 We're gonna do a little bit of Madden Science today. The Mystery Pack. For 8,500 training, you get one random pack. Pro Playmaker, Star Elite, Legends, Max Fantasy Pack, Campus Heroes, or a Soul Gold Plus player. I've got 400,000 training and nine million coins. We're gonna shred through these and see if they're profitable. I did this same video four months ago when Mystery Packs were literally 150 training. They were pretty awesome back then. I don't know if they've still got the sauce. Let's find out. 8,500 training. We start with a Max Fantasy Pack. I assume this isn't what you want. I feel like Pro Playmaker Pack is probably where you make your money, but let's find out. We're always gonna take the highest overall players to get the most training back. That first round was nothing special. 81, 80, 81, 83. This isn't much either. Well, you get three players on that final round. Now, rather than quick selling all these guys right now, I will check the value. 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Leon Dawkins, Fred Taylor, Juju Sherman, yikes. Third pack is pro-playmaker. I am confident that this is profit. But let's find out. 84 Jimmy Smith, 80 Rashad White, Devon Godshaw, Saus Gardner, 90 Vernon Davis. This is big time profit right here. 81 Shubba Hubbard and we end it with 83 Paola Malo. Now I'm gonna quick sell it. Just wanna look, 13,000 trading. That's not as much as I thought it would be. It's definitely profit. Gonna be a little bit more with that 90 in there. Obviously at any given time, if you pull a limited, that's where you're really going for. Get a campus heroes fantasy pack here. I don't know much about this pack. I think you get guaranteed campus heroes on round one and two. Looking for anything higher than an 82. 82, 82, 82, 82. Yeah, that's kinda how it goes. And these are just golds or better. Let me do get an 81. Not the strongest start. Star elite pack just depends what you pull. I guess that's not good. 83 Cam Jordan, 88 Evan Neil, that's nice. And then McCoy, that would be 4,700 trading. That's a loss as well. Every time I see a star elite pack and I see Jason Kelsie, I get sad. 91 Kenneth Murray, A and 90 Chris Hinton. And 85 Jaden Reed, that's a heater. 28,000 training on the star elite. That's a monster pack right there. Max Fantasy once again. First round's got an 85 Deontay Hardy. Josh Oliver, Brad Shaw, Bullard. Okay, not bad. Pro playmaker, that's what we're looking for. I don't know if it's guaranteed profit every time, but it feels like it. Let's see on this one right here, Paul Krause. Okay, this is like a historically bad one. So this'll determine if it's actually profit or not. Nick Bolton, so that's why I wanted to check how many coins I have too, because we will get coin quick sell players. So if we quick sold everything in here, it did not guarantee profit by any means. 2000 training, that's dog water. But you'd also get 57,000 coins. That's a lot of coins on that Nick Bolton. 85,000 training will get you 10 of these packs. Actually, this is my 10th pack right here. So we'll stop here, regroup, and take a look at what we've got after this final max fantasy. And then we'll just keep going. This first round is ugly. Randall Avila, Ryan Bates, Sam Williams. I think out of those 10, only two were true profits. Some were kinda close. We quick sold everything from that first wave. We'd get 56,000 training. So we'd lose roughly 29,000 training, but we also have Nick Bolton for 57,000 coins. So that first wave is definitely not profit. Let's go do 10 more. Pro Playmaker pack, I like that. That's a good start. Alec Ingold, Justin Mottabueke. This one's monstrous. 84, John Randall, 84, Jalen Johnson, 84, Strahan. 83, Gus The Bus, Carl Granderson, and Chris Boswell. This one is nuclear. I'm getting two gaked up. 15,000 training is nothing crazy. Certainly nice. Back-to-back pro playmakers, you like to see that. 83 Vince, 83 Grady Jarrett, 83 Van Ginkel, 82 Megatron. Drake London, Granderson, Howie Long. Kenny Moore, this is not one of the good ones. Probably 5,000 training, maybe. Star Elite. This is where we got our highest overall so far, which was 91 Kenneth Murray. 87 Mottabueke, 83 Devonta Smith, and a gold yuck. Max Fantasy once again. Starting with Strowman and John O. Smith. We'll take it. Vanessa Fenton, Newsome, Marcus May. It's not good either. That's kind of geeked up. I thought these are going to be crazy, but starting to think, these just aren't as good as they used to be. Star Elite. Redox, wait a minute. Hey, 90s, Josh Allen. That's a pretty dope card to pull right here. That would be 11,000 training on the Star Elite. Star Elite's have been much better than I expected. Those ones probably have the highest odds at an actually good player. Pro playmaker again. I was talking you up, pro playmaker. 