 Hi everyone, right. So welcome to the hub session we would like to start off this morning. Now we'll have some chunky share back in within our conversation today. There are many amongst us who are already beginning to develop their hubs ideas and go into conversations and already engaging and consulting with different communities about how best to set up. These collaboration or coordination structures within the community. There are those who have done that research. There's some of us here who are still ideating like what we want to do. But to get us started. We have a lot of different hubs conversations over the next couple of hours, but within the general framework or within the general conversation around hubs would like to have these bigger sharebacks as we discuss. And hear from each other so that what we're sharing with each other is tangible and relevant to the conversation broadly. So would like to just start off. I mean, we say hubs within the movement. And when we say hubs, sometimes I get the feeling we all mean different things. When you say hubs to to a startup, a tech startup, if you say hubs, something comes to mind. They probably envision a certain thing. If you say hubs to someone who's working on climate change, something might come to mind about what that might actually mean. So we just like to start off just really broadly step away a little bit if you can from the Wikimedia movement and what hubs mean for us. And just generally I'd like to hear just go around the room and hear for you for you personally. When you hear the word hub. What does it mean? What does a hub mean for you? Maybe when we have some kind of shared understanding, then we can dive into bigger chunkier pieces of what it means for our movement and what we're learning from our different communities. Hi. Hello again, everyone. By the way, sorry, I didn't introduce myself. I'm Yope Ruan Pam. I'm with the foundation. I'm on the community resources team. And co facilitating on, I'm co facilitating this conversation with my colleague Natalia here. Okay, so we have the other microphone. I'll pass this one round. We'll just go round. And if you can say in one sentence, if that's possible. If you can say in one sentence, what does a hub mean for you? Hub is where all nodes are linked. Where nodes are linked. Okay. For me hub, it's where we can collaborate and share our knowledge between ourselves. Collaboration. Linkages. Okay. Diversity. Diversity. One word. Nice. Thank you for me. I'll begin with saying why I didn't hear people saying how they are. And I would want to know people. I'm Derek from Randa. So to me, I think a hub is more of a platform where people share ideas. Yeah, so it's more of a platform. Thank you. Hello, I'm Harriet from Ghana. For me, a hub will be a one stop shop for everything, be it collaboration, support, communication. Yeah. But I know it's just one stop shop where you can get everything that you would want to. That's like the SunTek Plaza, isn't it? Any other thoughts? I'll start picking people, if that's okay. I'm going to put you on the spot. I want to know what does a hub mean for you? I'd like to know who we're having conversations with. Okay. I will go with you. Yes. What does a hub mean for you? For me, a hub is a place that all the communities have a relationship with the other and controlled by a group that knows everything about those communities. Relationships. A relationship spot. Okay. Is that when you say relationships, are you thinking long term relationships or short term relationships? It depends. Please tell us more. Sorry. If you don't mind, I'd like to hear a little more. But when we say hubs, what are we thinking long term relationships? What does that mean? Long term relationships actually. Maybe some projects might be a short term project. Okay. So you're thinking of the relationships project-wise? Project-wise, yes. They are short term, but a strategy, a movement that would be a long term. Relationship. Okay. Oh, we didn't meet you. You didn't tell us your name. By the way. I'm Toru from Azerbaijan Wikipedia. Okay. No, I'm from Michael from Georgia. Hub for me, it's people around same goals, same ideas. People coming together who have the same goals and the same ideas. Yes. So if I don't agree with you, I can't be in a hub with you. Recording in progress. Would that be accurate or inaccurate? Just curious. At least one same goal. Yes. Okay. For example, like CE hub, we have mainly like similar goals. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Oh, we didn't meet you. Oh, sorry. We did. My name is Michael from Kenya. And I think it's convergence. When I look at hub is convergence where the interest ideas come together. So as one word, maybe I'll use convergence. Okay. So a convergence of thoughts and ideas. Okay. Yes. Okay. Thank you. So my name is Anthony from Tanzania. And I think a hub is a structure. Where more than one wiki communities can rely on to work on similar vision and vision in a broader way. That's my definition. Okay. A structure with similar mission and vision and delivering that in a structured. Yes. Like working together in a structured manner. Yes. Why we're not structured. Can we still be a hub? I don't think so. Why not? Because structured means people should be aligning themselves with a common goal. If we are two or three different people working on separate topics and interests. The thing I think not gonna work. Okay. If if I set up a lunch table. I'm using this as an example if I set up a lunch table. And I know that at some point everyone's going to come at this lunch tape to this lunch table. And I say the lunch table is open every day between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m. And people come in and go every single day. Would you call it a lunch hub? It's not structured. The only thing there is the space. But it's. And you come come in uncoordinated. It doesn't matter who comes. You come and eat. You can have whatever. So. Okay. And then you can come and order what you want. There's a chef there and he'll cook whatever you want. Okay. And there's no coordination. There's no plan. So I think yes. It's it should be a lunch table because everyone. Would it be a hub? Would it be called a lunch hub? It's a lunch hub. Yes. But the point is what are they eating? Is everyone eating the same food? If it's just a lunch table, it's fine. But if we say it's a. Lunch table, but to be more specific with the type of food that people eat. Then it shouldn't be for everyone. Okay. So if it was serving only burgers at a certain time of the day. And but to everybody, then we can call it a burger hub. That's for my human. Hematic hub. Yeah. Or love, for example, we have a language shop and it's around sound like language family. So it's mean hub. So burger hub, it's works. Okay. Yes. Thank you. I'm voice check from the C hub. And there are a lot of things I search for in hubs. So like a lot of these definitions that you guys have given hold true to a larger or lesser degree for me personally, but they hold true. What I look for in