 Electric Boogaloo Turbo! Electric Boogaloo is break dance too! Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the pro-crastinators podcast. That's right, take some PCP with us friends, because this is a podcast on the internet with a bunch of content creators who make cool shit, and here we are talking about it. I'm the best guy ever, and we are joined by Tom Oliver. I am a sequel to myself. I've revived my old channel. It's back. I have ten new videos up in two weeks as I'm a fucking god. Go subscribe to it! Impressive. A hypocrite is here. This is part one of my sentence. This is part two of my sentence. The sequel. What do you think? A bit of use of a semicolon to break that up, or otherwise that would have been two sentences. I can't just say semicolon out loud. What am I, gay? Yeah, and we've also got Digi, Brony, MLP. Once again, our favorite. PCP to electric boom! There it is. We're talking about sequels today, everybody. Sequels is the topic of this episode of the PCP. We're really, really scraping the bottom of that barrel. God doesn't feel good. God doesn't feel good. That's where all the gold cakes on. So when you scrape that shit up, the people appreciate it. So the bottom of the barrel is totally thematically relevant to the topic of sequels anyway, because that's really what they do in sequels. You gotta just like, original ideas, fuck it. We're just gonna milk this, and we're gonna have Halloween March 18. I think we made that argument about remakes when we did our remakes episode. But I think sequels are a little different depending on what kind of sequel it is, because the way I see it, good sequels are all about taking the original and looking at it with a critical eye and saying, how do we do it even better? At least ideally. In a perfect world, that's what all sequels would be. Well, I was just gonna say, like a perfect example of that, the perfect sequel of all time, Shrek 2. It improved on all aspects of Shrek, and I like it. It's really good. I actually hear that opinion most of the time about Shrek 2. Shrek 2 is liked, I think. And so is Shrek 3, isn't it? Not so much. In fact, 3 and 4 and 5 and 6 and 7 are like their worst than Kingdom Hearts. Are there really 7? There's a lot. There's at least 5. There's at least 4. There's 3 and 4, I think. Okay, okay. Well, I don't know. This is a corporatized world we live in. It's very possibly could be 7 Shrek movies. Hey, well I was just playing a sequel this very morning, and actually, I'm not sure if it counts. So you guys can tell me. Does Mario mainline Mario games count as sequels? I'm playing Mario Odyssey right now. I think that counts. That definitely counts. I think that's an interesting question. Mario Galaxy 2 is very definitively a sequel because it's literally like the same thing but they built on it. That's exactly the kind of sequel I'm talking about where they took the first game and they said, okay, this is great. What can we do to tweak it to make it a little bit fresh and new but still be the same. It's like a sequel is one thing and then there's a next one in a series, which is great. I don't know if you've heard of that. I think all the Mario games, they're sequels to each other. I think the core ideas in Mario Odyssey is the platforming, the jumping and all that stuff. That's an idea that has been in Mario's DNA from the original Super Mario Brothers and all of these are just iterations and ways of tweaking the formula. Iteration is a good word but I don't know if I'd use sequel. Look at Dr. Mario's beloved entry in the Mario franchise. That's a spin-off. That's something totally different. That's the idea of sequel is like you would watch them or play them in a series. They are very closely linked and you would go if you wanted to do all of them. Mario Odyssey is built so that you could play it as your first Mario game. They want you to be able to do that. There's no need to play Super Mario 64 first whereas with the Galaxy games, I think they definitely intended like hey, you liked Galaxy 1, now you can do another one. It almost works as an expansion of sorts. It really is kind of like a level pack and then there's additional new powers. It reminds me a little bit of like Brood War from StarCraft. That's kind of what you get. You get like a bunch of new levels, bunch of new worlds and then like Yoshi was the big addition. But other than that, there's not a heck of a lot. Okay, here's a question I have for you guys. What was Gibbs saying? I was going to say like this interesting you say StarCraft because that has like DLC but it's also a sequel to StarCraft 1. I'm talking about StarCraft 1. There's sequels and there's expansion. Sometimes there's DLC that basically are sequels. Sometimes there's DLC that continues to narrative. The line is blank. Well, here's the thing. I think we're forgetting something very important. We're all trying to define what a sequel is. We're forgetting the fucking Urban Dictionary. Urban Dictionary is what's going to be able to define this for us. I've got it open. So we don't have to sit here arguing about it. I've got it open. I've got it open here. All right. Well, let's settle it once and for all. Okay, here we go. A sequel, something of inferior quality, an utterance of absolute disgust. And here's the full thing. The word that owes its second meaning to the long list of low-budget waste of space sequels to box office smashes in which none of the original actors appear. The storyline is either non-existent or piss-weak. And the only way that the 12-year-old mentally challenged director can salvage this train wreck is through gratuitous use of full-frontal nudity that would horrify even the most seasoned SBS world movies connoisseur. That's a very interesting definition, because what they're saying is they're defining sequel as why it is a slang term to insult somebody. Is this Urban Dictionary? That's why I'm never ending, because the sequel's never equal, as Endless Jess has said in The Coolest Guy. There's an idea that referring to someone as a sequel is referring to them as inferior to the original. But the best sequels are typically better than the original. Here's a question I want to ask you guys regarding the Mario thing. Do you think of the Zelda games as sequels? Because whereas Mario has retained most of its core elements in each of these other 3D games, Zelda is pretty fucking different. And there's only one Zelda game. There's only a couple of them that are like considered actual sequels in the canon. There's Legend of Zelda, Ocarina of Time, and then there's Legend of Zelda, Ocarina of Time, like two through seven. They're all the exact same game. You played them all, Tom? There's different window dressing on them. Have you played them, Tom? Did you play those Zelda games? I've played a bit of Ocarina of Time. I've played through all of Skyward Sword, objectively the worst Zelda game of all time. It's a trainwreck of Titanic proportions. I've played all of them. I've played all of them, except for Wind Waker, admittedly, though I did play Phantom Hourglass. I would count all those in the same camp as the Mario sequels. They are refining the formula. And just because they're different sorts of games, but they're the same sort of thing, where they're just progressing in some particular path. Let's say you compared Mario Sunshine to Mario Odyssey. In both games, Princess Peach is captured by Bowser. Mario's got to go savor. He does this by jumping on things occasionally using the power ship. Princess Zelda is captured by Ganondorf. He has to cut lots of things. That is not a thing that even happens in most Zelda games. How often has Zelda been kidnapped by Ganondorf in the Zelda franchise? I mean, you could more or less say that it happened in the new one. It's either she's captured or turned to stone or something that is bad by Ganon. Okay, Legend of Zelda, the Minish Cap. Zelda's not in it. Ganon's not in it. Zelda's in it. She's in it. She's at the very beginning. In fact, Zelda does turn to stone. That's the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, Voddy does that shit. Oh, there he goes. Voddy Vidya, making a Voddy Vidya. Dark Souls 2, that's a sequel. That is a sequel. Oh, God. That's an unfortunate sequel. Well, let me back up for a second. Ocarina of Time vs. Majora's Mask, which is actually a direct sequel to Ocarina of Time, very thematically different. Different tone, different kind of atmosphere. And I think some of the Zelda games are enough different thematically that I don't know if I'd consider them a sequel. Although, in that case, it is actually a sequel and it is the most different. I guess my definition of sequel has always been more, at least in terms of games, has always been more about the underlying mechanics and the identity of the game. Because you play a Mario game, it always feels like a Mario game. You never would mistake it as something else. Even though there's lots of other new ideas and new mechanics being layered on top of it, the base idea of, they all kind of feel very similar. You play Super Mario 3D land for the DS and you play Mario Sunshine and the core mechanics, how Mario handles, how he moves, the base moveset that he has ever since Super Mario 64, that's all pretty much the same. And there's iterations and refinements and tweaks, but you go in expecting a certain feel when playing a 3D Mario game. Ever since Mario 64, that's really been there to some degree. And so I feel like that underlying pedigree is what defines a sequel. Would you put Super Mario 3D World in there then? Because that game plays very differently. Would you say it's also part of that same sequel lineage? Super Mario 3D World for the Wii U? Yeah. I haven't played a whole bunch of it, despite the fact that it's right behind me right now. But despite the fact that it's like, it's more, that's the one where it's more like, it's 3D but it's like an isometric kind of view, right? Yeah, yeah, for the most part. I think the mechanics there are still pretty much the same. Like it's still a platformer, like it moves very similar. It's interesting to me though, Tom, that you seem to be defining sequels based on more of like the, on the mechanics as opposed to like any, I don't know, like a narrative thing or anything. I mean obviously if it's something that says like Metroid Prime 2, which like I think you were just playing, like yeah okay, that's pretty clearly a sequel. Nate, you just reminded me of a term that'll help with this a lot. Yeah. My favorite term, spiritual sequel. Right, right. Because when you look at... Is that a spiritual successor or is that something different? There's both, both are used, but I always secure spiritual sequel. Like for instance, a game like Axiom Verge, that is clearly meant to be a spiritual connection to, well in this case I would say a sequel, but a spiritual successor to Metroid, to Super Metroid, like could it be that the Mario, because when I think sequel, I do think continuing the actual narrative, like it's supposed to be the same, at least the same characters, you know. Mario has the same characters for the most part, but there's really no narrative to continue. Yeah, you know, and like if you look at something like Mario Galaxy, like there's no plot connection, like seemingly at all to like any of the other games, most of the Nintendo's games don't do that. Their narrative is just like a very loose framing device to have the action. So I'm not sure describing the Mario games as sequels makes sense. I think like spiritual successor, even though they're all like mainline Mario games, might make more sense. As far as I know, spiritual successor doesn't even, when you say something's a spiritual successor, the term doesn't mean it's a sequel. It means it's taking the gameplay identity of another game that won't get a sequel and injecting it into a new IP. That's why Axiom Verge is a spiritual successor to Metroid. It's not a Metroid title, but it's trying to play like one and invoke that kind of same game feel. And what are you saying? I feel like the whole Mario, like the whole like sequel successor, so spiritual stuff, like it doesn't need a word like that, because like it doesn't apply to any of them, like aside from like Mario 1, Super Mario 1, Super Mario 2, like even that's kind of weird, but I think the whole thing with the sequels is like people generally