 Hey everybody, welcome back to Linuxcast. I'm your host Matt. I'm joined by Tyler. How are you doing Tyler? Doing good doing good. So this is the Linuxcast we talked about Linux I don't know if that was an obvious choice or not, but we probably should have put something else in the title Anyway, so we were off last week because somebody and I won't say who switched to Gentoo The question is are you still on Gentoo? How long did Gentoo last? Gentoo lasted for I think a day and a half. I'm pretty sure it was day and a half. I Actually stuck with it for longer than I have ever stuck with Gentoo before Well, you've made it farther than I have I've never successfully installed it So I Don't know if I will I so I have a patreon goal like you know how you can set goals and patron patron Say when you get to this level I'm out of money. You'll do this thing I have a goal for $350 a month To install Gentoo. I said it as high as I thought I could with getting away with it Because I don't know if I ever want to do it or not But I was like be careful man There will be people who donate just solely to see you suffer. Yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen But I guess I'll take their money It'll be an all-night stream because I'll have to start at midnight because the last time I tried to install Gentoo Whatever reason it ate my entire house bandwidth. My entire family was out in the living room Just yelling to the internet was so slow because I was apparently downloading Gigabytes and gigabytes of something. I don't even know something was obviously not wrong. It was weird. Anyways, so Tyler What have you done this week in Linux? well Actually, I haven't really been doing that much in Linux this week Other than leaving Linux, I am now a Linux trader. I am an open BSD user and Loving it If if there is absolutely any questions you have about my experience with open BSD, please ask away It's been it's been fantastic How are you going to develop your game on open BSD? That's a good question. I don't know to be completely honest I have a feeling that instead of using something like Godot. It's gonna require me actually using like a completely like more Instead of using an actual Game engine in the typical way that people think about game engines. I'll probably have to use like a game library Something like a C library or a C sharp library something like that to essentially do a lot of the stuff that I want to do It's good. Does Python work on open BSD? As far as I know it does I don't I'm There's a lot of like pi game and pie charm and stuff like that I I don't know anything about Python, but I know there's gaming stuff for Python So that could be an option for you Yeah, I I don't know I mean I do know Python, but I mean if I have a preference To be honest, I am now more inclined to Take on the challenge of learning developing a game and just see That sounds really interesting to me. I'm it's a huge undertaking, but I Don't know. I feel like it'll be worth worth the time But just in case if anyone's watching this and they're like hey I would like to know how what what stuff it doesn't work in in open BSD. That's a good question This right here doesn't work in open BSD for some ungodly reason this thing right here Just shits the bed all the time for the audio listeners. He's holding up his is Blue Yeti microphone. Yeah It's very weird like the way audio devices video devices work and how you interact with them on open BSD is very simple very straightforward However, this device here I can earth the blue Yeti again for those who are listening it works sort of if I'm So essentially the way open BSD works is the internal sound card on my laptop here goes to the default device as it should make sense however, while it's the Default device I cannot specify with all cats which is what she used for recording on open BSD or any other Program I can't specify it to use the way open BSD works is like there's S&D slash zero That's your default device and then other devices USB devices whatever go on top of that So this device plugged in should be S&D slash one, but yeah, it don't work There's a command that you can run to make the USB devices Essentially go into the default device like become the default device and then when they're unplugged the internal comes back to the default If I do that I can record with this thing the only minor issue is I can only record for about 45 seconds It's gonna have the I'm just gonna say this right now You wouldn't have these problems on Linux, but then that's not true because you have plenty of problems on Linux, too I was about to say I mean I had multitude of problems with pulse Multitudes of problems the the one thing that I will say Even though my mic here is finicky There's a real easy workaround But the main thing is is I was Stunned when I booted into open BSD and Literally, I installed Firefox opened it launched a video. There was no screen tearing I did not have Pycom running no screen tearing and the audio just magically started playing at a decent audio volume What the hell man? How can Linux not get that right? I find it utterly hilarious that as you were talking about the merits and Awesomeness open BSD you looked like a Japanese movie because your lips are moving and your audio was about five seconds to late It was hilarious it caught up eventually, but Yeah, not necessarily the best advertisement for open BSD right there Yeah, I I'm like 99% sure I have to do some extra setup for my other webcam to work the internal one here I have no idea, but I can get way better I mean it's still it's a shitty with laptop laptop webcam like let's not kid ourselves But I can't get much better quality out of it Specifying different options using something like ffmpeg or something like that I can get better audio or video quality out of it But I mean obviously discord is not gonna not not gonna give me any settings for that I mean come on now. It's just gonna default whatever crappy setting open BSD defaults it to So yeah, but It works Well, I'm happy credit there. Do you so what do you think the chances are of you being on open BSD a week from now? It's Probably very very likely. I I don't see myself switching for a quite a while. I really like it Okay, I'm gonna put a bet on it that you won't be on there I'm not gonna put any money towards it. That'd be silly But the reason why is mostly to have to do it because I know you like the game and you said there were some games on open BSD But you have an entire steam library that's just gonna be sitting over there Collecting dust and you've paid all this money for these lovely steam games over the last how many ever years and you can't play any of those You're gonna you're not Technically wrong However, I will go ahead and say that it You can definitely run into problems. There is a little bit of minor setup but I will say I'm gonna be doing either a video or a live stream doing it, but you can use live game streaming on Open BSD to essentially use g-force now Xbox live stuff like