 Good evening everyone welcome to tonight's common council meeting before we ask our city clerk to read the quote for the week Like to remind everyone that the election for the board of waterworks commissioners will be held at the September 15th Council meeting and anyone who is interested and being considered for that particular election Should contact Alderman Hanna president of the common council, okay? Madame Z. Clerk. Thank you the average human heart beats 100,000 times a day. Please make those beats count Thank you very much Call the 11th regular meeting of the common council to order. Please call the roll Born bulk Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Excuse Kittleson Clowness Meyer Montemay or Rindfleisch excuse Ryan Siric Vanderweel for hassled and Wangeman 14 present quorum is present at this time. It has all been my early is in the Pledge of Allegiance everyone rise I Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank You Alderman Meyer Approval of the minutes president Hannah Mr. Mayor, I'd like to Move to not only approve the minutes of the regular common council meeting, but also our two special council meetings Motion and second under discussion There being none all in favor say aye. Aye any opposed motion carries minutes stand approved Resignations attorney McLean Thank You your honor received a email from Tamina Zeb advising that she's recently moved out of the city of Sheboygan and Needs to resign from the international committee She indicates it was a pleasure serving on the committee and meeting all the other members of the committee Yeah, I'd ask for motion to accept and file so moved Motion and second to accept and file resignation under discussion There is none all in favor say aye. Aye any opposed motion carries resignation accepted Confirmation of Mayor's appointments attorney McLean Special committee on handheld mobile telephone use Alderman Mark Hannah Alderman Montemire deputy chief Shervin assistant city attorney Adams and Lisa Jamero all terms expiring 10 9 08 Signed by the mayor Has to motion to confirm motion to confirm second motion and second to confirm under discussion There being on all in favor say aye. Aye any opposed motion carries appointments are confirmed Next item on the agenda is or the proclamations is Jim Riesenberg here He Gave notice earlier that he may not be here. So I just wanted to double-check Is Elizabeth Giovanni and Kathy Van Dorp here, please come up throughout throughout my tenure. I've made it Point to say that there's a lot of things that I do as mayor that are really great and that really give me a lot of satisfaction This particular proclamation truly is one of those moments again. It gives me a lot of satisfaction Most of us do not get a chance to to be a hero Heroism can occur in many different ways to many different people at many different times but I think one of the greatest acts of heroism is when you save a person's life and Literally put your life at stake to save that person's life and these two Ladies here wonderful ladies did that not long ago. In fact the person that they save is here with us tonight Jennifer, would you please come up? this is a young lady who was swimming on Lake Michigan and These are the two ladies that saved our life that gives me great pleasure, and I have a proclamation for Kathy her sister Now I'm gonna read one and then give each one a proclamation Whereas on August 8th 2008 at approximately 11 40 a.m Citizen Elizabeth Giovanni and her sister Kathy Van Dorp of Crystal Lake, Illinois were in the vicinity of the North Pier And whereas there were five young girls who had been playing in the water close to the rocks at the North Pier when they began to get carried away by an undercurrent and Whereas for the girls were able to swim over to the rocks to get out of the water But the fifth girl was unsuccessful and was carried further and further from the rocks by the undercurrent Whereas upon hearing the cries for help Elizabeth Giovanni and Kathy Van Dorp utilized a rubber inflated raft to rescue the child They were able to hold her near the rocks and keep her head out of the water Until until officers arrived to help lift to help lift her out And whereas an officer at the scene reported that there were waves Approximately two feet high crashing into the rock and also into the two rescuers and the victim And whereas it was noted in the police report that it was the officer's opinion that without the assistance of the two civilian female Rescuers this situation could have been a fatal drowning Now therefore I want Perez mayor of Sheboygan do hereby command Elizabeth Giovanni Giovanni and Kathy Van Dorp For your act of bravery in saving a life on August 8th 2008 in the city of Sheboygan. Thank you Okay, we will proceed Next item on the agenda is public forum Madam City Clerk Okay public forum this evening is Deanna Tracy here Deanna could you come up to the front mic, please? Right there and if you could pull the mic down That we can hear you and I need your home address, please 1534 Martin Avenue in Sheboygan and you will have five minutes Okay, I'm here tonight to speak on the sex offender ordinance There are 204 registered sex offenders living in the city of Sheboygan not to mention the sex offenders that don't have to register Or the ones that already completed their 15 years past their crime and they no longer are posted as a sex offender on the Offender registry list in which 105 out of that 204 have used other names before I'm sure that number will go up if this is put into effect at least now. We know where they are There is no proof that such a move would make Sheboygan safer It has proven to be a negative by pushing sex offenders away from supervised supervision treatment employment, etc Sheboygan will be known for putting them back into prison which over Which are overcrowded instead of getting them the help that they need There are about 112 churches in Sheboygan not to mention the schools parks restaurants mini-marts everywhere you turn kids are hanging out They even do in laundry mats there ain't a block in this city where kids don't play at one time or another So this 2,000 foot law would make it impossible for them to return home to their families and their homes under their own names In some cases sex offenders are only sex offenders because for example The man is 19 years old and his girlfriend is 17 and she got pregnant or she lied about her age