 So it's more, it's really about strength. It's really about that, that, that sheer tension cause strength training is that it's slow controlled tension and that's what causes the bone growth. So it's literally just a signaling process. Um, that happens through that now that the bone building process, I mean, that's the same process that'll happen whenever your body's trying to build bone, um, improving your health will help with that as well. But really the main thing is just you're telling your body, we need stronger anchor points for these muscles. And so your bones just get sustained this load in this demand that's, uh, being placed on us by far. The best way to strengthen your bones is to lift weights, resistance training. Hands down. Nothing comes close to that method of exercise or anything else for that matter, in terms of bone strengthening, bone gains, you know, so a study came out, um, that two parts of the study, one part's going to make some people annoyed, oh, well, and it showed how vegans had a bit of a vegan trait lately. Here we go. How vegans tend to show, um, kind of bone weakening effects, uh, and they relate it to their diet, uh, but through strength train, they reverse those. So vegans who strength train don't show any bone weakening effects from their vegan diet. So it's a, but for everyone else, it also shows bone strengthening effects. So it's not just for vegans. It's everyone else, but really there's nothing that comes close. Nothing comes close. If you do strength training, it strengthens your muscles. The muscles anchor on the bones. The bones get stronger. There is no single thing you can do that even comes close to that at all. Yeah, that force all translates through each part of your tissue, uh, to the bone. It's funny, like if you think back when we're growing up, they used to just like pump us with the idea that just having calcium and taking calcium pills was going to be able to keep your bones. So crazy. I don't, I don't understand the, the vegan thing. Why, why is it not the, the, the basic Western diet and doesn't strength train is the same stature or same, same data. So when you compare, uh, the traditional Western omnivore diet, so omnivore meaning they also consume meat. Um, first of all, everyone's bones are getting weaker. So there's that's going on. Right. The vegans trend more. Right. So they tend to get worse bone weakening effects than, I mean, is it dramatic enough to, to, to separate them out like that? I don't think you, oh, wow. It's clinically significant. Wow. Yeah. It's actually a risk factor. A lot of people don't know this, but I mean, I knew, I knew that about strength. If you don't strength train, that's obvious. We know, we've known that for a really long time. I think it's obvious. I think some people don't know that. Yeah. The biggest, the biggest risk factors for bone weakening are being female. So women have a much higher rate of, uh, osteoporosis or osteopenia. Is that due to the lack of testosterone? Lack of testosterone, less muscle mass, uh, is, is what they think. Um, so, uh, female being older, uh, not doing any weight bearing activities. That's another risk factor. Um, and those are the three biggest kind of things. And now in men, low testosterone can cause bone weakening. Um, obviously still being sedentary causes bone weakening. And then being a vegan also poses as not as much as the other ones, but still poses as a risk factor, uh, for bone weakening. And in this particular study, they showed, oh, look, vegans who lift weights or do strength training, they don't have that effect. It's such a powerful bone building stimulus. It's really insane. I had a client. I know I've talked about this before on the show, but I remember this, I bring it up all the time because the, my client's doctor made a case study out of her. So she, I had a client once that she was a college professor and, uh, she was talking about how she needs to start strength training or doing something because she, and she was a petite woman older. So kind of all those risk factors. Although very active and healthy. Um, and one of her students used to work for me. So he goes, Oh, my, I, this guy used to work for me. They have a Sally's got a wellness studio hire him. He knows what he's doing. Anyway, so she came to hire me and her goal was I need to strengthen my bones. Now she was, uh, getting to the point where the, they had her on, um, I think Faza max was the drug that she was on. It's kind of like an immune, uh, modulating kind of drug, um, and a couple of supplement, you know, medications and they would monitor and every year it was just going down and she was really terrified. She was like, this is really bad. I'm getting to the point where this is not going to be too good. Do you think strength training can help? I said, well, if your muscles get stronger, your bones almost always get stronger. However, you're in this particular case. Let's see what happens for the first time in her, for the first time. And I don't remember how many years the doctor saw the progression stop to the point where he was like, what are you doing? And she's like, well, I'm doing strength training this following year there was a slight increase, gets on the phone with me. And he goes, I want to make this a case study. He goes, I, uh, this is insane. And the only thing she's changed is she's lifting weights with you once a week, by the way, we were doing strength training once a week. And we saw that effect. So it's the, it's the absolute best thing you could do to strengthen your bones, uh, and because it's a direct stimulus, direct, yeah. Connection there between like building muscle and effecting your bones. I mean, you look at that with, um, astronauts and being in zero gravity and like the biggest cause for alarm is if you're up there too long, it's just not only do you start losing muscle, but it's like, it affects your bones and, um, you know, can be crippling when you get back. Yeah. And the whole supplementing with nutrients that your body uses to strengthen bones, first off, if you have a calcium deficiency of vitamin D deficiency, that's totally different. But the, but they, the story that they sold us was, Hey, you know, for bone loss, let's give you more of these nutrients that we know are important for bone strengthening, but that's like telling somebody to just eat more calories cause that'll fuel muscle growth. Well, if there's no stimulus, it ain't going to have you just get fatter. You know, it ended up happening with all the extra calcium people getting calcium deposits and the arteries were actually causing problems cause it was no stimulus. It was like you had all the, you had extra tools, uh, but you had no orders. You had no priority of where it was going to get. So your body's just going to, what do I do with this calcium? I don't know. So what are all the factors that play? You have, uh, the adaptation process to the stimulus from that, the bone training, you have the muscle protecting, uh, factors that are happening cause you're building muscle that is going to now support that. I would use, we'll also argue, maybe the circulation and nutrients that are just general health. Yeah. Like what are, what are all the factors that, that strength training is contributing to this? Because it's not just simply it's the stimulus and then the bones are adapting, getting stronger. There's other things that play here, right? Well, it's like I said, the muscle, you build muscle, which then now support. So it's sheer, uh, tension and force. So like if you do, that's the adaptation process creates the growth, right? Yeah. So what they used to say, they used to say, and they still do this and they're catching up though, they used to say, Hey, you need to strengthen your bones, do, um, impact exercises. So like walking, jogging, cause the impact will strengthen bone. Well, when you look at the studies on that, there is a bone building effect, but it's very small brief and it's also, um, confined to the lower extremities. So okay, I do running, I still will get bone loss in other parts of my body, but my legs, I'm going to kind of stave it off a little bit. So it's more, it's really about strength. It's really about that, that, that sheer tension because strength training is that it's slow controlled tension. And that's what causes the bone growth. So it's literally just a signaling process, um, that happens through that. Now that the bone building process, I mean, that's the same process that'll happen whenever your body is trying to build bone, um, improving your health will help with that as well. But really the main thing is just you're telling your body, we need stronger anchor points for these muscles. And so your bones just get sustained this load and this demand that's, uh, being placed on us. Yeah, adaptation process. Really interesting. You ever, I mean, is that, is that process happening still in a caloric deficit? Like have we, have we teased that out to see like what happens when you have somebody, an older population, they're, they're doing strength training and they're in like a caloric deficit versus when they're in a surplus, are we getting a greater response when they're in a surplus versus when they're in a I don't, uh, so I'm not familiar with that study, but I would guess that. However, you always want to look at context, calorie deficit, no strength training versus calorie deficit with strength training. Are there, is there going to be a dramatic difference? Yes. Like one of them is going to preserve muscle, maybe even build muscle and somebody's super decondition, right? Cause you could take somebody who does nothing, have them strength train in a deficit and you'll still see strength boost in some muscle. Right. So that's the comparison. But yeah, if you're trying to build or add tissue, you definitely want to fuel some of that. I would surmise that the bone strengthening process doesn't require as many extra calories as the bone, as the muscle building, because muscle is so much more active and requires so much more calories to maintain than bone. I don't know if building bone will speed up your metabolism the same way, uh, that muscle will, that muscle will. So it's just, you know, And then at what age do we normally see this, the decline? Like when does it normally happen? Where people, God, it's earlier and earlier, dude. So weird. Is that happening? Yeah. So it used to be fifties and sixties. Well, we start to see this. Which is obvious when you think about like where, what's happened in the last few decades, just with movement, right? Yeah. We're so much more sedentary than what we were 30 years ago. Dude, we're seeing osteopenia in people in their thirties now, which is wild women, women in their thirties are starting to see some of the stuff. So they'll go to the doctor and, you know, you don't get your screening. I don't know what the age cutoff is. And is it always, almost always somebody who's like non-athletic, non-active, doesn't strength train? Is it almost always that? Almost always. There's definitely autoimmune issues that can cause sure bone loss and issues like that. But it's almost always those factors. Like you'll almost never see, of course, there's always, you know, exceptions to rules. But you'll almost never see somebody who does strength training is built muscle and who isn't have nutrient deficiencies have bone loss. That almost never happens. Of course, there's always exceptions. There's could be an autoimmune issue. There could be something really, you know, going on, that's just rare. But for the most part, you see somebody that's strong and built and does strength training and doesn't have nutrient deficiencies. They're going to have strong bones. They're not going to have weak bones. I'm wondering if, and I'm just thinking like a supplement company, like if there's been any emphasis on like, you know, bone growth, yeah, powder and this besides like the addition of calcium, other minerals and like, what's the what's the blend like vitamin D, calcium, magnesium. That's typically the three. Yeah, that are in there. Remember, you guys remember coral calcium? And that was a thing for a second. Do you remember that? I do. So, you know, supplement industry is so funny. I don't remember they'll take something that everybody's buying and then try to find an angle to sell it to you again. So there's a hype. Everybody take calcium. Everybody take calcium. Then it kind of like we, you know, waned a little bit and then companies were like, coral calcium, calcium from corals, way better for you. And then there was like this boost and it's really. Oh, I remember that. I don't remember that one. Doug, you remember that? I do. Yeah, I felt that. Trying to keep strong bones. Did you really? I did. Yeah. I mean, we do have those coral reef issues that we did. Oh, a whole bunch of it's grown back. Did you guys see the article? Oh, they did. The Great Barrier Reef. Yeah, it's been a record regrowth of coral. The ocean got, it was the pH, right? Like it got too acidic and it was certain that's what they said. They were saying it was the, that climate change was destroying the coral reef at rapid rates. Well, it's a lot of it's come back at like super fast rate. So now I posted about that. I'm not an expert on it and I had some people come on and say that, that that's true. It's coming back, but the, the variation of the species is much smaller. So I guess there's, it must have adapted. And so some of them are doing pretty well and coming out or whatever. Interesting. I didn't hear that one. Didn't fit the narrative. That's why, bro, don't go there. Where is the narrative these days? I don't know. Maps Starter, a great way to start strength training. 