 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump mind pump with your hosts Salda Stefano Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews Yo, man, it's this episode of mine. Stop it Hey, brother Yo for the first 35 minutes we do our current events conversation before we get into the fitness questions We start off by talking about R&B music Yeah, oh we get fresh here in the studio loves it man. I'm just throwing around terms I'm bringing fresh back dude. I've been saying that's what does R&B stand for fresh Does anybody know what R&B? Rhythm and blues. There you are rhythm and blues is it? Maybe it is rhythm. We talk about Justin's teeth grinding problem and his gut health Connection and how he's changed his diet which has now solved his acid reflux problem has actually Helped quite a bit with his teeth grinding and the last thing now that he's doing to help fix this problem is take Probiotics and he's taking Organifi probiotics. It's 50 billion Bacteria beneficial bacteria the lactobacillus and buffito Bacterium you can go to Organifi shop calm enter the code mine pump and you will get a special Mind pump discount all of their products including the probiotics We talk about the brain how predictive it is the heart and the gut and how they're all connected Believe it or not The gut is the second brain and the heart is the third brain of your body from a serotonin receptor Perspective literally we talk about the impact of c-sections. We talk about Mark Zuckerberg's testimony Before Congress and what a great use of our tax dollars that was oh, yeah We needed that and then we talk about how Louisiana just voted to make Animal sex or sex with animals too much goat fucking illegal Then we get into the questions the first question was said by the chicken fucker Yeah, come on man. I'm gonna let that I want that nickname to die. How dare you okay? How dare you being people are gonna bring that back. 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Yeah, I should you know, it's funny Listen to you know old-school hip-hop quite a bit lately Yeah, my oldest is all into it now Yeah, you know it got you was in the sauna when we were blasting some sound it was We got my high school playlist what got you thinking of slow jams was the time in the sauna with Adam You're there too. Don't I don't weren't there. I never liked RMB. Really? No, I'm gonna tell Taylor that I like motel Taylor's R&B either Taylor's license plate says 90s R&B. Yeah, he's all into it It actually says that you know that all this time it will next time you go out and look at the parking lot today When do you actually listen to it other than when you're trying to get some you know what I mean? I think I can get into so I can get in some Drake that I can just listen to I like Motown But not when I was a kid now the first one of the first girlfriends I had well like serious girlfriends, you know, you actually make out with and you know Is that what constitutes a serious relationship? Yeah, I had girlfriends and I did that like in the class that was in our generation now I think what constitutes a relationship now is your status on Facebook. Okay, I think that's so she would have been she would have been my girlfriend I would have said it right in a relationship So her she was there was this funny thing about her where cuz you remember consider me think I was a freshman How old are you when you're a freshman 14? Yeah, you got to be 14 13. Yeah 14 15 Yeah, so I'm like 14 15 years old and R&B music 100% made her horny one like to the point where it was a thing where if I put it on she's like oh my god Don't put that on you know what happened. Wow that should work. Yeah, so that's the only I actually think that's more common than you think I think that's what's made it so popular Yeah, and I think the guy's singing it put that together, you know like oh, this is like R Kelly Who's the big the R&B, you know hero of the day of that at that time? Yeah, we're the guys are Kelly genuines Get on it. Yeah, right it to it One group that they end of the road boys man. There you go boys. Yeah boys Yeah, sure could follow I liked okay, I guess I did like R&B. Yeah, I mean, I mean that's that's Taylor's jam Every once in a while I'll catch him a jam and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah, not me. It's a bro. You're barely born around a time I know what yeah, right? That's kind of weird. He's in that like time capsule. That was so strange Justin how's your face besides your face your face hurt anymore a little bit like so I've been is it better It's bet. Well. Yeah, it's progressively getting better. I think I don't know. I'm trying to work through some issues I remember mentioning to you like Like I've been having this teeth grinding thing since forever So I've addressed some issues as far as like gird and like the the heartburn aspect of it since since like January I pretty much eliminated your coke habit at all. Well, the coke habit I have to keep so That's what keeps me up for the show switch to Pepsi. Yeah So yeah, so I've been like diving back deep into that and then you did some research and kind of told me like hey, dude You know, this this this might be gut related this might be you know more there with with the teeth grinding There might be more stuff to look into is the sleep apnea like all these different things like might be contributors And so even sleep apnea has Some functional medicine doctors will say is connected to gut health as well, right? So you're not like a you're not a big overweight guy, right? Because that can definitely contribute. Thank you for finally saying You know, I mean like I'm always the fat guy in the show That's the first time like you made a compliment. You're not the fat guy. You're the fattest guy on the show Yeah, I mean, but you're not the fat guy. Well, I know Well, I'll own that all day. I'm like I'm just the fattest I'm the chubs and the chubs anchors the show. Shut up, dude You know what I mean? The majority of our as you're rocking your anchor hat. Yeah, I'm the anchor chub The majority of our female fans like you most say dude, this is a true story Huggable 100% unless unless you don't shower or wear deodorant then you're after Sal. Yeah The weird thing is I don't really smell don't make fun of my fans like that Adam. Yeah, those are my fans Yeah, I'm the silver fox. They don't shave. So anyway, don't shave So so yeah, so I'm actually I'm trying to take this one on this this more seriously now Like I did with with the heartburn and So a couple a couple things I've been doing one of them is definitely I've been adding, you know some What are they called again? God? I just The I don't know supplements are you taking probiotics or something? Yeah, yeah, exactly Organicized probiotics. Yeah It's the worst commercial I've ever heard of my life right there He's like, hey guys, don't worry. I got the commercial today because I got a story to tell about some of the product I'm using What's that product product called guys like eating bacon and that's all I could think about is bacon This whole place is just filled with bacon smoke. I'm like, oh bacon. What was it called again probiotics? Organicize gonna be hella pissed like this commercial suck lately. No, no, I'm joking aside How how often are you taking it? No, so I'm taking it twice a day. So I'm trying to I'm trying to oh shit You think it's 50 billion if I'm not make that's a lot. Yeah, it's the decent Two of them a day. I've never done that before so I take a hundred billion a day when I'm taking probiotics sounds like crazy I know it's like such an astronomical number. Yeah, dude. They make them in the they make them in I take six. I take six hundred and fifty million That's about where I stay six six six trillion I'm working my way up to six trillion. They sell probiotics that come I think now a trillion They'll say like a trillion back. Are you serious? Yeah, which I don't know aggressive. Yeah What point is it too much? Well, that's the thing too. You don't want the overgrowth, right? So I don't want to go crazy with us. Well, I too much will probably give you bad effects It depends on the individual But you know what it reminds me the weight gainer wars back in the day or you know weight gainer 1,000 now I mines 2,000 I mines 5,000. I'm pretty sure more isn't always better with yeah with probably so anyway Like I've been eliminating gluten and all grains pretty much in general like I'm just which is already cured your huge It's been huge and think about that for a second. Let's stop for a second. You suffered from Gird for a long time like my whole life and you were taking Where'd you take a prescription? Mm-hmm pepsiday C or I forget what the Prescription is like nexium or something like that. What did you start that at what point in your life? Later like after college When it started to kind of creep up was that when you were working for me and you had to go because of the speed section Yeah, yes. No, I remember that I remember that as I was having a bunch of issues I remember you to take some time off of work and everything Adam Adam Tumor yeah, I actually develop a tumor on my it's not the tumor the tumor Yeah, you know, it's a move it. It's what it's an interesting situation. Yeah, I remember when you first Thanks for not give me crabs. It's not an essay I remember when you were you would talk about your acid reflex and you talk about how you had to take You know these prescription meds and you know, I know that it's it's probably related to food and talk Valorances, but it's so hard to see when you're in it because these are foods. You've always eaten. Yeah, you know I mean, yeah, what was it that finally made you was it because I know I kept sending you articles. Yeah I'm kind of stubborn, you know, I mean I like to find things on my own and so I kept sending them articles You know, you know, it's sour. I'll just plant seeds constantly. Oh, you know, he reminds me of my mother, dude It's like it's like a passive aggressive nurture, right? No, I mean like my mommy's like My mom says me like Bible verses right like what she thinks I'm sitting a lot in my life So I get like these Bible verses like she's you may as well just say it mom what you want to say You know I'm saying send it through a Bible verse Yeah, so sounds is the same thing but only with like health science Well, no, what like the ones that I'll be complaining about something going like I had eggs this to that And then I'll just start getting these these fucking articles over from yeah Well, no the one that I think that that did it for Justin was I Started reading science of showing how the medications he was taking could contribute to dementia Get it wrong. No, you're right. That's exactly when it triggered like I was like what and that's why I started get serious about it because I Visibly have seen my grandma like in her state where it's just I mean once she got all like Alzheimer Symptoms it happened really quickly and then I started thinking about dimension like how and I've talked to my mom about it too because like I wanted to make sure she's like Like making all the right moves to prevent it too because it's in you know, it's in our in our genes So I was like wow and then you know Max Lugavier and like his story and I've just been meeting these people that You know in the family like they just mentioned how quickly and how rapidly this happens and how you've had it like way before even know You know that there's any symptoms involved with so anyway It's scared the shit out of me and I was like I gotta I gotta tackle this one and and do something about it And and really, you know be diligent with it. So it's making a difference big time. Yeah Well, so what's your thoughts on the way? I use it right now because I don't take it daily I just kind of I take it when I eat something I feel like like when I told you before like all I have off the grid film with them off the grid That's I have it other than that I don't you know the problem with the with probiotics and the problem with this kind of therapy is We know that like the lactobacillus and the befiddo, you know bacterium are Beneficial, but we don't know much else like we don't know a whole lot. We know that when people take them They have less digestive issues. They tend to have better gut health less inflammation But it's I mean it's it's hard to explain just how complicated this entire system is the amount of information We know now we're not even scratching the surface what we're going to learn in the next 10 to 20 years about Our gut and how it's how connected it is to our entire health And how how much it influences our thoughts and our actions and behaviors and all the stuff I think it's going to blow people away. I mean think about it this way your immune system Which is largely comprised of your microbiome these this bacteria that are in your gut which help you digest food Help your body your body fight off infection infection Create the majority of your neurotransmitters help produce, you know things that help your body produce hormones like all these different things That system right there is older than your brain in terms of evolution like that whole system has existed for longer than your brain and Our your human cells are outnumbered by two to one or some or maybe some scientists say 10 to one So you're walking around and you're more Bacteria than you are human and it's older than you and the bacteria has been around longer than you I think it's I think it influences us way more than we could even imagine