that. Yeah, I suppose that could work because g-force now would tie into your entire Steam library. So that would actually work Now again, I will totally agree with you It's still don't have access to my steam like in all truest senses. That'd be so much I've looked at open BSD, but I don't think I could ever switch to it for daily driver There's just so much stuff there that I like I use OBS and I rely on a lot of the features of OBS in order to actually work I can't just record Yeah Just the screen or whatever I had to have all this other stuff to go on with so I'd miss OBS I would probably miss things like a native discord client because there's not one And I'd probably miss things like to-do list and Zim and all the applications that I use every day So I think Linux has my heart and will probably remain with it all right, so After I just sat there and proclaimed my love for Linux So we hadn't we didn't do a pod last week So I didn't get a chance to talk about my experiences with Microsoft Edge. So I switched I I have so I got fed up with Firefox because there are several websites on Firefox They just won't render and that's just because it's so unpopular The web developers don't go through and test their websites in Firefox. They have no reason to there's like 12 people use Firefox You know being real you're right there, you know what I mean? I like it like there's so few of us that use Firefox so they have no reason to test I mean most of them do but there There are a few websites that just wouldn't render so I got sick of it and There are several other things too like it was taking a ton of memory and it was also going through and It was just slow sometimes. So I was like Screw this I'm gonna I'm gonna hop something different and I was listening to the Ubuntu podcast and Alan Pope was talking about How he uses Microsoft Edge is his main browser and he was talking about how they have vertical tabs How they have this feature where if you don't use a tab for a while It actually goes to sleep and takes everything that tab would normally do out of memory Like it just doesn't use memory at all. It just goes completely to sleep and like, you know, I May have 64 gigabytes of memory but I like that feature because then I can use it on my laptop and stuff that would door I don't have 64 gigabytes of memory and oh, man first of all vertical tabs and in Microsoft Edge Fantastic, I mean just so good. I Like I understand. I mean, there's gonna be somebody saying well, you can get vertical tabs as an extension in Firefox Other trash. I mean, there's just complete and utter garbage. I mean every single one. There's like five Extensions that do this. They're all bad There's only like one that you can actually customize to be usable. The rest of them are just I mean other trash And especially compared to the vertical tabs in Edge. I mean, they're just they were so good and then the sleeping functionality was really good and The smooth I mean everybody touts the smooth scrolling in Firefox Edge does it a hundred times better I mean, it's just like Smooth as butter. I mean no screen tearing I know anything like that But it's also even with smooth scrolling on in Firefox It still feels like you're going down lines like you you use your wheel and it goes down like three lines Like it's not smooth It's smoother than if you don't have smooth scrolling on where that song feels like you're pitting the page down button half the time But an edge Smooth scrolling is fantastic. So I switched to edge. I was there for like a week and a half It was and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I guess, you know It was really good. I had that guilt in the back of my mind that I wasn't supporting fuss, you know, you know software But I was enjoying my time and then yesterday The update came through and it completely deleted my profile Like it signed me out of everything deleted all my favorites everything So I had to go through and set it all up again I was like is it gonna do this every time I do a fucking update and apparently it does so I Switch back to Firefox like that that I I don't care how great the vertical tabs are I don't care about any of the other stuff that I just mentioned if you if I have to go through especially in a beta product Product or project that's going to get updated. Oh, you know, like every few days I'm not gonna go through and reset it up every few days. It's not worth it So yeah, I'm back on Firefox The thing is hi, I made a video about switching to edge and Christ people hated that video I mean, I I That was the first video I have that has a net loss and subscriber You know, if you go into YouTube analytics or whatever and it'll tell you on that video like how many subscribers that video got you That one had a negative and I lost like 15 or 20 subscribers Because people has hated that I switched to Microsoft Edge I wonder if they would have hated it if as Equally if I'd switched to Vivaldi because Vivaldi is just as proprietary as edges The only difference is one's backed by a huge multinational corporation So yeah, I made that video and it did really well I mean way better than I thought it would because I mean first of all, who gives a shit what browser I use I mean, I mean, I was really thinking you were about to say who who the fuck is a shit about Edge. I I mean, it's not as if like I'm mr. Beast or something like I'm this big old YouTube influencer or whatever I have four thousand subscribers, you know And I'm eternally grateful for everybody who does subscribe, but I'm still consider myself a very very small YouTuber so the fact that there are apparently people out there that care so much about what browser that I use that they would actually Actively unsubscribe from the channel be just because of that fact. I mean There are nine thousand other reasons not to subscribe to this channel or to unsubscribe to this channel And that's the one you chose. It's so weird. That's the hill. You're gonna die It's a browser, okay and if Microsoft if there's a there's a there's a gremlin at Microsoft stealing my data Because I use Microsoft Edge for a week and a half have at it. Okay, if you you know This I think that's the primary difference between me and like a whole bunch of open source guys is that I don't I'm not in this because of the privacy aspect of it Google. I use Google Docs. I have I use Gmail Google knows Everything about me. I mean, they know what color your underwear is man Well, I'm sure they do because I bought it on a website that sent the receipt to Gmail and they scan all that shit So I'm sure they do they also know where I live. They know they know what kind of car. I drive They know everything about me. So my really know all of your interests, too Right, so I have you pegged my question is if Google already knows all this shit about me Why should I care that Microsoft knows it too? Um Especially when I trust okay, hold on This is a tangent here. This is tangent here. Were you about to say I trust Microsoft? You didn't