think of it as being, if it's numbered, then it's a sequel, and if it's not, then it's just part of the same franchise, and the word sequel doesn't even come into it. Will Radcon Awakening be a direct sequel to Radcon 2? That's, I don't know, I don't know, or is it a spiritual successor? That'll depend on the narrative content of Radcon Awakening. Indeed. Are we gonna do the fuck shit thing that movie producers do and not put the number on Radcon 3? Is it just gonna be Radcon Awakening? Davoo has been making that joke forever, that he insists that the next Radcon be called Radcon Awakening, canonically. With no 3 in it. With no 3 in it. Oh, that burns my heart. We need to do that, and then the next one just has to be Radcon? Exactly. Or like The Radcon. The Radcon. The Radcon was like, lowercase R. Yeah, lowercase R. Alternating upper and lowercase for each other. Oh, yes. Oh no. Oh, and that's the one where Gamze kills us all. Yeah. That's where Munchie disembowels all of us. When we inevitably release Radcon on DVD on each one, we have to make sure the titles are totally different on the side. Yeah. Radcon 4 has to be Refor-de-con. Refor-de-con. I do like that. I do like that. Hey, so I watched a sequel. I watched a whole series of sequels recently, which is interesting because it's kind of like the opposite of all this. So I watched Rambo. I downloaded all the Rambo movies recently and watched all of them. Because I heard they were cool and whatever. So I watched Rambo 1. Everyone probably knows this already. But Rambo 1 is a story of a tortured Vietnam vet who comes back home and then suffers. He's kind of a vagrant now. He's sort of lost his place in the world because he was such a badass soldier. Now he's just a civilian and doesn't know what to do with himself. He's just in the world and he gets into some minor trouble with the law just by loitering a little bit. It wasn't serious. He gets abused by the cops and then they fuck him up a little bit. And then he goes on kind of a murderous rampage as they try to track him down after he escapes from the thing. And then he kicks back into Vietnam mode and goes full monster murder man and starts doing all this shit. So it's really a story about a guy being tortured by his past and having to overcome it. And then he turns himself in and obviously has deep, severe mental issues that he's going to need to work through. And then Rambo too, they get him out of jail and then he's just sent on a big epic rescue POWs in Vietnam, like military man mission. So it's like they've capitalized on the reputation that Rambo established, Rambo 1, of this guy being a big badass soldier. But they completely abandon any of the actual point of the movie of it being about... It goes from a movie trying to send a message about mental health issues to be like, what if we have Sylvester Stallone killing some bitches? That would be cool. And it was great. It was a legitimately great action movie that I enjoyed quite a bit. But it barely resembles... In the tangible details, it totally resembles Rambo 1. But in terms of the actual point they were making, they completely abandoned it. And it's like... I don't know who was writing that. I'm really curious if the same people were involved with making Rambo 2 as Rambo 1. Still Stallone was. Yeah, and I know Stallone wrote Rambo 4 and was heavily involved in getting it done. But that might have just been the resurrecting of the thing, because this was like two decades after Rambo 3 was made and shit. So that's an example. That was a surprisingly good sequel though. I liked it. I thought it was really good. I liked the part where that Christian lady got raped. That was cool. She didn't actually get raped, unfortunately. Yeah, it was good. Here's a sequel, a pair of sequels that I feel just for the sake of completeness needs to be mentioned is Star Wars. Which has gone in a lot of interesting directions with sequels. Because you've got the original Star Wars, big, huge film. Everybody loves it. But it's kind of directed and edited like garbage. It's really... There was a lot of problems with the production, basically. And when you watch the movie knowing that, you can really see it. And then you get to the second movie and it's such a clear improvement. They took the ideas and put them in the hands of a director who could actually bring it to life, make it feel big and real and dramatic. And then you get to the third movie, which for some reason a lot of people don't like, but I think that movie capitalizes on the themes, the best out of all the movies, it brings it all home in a really good way. And so you got this package where it's like, yeah, there are some sequels that actually took what the previous one did, built on it, tried to improve. And then suddenly they make three more sequels that are actually prequels and don't capitalize on any of the strengths of the original. And are a total clusterfuck. But then you get 23 more sequels a few, a decade later, that are now just cherry picking any tangible or abstract concept from the old films and cobbling them together into a new film that is just made up of the body parts of the old ones. It's a descent into corporatization, which is funny because Star Wars has always been a very corporatized product, but it's gone to the nth degree now. The fascinating thing about that, that trajectory, is kind of like Star Wars is pretty beloved these days. It's quite popular and it was popular for a long time, but it's really had a resurgence. And it's interesting to watch the trajectory of everyone loved the original films. They're highly beloved to this day. And then the sequels came out. And at the time, it was lukewarm, and then some people were massively disappointed, and so the reputation tank, Luke Skywalker Warm, excellent. And it's funny because now things have kicked back up, as JJ Abrams has been able to make some pretty good work, at least for the first one, and we'll see what the others do as well. But what's interesting is the first one was like a guy, Lucas. Lucas is running the show, but he was tempered by the fact that he wasn't the god of the production of those. His creative input was subject to the quality control of lots of other people. And so it was sort of a one-man show, but then it was filtered through all these things, like sort of a committee that made it good. But then you've got the prequels, and the prequels totally lost that filtering process, and only kept what he said, like, we're doing this, make it happen, and nobody wanted to question it. Whether it was his fault or not doesn't matter. The point is it was just what he wrote on that paper, probably too hastily without thinking about it enough, and that's just what became the movies, and we all know what happened with that. But now, and now we've got a purely corporatized product happening now, probably with people who love it to some degree. It's gone too far in the other direction is what you're saying. Actually, I was going to say that it's funny that things have improved from just one man's mad vision by making it corporate. They've improved, but not... I think the original was the perfect balance of those two. Of course, of course. A lot of it was this one guy's interest and vision, but just he had a good editor, you know? And I mean editor, not like a literal film editor, but you know what I mean. And his fellow writers and stuff. In the metaphorical sense. And now we've got the editor writing the movie based on what he thought needed to be fixed without the actual inspiration. Exactly, exactly. We've got to put a certain amount of iconography to sell toys because he, he, we're Disney and shit. And you know, it's not... Nobody's making these movies because people are longing to know what happens with the Star Wars universe. I mean kind of... People kind of did because they made books and comics. Yeah, I read a lot of those. It's just, yeah, it's very much... You can't see it as anything other than a cash cow. It's hard for me to think of it as like the same series. Absolutely. For me, I can easily watch those first three films and think this is three films that were... Not that they were all intended to be made from the beginning because the first movie obviously was not supposed to have sequels considering it wraps everything up perfectly fine. But like, when you watch the other two, you go, okay, this is a natural extension of that first movie. And then you watch the new ones and to me, it just feels like this is nothing to do with it. And that's... It's a fan fiction, you know? See, like I really did love the original Star Wars movies and probably still would if I watched them again. It's just kind of been a while. But like, the originals have such a wonderful grittiness of like old film making to them. They remind me, and not to suck their dick too hard, but they remind me of like a Casablanca or a Lawrence of Arabia. When like, things were just... They had to get down there in the fucking dirt and everyone got fucking filthy and dirty and things were not polished and clean and so heavily produced. Things were like, I don't know, fucking ramshackle. Like the fucking Indiana Jones bit where the dude has, you know, got his swordplay and he's danced around and then Indiana just shoots him. Like that's fucking cinema gold. And the story behind it as well is incredible. And I for one don't like the kind of the way things have gone where they've proceeded to make things so polished and clean and a lot of it I'm sure just has to do with the technology that's available, makes it easier to do. And that's kind of just a constant thing that as we march forward in technology that's more and more of a thing. And obviously that was done to the nth degree in the Star Wars prequels, but even now I see elements of that in the newer Star Wars stuff. And they just don't feel the same as like the originals that I did love. So like to call it a sequel to me is like, this is what people complain about with sequels, that they're not the thing that you love, so like stop fucking it up. The thing that's interesting about what you're saying is that those old classics, they were like big budget Hollywood productions, or at least I think of most of them. They were the best they could do at the time. They were very like big heavy production produced, like lots of, I mean, it wasn't like a board of directors. But the way just films were made back then made you feel like, you know, you could imagine that there's a bunch of guys in the desert and they're trying to get a shot and then they have their lunch break and they're like, ooh, it's hot out here. And newer movies is like, I don't know, it just feels like, I just imagine the color gray and then a computer screen. I just seize up, I don't like it. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Something that fascinates me, there's a lot of different reasons, just as there are a lot of different reasons for a movie to be made or any product to be made, there's a lot of different reasons a sequel could be made. And I think a lot of what makes it good or bad will depend on why it's happening. Totally. And there's some that people make, because it's like, yeah, I just have more ideas. I have another good idea with this world and character, so let's make a sequel and those are probably gonna be the better ones. And then there's the ones where it's like, the show just needs to have a sequel, because it has to have one. Back to the future, one, two and three are examples of that. They had to be done, because they left it deliberately open and they did not give you the answers. No, that's not what I mean. That's more of like, that's more they had more ideas. They left it open because they knew they could make another. Something like Assassin's Creed, where it's like, it's a new year, we have to make a new Assassin's Creed. Sort of like that, the example I'm gonna use is fucking Psycho Pass, because Psycho Pass 2 is horrible. It is absolutely abysmal. And the only reason I think that Psycho Pass 2 exists is because they were making a Psycho Pass movie and they wanted to keep the hype up for it. So like, the Psycho Pass original TV show, like leading up to the film, first they re-ran the TV show as hour long episodes. Like they re-cut it, they put each two episodes into one and they added in some like little extra scenes. And they made it like a re-run of the show to get people hype. Then they made a sequel to keep that hype going and then the movie came out like right after the second season was over. So it was like all this build up to hype this movie. And all the people who made the original show were working on the movie. So in the meantime, oh we need a sequel but you guys are busy, so let's hire on some other folks who don't understand the story at all. Let's work on Dark Souls 2 while they make Bloodborne, yeah! Exactly, exactly. There has to be a sequel but they don't have the right people to do it. So it's just born out of their needs to be one. And that's where you're going to get the people who don't understand the fundamental artistic intent like Dark Souls 2 where their mentality was, Dark Souls is a hard game, let's make a hard game. They're putting a million enemies behind this one door that there's no way to fucking defeat at all. That's the difference between people who see these things as a piece of art and people who see it as a product to be sold. Because the people who like the art they're going to sit down and be like okay I understand why this exists and I know what the vision behind it is and then you have people in like corporate who are just like well we got to make our money for quarter four and we're going to release this then and blah blah blah. A smart creator knows that the corporate entity is a part of it and you can't just say oh I'm an artist and I have my vision and it must just be one thing. I think like if you're going to be a smart boy and you're going to make things, you're going to write stories, you're going to make movies you should always have in the back of your mind written down somewhere like sequel baits that in case you're forced to make a sequel you have something. You never like plan for it to exist it's just like as a backup because then you can have both. You can be an artistic genius boy and you can make money. You're very right. It's really a delicate balance. I recommend everybody if you're trying to be a screenwriter or do anything that will involve you in the corporate world of like creating listen to everything Max Landis ever says because he is extremely good at explaining that world and his place in it and he has the mindset that Hippo's describing here the dude's written over a hundred movies like he just constantly has more ideas for like if they won't take this one here's a slightly different version or like here's my ideas for if I have to make a sequel here's my ideas for this and that he's just got so many different contingencies for if it works because you can't be precious about your work if you want to sell it, especially in Hollywood. So on this subject though what's interesting is so one of the most beloved sequels of all time you may have heard of it is Godfather 2 and Godfather 2 was famous because it was the first sequel ever to win the Oscar for best picture and that was quite a noteworthy event and what's especially interesting about it was that like as you'd expect so the Godfather one was based on a book by some Dimitri Puzo or something yes some guy who had written a book and then they adapted it and obviously that's where kind of Mario Puzo that's it and Francis Ford Coppola directed it and that was a beloved project actually Coppola was actually put on it by a studio he didn't even want to do it at first and there was a lot of whatever bullshitting going on but it eventually turned out to be a great product and so once Godfather 1 was such a success it was a studio request that they go on and make Godfather 2 and like so he was not at all prepared to do Godfather 2 and there was like no there was nothing prepared for it like it's just that the people working on the project just happened to be so fucking good at making movies and I actually think Godfather 1 is like kind of vastly superior to Godfather 2 but a lot of people love Godfather 2 and I do for the most part as well because I'm a big aficionado with the Godfather movies in case you can't tell so ultimately like this is a situation where people were totally unprepared it was just studio desire to make a sequel that had them do it because Coppola had no desire to do one initially just because the movie was such a fucking huge success that they made it and yet they just happened to get like enough brilliant people working on it Coppola and I believe Puzo came back and wrote the screenplay for it as well that they just put together something that the people fucking loved and so like so it can be done it can be done you know kind of that's the same story of how the Madoka movies got made oh yeah where like Madoka Magica was just such a huge success that they came and we're like do you happen to have any ideas for a sequel and he was like I guess he made a movie that was the devil you guys he made possibly the most divisive anime movie that I could think of personally I'm in the I fucking hate it camp but there's definitely a camp that absolutely adores that movie I enjoyed it dude that opening scene of them eating the cake monster the fanservice is great so fucking tight I like that movie I don't give a fuck here's an idea I want us to do around Robin here word and each of us talk about one sequel we absolutely hate or or are fascinated with in that it is bad and one that we absolutely love great fantastic fascinated with this rightness so we'll start with bad ones I've got to talk about because I've been this is something I experienced recently the lost planet games have any of you played lost planet played so a little bit of it but are they don't like dino crisis crisis no okay never mind it's a series of capcom games that was for the Xbox 360 the first game was like a launch title for the 360 and the first game is basically like an arcade over the person shooter game like basically you're on this planet of ice and you run around and you shoot like giant bug monsters and there's lots of mechs you can pilot and you fight lots of like basically just you pilot and you fight other mechs and monsters and it's really cool it's like five hours long it's a fun game but there's a lot of ways that it obviously could have been improved with the sequel like it's it's pretty small it was obviously like testing the hardware because it was like one of the first games for the console so like the biggest strengths that the game has are that everything's really big everything's very vertical you can like climb any surface with a grappling hook and stuff but not actually any surface so that would have been an improvement make it so you can climb any surface even bigger levels even bigger monsters more variety and choice because it's very linear there's a lot of obvious ways the game could be improved so they make a sequel and in the sequel because co-op games were all the rage at the time they just completely retool the game to be a co-op game and even though they retain all of like the weapons and controls and monsters from the previous game the level design is nothing like the first game's level design and it's not really built in a way that works with the mechanics like it's built to be they just took the mechanics of lost planet and put them in a co-op shooter game but they don't make sense in a co-op shooter game so it's incredibly fucking frustrating and broken like it's a game that has some good ideas and moments where it kind of works but like it's just not it shouldn't have been done like it was not the right IP to transform into a co-op game and so it got pretty lukewarm reviews and it didn't sell as well as the first game so then they make Lost Planet 3 and instead of making a game Capcom just outsources it to some other studio this studio here's everything I know about this studio they've made six games and if you go to the Wikipedia page all it says about them is they are known for having a 56 average on metacritic and what company is this I don't remember what it's called but like all they've made is shitty games every single one of them has a below 60 on metacritic and that is the most noteworthy thing about the company so they make a third game that plays kind of like Mass Effect 3 if no one with any talent worked on the game if it was just a boring piece of shit with no redeeming qualities Spark Unlimited Spark Unlimited I played like the first 15 minutes of the game I was like this is the worst game I've ever played in my life so yeah at that point the idea of what Lost Planet is is just completely gone and like so you've got this first game that I would consider like a strong 7 to a light 8 like it's a very fine game it's not amazing and you can so easily imagine a perfect sequel but it's not there the franchise is dead now because they ran into the ground what a tragedy I almost feel bad for game developers who are put on a project that corporate influence doesn't allow them to actually make the game to be consistent with the mechanics can you even imagine developing a game where you're not thinking about how to integrate the level design with the mechanics I can't even think about it but okay no matter I feel like that so like a paint by numbers because you're given the iconography the characters the types of things that need to be in there because of like let's borrow we have to have this thing and that thing from that game or movie and put it in there to link them because they're sequels and we'll do it kind of they're not thinking about building a game they're thinking about cash it in cash it in in the IP yes that too I can't really think of a lot of sequels that have disappointed me although I don't know what about jack 2 I love jack 2 but I was a kid at the time well that's the thing I was going to talk about because that feels like a spin-off because it's a different gameplay style in the same universe and I was thinking Mario 64 I wouldn't consider a sequel to Mario Super Mario World because of how different it is and I would also consider that like a spin-off technically like the 3D Mario's were a spin-off of the 2D Mario's because you can't really compare one you know sequel sequentially to the next the way I think of sequels would it change your opinion if instead Mario World was called Mario 4 and then Mario 64 was called Mario 5 would it change your view of it being a sequel I think the numbers thing is always hard-wired to think sequel because that's just a word associated with numbered stuff so I guess I might but if I thought about it I probably would come to the same conclusion because like it's about branding branding is relevant as to whether something is considered a sequel or not franchises are terrible I hate franchises I hate the fact that things in a franchise can exist I know there's a sequel that you despite Ratchet Future Tools of Destruction Oh yeah, yeah Playstation 3 there's a number of franchise stuff One of the Ratchet games from PS3 sucked I played all of them like last year one of them was really good one of them sucked balls it was the future it was the first one it was the first one it was future but there was one Ratchet and Clank game for the PS3 that came out like later in the PS3 that had it was like a weird co-op game that didn't play like Ratchet and Clank or something that is definitely a spin-off I don't know how much leniency I want to give to things that I would consider a spin-off I still just think spin-offs are gross I think of Ratchet deadlocked as a spin-off and that's actually a good game I don't even like that one but anyway Ratchet and also Sly Cooper they had great games on the PS2 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3 3 games on the Playstation 2 Ratchet and Clank went to Playstation 3 and it had another trilogy of games but because they knew they could make a trilogy of games the first game ends on a cliffhanger which always pissed me off because it's not a complete story and they're just like yeah we know you're going to buy all three of them so just fucking don't get the whole experience also it was just kind of shit in general it was under the impression it was like almost a vignette game it was only like 10 hours long whereas the previous Ratchet games had all been like 25 hours to get 100% it was really short the story was more stupid and the Playstation 3 shiny, shiny, shiny, shiny textures really annoyed me and you know lens flares and stuff but the Sly games Sly