But yes, he is still a sex offender sex offender family still live here some own homes here some rent There are a lot of a sex offenders that have a hard time trying to even find a landlord that will run to them as is So it will be almost impossible for them to find one once they are confined in one area There are TLP houses that already are in the 2,000 foot area One just open at 14th and Erie two houses away from Burger King where kids hang out and kids also work there But sex offenders have to be released to a TLP house when they're released from prison Plus you are taking away their religious rights by them not being able to go to church Which a lot of them while incarcerated they find God to help them change for the better But the city wants to take that away from them their constitutional right of freedom of religion Yes, we do have to protect our child children But that should be the parents job watching over their own children not the cities That's like saying if one gets in the city to the city the city should be charged and fine for letting this happen the waiver that Can get to live that they can get to live where they are Can they do that while they are still locked up or do they have to wait till they're released? Then how can they be released to that address? Maybe to avoid other communities from so-called dumping them on us Maybe just put the 2,000 foot restriction on the ones that never ever lived in Sheboygan before to avoid the relocation Of the ones that are here But let the people who lived here before be able to return here because they are already Reporting to the supervision under their own names plus. We do know where they are at the present time Thank You Dana. Thank You That's it, okay Thank you very much Next item on the agenda is consent agenda 11 1 through 11 18 with the exception of 11 2 and that is an RO by Sheboygan transit Commission recommended filing documents submitted a Communication from Brett Fleming Requesting that the bus route be altered to bypass Ontario Avenue and approving the request I am referring this back to transit Commission pursuant to all the one box a request other than that President Hannah on 11 1 through 11 18 with that exception. Thank You mr. Mayor with the exception of 11 2 All RO's be accepted and placed on file and all RC's be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion There is none Please call the roll Bourne Bauch Decker Yasha Hannah Kittlesen Clowness Meyer Montemayor Ryan Suric Vanderwheel for Hassel and Wongamon 14 eyes motion carries communications and petitions 11 19 to be referred Report of officers to 11 20 to 11 31 to be referred Resolutions introduced 3 11 32 by all of Manhattan authorizing retaining outside legal counsel to represent the city in the matter of Jennifer be Risinger against the city and authorizing payment for said services President Hannah, thank you, mr. Mayor. First, I'd like to ask if we could suspend the rules Okay, and is there any objection to that? There's a motion to second if there's no objection, please proceed I would place the asset the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second all in hand. I'm going to ask just as a technicality here that you consider amendment to Represent the city and all the other parties listed. Yes, sir Is there a motion second to that motion second? on the amendment Amendment only only issue on the amendment only I'm sorry none of the amendment on the actual resolution Okay, could you please clarify that your amendment was the amendment is to authorize retained and outside legal counsel to represent The city and all other parties listed on the complaint in the matter of Okay Do you need a roll call in this one the amendment all in favor say aye? any opposed motion carries motion to Put the resolution as amended Mr. Mayor, I'd make a motion to put the my resolution as amended upon its passes second motion and second under discussion There Let me get you. Thank you your honor Does this then automatically get referred to risk management? Do we then have to ask and add it to this be referred to risk management? It's it's a no Steve There's another document. That's the summons and point that's on the agenda That's proposed to get referred to risk management Request here is to act on the resolution tonight authorizing routine outside console ration out for that It's got 20 days with an answer and the 20 days will run The next count Thank you. That was that was my purpose just to make sure this was moving along Quickly, thank you. Good point. Thank you very much. Okay, please call roll Boke Decker Yesha Hannah Kittleson Cleanness Myer Montemayor Ryan Sirich Vanderwheel for Hasselt Wongamon and Warren 14 eyes motion carries 1133 by Alderman Meyer accepting a utility easement from Sheboygan hospitality hospitality LLC To the city for sanitary sewer mains All in myer. Thank you, your honor. If there are no objections, I would like to suspend the rules Is there a second to that? Is there any objection then? There's not please proceed Then I would like to make a motion to put the resolution upon its passage Motion in second to put 1133 upon its passage under discussion There is none, please call roll Decker Yesha Hannah Kittleson Cleanness Myer Montemayor Ryan Sirich Vanderwheel for Hasselt Wongamon Warren and bow 14 eyes motion carries 1134 by Alderman Cleanness bow and Montemayor Executing an agreement with earth tech Acom to prepare construction plans and specifications for the north 5th Street in New York Avenue flood control project and to waive the competitive bidding processes for said services Alderman Cleanness Thank you, your honor. I'd like to move to spend the rules Okay, then I move that resolution be put upon its passage Motion the second to put 1134 upon its passage under discussion Just a point on it. The reason we really need to move on the north 5th and New York Intersection there because it's a large sewer project and it's about 35 percent completed and earth tech Namely Tom Holton at earth earth tech is very familiar with the project and this won't delay it We won't have engineers come in and study it for a couple months He can come right in and do it and there's a lot of people depending on this project And it's it's bendy laid somewhat and then we need to get going on it Thank you. Good point In the other discussion Alderman for Hasselt. Thank you, your honor just for clarification though just it sounds as though