let me forget that you didn't let me for it finish. I trust Microsoft more than I trust Google doesn't say much But I trust him a little more. I do actually just just a smidgen warm It's not like well Microsoft this is Fantastically trustworthy company. That's not true at all like I don't trust Microsoft at all But let's say my trust in Microsoft is zero My trust in Google's like negative hundred thousand million, you know, so You know, so Anyways, it doesn't matter like privacy was never an aspect of my browser choice because when I think about choosing a browser I want one that works, you know When you go over a liable browser, I understand When you go on when you go out buy a new car your first aspect of what car you're gonna buy is not what color it is or What brand it is? It's doesn't drive, you know, doesn't have a steering wheel and tires that will actually get you down the road That's the number one thing that after that you can deal with all the superfluous bullshit So yeah, but it doesn't matter. I'm back on Firefox. Everybody can rest easy those hopefully those 20 subscribers at left Can now come back to the to the fold It's just but you know, you know, like those 20 people I mean, I mean if you think about it out of 4000, of course There's gonna be at least 20 people who will like literally never talk to you Never see anything that you hear anything that you have to say again Just because you tried edge. Oh, I've been blocked there has to be those people they're literally probably put like a Some kind of filter on their YouTube search engine or whatever. I The utter hypocrisy when they're all on YouTube like like Y'all using proprietary software on YouTube, man Like I can understand if I lost it if that if I was just on Odyssey and People got upset because I was using proprietary software Those people have a leg to stand on because you know what it's what Odyssey's all about Y'all on YouTube man Like they know all of your information and it's a good chance that most of y'all are Logged in like y'all have Google accounts vast majority of you at least maybe some of you're using new pipe, I suppose but Subscribers So it's just so it's it's weird. All right, all right, so There was something else that I was going to talk about but I don't remember what it was I'm sure I'll think about it later some something else that I was gonna rant about But like I said, I'll have to think about it. Anyways, so Oh, I was gonna talk about sway So I've been trying for like two and a half weeks now to use sway wind a manager to make a video And I've been very stubborn about it because I could just install it in a virtual machine and make a video that way But I wanted to do it on hardware But for the life of me, I can't get OBS to work in Wayland like it says in the latest release that OBS is now Wayland ready That window capture now works It don't work at least not for me and I don't know I didn't People keep keep going on about how Wayland is all ready and stuff like it's ready for primetime like no didn't know it in no No, no, it's not there yet It's getting closer. I think it's closer now than it ever has been before but that's it's been in development since what? 2012 2014, I think that's not really saying all that much So I do have a quick question though because you said you were trying to record using OBS on Wayland When you try and do a screen grab like for the entire screen, how do you just get a black image? Yeah Okay, that's what I was getting to it's weird I like you'll get that issue on Wayland But then for some ungodly reason you install fedora and install OBS there and it will work like you know That's got its own issues, but yeah, it's it's about a 90% chance that it's some kind of dependency You know thing that it needs because you know because I installed OBS in Probably DWM is probably where I installed it from so it's installing it for an XOR system And maybe there's a special package in arch that you have to download or something I don't know it's possible that I could uninstall OBS from there and I can stall it as a snap or something and it might work because or flat pack because I'm sure Fedora is probably using flat pack version. Yeah, I'm assuming So that's probably the issue They probably have some plug-in or something that you know is required in order to make it work and in which case it's still broken Yeah, you know that's my because for the vast majority of people They're gonna have the X work version installed and whatever so there's another thing for me to run up We haven't even got to the contact information. There's something else. I want to run it for a minute When you use a snap package on a system that doesn't come with snap out of the box The most annoying thing and like some I really should save this for next week's topic But I want to talk about this now when you install a snap package It puts a folder in your home directory called snap and it drives me absolutely funk markers And so every time I have to do the five top five apps of the month list There's always one of them that I have to install the snap and I almost immediately after I'm done with I have to go Delete that snap Folder, but I realized there's something else that does that too. So if you install an application that is coded in go Go does the exact same thing like I'm looking at my File manager right now and they put a folder in your home directory not a hidden folder But an actual folder like a whole directory called go and it's just there like No, don't no no don't do that to me. I hate that. I I I see that as like literally the most egregious offense as a program like if if you're gonna be made for Linux any Unix-based system Do not just create folders in the home directory like like Let's be honest. Let's let's put it in human terms It that's literally someone coming over and setting down like not not just a small item like a pay like a paperweight It's like someone coming in moving in a ton of their shit sending it inside of your house and they mean like peace gone like It's somebody came over and put a file cabinet in your house You know, that's exactly what they did. Yeah, it's just so stupid. It drives me The thing is it doesn't happen on every distro. So like Ubuntu for some reason The home of snaps the foundation of snaps doesn't do this. They don't have a snap folder in their own directory Their snap folder is hidden why this happens on Arch where snaps has to be installed is the stupidest thing ever and it I Think outside of the whole proprietary nature of snaps This one thing is what pisses me off the most about snaps and it's such a stupid thing It's like it's in my head, but my I'm my home directory outside of the hidden files are a mess I mean, I've tried to get rid of some of the hidden files, but Half the time stupid developers can't realize that we have a config file for a reason, you know Put the dot files in the config file It doesn't make any sense But and half of those you can't change they're hard-coded to be in the home directory, but