Raccoon, Sly Cooper, the gang the cool games they look really good in the Playstation 2 and in the Playstation 3 games they also look good the visuals weren't fucked and the animations were good it's definitely because it was a different studio but it doesn't feel good like a wit and story structure it's just sort of like someone who doesn't know what's up when you don't have the people there who made the thing and really understand it you see this with Tom Hewlett and the later Silent Hill games the soul is just missing even if it was never clear to anyone what actually made the games great something's you're never going to get everything the person like Tom Hewlett is like a self-avowed Silent Hill fanboy a fanboy is never going to fucking be able to recreate it it's always with the creative minds like George Lucas he needs to be there a little bit and it's a fool's errand to even try to recreate it just make something new that's the funny thing something I've grown to appreciate more and more the more I look at art and the more I know the backgrounds of it there really is a lot of art that could only have come from that one guy damn right like no one else on planet fucking earth could do it or that one team because of just the chemistry between them maybe maybe it was just at the boardroom meetings they had were so magnetic that it spawned this thing and you can't recreate that sometimes even they can't recreate that imagine if all of the PCP members had moved on and given their channels to people who tried to be like each of all of us and then the PCP podcast was like it would be technically everyone kind of but it would be not even not even slightly the same it might even be better but like it's just you need the the brain power of the weird guy it's true it's true Tom or Nate do you have a sequel that I've got something just to bounce off of that of the last point you were just begging I'll go into this and it's like like time and place is so important for this so like a game that I kind of like Final Fantasy 7 like a big theme in that whole game is like death and life after death and all of that was caused by Sakaguchi's fucking mom dying during development of the game and so they wrote it in they made it part of the fucking story and like it's a huge thematic thing throughout the whole thing and only because of the particular circumstances there did that even happen so like trying to recreate that is whatever pointless but that that's what brings me to a little sequel you might have heard of called Final Fantasy 7 Advent Children direct sequel to Final Fantasy 7 yeah of course and in a larger context it's the entire compilation of Final Fantasy 7 that sort of counts like sequels prequels side stories whatever the whole thing is incredibly offensive to me incredibly offensive to me in every possible way it's them saying that and of course this extends to the remake as well I hear all these fucking people chatter in a way every fucking day about how oh they're gonna have time to expand on the things they didn't get to in the original Final Fantasy 7 don't you want to explore don't you want to explore Midgard don't you want to I don't know remember what other things they wanted to put in unless they wrote them down exactly exactly only putting back cut content in maybe could fit in there but even then I wouldn't even want that necessarily maybe I'd look at a case by case basis but like it's been like 25 fucking years or whatever 30 years or something like everyone's changed massively from the person they were when the game was originally made like they have no business meddling with this shit somebody who fucking tells me Nomura is like qualified to remake Final Fantasy 7 get fucked yes I know he was heavily involved in the development of the characters and even the shaping of much of the fundamentals of the personalities of those characters he has no fucking business directing a goddamn remake of the game because he's not fucking smart enough he's a corporate tool and a drawboy and he has no fucking purpose here whatever fuck these people if ukulele has taught me anything oh yes getting the same guys to do the same thing still can have different results if the people change they can't help but change because time we didn't even talk about that right that's such a great point like the ukulele is such a great little it's anecdotal but it's a great example of exactly what you just said they literally got back the team back together but it had been like you said 20 fucking years since they'd made Banjo-Kazooie or whatever and apparently they just didn't have a minute I'm sure it wasn't literally everyone who worked on Banjo-Kazooie and I'm sure it didn't have the budget of Banjo-Kazooie and I'm sure like you know it didn't have the corporate structure of Rareware a bunch of guys fucking around where who's their boss who do they have to answer to at the end of the day it's like if you want to make a fucking Kickstarter rip backers nobody answers if you want to make a really like close as possible sequel you need both the artist and the corporate situation that they were in when they made the thing in the first place so they need the same sort of incentives another thing I think is you have to like keep striking while the iron's hot like when you have like 20 years removed from the original thing like people grow they change they have different motivations and stuff there's no way I could create any of the shit on my YouTube channel there's no way I could make the same thing 20 years from now like there is no fucking way and like even if that stuff ends up having like a huge impact on some people and they still remember like the asterisk where sucks 20 years from now which there's no way but like if that happens there's no way I could just make another like oh I'm gonna finally do season 2 after 20 years like no you know what a great example of this is for all of us none of us could make my little pony videos with the kind of enthusiasm we did that's a great example it would be fucking impossible because it's just a like it's not that I've lost the abilities I had but the mindset isn't there and it's just like the most important part this is so fucking basic and so many people don't fucking get it so let me beat into your goddamn skulls like just think about it people like fucking Nomura was the one who I believe as I was reading he's just a great example Nomura was the guy who suggested that Aris die I believe it was him like there was discussion about like they were gonna have a character die maybe Tifa maybe somebody else his suggestion is like she should die whatever and like it's been 25 fucking years or whatever like the man's a father now he's like a huge corporate he's so ingrained in the corporatocracy Obscret Enix this giant behemoth of a company which does so much more now than the small potatoes of making a fucking shitty JRPG series that nobody gives a shit about anymore you know like he is a different fucking man he's not a maverick artist anymore like you could argue that he was I don't even know if he fucking was but like people fucking change and I'm so fucking sick of people saying that like just because they've got Kitase, Nomura back to work on this or Grant Kirk and Hope or whoever to work on fucking ukulele it's gonna be the same shit it's so fucking obviously not true it pisses me the fuck off that people don't get it anyway fuck the compilation of 5 and 7 I will kill myself on the day that the remake comes out it's gonna be great looking forward to it okay let's move on you're gonna go full fucking Mishima top of the you're gonna fly like a helicopter into the Square Enix offices and just melt yourself on the desk of Nomura like it's gonna be good to no avail just as a symbol you know what the best set of sequels are for what we were just talking about it's fucking Five Nights at Freddy's all of those ones those are well received despite what people generally think of them as like a stupid fucking piece of garbage series they are actually like for the people who like that sort of thing they are great sequels and they continually like because of how first they're being pumped out they made like four months you got a new one or something it's ridiculous or something like that and it's like that they all build on the whole thing and it's like fucking there's a movie at some point I think yeah like this guy this guy knows what he's doing I respect Tom you got a sequel that disappointed you oh god I'm so fucking is it Metroid 2? Metroid Prime 2 that you were tweeting about dropping earlier today I don't I'm not a huge fan of some of the stuff Metroid Prime's doing but overall I give it I give it a solid 8 for sure it's not a piece of shit God what was it like 2002-2003 and I think I might have told the story before on the show but I was a young lad who had just gotten his PlayStation 2 like a year ago and I was so excited for this game to come out and I was an avid reader of EGM and so every month I would devil may cry too devil may cry too oh my god I played so much of the original it's like my favorite PS2 game I have not heard you tell that story I just figured it out let me tell you about this day I counted down the days I watched the trailer over and over again because the trailer was fucking sick and I loved the way the art style it was so good and you could shoot guns in two directions that's so fucking cool it was the fucking hype as shit and I don't have like money to buy games so I buy like one or two games a year and so like I made all my purchasing decisions from electronic gaming monthly I subscribed that I love that magazine and so I would always I've read every single one of them cover to cover you like the little comics with the two agents that was that magazine Sue and Chen he still makes those comics he has a youtube channel he does animations they're fantastic I follow him he's great so I get the month's issue where they are going to review devil may cry too and I flip it open before you read all the reviews there's a page where they tell you what the game of the month is and it's not devil may cry too and it was at that moment I knew something bad had happened yeah because the game of that scale it could have been like a 7 out of 10 and they would have made it game with it like it could have been legitimately a 7 out of 10 but they would have given it a 10 because it was that big it has to be like a real piece of shit they had run multiple stories on the game leading up to its release that's how I like my gun so hard over it this fucking misogynist gamer culture can't handle a strong female character like Lucia they fucking hate her just because she's got a vagina it's time to accept that girls can be powerful too you piece of shit oh my god but yeah I flipped to it and it's like 6.5 5.5 because they did they had 3 people review the games back then and it was like a 2 parade spread of just like this game blows nuts and just like jeez I hate I just I've literally I've never been the same person since that moment that was actually my first devil may cry oh dude I fucking dude it was the worst and then I remember my friend bought it like at some point later and so I played it in his house and I was just like in awe of how bad they fucked everything up and like there were some cool ideas in there too which made it sting even worse because they had a dedicated dodge button because like dodging was kind of like a clusterfuck in the original because you had to like hold down both shoulder buttons and shit and it was weird but they had like just a dodge button and it made everything so much cooler but like the guns were shit the feel was terrible like the hits were awful they changed the way the combo system worked and it was really bad did you ever go back and beat those games as a devil may cry fan I've beaten them all but 2 because I just can't get through it it's just so painfully bad why was 2 so bad like what happened in production it was not kamehameha he had nothing to do with it they passed it off to a new studio dark souls so did he come back for 3 yes I believe he came back for 3 because 3 was fucking amazing it's like dark souls you can tell that they knew that the last one was so bad they like kicked everything up to 11 if it is literally dark souls what was kamehameha doing during devil may cry 2's development that