 Good one today, Darius Butler, here to break down cold sealers and to defend Jeff Saturday and the whole time out. Thank you, question mark. We'll talk about that. We'll head on the big NFL storylines. He will name a mayor of Shutdown City, where there are any great cornerback performances, safety is what he got over at Up In Addams Show. Also, I need a new show to watch. I haven't watched a show since Game of Thrones and Veep back in the day, or Succession season two, so let me know at Up In Addams Show as well. And very excited about this. I've never met her in person, but we have Julie Stewart-Banks. I'm a big fan. And she'll be with us to preview the World Cup USA Iran today. Let's get it. The show, people. The best part of having a TV show is you get to sort of include everyone in your misery and your, you know, Google sourcing and outsourcing things. I ask about where to go in LA, where to park, what beaches to take my parents to. And I get answers from the great people who watch the show and are on Twitter. So I need a new television program. I keep seeing, as I scroll through things, this white lotus show. Anybody watch that? Uh-huh. Am I watching? Okay, I'm hearing a lot of, I like that in my ear. Is it, and it's two seasons? And Jennifer Coolidge is in it and everybody loves her. And here's my, is it a little scary? Nope. It's not scary. White Lotus, they all go to a resort, which is going to make people want to take a vacation. And nothing American Horror Story-esque happens. But weird stuff happens. Weird stuff. Okay, I'm into that. White Lotus, is there a show to beat White Lotus? Anyone? Is there a better show right now? The New Game of Thrones I haven't watched. All right, let me know. Add up an Adam Show. Put a poll. Then we'll ask Darius Butler. We'll ask Julie Stewart-Binks that. We have a lot to talk about on the show and lots of things to get to, including my underreactions. What are we not talking about enough as we paint the playoff picture for the 2022 season? All right, we have to talk about Monday Night Football. Came down to the wire last night. Steelers took down the colds 24 to 17 and they put any hopes of a late playoff run from Indy into serious jeopardy. And while Kenny Pickett really did. And we'll ask Darius Butler about this. He had some impressive moments. And we're seeing the Steelers team start to resemble the one we expected to see coming into the season. All anyone, including me, including you, including you at home. Debbie and Jennifer at the Watercooler at work. Chopping it up about this, this morning, this sequence. The brilliant call from Joe Buck and Troy Aikman is where we start. We are down to one minute left. Second and 17 and Ryan right up the gut. Died short of the first down and they have got to take a timeout here. I would imagine. But they're not. Wow. I would imagine they're like, what's going on? And then, wow, wow was right, Troy. Wow was right. The colds then ran what can only be described as a disjointed third down play that was stuffed. Finally then they call a timeout and then they missed on fourth down to seal their fate. That's if you missed it. It was gun wild and also wild. And a bit bewildering to me was Jeff Saturday's explanation of his decision not to call. You know, I thought we had plenty of time. I wouldn't really concern. We still had timeouts. I wasn't too concerned. I really wanted to, you know, when he was going down, I couldn't tell where they were going to start him from going down. Right? If he was going to get the first down and then we got there. I expect this to get on the ball and be and have another play a little bit quicker than that. But again, it wasn't a, this wasn't a press for time. We just didn't make enough plays. Brian, play the role of most guys I've dated in my life. And I'm going to ask you or ask, I'll pay the, I'll play the role and you play the role of me. Ask me, how do I do this? Why I didn't call you last night? Where were you last night? Why don't you call me? Ask me. Well, that, you know, Jimmy called me and then Jimmy said that he had a flat tire and then he didn't have triple A. So I had to go with him and then we locked the keys in the car and then the window was broken and then I couldn't tie my shoes. And it was really like, what are you talking about? It's like babbling. And I liked to have Saturday a lot and we're rooting for, you know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, when someone's like got, got and they're just sort of all over the place and their explanation of things. Because Jeff, the truth is you guys didn't have plenty of time. The next play call was a mess. Everyone was running amok, running around confused. I, I'm making light of it. It's obviously not funny. I love the Colts. I'm a big supporter. I think with this, I just wish he owned it a little bit, right? And maybe he does need to go back and watch it on film to sort of figure out what was obvious to all of us watching and that it was in fact a mistake, but not every coach has to, you know, double down when they make the wrong call. We know, we know you're new with this. We know you're new on that. Lean on. I'm new. I told you guys, you know, I, you know, I'm learning, I'm figuring it out. I would have liked to see Coach Jeff Saturday come out and say, yeah, am I bad? Am I a cult buff? Am I made a mistake there? That's a learning experience for me. I thought we'd be able to make it work, but clearly I'd have been better off burning a time out since we still had three left. Now I'm not a coach. I will never be a coach ever. So I can't imagine what bullets are like in live action down there, but I do think that the Troy and Joe call was one of my favorites of the year with that, with that commentary towards the end there. And the Colts, by the way, to make this big picture, there are three games back of a playoff spot in the AFC and looking ahead. That moment, we like