The non-hidden folders in directories in my home home directory are pristine I have the desktop folder and I have a media folder. That's it Oh, and I also have the virtual machine folder or directory Those are the three top-level directories that I have in my home directory. That's it everything else is in sub directories And that's the way I want it because I want messy clean. It's very Anal-retentive. I guess is what she would say but the fact that you don't have like xdg User derse like you don't have any of the downloads folder any of that I do but I've changed them because you can change those in a folder in your configuration folder file To change them to wherever you want. So I've moved those all into my media folder So that they're again, they're in sub directories and it just works. You know, it's fine I don't know why I care, but it's still just the stupidest thing So we're now 26 minutes in And it's my fault because I got into a ranty mood I was like I'm very much of an aranty mood So I am always down for rents always I've made Saturdays the day where I'll go through and do a video. It's completely controversial, but I I Didn't do it this last last Saturday. I did died an i3 video. So I still had my rant video to do and I did it on I Think I did on Tuesday. I did a rehash of the Linux Mint one. So that was fun Surprisingly enough that one has a positive like to dislike ratio, which is way better than the original video. So Yeah, yeah, that's all I care about give me the likes, bro. Give me the likes Like an Instagram star, you know All right Anyways, you can if you want to follow us or contact us in any way you can do so in any number of ways You can follow us on Twitter at the Linuxcast you can subscribe to all of our audio feeds and stuff like that at the linuxcast.org which I Have been promising a website and I Have started the website like I've started I have the file and I have things in the file like the dot html file It's there So there's been progress. Holy shit. I'm having a heart attack if you want to get in contact with us via email You can do so email at the Linuxcast.org you can support us on patreon at patreon.com Slash linuxcast you can get you can follow Tyler on Odyssey or YouTube You've been spending most of your time on YouTube now though, right? So follow him on YouTube if you're on Odyssey he is over there all this stuff is synced But most of his stuff ends up on YouTube those links will be in the video description and the podcast description below You can subscribe. I was doing so well until that last part You can subscribe to us on YouTube at youtube.com slash linuxcast Okay, so that's the contact information so every week We choose one news link item thing a big each and this week is no difference. So Tyler Why don't you tell us what's your news of the week is? Mine was from it's from slash dot and Apparently, I thought this would be a good little conversation piece here. It is a bit of news Amazon is a is apparently planning to monitor the keyboard strokes and mouse movements of customer service employees In an attempt to stop rogue work rogue workers imposters or hackers from accessing customers data Okay, this is not really that big of Of news because I mean it like really if we're being honest if you work for a major corporation You should just assume that you're getting Spied on at all times. I mean it it's reasonable to assume if you work for a major global corporation You're probably being spied on let's just be real Um, I think the the interesting part here is Do you honestly think that them essentially having a keyboard logger on all of their devices? for their Employees is that actually going to stop someone from hacking amazon? Or being like, I don't even know what what the hell is a rogue worker. What does that even mean? Well, I think like maybe selling company secrets to somebody else. I I don't think that they're trying to Prevent hackers from the outside to get in I'm thinking they're more thinking of information from inside the company going out, but I I wouldn't be surprised first of all I was surprised that slash dot is still a thing second of all Like I had no clue it was even still around like this thing's from the 90s. Anyways, uh um I don't think it's much of a would be much of a surprise like you said if every company doesn't actually do something like this um So I but I mean I that and the vast majority of their I mean A company that Will that logs and monitors the number of time and length of time you're in the bathroom Uh, are you surprised they're doing something like this? I mean, I'm surprised. They don't ask you what you did in the bathroom While you were there. I mean so, uh, this doesn't surprise me I mean if we're being honest It's the only reason amazon employees are now getting bathroom breaks is because they got so much backlash for so many drivers wearing diapers to work right and and As you say, let's be honest about it. They can tell what you did in the bathroom by the length of time you were in there So If you were in there for a minute, you net went number one. You went in there for longer than that. You went number two So so and if you were in there for half an hour, you were wanking so That's that so I mean they know how they know precisely what you did in the bathroom. Uh, so the fact that they're logging This podcast has gone off the rails I haven't feeling people will like it though. It's a good off the rails. Like are are we surprised? No, we're not surprised. No The the only thing though is I like my my question you would be Do you think this will because I mean like I I guess when I when I hear wrote workers imposters or hackers Like I I'm assuming like exactly what you're saying like someone in the company trying to Take data and use it maliciously But like if you think about it for a second like again most crimes like like this unless it's some Mr. Hacker man type BS It this is going to be someone like the type of employee that they're trying to stop right here as someone who like let's say Me and you had a disagreement and I really disliked you And but I worked at amazon and you ordered a package. I saw your name I saw your address and everything like if we're being honest if I for whatever reason disliked you enough I I don't need to copy the address to remember like if I'm going to do something malicious to you Having a keyboard logger and a mouse Like logger. I don't think that's going to do anything because as soon as I see that information If I want to do something bad with it I'm I probably The incentive I guess Would probably outweigh the oh, I just forgot that Important piece of information that I was going to do something nefarious with you know I think it's probably more for like industrial espionage kind of stuff for Amazon's developing things for the the next echo thing and they're Somebody decided they're going to sell that information to google or something. I don't know But that kind of information Basically what I think this is is that they're