90 of Smith, 83 Jerome, D-Hop, Danny Pinter, Olave, Darnell Wright. Now of course you don't have to quick sell your players. That's 24,000 training right there. You could individually sell them. I think on average, you will make more coins individually selling, but that's pretty time consuming. It is crazy to me that in 2024, EA doesn't have a competent companion app or even like a PC crossover like they have on FIFA. Now they do have a companion app. It's just utter dog shit. Gosh, it's just, it is very time consuming to build a team, buy players, change in and out your lineup, especially with how much lag Madden has. You'd think they'd have some potential workaround, but this is EA we're talking about. Pro playmaker right here. We have two more packs until we're at our second wave of 10. These have been hit and miss. And this one's a miss. Although I like this better than some. Not quite breaking even. Definitely need a pro playmaker or Star Elite. Oh, I think this one's gonna be negative as well. Over 10. Edmunds, Benito, special there. Dickerson, Charles Cross, Leonard Williams, Big Cat is a nice pull right here. I'll take that. All right, this is our final mystery pack for this second set of 10. We've now done 20. It's a campus heroes pack. Gotta get an 88 at least, or these are a wash. Start out with a choice of 82s usually. And you gotta get an 88 here. 82, 82, 82, 82, yuck. Man, 75 up here. That one was real bad. Second wave of 10 mystery packs, quick sells for 71,000 training. That wave was a lot better, but still it's a net loss of 13,000 training. I will say though, if it's that close, the mystery pack, if you're trying to convert your training into coins, doing the mystery pack and selling those players, it's gotta be better than doing these. Now granted, of course, if there's a limited in store, you have a chance of getting the limited. I've spent a lot of training on a lot of those re-rolls. And I finally pulled Nick Bosa after like, I don't know, maybe 500,000. Took a long time. I think might be smarter to go this route. We get another campus heroes. This one's got two 85s on the start, okay. Maybe the second round is only 82s. That's all I'm getting there. So be our third wave of 85,000 right here. These campus heroes are gonna get me in trouble too. These aren't too great, but at least we get an 85 there. Looks like the second round is literally just 82s. Star elite pack, got a campus hero. Mar 85 Davenport, a zero chill, 99 year of Smith, nice. It's a solid one, 12,000 training there, just a little bit of profit. Max fantasy here, 89 AJ Brown. That's really nice in this round, 7,300. That's the closest we got to a break even. You know what I will say about the mystery pack though, in everything we pulled, we only have one gold plus. There's gotta be such a low chance. Star elite's got a big legend. It's always a little blue balls when they do that to you. See that big animation? It's actually just a really old player. You know their campus heroes start with an 85, all 82s on the second round, final rounds, nothing great. Campus heroes are definitely at the bottom tier. I think Max fantasy and campus heroes are bad. Joe, you know what's crazy? I haven't gotten a single legends pack. This thing can have a legends pack in it? I don't even know, cause I haven't seen one. Must be really rare to get your hands on the legends pack then. Get a star elite with Eddie Jackson and that's like our fifth Gus Edwards. He is really in packs right now. Pro playmaker once again. Dude, I wonder if we'll get a legends pack at any point in this. Jonathan Greenard, champ, CMC, Theland, Sweat, Brady Jarrett, Robert Hainsey, this might be close. 12, 8, 40, that is profit. Nice work boys. Legends back, asking you shall receive. I don't even know if I want it. Like is this that good? Feeling is probably not that good. 84 Fred Taylor, 85 All-Star, 84 Wheel Shields, 80 Walter Payton. Yeah, like so rare for what? That was 2,700 training. Pro playmaker, this is definitely our best wave I think I guess we're going to find out. 85 Bruce Smith, 84, certainly get a 90 most feared. Alvin Camara, honestly a nasty card. 87 Hinton, 85, the Schwann, 85 Desjuan Johnson, 81 Carmichael, a playoffs player. Jalen Reeves-Maban had a great game. Charles Cross is a really good, is a really good pro playmaker right here. 18,000, beauty. And 145,000 training is our third wave of 10. We're now 30 mystery packs in. That might have been overall profit on that wave right there. Let's find out. Third wave, 66 items for 77,000 training. Once again, it's not profit. Honestly, we had some really good packs in that one. Max Fantasy Pack, three times in a row. Not looking good. 81 Will, money man, Zell. Okay, not bad. Dude, all Max Fantasy packs this wave. In an 88, I'll take it. Campus Heroes Fantasy Pack. Ooh, finally an 88. We get 88, Jordan Davis. And it's still all 82s on that round. At least we got an 88. Star Elite, we need a big one to save this. This wave is not looking good. 78, 89, Debo. We do need that right there. And 83, Henry. Take it. Absolutely. Our second Legends pack. Wow, not a lot of these. You wanna come up big Legends pack? 82, Humphrey, we got a big animation at least in 87. 