 All right, we're back with the breakfast and plus TV Africa. My name is Kofi Bartel says Balo 23 special, Balo 2023 special. That was the moment right there. I would like to reintroduce our guests who were with us before we went on a break. We had on Zoom a public affairs and this was given us a blow by blow. He starts on the violence and reports of violence in the voting elections in legal state. I'm talking about Arnold Dr. Oshinowo Ibrahim. Dr. Oshinowo Graham, are you there please? Thank you so much for staying with us throughout the news. All right, thank you. We also have Mr. Adey Misaka public affairs commentator, political analyst, Adey Misaka, are you there please? Okay. All right, before we go back to the talk on violence, we have some news coming in of course. As far as the voting is concerned, then we can see that there have been some, what do you call it again, some upsets from Lagos local government areas, Lagos mainland, Lagos island. We have a pair, we call it Shaffer etiosa, Ibejuleki, Ikeja, Badagri, Agege, Amuadofi, Shomolu, Suruliri, Apapa, Mushi, Ifakujiae, Ajerumi, Ifelodu, Oshodisolo. Oshodisolo of course, Ali Mosheno. These are results released by INEC and of course at the Lagos state collision center where we have a man on the ground hopefully we'll get across to him as soon as possible. But it seems to be like we heard from I guess NEC and NEC between APC and Labor Party from what we can see, total of 488,063 votes for APC in Lagos state and a total of 471,944 for the Labor Party in Lagos state as well as for the PDP 63,773. So this is what I guess Dr. Shinobu you were talking about. We look at for instance Lagos mainland where these elections don't matter as far as local governments are concerned but the overall number is what matters at the end of the day. We look at Lagos mainland for instance where APC had most of the votes with 20,030, Labor Party 18,698 and PDP with 3,005. Some people say 3,002. For me this is indicative of the fact that people were allowed to vote but if we didn't have the violence we would have had more votes going the way of some of these political parties, whoever, whichever it is, think of all those ballot papers that were snatched. Definitely would have had more votes than this. Dr. Shinobu especially look at the fact that Lagos has 7,060,000 registered voters. The case is very simple. I don't want us to, plus TV is international media platform. I don't want us to base our discussion on Lagos state. Do you show about full voter suppression in Lagos state? It does not arise at all. Let me just discuss about this. If a Labor Party in 2019, Labor Party does not have one vote in Lagos. One vote. One vote. One vote. One vote candidate. One vote candidate. Today, today, in Lagos where I meet, Labor Party, a guy that does believe to be society in the truth and does 24,000 votes. Labor Party candidate. This is a guy that is just, he is voting a house. He's voting a house. He voted 24,000, betting an incubate and a banked W. So who is going to be discussing about the tax of pension? Who? In Lagos? I don't even know the guy's name. I can't have something. Okay. And he's betting an incubate and nobody knows. And he's betting a banked W as the living dead last 10 years that I know of. So nobody should discuss about Lagos voter suppression. You want to talk about suppression? You're still telling us the line you were telling me before we're going to break. Are there any Sakai there, please? Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. I mean, it's been a very busy couple of days for all of us. We're looking at voter suppression across the country with Lagos State as a case study. What are your thoughts on the reports of incidences of electoral... I won't. Let me say my view of this topic is a non-partisan and I'm probably going to share my experiences. I'll start from 2019. I was on the platform on registration live coverage and this was not callers calling me to tell us off because the report was sent out to this field that mentioned that people were being turned back, even flocked in as a paparro to the Butimeta and the Gerard. That was in 2019. I never started the comfort of my room to evaluate the victims. I'm not going to talk because of loyalty to all parties. I have to be to get my party or quit the perception that the party in the United States is good. What happened in Lagos State on Saturday was shampooing, was a ruse, was the station. I was on the step on Saturday, a regular station with a live call working on live coverage for the election with someone called me from Ocombo in Asia and said he came to their polling room to look at the report because they assumed they were going to vote for a particular party. Now that the election is over, we could mention their names, but they imagined they were going to vote for a different party and they were slogging everybody that worked there with his wife. They had the elders who tried