 All right, and I'd like to introduce Lynn Wintergross of the Jewish vocational services, and then you'll need to unmute yourself. This is the last portion. I'm sorry Michael it's not time to talk right now. Okay, can you hear me. Yes, we can hear you. Okay, good morning everybody I wish I could see you all in person instead of little faces and little squares. My name is Lynn winter gross and I'm looking forward to talking with you today and presenting some of my ideas on getting to the job interview and then get and then acing the job interview once you get there. My background is as a career counselor. I'm working currently at Jewish vocational service. I'm working one on one with clients who have been out of work for more than six months, many much longer than that. And we work on how to find a job, how to write your resume, and how to ace the interview. I'm talking about resumes and talking about the interview and the point that I will keep stressing today over and over again is for the job interview and for your resume. Know what the job is target your answers and your your resume and your answers and the offer I mean in the interview to what the job is so keeping in mind that we're going to talk about that today. In terms of my background, I've done a lot of media training and work with the chambers of commerce on people who've been out of work for a while, and are looking to get back in again. It's, it's tough I'm aware how hard it is once you've been out of work to get back into the job scene and how lonely it can be in terms of looking for a job so I work on that a lot with people that I'm working with. Next slide please. So topics that we will be covering today is how to prepare for your interview and know what the interviewer is looking for. So again, that's the job description look at the job description write down what the interviewer is looking for and then make your answers relevant so we're going to be talking about that today. So how to deal with the difficult questions, those of you who have had interviews already are familiar with many of the questions and we'll go over those. And how to address your work history gaps. Many of you have been unemployed I'm sure because of COVID. In other ways have had job get have had gaps in your resume over the years for one reason or another we're going to talk about that, and about issues of ageism used to be if you were over 70 it was hard to get a job now sometimes it's if you're over 40. So we're going to be talking about that and then how to follow up. Next slide please. Where should I look for a job where should you look for a job. From what you've already had this morning with Leah, you, she's got so many ways for you to use a San Francisco public library, their jobs and career centers just listening to her presentation this morning, there's just so many ways you can use the library in finding where the jobs are opening indeed.com linkedin.com glass door, career builder, and Jvs.org that's Jewish vocational service where I work has multiple workshops. So, I hope that you're using these in terms of where the jobs are. I get emails every single day from all of these groups of we're opening here and we're opening there and here's a job, and we're looking for somebody with these skills so if you get on these sites they will keep bombarding you with information and show you where the jobs are. So these are some great organizations to stay in touch with. Next slide please. Research the company let's say that you're looking for a specific job at a specific company. And before you're going to send your resume. Find out about them don't just look on your website. Do some research what do they do what are their challenges. What's happened with with their staff during coven. The jobs are in the job description. Do you have them. So this is after you've looked at a number of organizations and you want to target your resumes to specific jobs. I've been working with people that say I sent out a hundred resumes and I haven't heard anything. That's not targeted. If you target your resumes and you target your job search, then you have a more specific idea of what you're looking for just to send out a random generic resume all over the place it's discouraging because it doesn't help much networking we're going to talk about networking with people at the company where you're looking and how to have an informational interview to get more information about the job. And then also hopefully you're all on LinkedIn and how do you keep your profile up to date. Make it dynamic make it again relevant to the kind of job skills that people are looking for. Next slide please networking I'm hoping that all of you are networking 70% of jobs are not listed and they're filled by personal recommendations. I found that astounding when I first saw that number I thought no you just apply for a job you look online and find the job. This is showing that people recommend people I assume all of you have been in the position, or many of you have been in the position of somebody saying you know what's your company like I hear there's a job can you help me. So if you get a chance to find people. There are many cases through LinkedIn, who are at companies that you're looking at, and then you can find somebody who will then say to somebody else at the job. I've got a person for you that I think is really right for the job. So then your job your resume is not just sitting on top of a pile somewhere. You've got an inside track. And you can find out more about the culture at the job what's it like is it a small company is it big is it mostly people working in teams is it people working alone. You find out the specifics of the job but also what's what's it like for people working there and talking to people about why did you choose to work here and what's it like here. What are the group meetings are they're not. How's the, how's the, how does management make decisions so the more you know, the better off you are when you get that interview. Next slide please preparation for online interviews is key. I've talked to a number of people who when I look when we do zoom and I look