moments here on the show, we're a big context show. That moment could be the one that keeps Saturday from hanging on to this job on a long-term basis. I don't think I'm being hyperbolic there. What are your thoughts up in Adam's show? Darius Butler on in a bit. We'll ask him about that, of course. And now it's time for underreactions, things that are going on around the league. And I want to start in New England. So lost in the Hunter-Henry drama, the kickoff return touchdowns, and another Kirk Cousins fourth quarter comeback was this, an absolutely brilliant performance from Mack Jones. Mack, incredible, shattering his previous career high with 382 yards, he threw two touchdowns, no picks, and made some absolutely gorgeous throws to keep New England in it. And I know this is New England and success is measured in these, which I have none, and in word jewelry. What a human, what adult human doesn't wear jewelry. I just don't. Rings and wins, that's what it is. And even Mack said all the right things after the game about not scoring enough points. And he said, I know that I personally need to be better, but I do think we need to appreciate collectively what happened and the way that he played that night. And I think it's potentially more significant than the result because the Patriots are going to actually make any semblance of noise this year in the AFC. Mack himself is going to have to keep making throws like this. All right, let's take a look here. Wa-wa-wa-wa, number 10, McCorkle, McCorks it. And what a gorgeous throw. Listen, and of course they'll need defense. They're going to need run game, play calling, all of that. And those will likely be their bread and butter, of course, but you're not beating teams like the juggernaut that is the Bills, who they face Thursday night, by the way. Or even the Dolphins and that speed and all they got. Or the Chiefs. You don't beat and take down those squads when meaningful games happen without getting quarterback play like that. And I don't care that they lost to the Vikings. I don't care. I honestly feel more positively about the squad and Mack if he's able to build off this performance going forward than I did before this game and before this loss. And of course they can't afford too many of those L's. Here's how it looks right now. They're trying to creep back into the right side of this playoff picture. I do think seeing growth out of the quarterback spot a little bit more important in the grand scheme of things. I don't think anybody in New England was expecting huge things this year, but Thursday night football, like I said, whoa, against the Bills. And we know that he's not had a great time against those Bills, right? Is that wrong? I think that's right. Except for the win game where he didn't throw it. Oh, yeah. That's fair. That's actually fair. Up in Adam's show with your thoughts there, guys. Let me know what you are thinking. All right, I need to call myself out here because I've been underreacting to what's been going on in Tampa. I've been operating under the simple assumption that they have one-time Brady and they have all of this talent and everything's going to be fine. And then Sunday happened. And there's clearly reason to be concerned about this team. There just seems to be... I'm not going to call it discord, but they're disconnected, right? Brady v. Boles. That's it. That's the marquee match up here down there in Tampa. And maybe it's Boles and the coaching staff maybe together. And the sequence at the end of the game really brought that ugly whitehead pimple up to a head. Like, it was not good. Yeah, and the ringer, we have here, Sheila Cappadia-Cappadia, summed this up perfectly, I thought. Here's what he tweeted. Fuck some of the worst pock management. You'll see game tied 17-32 seconds left. Three timeouts. Short screen first down. No timeout. Blah, blah, blah. What a disaster. So you're seeing the sequence here. It's just like how he wrote this out. But Todd Boles was asked about it after the game and here's what he had to say. You don't think about those things. As coaches, you make the best decision possible based on everything that's been going on, and you kind of go from there. We had not been moving the football. We had nine three-and-outs, so it wouldn't have been wise to try to call that one, so I made it. I can live with that, and I'm okay with it. So Boles' logic makes sense, but this isn't any struggling offense. This is Tom Brady, and that is where he shines brightest. If you go three-and-out and a force to punt with 20 seconds left, you're probably headed to overtime anyway. You have the greatest quarterback to ever live and breathe and hate strawberries and only eat avocado ice cream. You have Tom Brady. You have to give him the vote of confidence and let him go win that game. So what's going on here? And between that and then there was this earlier fourth and two where Boles decided to punt. You know it has to have Brady feeling some type of way. The good news is the Bucks still lead their mess of a division at five and six. We usually have Mark Ingraham on. We don't have him on today. We'll talk to you about the state of that division at some point this week. But there's a fracture there right now. Tampa's running out of time to fix it and heal it and get the, what is it, just the super glue, the gorilla glue, the, what's that stuff that, you know, this flex seal? Flex seal is real, does that have to work? Flex seal. They need to get the flex seal. Call the 100 number. Do you guys hear that? What's going on in my ear? Sounds like a plane is landing in my eardrum. Okay, we know. We know the Bucks have talent. We know that. And that's sort of what I was leaning on erroneously. And I'm never really going to give up. I don't think I can when Brady's involved. I just can't. But at some point everyone's got to get on the same page in order to flex seal. And I think we collectively are