I think it influences most diseases and most Behaviors and most of things that we feel and think and well, it's interesting It feels like a little garden inside, you know, like where you're you want to get rid of the weeds You want to get rid of the the problematic types of bacteria and then introduce More the ones that are beneficial, right? So that's I've been eliminating a lot and making sure that my You know, I'm not like putting in the wrong foods and then now like starting to kind of introduce You know a new environment what some scientists think is that it's not that you're necessarily Populating your gut with these bacteria because There's some debate as to whether or not it actually survives and is able to stay in your gut rather than just getting passed out Uh, well a lot of scientists think is that these particular bacteria just prevent The overgrowth of other bacteria or may bring now That's what I thought that was kind of the thought process and the strategy behind what I was thinking by okay If I'm in taking something that's probably not ideal for my gut I'm going to try and counter it a little bit and so far. It's been a pretty good strategy for me I've had a lot of success with this Where you know foods where I go I'm going to eat it and I know like this is not ideal I may even have maybe I'm at a birthday. I'm gonna have some cake and ice cream or something like that And I know that because I'm not used to eating that on a regular basis like you know upset my stomach So all this sort of contains Yeah, and it in you know again, I don't this is anecdotal right this is my experience How I've been using it ever since because I wasn't somebody who'd run out and go buy a probiotic because I didn't think I had issues like that But I have noticed you know as I've gotten older That I'm more sensitive to these foods that I was able to get away with when I was in my 20s And I thought you know what I and we had them obviously we have tons of organized stuff laying around our house and our studio now I thought fucking I've never really messed with this and seen if it will help me and I noticed a big difference And now I've been paying attention to it and now I'm I try keep one I literally have one by my bed and then I have one downstairs in the kitchen So in case I forget like oh, I go to bed like oh, shit. We just had that burger before I'm like I got to make sure I have one of these and I swear dude It's made a big difference. Yeah, I mean the part that trips me out the most with The with gut health and in particular the microbiome which makes up a large part of that Is how it influences Your behaviors So like it can control your Or influence your libido it can influence your energy. It can influence your cravings And if you think about it, obviously it's this huge Community when I say huge again more than human cells in your gut and on your body And they will influence you to seek out foods that may then feed them So you might find yourself craving more sugar more fat More protein you may find that you're just eating more than you normally do Because they're influencing they want to feed themselves It's like an evolutionary like protection mechanism or them they're they're almost thinking to take care of themselves And then the other side of that the flip side of that is your thoughts Also probably influence your internal microbiome as well Because I can imagine and I'm pretty sure I can find studies to support that there may be a link there But I can't imagine that's something that didn't evolve with us for that long and that's existed longer than we have That it doesn't have some kind of a connection to Our state of mind and then prepare itself with what that may you know cause or create I tell me one person that's never had this before where You just got devastating news or something tragic or something crazy has happened and you feel that Stomach to the point where I know people have thrown up from it feel super nauseous from it It's there's something there for sure and I that's not like one or two people have said that I mean everybody I know can relate like oh, there's been a time where I've received Such crazy news that I my gut hurt like I stumbled over Yeah, your your your gut has a second highest concentration of neurotransmitter receptors like serotonin receptors in the body So it's the second brain And the third part, you know the third part of the body that has the highest concentration One guys guys are taking the heart. Yeah, so your heart your gut and your brain They they make up the majority of these receptors that you know serotonin attached to And what's trips me out is for how long have we said things like I feel it in my gut feel or listen to your heart Or I feel it in my heart or lead with your heart or so think about that for a second now We know our brain It contains an incredible amount of stored information Most of which we're not conscious of that's that makes up the subconscious like most of the stuff that we're conscious of It's such a small fraction of like everything that's happening our decision making all that stuff is very very small Most of stuff that's happening is kind of in the background that now we're not made conscious of bro It's and I'm 98 percent right 98 percent of what's going your your brain is downloading and processing 98 percent of the information that's in front of your eyes and you don't know you're only really We're only really catching it holding on to two percent and we're only conscious of and we're only aware of The conscious decisions we make we're not aware of the subconscious decisions Which are based off of this subconscious or this information that our brain has that we're not aware of right It's like a predictive algorithm So you can't tell me that that subconscious part of our brain isn't communicating with our gut and with our heart And that those things are not Help are part of the conversation and that we're not feeling things in our gut or we're not feeling things certain way And that's not just a a feeling out of nowhere magic It's based off of information that's being stored in the subconscious You know what I'm saying? That's why sometimes you ever walk into a room and you're just like doesn't feel Doesn't feel right or I don't like something about that guy or whatever. That's what's crazy It could be a number of factor of things right it could be like a scent that gives it off It could be like just the the energy the static, you know energy in the air and you know It could be just I don't know well part of that part of that is the way the brain operates Too is like our brain is also predictive So let's say for example You bringing up the example of walking in a room and feeling like this just like bad energy. I don't like it Well, you you're right There's certain things that could set that off like you may see a person language Yeah a person or body language or a location or an event that reminds you of something else that has previously happened in your life That didn't go well that was stored information. Yeah. It was traumatic. It scarred you a certain way You got into a fight or disagreement and that's so and it could be some consciously buried way back there But that gets resurfaced the brain becomes predicted the same formula and you're like, oh, I know how this goes And because it's subconscious you don't you're not necessarily aware of what's going on But you feel it and so we come up with words like The energy isn't good in here. Yeah, and it sounds all esoteric and in spiritual when in reality It's just your brain is did about a trillion calculations And is now giving you a signal Imagine if it's like a computer imagine if you had a computer in your brain You walked in a room and the computer talked to you and said, okay We just did a bunch of calculations and you need to be on guard. You'd be like, okay. I'll listen to you You know super computer. Well, that's what's happening, right? But you feel it in your gut or you feel it in your heart You're like, why do I feel We we've met people like this through podcasting where after we leave we're like, you know That person was nice or whatever, but I just didn't get a good vibe like something about that person I don't like you should trust that sometimes because that's coming from information From your brain. Is it always right? I don't know. No a lot of times and a lot of times It's not this is why we we kind of kind of glazed over this the other day when we talked about the whole thing with cops and I feel so bad for them because Imagine being that if we understand that our brain works that way that it just starts to download all this information That it's constantly seeing and then it also works in a predictive manner So imagine being a cop who's constantly around criminals constantly around people that are doing bad things Then when you see somebody you're automatic assumption whether you try or not They're they've they've already they've already started to forge that in the brain that You know be on alert like this person could attack you this person could hurt you Because somebody who I've seen just like this in this situation three four five six ten other times in my career It's gone bad. And so their their predictive brain is already telling them to be alert So now they're behaving in ways that right that yeah, that's why I feel so sorry for them Because then they they are they and then they then it gets blows up in their face when it doesn't go well You know, yeah, it's it's kind of crazy, but there was one Study I read a while ago where they had women go in a an fmri machine Which is a MRI machine that you can see in real time And they were showing like, you know, blood flow patterns in the brain Which kind of tells us like oh this part of the brain is activated right now and this one's activated right now Whatever and they had women go in and they were I don't remember what it was They were having them think about something or they ask them questions And then they had to meet yogurt with uh with bacteria in it So like fermented yogurt regular, you know, real yogurt Then they had them do the fmri machine again and the patterns changed enough for them to see it on the fmri machine Everything else was the same It was literally the bacteria weird that was now in their gut was changing how the brain was processing things So it's well think about think about that too. Like how many times are I mean when I don't feel good and I'm sick I'm also a grouchy fuck. Oh, right, right? I have a hundred percent connected for me anxiety and my like If I'm irritable and if I'm not a sharp with my gut health when my gut is on I feel like I'm unstoppable when it's off I notice I'm not as sharp I get more anxious And I've done it enough times now to make that connection because I keep thinking to myself like am I just thinking that or is that Is that a coincidence and no sure enough and probiotics for me at least When I'm feeling kind of off it's like and I don't think it's a cure. I feel like it's a really good band aid Yeah, I agree. I don't think it's a cure though. I mean your diet has to be good You have to have low inflammation if the foods you're not intolerant to you know and all that stuff but if you're if it can be a part of You know a protocol that helps and now can you find any of this stuff naturally? Or is do you have to get it like this the phyto and lactobacterium? I believe I think I know lacto grows in the lactobacillus ones grow in fermented dairy Yeah, the phyto. I'm not this could be even more important than for somebody who's a non-dairy eater, right? Or just you don't eat any fermented foods or that that too, which most people don't eat anymore Right. Nobody has fermented. Do you guys eat fermented food? I try occasionally. I mean really just kombucha is like I'll drink it. That's me too. Yeah, I prefer that over Yeah, like sauerkraut and stuff. I can't have any dairy. So I have no dairy. Do you guys do what? Yeah, I do. Okay, just I'm not a lot though. I don't have yogurt very often. You do the gogurt Yeah, the gogurt. We do we do gogurt. We do greek yogurt. We do occasional cottage cheese Um, I don't really mess with milk fermented though. It has to be fermented Otherwise, it's just regular milk. It doesn't have it. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true I know I don't get a lot of it and I drink kombucha occasionally like that But this is kind of how I I mean I I tend to try and follow like this Okay, my you know quote-unquote eating clean and then when I'm off if I'm all off the grid This is what I'll do is I'll recognize that and I think that's why this is a good thing You know to implement if you know as far as like having that in the diet too. I can supplement it that way It's pretty well established now that these two bacterias Or strains are beneficial and I know when you're in the hospital now even some hospitals will If you have like a intravenous Antibiotics or if they're putting on a really powerful protocol, they'll prescribe you Lactobacillus now and so it wasn't like this not that long ago So they see the benefit because they notice that it lowers risk of C. Diff, which is this Really deadly dangerous bacterial overgrowth that people will get in the hospital Especially when they're with the weak immune system or when they're on lots of antibiotics See this goes back to what we were just talking about on the last podcast Was that this is why I would love to make this guide is if you're somebody who never eats fermented foods And so like that this is something that you might want to look into as a possibility because again We always talk on this show about you know, we're always pro getting it through whole foods first I mean that is always ideal, but it there's going to be some people that just don't eat fermented foods ever You know, and I just I just read an article that talked about how there's this compound in women's breast milk that Not all women produce or in the right in the same amounts That then dictates The type of bacteria that the baby will have Also in their gut and they found that If this compound was low then they had less diversity and if it was high they had more diversity And so much of it is connected to your mom So much of your gut and what initially colonizes your gut Is is dependent on your mother and what's happening Is uh bacterial diversity as long at least as how we measure it because again, I like we don't know a whole lot about it yet Is becoming less and less diverse through the generations Because you know people are taking antibiotics. They become less diverse than they have children less to pass on Then those people grow up same thing less to pass on And which may be why it's taken a few generations for us to start seeing all these I've actually heard too like and this isn't like bacteria gut related but with with pregnancy like over time that um actually like the the hip width and and has been affected because of you know science now so we've been able to um, you know birth uh, you know, you know c-section and um, this is Actually kind of like turning into like it's changing um women's hips It's just changing the like the ratio. I guess of well. I think what's happening the population Yeah, I think what might be happening is that are we really doing enough c-sections to cause that to happen apparently Do you know how many c-sections happen in the western societies, especially in america? I don't know that I haven't that's not one of my Oh, it's it's like Courtney told me this so I don't know maybe single adam Leo is not like around bad. Go like, you know, I wonder how many c-sections Maybe you can look up what percentage of births in the u.s. Or c-section, but it's a sizable Percentage in some hospitals. It's a majority Where they do them. Oh, wow. So you're saying 50% or more in some hospitals because what happens is when you go in They want you in and out. Obviously you go in. Oh, i'm in labor. They'll time. They'll look at your your dilation Oh, it's not happening fast enough. Give them pitosin, which is my best my best friends Dude, his curl just did yep c-section. Yep, then they'll give you. Uh, wow. Look at that 32.7% Yeah, 32.7% and that was in uh 2013 Yeah, that's a very that's a high number That's well above the medically necessary target of 10 to 15 percent three times more Yeah, and so what's probably happening I watched a whole documentary on this and I did some more research Is that women are going in they're in labor? They check to see, you know, how how quickly they're progressing what you're describing I know exactly what you're not moving fast enough. We need to give you pitosin pitosin will speed up the process pitosin is acting like oxy Tosin I think in the body so it's mimicking that except it doesn't have the same Exact effects now you have stronger harder contractions. Now you're in way more pain pitosin makes it way more painful Now you're like I want Drugs I want to be on epidural and uh because this is hurting so bad Then they put you on an epidural which now you're on your back. You're incapacitated your legs are up Terrible position to have a baby one of the worst very hard to push one of the worst You want to use you want to be able to squat or sit up because that uses gravity So now you're on your back. So now your your legs are up. You've got pitosin making it more painful So now you've got this drug that's putting you on your back. You can't push is effectively Now the risk that you're not able to get this baby out on your own has increased tremendously Now they're like, oh, baby's in distress It's not happening. We need to go do a c-section and so it's like this it's like this series of events that leads to More c-sections and then c-sections themselves You know, they're they're now showing uh Children that are born to c-sections lest diverse microbiome because they're not going through the birth canal Um, it reduces the bonding That mothers can have with or at least it reduces the or increases the risk of having bonding issues because oxytocin is not being produced Right, which is that bonding, you know chemical. It's the baby the breast feedings also Yeah, and the baby gets with them. They don't latch on as easily and all that stuff So and you know what happens is become politicized like if you start talking about this Then you have like women who've had c-sections get real defensive like, oh, you know, don't talk about how I did You know, right my baby or whatever. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't I didn't even touch that with my buddy I was just like, oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even you know, dude I watched a tough one. There was one weekend we were Me and Jessica watched this documentary and I was so blown away by it and so then You know, I watched more information and then you see births that are natural with like a midwife And way different. Oh, yeah way different experience part. Yeah, it's crazy It's doesn't it's not like this emergency like crazy situation like it is when you rush into the hospital That's how my cat his kids, right? Matthews. Uh, I think so. Yeah, both he told me that. Yeah I'm in fact. I believe that he even I believe the second kid He flew him and his wife to the first midwife because it because it went so well. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah No, that's cool. That's cool. It's cool when you look into this to see how it seems gnarly But it's cool. How many things that we've made So so crazy because of the way we approach everything everything's an emergency. Well again I mean we talked about this earlier this week too, but the whole pendulum swinging thing It's like one of those things where it's like, oh, we found out We've learned to be able to Save these save the baby save the mom and then we went to an extreme to where we started doing it so much To where it became more of like a convenience. Yeah, that's ease. Right. Right. We don't want anybody to be in pain and discomfort Right. So what? Yeah, that's crazy. It's part of the process. Anyways, you guys see the uh, facebook Thing going on here's mark. Is that right? Oh, so what I didn't watch it Did you watch an announcement that you know, so he he was he had to testify in front of congress About facebook bullshit. Oh What a waste of tax money come on now for reels. We're gonna spend money on paul. You know what it is Okay, so here's what's scary bro. That's what it is. Here's what happened They had there was a company that created this app that then was able to collect everybody's data from facebook and then use it to Mark it to them To sway the campaign or whatever. So there may be some uh, some, you know, breaches of agreement there So that's fine. We definitely don't need congress Doing a whole freaking, uh, you know investigation and having mark zuckerberg testified what I think it is Facebook is powerful. Yeah, they're big politicians. They don't like anybody feeling, you know, stronger than they are It's like they assert themselves inflection on them for you should have seen the questions They were asking them. It was like that you had the republican, you know, uh, uh, you know congressman Grilling him about censoring or being biased with facebook and censoring conservative pages Which is probably happening, but you know what it's a fucking private company. You dumb shit, right? Like he can do whatever he wants. You don't like it. Get off get off facebook Then you had other congressmen who are trying to insinuate or say that facebook is a monopoly You know i'm saying a monopoly. What social media. Yeah, then when they came out of the scene My space was massive, right? It's so crazy. It's so insane that what what they're trying to who cares like Now facebook is breaking the law and all that stuff and they have evidence of that I could see that but I think what it is is they want What they're trying to do is they're trying to politicize this to try to make the case that facebook the republicans are trying to say facebook is unfair to Liberals because or excuse me unfair to conservatives because they're censoring things and that's not good And then the liberals are trying to say Facebook swayed the election in favor of donald trump because Of their information that they know on people and that everybody hates facebook And you know why they want that to happen so that people are okay when the government steps in And regulates all social media and for our safety The reality is they're setting the table right now They are dude because they already own the old media like old media I mean come is anybody gonna argue that old media is not owned by government Let's be honest like all you got to do is tune in to fox and then tune in to msnbc or cnn And and they'll talk about or cnn. They'll talk about the exact same topic or subject from two completely Different angles and ends and they'll present their own evidence and everything you're like, whoa Obviously, this one's owned by the republicans. Obviously, this one's owned by the democrats This is complete bullshit. So that's old media. They don't own new media yet But they're trying to they're trying to get their hands on it because that's when they had those That you do that big thing on front of everybody and then you then you call mark in behind closed doors with no cameras You say hey, listen, this is you see how this went, right? Yeah, we can make this really fucked up for you Or or you can let or you can let our hands in the cookie jar exactly that's exactly that shit goes down Exactly, they're they did the same with the shakedown with with apple tim cook and all that stuff trying to get information Remember they said that it was like holding out From getting terrorists because you know, they wouldn't give access to everybody's phones. Yeah No, it's it makes me so angry because fuck you they see, you know, here's the game by the way Here's the game that they'll play they'll play the game where it's like We're doing it for first. They'll see that there's something powerful that they're not in control of Then what they'll do because you know, obviously we're a consumer driven economy and we do have We do vote for certain things. They'll see they'll say, okay This is dangerous. We need to be safe So that people then will vote to have more regulations So we're asking for that kind of control that otherwise if they just jumped in people would be against it But this way they can demonize the whole thing. Yeah, and then make it like they're trying to save our ass Yeah Yeah captain save. No, it's absolutely stupid. Leave them alone. Leave facebook alone. Leave tech alone. Anyway Another article I read yesterday. Here's a here's a good one. I read this and I thought is this real If it's not if it's real this is gonna be crazy. So Louisiana Just voted their senate just voted on a bill To ban sex with animals So bestiality is now illegal in Louisiana. Nothing's shocking there, right? Yeah, nothing's shocking there The vote was 25 to 10 so So, uh, I wonder how matt vinson feels about that. So 10 10 people voted for pro pro what pro fucking chickens. I mean, justin is a chicken fucker I am Must be true. What's uh, what's uh, what was the reason for voting against that? Yeah, pro Did I say It's like those commercials like four out of five, you know four out of five dentists says it Who's that one asshole that's always a guy? How do you police this? What I want to know like your noises over there right right or dog Yeah, excuse me, sir like how do you how do you even somebody smuggling a dog? How do you even catch somebody? I mean, I guess maybe you put that those laws in place So if you do catch them well, it's probably to stop people making videos and actually putting it out there, right? So it's probably people. Oh, well good luck on the internet Right. Well, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying like and you and you're doing it out of louisiana All I have to do is do a go a state over and I can get away with fucking my chickens It doesn't make sense to me. Isn't that hilarious doesn't even work. Yeah, I don't I don't even know how that You're the master All your well-behaved chickens now Hey, I get them in their place. Yeah, so New Orleans senator JP moral says it's important to hat to that the state has a way to arrest someone For having sex with animals. Wow. Yeah, they were apparently worried about this I guess it came up enough time. Yeah. Yeah, people got busted doing it I wonder if like cops have just been on the beat and then they just like stop in I think it's like a domestic dispute But it's like we heard some screaming That's That's like some guy the new like low man on the totem pole for like cops You don't say like I think it's like being a bike cop is like the worst thing right now, right? How does that work? Like if you're a beat cop like there's all these levels like you don't want to be put on you're the new Guys so that you get the phone call Ah man, another one's fucking a goat. Yeah, you get that one. What's happening? We got a complaint from the farmer john