the actual Project will be put out for bid. We're just waving the actual okay engine. All right good Okay, okay, there's no more discussion. Please call the roll. Yes, sir Hanna Kittleson Clioness Meyer Montemay or Ryan Siric van der wheel for Hasselt Wongamon Boran Bulk and Decker 14 eyes motion carries 1135 by Alderman Clioness Bulk and Montemayor Designating multi-bank securities incorporated as an official institutional fixed income securities broker dealer for the city of Sheboygan Alderman Clioness. Thank you, your honor. I moved to the resolution be put upon its passage motion and second on your discussion There is none. Please call the roll Hanna Kittleson Clioness Meyer Montemayor Ryan Siric van der wheel for Hasselt Wongamon Boran Bulk Decker and Gisha 14 eyes motion carries 1136 lies over 1137 through 1140 to be referred Report of committee 6 1141 by law and licensing Recommending that beverage operators license number 7984 be denied based upon the applicant's failure to cooperate with the committee alderman wagemann Thank You mr. Mayor I would make a motion that the RFC be accepted and adopted Is there a second motion and second under discussion under discussion mr. Mayor the Subject involved Christopher J. Novak is mr. Novak in the chamber this evening Mr. Novak does not seem to be present sir The city attorney's office had a supplied us with a list of Information that mr. Novak had been involved in many violations many of them directly and related to the license But there were over 12 violations and so we sent him an invitation to appear in front of the committee to explain He failed to appear then the following committee again He was invited by a registered letter and again he failed to appear and the committee agreed that due to his lack of Cooperation with the committee we would deny the license Thank you alderman wagemann any further discussion There is none please call the roll Kittleson Clioness Meijer Montemayor Ryan Suric Vander wheel for Hassel Wongamon Boran bowdecker Gisha and Hanna 14 eyes motion carries Reported committees 811 42 by salaries and grievances recommended Budget in for a 4% across the board pay increase for 2009 based on the midpoint of the applicable class grade for all eligible non represented employees almond Montemayor Thank You your honor per request of some alderman. I would like this referred back to salary and grievance committee Okay, 1142 will be referred back to salaries and grievances committee. Thank you Ordinances introduced 10 1143 lies over 1144 to be referred matters laid over 11 1123 we will hold for a 1039 Please make that notation 1032 Resolution number 870809 by Alderman Ryan designating certain sites within the city of Sheboygan as historic sites Alderman Ryan Thank You your honor. I request that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion second under discussion There is none. Please call the roll Clowness Meyer Montemayor Ryan Siruk Vander wheel for Hasselt Wongamon Boran bowdecker Gisha Hanna and Kittleson 14 eyes motion carries 1033 resolution number 880809 by Alderman Gisha Clowness born and Montemayor Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2008 budget Establishing appropriation for municipal court building improvements and move Alderman Gisha Thank You your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call the roll Meyer Montemayor Ryan Siruk Vander wheel for Hasselt Wongamon Boran Bowdecker Gisha Hanna Kittleson and Clowness 14 eyes motion carries 1034 resolution number 890809 by Alderman Gisha Clowness born and Montemayor Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2008 budget Establishing revenue and appropriations for ISD customized training for the engineering department strict traffic enforcement signs for police department Training aids for police department from the Wisconsin Department of Justice and donation from the police department from the JC's Alderman Gisha Thank You your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call the roll Montemayor Ryan Siruk Vander wheel for Hasselt Wongamon Boran Bowdecker Gisha Hanna Kittleson Clowness and Meyer 14 eyes motion carries 1049 resolution number 90 0809 by Alderman Kittleson Authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute the consultant agreement between Humana Incorporated in the city of Sheboyan Alderman Kittleson Thank You your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage motion and second under discussion under just This is just the wellness coordinator just to clarify Through Humana. This is just in case we need to enlist her help for anything regarding our wellness program So that the contract is all in place. Thank you Any other discussion? There is none. Please call the roll Ryan Siruk Vander wheel for Hasselt Wongamon Boran Decker Gisha Hanna Kittleson Clowness Meyer and Montemayor 14 eyes motion carries 1050 resolution number 90109 by Alderman Kittleson Authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute the excess agreement virgin health miles program between Humana insurance company and the city of Sheboyan Thank You your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage motion and second under discussion Thank you This agreement is put in place to make sure that for the virgin health miles program that we all have our pedometers on That that program terminates after one year that contract is in place to to assure that That we follow that with the contract. Thank you. Thank you very much over any more discussion. No one gives you Thank you your honor I just stand to thank older person Kittleson for all the work She's done with this virgin health miles program if people come into city hall and they see these little Pedometers of the virgin health miles stamp on it. Those got out because older person Kittleson shoved him in people's hands and on their belts and and made people get involved with this And it's amazing as you walk through all of me seeing that all of them you see through the building Buildings so I just want to thank older person Kittleson for all her hard work with that She was persistent. She got me to work. She got me to wear one. So Okay, any further discussion There's none, please call the roll sir. I Vander wheel for hassle Wongamon boran Bokedecker Yesha Hanna Kittleson Clowness Meyer Montemay or and Ryan 14 eyes motion carries 1054 resolution number 9209 by Alderman Hanna Meyer Montemayor and Vander wheel ordering a hearing on the