets very angry, somebody is very calm, somebody is loving nature, somebody is head full nature, so many various system. Somebody interested in technical professions, somebody interested in philosophy, somebody interested in politics. So so many natures and varieties come. So no human being is similar in this finer activity. But at physical level he appears to be similar, even two brothers and two sisters, even twin sisters and different interpretable, different capacity, ability. So all these will define identification. So at the top level it is the same as far. At the bottom level it is the same face, same one, same one. In between there is a lot of variation, factors, feeling, thinking, tendency, all these different. So how to make and how to comprehend of this thing and what purpose, what purpose, what to make, that we see. So what is the real man? This is the question and this is the problem. Every generation and everybody wants to know this thing. He may belong to any religion, he may belong, he or she may belong to any nation. A stage comes when a person wants to know. Even modern psychologists like Maslow also say a person when his basic needs are satisfied, he could drink and housing and clothing and partly also sucks. Then he inner desire is there that he should identify himself in society, in what position. He craves for that. Then with also satisfied party then he wants to know after what is his connection with the sufferer. He reads about angels, he reads about God and he wonders what am I in relation to them. Then during night when he sleeps and night clear he can see so many stars, so many galaxies. He wonders whether he is also some way related to these stars, these galaxies. And in that pursuit he may read astronomy, he may read philosophy. And he is with them his knowledge and his vision and his perception about his anti-global change. So now when we come to question and how to tackle this question before that some more descriptions I would like to put before you. So it is said man is that being in the universe in which highest spirit and lowest matter meet in the mind and intelligence. Man's physical body as you say is made of the material solid liquid as you see and that's why after the body either remitted or buried in this nature, this atmosphere. So physical body is the material world. Then everybody feels that there is spirit and these two are that come to the mind. So highest spirit and lowest matter joined by mind is man. The man is the state in unfolding of the ray of divine as I told you earlier is the ray of divine but in the process of evolution he unfolds his power, not evolution also. Later on we see how we consciously we can do in unconscious way. Each child right from the birth he or she starts unfolding his power. Once he or she learns to walk, learns to speak, learns to read and exposes the nature and he goes on acquiring knowledge, acquiring special things. Then he grows up, he goes on suffering, higher things like scientists, like a philosopher, like medical profession, all those things he exposes. So that is the state, the divine goes on doing that zone, goes on exploring, acquiring knowledge even in a normal way. Even in the interaction and talking to you or talking to me in a family, in a group, we are trying to unfold our powers, our power of speech, our power of perception, feeling and talking. Every moment we are unfolding our powers. But there is sometimes a stage comes in evolution when spirit and matter are struggling. The man is the state where spirit and matter are struggling with each other. Each of them is trying to dominate over each other. The physical body has got different interactions that matter. My material part of the person has got different tendencies than spiritual part of the different tendencies. For example, material part wants to become lazy, doesn't want to get disturbed. There is an emergency, somebody is housing fire. Any inner idea that I should rest and help the person to clean the fire, that is pretty direct. So there is always a struggle when the spirit and man will come to higher nature, lower nature. So these two nature, spirit and matter, are struggling in man, that is also described. One is trying to dominate each other and finally they get properly balanced. So man is a form of being in whom the self and non-self are balanced, non-self is material. Man and the self, self means inner self or spirit is balanced. That is the only real and theological definition of man. Not any specific form, not arrangement of head, arms, legs and so on. Man can be in any shape. On the earth we have got this shape, two bodies, two eyes, one nose, one mouth, two ears, all those things. We don't know, in other planets, man may have body of different limbs, different shape. But main definition comes, spirit and matter are trying to struggle, trying to balance and it is a thinking capacity. These are the basic parameters which will define man on any planet and he may have any shape and body. So, and these, and again, Anibiscent who was the leader of the philosophical