at their background and I'm more focused on their background than I am on them. And there's distractions there's last time I was talking to somebody there's a beautiful painting of, of very complicated and I was looking at that and figuring out what was going on in the painting and I went wait a minute. I said to them, maybe you need to move your screen a little bit. So I'm not just looking at the painting. Dress appropriately we've all heard frequently about zoom dressing zoom interviews like you just need from the top up dress professionally dress, because it affects how you present yourself so dress as if you were having an in person interview test and practice with the technology. I've seen many interviews with people who all of a sudden their screen goes blank, and they don't know what to do about it. So, test it, figure out what the problems are and do the best that you can do with it. Then you have the interviewers contact information. In case you have any problems. I was meeting with somebody yesterday and they just could not get their zoom to work. So they had my phone information they called me. We talked and finally was able to get back on. But in the meantime I wasn't thinking, wow, this person just never showed up. And I've done it many times when my zoom isn't working and have called the person and say I'm here but I'm having trouble. And many times we just say okay, let's just do a phone interview. When you have, when you get ready for your interview, focus on your skills and have your skills, a list of your job skills and your resume handy. So what I've done and what I've suggested to people is on the sides of your computer, make notes of what your skills are so that you remember them. Because once you start talking you get nervous and you forget, and you don't know which skills to talk about. So, it's important that you keep in mind what your skills are. And again, these are skills for that specific job that you're looking for. Next please. Here are the common interview questions that I assume those of you who are looking for a job have had. Tell me about yourself. What, where do you start what are you supposed to talk about where you grew up or you went to college, what you've been doing, where you start. So the answer that you should be giving is determined by what the job is. Are they interested in your background because it's for international job, and then you talk about what you've done if it's a desk job dating dealing with data, you talk about that. What, what, what they would be interested in in terms of who they are interviewing. So pretend you are the interviewer, and you're interviewing yourself for the job, what do you want to know. And what is it that you want to know that's going to help you sell yourself for the job. People will ask what have you been doing since your last job. Many of you have been out of work I assume since COVID and it's been a year and what have you been doing. So we're going to talk about that. What are your strengths and weaknesses. Again, I, the question of what is your weakness is just such a hard question because you're not going to say my weaknesses I'm like to work. You don't get along well. Obviously you don't want to promote your weakness but a weakness can be. Yeah, I find that sometimes when I'm talking to teams I've asked them to do something, but I really haven't prepared them for that so now I understand that I need to prepare people in a better way and I've been doing that and that's really been working well. So you pick a weakness that you had and you turn it into a strength your awareness of it. So here's an example of a problem you've had at your last job and what did you do to solve it. Again, if you can find a problem that's relevant to the job if you can't, you do your best but try to find something like yeah we were running slow and things weren't getting done. And I saw the issue was if I train more people, or we tried a different way of getting around it, then, then it worked better. So what we were able to do was we were able to save money, we were able to sell to more people, we were able to get the management involved. Whatever you've done with a specific example again, I keep saying it over and over again, relevant to what the job is. Show that skills you've had yeah I've dealt with these problems and I figured out ways to solve them. And here's the results we've saved money we've been able to hire more people. We've been able to do more social media, what what did you do, what what did you do that help move the company forward and help solve problems. Questions about if you worked with a multicultural staff. Have there been issues with that have there been problems with that. How is it, how has it worked what how what have you done, in case there's issues among the staff. Have you done anything to help. And the last, why are you the best candidate for the job. I often ask people when they're interviewed why should I hire you. I've got four people that I'm interviewing before you and people after you why you. Again, this is selling yourself for the job. And I would, I would emphasize again, having a list of your job skills and remind yourself why you're the best person for the job. That you can sell yourself and it's hard sometimes as we're talking, or get distracted I'm not distracted by dog outside barking. It's it's that you can, you can sell yourself and you've got it right available next to you to remind yourself of your skills. Next job please. It's hard to sell ourselves sometimes because we've been taught, don't brag, don't brag about yourself. Okay, so how do you sell yourself without feeling like you're breaking. So, again, what is the interviewer looking for what are some of the soft skills that they're looking for and the heart skills, and the soft skills I assume you're familiar with those words, the soft skills are how you communicate. What's your critical thinking is, what about leadership. What have you done with management, what have you done with motivating people on your team. A positive attitude, how have you shown and you will show this in the interview. What, how have you shown