to talk to those guys, greeted them, and the only reason it was left out of that compartment was because it said a module bad name. If you don't think I'm right, it could go to the office at the top of the legislation. It takes life. Yesterday, there was another platform. I'm back into a new code. It was put some steps out of it. I've taken out 30 polling units with Mr. Frachai. Also today, there is a polling unit in front of Prince Paxi Red Star Center that even the polling firm has signed these polling units with them. I'm not sure what. Both are suppression. In fact, there was, I think there was a calculated attempt to destabilize voters. Pulling these steps around that emotional action of the level in some places, 12 billion, 1 billion. And the way to have people that gathered all the diversity by the time I got there, there was an issue of people not working. There was an issue of their numbers or not the balance of the votes as it is. At the end of the day, it turned down to 172. There was a call on the life program, which I wanted to start the state registration. The guys complained that a polling unit in Osho refused to leave from them was a fact. And they've seen that there was a lot of steps of people at some polling unit in Osho that they just wanted for them to count. And they called rapid response. It is 737 number tries and told them they were coming. But they didn't show up on the display of the ballot paper and put away the papers. They had to send me to about Marfa Luku. They reported our steps to Yatiwa in Yabba said the same thing. So we were sitting at the comfort zone and be bold enough to lighten the idea that there was no voter suppression in diversity. We shouldn't be, we should be truthful. It was just so we wouldn't discontest the diversity. There's a cast of doubt on the conduct. Okay, but I know Misaka, you know, I guessed Dr. Shinoha said, you know, look at the results in legal state. Peter, a bill of the Labour Party, defeated Bola Amitidubu of APC, former governor of the state, in the Keja, in the Keja ways, which is where the state capital is, you know, if you want to call it that. And that if there was suppression, you wouldn't be seeing these results, you know, at its second neck between Labour Party and APC in legal state. That shows that this talk of voter suppression is, can't be. Oh, I'm sorry that I'm going to go through voting. Yeah. If there was no voter suppression in diversity, I'm going to say to imagine that for a while. We knew what happened in Okota, Agapala is trying to make them. It could not happen again because there was massive deployment also just to the artist. If nobody should come and clear our face afterwards, it's raining. We're not dull-eyed in Nigeria. Well, what we are pushing for is not political. If you're talking about electoral posters, how do you want my chance to put up it? How do you want to put up with it? You'll be careful what you push out, 90s were pushed out, like you want to push out. It's true for Kilos. It makes a lot of sense to be issues with confronting those amounts of addressing. Okay. Dr. Oshino, I mean, you've listened to, I guess, your counterparts at the day, Ms. Akad, mentioned some parts of legal state where you had, you know, these violence incidents. And I used to go, so what do you say to that? Because when you hear, you know, the names being mentioned, I think it really makes it sound real. Do you still doubt that there was violence in the election legals on Saturday? I don't want to join issues with anybody. It's so sad that I don't like to be troubled. Let's take a mention of any tribe. It's so sad that we, the Yorubas, are the enemy of ourselves. And it's unfortunate. But be that the case is, I maintain my stand. OB is doing very well. OB is around 540,000 votes. OB is around 40,000 votes. But unfortunately, you don't want to discuss about other states, like a number where other tribes are not allowed to vote. You're not balancing the reports. Where are other tribes? The Yorubas, the Anusas, the Yorubas are allowed to vote. No, Dr. Shiro, I told you you're free to talk about election violence anywhere. Let me learn. OB is pulling 540,000, 43,000 votes in legals. In legals. In legals. OB has been a saddo in the last 21 years. The Yorubas is pulling 550,000, just about 7,000 different, with the meaning of one letter government. And somebody somewhere, because you are cutting away with all these balloon promises, all these brakada figures, all these Malaysia economy, and you believe that you can sit down somewhere and you say anything you like. If anybody is entitled to his opinion, my point is, and logical, I'm analyzing the data. If there are voter suppression, I'm telling you OB would not pull 100 votes. If you call us there, you are a journalist. If you call us there, how can OB, who is living in Yorubu, who moves to neighbor partners at 6 months, is able to flag a former governor, to win a