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But he just kept continuing to drill at home and you kept hearing like these subtle normally like his whole audience. I feel like it's almost like a laugh track. I feel like it's like whatever he says, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. We agree. We agree, we agree. That's what I hear, right? Where this was like, you could tell that people were like, yeah, it was a super uncomfortable. Celebration. That's new. That is new. He, you know what it is? I have a theory on this. So as I continue to see this, it's obviously our space and it's annoying because they take body acceptance and twist it and pervert it to mean something completely different. Which is like, oh, if you're, if you're fat, that's healthy, great, be proud of the fact that you're whatever, which is no, no, no, no, no, it's also unhealthy body acceptance means that you care for yourself. You, like, this is my body, I had to care for myself, but you can also look at yourself and say, I haven't been taking care of myself. Anyway, nonetheless, I think this is really just a reflection of the fact that we're getting to the point where a majority of people are, are really overweight. Once that happens, the market's going to serve them more than it will the minority, which will be people who are not overweight. So what do you think the messaging is going to be? If the majority of the people who are your consumers are overweight, your messaging is going to be, yay, it's great, you know, no responsibility. It's awesome. Everybody looked this way. It's just super cool. You're totally healthy. It's a myth that it's unhealthy to be obese or whatever. I think that's what that's, that's what's going on. Well, no, 100 percent. It's all about all these companies care about is making money. All of them. So all the, all the virtue signaling that you see going on at the end of the day, it's so they can make more money. They don't really give a shit. But was there anything that he said that you disagree with? Or are you like a hundred percent aligned with what he said? Was it funny or was, was he like trying to like grandstand? And it wasn't very, I mean, I mean, uh, it was pointed. Yeah. It was very pointed. Yeah. With his opening monologues, he'll try and like throw jokes in there and make. I mean, he did, right? He threw little subtle jabs or jokes in there, but it was pretty serious. So it was a serious conversation, right? There are a lot of, not a lot of people are having, especially on that side. Well, he's been getting heat for it because he's been kind of talking against it. So it's probably just like, you know, he's, he's at that level now. Or he's like, this is like out of control. Well, it was seven minutes, a seven minute, you know, monologue or whatever where he's going off. The, the, the issue I have, which I get it, is that it's a very complex issue. He made it all about, and there's truth in what he's saying. Okay. But it's way more complex. Obviously down to like eating less. Yeah. He puts it all like, Hey, it's your responsibility. You eat too much. You don't move enough. Yeah. That's true, but there's way more to it than that. Um, and there's other forces at play and it's way more challenging. And it's all, it's not just, you know, as easy as, oh, he was calling out America for celebrating it. That's really, that's, that's what I really want. Yeah. Like he's calling out America for like, like, you know, you're overweight. You're overweight. It is what it is type of deal, but like, where, where are we going now where we're starting to celebrate this? Like it's a, it's a positive thing. It's like, no, it's, you can be positive about who you are at the same time to, to Sal's point, recognize you're not taking care of your health. And like this idea of all of us celebrating this is, is dangerous. Totally. I mean, with the direction that we're going, it's getting worse and worse. So it's susceptible to get sick. Yeah. Well, he uses the, he's the example of like, when, you know, when he used to smoke, like it's not like his friends are going up to him and be like, yeah, man, that's so awesome that you smoke. So good for you. You should keep doing that. Yeah. They'll be like, yeah, whatever you smoke, you smoke. And then if you ask them, they'll be like, nah, it's not good for you, bro. You're going to give yourself cancer. You know, it's that honesty that it's that we seem to be moving, lacking. Yeah. We seem to be moving further and further away. Speaking of which, I don't want to go crazy here. So, but I do got to say this. Article comes out that says, Hey, all of you women that have been saying that you've been getting changes to your menstrual cycle from the COVID vaccine, turns out, yeah, that, that definitely can happen. There's definitely, we now saw your tweet. Okay. So now how did this come out? Because it's always like, what's acceptable information now, like from which publication where people are actually going to be like, Oh, I'm listening now. Well, it's so this, so now they have evidence, they have studies, right? That are showing that it, this is a, you know, a quote unquote side effect. And I get that. Here's the part that annoys the shit out of me. And I hope people are just as annoyed as I am. I remember, by the way, it's not cause I have a good memory. This was like last year. I remember when women by the, I mean, this was a big thing. Women everywhere were like, Hey, I got the shot and I didn't get a period for six months or I got super heavy bleeding for this many weeks. So everybody was crying correlation, correlation. And they shut them down. I know people like I kicked off social media who were wellness, you know, influencers who got kicked off for saying that just for saying, Hey, this happened to me. That's the part that pisses me off. So they got nothing. They didn't just get silenced. They got hammered and now they're coming out being like, Hey, this is. So what happens now? And this is what I, okay. So I'm going to take this back to when we were trainers. Do you guys remember making this mistake as a trainer, as a new trainer, where you would promise the world to a client? Oh yeah, you lose 30 pounds. Oh yeah. That's gonna, and then what did you quickly learn? Like, don't do that because if you don't deliver for failure, totally right? What they did is they set everybody up for terrible failure. Cause now as this stuff comes out, you're going to get a bunch of people. Now we're going to believe all kinds of stuff or not know what to believe. Uh, you know, and if there is an emergency again or something, tested great hope that everybody was buying into. So what they should have said was it's new. We don't know this could very well be a thing. The argument would be that they wouldn't know when we'd do it. If that was the case, that's why they needed that's exactly why. Yeah. I mean, that's the, that's what they would, but now look what's happening. Yeah. I know now that now they've set them somebody, somebody that's radical on that side. That's what they'd say that we needed to get it to everybody. And if we would have disclosed all that, then no one would have done it. We'd be worse. And then there'd be 10 times more deaths would have happened from it. That's what you're going to hear. I know. So, you know, it doesn't matter. I know, I know, get rid of all the other treatments. I don't like that though. I think honesty is the best policy. Always, always works out better than setting yourself up that way. That's never been the policy. Let me think back to it. Hold on. Let me think back to a time. It was more believable in certain periods. Did a better job, I think. How are you doing after your fucking nine hour drive? Bro, I heard about that. I'm still just like, am I here? Am I like, did I make it? So what happened? I was driving back from Reno. Like we went up for August nights and I was up there to hang out with my dad who brought his car. And so I got to drive it and all this cool stuff. And we were checking out all these cool classic cars. What car do you have? What was it? It was 56 Bell Air. Oh, nice. Yeah. So, and he just got this like rebuilt 350 in there. And it was like, you know, it's, and it gets on. It's, it's, it's fun car. But so I'll get into that kind of story in a minute. But like me coming back, they shut the road down. Like they, some crash happened. And I guess like they just like decided to shut down 80. So I had to go through all these back roads and it ended up taking a four hour drive. It would take like seven hours. So I either one of you look into that my way back. Katrina asked me, and I think it just happened. I think yeah, but normally when they shut the freeway, there's no way of death. That's normally what happens when it gets like completely shut off like that. I didn't, I didn't, she asked me that. I'm like, you know what? You're right. Like normally when they close the whole road down completely like that, a lot of times it's because there's. Yeah, that could have been the case. Was it you and the kids? Yeah, me and the kids. And so I was driving a rental car. So now let me go back and kind of rewind. So my dad wasn't feeling too great. And he had been up there before. And so he was like congested and he thought it was like all this allergies, all this stuff. And realizing like, oh no, like this is like, I'm just not getting over this. And so I was like, I got to go. It pains me to do it because he was waiting for us to get up there with the kids so he could like cruise with them and do all this stuff. And so he's like, I'm going to leave today. I'm like, ah, such a bummer. And he's like, well, you know, I can leave you the car and you guys can go cruise. I have it, it's all registered. You guys can get into all these events and all this kind of stuff. And I'm like him and Han. And I'm like, oh yeah, let's do that. You know, he comes in, he, he drops the car off of our house and then like takes, takes the Tahoe and like, you know, takes off. And when I saw him leave, I was just like, I had that feeling, you know, like, oh no, I think I made a mistake. Sure enough, because it's an old car, dude. They have so many like quirky issues and things. You're going to drive. Hold on. You're going to drive a classic car from Reno down. Dad drove it up like that. I thought that was crazy. He should have trailered it. I don't know. That's the only reason why I didn't have mine was because my truck was in the shop. So my truck's been in the shop for the last two and a half weeks for some stupid part they haven't got back. So I had planned this whole, I just to meet Justin up there for hot ox nights. I'm so excited. I'm like, awesome. I'm going to trailer the Camaro up there. We're going to cruise around. It's going to be great. And then all of a sudden I keep getting these messages saying that, oh, your part's still not in your parts. And I'm like, are you kidding me right now? Like my truck is still not done. It's supposed to be this stupid little part for the transmission. Still didn't get it in. But that's why I didn't bring mine. So there's no way. And mine technically could drive that distance, but I just would not roll the dice. Right. Oh, shit. It was it. Yeah, semi flipped over on its side, blocked the entire frame. Oh, well, that makes a lot of sense, dude. That's minor injuries though. Oh, minor. But still, it's a big ass semi. Wow, wow, look at that. That's crazy. OK, so you were going to drive, what is it, 56? Yeah. Bel Air. From Reno to Santa Cruz. OK, so four and a half, five hour drive. Not travel. Just, you know, just like a risk. Yeah, let's just say. So it might work. It might work out. So I, OK, so I took it down to