vacation and discontinuance of a portion of North 21st Street Located in Sheboygan and lying between North Avenue and Calumet Drive President Hanna Thank You mr. Mayor I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There is none all in favor say aye any opposed motion carries 1039 RC number 208 208 0809 by law and licensing Submitting the facts and findings in the matter of the quasi judicial hearing to be to determine whether the alcohol beverage license number 2228 held by Kev and blondies blue Phoenix LLC and beverage operators license number 6196 should be suspended or revoked vice president born Thank You your honor Your honor I moved to accept and file the report of officer document number 1023 and accept and adopt Report of committee document number 1039 Is there a second to that motion and second under discussion under discussion your honor? I believe the council has had a chance to look at the comments from the city attorney and also attorney cults are representing mr. Nighyce and I believe the the committee went through the proper procedure in in hearing mr. Nighyce and we went to a quasi judicial hearing I want to I want to just call the council's attention to a letter that was sent to Mr. Nighyce, I believe it was dated on May 1st And this is a letter that's sent out by the city attorney's office after people come before our committee stating that if a individual License holder wants to go to a quasi judicial hearing that whatever the initial finding was by the committee in this case It was 14 days that if they choose to go to a quasi judicial hearing and they are and the committee finds that there There was truth to the violation from the that were going to the quasi judicial hearing for that the penalty the original penalty could double and also go up to in an up to an including a revocation of the license So that is made known up front to the person who is coming before the committee of what the consequences are if they choose to go to the quasi judicial hearing and after The initial the initial charges were all stipulated to except for the final one Regarding an incident over at Club, Michigan, and we had the quasi judicial hearing on that matter and The committee was found that the witness from Club, Michigan was credible the the security person over there and Because of the violent nature of the offense involved over there And the very intoxicated condition by mr. Nighyce. We felt it was appropriate under the circumstances To go ahead and recommend a 30-day suspension and because of the fact that mr. Nighyce was in to see us just a couple of months before and had a three-day suspension voluntary surrender have his license The second offense took place just a couple of months after the the first offense and the committee was quite concerned that mr. Nighyce apparently did not learn his lesson from the first voluntary surrender have his license to go out and get in this kind of trouble again within just a couple of months the The committee felt it was appropriate for the 30-day suspension of both licenses And I encourage you to support the committee of this was a unanimous vote at the committee. Thank you Thank you President Hanna. Oh Thank You mr. Mayor and I really I respect the work of the the committee and I appreciate having that the time to review the Documents that was that was very helpful. I would I would like to make a motion to compromise and Go for a 14-day suspension of the license Amendment to the amendment to the to the motion Is there a second second under discussion? Allman Ryan you were next do you wish to speak on that? Oh my Ryan? Yes. Thank you, mr. Mayor I agree with Alderman Hannah on the 14-day suspension the the entire The way that the ordinances are set up statutes are set up regarding law and licensing It's it's almost anti Democratic that if you defend yourself you automatically get a stiffer sentence To me. I mean that's that's the way it's that's the way the rules are written So that's the way it is But the the original class B liquor license It was proposed that the bar license itself class B liquor license be suspended for seven days Before mr. Niles went to the quasi-judicial hearing to go from seven days to 30 days even though obviously the Defendant in this case is is is guilty of all these offenses go from seven days to 30 days to me is is extreme to say the least I I Personally don't agree that there should be a stiffer penalty if you defend yourself even though we might have everybody bringing everything to a quasi-judicial hearing and Have the law and licensing committee as a Full-time as full-time employees of the city if they're hearing quasi after quasi But you know might myself. I'll agree with the with the 14 days I think that you know, you know just to defend yourself to double the sentence. I don't believe that is is is very Democratic, but I will agree with the 14 days. I think the 30 days is far too severe And I with all due respect to the committee. I mean that is as I said before that is a very Extremely thankless committee to be on the law and licensing committee It's it's it's one committee It's it's the hardest committee in my opinion to be on you can lose more sleep over that committee than any other committee in the city So I respect every member of the committee, but I'll I will agree with the 14 days. Thank you Thank you, your honor before I can vote on the amendment I need to understand something in the stipulation from the proceedings of the quasi-judicial hearing Item 4 says the parties do not stipulate to the truth of the allegations contained in count 12 And count 12 has to do with striking an employee at club, Michigan And a disorderly conduct violation so if the if the chairman of the committee could help us understand What the what the committee came to what resolution the committee came to was there a striking of an employee? As per count 12. Thank you, your honor Thank you response That's present board. Thank you, your honor. Thank you for the question all of them both Yes, the committee did find that the the witness who was the security person from club, Michigan said he was struck in the face by mr. Nighyce and And then the police were called and I believe mr. Nighyce was arrested for disorderly conduct So he did he did we found that it be that it was credible the testimony at the quasi that he indeed he indeed did strike the strike the security person and Mr. Nighyce just to expand on