base, he says the man is the better field of spirit and matter because spirit and matter are trying to dominate. And that's why in every column, even worldly problem, man has got minimum two choices, whether I should go this way or that way, whether I should do this profession or that profession, I should do this thing or not do this, minimum. They may have multiple choices, but basically two choices come and then that is the connection in the two choices what to choose. And here, as I told example, between lazy and rushing part to help somebody, so matter and spirit tries to struggle. And that's why she says the man is the Kurukshetra of the world, of the evolution. Kurukshetra is the famous place mentioned by where the Mahabharata world was formed. So Kurukshetra is the Kurukshetra of the whole evolution. So every soul is striving in this better field and whatever the man. So these are the definitions from the higher point of view. The man, again, one of the basic parameters is the changing entity. Again, man may be in any form on a different planet, but in a changing capacity, he will define man and besides that, he will have the spirit and matter struggling. So this comes to the Kurukshetra and basic definition of man. And then, how to, as a common person, common man and woman, when I bought this desire to know myself, real nature, real man, how to know about it to become that. As I told that outer man or physical man has the material part of that. The leaner man, which is called real man, which is real immortal man and we have to explore what is that. Now this is, again, defined as two, in a dual manner or triple manner. First, that first is defined body and soul or in triple way, spirit, soul and body. The body is our physical body, which everybody sees. Then soul is something subtler than that and spirit is a subtlest of that, which is just brooding what it is. So the purpose of evolution is to make our body function in tune with the nature of the spirit and we'll see how to go about it. The dual nature of man is also explained as higher nature and lower nature, which will also come again to be true. Before that, again, I'll give back the question, how to grow the inner man. So as I told you, man has got different bodies, different cultures. And I have mentioned you in a two-division, two-division, then there is septinary division. I mentioned in two-ascual iteration, man has seven principles, seven concepts. This physical body, which everybody sees, and money is what is called actual body in which our feelings and emotions arise. That body is made of matter, subtler than the physical matter, that is predicting about six inches from our physical body. And before that, there is a double what is called the mold in this major feature in which the physical body is formed. Then after I still body, there is a mental body, thinking function is done, there is an extremely subtler matter. Then there is what is called bodhic body, where intuition is developed for intuition functions. And then finally, there is arithmic body with the spirit overshadowed everything. So these are the more detailed type of description by defining the bodies. So having considered these construction of the body, let us see how to judge ourselves. So there are two ways, one is contraction, one is expansion, one is negation, one is acceptance also. So first of all, when we say, I am hungry, so what is hungry? Who is hungry? So we have two questions, who is hungry? Whether your mind is hungry, you are feeling hungry, your soul is hungry, you have to define it. So if you put this question, you will say that your stomach is hungry. That means your body is hungry, your body now, whatever energy that is getting exhausted, it wants more fuel, more energy, so body is hungry. So my body is hungry, my body wants rest, my body wants to sleep. So we have to first say, I am not my body, so this is negation, I am not physical body. So by this way, we have to identify, I am not my physical body. I mean what I am real, I am entering into my real identity. Then I get some feelings, I get somebody, I get loving with somebody, I hate somebody. I like somebody, I do not like somebody, all these things. Now who is liking, who is disliking, who is hating, who is loving? That means again we see that there is some entity which is hating, who is looking. But this body is not that, body is only instrument working for that. Sense organs are there, we are having sense, sense perception, experience. Say we are listening to, we are smelling something, we are then speaking something, what we do with all these things. Our arms are not we, our mouth, our nose are those things. We definitely try to find out all these things by this examination. Then thinking, who is thinking? We say mental body is there, but who is behind mental body? Again we say that we are not mental body. So finally we come to know what is our inner being, what is our ground, what we are. And finally we come to appreciate, if you have not read philosophy, that we are nothing. Finally it is like I only need