cruise and I was going to meet up with Adam and Doug was coming out there with us too, with Bree and everybody. And we were just going to go show the kids like what it's all about, because it's just cars everywhere. Dude, it's a big party. It's actually a whole lot of fun. But I get off the freeway and the car wasn't was doing fine. And, you know, all the temperatures, everything was good. Like it was the engine was running good. And so we started idling on the road. And I didn't I didn't really realize like how much the water temperature was starting to creep on me until it was like at like 180 something, like, you know, 190. And then we started to kind of go real slow, like grinding through the the way that they have it all kind of marked off in the parking lot, but it's kind of fenced on the side, like cheering for you and stuff. And so I'm like going real slow and it's like idling. And it just started going up, up, up, up. And then I finally made it to a spot where there was open spot next to these two other guys that had like a Chevelle and a, you know, GTO. And so I was like, Oh, perfect. I'm going to back in here. And I started to back in and then I, I parked it and then Oh, like, like, like, like a, like a wizard just was like. And just, yeah, steam everywhere and I get out and I'm like, oh, no, it's so embarrassing, dude. It's like you're going into a car show where he's looking at it and like, ooh, and it's like you fucking amateur. Like, you don't even know how to look at a water gauge. I was like, Oh, no, a sabotage. And so I'm like, I can't open it because if you open it, you know, you burn the hell out of your hand. And so I'm just like, I like, I'm going to go look at cars. Your car's smoking. Just let it steam. And the worst is there's there's all these other gear. Yeah, tons of, tons of know it all. Let me help you out real quick, buddy. You obviously have no idea, dude. I had like old guy after old guy, like, you know, that had like, I have a 50, I have, you know, 350, let me, you know, you really fucked your engine up. Like throwing me all the worst case scenarios. I don't want to hear all this stuff right now. Like you piss off, you know? I'm like, I'm going to go walk and cool down myself. And it was the worst, dude. And so I'm like trying to be cool because I want the kids to have a good time so we could come back again at some point. Right. And so anyway, thank God. I was across my fingers. It wasn't too bad. What happened was like the reserve, it had popped. It got so hot that it like popped the cap off. And so the cap came off and then all of that just steamed out. But it's because and so why this wasn't my fault. It it had like a switch on there for a manual fan that I had turned on, but the fan never turned on because a fan like died. And so the fan that's supposed to keep the the radiator cool in front of it had just stopped working. Oh, OK. And so so that's where I was. It's a flux capacitor. It's a flux capacitor that you had to turn. I would have been so screwed because I don't know anything. That's me. That's why I don't take that risk. I'm like, I want to trailer it out there. That's the only way. You know what's crazy is that we take for granted how reliable modern cars are. You almost never see a car broken down on the side of the road. That was always that was a common thing. And it's funny. And the court is asking me about that. I'm like, yeah, this always happens. Like everybody's car here that you see like dirt dealing with this shit, they just know how to like, you know, fine tune things constantly and they bring a whole toolbox with them in the back trunk, you know, just to fix all these little nuances at the trailer or back. So I because it's it still could run on the freeway because it gets enough airflow. It stayed down. So I just waited till it got like completely cool and even leaving out like it started to kind of come up because I had to like and so I skipped there was like a fence and I had Doug just jumped out and like moved it out. So I have to go through and weave through everybody and everybody's like, oh, I'm out of here. Do I get to the freeway? You guys just like jet it to the freeway. And thankfully my my dad's friend that he was up there and he was helpful with me. They ended up following us to see if I was going to break down or not all the way back to our truckie place. So it's part of there. It was just a little stressful. Yeah, just a little bit. And then to add on to that, like the seven hour drive back, I couldn't even get home. It was just kind of a disaster, dude. Like it's just one of those things you plan all these cool things to happen and all in like sequence. And then it just like one thing happens and it's like, well, being a parent is basically managing. Don't lose your. Yes, that's all I was saying, like a mantra in my head. No, because I, you know, I'd go on trips with my parents and I remember sometimes my dad will lose his shit. Like, why are you so mad? I had no idea that there was a bunch of stuff that happened. I was up here, dude. Like this is being a dad that's happened. Yeah, or my mom. I remember one time, my mom, I was a kid. I'm watching like TV and I was just kind of chilling on the couch, like 12 years old and we had magazines, you know, on the coffee table and there was like four on the coffee table, three on the floor, one over there. And she's, as she's cleaning it up, she just lost her shit. Literally lost her shit and started throwing magazines everywhere. And I remember as a kid being like, I thought to myself this. I said, man, my mom, you know, there's a lot of things that led up and I literally said to her, which made it worse. I said, after she's like freaked out. I said, mom, I said, you need to calm down. You can't be like crazy like that, you know? And then she's like, really, I'm at and I didn't understand. And I remember she goes over well. Oh, bro, never say that to anybody, especially a mom. And I remember she told me that she said later on at night or whatever she goes, you'll understand when you're a parent, you know, every parent says that to your kids, like, whatever, mom, you're crazy. I get it. Have you ever seen that? It's either a meme or I've seen this post before where it's like couples and they're driving on vacation and you could just see both of them are staring ahead of time. It's like pretending you're gonna have a great vacation. You just got into almost a divorce fight on packing the car to go on vacation. It's like everybody can relate to that, right? You're getting ready to go for the weekend. It's gonna be this great trip and everything like that. The stress. Maybe it'll get better. The stress. And then the drive, you know what I'm saying? Like six hours, like staring, no one talking to each other. Look, I'm gonna, I'll tell you guys this. It's gonna be a great weekend. I'll tell you a little bit about my weekend at risk of communicating it wrong and just flaming the shit. Do you dare? So, honey, if you're listening to this, please forgive me if I don't tell this properly, okay? But so we, she's pregnant, right? She's about to get in her third trimester. Shitty sleep all the time, no matter what. Just really bad sleep. Good job set the table here. On top of it, I wake up early because I go to the gym. So that wakes her up. If I get up to go pee, that'll wake her up. And then it's hard for her to go back to sleep. Then, you know, the kids get ready for school and just, you know, the baby. So she just snore. Yeah, snoring, which now I think I've solved or whatever, but there's just bad sleep, okay? Now on top of it, my daughter has been like begging us to have a cat, like a pet. We need a cat. Please get me a cat, whatever. So out of the goodness of her heart, and this is true, Jessica doesn't like cats, but she's like, I'm gonna do this for your daughter. So we got a kitten. Okay. Well, kittens meow like crazy at night, in the middle of the night, if they're not with you or whatever. So, this bro. Every time when he tells stories like this, I always, that image that we have of him, that's a big brain and like all the workers are working over here on all the science studies and stuff that he reads. And he's like, common sense over here, just empty. Nobody's there. Nobody's there with common sense, dude. You got all this shit going on and you're like, hey, let's add an animal. A kitten or a puppy. Well, anyway, so. Meow, meow, meow. Yeah, just meowing, right? And if you made the slightest move, it would meow like crazy. Wake up my wife, wake up the baby, then it's like terrible, right? So that's been, that was happening all week and that causes tension. And I'm not always the most self aware person. That causes more tension. So just fights, right? Fights, fights, fights, fights, fights. Trying to work it out, whatever. Anyways, this weekend we were hanging out and I'm on the couch, I doze off a little bit, wake up, our lunch is ready. Jessica does doze off, which like it's never, almost never happens. So we go get the food, we're getting the food, my daughter's order's wrong. So she's like, oh my God, no, she kind of like real loud. Wakes up Jessica. And that was it. She just got so upset, bro. And so it was this big thing. And I'm like, and I felt so bad, you know? Because I'm like, I'm just not a self, like I'm not aware of certain things to that extent. So she's just so mad. And so I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry. Which is kind of weird. So last night I'm like massaging her. I'm like, okay, every night we're gonna go to bed early. Like we gotta get you more sleep and we're gonna try and make this happen. Oh man. I actually think you're a really empathetic person. Maybe you lack the social awareness part, but you're very empathetic, I feel like. Yeah, I am. The most out of all of us. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I don't think I'm not empathetic. What it is is I'm, I don't know, is it forgetful even the word to describe? Kind of scatterbrained or. Social awareness is what you're alluding to right now. Just not, yeah, just maybe not. What? Social awareness is what you're alluding to right now, right? Social awareness. You're surrounding, see what I'm saying, like what's going on. Well, I'll save you a little bit since we're ragging on wives, so I'll go ahead and I'm gonna roll mine under the bus, because. I wasn't ragging on my wife. Stop it Adam. I didn't even bring mine into the house. I was like, so I want you to, and she asked me, she asked me too, she's like, don't you dare talk about this. I'm fucking talking about on the podcast. I'm gonna tell you why I'm talking about the podcast because I was so cool about it when it happened in real time. And I thought, you know what, I let it build up and I didn't expose. Doug's gonna add all these stories out. Save us by the way. It's a 10 minute podcast. I'm feeling it. It was like when I filmed the content. So I'm in the bathroom, we're up at Reno, right? And I'm in the bathroom once, I think it was Saturday morning or what like that. And so I should preface why I was up or what caused me to be so frustrated is, I don't know, this is weird. I'm taking my son up to hot August nights for the first time and I'm actually, I'm one, I'm already bummed that I don't have my Camaro up there. But I'm like, you know, it's cool. My son's gonna see all these hot rods and I'm gonna take some photos with them and do all the stuff and see him take cool pictures in front of cars and he'll look back when he's older and stuff like that of these pictures with him hanging out in different cars. That's dad's stuff going in my head, right? Mistake number one, expectations. Yes, yes, yes. I'm sorry. I already set the table. Right, right. So I'm in the bathroom. It's like Friday or Saturday morning. I don't remember what morning it was. And I come out and she's like, uh-oh. And I'm like, uh-oh what? She's like, don't be mad. I'm like, anytime she starts, I'm already mad. She just started that. Like, start with don't be mad, you know. I'm like, what happened? She's like, I decided to cut Max's hair. I'm like, why the fuck would you do that? And why would you do that right now? And why would you not ask me to do that since I cut his hair last time, right? So I did the whole picky binder thing on him last time. It turned out all right, right? I mean, I actually got some compliments from him. I'm like, it was all right. I didn't think it was great. I wouldn't try and do it again. And she's like, his bangs are just driving me crazy. So I cut his bangs. I walk out there, bro, you couldn't intentionally fuck his hair up worse. You couldn't have tried to fuck his hair up worse. What happened? Bro, she cut his bangs and she cut it in