is a damn good question did he work on killer 7 I'm going to check I'm going to look at his shit I think beautiful joe is too long later resident evil 0 now devil may cry resident evil 0 phoenix write ace attorney trials and tribulations what the fuck voice actor for gado yeah either resident evil 0 or beautiful joe he was working out at the time it's probably resident evil both much better games than devil may cry 2 time well spent I'll give him that but yeah oh my god does the level of disappointment just it can't be described in words it was I that was when my child wait he didn't work on devil may cry 3 though that's not no he did not no he did not somebody else really so somebody else who worked on jerry I don't know I don't know it's deadly the spiritual sequel to that man worked on devil may cry 3 the same guy who did 3 did 4 then because like it's interesting you say that that man my favorite character I don't know what his name is the main villain of guilty gear that man character that man give you are aware that that's a character or were you just were you memeing no no he was not at all there's a guy now you know the main villain in guilty gear is literally named that man god I fucking love it that's my favorite thing about guilty gear by far rad con awakening I'm doing a lecture on the lore of guilty gear I can't wait I can't wait it looks it looks like 3 was done by a guy it was actually done by the same guy who did DMC 2 what yeah this guy I guess you just got a shit together Hideaki it's no and he directed yeah my cry 2 through 4 and dragon stock wow okay I guess they just like I don't know figured their shit out or something wow that that confuses the hell you know what you know what I kind of respect that I kind of respect that this guy like you know he pulled himself up from the from the from the abyss apparently he was only brought on to devil a cry 2 midway through development to replace an unidentified director dissatisfied by how their work on the game was coming together basically he had to salvage the project from somebody's dodge button I got you yeah I'm sure that's right absolutely we need you probably went okay this game is completely unplayable but at least if we put in a dodge button beatable this contribution it was just really fantastic atrocious but yeah that was my biggest sequel let down you know it's funny the first devil may cry I played was devil may cry 2 and I remember thinking what the fuck is going on I'm not gonna play this game anymore yeah you made the right call good series god damn it fuck devil may cry 5 when total gaming Brit I was gonna call total biscuit I'm at the gaming Brit I've given up hope every E3 I'm just like is this gonna be the year and it's never the year this is now the devil may cry cast we really what's what's each of your favorite sequel or one that's interesting in some way I got one sure all right go for it so my there's a ton of great fucking fantastic sequels halo 2 was amazing but but the one that I think really fucking blew my mind in terms of just like taking a good idea and making it so much better was zoned of the enders the second run oh yeah oh yeah that's absolutely can we just appreciate how fucking good that intro for that game is is that like they they build up this whole thing of just like oh the Jehuti is so much more like Arabic Arabic and it can move around you can shoot multiple guys and it's not just one-on-one combat anymore but they give you like 10 minutes aerodynamic aerobatic it's it's both you correcting Tom's pronunciation so so but the great thing of that game is at the beginning they just trap you in the shitty mining mech and you have to walk down a straight path for 10 minutes and you're just like oh my god please end me and then you get into so much fucking better and you're like oh my god and then you lock on like 50 dudes at once and it's the greatest and at the end of the game you get the fucking nitro cannon or whatever the fuck it's called oh my god it was the fucking bastard that whole that whole anubis fight was so fucking awesome yeah I gave fucking rules Kojima Productions zone the under three when I'm ready for it baby laying on me wasn't there a lost in concept about that or something there was a hybrid hero yeah it was like a thing that was supposed to happen but didn't I got to check that out again I forget the details every everything good I don't get I just made a vlog yesterday about how all my favorite gaming series are dead I have no leg in the race including the just like precious Dreamcasts and your Sega consoles yeah everything I like dies so I'm expecting all of you to die soon what is a good ongoing game I guess you don't like Zelda or Mario or anything like I think the only the only thing is Metro it's the only game that I still like and that like I mean I mean I just got revived yeah exactly two days ago exactly so now that I'm into it I'm sure primal bomb it'll be terrible it's not gonna be done by Metro Studios by some fucking what's the guys who did lots planet they're gonna be doing Metro Drive for us Spark unlimited or something yeah it's gonna be a shit show alright let me let me give you my favorite sequel of all time I've talked about it a lot but but once upon a time there was a piece of shit called gun buster and then they did everything right for once and made die buster like 15 years later or whatever now gun buster is fantastic and the fact that I like die buster even more or rather aim for the top one gun buster and aim for the top two die buster is just a testament to how fucking great die buster is so gun buster everybody it's the old ass Amino directed 80s anime about Amino what I say what the fuck did I say Ahiru fucking what's the man's name I know right whatever that guy he directed a piece of shit anime it was really good I loved it about being in space a bunch of sexy girls having hard work and guts and then they travel close to the speed of light so relatively gets all fucked and everybody ages and it's the best thing ever but then then his little deputy animator guy what's his name didgy director Kazia Sudamaki his protégé that's the word made fully coolie and then he made die buster and it was it capitalized on everything that was great about the original in terms of like continuing the narrative in an interesting way by continuing like how they were humanity has dealt with the threat of the space monsters post the black hole bombs you know eruptions some unspecified time ago and oh the fact they don't tell you when die buster takes place and then the ending oh my god and then as no no my favorite wife of all time besides Niko Robin yes did you know Kazia Sudamaki that director he just finally made another OVA like what's the OVA early this year or late last year two episodes called dragon dentist that sounds good I haven't seen it yet but I've heard it's fantastic but it's the first fuck because he's the one who's been fucking up these Ava rebuild movies for 10 years but he finally did something else in dragon's dentist it was originally the first you know the studio car animator expo thing that Mimi Mi came from the first one of those was the original dragon dentist short and they expanded that into a two episode OVA I think each episode is like 45 minutes long too I should watch all of those including the original well that's fucking dope that guy is a legend and I fucking love him and die buster is like the coolest, comfiest beautiful love everything about it anime of all time great sequel, great sequel it can be done everybody anti-sequel guy but like there are times when the stars align and people just do it right which is why I would just I would heavily discourage doing it but if you're somebody who's got like a genius idea and you're like no listen to me here's my proposal for the sequel I am going to use the themes that were here and artistically show you how I'm going to capitalize them and make them better than ever and more relevant and emotionally tie my story into that one and that's why we're all looking forward to Fully Coolie 2 it's going to be the best thing ever well Kazia Suramaki's not directing that I believe the guy who directed Psycho Pass is directing Fully Coolie 2 and even if he was directing it that wouldn't necessarily make me any well okay it would help a little bit but it's been 20 fucking years or whatever okay I'm done that's it die buster oh man Hippo you got one great sequel I've got a few like I was trying to think my favorite games just happen to be the first in a series but I do have one it's a Shrek 2 the game on PC it's actually terrible don't play any game of Shrek 2 it's a bad idea oh incidentally Davoo did map out a chart for us of the quality of the Shrek films over time which is very convenient that well see the problem with his it's the quality consensus chart so the consensus is that Shrek 1 is above the good line Shrek 2 is way above the good line Shrek 3 is below the good line and Shrek 4 is bottomed below the chart bad as well as Puss in Boots but the problem with this while this is the consensus the consensus is wrong and Shrek 1 in an abhorrent film absolutely untrue Shrek 1 is great everyone go watch it everyone go watch that's why do you not know the story hippo that's why I hate it just watch it all you need to watch that movie is the epic video on I believe a little channel called Gibbentake that's Shrek without Shrek or like Shrek until Shrek appears yeah it's Shrek but every time Shrek appears on screen the movie ends that's the one that's the BANG and the BANG of the outhouse opens and cuts to black it's the best I have like a movie one Lord of the Rings 2 Towers I think is the best Lord of the Rings film it's so cool I've seen it on TV too many times though that makes it a bad movie the personal problem dude what about the second one the Riders of Rohan the thing the first one is great obviously there's the big you shall not go across it smashes the bridge and the minds of Moria it's really cool the Nazgul the second one has the trees and the Saruman and the big attack and it's got the battle of Helms deep that's a big castle Helms deep is the obvious the most obvious reason for me it's hard to separate the three because I think all of them have strengths and weaknesses that have to do with the fact that they are part of a series to me I'd prefer to think of that as one nine hour story as opposed to sequels they're kind of all there's nothing significantly different about them they're all just the same story being told across three movies I guess but the way I've always felt is that the first two were when I was young and the third one took a while to come out and it had elephants and weird things and there's ghosts here I don't understand what's going on I didn't understand any of it I thought the Hobbit unexpected journey was good but the desolation of Smaug really kicked things up a notch that's actually the opposite I liked that first Hobbit movie but the second one I just gave up I still like it delete yourself yeah I've heard the third one where do they kill the fucking dragon at the very beginning of the third one which is why it's the worst because the second movie is entirely dedicated to hunting the dragon and it ends before they fucking fight it on a total anti-climax it is the shittiest ending I've ever seen five minutes into the next one they just kill it and it's just why didn't you just have the movie be five extra minutes because they know it's the worst one you're not wrong it kind of reminds me of in the Gurren Logan film adaptations of the show this is the most disgusting thing ever the first film ends at the point where Simone becomes a man which is a fantastic climax they compress the entire battle against Lord Gino which was like literally the best part of the entire show except for the actual final climax and they make a fucking clip show out of it at the beginning of the second movie what the fuck were they thinking what a mistake I thought there was like a super fucking well animated version of the fight with Gino in the second movie absolutely not like he walks down the front of his mech that happens in the movie maybe I'm thinking of the show then the show fight is fantastic it's one of the best points of the whole show but they fucked up in the movie trust me in terms of video games I can't really decide between Ratchet