Their level of spying spying probably on their on their level of spying on their employees Has probably gotten a little bit closer to the user than what it used to be before because I'm 100% positive they probably have Like package sniffers and stuff like that installed for their Their networks and stuff that monitor the input and coming out coming for the the network traffic So they probably know if somebody sends something out over the network But this would this would allow them to monitor not that I'm defending them, but this would allow them to monitor things That people like would save to a usb port or something Or a usb key or print out or whatever So I don't know Still doesn't surprise me at all, but also wouldn't surprise me that every major tech company does this Yeah, same So now what about your article? all right, so This was actually last week, but I think we can still talk about it a little bit and So elementary 06 odin was fish release and over on your channel you try this out Uh, and you challenge several others to try it out as well And uh, I know turnip for life did I know peter did I think his name is peter, right? It's a name peter. Yep. Um peter. He did he changed his name or did he delete his channel? He deleted his channel dude. There has been so many people being like come back come back He deleted his channel because he didn't really think that he had that much to offer Um, well that makes me really sad because I don't have that much to offer him. Look at my ass, you know You know I mean, I think that's how we all look at ourselves. We all don't really look at ourselves like we've got a ton of it Like I don't I don't start making a video and think like oh, I'm going to explain something That's going to change somebody's life. Like they need to know this so Screw elementary list. Let's talk about this for a second. The wave linux youtubeing works is Dt does a video. Okay, and then brody robertson steals the topic. Okay, and then Or luke smelt smith steals the topic or really really it could be any order of this like luke Do a video and then somebody else steals the topic somebody does a video It's then is stolen and filters down to every single level of false tubers. So that's exactly how it works And if you don't think that that's the way it works You haven't been paying attention because we all steal each other's content So the fact that he thought he had nothing to offer is just silly because None of us have anything to offer Um Yeah, we're just stealing topics amongst each other that we share shit. That's it's open. It's open source ideas Man, that's the way it works. I mean if we're all being honest, we're not really Informing people as much as we are giving our opinions on stuff. That's the main thing. Exactly. Which I mean, none of us are actually directly copying like i'm not Downloading dts videos using youtube dl and reposting them on myself I think if I did that people would be able to tell the difference between what I look like and what dt looks like First of all, I got hair. Okay. I'm just I mean, there's a difference. Okay. He also he's much more tidily groomed than I ever will be so I think it would be a really funny Thing and I highly doubt we'd do this But like it if a few of us like I don't know if you've heard the term going around Again, since we've completely gone off on the tangent here I don't know if you've heard it, but there are quite a few people referring to me you a terminal for life And I there was one more person. I can't remember Dang it. I'm sorry. Whoever you are. I'm sorry. I'm forgetting your username. Anyway, um, all of us together Are like the crew they keep calling us the linux crew. I keep hearing that If if all of us did together like simultaneously like we down We all downloaded like one dt video and we perfectly Emulated it ourselves like we talked the same way paste like you watched the video and just reset everything that he did His mannerisms If we all uploaded I I feel like people would be really tripped out by that Like what's going on in the linux space, man So funny story is I did a video probably about six months ago about left window manager And at that point I was going through recycling colors for the thumbnails and on that particular day My color scheme was purple and white And it looked exactly like a dt thumbnail Except for I obviously didn't have dt on I was like I had like 10 comments people commenting on Hey, these colors look awful fully familiar like, okay. All right Man we We've gotten so far off the the the path of All right. Okay. First of all 40 minutes in 40 minutes in haven't made it to the main topic yet Uh, and I do have to stop by quarter after four. So, uh At least close thereafter. So we only got about 20 minutes left. So Elementor 6 it came out. It's terrible Uh, you shouldn't use it. I think that's no debate there Um, well, okay. So it's basically element 3 os 5 With a dark mode, which looks awesome. I mean looks so good. They did a really good job. I'm a I'm assuming that's what took them so long is that they were stealing that I mean the problem is is it looks like the add a way to dark theme It looks exactly like that or however the hell you say that name, right? It looks exactly like that So it's not as if they did something custom. It's Exactly. I mean it looks exactly like data with Hold on. I will go off here for a second. They f-ing added a dark theme That that I mean, can you tell is there one other? Is there anything else in elementary os other than a dark theme? they changed their app center from Hosting it their own repositories and using some of the ubuntu repositories To using entirely flat packs. So if you go into the app center and search for things that Don't have flat pack versions. You can't find them. So if you want to install firefox Not there you want to install obs not there you want to install all these programs that you probably want to install Not there you can you can install them from the terminal just easily you can also add flat hub to The app center somehow and you can get then get the wider range of flat hub things where firefox And obs are still there but by default that stuff's not Not possible. So basically what they did is they added a dark theme and made their app center, which was really good I mean their app center was really good in in five. They made it 100 times worse It's just it was I mean, I understand the argument behind wanting sandbox packages like flat pack and snaps I can understand it like theoretically I get my mind around I understand the security aspects of having something like that Thing, but you've made your distribution worse For the end user, okay Because if we're being honest elementary os is targeting a market of not necessarily I don't think there's many people who have been using linux for like 20 years and Choose elementary os right Yeah, their focus is on new users and that makes this even more egregious because those people aren't going to know first of all When I asked about this I