Yeah estate, you know, we need to go over there and bust them these poor goats. We gotta do something Let's create a law. Yeah. Yeah. Oh god bird. Please save us This clause brought to you by organized for those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organified fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health the performance the added edge Try organifi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organifi.com That's or gani fi.com and use a coupon code mine pump for 20 off at checkout All right, the first question is from logan nulls 18 is forearm strength an area that needs dedicated training Or do they get plenty of training as a byproduct of training through gripping and lifting? That's an interesting question. Yeah, you know, it depends. It's yeah, it's becoming both really It's becoming it's becoming issue weak hand strength and grip has become an issue in gyms Like the last I don't know wrist wrist straps. How long have people been using wrist straps? Yeah, how long has that been around like how long has that been popular? Definitely been around since I've been lifting like I remember 90s body, but blah 90s bodybuilders. I think made it popular It's interesting because your hands I mean you're you evolved to have Extremely strong hands all of us did all humans did. I mean that's what connects you to the world So literally speaking from an evolutionary standpoint if you couldn't hold something Then you couldn't lift it regardless of how strong your back and your legs and your shoulders were if you couldn't grip it It didn't matter right and we did we are evolved from primates and primates all typically You know have very very strong hands and can you know swing from trees and all that? Although we don't swing from trees anymore. We don't have those types of hands Our our hands are meant to be extremely strong I just think that they're weak In people in a similar but not as bad a way as people's feet Because every day life how often do you involve like your grip strength in everyday life now? You know in modern times Like you never you never do a lot less. Yeah, unless you're in construction Or like you ever shake a construction workers hand. Oh, yeah It's always a whole it's like another animal like they've just got this very strong hands very meaty hands They're always grabbing twisting, you know like screwing things in or picking up You know heavy shit all day swinging a hammer or whatever. So, you know if you're working out in the gym I think it's better to not use Wrist straps as much as possible Early on especially to develop that kind of grip strength Otherwise you'll always have this kind of imbalance where You know your back and your legs and everything else is stronger than your ability to To hold on to and grip things And it's hard to catch up. It's harder to play catch up If you if you've been lifting for 10 years And now you're deciding you want your hands to catch up because I know for me this took This took like four years up and up until maybe about five or six maybe five or six years ago I would use wrist straps on certain lifts and then I started getting rid of them and Just focusing on on trying to hold on to my the bar when I would deadlift And it took me a while at first. I couldn't even grab on I couldn't hold on to a bar And then I could hold on to heavy deadlifts with an alternate grip And now I'm down to a hook grip and I can pretty much hold on to whatever I want that way Or at least whatever I can I can let my back can lift as a result of that Now alternate grip is an alternative, but it's not the best alternative because it can cause imbalances I I experienced I know adam you did in your back when you were doing that for a while Yeah, um, so, you know double overhand grip or a hook grip But studies will show that when you're when you use wrist straps Which is the thing that goes around your wrist and attaches around the bar It actually changes recruitment patterns all the way up into the shoulder So when you're doing your rows and you're pulling It changes a recruitment pattern and that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing It just means that your recruitment pattern. Yeah, and your recruitment pattern now is developing Strongly around using a wrist strap. So you're dependent on it in a sense You become a little bit more dependent on it So then if you're in the again if you're in the real world and you need to apply your Strength and you don't have wrist wraps. You may increase your risk of injury. I've noticed that as a result I remember back. We used them mainly for power cleans But then I would I got so dependent on it even doing like dumbbell rows I was like, wow, I should be doing more weight than this But I mean my grip just was not as strong to kind of produce Um, you know to stabilize the weight as I was rowing it. So I'd after that I was like, I'm done with wrist wraps completely and I've I think I was the first like I just completely abandoned them and was telling like all my clients or my friends or whatever Like I just I'm not for them. I get why People like to have the wrist wraps, you know when they're lifting because it's obviously you can you could feel a nice solid Secure grip and while you're lifting you can lift them more in a sense But um, yeah, it's it's to me. It's always been like I haven't earned it unless I can pick it up with my hands without any kind of accessory Yeah, over time what happens too is like if you're especially if you're a bodybuilding and so you're doing lots of volume Uh, you know, if you're doing 15 sets for your back Halfway through your workout, it's your grip May start to fatigue and now you're limited by your grip and it just takes time It can take time to develop the point where your grip then Now can keep up with your ability to pull Um, now, of course, there are situations where I think you probably should use a wrist wraps For example, if you're a strong man and your event involves lifting a weight with wrist wraps, which they do They do do lifts where they have to deadlift or pull some off the ground and they're allowed to use them Well, then you want to train with these particular tools and they're stretching Like capacity and boundaries beyond like a reasonable like they need like everything To to hold all their joints in place throwing this kind of weight around I mean, I think I think it really just depends on what your desired outcome is like if you're I don't think you need to to supplement or do just forearm training unless you it's a limiting factor unless Unless you can't get like above 400 pounds or whatever your whatever's a lot of weight for you Deadlifting and the reason why you can't has nothing to do with your leg or your back strength and everything to do with your Rib strength like if you care about that and that's what's keeping you from lifting that then I could see Dedicating some effort towards building that Um, or do you see it like squat shoes like like I have to squat lighter because I Because I have my feet, you know or flat or whatever actually I do see it kind of like squat shoes But and I was actually just talking to Taylor about Using squat shoes because he was asking about it because of his his depth right now He's getting really good at being able to squat deeper and I said, you know Right now you're doing really lightweight and you're working on mechanics I said where I would use squat shoes still if I were to bring him out of my bag today Is if I'm deciding like today, I just decide, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna press I'm gonna push the weight up more than I have in a really long time And it's just like a safety precaution for me. I know if I got that heel I've got a little extra range of motion that I for safety purposes like and while I'm doing something that I have done for I might throw them on for that same thing goes for like deadlift if I were I'm gonna deadlift with no wraps You know 95 percent of the time, but if also then I decide today like I want to I want to see I want to chase a pr or I want to see I haven't lifted really having a long time I'm gonna push a weight that I haven't done Let's see like if I'm gonna go like like today. I haven't gone over 500 pounds in a long time So if all of a sudden I was kind of feeling froggy today And I'm going to go out and do you know some really heavy deadlifts I might throw my straps on today just to just to see how that feels because the last thing I want to do when I'm already Challenging myself weight-wise everywhere else I don't want my forearm to slightly give and then throw the weight off a tiny bit And then I tweak my back over some bullshit like that And I don't think that one time is going to do that much harm So and then the only other time I could see too is if somebody is Uh, like if you're into if you're building a physique like you're a bodybuilder And your forearms are disproportionate to uh, your arms and your shoulders And so you have really small forms So you want them to look a certain way so I could see doing that but honestly if you're doing Shrugs if you're doing farmer walks if you're doing deadlifts And you're and you're not using wraps to do those things I think you're gonna you're gonna develop some pretty strong forms I think it's silly when when I see guys doing like a shrug and they use wraps because both of those are You know, uh Both of those are small muscles that you're targeting You may as well develop the forearms while you're also developing your little traps, you know what I'm saying? Does it make sense to me to Rob peter to pay Paul in a sense right unless you had these overdeveloped forms It's just you know, it's there's there's a couple body parts that Being okay, obviously being in fitness for as long as I have I can usually tell from a long distance away If somebody is strong or in fit you can always tell even if they have a sweater on If you if you're experienced in fitness you tend to be able to tell But there's a few muscles that I can if I see them Developed on a man that I can tell that they're not they don't just work out But they're actually like real world strong. What I mean by that is if you tangle with this fucker He's gonna he's gonna you're gonna have a tough time Well, there's just and one of them is like hands and forearms right right the other one is like upper back and traps Hips if the dude's got big glutes and hips usually they've got power boxy core Yeah, when you see those things it's like oh and I learned that I mean especially doing, uh, brazilian jiu-jitsu grappling judo and wrestling You go wrestle somebody or especially if you if you grapple in a gi like jiu-jitsu or judo The difference between somebody who has a monster grip and somebody who has a regular grip is a huge Difference in how they're gonna fuck with you even if you wrestle and you don't use a gi Somebody grabs your wrist. I've I've grappled with like olympic caliber Greco-roman wrestlers and That guy gets a hand of he just puts his hand on your shoulder or grabs your arm And you're basically his bitch. He'll do whatever he wants with you by gripping Have you ever had somebody grip your wrist and able to squeeze your arms so hard? Yeah, that you have to give up just from that and and so I don't know for me personally That's always been something that I've always been like wow That's that's kind of cool. It was a major strength of mine as a kid because I worked in the dairy, dude You're always so I used to so when my buddies and I know it's crazy. So I remember I'm skinny kid, right? I was wiry looking when I was in high school So I wasn't the buff kid out of our friends But when we wrestled I fucked everybody up Because I literally I had a desk wrestling with the cal even if you could get on top of me If I could get a holding control your wrist arms, too You're done. Yeah, I would wrap my arms around you and grab a hold of you. You couldn't do anything I don't care how big and strong you were as kid when we were kids like my friends that were Into weightlifting football and they were bigger than me I could I could wrestle two of my buddies because I could control one of them with one with my grip On one hand why I'm fucking with the other one because I had long arms and shit And I never connected that to probably all the dairy work that I was doing I'll tell you what, you know It's talking about hooking hooking some bales of hay all day long and throwing that around and milking cows and shit Dude for sure and I'll tell you what you know, it's funny about that is and this is maybe not off topic It's kind of connected, but you know the things you do as a kid when your body's developing I think that kind of stuff tends to stick around More permanent and you might get more like hyperplasia as a result Like that's where muscle fibers split and become new muscle fibers because like like talking about you adam You when we first met, uh, you know, we started doing mind pump You use wrist straps a lot in your back training all the time You were training for physique and bodybuilding so your goal was aesthetics and I didn't I never used them, right? Then when we would go work out and we'd have fun with Gripping and grabbing things even though you use rips at wrist wraps all the time You could hang with me which I was always I usually crush people with my grip It's usually something I'm one of the strongest things that and it's it probably because you've had that fucking It's a kid that I'm sure I mean it makes sense now looking back I didn't know that as a kid