to go on feeding these scales, finally what you get? Ultimately nothing. So finally we get nothing, but nothing is a very good definition, of course we have definition also. Finally we get, since consciousness cannot be seen, cannot be perceived, cannot be touched, cannot be smelled, cannot be like that. So it is nothing. But we have got to meet our consciousness, because we are doing all these functions, we are not nothing, but we are probably everything. So that becomes two definitions. So it is defined, we are a unit of consciousness. What is in Trespartan, we define monad, unit, unit of something. So unit of what? Unit of spirit and life. That is consciousness. All the life is universal, universal. Out of that so many units are drawn out by the Supreme God, what is the God? Brahman, an absolute principle during time of the whole revolution. And each unit in Trespartan is monad. The Greek term monad means unit. But while it is also important, so finally we get to also all the qualities of ocean. Just like a drop of the ocean, it is the same water, with all the qualities of the entire water of the ocean. Similarly a monad or of the ocean of consciousness, Brahman, our absolute principle, whatever we call it. So this is the by negation we identify. Then there we expansion. Now at present stage, since we consider our body only as our entities, so we are separate from others. Our feet are different from the other members of family, other societies because they are different. So there is separation. So now if we try to embrace people whom I am hating, we stop loving, whom I am disliking, I stop liking. Just but it is empowering human being. So we find that our embracing circumstances expands again and again. And we find by reorienting our feelings from negative to positive, from loving and compassionate feelings towards our own, we feel that we are identified with all. That may not only with family members, with our fellow creatures, with our society, fellow workers, with all the beings, all the things in the world, all the creatures that you can see, with the plants, with animals. So we feel that we are the ocean of consciousness, we are ocean of life, we are one with that ocean. We are one with universal life. So the two entities then, the two entities were unit of consciousness. But at the same time, we are one with the ocean of consciousness, ocean of life, which is only working around us. And this definition, this type of description is only being proved by modern researches, which time permits. I will give you some examples later. Then again, we feel, as we think and we act in our life, that we, though we appear to be separated, we appear to be self-dependent, we appear to be self-important, but is it so? We are always interdependent, interconnected. If you think even for a morning cup of tea, the tea if I take, now if you think it's a very small thing, but if you think over how many people are modern making the tea, there is a person working tea garden or some are dodging, is planting the tree, then some ladies are picking up the leaves, then there is a plant there, we're drying the leaves, then somebody is packaging, sending to market, somebody is transporting, somebody is selling from which I purchased, then I have to add sugar and milk, that again the same process, somebody is making far weight, transporting, packaging and selling. So all the ingredients are then somebody is making the cup. So all these ingredients enable us to have a cup of tea. So how I am dependent on innumerable number of persons, even for a morning cup of tea. So for everything, I am dependent on so many things. And similarly, others will be dependent on me. So every whole thing in the universe is interconnected. A tea I only gave example, you are a student, now you are in my country with your books, teachers, with your fellow students, with your friends, with your family members and with everybody. So we are always interconnected. We cannot remove the interconnection, we have to realize that we are interdependent interconnection. And that becomes our economy. And here we try to impressing wider and wider circumference. So the definition of man's change is that he is a circumference, which is already expanding, consciousness expanding. So the role of man, now I see how does it happen in evolution as I told you earlier in the beginning. Evolution proceeding from different stages, when the animal, prawn, animal and human being. And human being stage, and above you there are stages of angelic kingdom. What we call, there was kingdom in English, angelic kingdom. And human state itself, there was vast variation. If you look around, you find there was difference in intelligence of man to man. There is a person who is very simple. He almost like an idiot, he cannot understand anything. On the other extreme, the geniuses who can understand anything with action to man. They can solve a very complex problem. They are great scientists, philosophers. And then the person cannot sing well, the high grade musician is there. So cultured man there, uncultured