that a little bit further Admitted that he was intoxicated and much of his memory of the situation was pieced together the next day after talking to his brother Thank you Please put thank you miss mayor. I guess then to my to my colleagues on the comic council. I guess The holder of a liquor license in our city going out and getting drunk himself or being an intoxicated himself and Striking the employee at an exotic dancer established in our city. That's too much for me I don't think I can I can tolerate that and I'm sorry if it has a damaging effect on his business That's unfortunate. I would much rather give the liquor license to a much more responsible liquor license holder. Thank you, your honor Thank you One more we have all the one walkman Thank you, mr. Mayor Alderman Ryan kind of paraphrase what I was going to talk a little bit about but If we allow people to come into a quasi judicial hearing and they end up with a sentence not much greater than the one They would have gotten if they hadn't Gotten the hearing our committee would be totally bogged down. We take no joy in Relieving somebody of their license for 30 days. We know this is an extreme burden on them And it's meant to be and as Alderman balk said the conduct of the subject in this case and the other violations that were involved and the Previous violations were so egregious that that we felt we needed to send a message out there not only to him But to the other troubled spots in the city too that these these things are taken very very seriously by our council And so I don't agree that we're punishing people because they're defending themselves We have to make the penalty serious or they would Nobody would just automatically voluntarily turn his license over they'd all ask for a hearing and As all of them and Ryan said we'd end up being full-time city employees and we're just having quite a judicial hearing so Thank you. Thank you And we have all men for hassle. Thank you, Your Honor I guess from my perspective. I'm looking at it. I agree with Alderman Ryan. What do you comment here that? This is a license. We're handing out for someone to legislate how alcohol is served around the city Not to legislate personal conduct even though drinking is involved and there's a loose correlation to it This did not happen at the establishment where the license was issued So that's where I have a personal challenge with it. I guess where do we draw the line if This individual is driving recklessly down the road sober as can be Another personal conduct issue. Do we do we affect his his liquor license as a result? I'm of a feeling that it's a little bit excessive. I think something should be done here But that's right. I guess right support Alderman Hannah's amendment that we move it down to 14 Perhaps even a little bit less, but I can live with 14 Thank you And I'll be welcome in second time Just to just to respond to the last comment Bellarmine Brasslet We only take these violations in consideration if they're directly related to the licensing activity If somebody is arrested for speeding on the street or going through a stop sign or even speeding or anything like that Of course that has no relationship to him being a bartender, but when we have a somebody who apparently Can't seem to handle his liquor and goes into a profession into another establishment and causes a Disturbance and in fact becomes involved in what turned out to be an assault the city attorney's Assistant city attorney considers that an action that's directly related to the vial to the license activity Because then it's hard to understand how he could remain calm and cool in his own establishment And it raises a great deal of doubt in our minds was to whether he is Worthy of having a license to just dispense alcohol. So there's not every violation is held against his license I mean, you know driving after revocation wouldn't be in things like this But if it's has something to do with the functions that take place inside of a tavern then we say yeah As a direct relationship to the license activity Yeah, thank you Next we have Alderman Ryan Thank you again, mr. Mayor You know if we do the math the original recommendation was for a seven-day suspension of the liquor license With this gentleman going to the quasi judicial hearing what we're saying today is a 14-day suspension That doubles the initial seven-day suspension, which is not bad policy I does keep people out of constantly requesting a quasi judicial hearing for everything But however, we do have to have that process open because there are innocent people out there So I think you know, I mean I by no means in defending the actions of this individual He definitely appears to have been out of line on this evening. So I think 14 days It's a doubling of the original sentence. Do I think that's the democratic process? No, I do not However, I will agree with that and I believe the council should also. Thank you Alderman Vressel Thank you, your honor. Just to clarify again. I guess my argument is that I don't believe it's directly related I believe there's an indirect correlation in that alcohol is involved in both Matters here, but I don't think there's a direct correlation to someone personally drinking in a separate establishment on the other side of town And how they're running their own establishment, which the license is applied to From what I understand as well on this individual He has a pretty good previous record other than these two instances in a very small window of time here So again, I respect the committee the chair and their decision on this But I just feel strongly that we need to tone back the punishment just a little bit Vice-president born Thank you, your honor I don't know where there where Alderman Ryan is coming up with this original seven days because When when when mr. Nighyce came before our committee for the first time on the serving serving minors violations I believe it was the recommendation of the Assistant city attorney for 10 days, but after hearing mr. Nighyce the committee decided to make that a three-day voluntary surrender Then after the second charges are after the second allegations Before it went to a quasi digital hearing it was it was 14 days going into the quasi And so I don't know where that seven days seven days came from unless I missed something and and I don't think I did But again going back to that That May 1st letter it was 14 days and it was it was