 So look you know probably better than most about the speaker and his role having having a bid for the job yourself So do you think the speaker was out of hand? Do you think Travis should have been flicked? Yeah, of course he he deserved it if you watch carefully the lead up to him being booted from the house He's actually packing his bags even. Yeah, it's true Well, no That there are rules that you have to follow and we do and we know when we're going to get booted So, you know Trevor. No, I agree. I agree with toe there I knew at the end that I was gonna go but I also knew I wasn't going to apologize for telling the truth And that's it's a pretty important thing for me. I don't when something is true. I don't withdraw from your Perspective, it's true. I mean but at the end of the day at the end of the day The rules say if the speaker asked you to to withdraw if you don't you're out of the air That's like right smile on your face Okay, it's all very entertaining for people for us who are watching and probably for you guys who are in the house But is it time? To let this go and get on with policy debate Well, I I think you've got to work out What is driving the policy debate and what has become increasingly clear is that the policy debate is being driven and special? Access is being given to people who can afford it the cabinet club is the very clear example of that You pay if you're apparently if you're in in vicar, do you pay a thousand dollars if you're in Auckland? You pay two thousand dollars if you're Chinese you pay five thousand dollars I mean, this is this is access to the Labor Party's Envy about how people raise funds and quite frankly what this says is the National Party is a hell of a lot better at Fundraising than these guys are and that's where it comes from. This is a whole strategy on Tuesday They had the opportunity to come in with the smoking gun with everything laid out for them And what happened the focus went on Trevor because Trevor's up to his old tricks again Look, Trevor, there's a point here toes making. I mean, I want to ask you this Could this now having had the best period labors had in goodness knows how long in months if not years could this now Starts to hurt the opposition this these continual attacks without any real concrete evidence being put forward Yeah, look, we're sitting here saying there's more to come there's more to come The interesting thing is is that the gallery was full of Australian members of Parliament on Tuesday and all they saw Was this huge kerfuffle about whether she did or she didn't and at the end of the day There is no absolutely no hard evidence out there that there's been some sort of corrupt practice The only guy to be put away on corrupt practice has been a labor MP