man there. Why so much difference is there? And a man soon slowly, when he comes to man's stage, the monad, he walks from the savage stage to the very high intelligence stage, very evolved stage. He takes so many births. And in this human journey, the goal is set to become perfect man. All of us, we are not perfect man. So first we feel a separation, that is a man and a woman state. Then we feel that we are interdependent, interdependent. Then we feel the necessity of harmoniously united, harmoniously united, harmoniously united. So H-U then becomes human. H-U, H-U human means harmoniously united man, man of women. Then we realize, then we try to have harmony with everybody, unite with everybody. So then we become human. Most of people are not human at this stage. And then we increase our circumference, our radius of the compassion, love, caring for others. Then we became human human, human human. That means not only human being with other creatures, animals, plants, when you look after them, we do not destroy them unnecessarily. We do not kill them, we do not injure them. Even mineral, even we do not waste water, we do not waste anything. We have to be very careful because wasting water, injuring water, they are also life. So when we become aware of this thing, then we become human human, that is third stage. So in present history of evolution, many majority of the man state, some of them human, some and less number is human human. And very few know perfect man. What is the perfect man definition? That is our goal to reach in this whole evolution. Perfect man is a state which is defined by various people. The perfect man is Bible. May be he as perfect as father. I will say it. Then our Hindu sastra says, man has to go sit down. Our Islamic scripture says he has been Al Insan, Al Insan, Great Insan. So our Hindu organization is Rishi Seiji and all those things definitions are different. So a perfect man is that who has developed all his faculties perfectly. Physical body is perfect. His feelings are perfect. His thinking is perfect. His Viveka is perfect. His Buddhic is perfect. And he is embracing all these things. He is also helping other people perfect. Not only is perfect in his own, he has a perfection in the laws of nature, laws of science, laws of all the knowledge he has acquired. And he can guide people in a proper way. Then he has got super physical powers, physical powers over nature. He can control nature for the benefit of humanity. So that becomes a perfect man. That comes a very, very late stage. But it is in the capability of man to expedite this process and become perfect man quickly. That is the goal of the human being. These are our great cities, our great saints, which I called the two masters, which found it just to say that they have reached that state. So that is the goal set for the human being. So this is the latent potential of man. And it is said, since man is the spark of the divine, the spark of the God, that when you are talking of this man, the inner man, not the outer man, so he has got all the power of the God, all the potential power of God. Just like I told you, a drop of ocean has got same quality, same power as a portion. So he has got power. The process one is to exhibit those powers, not in a showy manner, but develop those powers and unfold that is called unfolding a power. That is the journey. So in this process of evolution, man is doing unconsciously. As I told you, our every action, every thought, every interaction is evolving us. Sometimes he retards us when we properly do not do our work properly. But we have got power and power of thinking, power of contemplation. By this we can expedite that process. That is in man's hand. That's why he says man is self-made. Man is no self-creation. Man is what he has made himself, what he has made himself. God is there, but God at the stage of man, he leaves himself independent. Now you have got thinking power, you have got Viveka, you have got intelligence. Now you apply that and learn from the mistake, you learn from that and you advance yourself. So man is a very critical stage of evolution. Man is a very critical stage of evolution, but very important is evolution. Man is the only stage where it has got freedom to commit error, freedom to commit mistake, freedom to commit sin. That freedom hasn't given. This freedom hasn't given only to learn the mistake from the mistake and to proceed further. It doesn't mean that we should deliberately commit sin, deliberately commit mistake. Occasionally if we commit mistake and sin, then we learn lesson and proceed further. Animals, they don't have this freedom. For example, if food is there, animal will take only that food to satisfy his hunger. We will not take over it. Man in his BD nature, if it is very delicious, he will over it and by that he will spoil his stomach digestion and then he has to go to some doctor and take medicine. So by this process he will learn that he has to control his eating. Man by lazy, he will become fat, he will become lazy and he will know that this is not