enthusiasm and dependability and respectability and teamwork. What have you done in terms of working with the team, these are all soft skills, your work ethic, are you reliable, are you results oriented, what's your time management, what are your time management skills, these are the soft skills, and show how you've used these skills, have you use them in a situation where something happened and the fact that you have good critical thinking skills and good communication skills, you've been able to solve, solve specific problems. The hard skills I assume most of you are familiar with those are your computer skills, administrative skills, customer service skills, sales, healthcare, legal. Those are the hard skills that that you want to sell. And then what about your transferable skills. Give specific examples when you're talking about your soft skills and your hard skills, what you've done and show your accomplishments. An example is there was a problem with my company, and because I'm able to, I have leadership capabilities, I was able to bring in some people, and we were able to solve a problem. So, again, show what you've done, what specific examples you've done in order to move the company forward. Next slide please. What about gaps in your resume? Be honest, lots of people's resumes I look at and say, Oh, I see that you did something in 2019 or 2018 and then there's nothing till 2020. What did you do. So, lots of us, or lots of people might try to fudge it, but be honest, did you have to take time off to care for a family member. Many people that I've worked with, they got sick, their parents got sick, their child got sick, they had a new baby so there it is, you took time off to do that. Many people of course, talk about how they've got laid off during COVID. Some have traveled some have volunteer work. Some have taken new courses to pivot and refocus their careers. When you talk about what you've done during these times off. You can find some relevant experience and skills relating to the job. So I worked with somebody a couple of weeks ago who traveled. This was pre COVID but he traveled and we talked about well is there anything you can do that you did while you traveled to have improved your skills or increase your skills that are relevant that the employer would find was relevant so yeah we found things are people who have taken care of a family member they needed management skills in terms of working with hospitals or working with doctors or figuring out food delivery so what are the relevant skills that are relevant related to the job that you can talk about and people take time off. I mean all of us don't have perfect resumes that every single year we can add another skill. So be honest and own it. Please. What about ageism ageism is a problem and as I said it used to be when you're over 40. They thought I mean when you're over 70 they thought you were too old but now you can be over 40. And they'll think you're too old and why is that because they think your skills are outdated. Salary requirements are too high and why should I hire you and salary that could be double what a younger employee will take. Or maybe you're over qualified you are already the manager of the department why do you want to be in the department. Maybe you'll get bored you've already done that job or that you're going to retire soon and leave and come in with with these biases and your job is going to be to to show that you're not too old for the job. So next slide please. I think I let's see. Did we miss one about older workers are good hires. Oops I guess it didn't I'll just talk about it. It shows that older workers are good hires because they bring experience to the job. They've been through most of the problems that you're going to find on the job. They'll often negotiate pay because I'll say you know I don't want to run the department anymore. I'd like to be part of the department and let somebody else worry about the bigger responsibilities. I'll take online courses and I will I will improve my skills I will pivot I will learn new skills, all of us need to be taking updating our skills, all the time. So, it's important that you can tell them, yes, I'm willing to take the take the courses and learn. On the other hand, if it's a company that's not so interested in older workers maybe you don't want to work there. So, I'm getting job descriptions all the time again from companies that that because I've asked to be sent jobs for people that are over 70 or over 60 and I get you know we're hiring we look for somebody. We're looking for somebody that's a little older that's had experience. So, there are companies that are interested in hiring people that are that are over 30 or over 40 and they'll understand that that you'll take courses or you'll be flexible. Excuse me. Next slide please. These are resources to check out again for jobs. While you're looking at them. This is the public library indeed. LinkedIn I just wanted to remind you again places that you can look for jobs and you can look if you're a senior which ones are looking for seniors. If you're just coming back to work. I was looking at a job yesterday says this is good for people who've been out of the workforce for a while, or this is good for older people, or we're looking for people who've been in the military. Or we're looking for people that had to drop out of college so there's a lot of you can massage these websites and stay on them, stay, stay on them and keep checking them out in terms of what's available. Next slide please. This was the one that got got turned around and we talked about this, the advantages that older workers can take the have next slide please. It's never too late to learn new skills for older workers and younger workers. Many people that I'm working with the Jewish vocational service have decided to pivot. From a nonprofit to corporate, they've gone from volunteering to an inner in a small organization to working in a corporate organization. I worked with one woman the other day, who is learning new skills because she wants to work for a company and she just doesn't doesn't have those skills. So, next slide