a straight line. You can't cut bangs like straight. So it's like squared off here. And then long, oh. Sorry, you look like the Queen's Gambit. You, I'm telling, I'll show a picture of it. I'll show a picture of it. You literally could not have messed it up more. It was that bad. So I, poor Vicky has her hands cut out for her today or tomorrow, whenever she sees you. So you took him to the hottest nights? Yeah. And I did not get mad. I was cool about it and I was just whatever inside. And then she's just like, she's like, you know, I appreciate you really. I feel already bad, really bad. So with that, thanks for not being so angry about it. So I'm like, no, it's okay. Just when our son asked us if we ever took him to the hottest nights and there's no photos to prove that he was there. You can explain to him why. This is what happened. Hey, that's so reverse. Usually it's the dad that does some shit like that. I decided to shave the kid's head. Right. Well, Katrina and I have like a relationship like that. There's a lot of things that are reversed in our relationship and that you're right. That's probably normally the dad that does something silly like that. Well, no, not in our situation. Katrina did something like that. I saw some pictures. It's all right. Oh no, he's young. You know what I mean? So it's cute. Oh, and you know what? She asked him, she's like, honey, I'm so sorry, mommy messed up your hair. It's okay, mommy. Oh. And I was like, you know what? The positive thing, that's what I said. I said, you know, at least you did it at this age when he's not going to be traumatized by it. Bro. They had to go to school. You know what I'm saying? And then like kids are ruthless. My oldest, my oldest who's 17 now. This is like last year. So this is like, that's like prime age. Don't get your kids hair fucked up, right? Yeah. I took him to supercuts. Like, we got to get a haircut, bro. You got to mop on it. That's the end of the story right there. Oh, he looks all right. So I took, I took him to supercuts. You guys remember that lady I told you about? That for, I don't know how we always get her. She's the old lady that has. She's like a lazy eye. It's not lazy. They literally, hey, listen. Always salad, take his teenage boy, take his haircut, that's cross-eyed for cuts. Hey, pay for your own haircut. I pay for your haircut, you go where I tell you. There's a reason why it's $9. It's $5. Hey, Doug, what's that lizard with the eyes going opposite direction? Is that, what is that called? Community. Is it community? Okay, that's what eyes do. They don't cross, they go like this, right? So she's got this, so she gets to cut his hair. Right there, I'm like, I'm walking out. I'm like, oh, shit. But no, I'm, you know, it's like, we're here. I'll try to save a buck, you know what I'm saying? Here you go, bro. You'll be fine. No, it's just fast. So we go, we get the haircut. Now, she literally does not listen. So my son will be like, I can tell, I can hear him. I can see him telling her what to do. Don't go shorter than this. What it should do, shorter than that. Don't, so sure enough, we're done. He's silent, dude. He was mad for probably three, four days. Mad, so mad. That's one of the worst feelings when you deliberately, and then you're telling them exactly what you want. And like, you see them messing up real time. Yeah. And you have, you have no control. Now, keep in mind, this was, maybe it was longer than a year ago. This is when they were doing school at Zoom. You know, through Zoom. So I'm like, bro, we care. You're not even going to school. But anyway, then you make it worse. It's no big deal, it's no big deal. Shave it off, dude. It's always an option. He was so mad, though. Yeah. Oh, dude, speaking of like old, like, so, OK, let me sit. Like, so Zuckerberg had like, I guess, like somebody had found an old baseball card of his. So he, back in the day, went to some like camp and had created his own baseball card with his own made up stats. And he was like, I don't know if he's like 12 years old or something, or if he's like younger than that. But he, somebody had found it that he gave it to and is now auctioning it off on like eBay. And they're going to see how much money they're going to raise for it. But does he look like an Android back then, too? Yeah, because who makes themselves their own baseball card who doesn't even like play or is like known for that or anything? I mean, I know somebody who just did that. I used to put. The adult just didn't. Yeah. What? Yeah, dude, he's on, he's an Instagram guy. I actually like his stuff. I just don't know. He's a little kid. I feel bad making fun of him. Look at that cute kid. No way, dude. Like future, future billionaire Android right now. Oh, he's a cute kid. Poor kid. He wanted to be, you know, you want to be an athlete. He became a billionaire instead. What are you going to do? Yeah, turn into an NFT. Is it, is it, but I mean, like they're selling it now. Like it's like, yeah, like, is there any bids on it? I want to know how much you don't know. I want to know how much money is going to get for that. How cool would it be to have that in here? Yeah. Hey, look, I don't know. There's a joke. It would be funny. I used to take, I used to take the, the, you know, the, my dad's garage rags. I put it in back of my shirt. Boom. I'm a superhero. It's kind of the same thing, right? Well, yeah, just give myself a ward for something I don't even do, you know, just, just do that. Right? Just give yourself a trophy. He's eight years old. Come on. He was eight. Oh, okay. What a meet. Justin's such a bully. Hey, listen, there's, he's making a ton of money off of that. So I have to make. Is he making the money off of it? No, some other guys, but I'm just saying that's weird. Yeah, I want to say it's weird that anybody would want it, I guess is the point. Yeah. Oh, I mean, I mean, I'm with. I'm not sold yet. I don't think I would buy as a joke, but I wouldn't spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on it. It's 10 million. Oh no, no, that's Mickey Mantle. No, no, no, look, Zuckerberg baseball card expected to fetch 10. Oh, no, no, no, no. Oh, sorry. You got to keep reading. Sorry. Yeah. I don't think it's been sold yet. Yeah. Okay. Well, we'll find out, I guess we'll see if anybody does want it. Hey, you know what's going mainstream, by the way? I got to bring this up. Like mainstream, mainstream. So you guys are familiar with Glamour magazine, right? Yeah. I mean, you got, of course. Yeah. Yeah. They're right away. Subscription. Glamour. I love Glamour. Yeah. Yeah. They did this huge article on red light therapy. Huge article. Oh, really? Calling it the fountain of youth. I think I did see that. Yeah. Jackie shared it with us. Shout out to Jackie. She just sends us the best articles. It's going mainstream. And then in the article, they quote all the studies. I was actually proud of Glamour, which is normally a terrible magazine full of garbage. I don't think I've ever heard you say something like that. I know. But I know you guys are going to beat me up afterwards. But they talked about the studies and how it works. And look, for people reading it, it was, you're probably going to get the same feeling I got when we started talking to the company we work with, Juve. When they brought to us, here's what red light therapy does. You guys remember what I said? Bullshit. It doesn't do all that in a way. The studies go way back, dude. There's lots and lots and lots and lots of studies that show its benefits. Speaking of which, we did that podcast with Max, where he talked about the Alzheimer's research and how that 2000, I think it was six study that confirmed, I put in quotations, that the amyloid beta plaques are the cause of the symptoms. Now they're showing was fraudulent. Anyway, he mentioned on that podcast, the mitochondrial dysfunction theory, which I personally think is, that's my belief. I think that's the direction that we need to go is poor mitochondrial health. Well, red light therapy, that's how it works. It literally stimulates the mitochondria to produce more beneficial energy to become more efficient. And this is why when you shine red light on your skin, your skin rejuvenates and gets healthier faster, or why you recover faster. What it does is it literally, it's like giving your mitochondria super fuel, if you will. So is that why, too, they're finding all these other benefits because of all the different types of cells in your body that it affects? They all require through mitochondria. All of them. Benefit everything. That's right. So if you shine it on your skin, better skin health. If you shine it on, this is no joke, that's why it seems magical. Higher testosterone. What do you think it's going to be? Like red light therapies going to become like the new CBD where it's like good for everything? Oh, that's a good one. Right? Just shine some light on it? Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Well, I mean, because it has such positive benefits and everything is connected to that, it's just like, you could probably draw some sort. Context matters, right? Context matters. Are there cases where you might not want to super power your mitochondria? I would imagine. A cancerous state or something? Yeah, maybe in your like a really sick, it depends, right? I would sort of imagine, but you're right. I mean, there are studies that show that it improves cognitive function by getting it to parts of the brain, which I don't... You can't do that with traditional red light therapy because of your skull, although some people tried doing it through the nose. I don't think that works or whatever. Shout out to Beggar Field. Oh, I've seen that before. Yeah. You know, speed of articles that Jackie sent over, she also sent one. Did you see the McDonald's and Beyond Meat? Beyond Meat's tanking. Yeah. God, if only somebody predicted that. You're creating a product that's trying to copy as close as it possibly can another product. So it's trying to be identical. What are the benefits of it? Well, first off, there are none. It's got a million ingredients to one. So it's ground beef versus this engineered food. Number two, the macros were identical. Yeah, of course it's gonna tank. Come on, man. It's not only is it... All it is is plant. That's the only difference. It is not healthier. It doesn't have less calories. And it's worse for you because it's 50 million different ingredients that are put together and engineered to taste like meat. Of course it's gonna tank. Of course. The only people that are gonna stick to it or eat it are people who are super anti-animals getting killed. Otherwise, the average person... Even though you've brought up the point that I think is like crazy to me is you're eating something that is like this thing that you're so opposed to eating. And it's... And they've engineered it to... Isn't that weird though? That is weird. I mean it's like... Think about that for a second. It'd be like if you're super not into eating humans and you had something engineered to taste and feel like you're eating human flesh. You're right. But it's... Yes. I know. It's like that's... To me that's what it seems like. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make no sense. Like if you're a kid it's like eating... It's more of a conversion like an evangelist kind of approach, right? They're trying to meet people where they can kind of bring them in subtly. Like, oh, you know, plant base isn't that bad. We still have burgers. So my sister is like that. I don't know if you guys know that my sister... She's had this aversion to meat since she was like a kid. So she... And it's because her love for animals and she can't help but think that. And so she's just disgusted by just the texture of meat, the look of it, everything. She can have fish and there's some things that she'll do. But for the most part, she's not a big meat eater for that exact reason. And it's like... So if you're like this hardcore vegan or you're just like... And it's all about the animals. The association's already there. Yeah, exactly. So to eat something like a burger that has the taste, the look. You know what? I never thought of that as so true. It's like, listen, everybody, it's wrong to beat children. But here's some fake kids. But here's a fake children. Shut up. And they're so realistic. They bleed and they die just like real kids. But it's not kids. That's so dark. Wouldn't you be like, what the fuck are you doing, man? Weird. Weird. What is wrong with you? That's true. Yes. If you're against eating animals, you shouldn't eat things that are made to taste like animals. Very good point, Adam. That is a huge mind blow. Well, maybe that's why it's going to fall. Maybe that's why it's going to fall on its face because the ones that really are, I would think are like my sister where they do. They think it's like... You know what the key was? I wonder about these contracts. Like how long? Because obviously they got into the fast food chain kind of market. And it was a trial run for the most part. It started out like mild interest, right? And but I wonder if that's just like after it, like it's that contract starting to come up and it's going to be like one chain after the next. Of course. Get rid of them. You know, what was the price point? Can you pull that up, Doug? What was the price? What do you mean, their stock? No, no, no, no. The price point at McDonald's. So like... I think it was the same. It was the exact... Like could you get a Big Mac that was beyond burger, Big Mac versus regular one? And it was exact same price. Oh, that's a good point. Because that could make a big difference too, right? So like if they were charging a premium because of all the stuff that goes into it, it's more expensive to potentially produce, that it might have been really expensive. And so, you know, at the end of the day, people are trying to save money and that's why you go... A lot of people go to some of these fast food restaurants and so you're like, I'm not going to pay an extra dollar for it. No, it'd be interesting for me to see if like some companies like hold true, like it's like a cause that they're keeping that around instead of listening to the market demand. No. Right? No, dude. They don't care. Not for the business to make an act, bro. I would believe you if I didn't see that happening in all other industries. Listen, here's the deal. Okay. Well, I mean... Here's what a company's job is... I mean, they will if they're like in all vegan place. I mean, come on. Sure, but that's their market. I don't know. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Look at a McPlant remarkably smaller than the Impossible Whopper, but it was a mere $3. Although I don't understand what they're saying. So the McPlant meal is $9.19 with fries and a drink. Okay. Is that... That's more than... I don't know. Well, that was what you're supposed to be looking for me. Well... You brought more useless information to the conversation. Okay. Thank you. It needed more. Like we know the automatic price. Well, I know you go to McDonald's all the time for that. I think it was more. Yeah. See, that's so maybe it was more. To me, I'm sure that played a role, right? You got to think, especially at the times that we're in right now. Yeah, it's more expensive. Listen, a company's job should be to give the consumer what they want. That means it's our responsibility. It should be. That's the goal. So if a company's doing something you don't like, blame the consumer. Okay. Now, obviously, you shouldn't lie, cheat, steal, hurt, kill, that kind of stuff. But that's just how it works. So these companies don't give a shit at all. If they're not selling them, they're not selling them. And that's the bottom line. You know what made these patties popular in the first place? Was that they figured out a way to make them bleed like me. So back to your point, Adam. They're like, oh, this one's even more like me. Is the beat they added in so it looked like it was blood? Does that say? The Big Mac Meals $5.99. Well, that was a whopper. You were at Burger King before. No, no, no. McPlant was like $9 in something for the meal. Oh, that's a lot more. Yeah, it's like $4 more. By the way, I do want to say this, not saying that this is an equivalency, but there is a truth here. A lot of animals do get killed in making these foods. Oh, I know. That's the point that people always make it so weird. It's like you have this thing for cows and stuff like that, but rabbits and mice and gophers and birds. A lot of inconvenient truth of that. Yeah, a lot of them do get killed. There's no perfect way to do it. We haven't figured out a way to kill nothing, except for lab-grown meat. Have you guys seen that they're starting to make this happen? See that? To me, it has to come from living cells. Where are those living cells coming from? They take stem cells. From what? That's a good question. From the animal. So it's still part of the animal that they're just growing and fostering the lab. Yeah, but I think once you get some, then that's it. You're done. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. I don't know what this is. I don't know what this is. This is a great question. Hey, listen, you reminded me of something. Look at this thing. Now that we're talking about meat. Justin, I got a question for you. Okay. I think I know what the answer is. Anything meat. If you could get something for life, what would it be? Bacon, of course. Bacon for life. Butcher box is giving away bacon for life. Oh, they brought it back? They brought it. Every time they, by the way, throw bacon on it. If you're listening to this, okay, and you were contemplating getting on. They run out. So you signed this shit up. If you were contemplating getting on the butcher box bandwagon, now is the time to do it. And you have to do it fast because every year that they bring this back, it goes so hard that it goes ham. Right? It goes ham. And then it ends up when it happens. It ain't no carrot bacon either. I'll tell you that. It's real bacon. Coming from pigs. No one caught that, Andrew, except for you. Yeah. I do. Would you make a joke that I'm going ham? Yes, thank you, Doug. No, I got it. I just don't want to acknowledge this dude. Give you a curse. You laugh, at least. There's a dumb joke. Dad joke. As soon as he became a dad, Justin. Yeah, that was better than a dad joke. Come on. He's only got a few years experience. Can we shout out those guys? By the way, hey, shout out that page. I like that Instagram page. Oh, the dad joke? Yeah. Yeah. I like to give love when I find it. I love those dead pan jokes. It's called, they're called, Andrew, you know the name of that? You're up there in Tahoe, right? Yeah. I think it's called like, I want Doc Talk or something like that. Is that what it's called? They're hilarious though. Who else? Oh, that was the other person we're going to shout. Jen Cohen. Jen Cohen is like undercover badass. Well, hold on a second. She's so impressive every time. Like what I mean by that is every time you talk to her and meet her, you're like, you did what? You do how? And then she posts, and I didn't believe, look, I didn't fully believe you guys. You guys are freaking out over, what is that called? Windsurfing or? Yeah, kite surfing. Kite boarding. You guys are like, oh dude, she's like pro level. And I'm like, okay, so she's probably pretty good. No, no, no. She's pro level. Like flipping and doing wild shit on a freaking board in the water. Yeah. She's a badass. No, no. You know what she said to me? Her whole motto is don't talk about it. Talk about what you can do, show it, shock them and then move on. That's 100% what she does. Yeah, yeah. That's why I said she's like, drop that, drop that, like, oh, take a look at my little. Oh, look, I'm just hanging out good with this. Yeah, she always shocks me because she's able to get in and communicate with and connect with people. And you're just like, how did you meet that person? How did you, she just does it? Yeah. She was one, we've talked before on the podcast of like, there's been times where like, oh, we almost didn't meet somebody or like, hesitantly, I don't know about this person. And then she completely like flipped your perspective of who she was. 100%. I remember when she came in, there was this grumbling sound in here of like, oh, we're going to interview this trainer girl. Who is this? And then we all met her and everybody fell in love with her. And then we've continued to fall in love with her the more we get to know her. That's only happened a few times. Yeah. There's only been a few times where there's been somebody who like, we were really reluctant. We're pretty spot on for the most part. Yeah, I think so too. But every once in a while, someone just. Surprises. Yes. She was like one of the most surprising people that we've met. And I just continue to love her. She's amazing. So real quick, I want to, I need to hear this, Justin. The Alka-Seltzer thing. Oh yeah. Please explain this to me. I believe this my whole life. And also why I didn't wash your t-shirt today. Both those things, please. I got bird poop on me a little bit. Wait a minute. That's what you said earlier. Dude, I was brushing my teeth. Oh, okay. Hold on. Hold on. A bit of suds came out of my mouth and it landed right here, dude. Your theories are coming from that. Earlier it was like this, though. It was like, you know. Was he crusty? Okay, I know what you guys were trying to imply, dude. It was not crusty. Hold on a second. Did you forget to bring your shirt and you had to grab one out of the back of the car, to be honest. No. No, this was fresher, too. Right off. Really? Yeah. All right. Can I smell it? I messed it up. Let me smell it and I'll tell you. You want to smell it? No, I don't. I don't want to smell it. I feel like I think that. All right, it's toothpaste. All right. What am I talking about? Oh yeah, Alka-Seltzer. Right. So I was explaining things to Everett, like before I, you know, helped him get ready for bed. A lot of times he just like finds it like, opportune time to ask me like all these crazy questions. Deep questions and stuff. Really deep questions, right? And one of them was like, so I don't know how it got brought up. Oh, we were talking about like acid reflux and stuff because he's already kind of has signs that he's going through like, you know, a bit of acid reflux. And I said, there'd be times where I was at my friend's house and I stayed the night and they didn't have like toms. They didn't have anything to help. And I'd be like dying. I was like burning and so I would go down to the kitchen and I'd find like begging soda and I'd put like a teaspoon and water and stir it. And then, but it'd make me burp like crazy and all the stuff. And then I don't know, somehow that got into talking about seagulls and Alka Seltzer. And I was like, I vividly like remember, I felt like I remembered seeing somebody do this down at the beach. And I was like, duh, like it's so cruel. Like threw up like some Alka Seltzer. And I thought that- Yeah, they die or they explode. They die or they explode. Like their stomach explodes. Everybody knows that. Right. But apparently I don't know if mythbusters have done anything to this or not, but I read a bunch of articles after this and went down a rabbit's hole like of videos and YouTube. And they're like, the scientists are like, no, like it's the theory is because they're not able to get rid of it through gas, through farts or burps, right? Like they don't do that. But in pressure, in terms of like their ability to do it, they said that they would have the ability to do it. They just don't do it because of their diet. So typically they don't like fart or burp or exchange gas. My whole childhood was a lie. Because they can, but so they have the ability to do it. So it's like, it'll probably mess up their stomach and they're going to have to like work through all that gas and stuff that comes about. But so it won't kill them. It doesn't blow them up. You know what? Surefire where- I was shit all over the place. So here's the worst part is we're watching videos waiting. You know, for these seagulls, I'm like, I've never seen this happen. I'm going to be honest, like ever. It was like, I don't want to watch this down. I'm like, I don't want to watch it either, but I saw it being true. It's educational, sit down, we're going to watch this. And we're like scrolling, waiting, and this guy did it. I'm like, oh no, it's going to happen. And then the seagulls is like, you know, suffering on the ground, but then it's fine. And it like flies off. I'm like, oh shit, it's okay. Everything's okay. You know what, dude? Oh my god. This is the internet ruins everything. This was true in my head. It's just true. Right? You know, back in the day, if you didn't know something, you would ask your aunt and then she'd tell you, and that was it. That was the truth for the rest of your life. Now we got the damn internet. I had to see if it was visually like, I had to get proof. Yeah. So I stuck it out. What else is not true? Almost everything. Yeah. Blowing in the Nintendo cartridge doesn't make it work. I still believe that. I know. That's true. I'm telling you, they did, they actually did tests on it. I don't know. That's bullshit. That's fake news. Yeah. So we got even worse though. Actually, we'll cut it there. Fuck it. Hey, real quick, one of the sponsors we've worked with the longest is OrganiFi. And that's for a reason. This company is incredible. High quality ingredients, convenience, great tasting. 