good. Then he will do some exercise, his control is tight. Then by negative feeling, he will make others unhappy. By negative thinking, he will make environment all around is very unhappy. And he will learn from that, then he will try to change this capacity with man. Self-training, he has to evolve. And all these teachings, whether religious, philosophy or worldly teachings are only for this purpose, that we should know our potential, we should change ourselves improperly. And that way we help ourselves in evolution and by this process we help. So finally, when we acquire some knowledge in this process, then we become forced in the evolution. At present unconsciously we are being led by bigger force, evolutionary force. But when we know all these things, then we become a force and we contribute to this evolutionary force and that becomes our contribution, not only for helping invidity us but for home creation. So finally, when we know that there is a plan of evolution, so it is said that there are two types of men, one who know, one who do not know. One knows what? One who knows there is a plan of evolution that everybody has to evolve. Everybody has to go up in the consciousness and folding in power and folding in Disney Plan. This is the divine plan, this is God's plan. And as I told in the beginning, only for making this plan, one make us understand all the prophets, all the incarnations, they come to us, remind us that you have forgotten there is a plan. They see there is a plan. When Christ comes or Krishna comes or Buddha comes, they turn only to this thing, remind us there is a plan. They look at plan and work accordingly. But still they forget. So at present we are two types of people who know and do not know. Who know they work according to plan or in religious words we say they work according to God's plan and they help themselves and help the humanity. Who do not know they are ignorant and they work against the plan, sometimes not derivately, sometimes ignorantly and they create obstruction with the evolution. But they are not asked for the very thing. They learn lessons and probably in the next incarnation they learn more. So for learning this, for the evolution of this, the process has been given by two things. The incarnation and karma. The law of karma is very involuntary law, eternal law. Whatever man does, does means not only physically but feeling and also thinking. The effect comes on him. He also expressed the effect all down on him, not only fellow human being, other features, other creation. And then somebody has joined now. That means whatever he does, it affects other, he has to realize that. And then he starts controlling his action at physical level, feeling level and thinking level. The person who don't know, he doesn't bother, he is hurting anybody, he is doing anything. So he doesn't bother but by that mistake he learns something and he also at later stage comes that. And this whole lesson, when he learns then person becomes perfect. When he doesn't have anything left to learn on this earth, then he becomes perfect human being on this earth. What we are talking about, Siddhas, a perfect man as mentioned in the Bible or Al-Insan as mentioned in the Quran, then becomes. So when he becomes at least known, then what happens? Then he starts removing the difference in the mind of the sex, of the race, of the caste. He treats everybody equally. At present women are treated differently, persons of different regions are taken differently, color of skin makes a difference. All the differences should go from that person who is taken, evolution in his own hand, in one's own hand. So all the differences go. Then the question, then the knowledge comes. It doesn't matter whether I'm Hindu, whether I'm Christian, whether I'm Muslim, whether I'm Indian, whether I'm Chinese, whether I'm Nagaland or from UP. I am same human being on this journey. And the evolution starts. The knowledge must come. At least it must come intellectually first. Then it should try to grasp and it should proceed that. The nature takes care of that. In every incarnation, he will go up in consciousness, in feelings, in capacities and all these things. And he will generally become perfect human being, will be accelerated with this knowledge and applying this knowledge to our life. So man in this way is his own master. That's why three great truths have been declared. One is that there is a principle, benevolent principle which is outside, inside us, everywhere, which is always beneficial. But this cannot be touched, this cannot be heard, this cannot be tasted. But this can be perceived if you can perceive. That means when I'm reaching, when I'm trying to perfect myself, I'm perceiving that there is some subtle energy which is impaling me from inside. That is the benevolent principle. It is working in everybody. Everybody only have to perceive that. And second is the human soul. Human soul, each of us we have got human soul. There are no limit to its growth, no limit to perfection. The height, glory it can achieve, there are no limit. You