but for I mean, dude I every day at the dairy was This constant Forearm motion. I mean if you've ever lifted if you've ever used hay hooks and lifted bells of hay I mean, it's all forearm strength. Oh, dude In in college. I remember the strongest guys on the team were from farms and from kansas and from indiana And they were the like by far like it wasn't even close the comparison when you put them next to somebody else They had just so much just raw strength and grip strength and and power for me. I remember One thing that was, you know, it wasn't much of a grip. I had to really build and develop a grip strength Like that's something I had to like intentionally work on But what I did have inherently Was power and like a snap and like that came really easy for me and that's something that I kind of like traced back to Just constantly chopping wood like that was like that was a chore that I I absolutely loved And so I would always request that and so every single Fall winter like growing up like I was chopping wood for days chords for the entire Community I was like chopping wood. It's crazy when you start to go back and think about all that stuff because I'm I'm thinking too I've got I forgot. I mean shit. We used to I mean I grew up on a lake too, right? So we used to wakeboard and if you guys have ever grabbed and held. Oh, that's the weakest link, right? Oh, oh, yeah, and we would we would go from sun up to sundown all day riding And it's funny because now as an adult I try and do that and I'm fried He has fried. Oh, yeah, it's super. Yeah, so my so my dad obviously he grew up in Sicily and He him my dad side of the family. They're they like strength They like doing feats of strength and stuff like that And my dad used to do that kind of stuff too and a lot of the old feats of strength involve hand strength so like, you know, you know ripping things or Doing the balance with the uh with the big sledgehammer. You ever seen that one where you extend your arm out You bring the sledgehammer. Yeah, to your nose or lifting a shovel with your arm straight with weight on it And then of course my dad's always worked with his hands and my dad's hands Are like they're like two they used to call him. So when he came to jiu-jitsu He actually came to jiu-jitsu with me to train when he was I want to say 50 This is after and he's not he didn't work out or anything. He's just doing his labor Or whatever, you know labor He would come in and do jiu-jitsu and people would call him iron man And then it was because of his grip he'd grab your gi and they're like you're fucked once he grabbed you Couldn't do anything and there were times when he would grab people's hands And he would just squeeze their hands and they would tap out from his hand and they'd all get pissed off and Old man strength. It's like it's like out of a movie right there like a cartoon character Bro, his hand he just says no his hands didn't make any sense how strongly it worked But you know, then you go and you meet People that he works with who've been doing this kind of work for as long as he has a lot stuff and then it makes sense You're like, oh, yeah everybody But anyway, as far as should you dedicate training to your grip if if you if you if it's out of balance If you really want develop forearms and hands if it's something you're into Yes, otherwise You just want your grip to be as strong as it needs to be to be able to handle the rest of your training In which case I say use chalk don't use, uh, you know wrist straps and uh, especially in the beginning and you should be fine Grab heavy awkward stuff dead dead deadless men and when farmer walks I oh and and snatch grip high poles. I've been doing that shit lately. Oh, oh, can I tell you something right now? I have never done an exercise that fries the shit out of my traps like a snatch grip high pull Of course not even close no shrug No, nothing. Yeah, it comes close to that but then your grip too because your grip so wide so wide. Oh Yeah, it's tough pop eye coming Next question is from more jojo. Why do women suffer from auto immune issues more than men? Oh, we talked about this. Yeah, did you guys know the statistics on this? So you've actually I think dropped this before so I think something like over 70 percent of auto immune issue cases Or diagnosis in in in America go to women So women actually the vast majority of auto immune issues go to women women are something like three times as likely To suffer from auto immune issues. Is it because of the hormonal difference? There's a few there's a couple reasons One is the x chromosome Carries more genes that affect the immune system than the y chromosome So men obviously have an x and y chromosome women have two x chromosomes So they have more of these genes that control the immune system Now that's good and bad good in the sense that women tend to fight off infection Better than men and they tend to live longer than men But the the payback or it's not the payback. I should say the flip side of that is That their immune system becomes a little bit more hyper vigilant then on top of that The estrogen hormone Promotes a more a stronger immune response And of course women have higher levels of estrogen in the body now. I think women evolved to have these things because women evolved Many different reasons, but one of them is to be able to bear life And so they need to be able to fight off infection more they need to have a more versatile immune system Again, we talked about this earlier. They pass on the microbiome all that stuff And so they're just it's just their their immune systems tend to be hyper more hyper vigilant And women are also more sensitive in my experience and there's also some evidence to support this That women are more sensitive to like stress on their body So like if they fast more often if they work out too hard or if they lose more sleep Then they tend their bodies tend to go into You know these states of you know, either autoimmune or hpa access dysfunction At higher or faster rates than men do Um, and it may just be a protection mechanism. You know what I'm saying? I think it's only fair I mean, they're they're already smarter and more attractive than us. So they can't have better guts too Have you guys noticed this with clients like we're We're You know to be honest with you like when you do coaching you see more damaged metabolism Yeah, I wish that I had the the level of education knowledge and experience that I have now Uh looking back, you know 10 plus years ago, right? Like What where I'm at now compared to where I was like these are the type of things that I Think of right away because I didn't realize back then Uh, how popular and how common it was and how much it can be a limiting factor on your client's success, right? Like when you get when a client hires you Or they would hire you, you know 10 15 years ago It'd be you know, I want to look this way or I want to lose this weight or I want to build muscle And that's all we ever talk about and so all of my research all of my conversations everything we talk about is Around that and so I wasn't addressing a lot of the stress about sleep and a lot of potential auto immune stuff Or if they were allergic to certain foods like these types of conversations I wasn't having so I didn't really start to see the rise of it or or what seemed like there was a rise of it When I got into like coaching, you know bodybuilders and women's bikini athletes Then you start to see more and more of this and so it seems like it's Super common or more common, but I also don't know me being honest. I don't know If it was more common before I wish I would have known that because I wouldn't have been surprised if I had probably clients that were getting flare ups retaining water holding with that Thinking that they weren't seeing the results from whatever program or diet I had them on and they were really getting some sort of a reaction And so I'm sure that I had a lot of people that struggled that I didn't even know Yeah, you know, like the clients that I'll work with now typically if somebody comes to me and I'm going to find that their Metabolism is adapted in a too strong of a way in the negative in the sense that it's much slower Or if we're going to notice like hormonal imbalances now with men, we are seeing lower testosterone start to happen But um, you know, that's that that's probably that's probably related to Like more environmental factors or anything. I've noticed women's bodies reacting a little bit more strongly to over application of exercise intensity And dieting and again, I think it's just think it's also Exposure to beauty products like we had mentioned it could be it could be all of those things You know, if you just like add in volume of like all these factors I mean it could be I just think I think that the like here's what happens to a woman And this is forget beauty products forget chemicals If you get a woman to a certain body fat percentage Her warm her body her hormones and everything will shift significantly to the point where she stops having a period and she can't have a baby That doesn't happen to a man until you get to ridiculously extreme levels like if I take a guy from You know 12% body fat, which is relatively lean and I get him down to let's say 7% body fat, which is pretty damn lean. It's not like bodybuilder shredded But it's like you got a six pack and you're looking pretty shredded His testosterone his hormones his body Not going to be too different at least if he does it the right way if I take a woman and I get her Yeah, if I get a woman down to probably lose her but her period She's even if I get her down to 12 or 13% body fat, which is very lean for a woman Like so twice as much body fat than than the guy Many of them will lose their period and hormones will start to shift and change and I think it's just again the body is like Oh, we need to we need to make sure we can't have a baby because we don't have enough fat And we're not getting enough calories and there's too much stress on us type of deal Um fasting there's a little bit of research too on fasting to show like Guys can do this like constant fasting every single day And some women if they do that they start to get some of those negative side effects Which is why I you know I say fasting on a consistent, you know, regular basis may not be a great idea for a lot Well, this is remember we brought it the other day and you said that it's like a stress All right, I said it was like a stress can't be yeah And and I think you I think you corrected me and said that some Vulture long dr. Valtolongo hates it when people say it's a stress But I think it can be a stress. I know I look at it like that I think it's that's why I also tell people too that it's an advanced way of eating in my opinion I think which sounds crazy, right not eating or Restricting from food But I mean I was just talking to somebody on my instagram the other day that was asking all these fasting questions And I'm like they're fasting every single day And their question has always these people are always about it's about fat loss. It's about weight loss You know, it's like I'm fasting every day and I'm only eating one meal a day and I'm still not losing weight I'm like that's not that's not what you should be doing like it's why yeah It's not just calories in and out. It's not just this math problem you're dealing No, yeah, there's a lot more variables and factors to consider with that And you if you do it every day It's only a matter of time before the body gets adapted to that and becomes efficient metabolism slows down It becomes more efficient at the amount of calories that you're getting and there's also, you know Something else to consider too is your your state of mind can definitely I think affect Your health and it can affect autoimmune issues And the stereotype of course is that women worry more or stress more or whatever And the the research actually shows that there's some truth to this now It may be that women have more to worry about In the sense that they tend to do most of the household chores and they also tend to bear the brunt of the burden if there's a if they're a single parent or whatever That may play a role. It also may be an evolutionary thing where You know, women tend to be better at multitasking and just this again just on an individual basis There's gonna be wide varieties. Some men are gonna be terrible at this and someone will be great in vice versa But generally speaking if you do tests where you're testing a person's ability to hyper focus on something Men tend to do better and if you test people's ability to multitask Women tend to do better and I think because of that they they maybe they have a tendency to take on more Tasks and lots of different things whereas maybe the guy's like, okay I'm focused on this one thing and that's it and the woman's like I gotta worry about this this that and the other And that kind of stress or that low-level moderate consistent stress For sure plays a role In autoimmune disorders at least in your health for sure And I do know that women are take a majority of antidepressants and anti anxiety medications Probably because of that. So there's a lot of factors that I think but Scientists have identified That the x chromosome Probably plays a role because it there's more genes that we've identified that are tied to the immune system Is there any correlation and hormones control? Well, if the estrogen type hormones tend to fuel Uh a hyper vigilant immune system. I can only imagine that