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I've been lifting weight since I was 15 with a power lifting background until I was about 20 to 21. Once I stopped doing that, I started doing just like a normal traditional two-body split six days a week. I've been doing that for basically the last 10 years, pretty much my own programming. I've never done any full body workouts before. That is until I started Maps Aesthetic about eight weeks ago. So I don't have a lot of experience with full body, so it was kind of a shock. I went ahead and started with Aesthetic. I know you guys probably would have told me to go with anabolic to start with, but I thought with my experience that it would be okay. But I've really been struggling with the volume and intensity of the program. Phase one was great. Whenever I got into phase two though, I started dealing with a lot of joint pain, just struggling to find motivation to do the foundational workouts. I went from whenever I started phase one, I was doing a focus day of shoulders, a focus day of core, and then I was doing one day of Olympic lifting on the weekends, very lightweight, just because that's a passion of mine. So when I started phase two, I ended up taking out the Olympic lifting. I stopped doing the focus sessions just because of soreness. And pretty much was just doing the foundational workouts and just kind of barely getting through them. I took a deload week to see if that would maybe help get me rested up and so I could keep the intensity up. But I've just been really struggling with soreness, muscle soreness, joint soreness. Anytime I lift like day one, doing the squats on day one, whenever the next foundational day comes around, I'm nowhere near ready to deadlift. I feel like I'm just super sore, super tight still. So I've been kind of like stretching them out, taking more than one rest day between the foundational days, just really struggling. And so my question is, you guys think like with the volume, that it would be like with how high the volume is and the aesthetic, especially going into phase three, would I be better off just stopping in the middle of the program since I'm struggling so much and maybe going back to something like anabolic or it would it be better just to keep super lightweight, focus on form and just get through it and then move on to something else or what would you guys recommend there? It's too late for that second part. You're already over-trained. I mean, seriously, so anabolic would be fine but you know what, with your powerlifting background, I would love to see you do symmetry. I bet you symmetry will blow your mind, especially with your experience with bilateral squats and deadlifts and presses and all that stuff. I bet you symmetry would get your body exactly where you want. I also want to comment on the transition from going from a two-body part type of split to full body. This was a similar thing that I had to deal with because I trained that way for so many years and your mindset has to shift because you're doing these bigger compound lifts that are more taxing on the body when you're doing like a full-body routine like that three days a week. And this is where the two-in-the-tank thing you may have heard of talk about before is so important. Oh, yeah. And I had a hard time with that because up until that point, I could really hammer those two-body parts because I didn't have to worry about it because I wasn't going to hit it for a few... I had plenty days of recovery before I'd hit those two-body parts again because I'd cycle through other body parts, right? So I was able to train at a higher intensity because of the split. So I had to learn to back off of the training right to failure or if the program called for five or six reps, I was barely getting the fifth or six rep up versus switching over to this like, okay, I need to be able to choose a weight that I could have done two or three more reps when I hit my five reps or whatever with that. So that's part of the mental process you're probably going to have to go through. I don't know if that hits home at all for you but that was a challenge for me for a while. So that could be playing into why you feel that way too. Yeah, and aesthetics a lot of volume on top of it. Yeah, I think your intuition initially with anabolic was where we would have probably directed you and just especially for the transition from split to now total body. That's why we kind of direct people in that direction first. Just so the volume is a bit lower, you can be a little more focused and pay attention to what your body signals are and how it's feeling through that process. But at this point, getting to that overtraining state, I think, Sal's advice with symmetry, kind of going through that and then maybe after that transitioning to anabolic would be my suggestion. Yeah, I think that would be amazing. I think you'll be amazed with how strong you are after symmetry going into anabolic. Especially the last phase of symmetry is a five by five for a few weeks. Okay. I think you're going to like it. Now in the beginning there's some stuff you're probably not used to. Just go through it, trust the process. Okay. Yeah, I mean power lifters really benefit the most from this kind of training. Just because especially people with history like you do, just so much bilateral work that you've developed patterns and compensatory patterns that you're just, you're not even aware of. Doing the unilateral stuff that you'll do in symmetry, you'll notice some things. Thinking of it as a performance enhancement too. The more stable your joints are, the more force you're able to produce. So you'll see your lifts increase as a result. Yeah. So Doug will send over symmetry to you. So you got that now. Let's do that. Awesome. Awesome. Thank you. So stop, stop right now and just start. You got it. Yeah. Phase one. Yeah. 100%. Yep. Yep. You got it, man. Thanks for calling in. Okay. Hey, I got one more question real quick. Oh yeah, go for it. Okay. So I was trying to figure out how to word this in the email. It may not have come across like I wanted to. Basically, like I said, I did competition power lifting like 10 a long time ago. And that was like the strongest I've ever been was whenever I was doing that with my compound lifts. So that being said, I haven't like hit a PR in a compound lift in the big three in 10 years. So would you say that's just a result of like the fact that I'm not competing in it anymore, that I have switched my programming to do other goals? Is that okay? Like I feel like it's hard to gauge my programming since I'm still not as strong as I was, you know, no matter like I, you know, I do wonder at maxes and it's still, you know, 20 to 25% off of like what my maxes were whenever I was competing. That's actually a real, that's a really good question that we don't address enough. I think on this show is that, you know, people think that this because you were at this level where you were competing, which means you were probably programming and training to hit PRs in your, your meats. Here you are 10 years later and you've done all these other goals and training programs and splits. And yet you haven't surpassed any of those PRs. When I'm, when I'm gauging in my, is my programming doing well, I'm comparing to where I was at the beginning of that program, right? So if I start, you start maps anabolic, your, wherever your squat, your deadlift, your overhead press where those movements are, what I want to see is improvement from that number. I'm not going to compare to my powerlifting self 10 years ago. And if you really want to go chase that and you do want to do that, well, then you, then you run a program like power lift. And then you actually program to increase your lifts. And it's not really about aesthetics. It's not about performance. It's not about other things. It's literally about, can I get big at those or get strong at those core lifts again? And I think there's nothing wrong with a goal like that. I would recommend based off of the things you're telling us to do symmetry, like we said, but then maybe after symmetry, you go do power lift or symmetry in an anabolic and then go power lift. So nothing wrong with you revisiting an old, you know, a powerlifting type of a program just to see what you got. But yeah, I would be very depressed if I compared myself to my, all my PRs all the time. I'd be discouraged and all my work. Right. Yeah. That's what, and that's what I was thinking about. I was like, man, like, I feel like, you know, I feel like I'm more muscular than I was back then. My, my composition's a lot different because I was way bigger whenever I power lifted us, you know, 280 pounds and a body weight. And so like it's hard to, you know, I can't compare like my physique to, you know, between then and now, obviously it's, it's, you know, I'm lean or now and stuff like that. But it's like, man, I'm just nowhere near as strong as I used to be. Lucas, you didn't tell us that. You were, you were way heavier and bigger. You're a boss. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's so many factors like, okay, you're older, but you're not old. So you're still in that prime age of strength. But I mean, who knows, maybe your sleep is different. Maybe you're a dad now. Maybe you got a job now. Your training is different. You're much lighter. Like, I mean, I, you know, when I, you know, when I used to bulk up to 230, I would hit some pretty crazy list. I ain't going to compete with that at 205. Right, right, right. So yeah, there's a lot of factors. You're right, you're right. Yeah. We'll send you, we'll send you a symmetry. Okay. That's, that's where I think you should go for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Awesome. Thank you guys very much. Thank you. All right, there you go. So, um, when Justin, when you see a big beard, is that, do you have to yield to that? Because you have a tidy beard? Kneel before the big beard. You know, his, I like this stuff that we talked about because it is something that we haven't addressed that often. And I do remember this transition for myself because I trained like he did for a long time. He's like the same intensity and then go into a full body. Yeah. And the fact that he chose aesthetic, like that couldn't have been the worst situation, right? Like Justin made a good point. Like just because you're transitioning, and I get where his logic was because he's like, Oh, I'm an advanced lifter. They probably tell anabolic to all beginners because I'm an advanced lifter. I can jump right to one of their more advanced programs. But that's, it's anabolic is not. I do it. I'm doing it right now. Yeah. I say anabolic. I keep coming back to it. Anabolic is not a beginner program. I mean, we, we recommended it as a foundation or the first program, but it doesn't, it's all of us run that type of routine all the time. So it's a, it's a very good solid program. And for sure, for somebody who is transitioning for 10 years of doing a two body part split, six day a week routine. It's gonna be a shock to the system. Oh yeah. Anabolic is definitely the place you want to start off, before you jump into something like aesthetic for sure. Our next caller is Quinton from Illinois. Quinton, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hello, hello, Sal. It's going good. And so I have a question regarding what to do in a cut in terms of like learning a new skill. So I'm thinking about doing some Muay Thai or some Olympic lifting. And I'm wondering, you know, there's a couple of trains of thought you could go down with that, but, you know, I'm kind of looking for some advice on that. That's pretty much it. Okay. Which one's more important to you? Or do you want to do both at the same time? I mean, like, I think I could do both at the same time. I mean, the Olympic lifting, I would just replace, you know, regular sessions with just some low weight, higher reps, learning the form because that's something that you have to learn the form for. Yeah. And then Muay Thai, maybe like, you know, once or twice a week, something like that. All right. Maybe knee your friend after a snatch. Yeah. Or knee them. Yeah, right. You know, just pop it open just right into the face. So here's the deal. Olympic lifting is the, it's the formula one of strength training. I don't want to piss off a bunch of strength athletes that do other sports, but... Kidding me? It is. It's the most... It's the most... It's the most pinnacle. It's the most complicated, the most skill... Nice skill, yeah. ...is required. There's nothing compared to it in terms of skill