become human soul by this perfection. Man to human, human to human human, then perfect man, then became highest God, then became at God level. He can be there, ocean of consciousness, he can be there. And third great truth is man his own master, man his own destiny. He is destiny maker. No outsider force, no outside God, no outside power makes it destiny. Whatever it does, he gets, he reaps that. And according to that, he learns lesson, he proceeds. So this we must know. And having this knowledge of Lord Karma, that I'm no more master, I'm creator of my own glory or doom. I take myself in my hand and I change my thinking, my feeling, my working. And then I help in the evolution process. So this knowledge, who am I, helps us to understand what we are really, what are powers, latent powers and how to utilize that power. Not only for our own development, for our own meeting or goal, but for helping whole creation. So man is that stage, that spiritual being. At this stage, when the knowledge comes, then he becomes a, he utilizes mind. Mind is a wonderful worker given to us. Now at present stage our mind wanders in so many things. Past, present, this, that thing, very big, tricky things and very superficial things. When I come to know that I've got his mental power, which is a wonderful worker, then I try to control my mind. I consciously apply my mind to certain thoughts, to certain ideas, which I want to learn, I want to develop. I control mind, I control mind, I stop that mind to wander from this and that thing. Then that becomes a big force, big channel for. Similarly, when I do certain work, even small work in daytime, in our daily life, we pay full attention, what I'm saying, doing the work with heart. At present, my attention is scattered. So that's why the work is not done for fiction, not done for satisfaction. I can repeat mistakes. So when this knowledge comes, I pay proper attention. And then I became self-collected, wholesome, fully consciousness, acting with intent. Then we are in a right journey. For this, there are three processes. We have to study all this literature, content that are learned from somebody who has studied more and made it on this idea, a remedy for some time. And most important of all these things, after that, do self-service. Go on telling the people these principles, the life of principles, and try to help. Even if you know partially, it is better to tell others whatever you know, that your service, self-service. So this becomes a path and learning, contemplating, meditating, and doing self-service. This becomes a path. And by this path, we have to advance in evolutionary journeys. And then we reach our goal, goal, goal, and to human, to human, human, to protect man. Thank you very much. Any questions, clarification? Dr. Babbar? An enlightening talk. I just wanted to put one picture. Let me see that. I just forgot. Please sir, please sir. You still have time. Yes, I just want to... Okay, right. Okay. Okay, please see this picture. As I told you, man has dual nature. The upper triangle, its color is shown on nature. Sir, the picture is not yet visible. The picture is not yet visible. No, sir. My script is coming. Maybe you may switch on your video. My script is coming. Yes. Coming. Hello. No, sir. No, sir. It's not visible. My window is on. So some connectivity problem. That way, I have basically shown two triangles. Triangle of higher nature, the stone. And the bottom angle is of lower nature. As I said in principles of physical body, muscles and our lower thinking, then the higher triangle is of higher nature, which we say our body, liver, and higher mental thinking. So these two things, our lower nature, have you brought in line with your higher nature? And then we occur balance pattern, and the better it tries to balance each other, it becomes... Try again. This is already presented. I don't know. Is not my picture still? No, it's not clear. Nothing is coming, actually, maybe because of internet problems. Not visible, sir. Not visible. Okay, okay. So there's some problem. Sir, maybe you can try once again. Okay. Sir, it is perfectly all right. I guess there is some connectivity issue. Is it coming now? Not yet? Not yet? No, sir. I think this is connectivity issue. There's some problem. So let us talk about it. So our higher nature is our inner will. The will power. We have got will power. And that is our inner tranquility. We have got will power. And we can use like this for good work, for doing our desired work, their motivation. Then we have values. This comes in the higher nature. It's like this. Like loving care, like impartiality, all these are values. Then we are able to... We have to... The broader way, our business, the broader business, it should not be... We can try to... society, some ideas, we have thinking. That comes from your... Your voice is... Your voice is unstable. Pardon? Stable. Again connectivity issue. Yes. I think connectivity issue. So I think... Now it's okay, sir. Now it's clear. It is coming. Yeah. No, no, no. It's clear. Okay. So picture I could not show