88 Megatron, we take those. Ooh, a little bit of coins here. 87, Kyle Williams. 84, Deirdor, that's a nice pack right there. That's 7,850 training and 14,000 coins. It's actually a break even. Thought it was a little bit better than that. Star Elite pack right here. We have two more packs in this wave. It ain't looking good. Remondre, that's at least an 88. It is an 88, Ryan Neal and 84 Jack Tatum. Another Star Elite, it's gotta be big. Need a 91, 85, Deirdor, 89, Stingley, 82 Jones. And we end with a Star Elite pack. This one is Sean. 88 Jimmy, 83 to Sean, 71 Mike Thomas. This wave quick sells for 49,000 training. That's a big loss, 35,000 training. Now what I am gonna do is get 85,000 more so we can do a final wave and have opened 50 mystery packs. And I won't quick sell any of the players we just got so that I don't dip into the wrong bucket here. All right, the final wave of 10. Let's see what we can do here. Starting with the Campus Heroes. This one is the worst. Gold plus is the worst, but this sucks, dude. Cause you're, gosh, if you're not guaranteed 82s on that second round, then I'm just really unlucky or the odds are horde. Pro Playmaker on the second one. What I'm just so, I guess, sad about packs this year wise is like, look at how many packs I've opened. I haven't pulled a single usable player. The best player I've pulled is 91 Kenneth Murray, which at this point Madden is basically a useless card. I mean, yeah, you could technically get away with using it, but I feel like there should be a lot more 92s and 93s just casually in packs. Shit, there's 96 overalls in the game. Star Elite's got a Megatron Deerdorf and Stromberg will definitely take it. I do remember the days many, many years ago when you could pull just the most nuclear players and packs, dude, it was so fun. In the day, EA is always going to make as much money as they possibly can. Like there's just a fact, but they're like, there has to be a middle ground. 90 Darnel Savage in that first round and not bad. Good looks on the Max Fantasy. Second round is horrendous. Damn, that one had a chance to be a really good Max Fantasy. Star Elite's got a Vila, 91 Quay. Yo, this is about the best pack we've got so far. 2,418 training, that was a beauty right there. That's actually exactly what I mean. I haven't pulled a single 92 or higher. 89 Havnstein, 84 Trayvon Walker. Three more boys, pro playmaker, nice. Creed, Carmichael, Krause, Big Mac, DRC, Bakitaki, Buddha Baker, that's pretty mid. This is probably 4,000, 3,000. 5,560, all right. My guesses are not very good, but our second 70 plus is our second to last. No. Hey, it's an elite player, it's Julian Love at least. Nice, could've been worse. All right, our final pack, this our 50th mystery pack is a Max Fantasy. Needed to be a good one. And it's utterly mid so far. Has a chance to clutch up here. Daryl Taylor, Kyler, Keaton, Ernest Jones. It's pretty mid, it's pretty mid. At this point, it's time to quick sell everything and see how much we got. Keep in mind I did add 25,000 training there at the end to get another 10. So 425,000 training turned into what? Let's find out. First wave of 100 is 134,000 training. We pulled two coin quick sells actually. That's 28,000 plus the Nick Bolton. I must have schemed over that Jeff Okudon accident, but I am sorted by newest so he had to have been pulled. Now honestly, with how close it is to breaking even, if you do get just one nasty pull, like anything 92 plus are obviously a limited one available. Shit's gonna go crazy. Our second wave of 100, 121,884 training and the final set of 54 players is 57,923. One last player to quick sell is 83 coin quick sell Nick Bolton. So 425,000 training turned into 315,500 and about 80,000 coins worth of quick sell players. So obviously you're losing training. Actually an easier way to think of that is for every 1,000 training you spend, you can expect to get about 740 back. Obviously not very good, but there's no realistic way to turn training into coins. So I don't hate it. Especially I will say, you can scheme this a lot better than I did. Now for example, these mystery packs can give you a campus hero pack, right? We got a lot of those. Imagine I was opening these when there was a campus heroes limited available. You obviously have really increased chances to pull that limited in that pack. So this wasn't the most meta time to do this, but when the next promo drops, if they include the packs from that promo in the mystery pack, it's probably the best time to do it. So if you're sitting on a lot of training, could be fun. I will say I actually expected that to be a lot worse. That was pretty fun. Didn't lose too much training and we're chilling. All right, boys. Hey, I hope you enjoyed this video. Wanted to do a throwback to some of the videos I used to do many years ago. Just opening some packs, seeing what they're worth. Hope you guys enjoyed. I love you. And I'll see you in the next video. Peace.