underreacting too. So we give it love on Up and Adam's show. And please treat us at Up and Adam's show. Let us know or myself at A.K. Adams or at Rissy. What is it? What is it? Be My McBride. Be My McBride? Okay, that's a little. I'm not in 2011. Why is your, why is your Twitter handle Be My McBride? Be My McBride. Be My, like, oh my God. Why did I never put that together? I'll change it to Rissy Minaj. Yeah, Rissy Minaj is good. Be My McBride. Literally I'm sweating from commitment issues. Hearing, you even put that out there into the universe. Be My McBride. It should be the most beautiful thing. And I'm over here dying about it. Okay, I'm allergic. When it comes to the Niners, let's get a clean cup for social media, right? When it comes to the Niners, the past month has been all about Christian McCaffrey, his arrival, him and Debo Shanahan, Kittle coming back and being healthy. And, you know, oh my goodness, gracious me. Whoa, horror, shock. How do we stop all these great players? And I think in the midst of that, we have underreacted to how good San Francisco's defense is. And Sunday's 13 nil, speaking of soccer, Julie Sturping, so like that. The win over the Saints, which has to have something to do with why Mark Ingram canceled on this today. It's got to. A nil, like a nil showing. That's like a... I can't come to the show today. You know what I'm saying? It's giving me those kind of vibes. Just giving me those Ferris Bueller's, my hands are clammy vibes. Okay, look at this. This is what I want to show, because this was this game, right? The 49ers defense leads the league in scoring D. Total D, run defense, and, of course, the highest percentage of three outs in the NFL. Now, guys, this is not to mention they haven't allowed a single point in the second half since October 23rd. You know what our show looked like on October 23rd? It was like a totally different show. The world has changed since October 23rd. Nick Bosa is making a charge for defensive player of the year. He's up to 11 and a half sacks this year. And can we talk about their safety? Hufanga, oh, my goodness. This guy needs to be a household name, and I think he is by now, right? Let me know how you guys feel. It isn't just that he ranks third in the league, four picks this year. It's that every time you put on a game and watch, he is literally flying all over the field. Peter Pan here and there, unreal. And I think he's really mainly the reason that shutout stayed intact. So if you look at, even just, I don't know what I'm talking about. Look at this play. Fly it into the... Oh, my God. He gets the ball loose from Camara. Poor Camara had such a bad game. It preserves the shutout. Flying, flying. Locks up the Niners win. Fly you go. Fly you go. Is that what you're thinking? Fly you fly. Na, na, na, na, na. He is absolutely... Hufanga transformed a secondary that's been this defense's Achilles' Seal, let's be honest, over the past couple of years, playing at an absolute all pro level right now. So I know we're going to continue to look at all the flashy toys. Shanahan has an offense, but D'Amico, Brian's, woo! Keeping this defense playing this high, number one defense in the league, and I've been saying it, and I continue to say it, the Niners are going to be the toughest team to beat in the NFC. All right, those are my underreactions. What are yours? As Darius Butler joins us, today, May, May, Mayor of Shuddy Town. We got our Captain Cornerback expert back with us. He is the Captain Cornerback now, and he is on the Up and Atom show, as always, weekly. He's, of course, played with the Patriots, the Panthers, the Colts' co-host of the Man to Man Podcast, a regular contributor to the Pat McAfee show where he kills it. He's doing stuff for ESPN, like, what are you not doing? I'm doing a little bit of everything. Not an F1 yet, just yet. But good morning, Kay. I have to be here. What would be the dream F1 gig? Oh, you know what? I'll be the team principal for Ferrari. They're looking for one right now. They just lost theirs a day, but never retired or resigned, should I say, after 28 years with Ferrari. Wow. So team principal for Ferrari. So what is that? The team, is it like the owner or the GM or the coach? Which one is that? We much like the head coach on game day, you know, going over strategies when the pit, different strategies, different this, different that, when we letting guys pass. Okay. We got to get you fully, we got to get you fully involved. March, new season kicks off. You think I'm not talking to Raffensperger about you and me going up to Monaco or Vegas or whatever? Vegas, Monaco. Yeah, all of them. Wherever, Italy, wherever. The furthest, the better. Yeah, Italy sounds great, Darius, right about now. How was Thanksgiving? Good? Thanksgiving was great. Great food, obviously great time with family. It has some good football games too. So Thanksgiving was a win all around. Glad to be back though. I'm trying to do this thing where I'm not just like ripping the bandit off and I'm trying a small talk, but let's just do it. Let's get into the Steelers. Go ahead, rip it off. The Steelers beat your goats. 