please. Oh, this is, this is a little bit backed up. Okay. Where you can up skill. I don't know the slides somehow got turned around a little bit but I don't know if that's if you can see the where you can up skill but I'm local community colleges, LinkedIn. Back up one more. Okay, it didn't. There we go. Oh, that's not it. Okay, never mind. I'll just talk about it. Local community colleges have a lot of courses for. It's okay. Just keep it there a minute please. A lot of college, a lot of community colleges have online courses, LinkedIn has courses Jewish vocational service we have courses on, excuse me, Salesforce, health care data analysis. Nursing courses so there's JBS is another good site. General the General Assembly, Microsoft course era. Udemy Udemy, excuse me, and there's lots of places if you want to up skill and we all need to keep doing this over and over again to keep, keep relevant. I mean sometimes we can learn on the job but sometimes it's. Yeah, LinkedIn, Linda, I see somebody just put that in. Linda.com for LinkedIn learning. So follow up and and stay, stay on top of skills. I mean stay on top of what you need to know for these for these jobs. Next please during the interview. Feel free to ask questions. At the end we're going to ask we're going to focus on what some of the questions you can ask but this is a two way process looking for a job, they're interviewing you and you're also interviewing them. Is this a place that I want to work. Some of us think that we have an interview, we just want to get the job and get going, but is it a place that you want to work. Sometimes it's the last resort sometimes it's a job that we want just to carry us over so that we can make some money till we get the real job that we want, but you're interviewing them to. When they're done with the formal interview you can ask them, do they have any questions for you that you haven't addressed. Have I done anything you want to know about either other issues we haven't discussed. What are the next steps in the process. If I get the job what challenges might be in the next 30 days and how are they determined success on the job how are you going to measure success on this job. What else is it that I need to know what are the teams like anything that you can ask the interviewer, but have them ready in advance don't just hope that you're going to get something as as the time goes on again have them ready so that you're able to just be prepared and to and to talk to them about what else are they are they looking for that maybe you haven't talked about. Next slide please. Thank you notes. When I talk to people, I asked them, please write me a thank you note, just because you need to practice. Well, I must say I hardly get any. The important one, the important thing is to send a note and the number of employers that I've talked to say that when they get a thank you know it really shows them that people are on the ball, they care. Some of your relevant skills, you can say in the thank you note as we've talked about. I'm very interested in your job in the job in the company, because my skills are relevant to what you're looking for and you may want to remind them of a couple of those show your interest I'm very interested in the job I'm interested in what you do I'm interested in your company. And when I talk to people individually I said why do you want to work for this company. Well, I like working with data. Okay, but why do you want to work for this company. So find out what it is about the job and then sell it again when you're thanking them that I'm interested in the job because you do work that I've always been interested in and that I think is important and share any ideas you might have you can say you know after I met with you I really been thinking that I. I think some ideas that you might be interested in and share those so show that you're you're there with it you're on top of it and and you appreciate the time and you're willing to talk if they need any more information from you. Next slide please. Network network network Jewish vocational service I think we're called the network service, keep, keep networking with people to find those jobs on the hidden hidden market. Have informational interviews use your resources as much as you can wherever you can, whether you want to join a professional organization that has meetings whether you just, you know, you, the people who are on this call today. Anybody that you want to talk to that's that's here or any contacts you have, keep talking to them letting them know what you're looking for letting them know about your skills. Research the company before you apply. Don't forget to look at the company what are they doing. How are your specific skills relevant and practice your answer practice practice practice. There's not too many ways they can get you off guard if you've practice your answers and practice with a friend. It's very hard just to do this alone all day long and looking at your computer and then you forget what your skills are so practice with them. Next slide please. Good luck, keep it going keep keep it going one of the things that we talk about a lot of the Jewish vocational service is get some buddies that you can work with once a week. Find out, you know what are they doing how can you help them and how can they help you. So, it's Jewish vocational service they're called accountability buddies, and they meet once or twice a week and share their list of what they're doing and then well did you do it now why didn't you do it. I don't know, I don't know, we'll do it. And you encourage them and they encourage you. So it's very hard to do this alone this job search, and the fact that you all came on today is excellent you need the stimulation from others. So, any questions. Okay. That's so far. Actually one just came in. JBS on the application. You said, like, said you have to be a San Francisco resident. And on the cusp of daily city in San Francisco, is there any way JBS makes an exception. It's such a shame to keep getting these amazing opportunities and email only defined I cannot apply over a technicality. I'll have to find