a hub is something I call the synergy effect, which means that one plus one equals three. That's individual hub members together. They create something different than the sum of the elements. So a hub is stronger than the collection of individuals or call them institutions. I think we want to hear more about that. What does that mean? Like break it down in English. I'm not speaking English. You're using technical terms. So for those of us who are non technical. Yeah. So I tried to elaborate. I tried to explain what synergy is by saying one plus one means three. Right. So if Wikimedia. Okay. Give me give me give me a fictional land. If Wikimedia land of Oz. Once to. Once to do a project and Wikimedia, Catalonia islands wants to do a project. They might not be successful, but if they happen to be in the same area, if they create a hub, if they invite Wikimedia Mordor to it and Wikimedia Scottish lowlands and Wikimedia. The Mariana straight. Together as a hub. They might have a stronger voice. They might convince like large institutions of culture. That it's worth doing a project because this won't be just a project for. Wikimedia land of Oz and separate project for Wikimedia Mordor. It will be a project that will cover a much larger area. And that's what I call the synergy effect. That's what I call one plus one equals three. Okay. Nicely broken down nicely broken down. Who else wants to add to that? Any other thoughts? Okay. Thank you. I'm Fernando from Argentina. I was a little bit late. So I'm not sure. I'm going to answer the right question. But I would add to what you were sharing that I have detected that different roles interact differently into the Wikimedia community stuff. People involved in chapters and doing politics into the movement. And volunteers like me. We we I'm running a group of scientists trying to improve contents of Wikipedia and other projects from the science science. So I would feel that I would make have including scientists that are not involved in usual political structures currently and not stuff. And we would nicely interact with those actors and actresses. I have detected different interests and have detected some conflicts in the way we interact. That's why I would add that. I'm not sure if that justifies the hub but maybe academia people volunteers improving project maybe something that might join. So integrating some more specialty would help us. The question we're asking each other is what does a hub mean for you? As an individual whether within the movement outside of the movement but we just want to see where we are on on hubs and our people with similar interests. Concerning concerning improving Wikimedia approach similar interest similar ways to reach them. Okay people with similar interests. We're getting into a shared thinking there's synergy similar similar interests shared vision diversity. And it's interesting how do you bring diversity into a shared vision. Because sometimes when we think of diversity we think of different groups. And when we think of shared ideas we think of homogeneous groups. How do you create that within a hub structure. Which is kind of the question we're we try to answer when we're talking about hubs within our movement bring that diversity. But within with let that diversity like he says that synergy. Let that diversity then create that structure that stronger that's louder than the institution and enables things to happen. Hi everyone. My name is Winnie. I've been involved with the hub as specifically the East African regional and thematic hub app. So for me I look at a hub as when I when I think of hubs I think of devolution like having a devolved unit. That brings people together to help decentralize certain things. Especially around representation shared goals. Yeah so I have for me is more of I think of devolution like for instance in my country where I come from Kenya. We are just one country. But in 2010 they introduced the devolution which meant that we have 47 devolved units and each of those has its own like a county government and all. And the whole idea around that was to ensure equitable access to resources and representation. So that's that's that's to me what I have does in the scope of this movement. Thank you. Hi I'm Johnny. I'm from easy up. All right. I'd like to like and hubs to like. Let's think superheroes. Okay. Batman fights villains in Gotham City. Superman fights villains in metropolis. Wonder Woman fights villains from Europe. But when they get together it becomes the Justice League. And and and the issues that they handle are universal. And so I believe hubs can handle larger issues. It's kind of like a waste of time if the hub would go into a very micro because the affiliate is already handling that the community is already handling that. But the hub itself as a as a collaborative effort. It would be able to handle larger looming issues and create a very positive effects for everybody as a whole. Energy as what he mentioned is this important. That's my opinion. I like the lunch table example. I will think of hub like a sweet table at Wikimedia. Yes, people drop by the common thing is not a common goal just like they all it doesn't eat sweets. Common need, maybe. And everybody brings something of their own. This is where the diversity comes in. We have a comment from the chat. Jaleeko who is from the C community writes for me hubs are support entities in the local automatic context where WMF cannot serve as well due to their global and generalized work also lack of flexibility as U.S. based. And Joe. Yes. So Capucin Maradu from Wikimedia Europe and Wikimedia France. I agree to all the comparison we made. Of course we are superheroes. My point is let's not forget the global strategy and heroes are hubs are here for synergies of course. But they are also here to manage assets and by assets I mean mostly money and knowledge about how to do things. And also the communities because hubs will see which communities are not covered by micro project by micro organization. So there is a global view is the money and the local knowledge. And we need to define how they will be able to do that because we want a more decentralized movement. And then I come to Johnny. Okay. My name is Shola from Nigeria. Well, I actually agree with what everyone have said about their definition and description of hope. But long before the Wikimedia Foundation started the movement strategy in Nigeria, we felt like starting to how to initiate an idea about hubs. We never knew that Wikimedia Foundation is actually going to come to the stage looking for how we can start a hub. Our definition about hub then is how we can devolve power, how power can actually be taken from the central and be spread among different units. And in so doing, we're trying to look at how we can set up smaller batches of people so that even when the central can't reach some remote places, they could be reached. So we see a hub as a means of getting what cannot be reached, what cannot be gotten in the central in remote places, getting people to have it. Thank you.