24-17, Tomlin, wow. He had his guys playing with a fire and a fire really under picket who looked awesome. Does Kenny look like, evaluate as an analyst, Kenny Pickett for me this year. Is he the future for Pittsburgh? I mean, yeah. He's their best option right now. You know, you draft him in the first round, kind of middle of that first round. So you knew it would take some time and he hasn't been starting a full season. Doesn't have a full season on his belt. Still probably not full control of that offense, but he's getting better every week. These last three weeks, I feel like he's taking a step each week. And playing that quarterback in this league, it's about filling that pass rush. It's about reading coverages and then getting on the same page with your guys. And he got another young guy, George Pickens, who looks like he'll be special out there as well. Johnson's obviously a good receiver. Moves at the tight end position. Najee, so as long as you can get some blocking in front of him, I think he can continue to take those steps and hopefully next great quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Tomlin is such a good coach. I'm looking at the schedule for the Steelers. I like the team's dairies that mess it up for everybody else at the end. So I'm looking at this. Do you think this Steelers squad has what it takes to be a late-in-the-season spoiler or some division rappers? Look at that. They've got the Ravens twice. Yeah. Well, the Ravens, Ravens, they think five of their last six opponents and there's probably two of them, the Steelers, are losing records right now. And then the Bengals. Bengals are getting hot. I know you're hot on the Bengals. I see the white helmet in the background. Joe Burrow is finding a way to win. This is the same time they got hot last year. So I don't think they're really spoiling anything for those two teams. But this is a year for a picket to grow and just get better. And that defense is always going to show up to play. TJ White, High Smith, who really ruined the game for us last night. Yes. It wasn't so much Jeff Saturday as it was. High Smith just actually taking over on that last drive. So anytime those defense shows up to play, it still has got a chance. What did you make of Saturday? You're saying it's not on him. It's never all on one person. But the clock manager went to play calling during the last drive. I mean, it had Joe Buck audibly like, huh? I mean, it was a different strategy there, obviously. It could be a different strategy. What? I didn't mind it, Kay. And I'm going to tell you why. It's a hurry up situation. There weren't no rush, right? You snapped the ball with 30-something seconds left on third and two. You're thinking, all right, we got a good, a favorable look on defense. We hand this ball off to Jonathan Taylor. He gets the first down. We call a timeout with 30 seconds left. And we're at the 20-yard line with two timeouts. That's not a bad situation to be in trying to go up and score. Obviously, it doesn't work out. High Smith, that I mentioned, he makes a great play, makes a tackle in that play, makes it fourth and three. And then High Smith ruins that play as well, which we had a good one dialed up. We had a pick route dialed up to the left side of the Campbell, but Matt Ryan couldn't get it, step into it and make that throw. So obviously it looks bad. It looks horrible. You heard Jeff Saturday explain it after the game. And I'm right there with him. But when it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. You got to wear that hat. You got to take that blame as a head coach. And he didn't. He didn't, but I think he was a little confused. I think he was, I think it was all a lot. He didn't. He didn't say, you know what? That's on me. He said, uh... He was really good. He gave you his thought process. He was Micro Machines guy. He was talking back from those toy car commercials in the 80s. He was really talking a mile a minute on that one. But that third down play call, didn't that make things tougher on them? Yeah, I mean, yeah, if you don't get it, you know, and once you don't, you don't expect a guy to make that type of play at Highsmithy. He just... That backside tight ain't supposed to cut him off. He just dove in there and made that tackle. That's supposed to be a one-on-one tackle with Jonathan Taylor and the Nickelback. Sudden, I believe. So I like that matchup. In that situation, once again, when it doesn't work out, you got to take the blame for it. You got to take the hit. But he explained his thought process. I understood it, watching it. But I could also understand how, you know, Troy and Buck could definitely be confused in that situation. It's like that Peyton situation with the... Right. Time out, time out, time out, time out. But, you know, I get it. I get it. But we still ride with Jeff Saturday. But we're one and two right now. Yeah. Obviously our playoff hopes don't look, you know, they're pretty much dead. Yeah. You know, we're dead in the water right now, just like some other teams. But hopefully they continue to fight and build a coach with Jeff Saturday in there. I got to say, you're a great person to have. Like, if you get in with Darius Butler, like, he is so bright or die that, like, I just want to be in your inner circle because there's no... It was different. 10 times better. That playcon was a little different. But we still ride. You're talking about hot... What are you talking about? I'm loving all of this because you are for the people you are for. And it is aspirational. Really, I just want to... When people talk badly about me, I'm going to need you to have that same, like, yeah. What she did was a little different. And she could have owned it, but she kind of owned it. I was like... I just like the way that you operate. I want to talk about Green Bay here because this number was nuts. This 363 rush yards that the Eagles put up on Sunday night, they could not stop the run to save their lives. And Le Fleur said yesterday, he, quote, wouldn't even go down that road because he was, of course, asked about making a switch from Joe Berry as defensive coordinator. So, you know, this was another poor performance by the defense. What do you make of that? I mean, just tough. You know, obviously the Jalen Hurts and that Eagles offense, I mean, they're tough. They're physical. They came in with the mindset. We're going to set the tone. We're going to run the ball. Jalen Hurts had 100 himself in the first quarter. Any Sunday, any given Sunday, Jalen Hurts can be the best runner on the field. You have Miles Sanders who chipped in as well. Everybody chipped in. It's nothing worse as a defense than a team and offense just running that ball down