former governor, a senator in his local government. It is all local government, and you are saying that it's voter suppression. How can that sound patriotic if anybody could say that? I'm wondering who is talking. That's not patriotic. All right, we'll come back to you Doc. At this point, the point Doc is making is that the results, the results should be proof that any talk of voter suppression, probably I'm sure you agree, is just isolated incidents. Saka, are you there, please? Damien Saka, can you hear me? I will go by report. If the report states there are voter suppression in a non-grass state, which I'm not saying you have one, we'll talk about it objectively. We'll push it out objectively. And personally, it's making an argument that if there was no voter suppression, people would be able to defeat the government in regards to the former governor. There will be people that are not defeated at the post, it's God. Any other post you can face defeat, or by some just has been defeated in his local government in front of his house, is a former governor together at the former president. Please, we should wake up. No matter how the voter suppression, the population of criminals cannot outnumber the population of negotiations that are ready to cast their votes. I just changed my mind, I'm calling for the cancellation of the post. Oh, no. You are now invested, you know, actually I'm calling for the cancellation of the post. If it's not, if it's not nationwide, at least show sector from part of the country. Yenogua, it's on record that polling units five minutes time is right for minor confessions in Yenogua. It now holds on Saturday, confirmed by the army chairman. Is that a form of voter suppression? In some instances, by now it goes to polling units within adequate ballot papers. So, Sakha, within the social security system, you will find that there are local of the party that is in a certain entity, and it's a polling unit in a social security system. The election was messed up by Heineck, and in Lake Hospital, there was voter intimidation and suppression. And that's the truth. No, but that's what we said, that's the legal thing. Yes, and then, Sakha, what Doc is saying is that evidence of suppression or through a political threat with electoral violence would have been that the results of the election will favor a particular candidate more than the other. But we're seeing- No, but what this is the mistake that I'm making for the image is when you felt that tracking is true good of a particular candidate, you are certain that your candidate was also there for that, for that, for that, which one would have either reduced the number of political figures? Well, I'm saying nobody should, yes, the Doc is out. But we are- I'm asking you, you think, Doc or myself or neither, no. Okay. But that was the thing that should not be the number one to complain or discuss whether or not to do. It's not to do. All right. Dr. O'Shinoa, let's look at this aspect of the entire security architecture for the elections. In particular, the provision that the police officers who are going to be guarding the polling centers should not be armed. While on my way to work this morning, I looked at the way through a chat thread or discussion, a conversation between the police public relations officer in Lagos state and one of the supporters, vocal supporters online of a political party, and it was talking about the police standing by and doing nothing, showed him a video and all of that. And the Lagos state police public relations officer said, you know, what did you expect those police officers to do when they are not armed, when the party is the complainant supports, agreed that the police officers during election or election duty should not be armed at the polling centers, polling units. So what do you think this has to do? This has to play in all of these. You think we need to rethink and look again at the provisions to ensure that police officers who are polling centers are armed, fully armed and ready to deal decisively with any thoughts that invade and try to attack, you know, the system, the process. At the same time, if you could remember what I said earlier about all these valuing voter suppression in Lagos, all these, you know, daydreaming of voter suppression. Anybody who believes that there is voter suppression to challenge the Lagos state commissioner of police, the GOC garrison in Lagos, who are supposed to provide security for the voters. Whereas I don't believe there's a voter suppression. Yes, in the, you know, in the modern, in the modern, if there are more cases, there's no reason why any police should go with harms to polling units. You know, they don't need. But if there are issues that were harms, you know, you know, harms to be deployed, of course the police can call for backup. You know, everything still burns down on the failure of our net. I will remember that. And I'm calling for this on my