out. Let me get that the information I've never I mean the people that I see in the workshops are from all over the place. So, I'll be glad to find out I hadn't heard of that before but I can find out if we got an email address and get back to you on that. Can we get that when I have another one for you. Someone's asking is it more advantageous to pay for LinkedIn instead of using the free version. From our LinkedIn people that I work with a Jewish vocational service they feel like, and I'm going to answer from their point of view that know that the general services are just fine you don't need to go on on the expensive one on the one you have to pay for. Okay, I just want to let you know that we don't want people to post their personal information in the chat because then everyone. I have your email. And if you are calling in you can email us at this site tech at SFPL.org. Okay, as for as for information but just for your own personal protection and your personal information in the chat. Sure, I understand so how are we following up with this question. So I have the question and I have the email. Okay, okay yeah so that's the question of whether you have to be a San Francisco resident to come to JBS programs I don't think so but I would like to be sure I have that information correct. Here's another one thanking you and do you have any tips for new graduates who are entering the workforce with little or no work experience. They're the they're the same you know what is it that you want to do what are your skills. What, what areas are you most interested in, get on LinkedIn. Talk to people about what companies what what are your back what's your background and use your resources, informational interviews. Oh you're this do you how do you like it how did you decide to do that oh I'm interested in social action how do I get into that oh I'm interested. I'm talking to people that you know that are in different jobs and finding out what is it they like to do or what are your strengths and and talking to maybe the career counselor at the library. In terms of showing them what is it that you've done in college and in your background that you're interested in and what your skills are and let's talk about what kinds of opportunities I should be looking for that an answer. Someone else is asking is our JVS services available for people who aren't a part of JVS who aren't members. Yes, and it's called Jewish vocational service but it's open to everybody. Another question. I'm over 50 what is the likelihood of my getting a city job with San Francisco. A city job. I'm not sure I have to look into that I but I get job openings all the time for people over 50, but I haven't checked with the city. I can address that a little bit there is if you check our calendar on the library website we are offering a program that deals with that. Another question. What about an interviewer that's not a good interviewer. Say that again, what about an interviewer that's not a good interviewer how do you, how do you work with somebody then you have to kind of take charge and be sure that you tell them what it is that you want them to know about you. Lots of these people are not good interviewers and or you're on the clock and okay your time is up. So, just be sure that you get across what your skills are, and that you're aware of what the job is and that you have the skills for the job. Okay and another one what if your work gap is due to a long illness how do you address that one. I'm honest, I've, I've been ill, and I had to take care of myself and I wasn't able to work while I was doing that, and I'm ready now, if you're ready now. I just wasn't able to work but I'm back in and I've, you know I'm interested in this job, and I have the skills for the job. Another one how to best answer the question, why do you want to work here. You want to research the organization and you know what they do and they're aligned with your, with your values. I'm interested in working at the library because because what the services that they offer, and I've always been member and I've always thought that it's, you know they're, they're up to date and what they're doing and what they provide and whatever you, knowing about the company knowing about what they do, and then say well this is why I want to work here. I mean I've asked people, you know, well I like as I said before I like data analysis. Well, I do you want to sell potato chips or do you want to work in a social activism environment what do you want to do, you know so fine. What is the company doing that aligns with your interest. Do you recommend finding accountability buddies or others looking for work, if you don't know anyone like that, are there any organizations that bring these people together. First of all, is there any way people who are on this call connect with each other. They can do so through the chat but as Leah said we recommend not people putting their information on here. How would they do so during through the chat, otherwise through LinkedIn. I think I'd like to find an account of a body to work with on LinkedIn I'm looking for certain jobs in certain areas and I'd like to find somebody on LinkedIn that I can work with. Or people that don't in an organization that that you like or just a friend who's also looking for a job but it should hopefully be somebody who's dealing with the same stresses that you are who's looking for a job because you can be helpful to them as well. But I'm not sure if the library can maybe at some point, you know open up something that you know people who are because there's so many people on this call who could help each other so I'm not quite sure the best way to do that. Another one I have had several government job interviews these tend to be very formulaic with no follow up or flexibility can you discuss these types of interviews. So that means that you have the interview and then nothing happens, and you've tried to follow up but you don't get any response. I mean what, what, after a couple of times of trying to get back to them and well what's going on and are you interested, you know after two or three tries a couple of