taking a You know estrogen based or you know estrogen like type pill May contribute to this I can only imagine, you know, it's funny about autoimmune issues for many of them The symptoms reduce significantly when women are pregnant So when women are during pregnancy like people like women with ms Those their symptoms will start to decline. I think that's just because the immune system Naturally tries to take a back seat just because if you have a Super like a hyper vigilant immune system It'll abort your baby because it'll view it as a as a foreign invader. Oh, wow And so I'm one I'm thinking that that's probably what's happening during pregnancy, but yeah It's just one of those things that's probably because it's such a big percentage of a difference. I don't think that Environment and actions are account for, you know, 75 or 80 percent of the fact, you know The fact that 70 to 80 percent of autoimmune issues go to women or whatever that are diagnosed I don't think that's necessary. I think a small percentage of that is Environmental and action I think a larger percentage might be genetic because we see such a broad, you know difference Next question is from Cyrus T. Foo. It seems hybrid athletes are becoming more popular Or at least athletes are competing in several different kinds of sports Is it possible to excel in all three physique strength and endurance despite them being so different? Isn't that this is what made uh bojaction so special right back in the day? Well, you know You know, it's funny at all. We hit we took those it was god. It was a long time ago What we had our buddies from training slate on here And one of the guys he specializes in training young athletes And he we touched a little bit on this topic and I found it really interesting and and I When he said it like I had kind of a thought that that would be the case But I'd never heard anybody else explain it as well as he did so if you want more on this to go back there but What he was talking about was You know, is it better to have a kid Play one sport his whole life like if I want my kid to go to the NFL I should put him in football football football football He should play football his entire life or soccer it doesn't matter whatever sport right And they should play that sport their whole life as much as possible year around And he says it's actually not true and it would be far more beneficial for that kid To diversify his sports like soccer baseball football playing all all three of them Because there there are lots of carryovers for that and while he's developing He's going to get a lot of benefits from each developing more like body awareness Right before and then maybe as you get it later on in life It becomes more advantageous to hyper focus on one sport So maybe and I don't remember what he said and do you remember Justin? Yeah, you know, I I think it was Dr. Brett McCabe that was actually talking about that I don't think it was that but yeah, I remember that distinctively when when he was describing You know like a young athlete versus like somewhere like around After high school college kind of level athlete where now we're kind of honing into our skill We've built the foundation of You know our skill set now we're going to kind of direct it completely into And sort of hone in refine You know that added adaptation towards that specific sport, but yeah because that way You know, there's certain things like you're going to build all these these compensations and patterns And if you do it Consistently since you're like a young kid I mean it you got to think of that from a longevity perspective as well So well right and then it takes if you're if you become and we'll use an example I think it's really easy for people to see like if you're a pitcher And you and you like you only have a certain amount of pitches in your arm Right and you're and you're throwing on one side all the time And if you were to do that your whole life as a kid as a young adult I've seen I've met kids like that right it would not be ideal And and that person is more likely to hurt themselves somewhere else because they're not strong in other planes, right? So making that same kid maybe play soccer or another sport that For forces them in these different planes and to use different parts of their body I mean it's you could you could definitely parallel that to like our methodology with maps and how we try to Take people outside of their comfort zone go into a different phase adaptation something to experience while also refining like building this solid foundation of you know movement and and and muscle and and and different patterns to establish so that way You know your body it it all sort of pours back into the cup You know you get new skill sets you pour it back into the cup and then you refine it It does so what I've noticed with with kids because I have two young kids I watch them play sports And definitely the young kids for sure The if my daughter's playing basketball the kid that's best at basketball is probably The best at all sports because at that age, it's not so much about the skill of that specific sport It's more about the fact that they have good motor skills Exactly right, but as you get older like now my son's in seventh grade and as he's getting older. I'm noticing Motor skills obviously you got to be good, but it's also a lot about or it's becoming more about specific skills to those specific sports And so I you know definitely if you're a kid do a lot and develop because your brain is developing at that time It's developing all these connections. You want to just be able to move really well Yeah at that level it's more about just general like attributes in like you're exactly right just knowing going through the process of the different levels of of like so I'm I'm starting at like I'm you know Like elementary school and then I'm going into junior high that I'm going to high school level sports And I'm going into college like the speed the strength The quickness the power that you have to emit like it, you know 10 x's like each time you jump up to the next level and so But then it also becomes so skill specific Well, that's where it starts to refine because not only that you have to you have to study more You have to you have to know be more predictive like you have to have a really good like so that that's the level Where you really want to concentrate more on your specifics You know in this heat is he talking about because right here he's like uh, and I know I brought up the kids right No, there's two just two parts. Uh, you're I think you're answering like the sports part and then the second part is Is it possible to excel in all three? physique strength and endurance which I Which we're going to get into but before that I do want to say this I don't know if you guys knew this but in the olympics up until I want to say the turn of the 20th century. So like 1800s You probably had to compete in multiple events Well, no not that you had to but the coach is considered The best athletes in each sport As the best general athletes So if so they would look for somebody who was like 165 pounds 510 lean and that was the perfect runner shop putter Swimmer like they all kind of look the same like if you took the olympic, you know olympians from You know the 19th century and early 20th century and you lined them all up They looked a lot more similar than they do now. Yeah, because then what we started figuring out was Specialization was real important. So now you put a shop putter next to a long distance runner and it's a it's a totally different animal specialization and then also the science in the equipment or the tube major I mean remember that ted talk we've referenced before that those are the would have been the two biggest changes In in sports that's evolved our athletes when you compare any athletes on any sports across the board to 50 years ago We're always all of us at anyone who's talked who follows sports is so amazed by oh my god Look at the way the athletes are now compared today and then and I remember being a part of the the group that used to think It was because of steroids I thought where we had came with the science as far as steroids says like oh well, that's the big difference Well in the 50s nobody was really doing steroids and now all these athletes are doing that and that's not true That's like 5% of yeah, it's a very very small percentage that has anything to do with that In fact, it's more about the specialization and then also the science in the types of fields and the equipment and the tools even the pool Oh the two the uniforms that they wear the you know the uniforms the Water caps or the way the pool is set up like you're saying makes the big difference. Oh, yeah The turf that they're running your bush That could definitely Makes me slow, but as far as excelling Well depends what you mean by excelling is the what can you be? at the top Levels of physique strength and endurance You know categories probably not If you were you would be the greatest athlete of all time You know imagine that like, you know, you have like mr. Physique, you know competitor olympia on stage who's also World's strongest olympic lifter who's also Spark championship. Yeah, like long-distance world champion, you know or you know marathon world champion super you'd be a Freak, it's different because when you're all of different, you know physical expressions different Ways that your body expresses your physicality endurance strength speed whatever when you start to train to become Exceptional at one of them like become one of the best your body has to give up other things it has to it's just the way it works So so if your body is if you're trying to become The strongest power lifter in the world that requires a lot of fast twitch muscle fiber It requires lots of hypertrophy because you'd need more muscle growth But that's the opposite of what you want if you're going to be a long-distance champion a long-distance running champion Long-distance running champion needs lots of slow twitch muscle fibers You need you need the opposite of lots of hypertrophy In fact, you want to be small and light as hell because you got to carry your body and so it's it's very different so If you train in all these different physical pursuits, you can get better at all of them but the but will you Excel or maximize how good you can get any one of them by concentrating on all of them No, you'll actually take away. It's like video games You know the video games where you you have like a hundred points and you're building your character And every time you add points to like one attribute it takes away from a hundred So you can either make them all even or you can make your guy super strong or super fast It's just like that Well, because I think a lot of people associate like even say a football player for example Like that they have good endurance, but they only have good endurance for that like short window of time Like they like gameplay Amount of time where it's like, you know a few 30 second bursts, you know, like that's that's how they've trained themselves to You know like endure Really high intensity physicality In that moment, but like yeah, they're they're physical specimens like at that level. They're they look like Physique-wise they look super impressive. And so you've seen like a few freaks Uh, you know in certain sports where you're like, wow, they must they must be like awesome at you know endurance at power at strength like You know, bow jackson's probably the closest I could even think of besides like a drone curse here You know somebody that's just like super freak super fast But like, you know, they can they can they never seem like they're tired But it's it's very sport specific still but bow jackson did baseball and football, which although they're very different sports There's some complementary stuff going on there, right? I couldn't imagine bow jackson doing Football and swimming, you know, or you know football long distance running or something Yeah, long distance running would be yeah, there's no way it'd be very different, right? But baseball kind of you know, he's still gonna explode to run to the bases He has to have the good the thing about bow jackson that was so impressive is that His skill set was so was high enough to make him a pro right in both like that's That's a whole nother and he didn't last very long either with all that I mean you're talking about you saw michael jordan try and play baseball, you know Grace of all time goes to baseball Sucks Better than me jordan. Yeah. Oh, yeah way better than me. Yeah, I was gonna say that he's We're comparing him to the pros that he wasn't very good But and I'm sure if he focused on that exclusively he would add a better shot But yeah, our you know like our maps programs are designed for General goals and then they're broken down into phases that focus on Goals that contribute to that ultimate goal. So like maps anabolic is like maximum strength maximum muscle But within that you focus on Maximal strength you focus on you know Bodybuilding type hypertrophy and then you focus on the pump Because all three of those contribute to that one big goal same thing with matt with performance or maps aesthetic Or you know any of our other types of programs, but you know all of our programs really revolve around developing a strong muscular kind of functional physique And what you can do if you like to if you like to train in all these different modalities What I recommend is go through each maps program. They