asked my community about this. I didn't ask the developers when I asked about this in the community tab Uh, I got responses like well, you know, you can add flat hub to the to the app store. You can add you can Okay, I understand that I know how to do that. You know how to do that the people in my comment sections know how to do that Joshmo who's just turning to linux and have chosen elementary os is their beginning distro They don't know how to do that. They don't even know that that's an option Um, maybe let's be real. It is asinine for anyone To assume that a new user knows to go to flat hub install a package there Then it's then magically a whole bunch of software is going to appear in the that is asinine yeah, because it's That that level of discovery For for that feature is so buried By the fact that people need to know how what flat hub is they need to know how to get to flat hub They need to how to install a flat pack using I mean, it's just clicking on a button But still they know you need to know how to do all those things and the level the barrier of entry of even knowing what flat hub is is I mean We could do what we could pull who was it with a j leno that used to go out on the streets in New York City and hold up a microphone asking people stupid questions This could be one of those questions. Do you know what flat hub is 99 of people have no clue it is My grandmother uses linux Dude and she gets along just fine with it. If I tried to explain flat packs to her. I'm pretty sure I would melt her brain like My dad uses a boon to I finally got my dad on a boon to and he freaks out every time he has to enter his password when chrome starts up because chrome asks for your password So I can just imagine. Hey, you want to install that solitary game you have to but it's not in the store You actually have to go through and go to the website. It's called flat hub. You have to click on the thing and then He'd probably shoot me I'm just I mean, why did you install this hard to use and annoying operating system? and the the weirdest thing about this tyler is that elementary os 6 took a long time like this is based on Ubuntu lts 2004 They've been working on it since then so that's almost two years And we're we're coming up very close to the next lts when they're gonna have to start working on the next version of elementary os uh So, I mean they're way far behind and it feels like I mean they did a whole bunch of little stuff and this is why I mean we we don't want to write off the fact that they've Added they added a whole bunch of stuff for accessibility. They've added a new They completely rewrote the notification system and all that stuff I understand they're a very very small team Okay, we'll understand But you made your distribution worse You know, you went you went from one thing to another that took ages I mean it literally took little ages for you to do this and you The end product is worse now. Maybe in the long term This switch way from the repositories to the flat packs will work out for them. That's fine, but they're gonna gain an entirely bad reputation for not having software in their app store Which is what they were known for they were known for the app store where people could pay for applications in a way that supported developers and it was amazing and it was awesome and all this stuff and And Now half the applications that were in the app center before that were built for elementary just aren't there So for I mean, I only have one example of this is and it may have changed now because I mean they've been approving applications since the time I reviewed this but The one example I had when I tested this was planner. There's a to-do list app called planner It was developed for elementary os Not in the app center Eddie's not in there either. Eddie's a fantastic dev installer. Absolutely love it Not in there Yes, I mean it just blows my mind that you made it worse Okay, you want to you redo your code you're they had this they have this thing called code If they let's say they redid that and they made it worse in the next episode or the next install Who cares? It's an application But it's an app literally this was the thing you were known for It'd be like Elvis deciding he was going to redo his brand image and becoming country singer or a rapper or something. I don't know I mean literally a rapper is good You took what she was known for and what she did really really well And completely changed it and made it worse. I mean for all we know Elvis would have been a fantastic rmb artist Who knows but maybe but here's the thing too um I think the most egregious thing against elementary os is if you go and read their post about elementary os 6 like it is It's the most pretentious um, and like pat on the back type Article to read like it's it's really creepy to read it because it's they Very much hype themselves up and make it seem like they're doing almost everywhere throughout that documentation. They're doing something revolutionary Innovative and i'm like dude adding a dark theme is like look i i very much like the dark theme I very much do i think it's a major improvement calling adding a dark theme and innovation Is quite frankly the most stupid thing i have ever heard come out of a developer's mouth Excuse me. Yeah Like okay, so It's pretty right their their operating system has always been it's been pretty and that's what they've they're known for outside of the app center Is that they're Have a very good design sense and they try to enforce that design Philosophy on every application that is designed for their operating system Whether it's by them or by third party developers and that is A fine way of doing things like whatever. I don't really particularly agree with it. I think it increases lengths fragmentation, but Whatever I don't care, you know, I can still install planner on my art system It works fine You know In fact, I can install it on my art system and they can't install it on elementary less. So, you know when with uh, but um Like I said that might have changed between the whatever but my my point is Is there are certain things that? They can be proud of like they they made a pretty operating or a desktop environment, but It doesn't feel like This release is something That has enough in it to warrant that kind of rah rah We were awesome kind of thing now. Oh, yeah All that saying is that they're a very small team So I mean any when you're just a few people and you go through and make any accomplishment Congratulations. You did a good job. You know, maybe tone down the arrogance just a tad in terms of you're so special because Yes, you added a whole bunch of small stuff like you added a whole bunch of small stuff That's really good. Like the new notification system Way better than the old Uh, but for the vast majority of people that only see with their eyes All they're going to see is the desktop environment that looks exactly like elementary five that one It looks precisely the same unless you turn on the dark theme in