you because of this problem. Yeah. Anyway. Okay, sir. Then shall we... Shall we go for a question and answer session? Yes. Okay. So now the stage is open for a question and answer session. Understand. If there is any question, please go ahead. Hello. Yes. Please. Who wants to speak? I hope my microphone is clear. I want to ask the students. Hello. Yes, sir. Your voice is clear now. I still... No, still... My question is... Yes. Please. My question is there now. What is the deeper meaning of freedom, sir, in man, sir? Please clarify this matter. What is the deeper meaning of freedom? Freedom. Freedom in man. Freedom. Is the democratic question now? Freedom. Yeah. Please clarify, sir. Meaning of freedom in man is freedom from man. Freedom from the publisher. That is freedom. Freedom is not of the spirit. Freedom from the nature, from the material part of the world. From the... Our core tendency, negative tendency, negative feeling, that is the freedom. When we go free of that, we come to the real area, or to the nature, or the thinking, positive, all that. So freedom is always from the nature. And the real question is the... The present has to be lower and it's still more hard-necked at times. So this process will be later fixed. In the present, it can be initiated to treat my laziness for the fact that I'm lazy and not able to do work properly. So we do let go of real power to them for laziness. I've got some... I'm going to have to free from habit. So it will start from that. I've got feeling. If I'm visual, I have to have it to read that and to feel that. I can feel that. I can feel that. I can feel that. I can feel that. I can feel that. I can feel that. I can feel that. So this way, I can feel that it will work on the lower part we don't have the lower part. Yes. We have... We have to hear anything. For the next... Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Okay. I'd like to know one or two young participants to share their information very much and because it's been reading this morning and it will be for for patients. If we are able to read it. Okay. I think our speaker is not able to connect. Anyway, then... Oh, yes. Brother Aniruddha. Brother Aniruddha. Yes, sir. US Condeser is left already. US Condeser is already left. No, no, I'm not left. I'm here. It was disconnected momentarily. It was disconnected momentarily. But you're... Okay, sir. Thank you. I was asking any of the young participants whether they could listen, understand. Any one of them, one or two persons can react. What about Lily Chishisu? You do here. Before speaking, you have to unmute yourself. Otherwise, I'm not... Sir, I would like to ask a question. Can you hear me, sir? Can... Please. Your name is Aviv D. What is that? Yes, sir. My name is Aviv V. Thank you so much, sir. Okay. For the insightful discussion. There is a simple question that I would like to ask you. How would the philosophical philosophy explain for a person who surfers, for instance, like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder or any other mental-related problems when it comes to self-made? Okay. The mental problem is a psychological problem. And the whole of the philosophy is making some psychological problems. As I told you, we have a mental body. Which is our psychological body and we have mental problems in the psychological mental body. But think about it, think about it. So, I think solely there are psychological problems. So, generally, the mental body of a person or you could say what I say is that when you get the mental state and you stay there, then he has a psychological life setup. That's how you have it. You have to make a policy of the person who has this appointment. So, when he who has a number in one nation and he has a number in one country or when he is only speaking particularly understand the given meaning of his presence, then he comes to realize that he has a mental state with the mind. So, mind has now a mental state. That doesn't get the family, doesn't get people's attention. Not audible, sir. Your speech is not audible, sir. I really apologize for this network connectivity, but there are few things which we cannot control. Okay, so, sir, if you are able to hear me, thank you so much for your time, for your presentation. Today's topic has been very complicated and it is very difficult to grasp the gist of the topic in 30-40 minutes of the discussion. So, on behalf of Tetsuo College, on behalf of Dotbox Webinar Series, I am really thankful to you. Thank you so much, sir. Thank you so much. I am really thankful to all those who have joined. Okay, since the question and answer could not be complete because of connectivity problem, if the participants have got any questions, I request them to send to me directly or to Mr. Baba, and I will try to explain the message. Thank you very much. I would really love to extend this conversation. I think that is very important because the topic is very important. Okay. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you all of you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.