weeks apart. Maybe you have to move on to the next job. Let's talk about certain companies who desire older workers, how do we locate these types of companies. As I mentioned on indeed and glass door and LinkedIn. I've just put in older workers. I'm getting a lot of feedback from, I get indeed every day of we're hiring older workers so I think looking at these job sites and putting an older worker in. Putting in that you're an older worker and seeing what you can get also with informational interviews. If you talk to people at different companies and say, you know, I'm looking for a job and I have these skills. So it's, it's, it's job sites, and I don't know if the library deals with that at all in terms of your career center. Yeah, and I think we've posted links to the career counseling, someone also asks, if not having a LinkedIn account is that job search suicide. No, but it helps to have one. Well, people are talking to each other all the time on LinkedIn and, and I'm getting back to each other and following each other. So it's a good idea to have one. And I think I think I just saw that you have a program about LinkedIn coming up. Yes. Follow up to the formulaic interviews the interview itself has set questions they do not follow up and there's no clarification in the interview questions. I'm not sure I understand the question what there's no follow up what I don't understand. Yeah that was going back to the formulaic interview for a government job that's when it asked earlier, and there is I guess there's no form for them to follow up is there anything they can do. If you can't follow up there's no contact or anything. Yeah. So I don't know how to get around that unless you have a somebody in the organization that can follow up for you. And someone's asking how to search for not not nonprofit job entities I'm getting lots of connections for profit making entities during the last six months, none of them are for nonprofit jobs. They're getting they're getting, where are they getting this information for the other jobs. Yeah, we'll see if they answer that. And I think, I think to put in any of these websites that I suggested for where to find a job to put in nonprofit but I would assume that that person's already trying to do that. Actually, if you want to mute yourself and explain what you are asking a little bit more than maybe we can help you with your answer. Hi, of course. Thanks for lean for your nice presentation. So my question is. So I'm looking for the job, but due to my status. So I'm not getting the job I landed many interviews. I'm very good at my relevant skills and my based on my last eight years professional experience, only due to my visa status. So I'm not getting any sponsorship from the profit making entities, due to there are many restrictions. So for understand for not for profit making entities, there is no problem for sponsoring. So, through LinkedIn, I have been connecting many agent, many employer, many internal recruiter, but only problem with my visa status. So last six months I didn't get any not for profit job offer or connection. So my question is how do I looking for the not for profit jobs. Sorry, I'm not. You mean how do you look for any non how do you just look for nonprofit jobs we're not talking about your visa. Yes. And have you looked under under these websites for nonprofit organizations. No, I didn't. I just connecting lots of recruiter through LinkedIn, my base, because I subscribe for premium LinkedIn service. So maybe that's why I'm getting lots of job offer. Any other sources. I would lead you have any answer to that but I would suggest that that you put into these sources nonprofit organizations that are I mean nonprofit jobs. To do the research. I know that we work with an organization that works with people who are over 50 and have or have a disability that work with not that place you in nonprofit jobs but they're, they're sort of the wage is is not. It's just a supplemental wage it's not a wage that would help you live in San Francisco. Okay, so I don't have any problem about the wages so I just I need the job. Okay, and if you are over 50, then I can. No, I'm not over 50 I'm just over 30. So I, I would, I would need to do some research about that remote and I can get back to you. Okay sounds good. Do have my email. Yeah, if you signed up with your email then I have your email. Sounds great. Thank you so much. And I would add are there is there a specific area of interest of yours that you would like to follow through with nonprofits in that area. Sorry, I don't understand. Can you please explain it. Yes, is there a particular type of job that you're looking for within nonprofits. I can tell you my experience so over the last eight years. So I did external financial statements so did I have accounting and finance experiences. But I mean, for not for profit entities, I know, maybe there are no direct requirement for the accounting and audit experience. But I also audited some not for profit entities like save the children, Asian development, I mean, the some other not for profit entities audit as well. What I was suggesting and Leah you want, I'm sure you have an answer but what I was suggesting is research the agencies that you're interested in and the causes that you're interested in in terms of what which nonprofits are so many nonprofits doing so many different things. Do you want to I mean you do want to work with children do you want to work with Asians you want to work with I mean there's so many different areas maybe you need to search those and start looking for those and seeing if how you get into those organizations. Otherwise the word now I mean nonprofit there's just so many and they just deal with so many different topics. Follow your interest to start with. Okay, thank you. Okay. There was a hand up earlier but it looks like it's gone. And then JP you want to read Annalisa question. Yeah so she's I think she's following up to something to you and she's asking what were you going to say about being over 50. What was I going to say, well, I think that you know certain organizations are hiring people over 50 they want the