your throat. I give up 500 yards passing before 250 on the ground any day because as a defense, you can't just go out there and suck for three downs and punt. Like you just keep getting ran down your throat play after play after play. They couldn't get a stop, unfortunately, but that Jalen Hurts led offense. They're tough. He's always accounting for that extra defender in the run game. So there's nothing you can really do about that. Did the Packers' defense look out of position and undisciplined? Was it more on that or was it, you know, and don't leave the eagle out of it? I mean, the Packers, they have it look great all year. They've underperformed all year, honestly. Tanner Hill, he threw for over 300, which is, I wouldn't say unheard of, but he threw for over 300 against him a prime time. And then the following week, you know, Jalen Hurts in this offense runs for over 300. So obviously it's something there. Schematically, they do a different front. They got a six man front. You know, you are missing some guys, but it's no excuse. There's no explanation. You go out there and play, especially in like, they're, they're in muscle-in situations, weekend and week out. At this point, yeah, they're probably got a 0.3% chance of something like that to make the playoffs. But yeah, it's a lot of questions, more questions than answers on that defensive side of the ball for Green Bay right now. It hasn't looked good all year. If you were the principal of Ferrari, the Dumbledore of Ferrari, you could literally drive your car and some of those wide lanes that were available for the Eagles. It's just true. They got beat up. They got beat up. And the Eagles are a physical football team, but that's who anybody's going to see. It probably won't be Green Bay in the playoffs, obviously, but, you know, Dallas has been a physical in the run game. We all know the 49ers is physical in the run game. So as these, as it gets colder, as these games starting to mean and matter more, that's what you're going to see. Teams are running the ball better than they have ever, I think, this year. I know a couple of weeks ago it was averaging like 4.5 yards to carry league-wide. I don't know what it is now, but defenses, man, across the league, the run fits, the discipline, being gaps, all those things are kind of at an all-time low right now. Yeah. Do you, do you think, great, great answer. You guys, if you have questions for Darius, hit us up at Up and Atom Show on Twitter. Do you, let's go to Tampa Bay now. I opened the show talking about Bulls and Brady and Brady versus the coaching staff. Do you think he misses Bill Belichick? Do you think he ever, be honest, do you think he ever misses Bill Belichick? I mean that was like the perfect Brady! Marriage. It was a perfect marriage. You had Bill Belichick who was the GM, who was the head coach, who made all the decisions, football management-wise, Robert Crafty, owner kind of stayed out of those things. And then you had Tom Brady, who was obviously a great quarterback but also a great leader and captain and took that coaching as well. So that's why they dominated for two decades. Of course you missed that type of situation. Now you did go to Tampa and have immediate success and win another Super Bowl with Bruce Arians. But when you have those, when you're around that type of football mind every day, they're just going over every situation, every situation that could possibly happen in every game around the league, every week, of course you missed that. But at the same time, you know, Brady's been around for longer than most of these coaches. So all these situations that he's been and he's been in a thousand times before. So whenever I'm putting a blame on a coach, if Tom Brady or Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers in that situation, I got to put some of that blame on them as well. So it was surprising to see, you know, Brady and then Brady led offense to fumble like that late. It's weird and he's not on the same page as Bowles. And I think the media world at large didn't think there would be a huge drop off when Arians left, right? The Bucks without Arians, Brady's going to run the show. He's going to be responsible for the turn, you know, for to continue the turnaround will be competitive and it's not really working out. So and you were with DA, with BA in Indy. So do you think that people underestimate what he might have meant in his role to this team? Maybe. And BA, he was, he's been around for a long, long time. And it's great. Of course, a lot of great offenses. Obviously, he's got his first head coach when Chuck went down his rookie year as a head coach. And then he went on to Arizona, went on to Tampa Bay. But BA, how he runs the team, how he holds everyone accountable, obviously his offensive mind. You definitely miss a guy like that. And obviously, Todd Bowles has been around for a while himself, second stint as a head coach. But it's definitely going to be some difference, some differences there with offensive game planning, with situational things, with a bunch of things. But, you know, once again, it's no excuses, no explanation, especially for Tom Brady, who, yeah, he's 45, but he played at the MVP level last year. You got a lot of your weapons back. Offensive line, definitely not the same. Still missing some guys, but they just haven't, they just haven't been together just as a full team. It's just kind of been, you know, out of sorts all year. And just like you, I'm going down with the ship that Brady's on. Me too, I cannot. So when he's, when he's washed, when he's done, I'll be wrong about it. Still think they'll win the NFC South this year. We're playing. But I don't have any, I don't have any serious and I are the violinist on the Titanic. We're going down with it, baby. We're playing it. We're like, sir, it's been great. It's great to be here with you. Everybody get in the life to life jackets are under