all last about two to four months So you could do a maps program. It's more specific to a particular type of goal Then moved to the next one which focuses on another type of goal and then and that's a fun That's the things that's the benefit I could see about training for different modalities is For some people that's super fun because it can get boring to always train in the same Well, that's why we recommend it I mean that's why the bun the super bundle is probably our most popular bundle Or is the is the whole year is going through in and out of all these different phases Unless you're like a very specific Like goal like if you came to me and said I'm a pro athlete in this and this is what I need Well, then yeah, I wouldn't say yeah, you should do the super bundle It's for the general population who just wants to be that wants to be pretty strong that wants to look pretty damn Good that wants to have some pretty damn good endurance. It's like mobility right all of it It's encompasses all of it. Yeah, but it is crazy how specific Your body adapts. I mean I love lifting In the low rep range love especially for my lower body love heavy squats Love heavy deadlifts and so I could get to the point where you know, I could do a single You know rep with maybe 400 pounds in the squat You could take You know 150 pounds off the bar Bring it down to like, you know 300 pounds or 270 pounds or 250 pounds and tell me to squat it More than 10 times and that is going to be fucking challenging for me You know, I'm going to be breathing hard it'd be very difficult. It's crazy how the body adapts in such specific ways so Being able to excel in three totally different categories Probably not possible Next question is from hooligan Was there ever a stage in your life professional or personal that you felt unqualified or not worthy of doing something? How do you overcome this? Oh man, it's every day of my life. I know I can't think of a job I had that I was like, yeah, I'm awesome at this. Yeah, I remember specifically Um, you know being a personal trainer and training Executives and professionals and sometimes they would intimidate me and we'd have these You know conversations and I'd be like, oh shit. What if I say the wrong thing? I want to come across as smart or like I know what I'm talking about and then I learned the power of Saying I don't know It's a very powerful thing to say. So if you're in a situation where you feel Unqualified that's okay. Go in there and do your best and then be okay with saying I don't know or this is something I don't understand I do but then follow it up with I'll find out or I'll learn how to do it. I very powerful. I think Being under qualified is so much more fun I can't think of I can think of a lot of times when I came into a job or a situation where I was Unqualified for it or under qualified for it I can only think of one off the top of my head of where I was I felt overqualified And it was probably one of the least fulfilling jobs I ever done that was working for orange theory not that long ago And you know part of the part of the purpose of that was to help a buddy of mine out that was that owns a bunch of Omen and and run that but I'd never felt In my life had I had a job where I didn't feel challenged or stretched at all I felt So over qualified for that position that it got maybe only it really only got about 20% of me And if you're listening and you used to take my classes, oh, I love your classes Well, I don't mean I was like just a shit, but you know, I felt that it didn't stretch me You know the the programming behind it was weak. I didn't have it was already done for me All I had to do is create a playlist Be my personality Point out things that people are doing wrong and educate a little bit like That that job was so Unfulfilling for those reasons So I would way rather be in a situation where I'm a little scared And I feel unqualified and there's a lot to learn because it gives me purpose It gives me purpose every day that I go there because I want to be good everything that I've ever done No matter how unqualified I am about it like I want to be great at it And I nobody nobody can control that more than I can so for me I thrive in those environments I love to be put in a corner. I love to be challenged. I love to be The most unqualified person in the room because I get there's lots of growth that's there There's a lot of opportunity there and I'm the one that dictates that it's me who decides If I'm going to put the extra hours in studying or stay late after work Or ask the questions that I need to ask to learn like those things to me Like you don't want to be the other way the other side fucking sucks Being the overqualified person in in a room. It's safe. That's why some people do it Fuck you're safe safe as boring as so boring Yeah, so boring and slow death and unfulfilling. Yeah, absolutely It's like imagine working on a like a conveyor belt belt line and you're just Doing something for your job every day the same thing over and over again like that would be Absolute complete torture. You know what I mean? The the very first Time I became a manager. I was super fired up super motivated, but also extremely terrified I had no I was I became a personal trainer at the age of 18 Four months later They give me one of the biggest clubs in the area to manage the fitness department So I'm a fitness manager with four months of personal training experience No idea what the systems were like. I had no idea what, you know, I had to do with I don't know how to hire. I don't know when I can fire people. I don't know scheduling I didn't know the apex nutrition plan which at the time 24 fitness had Apex and that was a nutrition plan. I had no idea. I didn't even know what it was I had no idea what it was And in fact, I didn't sell very much of it because I didn't know what it was I remember the first month and I remember my manager coming to me and being like Why aren't you selling more apex and I said, okay, I'll sell more of it And I started selling more of it and then he goes I want you to teach my My other trainers had to sell apex and I took them in the office. I'm like, I don't know what it is I'm just selling it because you told me I should I know it has something to do with nutrition It was a very kind of a terrifying time But you learn along the way and you just learn to say I don't know and I've gotten lots of opportunities that way. I'll tell you I've sat in front of so many people Where I'm doing an interview or trying to get an opportunity And when they'll ask me, what are your qualifications? What's your experience or what do you know about this? Many times I'll say look, I don't know much about that But one thing I do know as I'll learn and I'll work my ass off and I'll become one of the best people at it And people love to hear that and it's very and for me I believe that I believe I can do that, you know, but Being, you know, feeling like you don't Like you're not worthy of somebody of something you're worthy of whatever you get So if you're in a situation you're in a position Well, you're worthy of it now Continue to prove it go in there and do your absolute best and learn and grow And that's kind of what it's all about. I'm with Adam. It's the opposite of that. It's shit Oh, it's all it's awful. I wish I had examples Yeah, it's literally been my m o since forever that I could I was trying to think of jobs where I just felt like I went into it. I'm like, oh my god, I know everything. I know everything going into this and everything's gonna be great like I can only think of orange theory. It's the only thing comes up. I know that's a great example I'm racking my brain right now going like, where was there ever a job that I did where I was like super qualified or like way over Like where they told you what what movie is that? Is it uh, what's the one where he is the guy who uh, he gets his boss to give him a year's pay American beauty and he goes to work at burger king They like the 20 year old kids like interviewing him. He's like, uh, Sir, you're a little overqualified. He's like, no, I want to do it. Put me in the back all flip burgers Like whatever like I've never had only orange theory is the only job Where I walked into it and it's it's a great. I think job for a trainer That's like just getting getting started. So I thought I think it's an excellent place I think it's a great company and lots of positive things but You know, if you've been training for a really long time teaching group classes is kind of You know going the other direction. It's let's be honest like mind pump. Let's just talk about mind pump for a second We had zero nobody knows Zero We still don't know what the fuck we're doing. We're writing the book as we go along I mean literally Doug had equipment because he thought it was a cool hobby So he had but don't you remember when we went I remember because I I mean I knew Justin really well I knew of sal and we started to get to know each other and sal was talking about Doug Once I got to know each of you individually Were just like me with this had the same attitude with things like this whereas we all looked at each other like We have no idea what we're doing But we're we were so excited about the idea of what we're doing that it was everyone knew they would learn and get better And every day is that every day is a process of us Learning and getting learning and getting better and there's and I think that's part of what Fulfills me personally so much with this job over anything else that we've ever done because every day I mean yesterday, right? I was getting feedback from Katrina always listens to all not only all the podcasts But also any interviews that I do and stuff and I said hey, did you listen to this interview? And I had sent it to her the other day And she's like you were awful, you know, I was just And I'm like, yeah, that stings, you know, I'm saying it stings, but I love you really feel any Right, right. She's and I was like, well, you gotta give me more feedback than it was just awful. You know, she was well You just like I made a list She's like, well, you were right and she gave me you're rambling and doing this and doing that and you told this story Terrible and you exaggerated this point like, you know, so she just Called me on all my shit and the and I but I like that, you know, I'm saying it's it's an area that we're like I wasn't doing a lot of interviews just a year ago and just in the last probably three or four months That's ramped up a lot And I know I'm not good at it's different than talking to the two of you when we have created An incredible dynamic amongst the three of us and that this is this is like therapy now for me and this is comfortable There's no nerves. There's no nothing But still when another person has to interview me, it's a different dynamic and it's different every time because it's a different person So if their skills that are all are underdeveloped or they're nervous or whatever like that could potentially affect me And so it's forced me to elevate my game. Now. I fucking love that, you know I love that feeling of not being good and there's potential for growth This is why this is that's why I love like if somebody asked to interview me from a podcast Even if it's a tiny one, I tend to say yes because it's like more practice. Yeah, it's more practice I get to get better. I'll tell you what I learned this a long time ago That you know, when you're in a situation where you're presented with an opportunity and you think to yourself Ooh, you know, I don't know if I want to do that thing. I don't know if I want to take that opportunity ask yourself If it's because you're afraid Or if it's because you don't want to do it or are you comfortable now if it's if it's because you're afraid Then you better fucking do it then that means you got to go do it now That doesn't guarantee you're gonna be good at it But I told myself a long time ago that I will not not do something Simply because I'm afraid I won't do something because I don't want to or because I don't think it's you know A good opportunity or because it's not something I want to do But if there's something and I'm being honest with myself and I ask myself like Why do I not want to you know, if somebody invites me to go speak at an event And I'm thinking like I don't know if I want to go do that I got to travel and I'll stop and ask myself Am I saying that because I'm afraid and nervous or am I saying that because I really don't want to do it And if I'm being honest with myself many times, it's just because I'm a little bit nervous in which case I'll make myself. Well, fuck it. I'm gonna go do it and I tell you what I can't imagine the amount of opportunities People have missed in life in business in personal life in everything because They were insecure or they felt inadequate or because they were afraid Rather than because they actually didn't want on the other side of fear reside success That's a fact man. And the scarier it is the more success is on the other side Yeah, I mean you get comfortable and what we're telling you isn't what we're saying right now Isn't that you shouldn't feel fear and you should be fearless and like a warrior No, what I'm saying is you're gonna feel fear. That's always gonna happen. You recognize it. Recognize it Make friends with it. Yes. Do it anyway. Sometimes it sucks really fucking bad work your way through it Oh, sometimes around it. Sometimes it's terrible. I mean I've been in situations where I was so Nervous and so like where I