and Clank 2, Sly 2, Sly 3 and Ape Escape 2 so all of those are like really good I think video game sequels have a much higher propensity for being like better because you don't necessarily have to continue the stories and stuff and you're usually really tweaking the gameplay by the way guys I just wanted to let you know I'm looking here on the wiki for the hobbit films the total budget for all three films was $625 million for all three of these films that's not as bad as I would have thought actually for all three combined look at the cost of Pirates 3 that movie is like $350 million by itself oh my god you reminded me of Pirates oh the second one is not bad the second one is as soon as not Johnny Depp the second and third one are not great the first one is a legend and I love it the first one is amazing but I think second and third as like a sequence to each other it's a fascinating example actually because the entire Pirates of the Caribbean idea is based on a fucking ride at Disneyland and they made it into a movie so they just obviously had some good script writers or somebody who thought like yeah let's make a fun action adventure and then like it was the further corporatization as like those ideas dried up and then like uh Davey Jones or something fine do that and it was not as good I gotta watch them again watch the first one the first one's so good I watched it recently it definitely holds up but the Kingdom Hearts level does not hold up though I like it there's like a part in the third one I remember liking the third one because of how stupid and complicated it is and all the the crisscrossing alignments and like the stuff it is like oh I feel so smart this is the great Gatsby guys I'm really you really need a high IQ to understand the Pirates of the Caribbean 3 right very true 4 is way off get out of it I heard 5 was okay though that was what I haven't even seen it I just go I just watched it I thought I heard Jesse yeah that's what I was gonna say I think Jesse liked it so I've been just kind of combing through my favorites list and I've got two sequels I gotta mention the first one and this one I'm hesitant to count but it's Kaon season 2 and the reason I'm hesitant to count it is that it's just continuing to adapt to the manga it came out a year later it's essentially just a second season but the ramp up in production value for season 2 and just the way that it's so clear they were taking it more seriously is what makes like it's when you get to season 2 that Kaon really starts to feel like a masterpiece you know the first season is really good and especially re-watching it when you know all the characters it's a ton of fun but season 2 is where it gets like it becomes Kino essentially it's really interesting thinking about that as like an idea because like in real world terms season 2 is a sequel and you would think and talk about it as a sequel but it is just continuing something that would have been there like if you get rid of season 2 it's like Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z you know because they like re yeah let's continue to adapt etc what I'm getting at is like should a sequel be something that was not necessarily planned and then they decide to do a sequel that's kind of how I tend to think like if the manga is one ongoing work and the two seasons of the anime are basically the same it's just like for instance Food Wars is a show that's airing it's third season right now like if you watch all of Food Wars all the way through you're not going to notice a huge difference across the three seasons it's more like we're just doing another one you know like the last one was successful enough that we can do another chunk but it's all the same manga it's all the same story whereas for instance Ghost in the Shell standalone complex season 2 it's an original show and like while it's cribbing a lot of ideas from the same manga it's a whole new script that they had to create from scratch it's a story based on having made the first one so I tend to think of that as more of a sequel in Kaon's case like half of the anime is original content if not more in fact in season 2 almost all of it's original to the show because they're adapting two volumes of manga into 26 episodes of anime and like just adding in tons of shit and making it more cinematic so like to me it's not a sequel in the sense of like oh it's a different story but it's a sequel in the sense of the first season allowed us to do this with season 2 like now we can make it the show it was always like could have been like realized the potential of it which is kind of what we're saying video game sequels allow you to do so much which brings me to my second example Dark Souls 3 fucking I would even have said Dark Souls is a spiritual sequel to Demon's Souls pretty obviously and Bloodborne is a spiritual sequel to Dark Souls all fantastic but there is enough of a leap in style Dark Souls 3 is just straight up it's the new Dark Souls and it's fucking amazing I enjoyed it sorry I don't mean to interrupt but I just wanted to bring up something about that so you and I and Jesse did our Dark Souls 3 PCP a while ago and like we all agreed that it's fantastic and we loved it and that was even before the DLC came out that made it even better and I just wanted to ask have you seen I'm quite perplexed by like I see a level of negativity on Dark Souls 3 out in the world that absolutely baffles me and I don't know what the nature of it is but I see all the time rankings of like Dark Souls 3 like way below like above Dark Souls 2 but way below 1 and I don't understand why I think I could understand it if you are someone who plays the games over and over and over again because Dark Souls 3 definitely has less choice like I feel like personally Dark Souls 1 is like easy to just go back to despite having less stuff game feel is improved and like online play obviously is way easier so like there's if you're just talking about like easier but is it as do people enjoy it as much like there's always there's like when it comes to stuff like that where people play it ad nauseam forever it really changes their opinions of it it's kind of like how you have people who like anybody who has ever been ever a fan of League of Legends if they were into it for more than a couple years then their opinion of it is that it's the worst game ever made but they've played thousands of hours of it because like you can't you can't develop like when you're first playing it you're just seeing it for what it is like it's a fun game but like as you begin to see all the ones and zeros in the matrix and you really like analyze everything about it you'll find reasons to not like it and stuff and I think with Dark Souls that game just had so many weird things in it that you could do and so much sequence breaking that like you can play it over and over again and usually have somewhat of a different experience you know what though Dark Souls 3 doesn't have that ability in the same way but I'm not someone who's ever going to play a game more than once every year or two so like that doesn't affect me at all you know on that way I would see okay going the way I would see Dark Souls 3 is like the undertale of the Dark Souls franchise in that it's a great game to play through but it's I don't need to go back and play Undertale again like it's not that sort of a game but what's the Dark Souls of the Undertale franchise you know what Homestuck Act 5 which is what I was going to say is my favorite the best sequel to an act in Homestuck was Act 5, Act 2 that's the literal peak of which one we need to clarify this before this becomes the main comment on the video what you mean by I don't have to go back and play Undertale again is like after having played it five times right like it's a game that necessitates playing it over and over again for at least a little once you've done the stuff the gameplay is not something you would go back to I'm not saying in that way that Dark Souls 3 Dark Souls 3 isn't fun to play like mechanically it's just like I would love like just to play just running around and hitting things in Dark Souls 3 but going through the levels again is like yeah been through them in the exact same way every time you're not wrong yeah I did it because I played through it twice the second time just to do the big sequence break of like fighting the dancer first because it's easy with our new game plus but yeah beyond that like a radically like Dark Souls 1 that game kept getting better as time passed because you kept learning about new crazy shit you can do with it like that was what got me so hype about the game even though I hadn't even played it for a long time it was just seeing people like put together videos of like here's everything you can do before the gargoyles and it's like a crazy amount of shit you can do and he's like oh my god have you seen that streamer I forget his name who does like a challenge runs like every single challenge run possible like not using the left analog stick or the right analog stick to move the camera and like just plays the whole game like that or playing with incredible with the fucking rock band drums you know though this completely reminds me of a sequel that I suppose Dabuster 2 is my favorite sequel ever but only because of like the whatever doesn't matter but the point is I was going to say Kingdom Hearts 2 is also a tremendous sequel that is one of my favorite things in the world and it's interesting what you were saying Digi about like the whole replay issue of playing things over and over and Kingdom Hearts 2 is so fascinating because it is kind of the absolute most boring the first time you play it and every time you play it afterward it gets better and better and better because the core fundamentals of the gameplay are so unbelievably tight and scientific and calculated and perfected in that game that you've got these massive communities yes you're gonna have to like when we live in the same city you're gonna have to sit me down and like guide me through Kingdom Hearts 2 the only way I remember going to play it is if you sit there next to me and like explain to me everything about the game while I'm playing that's the only way I'll enjoy it I would be so thrilled to do that but I'll give you a quick tip the first time I played it was a friend of mine trying to force me to play it like the same way he sat next to me but he didn't explain anything because he's terrible at explaining things so I just sat there and played about it for four hours and he laughed as I suffered I'll give you a quick tip though that will aid you and anyone else out there who wants to get into Kingdom Hearts 2 and not suffer through it just literally skip every cutscene just skip them all don't give a shit oh thank you holy shit just do that that's the greatest permission anyone has ever given me for a game oh my god now I wanna play it and you will have fun you'll have fun one simple tip of not giving the fuck about anything anyone says in that game the man who did the full presentation on the story of Kingdom Hearts advocating skipping all of the cuts that's just his ploy to get in to watch that video the take away from the video was none of this shit matters that's why there's a time there's a time when a man is forced to face the reality of the human psyche and just say no one wants to sit through this shit we've just gotta I want people to play Kingdom Hearts 2 but I understand the reality that no one fucking wants to unless they skip all this shit you are legitimately a hero for that mate there are not any fans of a game who will tell you that it's because I've watched a lot of speedruns and the speedrun community they don't give a shit those people just want to get to the fun stuff and let me just give you a little taste of one of the fascinating things that you discover about Kingdom Hearts 2 if you dig past all this bullshit on the top there's a concept called revenge values as it's been termed by the community which is this thing where every boss okay so this is a huge difference between like birth by sleep and Kingdom Hearts 2 that the retards who love birth by sleep don't understand and it's that in birth by sleep like enemies never get stunned no matter what you hit them with they never get stunned whereas in Kingdom Hearts 2 enemies bosses specifically can get stunned all the times and