your seats and towards the cold water. And we are down with Brady. It's true. Okay, let's go to shut down city. You know the drill. Pick me up in that Ferrari principle. Let's go. Let's go. Shut down. Shut down. We got another Philadelphia Eagle for his first time. He got put in there late for CJGJ and made an unbelievable play on Aaron Rodgers. Let's see. Blank and ship. His first time, obviously a shutdown city. We're making a big play. I mean, people don't get a raw like that often at all, especially on prime time. That ball would definitely be in the man cave. Number two, legerious Snead. Not legerious, but legerious. I read up here, baby. Legerious Snead. You know, the chiefs, they're rolling offensively. But Snead, he had a beautiful, it should be up on the screen right now. Beautiful in the section against the Rams. He's a ball. He plays inside, he plays outside. This is his first trip to shutdown city as well. And so is it for this guy. Emerson, Martin Emerson out there. What? Cleveland Browns against the goat. He locked up all game. And whenever you perform at a high level against the goat, Emerson, sir, not only are you coming to shutdown city, but you are the mayor. So congratulations. I'm looking forward to, you know, watch you build on that great ball out there, Cleveland. Let's shut down city this week, though, baby. Amazing. I mean, I love seeing all these guys get some of the Rams. The Rams gave the chiefs a game there. Snead interception, you know, I don't know. That was after a very rare Patrick Mahomes mistake. So that was beautiful. But you're making, Martin just got here. Martin doesn't even know where the 7-11 is, the bank anymore. And just got to town and you're naming him the mayor. He'll figure it out. It's been a lot of young guys in the inner city all year long. So he'll figure it out. He's more lost than him. Trust me. That's true. Those are the residents of Shutdown City. Darius Butler, you can check him out. There it is, Martin Emerson, the mayor. Legerius. Yeah. And Reed Blankenship. Yeah, Reed doesn't know what's going on. Reed's like, where's the post office? How do I get anywhere? What's the deal? What are the taxes in this neighborhood? We love you, Darius. You're on the Pat McAfee Show, man-to-man podcast. We will see you here up in Adams next week. We have to do drinks if we do pinks. That's the way it goes. Oh, shoot. 8.36 Pacific Standard Time at 11 a.m. here on the West Coast. Ooh, let's do it. I don't know what the music is. Weird music choice, but Iran versus US. What does that music remind me of? Like a Fourth of July parade? Is that like I'm picturing like a fire truck and a baton twirler. That's what I'm picturing. And that, of course, brings us to the World Cup, which is a few hours from now. U.S. Men's National Team taking on Iran for a chance at advancing to the round of 16. This is, I believe, a winner-go-home situation, but I don't quite know. So here to preview the big game, a woman who covered soccer for Fox Sports. She currently hosts her own show on Fubo TV called Drinks with Binks. Julie Stewart. Binks, hello. Hey, Kay. Thanks for having me. Cheers, by the way. Cheers. Yes, I have a football mug and I have a football mug. A football mug. It's appropriate. We've never met in person, but I'm such a big fan. And I'm so, thanks for making time before this huge game match. Well, I'm such a big fan as well, and we have lots of mutual friends. Yes. And I'm very honored to be on your show right now. So thanks for taking the time to talk to some soccer here. Let me just say, you deserve an award for hanging out with some of our mutual friends. I think you just... We'll save that for offline, yes. Very true. All right. There's been so many awesome moments in the World Cup so far. What is the one that sort of stands out to you? Mine was watching, you know, obviously I'm Polish, watching Lewandowski finally score that goal with my dad. Thanksgiving weekend was awesome. Well, that, I mean, for you guys to share that, that's incredible. And for me, I'm Canadian. So I got a chance to see Canada in the World Cup for the first time in my lifetime. There's been 36 years and just the feeling I had watching the Canadian National Anthem at a Canadian bar in New York City was unlike anything else because we've only ever done that for hockey pretty much. And so seeing in the next match, of course, it was very difficult to watch them not be able to score against Belgium, but then seeing them have Alfonso Davies, like the wonder kid who's just one of the best players in the World Score within two minutes, was just, I was screaming here and then everything went downhill after that and they were one of the first teams to be eliminated alongside guitar. And we won't talk about that, but those moments were something that were just special to experience. What was the bar, was the hockey-turned football bar experience like at NYC? Oh, it was wonderful. I mean, there's a lot of Canadians here, of course. And a lot of them were cheering like, okay, get pucks in deep. Like, let's get them boys. You know, just like, and kind of just those joking hockey terms in a way. But there are a lot of Canadian soccer fans that have been watching Canada Soccer for years. And finally, it's like, finally, they got a moment to show the world what they can do. And then it wasn't what we thought. But it was good to just be able to see them there. It's so true. You just have to enjoy the moments. Like on the world's biggest stage, it's incredible. And that's what I would tell all U.S. fans excited for this match in a couple of hours here. USA, Iran, it is winter, go home, right? What do we need to know about this match? Yes. Yeah, really, it's do or die for the U.S. They got to go out there and that's something that has eluded them other than when they scored against Wales. They were unable to put at the back of the night against England, even though they played