experience and you find that out through these job sites or, as I said I've put in just in Google jobs available for people over 50 and I get indeed and LinkedIn and they're just sending me stuff all the time. And doing informational interviews where would you like to work, following an interest, and then seeing if there's anybody you know at that company or know somebody who knows somebody at the company to sell your skills. And then what I said, said before was, if it's a company that really doesn't want older people. Then that's probably not where you want to work. Gotcha, and I think this is pertaining to both you and the JBS but do you work with people to help them identify what they wish to do if they don't know. I'm not as much as a counselor in terms of what, but JBS has a lot of people has people who do that. Okay, who help people figure out here are my skills here on my background I really don't know exactly what I want to do, can you go through with me all the options using my skills. I'm spending time with people okay, you know, you know what kind of you're applying for a job, here's the job description, where on your resume does it show those skills. And here's the interview again here's the job description where how are you selling yourself during the interview with the skills that they're looking for. The library offers a database. It's called job now through brain fields where you can get live expert help on career coaching and that's in one of my slides that I'll send you after the presentation. Great. And someone just asked what if my skills are not exactly the skills and the job requirements, how are the chances to get in the job, even not even if it's not a total match. I would say that use any skills that are relevant or I'm taking a course on, or I will learn to do or I'm going to find resources to help with that because you don't always have all the skills that they're asking for. So I would say well I'm interested I'm realizing that I need that and I'm going to take a course on that or I'm taking a course on that or I intend to find people that can help me with that. That's all I'm seeing for now. I think you do have a different answer to that. And I was trying to work on something else. Yeah, I was. So, what was the question. Well, well basically how do you, how do you answer for, if you don't have the skills that they're looking, don't have all the skills that they're looking for. I think the expectation is that you take you say I'm going to take a class or I'm in a class. I'm learning it's very important or I'm going to, you know, find ways to figure that out but I have all these other skills that are that are relevant and I can learn, learn, what is I need to know to fit your needs. Yeah, I think that's good and I think often with skills there's a lot of crossover that can help with another so you definitely emphasize that. Yes, and it's hard to have all the skills that they're looking for it's job. I mean unless it's just all you need is a BA and we're willing to talk to you, but you know, is many of the skills that are listed that you have, you should stress. And if you don't have them you don't have them. But as you said JP a lot of skills are transferable and similar. Hi, I have a question related to this one. So, my current job doesn't have management. Like manage the people management role, but I didn't have in the previous one. When you respond in an interview, you know, they are looking for somebody with previous management or current management, but they don't seem to be open to like, you know, the fact that you don't currently have it but you had it before. Oh, okay, and you've told people that you've done it before and that doesn't work. Yeah, I did. And even though it's not very like it was not necessary it was a nice to have. It was really not. How do you say it was not good enough. Absolutely. I mean whatever. So there's parts of the management job that you haven't that you haven't had but I would say that you'd say that you can do that you can do that. But you know that's that hasn't need that skill wasn't necessary in that job but you have the skills for you've done management and promoted as much as you as you can. But that's hard. I understand that's hard if they want one specific thing and you don't have that but it sounds like you can learn it and you've done similar things and you're interested in the job and bringing your other skills there. Thank you. Let another question how do you answer a question on if a company's ever had to let you go. And that you haven't been. Yeah, so how would you answer I guess how do you answer question. Well I guess if you've had if they've let if they've had to let you go why they had to let you go or you know wasn't working or they changed. They changed what they wanted to do with change direction. I had some different ideas or staffing needs change. Or, I mean, the question I guess is were you fired and why. That's kind of the direct question but I would say that you know the company just needed different skills that I had than not than what I had. Are they changed they changed the team around, or their priorities changed. I have another question. I asked why, why was I interested in leaving a big corporation job for a small startup job. So how do you best answer that question. What was the, what was the reason. I really love their technology on what they are working on. And, you know, I have over 10 years of experience in the field, and I was really interested in, you know, moving towards leadership. So you don't think that was a good enough answer, or an appropriate answer or what have what why wasn't that answer good enough. I mean, I don't know if it ends up per se why do I want to leave a big company and go for a startup. It's like, you know you think to have a stable job why would you leave for a small because I'm interested in what this company is doing and interested in starting a startup and bringing it up to where, you know, helping them grow I understand how companies grow and I work with one that's big and grown and I'm, I like the challenges of starting with a small company and helping them