doubled it was doubled up to 30 And we also had some concerns about the fact of this incident happening happening off of mr. Nighyce Nighyce's Premises however according to assistant attorney Adams, and this is not not Necessarily his ruling but a but he is of the opinion that and also other parts of the state that if you hold a liquor license You are expected to act responsibly not only when you're on your premises if you hold a liquor license But when you're off premises, so we did question that and committee and it was his opinion that This same ruling would take place in other communities. We just did not dream this up in Sheboygan. Thank you And we have one more all about thank you your honor. I guess I would just Reiterate Alderman Wongamans point about it being directly tied to the licensed activity I can't imagine why we would accept bad behavior that Think about how you manage your own life when you've been held accountable for something. Hopefully you will Go out of your way to tow the line and stay way away from the line in order to kind of earn back your credibility With people in the city or in your personal be personal affairs Whatever it is, but to go out a month later and be physically assaulting someone in the line in an establishment It's just like the licensed activity that you hold a license for I just find it very very poor judgment And it makes me question that that person's ability to manage a liquor license of our city that we we designate I question that person's ability to manage it responsibly in the future So again, I won't be supporting this 14-day. Thank you your honor. Thank you Alderman cleaners Thank You your honor. I guess the whole thing about a license to I guess that's the thing where you're giving permission to do something But you're also given a responsibility You get a license to drive a car means you can drive a car but you have to follow the rules of the road and be responsible with that vehicle and I was on the law and licensing committee and it is a challenging position and I was amazed that sometimes at the the lack of realization of that responsibility that people that appeared in front of the the committee and That they didn't you know realize that they had a dangerous Substance that they were that they were issuing out. They were dispensing this substance could do all kinds of harm in the in the Restaurant or bar or on the road when the persons went home And I think people need to realize what a big responsibility you have when you serve alcohol And it isn't taken lightly when you don't handle it well Thank you Okay, so we'll call the vote on the reducing from 30 days to 14 days We call roll Vander wheel For hassle Wongamon Warren Decker Gisha Hannah Kittleson Clowness Meyer Montemay or Ryan Suric five eyes nine nose Motion fails back on the motion to accept and adopt the report of committee and take File 1023 please call roll for hassled Wongamon Are we clear on the motion the motion excuse me, sir? The motion is the original motion that was made to accept and adopt the report of committee, which means a 30-day suspension Okay, and for hassle. I'm sorry For hassle you said no Wongamon, thank you boron bulk Decker Gisha Hannah Kittleson Clowness Meyer Montemay or Ryan Suric Vander wheel Nine eyes five nose motion carries 966 general ordinance number 420809 by Alderman Hannah rin flies Ryan Heidemann and Kittleson Relating to one-way streets and direction of traffic so as to add Merton's Avenue in the 1300 block as One-way westbound street and provide that all westbound traffic on this section of Merton's Avenue be required to turn right northbound into The counter road 42 and calamity drive We have Alderman president here Thank you, mr. Mayor. I move to the order ordinance be put upon its passage motion and Second second on any discussion All in myer. Thank you, honor. I just have a question. They've already done that on that road. It's already posted and So maybe somebody was ahead of the game I'll have a I'll have a talk with the appropriate person. How's that? Please call the roll Wongamon boron bulk Decker Gisha Hannah Kittleson Cleanness Meyer Montemayor Ryan Suric Vanderwill and for Hassel 14 eyes motion carries 1042 general owners number 450809 by Alderman Hannah rin flies Ryan Heidemann and Kittleson Related to traffic signs to change the yield signs to stop signs is north 6th Street and end court president Hannah Thank you, mr. Mayor. I move that the ordinance be put upon its passage Motion and second any discussion All the gisha just curious if this has been changed already to Rhetorical question Okay, there is no more discussion or comments. Please call the roll boron bulk Decker Gisha Hannah Kittleson Cleanness Meyer Montemayor Ryan Suric Vanderwill for Hassel and Wongamon 14 eyes motion carries 1043 general orders number 460809 by Alderman Montemayor Suric Meyer Decker and for Hassel Amending the municipal code so as to change the job code and job description For the fleet operations mechanic and police vehicle maintenance worker in the police department table of organization Alderman Montemayor. Thank you your honor. I move the general ordinance be put upon its passage motion and second under discussion there's All in bulk. Thank you, your honor just a question about because it's not on this piece of paper Does this affect at all where this person will be assigned for their daily? Will this move them back to the police station or anything like that? No, okay? Thank you matter. It's teal. Okay. Thank you All right Kittleson Thank you, your honor I guess I just have to say that I was never in favor of this change and I just I still don't feel it's the right thing to do So I will not be supporting this This change. Thank you. Thank you Alderman President Hanna. Oh, thank you, Mr. Mayor Essentially what this what this does this is nothing new with the location the the mechanic for the police department is Located at Department of Public Works This merely has him report to the department head that's there I just it streamlines the reporting and I think it's you know moving forward as a city as we look for Ways to smooth the organization. We're going to constantly look at ways to kind of take down those silos and Have positions and functions Located at the appropriate Departments and you know, it's the the police department is now appropriately a Customer of DPWs Alderman Ryan Thank You mr. Mayor. I I also oppose this. I