really well. And depending on what side of the pond you're on, the British went bonkers for the fact that they couldn't score against the U.S. And the U.S. sort of was left feeling like, maybe there was something we could have done. There was so many opportunities on set pieces. There were a number of opportunities for guys like Weston McKinney to score, but now they're against Iran. So we know that Iran just needs a draw to advance. They're going to play this game differently. We talked a lot about the fact that they're going to try to have this low block. They're going to park the bus, bunker in, play very compact defensively, frustrate the U.S. And then probably what they've done in the last two matches is being able to score late goals. So it's maybe taking advantage of the pressure from the U.S. to score early, of course, because then the pressure starts to build and then it starts to get in your mind, like, oh, no, are we not going to advance out of the group? We haven't been in the World Cup in eight years. And so anything less than winning will be really, you know, it's not acceptable for U.S. Is it a disappointment to not, is it not acceptable? But they didn't even to me, they just picked a storied team that gets there every four years and very close in England. It's seen as a disappointment. Yes, yes. It's not like Canada's like, oh, well, we made it here and it was great and woo-hoo, you know, whatever, yay, what a participation medals for everyone. No, the USA, one of the superpowers in all of sports in the entire world, they need to be able to win to a certain level of the World Cup. Just beat a run in this match because this is, this is a game you should be able to win. The fact that they were able to hold England to a draw and that they should have been able to come out with a win against Wales, this one is a game that you should win. If you can't win, it is going to be a huge disappointment. You have more talent than you're on. You, you have the ability to do it, but you have to be able to play this game right. In terms of putting goals in the back of the net, that's something that the U.S. has to be able to set up for. We don't know what the lineup is at this particular moment, but we've seen guys like Georena, everyone is clamoring for him to see more than, he's only at seven minutes so far in this World Cup and he's been playing for Brucia Dortmund. He's been healthy from what we know. He is a guy that can put the ball in the back of the net and create that magic as well as a guy like Brendan Aronson who's also been really good on set pieces and they had seven minutes. Christian Polissick wasn't able to find anyone in the box to be able to convert that properly. So if you have all this talent and you don't and you come up short, like that's, that's just not good enough. And so when I look at this team K, like to sort of make more of like a football analogy here, they kind of remind me of, you have a lot of weapons. So you've got a lot of running backs, you got a lot of wide receivers, but like maybe that's your Christian Polissick. I liken them to the Tennessee Titans. Okay. So I don't want to come around and get on my ear. Who, what did you say? I don't want to say Polissick is Ryan Tannehill. But like, you can't put all of your eggs into the Polissick basket. You've got to be able to have a bit more of a well-rounded team. And yeah, you named some other studs that could, you know score and somebody has to step up. They don't have a pure striker, somebody has to step up and get it done. And you see in an NFL teams that happens even if there's not one superstar, like teams have totally and had success. But if the guy isn't Polissick, what was the name of the guy that we should be looking for that could, you know, be the favorite to sort of emerge and put them on the map on an international stage. Well, right now one of the best players on the pitch so far team looks and how this team formation is and how they line up. We see that I would like to see Geo Rain I have more time in this match. He will likely get more time because based on the group stage, like guys are played a certain number of minutes to try to rotate them around because they're not just so overloaded the whole time. The U.S. has played pretty much the same starting 11 from both matches. So you're going to have to see who else has played Oh, Rob and Anthony Robinson Christian Plissik have both played 180 minutes. That's like unheard of and moose has played 165. A lot of these guys have played a lot. So we're going to have to see how where Halter manages this game. Right. Like you have to think about that because these guys aren't they just can't go the entire time. It's not like they have this on switch. They're going to start to feel fatigued at some point in this match. He is a very good option up top. So they have the weapons. They just have to be able to just put the ball in the back of the net. I'm still thinking about this. Is it viewed as a disappointment conversation? Because I want to know what success would be then from and I think a lot of this comes from winning. You mentioned the mentality of we want to be the best with always the best on any sort of competitive stage whether it's here in the U.S. or internationally. And then I wonder if this is tied into the success the women have had. Because the U.S. women's national team their winning culture of the last 30 years I mean we have four World Cup championships I wonder if that sort of given Americans a taste of of winning in soccer and I bet that that some of that disappointment would be tied to that. I ask you what would be considered a success for World Cup run for this men's team. It would be just get out of the group because I mean they could face Netherlands or Senegal but it depends on there's a lot of permutations on how things happen in this match and likely likely in this group going to come in second that