left and I'm like that was the worst performance Can I just tell you guys how terrified I was when I went up to Ben Greenfields and the podcast That was the most terrifying experience of my life But I just like was like, that's why I love you, dude I'm doing this this like scares the shit out of me, you know, like and I had no idea what he was gonna ask me at, you know, you know, Ben He's a great guy and he's he he definitely like wants the podcast to go well and help and everything But he's very technical and he'll he'll give all these specifics and then he tried to like turn it into like A supplement discussion and I'm like quickly abort Like it's not my strengths, you know, like so anyways, I just oh my god I just for some reason that sticks out to me is being like just such one of those things that You know, even down the road. That's just practice. That's just something that was like I gotta get these types of things out of the way so I can get better I think people that haven't Experienced a lot of this in their life struggle the most with it, right? Like because sometimes I know I catch myself saying this like that's a good that's a good point It's it's it's no big deal. Just fucking face it face the fear and get over it Right and I think about it like you were presented with a lot of lessons Right early on at seven years old right away that I was facing fear and only an option to make this happen And I didn't have the option of like no, I don't want to whatever so And it wasn't until probably my you know young adulthood Did I start to put it together that like oh wow like the scary of these situations are like I always come out of them I'll come out of them and I come out a better person and I learned something from them And sometimes it's a fucking huge success and even the ones that are huge failures There's always these great gyms of I learn and I grow from And I think because I was kind of forced in those situations when I was younger I got comfortable with them early on and then I learned to like seek it as I got into adulthood So like Sal was just saying like you know and I've been Pekolski says it really well if I can't I must you know If there's something that gives me fear or anxiety or not want to do it It's like oh I got to do this because I don't get that feeling a lot anymore because I've gotten so comfortable with that now if you're somebody who's Avoided fear and avoided these moments your entire life And now you kind of feel like you're in a situation where you have to this could be a very daunting thing from them But I can't stress it enough that get comfortable with it and get to the point where you seek these things Yeah, do things that make you uncomfortable and you'll be blown away. What's the most nervous you guys have been or afraid Fearful you've been while doing mine pump. You said it was Ben was Ben Greenfield. You're that. Yeah, that was definitely mine Yeah, just being on my own and and not with you guys. I just I don't know I I like I like group settings. I like like two on two like, you know, I don't know I just like to to contribute it's it's when it's focused and centered around myself and like Just completely talking about myself for more than 10 minutes. It becomes an issue with me. So for me, I think it would when that when we The first time we did uh, where we spoke in front of an audience Which I've done so many different times, right? I've talked in front of groups many times and that usually doesn't bother me But what bothers me is if the context is in a particular way and There was one where we were supposed to do a podcast in front of a large group and I was nervous because There was a space that we had created and now we have all these people watching And a lot of them weren't familiar with the show. And so I I didn't know how to be Myself and it I just I what I did is I reverted to what I do when I talk to groups Which is I I give a lecture or whatever and I remember that I remember being like nervous and like, oh, this is Terrifying, but we did it and it turned out. Okay. I don't know. Do you have any I you know, I don't know to really with us like I mean I've been so comfortable with being uncomfortable that those things don't really stand out and to be Having you guys is like it's such a cakewalk for me because those all these situations Like even the one you're bringing up right now like getting in those situations. I'm so the law easier I'm so used to handling that on my own and like like figuring it out like fuck it I'm gonna do this and worst case scenarios. I suck like what's that? What is what does that mean? Like I've sucked before I'm saying so who cares? But with you guys I it's such a comfortable feeling because I know that it's not all on me and then I could lean on you guys to Help that area that it really gives me Little to no fear if I were if I were to think of anything that we've done where I was like I'm a little nervous a little bit maybe about this situation But it didn't scare me enough to even think twice about it was probably when we spoke at lulu lemon for a bunch of runners Because that was like, you know Yeah, not our crowd nobody there was zero people who knew who we were We're we're in lulu lemon, right? And we're giving a talk to fucking runners being guys who openly speak out about not being fans of running That's so funny. Like we would have done better in front of like a biker bar anything Literally like you couldn't only thing that could have been more challenging Maybe at that time is if you brought us to a crossfit facility and asked us to speak to crossfitters only like you know Or some shit like I think we still would have done better. We would have we would have that's why I think that that It's a little funny too because we're all what makes us each nervous is a little different, which is good So we're not all nervous about the same shit, you know what I'm saying? Because I think about that lulu time and I'm a lulu. I know I wasn't nervous at all for that That's the thing. Yeah, like uh, I think presenting in person I'm less I'm less nervous about that as as I am just being by myself and like talking to somebody that's like super smart I guess Yeah, I don't like um, you know, I don't like Being being in conversations with like a super intellect by myself Especially if they have a major ego and a chip as it is Because that that's a really how am I gonna fire back being it? Yeah being in business, right? It's different on the street like one on the street. It's all good Like I'll because then I'll say whatever's on my mind and I'm not afraid of some like egotistical fucking brainiac Like I'll put them in his place real quick But in business setting like I can't do that, right? Yeah So when you get somebody who's like a super intellect and I remember having that feeling for a moment when we interviewed ben for the very first time And I felt the the very first interview we ever did with him when we were when we were first meeting each other There was definitely this kind of uh, there's a lot ego in the room And there was this like I felt him almost come after me As soon as we turned the mics on and I hadn't I hadn't been ready for that I hadn't been hit with that feeling and again, you know I had sal to my side to come to my rescue right away to get but I was caught off guard I was caught off guard that oh, shit. We're gonna have a podcast like this like I remember that distinctively and it It was it wasn't about uh steroids. It was the arms arms. That's what it was for sure Not well read on sarms and I'll be the first one to admit that on this show And yeah, he was like targeting you specifically, right? Yeah all the science and I felt it why he was doing it It was this you got these and at the time I'm competing So I'm all buff looking I come walking in and a guy like it was like and I'm used to that right People it was it was definitely uh the the puff in the chest out but intellectually with me And you know being on a podcast like not being able to like say whatever I want to say You know like that could go really south that threw me for a curveball So that was a little nerve-wracking for just a moment though I mean it was just a moment and it's what I love about The dynamic that we have that I always feel like don't bro. You don't fuck with me. I got my nerd with me, dude You know what I'm saying? Yeah, don't fuck with me. I got my nerd with me, dude. You're like, yeah, I don't make me pull that car You know say that but you know if there's a there is a machine gun There is though a lot of power and just saying I don't know I've gotten to many conversations with people and they'll they'll say hey, Sal What do you think about blah blah and uh, well, I don't know about that You know, tell me about it and they'll tell me then I may have an opinion or If you're talking about something, you know you just say hey You know, I don't really know much about this, but I'm going to make a speculation And you know people I you know, I'll tell you what when you're talking to somebody And you ask them a question or they're talking and they say they don't know Do you all of a sudden think they're idiots and you want to talk to them anymore? No If any, you know what makes you think someone's an idiot when they say shit that you know that they don't know That's wrong. Yeah, you're just trying to sound like you know what you're talking about Totally, you know, so I forgot what I was talking. I was talking to a friend of mine and oh they were friend of mine's talking about Training or coaching other people and they're new and they're like, well, what if they asked me a question? I don't know about like what if they asked me questions about hormones. I don't know about I'm like, well, just tell them You don't know, right? It's it's okay. Yeah, it's not a big deal. They're not going to think it's worse than that You know, yeah Like if I even if I went to a doctor and I said something they said, well, I don't know But I'll find out for you or I don't know but here let me speculate a little bit Like I'm going to appreciate and respect that more than if they try to pretend like they know anything, but I think the more you do these because it's inevitable You're going to do some of them and you're going to fail and it's going to it's going to sting a little And it's going to be frustrating and it's going to be humbling and you're going to have that But then you're going to have the ones That you that you that you hit out the park or that go really well and that you were scared to death to do it And you're like those moments and I talking back and forth right now I'm thinking about something Because I we've got this conference call monitor in front of us and normally when we do like negotiations with companies that are going to take on Sponsorships or something We do this in this room on a conference call And I fucking I love those conversations now, but those are scary. I mean asking people for lots of money Or or demanding that or risking potentially getting nothing, you know, because you're swinging for the fences Like that that's fucking can be very nerve-wracking for people And I just love those moments. I love putting me in that situation that it's all or nothing Yeah, you do It's fun to you can handle all the dollar negotiations It comes in hot. Yeah, you love that Think of the moment so when we hang that phone up, though, like how how juiced we are afterwards And you know, I'd be lying to say that those don't those don't get those butterflies going, you know Because I know going into it like hey, man, that's this is a big deal right now The the company is is depending on me to come through on this This could be a huge contract for us and I want more or we're gonna push And it's like that's a scary moment and if if you feel that way going in that conversation, trust me You will come off that and one of the things always makes me comfortable Is always remember that there's somebody else on the other side of the phone Or there's somebody else that's dealing with this too. It's like, how do you know? It's not just as awkward and scary for them. You know, how do you know? It's not just as difficult for them or how do you know the people in the audience usually that's the case Right that they're not just as scared or just as intimidating. Most times it is that situation You know what I'm saying? So when you get more comfortable with understanding that I think those and I guess I guess how you overcome it is Just get used to it. I don't know if you ever overcome it I think you'll always feel it especially if you test yourself and you're trying to grow So just get comfortable with being uncomfortable And go for it because at the end of the day, do you want to be the person who? Experiences nothing in life and lives a very bland In an uneventful no growth oriented type of life or do you want to be the person that? Sometimes you go through some troubling times. Sometimes you go through extreme successes, but you grow all along the way I don't know about you guys, but I know which one I Dude, I would let what's the saying I'd rather live on my live on my or die on my feet and live on my knees That's it right there Get off those knees So check this out All of our episodes have show notes So you can kind of break down minute by minute what we talk about in each episode And fast forward to what you want to hear about just go to mind pump media dot com click on the podcast tab And that's where it's going to be. 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