this is what makes boss fights fun bosses can get stunned but they have this thing called a revenge value and it's specifically that when they're stunned if you hit them a certain number of times like 5 or 10 or whatever at that point they will immediately snap out of being stunned and start fighting again so it's managing the enemies revenge values in very particular ways that allows you to optimize the damage you're dealing to them and utilize certain strategies this is the most advanced way to be a speedrunner and calculate how to scientifically beat them the best while feeling like a Kingdom Hearts keyblade slinging god that's what makes Kingdom Hearts 2 so much fun find out this kind of shit but there you go Kingdom Hearts 2 anyway Tom what's the sequel you really like did we get to you yet? yeah I said Zone of the Ender the second runner oh right you went first I do have another kind of topic I wanted to bring up and see if you guys had any thoughts on this specifically deals with game sequels but I suppose it can apply to anything because there are some games that I really like the three examples that really come to mind are Devil May Cry Halo and to an extent I guess Ninja Gaiden but not as much because there's only two games in that series before they got chickened but like when you have you enjoy the first game and it has like a specific feel and then the sequel tweaks the feel significantly and then that just becomes the default feel for the rest of the series and then you kind of lose a little bit of what made the first one great because you play Devil May Cry 1 then you play 3 because 2 doesn't exist and the the feel is way different like you have the style system the way the combos work is different and then you go to 4 and 4 feels exactly the same and then you play Halo 1 to Halo 2 Halo 2 overfines everything it changes the way it feels and then 3 feels exactly the same Kingdom Hearts 2 is the very same way yeah I totally know what you're being so like do you guys do you experience that? what are your thoughts on that? because I definitely feel like there's a little bit that's lost in that transition sometimes I can't think of many examples where it's worse after like I mean in a game like Devil May Cry like obviously they tried to change things for the second one and it failed they changed things back to the first one but a little different and it worked and like everyone considers Devil May Cry 3 to be the best Devil May Cry so like even though I think 1 and 3 are both worth playing because they're so different like I think it's 3 is gonna be the one everybody loves and so of course they're gonna copy that when they make the sequel though it's almost a shame to not keep experimenting which Devil May Cry 4 does with Nero's grabbing abilities and stuff so there's still a I think Nero's way more fun than playing as Dante to be honest Tom I don't know if you've watched the gaming Brits like endless videos on Devil May Cry but you should you should yeah it's his purpose in life he just became a cooler person his main thing is he talks about Devil May Cry like you can watch his whole video where he gets into the franchise and then the video from a year later where he's like an expert in it and then you watch him just continually never shut up about it over the course of the rest of his videos to your point there Tom like I said before Kingdom Hearts 2 really did the same thing that you're describing that like Devil May Cry 3 did to its series and I always say when I'm talking about these games Kingdom Hearts 1 and Kingdom Hearts 2 are by far the best games in that series and obviously I like Kingdom Hearts 2 overall but even Kingdom Hearts 2 excuse me lost a lot of what made Kingdom Hearts 1 really good like specifically like the platforming challenges that you know you get abilities to overcome and so like there has been an abandonment of a lot of the stuff that made Kingdom Hearts 1 good even though they have at no point since you know since after Kingdom Hearts 2 have they reached the level of quality that Kingdom Hearts 1 or 2 was at so like and it does frustrate me that it seems like there's people stupidly trying to just recreate Kingdom Hearts 2 over and over again without like knowing how or really like doing the research into what made that game good and like nobody's paying attention at all to like what made Kingdom Hearts 1 good because we've all just moved on because there's like sequels and that's super frustrating and so I totally get the feeling you're talking about another franchise that did this and Hippo I'd be curious to know if you think this was if you think anything was lost in the transition here Ratchet and Clank because the first and second Ratchet and Clank games feel pretty fucking different the second game really refocuses as a shooter and all the ones from then on are definitely like that the way I see Ratchet and Clank 2 is an improvement on absolutely everything in Ratchet and Clank 1 just like and it got rid of no it expanded on the things that Ratchet and Clank 1 had like bits and bits of like the spaceship battles there's just two parts of that in Ratchet and Clank 1 and in Ratchet and Clank 2 it's now a mode it's like a mini game so I think that was like if that was the status quo for like the PS3 games that would have been good if all the PS3 games were like Ratchet and Clank 2 you're right about that but what the fuck about Jack like Jack 1 versus Jack 2 talk about a transformation isn't Jack 3 also a huge transformation from Jack 2 so it's not like the franchise just really Jack when I was a little baby boy and I didn't know what video games were and I just played them I had Jack 1 I had Jack 1 and then Jack 2 came out and I got Jack 2 and it was so different but I didn't know that sequels were supposed to feel kind of the same so I just thought it was cool and then Jack 3 came out and it was the same sort of thing so I don't really I don't know I think the main thing was Jack 1 was a platformer through and through it was just about jumping and jumping and jumping and then Jack 2 introduced vehicles, guns edgy like transformation sequences and Jack 3 also has those things I think like for the it's cool I like it I don't dislike it at all I want to jump into Tom was saying this might just be for video games but no it's definitely true of like long running franchises that this happens and it can be really fascinating for instance I think Dragon Ball kind of had this original Dragon Ball is like a funny little adventure comedy and then like everything since then is like epic I just had a huge conversation with my friend about how Goku's a terrible main character because of that transition I had a whole video about that he did and you know what's funny though is that that transformation actually wasn't even cool like in Japan that's just Dragon Ball like all the way up but then Dragon Ball Super it does feel like a very stuck contrast I mean they kept the same name in the manga but like Dragon Ball was supposed to end they made him multiple times the story behind Dragon Ball is pretty fucked I only know like this very surface details but like Goku was supposed to die and Gohan was supposed to be the main character after Cell and all the thing I remember was that the way Dragon Ball ends is very very similar to the way Dragon Ball Z ends which is like he just goes off and he's implied to have more adventures but he just doesn't want to talk about it and that's what Dragon Ball was going to be ending there but then he came back Hey does Dragon Ball end with Goku as an adult or is he still a kid he's like a young adult he's like in his 20s I remember him I thought he had his final fight that was the thing he had his final fight with Piccolo's son who we know as Piccolo like the great demon king Piccolo was like the big bad guy of Dragon Ball and he beat him and then his son came back and they fought in the martial arts tournament and then Chichi came and said you promised me we'd marry and then they went off and we didn't see the wedding in the manga but that's like now Goku's going to get married and that's the end of Dragon Ball bye so did he end with Piccolo's son on friendly terms I mean obviously we see how Dragon Ball is I know again Dragon Ball just carries they don't end on friendly terms they hate each other they start with Raditz because they're not their enemies he has to like recruit the thing was like a Goku like the son of Piccolo I keep thinking of him as that because that's what he is he came out of an egg he came to the martial arts tournament and he tried to kill everyone and Goku eventually beat him but then he says you know he got a Senzu bean he's like ah thanks guys I won I won the tournament finally that's literally canonically the first time he won the tournament because he still played by the rules right until the very end even though fucking everyone was evacuated and everything was destroyed but then he gave a Senzu bean to Piccolo and Piccolo was like and he just ran away so it's like it's implied that he will be a villain forever but he's he's like oh I respect you or something that's cool that's cool I'm trying to think of some more examples of this another one that is kind of like that is Ghost in the Shell just in that like the original manga is so much goofier than like any other adaptation of it like the original manga definitely has way more of a sense of humor and more like loose with its characters and designs and everything and it's like it's just more like a pulp adventure with like really hard sci-fi you are 100% right it's just that like in my mind I have them so partitioned as like different like real alternate universes as opposed to sequels but you're not wrong I mean some of those sequels we're talking about I guess all the ones we've talked about are more like Arise is obviously like different and then stand alone complex it's supposed to be a prequel I know it's a prequel and it's all fucked up it's crazy just the idea of how the franchise like if the original film had been more accurate to the manga's tone then I feel like it was not at all I don't know if it would have become a success but like whether it did or not that's probably how Ghost in the Shell would have been from then on not that the TV show is exactly like the movie or anything adds more levity in but like the fact that it even is such a serious military show like it's because that movie had set the press like that's what people identify Ghost in the Shell in Ghost in the Shell the major is way more informed as a character by the movies Motoko than the manga's Motoko like the manga's Motoko is just like a goofy like she is the best she's always got like boyfriends and stuff it's great I like them all she walks around and cracks jokes and like it's just way way more human is a literal sex worker a literal sex worker makes sex software it's great she's the best yeah well shit guys are we done are we done with the questions I think we can't we can't have a podcast about sequels without taking a stab at our good friend Mel Gear Solid 5 the Phantom Pain I hate you forever and that's the biggest disappointment after definitely cry was Mel Gear I hate you you fucking fanboys why can't you just turn off your brain and enjoy the sequel like the rest of us what the fuck let's get into questions student of ethereum says on a scale of 1 to 10 which wait I say a little academia little academia got em yeah enough of that I'm interested in this this guy just seems concerned for like concerned for us that's why I'm getting into this question Mikul Mann asks when was the last time you talked to your parents for me it was like for me it was like four days ago I talked to them for like a whole hour on the phone I don't talk to my parents that I can go like months without talking to my parents really which is not great but I have recently communicated with them over the fact that we're using too much data on our phone plan so my dad has like a 45 minute commute to and from work right now so like every month or so he'll remember like oh why don't I just call Digi while he's on his way home he doesn't call me Digi but you know right he calls you Digi Brony your real name oh I only want to know Nate's answer to this would you use your body for money not necessarily prostitution though I would argue that it's almost impossible