means they probably play Senegal or Ecuador they could be one of those teams if they're able to will focus at the task ahead get out of the group and then win a knockout game that would be that's that would be very very successful good get into the knockout stages as well but if you don't that is a disappointment. Who's winning the World Cup according to Jewish stripping? Let's put you on the spot. I think it's going to come down to based on the brackets I like I like Argentina in particular even though they blew it in the first match against Saudi Arabia this is a different team and a different messy and just looking at the phrasing of him saying you know the pressure's been lifted off of us you know we've made peace relief all these are things that have been huge parts of messy's career and all the stress on top of him he left the national team a few years ago but then after they won Copa America this summer against Brazil in Brazil and they went on this crazy 36 match on Beaton Street and they lose that first match but they came back strong and seeing that like elation and their partying and celebrating after winning one match and that was against Mexico they feel as though it feels as though they're a bit of like they're a different identity and if you can get guys like Lartora Martinez to find the back of it he had seven goals in qualifying same number as messy so he's incredible as well Brazil is obviously one of the favorites for a reason but Neymar's not a hundred percent and they have a very difficult road to the World Cup in which they would be facing potentially an Uruguay squad Spain France Argentina like all these different ones on the way there France though France is great I gotta tell ya we're running up against the clock Argentina is gonna lose they can't they're not gonna even advance to the round of 16 like they're gonna lose they're not gonna draw against your Polish squad it's a showdown it's not a big match it is the biggest match in history they're going to lose Messi's not even gonna score it's gonna be awful and they're not gonna advance to the stage of 16 which is wild and if they draw they need help and if they lose they're eliminated so I'm so sorry I think if they draw they could get some help because Mexico is imploding on the inside right now but Saudi Arabia looks like a fun pick if you're looking for value I'm just kidding you like Argentina the best which I do love and would like to see and I'd like to see Messi get that for his national team it's never quite worked out for him and we're on the World Cup stage and then we've got you like France yeah well see for I like them be based on past history like there's never been a back to back champion since 1962 but they look good and Kylian and Bapé looks absolutely incredible so without Karim Benzema and a number of guys that were left back home with injuries like they look great and Olivier Giroud has found the youth that you didn't have in 2018 to find the back of the net so they do look good maybe they can break that curse is Portugal whoa whoa whoa whoa but I love that stars on stars Iran and US today at 11 a.m. Pacific standard time I want to do something with me before we leave we're going to have a little fun and we're going to play Phil in the Binks dream yes Julie dream guest on drinks with Binks on Fubo TV Oh wow wow Lady Gaga like Hondo P I love that she says this year for Halloween you dressed up as what? Oh I dress up as Professor Snape I think we have a photo do we have a photo oh there it is oh no we have a video oh yes oh yes great yes this is me on Halloween you know hot girl Halloween is being Severus Snape which was yeah I just went around the west village of New York and I went everywhere and it just it felt it felt right because that's that's what Snape always does you know around every corner that's what I need that that's what I need really to do up there hey hey way hey team USA throw some bows out there to there gets around bring your bring your bring your he should bring his invisibility cloak out there yeah and then you can figure out a way to you know I've never seen it. I was gonna say, I heard you talking about Dumbledore in the last segment. And I was like, wow, this is a Big Harry Potter show, I guess. Made it up. Okay, who's your favorite hockey team quickly to watch right now? Speed round, who's killing it? The New Jersey Devils, they're absolutely insanely good and that's pretty much it. All right, I love that. I was told by, I went on like a hockey show as a guest, don't know anything about hockey, literally don't know anything about hockey. And I asked them who I should root for and they said the Maple Leafs. And I think you're a fan of them. They said root for the Leafs. They're trying to like cause you. Robertson? Were they trying to just cause you like a lifetime of pain and hurt and just like, maybe being like a USA soccer fan, really. Or a Bears fan, Julie. A Bears fan. Best tip from your, best tip you ever learned from your improv class, quick. Respond to the last thing people said. All right, I will do that by asking you my last question. What is your guilty pleasure? I love cookies. I love cookies so much. I eat cookies every day. I love that about you. And give me a TV show that I need to watch immediately. Oh, if you haven't seen Only Murders, very big into that right now. Okay, Marissa says that I should watch that as well. Julie Stewart, Binks, good luck to team USA. And to you, you can catch our show, Drinks With Binks on Food Boats with Binks. You're coming back, so get comfortable. Thank you. You saved me on. Looking for a new TV show, Michael says it's only a few episodes in, but Sly is killing it and Tulsa King. Sly, Sylvester Shalil and Sly. Tulsa King, all right. I'll give it a shot. We'll be back. Dumbledore and Quidditch, and what else is the Harry Potter thing? Snape, who does this? I don't know, our show's over, goodbye.