don't I don't see Any advantage to taking a 19-year employee of the city that has been in the same position for all that time Assigned to the police department taking care of police department vehicles Now he is physically located at the Department of Public Works He spends his time bouncing between the Department of Public Works and the police department here picking up vehicles shuttling them back and forth Repairing them down at the Department of Public Works doing some light work out here yet To take mr. Daniels and I've known Dave Daniels since high school. I've known him a long time He's a man of integrity when he tells me something. I believe what he says He's a dedicated city employee has been for a long time This is supposedly being done to streamline the process or save money I've heard even though I've seen no no money saving here with him reporting to the Department of Public Works And no disrespect to the Department of Public Works and and to mr. Bittner and his entire department, but a Police car is not a garbage truck They're they're two different areas mr. Daniels does not only do the repairs on The repair on police cars. He builds the police cars when we get them in they're a stripped-down model He takes all of the equipment Including the lights the computers and everything else that goes into that police vehicle your gun holsters your cages and he builds those To assign him to the Department of Public Works when he is the only specialist in police vehicles I don't know why we're doing it. He doesn't want it. I don't believe the police department wants it He's been a dedicated employee for 19 years Why now are we doing this to me? It just doesn't make any sense. We can look at Streamlining cost savings. I don't see it. He answers to the things that need to be done in the police vehicles He gets that information from the police department. He doesn't get that information from public works Somebody in public works doesn't say I was driving squad number 42 and the right right front tire is wobbly He gets that information from the police department. He keeps all the records of the police vehicles for the police department To do this to you know to me. He mr. Daniels is adamantly opposed to this He's been an employee for 19 years to do this now To a guy that's that's worked his butt off and done a fine job To me doesn't make any sense. So I am I am adamantly opposed to this. Thank you Kittleson, that's okay. Thank you. Oh man. Yes, sir. Thank you your honor This doesn't have anything to do with mr. Daniels Nothing zero You can bring up his name or any other employee's name all you want doesn't have anything to do with them at all It's a simple management philosophy We have as Alderman Hanna alluded to silos in this community We have not picking on anybody the library with its own IT person its own Back up from a finance standpoint all support services. We have the police department with its own IT guy It's own mechanic its own whatever we have DPW with their own mechanics their own support staff. We have The transit system with its own mechanics. You hear that mechanic thing over and over It's it's simply the fact that all mechanics should be Mechanics in a mechanic center and you buy services from that center I had long discussion with chief Kirk about this and with other members of the police department What they are now as a consumer of DPW They're entitled to have service standards from DPW They're buying a service in the sense of their vehicles being fixed and maintained Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. From DPW. They're entitled to go to Mr. Bittner and say what are my expectations when I need stuff done Nobody is ripping the ability of the police department to ask for have something fixed That all still stays the same and if we want to talk about long-term employees It scares me even more. You have an employee who's perhaps has been there 19 years and I'm not about this employee specific But this goes to this other Example of these other departments that I'm talking about. I Would like to have a backup for this guy right now or anybody in a position like that It seems to be that critical right now. There is no backup. You put them in a center You now have a backup for him with other mechanics in DPW you have cross training you have cross scheduling Instead of it being an ability to fix a police car or a bus or whatever from nine to five Or when that person's on vacation who fixes the darn things you have the ability to have cross training and cross scheduling and Eventually my dream is one IT department So you don't have an extra IT person and all these other departments You buy those services from the ID department on a line item budget all mechanics That's the harder one to do would be under one building all mechanical functions for the city of Sheboygan Instead what the city has is is little Worlds everywhere every department is their own little world all self-contained units that costs a lot of money and Duplicate services and no backup for all these folks I worry about other positions in critical spots in the city and these various departments I mentioned they don't have a backup But if we combine these and bust these silos apart like the rest of the world has done for the last 20 years This is not something the city of Sheboygan is making up the rest of the world that is running efficiently and Smoothly with great backup and great support has busted these silos down 20 years ago It's time. We joined the real world and and look at efficiencies Are there any financial efficiencies not today, but in the long run with a dream like this there will be there will be tons of financial Abilities and this does not curtail the ability for the police department to get anything done that they're not getting done today Zero it's just you and we're not moving this guy. He's right where he is now It just is a management structure and philosophy that will save us money in the long run instead of duplicating the service in every single Department we have not picking on the police department This one just happens to come up because of where this gentleman happens to be living his work life here Almond grassel Thank you, utter Just to allay some Councilman's fears as well is that here? I got almost got to be three years ago now two and a half years ago And I spent a lot of time calling and driving to a number of DPWs and police chief Deputy chiefs