for a girl to not use her body for money just as she goes about life greater answer that I ever could have hoped for alright here's what we can all answer the gobs ask what was the spookiest thing to you when you were a kid that could be a whole podcast honestly you're not wrong yeah that should have been the halloween one what the fuck's wrong with that well this won't even be out for another week anyway um spookiest thing is I mean like the rare occasion when I was a kid when I saw an actual horror movie when I was a kid I was much more susceptible to them so like I remember being young and I saw this movie starring Harrison Ford called what lies beneath and this movie it was sort of it was about like a wife with a cheating husband professor guy and like he was sort of like the murderer bad guy because like he had like killed the girl that he had had an affair with long ago so he was kind of the murderer and like some of the imagery from that movie stuck with me for years and really fucked me up like whenever there was like a darkness that I had to walk through I would imagine like Harrison Ford was gonna fucking come and kill me uh you know things of that nature things of that nature it was good similar for me uh I mean this is not when I was a little kid I had lots of like little childhood trauma like things I'd seen that like haunted me but like in terms of what made me afraid to go into the dark uh blood the last vampire with the coropterans oh really because we had kind of like a sort of a meme but me and my brother Victor because I saw the movie and I was like probably 11 and he would have been like 10 and we watched it with my cousin Boyd who was four years older and like we would play this game where if it was a dark night and we were all hanging out we would try to see how far into the darkness we were willing to walk like how far into the dark you willing to go before the coropterans get you essentially and like so like Victor would start walking into the darkness and then Boyd would go oh a coropteran if we don't go ah we run away um I don't think we were so young that we like legitimately thought coropterans were gonna eat us but we were spook we were easily spooked kids maybe never dealt with horror well by the way are these all questions coming from our beloved PCP discord channel yes they are if you are a PCP patreon discord yes that that thing given what spooked you as a as a kid this question is from the gobs by the way I I was thinking and there was this very what is the question was from the coropterans and they're back they're coming for you with that this one thing on newgrounds I saw this flash animation and it was it forever well I'll just explain what happens it's like a brightly lit kitchen and there's just a guy walking in there's like stuff on the TV and it's like you can see outside it's like dark this like nighttime it's just the window is black because it's dark outside and he's just coming in he's fixing some cereal just getting a gonna bite to each his little snack and you know he's just watching TV and nothing happens for like 45 seconds and you just sitting there is like what what is this and then suddenly out of nowhere because you know how newgrounds flash animations you can't like turn the volume you can't pause it you can't click on it you can't change the volume unless it's on like you're turning the knob on your own speaker thing so it was just an extremely loud monster smashes through the kitchen window grabs the guy and brings him out in like three frames and from then on every time I was in the kitchen and I saw that it was dark out I thought that would happen to me and I just stayed really far away from the window for like for like years because it was such a specific like normal setting and it was really tense and suspenseful I don't know what I feel like the guy would expect us to say just like clowns or like werewolves but it's just like no this very specific flash animation from a newgrounds.com scared the shit out of me I ruined Shade's life one time by showing him there was one of those it was just like a flasher or whatever they're called what's it called when you put like a sudden loud, scary screamer there was this one thing that was a where's Waldo and like after like 10 seconds it's a screamer and it scared the shit out of me so I of course show my little brother Shade who is 6 at the time this thing. Shade legitimately cried for two hours and it haunted him for years like in the way he describes it is that like up to that point he had not known what fear was. You taught of the meaning of fear oh my god like he legitimately like gained the sensation of existential dread from that because it gave him like a perpetual fear that at any time like the world could end or something like that like everything can be normal and then it can be horrible you know and like could he become like actually finding Waldo? I have no idea but I don't know if you even remembered that it was a where's Waldo thing. He remembered the screamer but he a few years later he became like really afraid of the apocalypse like any time we would like like people would talk about the end of the world or anything like he would get really freaked out that the world was going to end. Fascinating. Hey I've got a question from the Twitter here that I think is pretty interesting. Thomas not answered. Oh I'm sorry yes please. Yeah I remember when I was a little kid I watched a lot of sci-fi channel and I watched all the alien abduction things and all the like crazy fucking conspiracy theories about like aliens living among us or like Area 51 and shit so I was always terrified of that. I thought I didn't get abducted by aliens I'd like get like some like fucking thing because I already have a really weird phobia of like bodies and organs and shit so like the fact that like I get abducted like they implant something in the face of my skull that was fucking terrifying to me so even to this day whenever I watch that alien shit I'm totally fucking into it but at the same time just like oh god the government's watching me there's a spaceship outside my house. Fuck! Oh yeah that's aliens yes that's a good thing to be afraid of okay here we go. Also Simpsons Treehouse of Horror really grossed me out and I hate gore because of that. Anyone specifically they do love gore on their Treehouse of Horror they really do. They really do. It's specifically like the sound design of the gore it's just really like I hate horror movies because of the Simpsons. Fascinating. Well okay here's a question from at Lord Saiba by the way this is on the Twitter hashtag use askpcp send the questions out. Okay so it's if you were sent back to high school current age would you be a Chad or a Virgin how will your experience go think realistically current age? Absolutely a Chad. Am I actually 26 in high school because I don't think anyone's gonna want to fuck the weird 26 year old guy let's assume that it's your current like mentality put in your body at that age. Because as a woke adult you understand that like when I was in high school the reason I couldn't communicate with anybody or get late is that I just didn't know where anybody was coming from like I didn't understand what they were thinking or what anybody was doing or like what like how to take control of a situation or anything like that now I feel like with high school girls you can just walk up to them and be like hey suck my cock and they'd be like oh okay you know like it takes a little working out to it. I don't know about that. You may be watching too many anime. Just the way I've learned about how like people how people think especially young girls like 14 year old girls are literally all trying to get laid when they enter high school. They go into high school like if I don't get laid I won't be cool like who's did I have to suck to be cool you know. Yeah but like as a guy who has no social like you are socially anxious you're not just gonna ask some girl to have sex with you whereas a girl can absolutely do that and a guy is gonna have sex with them. Of course. So if I was that guy like now I just have to have the confidence to realize that the girls also want to fuck me. I think that's what I didn't understand in high school like I thought I want to fuck them they don't want to fuck me and now I realize no they do. There are so many looking back on it like obvious girls who are interested in me and I never did anything about it because I just didn't understand that that's what was going on and now I do and I'm like ah you mother fucker you could have had it all. There are only two things that a man needs to get laid and this is true at any age one is just sometimes you can just use one of the two one is just like the confidence to just go up and you know just put your balls on the table and say here they are sweetheart pick them up so there's that as Bill Burwood put it and then the other thing is something to back it up let's say you're like if you've got you're like the marching band and looking good can mean a lot of different things that kind of ties into a bunch of this stuff like really disgusting fat slobs can get late, Harry Weinstein I was the kind of the way I looked in high school is one of those like change the outfit and you've got a good looking guy but instead it was a guy with an uncombed hair that goes down to his knees and like shit facial hair and like wearing three different outfits that don't like parts of three different outfits. So much of this is incredibly simple like yeah literally get decent clothes get a hair cut and just like don't be gross. If I had cut my hair shaved my beard dressed in layers and spoke to a woman I would have gotten late in high school but I didn't do any of that because I didn't know better. It's complicated but social pressure is real. I don't want to just say that I would immediately be a Chad like there's unique pressures in high school and how to make this work. With your current mindset though? I have no doubt. Literally just transplant your brain into the brain of a high schooler like I'm sure you can get I think anybody could. Anybody over the age 20 could easily get late in high school. It's just a matter of keeping your focus being willing to play the long game when necessary and be cool, be cool. I mean I'm sure that if I had my brain and I went back I could have like actually made friends which is like the first step True, you're right. I didn't really have like a group of friends that were my group. I just hung up with other people's groups of friends and just stood around them. And it was always because oh I'm worried that they won't like me so I won't do anything or you know prone to just doing things and taking risks. So I would be definitely able to make friends and be maybe the most popular guy because I was like even back then I was kind of good at guitar. If I had capitalized on that I could have been the guitar dude. We had some guitar dudes that were very well respected in my grade. Sam and Matt. Davoo points out also don't be in an exclusively religious social environment that usually helps you. You're not wrong but if you can cut under that you're gonna have to rebel like ooh baby I'm gonna fuck you while God watches. You know? You can maybe make that work. Jesus Christ looks like me. I know Davoo. It's a typo negative song. I feel like I could probably have the social skills at this point to be a chat in that situation but I probably choose not to because if we're going back to our high schools because A, every one of my high school I wouldn't want to fuck anyways because they're all horrible people It's not literally you. You don't have to lose the weight anyway. It's your brain in your high school self's body. Let's put it that way. I don't know if you're a real fat guy. Did you mean that you were fat in high school and you've lost weight since then? I'm fat in high school. Significantly fatter than I am right now. I'd have to work on that but then also I'd probably be too busy trying to invest in Google and then I could be the chags and be fucking rich. How the fuck you get invested aged 16? I could forge it. I have a 28 year old brain at this point. I could figure something out of it. You put your piggy bank in an envelope and type... I'd be like, dad, buy Google! Buy Google! 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