with strength training. So you're going to need to get a good coach. I would not go to the gym and practice on your own. I would treat it like Muay Thai. Like, you're not going to try and learn Muay Thai by looking at pictures online and kicking your wall or something, right? You're going to go take a class. So I would go, you know, two days a week of Muay Thai, two days a week with an Olympic coach. That's a great balance. And the Olympic coach is going to make sure that you train the skill more than the lift and the intensity. Like, a real Olympic coach is going to have you start with the broomstick and then you're going to move up to a barbell at some point. And it's not going to be about how much you can lift. It's going to be about perfecting your technique. That's going to be so... That's going to go really, really well with Muay Thai, which is also... Now, you just assumed something without asking. I'm curious. Were you actually planning to try and do this all on your own or were you going to hire a coach? Yeah. I was just going to look at YouTube, honestly, and just kind of learn the Olympic movements from there. I mean, I've been watching it on YouTube and just seeing some of these guys, like Lasha and Tao Tien, and just the way they move it just so cool. And I really want to learn that. I don't know where I would even access an Olympic coach, a lifting coach. I've done Muay Thai for over a year before. I had to stop because it was offensive. I'm a poor grad student yet, yet, yet. But, yeah. So the reason why I think this is important is because not having a coach, too, would change the way I would approach this. Totally. So there's no way I would probably bite off both of those if I'm deciding... Because there's nothing wrong with self-teaching. I don't think there's anything wrong with you. I mean, the resources that we have with YouTube now and there's some great coaches online where you can find stuff like that. But I definitely probably wouldn't try and do both at the same time, especially since you're training yourself. Maybe if you had the luxury of, okay, I've got these two pro coaches. I'm seeing one, two days a week. The other one, two days a week. They're giving you good feedback based off of what you're telling them. But if I'm going to go teach myself, I don't know. I got a question, Adam. What's... Boys, what's his name? Sonny Webster. Sonny, does he have an Olympic lifting program? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Get a real Olympic lifting program online. So it's way less expensive than a hybrid coach. Can you follow Sonny Webster? No, I don't know who that is. Yeah, all right. We've had him on the show. So we had him on the show years ago. I think he's one of the better guys out there. I really like him. And he does have an Olympic lifting program. So follow his content. Yeah, because he's got good stuff and he's a real Olympic lifter. He's not like a CrossFit competitor who does Olympic lifts. It's like, he really coaches it. He's a good coach and teacher and he knows his stuff. He's been around for a long time. That's why we had him on the show a long time ago. So definitely do that. So... So the main part of the question still though is like, you know, is this something that I would want to do at a maintenance caloric intake or at a deficit caloric intake? So I'm just kind of like getting a little bit bored of just like, you know, the same. I've gone through anabolic many times and aesthetic a couple of times. And I've just been going in recently just focusing on like new mobility stuff. I saw Sal do some farmer walks with the trap bar. So I was like, all right, I'll try that out. And is this something, you know, this new skill, is this something I should do in a deficit or at a maintenance or does it not matter? The skill part doesn't matter. It's the new work in intensity. So if it's a bunch of new work in intensity, it would be hard to do that and then also being a deficit. Because you're more likely to over train and fry your body. I'm also getting the sense from listening to you right now too that you're just, it sounds like you're kind of just searching for something fun to challenge yourself and do. Is that what I'm kind of getting? And you're just, you have an interest in really tying a limb. Okay, have you actually considered actually running one of our less conventional programs like map strong or power? I haven't run strong. I have access to it, but I haven't run it yet. I've done power lift before. That one was really fun. But I over bulked and I got like humongous. In a good and bad way. But yeah, but I haven't run strong yet. You would like strong. You would like strong. I think so. Yeah, I think you would like strong. Yeah, yeah. And it's so different. I mean, it is really different. It's probably one of the most unique programs that we have as far as the way we programmed it. I mean, it's. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So if you, so I mean, that's not, I'm not trying to change your mind about Muay Thai or Olympic lifting, but the sense that I'm getting from you. And by the way, I think this is a really good, this is a really good conversation because I think this is how, this is important for people that want to have a lifelong pursuit in fitness. I have found it extremely important for me to always be changing my goals and having new things to go after. And I think it's very healthy to be, to like kind of move in and out of these things. It's fun. Yeah, it's, it's fun. It keeps it entertaining. It's challenging your body in different ways. So I like where your head is at that you're like searching for a new skill to acquire or a new challenge in your training. Like nothing wrong with that at all. But that's also why we wrote some of these unconventional type of programs is so you can use those to pursue those things and have fun with it. So if that's not an option, then we can talk more about the Muay Thai and Olympic lifting, but I think the strong would be something you would love to do. And if you are going to teach yourself Muay Thai and Olympic lifting through virtual digital, I would focus on one at a time. Now are you treating Muay Thai more like you're sharpening your skill in terms of like, you know, your thrown kicks and punches and whatnot instead of like, you know, it just being like super cardiovascular like you're doing it for, for the circuit and the cardiovascular aspect of it. No, definitely more. Sorry, sorry, go ahead, Justin. Well, just in contrast to like the power, because if I could see them sort of working together if you're like focused, like highly on the skill and like getting better at the technique of that, you know, alongside, you know, power lift a couple of times a week or not power lift, sorry, Olympic lifting. Yeah. Yeah. I think the majority for both of them, I just a new skill that I want to learn, you know, I'm 25 and I just want to see what kind of weight I can move around with Olympic lifting that seems fun. And the Muay Thai is just, it's a ton of fun to learn like the art and the technique of it. And it's like, it's really interesting. I know you've done it in the past before as well and you've talked about it. And it's like just so much fun to learn that. And I would definitely do that one through a class a couple of times a week. I wouldn't do that one like just virtually. But the Olympic lifting, I would definitely try to do virtually just because I don't have, I don't think I have access to like a coach on that kind of stuff. Good deal. Yeah. Sunny Webster's got good programming on that. Yeah. You can make it work. I think, yeah. I think if you go in with that mindset, but just, you know, you just got to pay attention to, you know, how your body responds. And the bottom line is they don't even know, right? They don't even know. They don't even know, guys. One of these days. I, you know, the, I don't know what Sunny's programming looks like because I wish I did so I could give you like more specific advice. I do know like what I would do with strong and Muay Thai. Like I could, you could totally follow map strong and follow the foundational days and then pull out the work sessions and trade them in for Muay Thai. For sure the work session would go. So that would be a cool blend, right? And you don't have to, you don't have to take so much time learning skill with Olympic lifting is like learning an art strong. You'll be able to jump as, if you have strength training experience, you'll be able to jump in right away and just build strength. Yeah. And then you just pull the work sessions out and then replace it with your Muay Thai classes. Now you're getting to do some pretty cool, different unique lifts that you're probably not used to, like circus pressing and snatch grip deadlifts and like these movements that are, the trap bar deadlift carries are in there. Like there's a lot of cool movements that are unconventional that I think you'll enjoy the challenge of getting better at that. Then you can incorporate your Muay Thai on the work session day. So drop the work session days out of strong, follow your Muay Thai there instead. And now you get kind of a cool little blend there. That's brilliant advice. Okay. Yeah. Actually, that sounds pretty good. All right. Excellent, man. Thanks for calling in. Yeah. Awesome. Thanks, guys. Thank you. See you later. Yeah. I knew he wanted, he was going to learn it on his own because he was so confident. You know, we got on the phone. I was like, this dude's going to learn on his own. Bro, when you were given, when you were starting to give you advice, I was like, how about this kid ain't getting no coaches? This kid's watching YouTube right now. You can go out and be a Muay Thai guy. And that's a lot. That's a lot right there. You know, it's funny with Muay Thai. People have no idea. Muay Thai boxing, wrestling, jiu-jitsu, brutal. They're brutal. Like you go take a class and you're done, dude. You get wasted. So it's not like a normal like, I'm going to go take this workout class where it takes a lot. It's super aggressive and super skillful. So yeah, both require like an insane amount of skill, like those different pursuits. And they're totally different. So, you know, it's just kind of racking my brain, like how you're going to manage both of those things. Yeah, 100%. I love where the kid's head's at though. You know, I think that's a, he's 25 years old, been listening to him. He's had some fun with. Probably for four or five years. He's ran anabolic aesthetic, all those programs. Totally. I think it's a, it's really healthy and good to be challenging yourself though. Just, I think you're biting off more than you could chew when you try to acquire two really. I like the strong in the work session replacement with Muay Thai. Right. I feel like that's a good. That was great advice because Olympic lifting, you're not going to derive tons of benefit for a while. Just because you got to learn it. It's so technical. You really got to hyper focus on it. Yeah, dude. And people don't treat it that way. And that's how people get hurt. But if you treat Olympic lifting the way where you learn the lifts, it's going to take you a while. Even someone who's really mobile and athletic, you got to give yourself six months before you're really pushing certain lifts and not even all of them. Like I think even a snatch, for example, for some people taking them longer. Yeah. Next caller is Rich from Colorado. Rich, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey, what's going on guys? I appreciate the time. Thanks for, uh, for taking the call and for taking the question, uh, a little background. I've only been listening to you guys for about, I'd say three months. So it was awesome to find you guys. Uh, you got to come up on my 4U page. And as a process of seeing you, my 4U page ended up going to the YouTube, ended up going to Spotify, and I've been sold on it ever since. That being said, I'll get right to my question. A little bit of background. I've been lifting for about consistently about 15 years, started when I was 19. But consistently started hitting at around 26, 41 now, 511, about 188, 189 pounds. Um, I'm about eight weeks post distal bicep tendon rupture. Ooh. So distal bicep tendon rupture, ended up rupturing from, I was moving boxes in the garage. It's always a freak accident, how it happens. So ended up tearing, going up. They ended up pulling it down, drilling through the radio, and then reattaching it. That kind of surgery is more like, just picture like a button under your collar. All they do is they just take a bicep button, put it through, suture it back in. So it's about a 13 millimeter socket right here, that has it back in. So six weeks, PT, twice