grow. I think my skills are very appropriate to helping a company grow and start up. And I like what you're doing. Okay. Thank you. It's not easy. I know. I'm here's another one. It's not easy. I'm aware. Another one for you Lynn how much follow up is appropriate without seeming desperate or pushy. Yeah, well we recommend a couple of weeks. I mean the right where I think you know, and then maybe a week later and then maybe another week later after that and then after two or three tries you don't get back it's just, you know, move on. Find out what happened or what did they hire somebody already or can they tell you what happened in the interview. Sometimes they just don't get back or they'll get back. I mean we've heard cases where people get back up for five months and say oh we're just now hiring are you still interested. I mean sometimes there is not a specific reason, or it's been an inside. They promoted a person from the inside. But after a while you just have to say there's nothing else I can do I've tried. But it's frustrating it's like okay I just did this interview. Tell me what happened. Why didn't I get it. Do you have any recommendations anything I could have done differently. And sometimes they just don't get back to you. I guess frustrating and it's not very nice. Perhaps we have time for one or two more of Juliet asks how long does it typically take for a job to get back to you after sending a resume to get back to you for an interview and for the example would be a big hospital. I don't know if there's a typical one at JP or Leah do you think I think at some some are right away and some just take a while some and you know it's I guess the question is, you know what do you do while you're waiting to just keep asking for their advice or you just move on I mean sometimes you hear right away and sometimes they say you know we're still interviewing candidates we're moving around stuff and management. It's a typical time, but I know it's frustrating to be on the other end waiting. And you just have to keep the job search going. I mean just keep me. I mean I worked with a guy yesterday it's like well I'm waiting and waiting so you just can't keep waiting you got to keep going on and and trying to find other ones, and it's hard if you've had the interview and you thought it went well and it's like okay, what's the deal. Why aren't you getting back to me, you know, I think you just got to keep looking for other ones at the same time. And it's a pain, I mean it's really a pain in the neck. Be nice if they got back and said what's happening but they don't always. Okay well I don't see any more questions do you JP. No I don't see more but to address your point when people are helping each other out in the chat right now there's some advice passed along to each other so. Oh good. That's a good example of the networking within here and right. That's the best. That's the best result that could happen from today, from my point of view. So in talking about networking. So how do we go about connecting with somebody who is attending the event right now. We are not able to direct message to people. Question I've never really had that question before. Yeah we can't give out patron information. But I mean you can create a meet up group and meet people that way you can meet people through LinkedIn. Those are the primary ways that people meet people who are having similar experiences. JP just said that people are meeting each other in the chat room but I understand that they can't give out email addresses so. They're exchanging advice in the chat. At all of our programs. Right. But in terms of direct contact. We can't share that. We're legally bound not to share patron. Right. So I guess Lisa L and Andrea, if you want to connect. Why don't you all email us at this site tech. And we can share your information that way. I'm sorry I do not understand. You've both expressed that you and Andrea would like to connect. I think I'm getting into some hot water here. You know we can try it's a thing that's happened in the past and you are able to direct message to each other during these chats but as Leah said, because of library policy we can have you guys putting your email addresses up here. But yeah we can try I'm going to post our email address and if you have, if you want to make a connection with somebody else in this in this program send us an email and we'll see what we can do. Yeah, and also you know JP's right if you just click on the name of the person that you want to directly connect with and send your email to them. It will only go to that person. So that's another way that you could do it. That's great that's great that you're making that available I think the more context people have the more helpful it is. I mean in terms of looking for a job but I'll also in terms of psychological support, but you know I'm not the only one sitting here my home doing this others other people doing it and I can help you when you can help me. It's very lonely this whole job search process. Yeah clicking on the name does not does not allow us to send direct message. All right, just send your in request to us at this site tech and we'll try and hook you to us that way. Okay. Okay, thank you so much. All right well I think that's it. Thank you all for for coming today and really congratulate you for spending the time to try to get more resources and get more help and as I said, it's a lonely process and it can be discouraging, and the more help you can get the more people you can get more ideas you can get the better off you are and it's just hard sitting at home alone sending out these resumes and applying for jobs and, you know the more support you can get from each other and from professionals is great so I congratulate you all for coming and for spending the hour. And if there's any other way I can help you or you want to find out what programs to use vocational service has. Please go ahead and again use all these library resources they're really amazing. All right, thank you so much for a great program today Lynn and we'll see you at the next program. Thank you everyone. Thank you so much. Bye bye.