mode. After this election, after this declaration, after the declaration of vision, I'm calling on you to resign and go back to class. You should go back to class. You should resign. You have failed more fully. The promise he made to Nigeria's and the natural guideline is that we will view the results online real time. So the deployment of all this in so many ways with national security advisor, with the chief of army staff, chief of staff, the leadership of Nigerian police, the DSS, and other sister agencies. Okay. So if anybody is challenging or in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, by S.I. in rivers and all these things, these are security collapse. Okay. The police needs to be there and show that voters, you know, perform their civic duties without hindrances. All right, doc. Thank you. That's why I'm saying that you cannot. So I'm calling in a nob shell. I'm calling for police on my mode. Resignation immediately after the presidential election. He has failed in 2019. Thank you very much. Let's go to a day in Misaka. What are your thoughts on this? You think that one way to tackle, because doc has said, you know, you can't expect policemen to be armed at polling centers. Do you think the way to tackle this will be to allow police, you know, where arms, because thugs come in, the police, they step aside, they stand, watch from afar, the members of the public are left to defend themselves. Yeah, they go and get beaten or they run away. If the police are armed, maybe we won't see these thugs attempting to attack the polling centers. Well, um, Kofi, I said it on the slide today, and I think you took it away from me. If VIP, you know, details of police officers are touched at escorts, as escorts to VIPs or what have you, beerhams. I think our vote is more important than most of the VIPs that those guys do with assault rifle. Yes, there might be pockets of incidents, incidents, rather, that you might think like, okay, fine. After it's a district, but it's not a district for you to kill somebody or shoot at somebody, you have to take off the safety and shoot. I believe if the two police officers are touched to the polling in the beerhams, at least an assault rifle, for seven, that gives you an average of 21 rounds per rifle, that is for the two bullets. I don't think if you fight for the two bullets at doubt, they will still come, they can be able to catch them with the bullet boxes I want to mean. We need to allow, change that electoral hat and allow security agents and non-poly boots, beerhams, because the people we are dealing with are resolute criminals. And that could bring about a bad government getting into office and we might end up paying with our lives. A lot of people have paid with their lives in Sao Paulo, in Sokotoa and Cardinal because of inefficiency of government that could sit back on me. So if my mandate is to be protected and I don't have an effective government in power, I probably will be alive. So I need security agents to protect my will and my chance to be alive through my vote. All right, it remains to be seen if this will be achieved, you know, the electoral act, I don't know how. For this to be a law, we should please work on your electoral act. But the parties agree to this, it's what is being said, you know, they agree to it, they agree to it and now they're the ones complaining, but you're saying that we need to arm our police officers with live runs. Even exposing the police officers to danger, when they are not bearing arms, and by law and by instance of their professional training and calling, they are meant to protect the ballots. Yes, the one I was mentioning at the street opposite Sao Paulo police station, the polling unit there, the street that leads to McNeil. When they tried to drag the ballot box with the police, the police officer resisted them, they poured the substance on them that's supposed to be engine oil or lubricant, as it was an acid, oh that's a false law. All right, so you said the police officers are even endangered if they are kept in such locations without arms. I want to thank you, gentlemen, I want to thank you. And they have kids, they have wives, they have spouses, right? You don't want to make their wives or widows, I would do so, I want to make the men widows. Okay, we have to go, we have to go, I want to thank you both for your time as we've looked at electoral violence in Lagos and around the country. Dr. Oshinowo talked about Anambra State and Fatah Yoruba. All right, gentlemen, thank you so much. Dr. Ibrahim Oshinowo is a public affairs analyst. Day in Misaka is also a public affairs analyst as well. General, we're glad to have had you. We'll keep talking and looking at what's happening and I'm sure we'll have you back on version. All right, so the Breakfast on Plus TV Afqat, we have another conversation coming up next and so we'll take a quick break and when we come back we'll continue before we say goodbye.