a week, successfully completed that after that. Pretty much throughout the whole time, it never really stops training, would just train lower body, you know, treadmill, things like that, incline, weighted vest, and things of that nature. And this kind of ties in last week, or the week before you had an individual on who had a broken right arm. So kind of the advice that you gave him, pretty much kind of already kind of answered my question. So it's the reason why I posted this question in a certain frame is, as a trained individual, or fairly well conditioned individual, coming back from an injury of this nature, right now we're at about 60%. There's really no problem with the bicep itself, as far as flexion or rotation, only pain that I'm getting is about right here in the wrist, and that kind of corresponds right with the part where they did the, they did the drilling. So running MAPS anabolic, like I said, let's do you guys for about three months, picked up MAPS anabolic figure to go ahead, let's just start everything over. So I went from not doing the pre-phase, and I went right into the advanced blueprint, so weeks four to six. That being said, my question was, as a trained individual, coming back from an injury of this nature, how do you resist the urge to either add to the program, or just say, you know what, I think I can do more? Like, when do you make that distinction, based on the perceived exertion? I don't get me wrong, I love the program. I've never been much into trigger sessions, until like I really like the trigger sessions. I add only just some treadmill walks with the trigger sessions, so total workout is about 30 minutes with the trigger sessions, only being eight to 12 minutes. But yeah, my question is, as a trained individual, how do you overcome that urge or that wanting to, hey, let's not just jump right back in, but hey, I can handle more, when you know how to dial it up, when you know how to dial it back? Well, that's a good question. That took a long time for me to figure it out. It takes a really long time, and I think we all still struggle with it today. I think, I mean, when you listen to enough podcast episode, Julie actually hear us talk about, still to this day, I tend to overreach. I'll always end up being the guy who flirts with doing too much, then probably not doing enough, so it's a constant conversation. Now, the fact that you have us, I mean, this is kind of you, I would try and get you to blindly trust us that we've scaled the programs in that manner. I actually, by the way, I would rather, I'm gonna have Doug send you map symmetry, by the way. Thank you. So I'm gonna send map symmetry your way, and also maps prime pro. I just think that that is going to benefit you even more than anabolic, and I would follow that first before running anabolic. Totally. And then when you actually have the urge to do more, if that does happen, I would actually do more mobility stuff. And in your case, it would be shoulder and wrist stuff, in particular, because of your injury. So if you have this urge that I want to do more work or more things that I would allow you to, but then I would say instead of us doing more work, lifting heavy weight, or doing more exercises like that, let's dial in more of your mobility training, and then I would allow you to do more mobility stuff. Yeah, as far as signs are concerned, if I start to feel a little tight or stiff, and especially if I start to feel a little bit of soreness or inflammation at the insertion points of my muscles, I know I'm going too much, going too hard. So even just stiffness, like if I get into a set, and I'm like, oh, I need like three warm-up sets just to be able to get full range of motion. Like I know I'm overdoing it. So for me personally, it's stiffness that I look at. Like how stiff and loose do I feel? If I feel loose and comfortable, I know I'm usually doing the right amount. If I start to feel tight, I'm usually doing too much. Well, this is why I like Adam kind of bringing up symmetries because inevitably, if you've been trained a long time, we have this amount of weight already in our head of our capability. And so it's like, it's a shot to the ego if you're starting over again, you're working through an injury. And to be able to kind of now just focus more unilaterally and with dumbbells and taking less weight, it's something that you can refocus on, getting stronger, getting more stable, getting more connection. So it's a completely different mindset that you go into that, which isn't quite as damaging to the ego. It's just something too that's going to benefit you longer term than just jumping right back to bilateral barbell training. And it'll be less tempting, right? It'll be less tempting to want to that urge to want to like, oh, I know I've done this before. So I'll throw this weight back on because you're doing all this unilateral and isometric work inside symmetry. It's so perfect. Yeah, it's definitely where I'd want you right now, especially until we're talking about 100% back with your bicep and stuff like that. So once you're feeling 100, then that's a different story. But right now, while you're still kind of in rehab mode a little bit, but starting to feel better, symmetry I think is a perfect program for that. It's a good bridge to kind of get there. And then the combination is Prime Pro. And so as that ego creeps in and you want to do more and more, it's sure, okay, let's do more mobility work. Let's keep working on that. And that you can do a lot. You can do a ton of that. Thanks for calling in. Rich, what kind of teacher are you? Oh, so I work in oil and gas. I'm a safety guy for oil and gas. I've been working on oil rigs for about 18 years. Oh, no shit. Oh, yeah. There's the iron team right there. We found an enable. We found that sucker. Yeah, I appreciate it guys. That's kind of when I heard the guy with the broken arm and you recommended symmetry, I was like, okay, that's the route to go. And I'm good with it because I don't mind starting all the way back over, right? Because it's a challenge. It's like, okay, how do I beat this right here? Like I already know how to train by it. Like how can I train this to say, okay, stop. So I appreciate it. Yeah, you'll like it. You'll like it. And it ain't taking a step back. You just watch to see what happens to your body. Yeah, yeah. You're gonna like it. Advance afterwards, trust me. Awesome, guys. Well, I appreciate the time. Thank you, Rich. Thank you very much. Thanks, man. Have a good one. You know, it's funny. A little rig guy. Yeah. Well, dude, well, I don't know what he does now, but yeah, I've seen the guys that work on this. Yes, yes. What was that documentary that was really good? Super dangerous. Or there was a documentary or a movie that was made? It was a movie made out for blood, right? A real story. Oh, I remember that movie. Yeah, but these are like, you mean modern rigs? Like, was it modern? Yeah, no, there was a story. The last big one that caught fire. There was a movie made off of... I forgot. I know what you're talking about. Andrew, you know what I'm talking about, right? Yeah. No. Yeah, no, there was a movie made, and it was based off of a true story. And it was a really good movie. I cannot think of the name of it right now. You know, it's funny, like Symmetry is one of those programs. I know it's designed to balance out the body, sculpt muscles, everything looks really good, but it's almost applicable to almost any situation. Because of the nature of the program, it's going to bring out and strengthen imbalances and weaknesses. It really doesn't make a huge difference if you're a strength athlete, if you're endurance, if you want to work on mobility. Like, it's all the same. It just reinforces everything. Totally. Yeah, beneficial for everybody. Deepwater Horizon. Oh, yeah, that's the one. Next caller is Emily from Colorado. Hi, Emily. How can we help you? Hi, guys. I am such a big fan of your show. I've listened to every episode. And yeah, I just want to thank you so much for your life-changing advice. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Yeah, a quick question. I know Sal is always saying that the deadlift is the number one exercise to work the entire posterior chain of muscles. And so I was curious if there is an exercise that works the anterior chain of muscles, if that's even a thing that's similar? Oh, all the anterior squats, as you say. Front squats are going to be the closest. Yeah, but you're going to get a lot of posterior chain on that too, right? I mean, you are, but I mean, what else are you going to get? Bench press lunch. No, a front squat. You're going to get shoulder and arms and core and- You get a lot of posture. It's really hard because the anterior chain doesn't work in the same way that the posterior chain kind of connects and works together. Now, the anterior chain does work together, but often it works in conjunction. If you're talking about the whole anterior chain with stabilization from the posterior chain, and this is just me off the top of my head because I'm trying to think of an anterior chain. Like obviously a bench press is some is anterior, but that's not a chain, right? A squat is posterior and anterior because you get the quads and the posterior chain. So that's a tough one. I'm having a tough one. Think about what like a full sit-up to a bench press. Like a hollow body position. Plank, yeah. Plank will be a good one. Yeah, plank. I mean, it's hard to compare to a deadlift though, right? Like a deadlift is going to build a ton of muscle in on all those- I mean, there's some, you know, like back, there's flexion and extension of the spine, and you can lean back and get some range of motion there, but there's no lift that I would want to do necessarily that would load that in a way like a deadlift, obviously. So that's tough. Any particular reason why you're asking? Yeah, just curious. You know, I am very short on time, and I am trying to find the exercises with the most bang for your buck, and I do stick to compound, but I'm kind of wondering like, if there's a day where I can only do two exercises and I'm trying to hit the whole body, you know, if maybe there's something to do along with the deadlift. Oh, okay. Well, that's, I feel like that's a better way. So with the deadlift, I like an overhead press or a bench press with the deadlift, personally. Yeah, yeah. Yes. Okay. Yes. Awesome. Thank you so much. You got it. Thanks for calling in. Thanks for listening to every single episode, by the way. That's great. Yeah, we have extra love for you guys who have done that. Thank you. Thank you. That's it. I'm glad you asked that. Yeah, because I never heard that question before, and I thought about it. I'm like, ooh, the whole... Well, it's a very logical thing to ask, because we talk about that the deadlift, you know, takes care of the entire posterior chain, right? Ooh, medicine ball slams. I never think of this, right? So now all these exercises are coming to me. I know a rack on my brain, because I was thinking hollow body position. But you know what, though? What's more important? Short arrays. Because even like a ball slams, okay? Yeah, your airplane, right? Both those incorporate basically everything, right? But you're not going to get as much bang for your buck. Now that you asked her why she was asking. We had the best answer. Yeah, that's the best. Like that was the answer, is that like, oh, you are short on time. I mean, I don't want to like spoil anything, but we have stuff in the works that's coming for, I think that addresses exactly that. Like we are limited on... So you do. Yeah, what's the most minimalist thing that you could do to get the biggest bang for your buck, I think is that's a really good question. You're free to tune. Yeah. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com. Check out all of our free stuff. We got tons of free stuff that can help you achieve almost any health or fitness goal. You can also find us on social media, Justin on Instagram at Mind Pump. Justin, Adam on Instagram at Mind Pump Adam, and you can find me on Twitter at Mind Pump Sal. This one's really important, and that is to phase your training. If somebody trains for a full year doing a bench press, and they're always aiming for five reps, if you compared that person to a person who did a bench press where they did three or four weeks of five reps, but then they did three or four weeks of 12 reps and then three or four weeks of, let's say, 15 to 20 reps, and then they'll throw in some supersets. At the end of that year, you're going to see more consistent progress from the person who's moving in and out. And less injury. That's another thing. You'll see less injury as well.