which case Uh, congratulations. You have a dark theme You know, so I don't want to at the end of the day is a dark theme worth a worse user experience Right. No, I don't I I don't think so. Like I said, maybe that maybe the app store thing will get better As time goes I'm sure it will it's probably better now than it was a couple weeks ago And that's fine But the fact that I mean that and as I said, they're a small team the fact that they've added work to for themselves To try and make this transition they have to go through and approve Every single app that goes into their app store. That's not from like flat hobbits that they want to host it as a flat pack themselves They have to prove all those things and they have to do it one by one and That's I mean first of all that's such an apple thing to do Right. I mean they're trying to be safe like fine. I understand But you've added this work. You're literally redoing work You've done this before and I mean and maybe they consider the the whole flat pack and Sandboxing thing worth the extra work. Maybe they do. I don't particularly think that that is extra work that they should have done or Maybe they should have added some kind of transition period Where they kept all the old apps in there Like the old way of doing the apps and then slowly transitioned into the flat packs things, you know So that if you wanted to install Firefox out of the box you could you know and right now you can't and Everybody will say mainly their their own first-party apps are not even available on launch Like when it launched you could not just go in there and download eddy and it That is egregious like don't do that like yeah, but Well The thing that really I mean There are two things that are missing in there that really just blew my mind one of them was firefox because first of all Nobody's going to use epiphany for very long. It's an okay browser for that one time you want to use it, but After you've used it at one time you're going to go and download a real browser Whether it's chrome or chromium or volley or brave or firefox, whatever And none of those are in the app center and we're going to remember these are for new users So they don't know how to install shit from the command line. They just don't second of all uh, you're One of the things that people do when they switch from windows to linux is they look for applications that they can use as alternatives and one of the most used applications or software suites in the history of the world is microsoft office And there is not a single piece of office software that you can install for elementary west out of the box You can't install libra office and it doesn't have it installed It's not there and Like it blows my mind. I mean it's just so Incredibly, I mean Like and people are going to argue. Well, well, you can get those things, but new users aren't going to know that Like I said, which there's not going to know it. It's It's so weird. I mean it's just so weird, right? And then to be so proud of it on the box like At least be honest and say well, you're not we needed to release this otherwise We weren't going to make it until the next lts. So we're releasing this. It's a partial product. It has Great aesthetics, but the apps just aren't there yet. We're working on it. But not to say well Or just put a notification or something in the software center that lets you know, hey This is uh early development. Some applications won't be here That would have been great or a pop-up that says, you know, the the Like when you first open up the The app center or something. I think there actually is a pop-up already when you first open the the app center Something I seem to remember that in that pop-up. Just say would you like to add flat hub? Problem solved I mean, uh, I think Okay, so if you install Ubuntu all the Ubuntu stuff in the Ubuntu store are snaps They're all that snaps, but you can add other sources, right? And that's that's hidden by default But the thing is with the Ubuntu software store when that first switched over to snaps It had all the stuff you wanted in it already it was there They handled that transition so much better than what elementary I did. All right, so we wasted just a ton of time We're at an hour All right, we have not made it to the main topic yet So, uh, I have I so I have a proposition for you, Tyler can We shove the main topic off to next week Uh, because I really do have to stop in the next 10 15 minutes and I I'm really glad that you have to too because Technically speaking, I'm pretty sure in about 10 to 15 minutes. My mom's gonna burst through that door and be like, hey I need that headset. She's leaving out and she's taking this with her I gotta go pick up my own. All right. So this was supposed the I don't think we've even mentioned the main topic yet That's how far we are Excuse me, um same So the main topic was supposed to be should native linux gaming Be it, you know the focus or whatever. I don't even know how we phrased it So we will talk about native linux gaming and stream deck and all that kind this steam deck Next week. Yeah, okay. That'll be our main topic. I promise. I won't spend a half an hour at the beginning ranting my ass off The main topic we don't I talk just as much man Yeah, the main topic. We'll just use the elementary always thing for the main topic this week. Um Uh We just spent an hour didn't do the main topic We just didn't get to it. Uh, but we had to stop otherwise. We'll sit here and we'll rant for the next three hours Uh, so we will talk about native linux gaming next week So we're gonna skip over that and move right to the picks of the week. So tyler. What are your picks of the week? Uh, mine would be type speed. Uh, it's a I mean you're familiar with the game I'm pretty sure did did we play together or did you ask me to play together? Uh, we were talking about type racer Oh, that's right. That's right. I asked you and then we took we uh A monkey type is the other one that I recommended like a couple weeks ago And I did I did mess around with monkey type Quite a bit. I spent a lot of time did not realize that my words per minute were sitting at a humble, uh, 53 When I originally started Got that I've I've improved my words per minute all the way up to 76 words per minute is now my average. Um, I can get higher than that, but that's my average Um, much better much better and it was disturbing to figure out just how many people looking at the leaderboard on monkey type Will scare the living hell out of you. There are some people that can type Too fast like that's not even human Like there's like the top dude is like 278 words per minute Like how how do you not break your keyboard like what? But um, yeah, this is a really nice little game. Just it's a terminal Terminal based game. You can actually do multiplayer on it. Um, you know challenge other people play play, you know against the They either really in all honesty just test your skills play against yourself Um, but it's it's a lot of fun. I played it. Um, I want