 Yes, Judge Hughes, it's a fortice. How are you? I'm just fine. Well, I'm doing a little work for the president because of these stories about the Bible. Now, I've explained to everybody around here that it doesn't matter as a matter of law just what kind of book is used that you can administer the oath without using any Bible or any book at all or you can do it on a copy of Dickens. So that that... You're a cheered robot catapult. Yeah, well actually I told the president he could take his oath on a copy of Playboy. Well, let's hope he won't. But now I've gone through the files up here to try to get this thing straightened out. And let me, and also gotten together whatever information there is in the immediate staff, let me pay very briefly where we are at the moment trying to untangle this thing. Number one, Larry O'Brien has a recollection. He was on the plane, you remember. And he has a recollection that you came on the plane with the Bible and that he handed you something that he thought was a Bible that a steward had handed him and which had been in the president's quarters and that he asked you to use that book instead of the book you brought on. Well, first I did not bring on a Bible. Oh, you did not? No, I did not have one. I see. Don't know who handed me the Bible. Yes. It was a man. And when it was handed to me, he said, this is a Catholic Bible. Did you give it to somebody on the plane? I gave it back to somebody. I gave it to somebody as I was leaving. Yeah, I see. Do you remember whether the person who handed it to you had on a white jacket whether he was a steward or whether they wore glasses and the person to whom you handed it? I remember whether he was a man or a woman. Right. Now, actually, just for your information, I do not think you are to say anything about this. There is no great mystery about this because the book that you used was turned over to the official in charge of presidential papers and it's here and has been here, you see. So it wasn't stolen, it didn't disappear, and whoever you gave the book to so it got where it should have gotten, which is in the official archives, you see. Well, does it look anything like what I said about it? Yes, it's about, it has a black leather cover on it and there's a sign of a cross on it and it's about, you described it in a letter that you wrote as about six by eight inches, actually it's about six by three or four. Oh, really? And it is not a strictly speaking Bible, it's a prayer book, a missile. But I think you ought to, I want to tell you this because I think it would be wrong for you to have any lingering problem as to whether this is a Kennedy family Bible and as to whether it did disappear. Actually, the book had never been open, obviously never been open, never been used, you see. There's not a mark in it, there's no name written in it or anything of the sort. And it appears pretty clearly that it was just a presentation copy that somebody gave President Kennedy. Was it the years in the Catholic Church? Yeah, it's a Catholic missile or prayer book, that's all it is. And anybody looking at it would think that it was a Bible looking at it from the outside because it's got a cross embossed on it on the front of it, you know. But it's perfectly clear that it was never used or open, there's not a single mark on it and the only thumbing that it's had has been by me since all this rose, you see. So I just wanted you to know that. Now if you're asked anything about this, may I suggest to you quite unnecessarily, I'm sure, but I hope you won't think impertently that all you say is that when you came on the plane somebody handed you something that you understood to be a Bible and that that was used and neither you nor the President looked into it and then Vice President looked into it. I've stated that any number of... I know you have. Well that isn't very incorrect anyway because it's a small book but of course I've seen Bibles you have two that are much smaller than this and it's about, it's a good inch or inch and a quarter thick. I might very well... That's the one I was looked at. That's right, well that's important to repeat if you're asked again because you see this... I see. And when do you ask him? Will he ask me all these questions and things I've given him? That is incorrect because it is not a Bible and this obviously was never used, you know. Yes. The copy. No, no, no I think you'd better let it ride because now all the newspapers in the country are going to be crawling over everybody. Actually you see this is... you've seen many of them so far. It's the authorized Missalord prayer book which has prayers in it in the Catholic Church. It has prayers in it and this is a... it's got a nice little two leather slip cover with a cross on the front of it and it obviously has never been used at all. No, no, don't say it because you don't know and I'm just telling you for your own information about it. It's not something that President Kennedy ever used. Well I think that it's a great piece of interviewing me. Isn't it? Isn't it awful? When I was at the American Bar Convention two reporters interviewed me and the one thing they wanted to talk about... Is that so? Well it was a historic event. It was but I think we ought to be pretty talking about it. You know I agree with you but they've got this Manchester phone name Manchester's getting out this book and it looks going to serialize and they're going to... and that's why we want to be quite meticulous about the whole business. Well I thank you very much for calling me. I want you to know that I appreciate... Well thank you nice to see you. I sure want to see you and I hope that I'll have that pleasure very soon. I have a log for you today. You ask him to call on me and I'll be just delighted to see him. All right fine. You come to see us. Thank you judges. Thank you so much. Bye now. Goodbye.