across the state of Wisconsin. I'm asking them specifically about this scenario And I can tell you that it happened seamlessly across the state and the large percentage the large majority of Municipalities across the state of Wisconsin. So this is nothing new that we should be that we should be Uncomfortable with it's been proven out and the people that I've talked to both on the police side the police department side and the DPW side Have felt extremely comfortable with the scenario. It's been in place in some cities 20 30 years So I think this council council can feel comfortable moving forward with this decision And we have one more almond Ryan. Thank you again, mr. Mayor No respect to to Alderman Gisha, you know, I I I do see the advantage of breaking down these silos and moving combining Departments like departments We're talking about one individual here. How many mechanics do we have down at transit? How many mechanics do we have at the fire department? Is this one individual right now in this time? Going to save us anything That's my question and I think the answer is probably no I'm looking at this one position right now and I just I'm I'm still opposed to it If this was in across the board combination, it might it might be something different But then we wouldn't only have one person out there. We would have 30 people So I mean in this in this single case. I can't agree with it. Thank you I'm about thank you, your honor. I would thank the distinguished senior Alder person from the fourth district for his comments, but I would Disagree in that we would never be able to get all 30 of them done at once because of the delicate delicate sensibilities of Union negotiations and things of that nature So I think this is a first step to the beginning of an evolutionary change Which will create the kind of structure that Alder person Gisha mentioned where it saves the taxpayers an awful lot of money And creates a management structure. There's much more Let's call it modern in its approach And I'm not implying that Alderman Ryan said this but in case he said it. I just want to comment about it If what we're doing here, I don't want to draw this conclusion But if what he what he was the conclusion he was drawing was it would be too much of a change for this one city Employee to get a new boss after 19 years and that that would disturb that Employees delicate sensibilities, then I can't disagree more and say City employees might want to be studying the outside world and realize that that is completely inappropriate and Every organization in the world outside the city of Sheboygan restructures all the time realigns talent all the time Realigns bosses which we call coaches at Johnsonville realigns members and coaches for the best needs of the organization Not for the needs of the individuals and so again, I think this is a fantastic idea. I don't know mr. Daniels I didn't go to high school with him. I'm sure he's a great guy and hard worker But we need to do what we need to do for what's best for Sheboygan the structure of city government and the taxpayers in the long run Not protect not protect not shelter a current city employee from having to report to a new new coach So thank you your honor. Thank you. We got one more call of vote much present bar Alderman bulk said about what I was going to say. Thank you your honor. Thank you. Please call a roll Bulk How did I know that? Decker Gisha Hannah Kittleson Clayunas Meyer Montemayor Ryan Siruk Vanderweel for Hasselt Wongamon and Bourne Eleven eyes three nose motion carries other matters Attorney McLean document 1145 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30 2009 and June 30 2010 I'm referring that to law and licensing 1146 is a communication from Donna Newman stating her upset over the noise level coming from the silver firm bar as it's causing a huge problem in the Neighborhood that will go to law and licensing to 1147 is a communication from Officer Clowett relating to the congestion at ingress and egress to Shepooga North High School and offering a possible solution to the problems It's in that Department of Protection and Safety 1148 is communication from Paul Gruber along with an article stating that as of September 1 2008 City of Marshfield has in effect a city ordinance banning the use of cell Cellular telephones while driving and we'll go to the new committee special handheld telephone use 1150 is an ordinance relating to no parking so as to add No parking here to corner zone along the east side of North 10th Street from the North curb line of Mayflower Avenue to a point 74 feet north That will go to public protection and safety 1151 is a resolution ordering a hearing on the vacation of discontinuance of a portion of a paved north-south alley between South 7th Street and South 8th Street and bordered on the south by Clara Avenue Which what you're doing 1151? That way we'll go to city plan commission. I think we missed 1149 1149 did you do 1149? It might be stuck to the back of one of the pages. Yeah He did it okay for those of you don't know 1149 goes to public protection and safety. Yep Okay, maybe that looks a lot like 1150 1149 Ordinance relating to no parking so instead of no parking Here at a corner zone along the east side of North 10th Street from the south curb line of Mayflower Avenue to point 41 foot south They go to public protection and safety. Yeah Pardon me. That's good 1151 is a resolution ordering a hearing on the vacation and discontinuance of a portion of paved north-south alley between South 7th and 8th And bordered on the south by Clara And I did say I would go to city plan that actually make a location lies over 1151 lies over 1152 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting a petition for the vacation and discontinuance of a portion of a paved north-south Alley between South 7th and South 8th Street bordered on the south by Clara Avenue by the owners of all the frontage of the lots and lands Abutting upon the portion there are sought to be discontinued that will be referred to city plan commission 1153 is an ordinance for the vacation and discontinuance of a portion of the paved north-south Alley between South 7th and South 8th and bordered on the South by Clara Avenue That will be referred to city plan commission to 1154 is a resolution establishing a water safety task force for the city of Sheporgan that lies over need a motion to adjourn All in favor say aye and adjourned