to say for like two hours It does get stressful. I did not know that a typing game could get pretty stressful It just can't all right, so You're younger than I am Do in school. Did you ever have to play? With anything for mavis beacon Or any test at all Yes, we did we did have to do typing tests Right. So when I was in school, which is probably a good 10 years before before you We there was a mavis beacon is still around. It's like it's not nearly as popular as it was but mavis beacon Like we used to be the only typing test you could use like it was the only one I already know who the fuck mavis beacon is but you know, she's around Uh, but anyways Basically, they had this version of that game that was like duck hunt because this was basically right around the time Duck hunt was popular and you had to type the words which is basically the equivalent of shooting the duck Uh, and if they landed on the ground, you know, obviously, you know you fail That was a lot of fun That was like on one of the original macintosh computers. That's how old That was I mean so was like That was back when organ trail was like a new game Yeah, that is definitely, uh, I remember in school we were not playing stuff like, um organ trail for sure I remember there was this We sent it all around school. There was a like a cracked version of uh, half-life that went around our school And so during every computer class, I mean literally every single one the teacher would always walk around the room like doing the projects Excuse me Uh, but people would walk around Or the teacher would walk around and people would literally like close half-life And be working on their project for like two minutes as soon as he looked away Reminds me of the reminds me of the moment in uh, the first Avengers where Tony start comes in to the to the air dick And that guy's playing galaga He thought we wouldn't notice but he definitely did what we did Oh man, uh, spoil alert he dies at the end No, you can't spoil that man Yeah, anyway, so all right, so, uh, I have two picks just Uh, just real quick if you uh are interested in watching other people do typing tests and stuff There's a guy called no, this is john on youtube I will leave a link of the in the video description of his youtube channel And he uses the devoric keyboard layout and he can go over 200 words per minute with that way layout And you just watch him typing it's like Holy shit, right? I like i'm gonna I'm gonna see if I can uh, let's see I mean, what's your your average is over 100, right? All right, so my no no no no no not my average my top speed is is 100 and like 17 or something like that My average is around 85 to 90 So you're not too far behind me uh It really depends on what kind of typing test i'm doing if i'm doing the quotes like that actual have proper sentence structure I can do over 100 easily all the time If I do the random word stuff, I'm much slower. Let's usually around 85 to 90. So Yeah, it depends Uh, anyways Check out his channel if you're interested in watching somebody who will always be able to type faster than you Because you never get up to those speeds. I'm so I I have a like a to-do list that I go through every single day of stuff that I have to do Right and one of those things is to practice typing. I do it every single day And I've been doing it now for almost a year Maybe even over a year. Uh, I haven't seen I I type way faster now than I did in my first started But I don't feel that I'm ever going to get to the point where I Really shove past the 100 word per minute mark. I think 100 word per minute is probably where I'm going to be and probably where I'll Stay always Uh, I I don't foresee my my self ever getting to 200 for minutes Just my hands hurt just looking at anyway, so that wasn't actually my pick of the week My pick of the week was uh orbital bullet Uh, this is a game on steam. It's like I'm not actually sure how much it's it's like 13 bucks On uh on steam. It isn't early development. So it's still being developed And it's you know those like game the shooters that are just 2d like you just side scrollers, right? It's kind of like this that only instead of that it goes in a circle So even even your bullets or stuff are are you know curved. It's really fun. Uh, it's not It's not a very in-depth game Like there's no storyline or anything like that You just go in and start killing aliens or something like that. I don't even tell they are And your object is to stay alive the the loot system and the upgrade system is broken. It's just It is. I mean I watched your live stream Uh, it it it definitely could use some work ui like or I guess min ui is really the better way of describing it It's not like the ui is itself bad. It's just yeah, it needs work Well, the the biggest issue I have is that think that they have perks and they have level up systems and all this stuff But you can't tell the difference between level one and level whatever they all feel exactly the same So maybe it's just because I'm still very early in the game But it feels like their Perk system and their skill level system Is broken It just because it It doesn't feel like when you go through and add skills to your Little character that you're actually getting anything for him. It's just you should you're shooting bullets The other thing that drives me absolutely bonkers What this game is that you run on a ammo constantly now Most of that is just because I'm one of those spray and spray motherfuckers That you know just shoots as many bullets as possible hoping to kill something. That's mostly my fault But the access to new ammo is very limited in this game You're supposed to get some for every like alien or whatever that you kill But you don't get for everyone and they have some of them that will restock all of your ammo at once But those are it just feels too rare. So the amount of times I ran out of ammo was quite high Yeah, anyways, so Uh, that is the Linux cast we uh We're still over an hour. We didn't do the main topic it We're just going to call this rant-a-thon All we did was rant the whole damn time. Uh, but I think it was good. So before we go, I'd like to take a moment to thank my current patrons Uh, Devon Chris east coast web gen 2 is fun to Marcus Magland Sven Jackson knife and tool Mitchell. Mr. Fox art center american camp Next week, we're going to talk about Linux native Linux gaming the week after that which was supposed to be next week Uh, the five things we love about hit Linux five things we hate about Linux I'm sure that some of the things we talked about today will probably make it a reappearance because I'm gonna bitch about that snap folder And the fucking thing Again as many times as possible because it just piss me off. I definitely won't mention pulse or anything like that We're going to spend the whole hour on pulse audio. I hope you know this because it's horrible Anyways, so that that's a little sneak peek of what's coming up next week in the week after thanks everybody for watching We'll see you next time