 Okay. Oh, it could be on the bottom or is that just his name? I'm here. I'm here. Why do I not see you. You probably have it. So you can't see people who don't have video on. Right. Cause we can't see you. Okay. I can't see you. So let's start our meeting and Jenny, thanks for getting the minutes out of the last meeting. So let's start with an acceptance of the minutes of the previous meeting on January 20th. I've motioned to accept. Thank you. Is there a second? I'll second. Second. Okay. Thanks. Any comments about them? So all in favor of accepting them say. Hi. Hi. Hi. So yes. Hi. Great. Thank you. I guess. Okay. Before we move to the allocation of funds. We need to go back to the question of, do we want to allocate funds. For accessibility projects. And I sent out a message. A few days ago. About a couple of ideas that Mina had. One was just using. You know, up to the 15%. And then inviting people to. Get extra money. And I can't find her letter and someone else. Does anyone have it handy? Sorry. I don't have it. I don't have any other options. I can find it. It's your letter though. So I mean, I. Accessibility is a very large. Canvas. There's a lot of different things that we need to explore. I. I don't. I don't know. And what are we going to offer? Or we could also. Maybe put some of the money aside to explore that. Or maybe put together a workshop on it or something. And these are just ideas. They're just. Matt. Has done some work on this in the past week. Oh, cool. So did you have a chance to see the document I sent you this afternoon? I guess I didn't know. Okay. Cause I. So I guess the question that I would propose to folks, what I, what I did. I can share my screen and just, and just show, show the document. If you want to take a minute to look at it. Yeah. Okay. Well, I pull it up. Let me just kind of briefly say what it is. So. So I took quite a bit of time this week. And I reached out to different people who do accessibility work. And I got quotes for how much it would cost. Just. So it just, there's just a few categories. So for example. Do it. If you have a piece of art, a static piece of art. You want to have a verbal description of that piece of art. And then you want to have it recorded and accessible to somebody who's visually impaired. So I found a group who do, who do that kind of work. And a lot of times they work with the artist to write the verbal description or they always have the artist approve it, but you know, best practices for the artists to actually write it. And then record it and post it on the web. And then anybody with a mobile device can listen to that recording. So I have a, I have a quote per piece from these people. I have a quote per piece from these people. I have a quote per piece from these people. Another example, we have a number of things that are going to be live concerts. And so music with lyrics can be done. Using American sign language where they'll sign to the lyrics. But more importantly for a lot of folks is they'll do an interpretive. They'll dance basically for, you know, for lack of a better, better work. They'll dance with it. And so even music that doesn't. They're still folks out there who specialize in interpreting it for the visually impaired so that they can have a sense of what the, what the music is all about. So I got a quote for, you know, what that would cost by the minute. So can you all see my spreadsheet now? Right. Yeah. Oh, ASL 105 per hour. Yeah. Okay. Let me just kind of go down a little bit. So if I look at, um, I just highlighted a row. And this is the snapshot of a, of a shape shifter, which is a web exhibit. And that was, that's going to be something that she puts on the internet. It's going to have, um, you know, probably photographs, probably some video, probably some audio. So I found a group called the Pasello group. Um, and what they do is, is this, they, they look at the user experience for a blind user or vision, you know, visually impaired doesn't have to be fully blind. Um, and they can help with making it accessible for a screen reader. So that those descriptions of those pieces are things that the screen reader can access. They can also look at, look at things. If you've ever seen a blind person using a computer, things like where the little button is to make a video player play is very important to them. So, so he, you know, his, this group does that kind of work. Um, you know, here's ASL. Now the learning center for the deaf that you, so column E is possible vendors. These are by no means that he's the only, you know, it's just who I found in a little bit of research. So learning center for the deaf, they have, um, I was really pleasantly surprised. They have, I found the name of one of their staff members who does, um, interpretive ASL, you know, that includes dance and such. When I reached out to them, they said, oh, we've got like seven people who do that. Um, you know, you know, name your genre of music. They'll be able to make it accessible. Um, just jumping down a little bit. This is the mural at the senior center. So that's an example of where this group called art beyond site. Um, can do, you know, help you get the verbal description written, recorded, and make it accessible on the web. And I say using a mobile device, but you know, there's a number of different ways that you can make that. Um, playable to, to a user. Um, just a couple more. Charlotte Mont Forum is not currently closed captioned. I reached out to them. They said, no, we don't currently do it, but you know, we'd be very interested in, in that option of either having, um, they call it cart. It's real time closed captioning. Or just having an ASL sign interpreter, but they'd be very open to that too. Um, So the commission, the Massachusetts commission for the deaf, you know, is probably your most cost effective and, and locally or a government driven, um, way to get those services. Um, And, and that's about it. I mean, so as you can see, you know, really what we're talking about are categories of categories of, of the kind of accessibility work that would be done more than, you know, individual case by case. Right. But anyway, I just, I wanted to have that out there. And then I guess just a couple of notes. Um, I think I'll say is like best practice and accessibility is for the artist or the creator to approach the task with accessibility in mind and set things up so that it's smooth. Um, but the, the real world is that this stuff is, is typically retrofitted. You know, unfortunately it's often decades of retrofitting before you finally get universal design so that things are accessible. Um, So I guess my thought right now is that, you know, we're definitely not going to get it a hundred percent right, but making an effort towards some accessibility. I think sends a message. Uh, one person I talked, I talked to probably a half dozen people. One of the people I talked to said, you know, you guys as a council, you all as a council need to be thinking about what's possible and just, you know, exploring the possibilities. And so you don't go with your tier artists and say, you know, you know, you're not going to get a great job on the risk. You haven't been accessible. You go to them and you say, Hey, we're exploring what's possible in this realm to make your art accessible to, um, disabled people. And so I really liked that concept and I like the idea of, you know, starting small and not trying to perfect on day one, but to make a start of it. Um, and so we could, as, as Gigi said, we could either, you know, hold back our 15%. you know, pay somebody to do that work and know that we're not going to catch every little thing but, you know, catch some of them. We could give people additional funds to do it on their own and we could facilitate the introduction to some of these groups. Mimi mentioned even doing conditional approvals, you know, with a promise of extra money. I'm not sure that I would, I don't know that we're ready to do that, but that's one option is we could conditionally approve people for funds if they're willing to do this additional work. And so I guess, you know, I guess there's a number of questions on the table for us in terms of the how, but really the bigger question is kind of, you know, do, is this something that we want to pursue? And if we're trying to get our awards figured out, you know, do we want to make that final award figuring holding back these 15% for accessibility work? Right. I mean, the question really before us is not necessarily the absolute mechanism of getting the money out. It's do we want to allocate some money and it may not be that everybody is going to, you know, benefit from this, but at least we could start at the top and work down and, you know, we could just 15% is a lot. We don't have to do all of it. We don't have to do it all. You know, we could just say, well, let's set aside $2,500 or $3,000 and see, see where that takes us. And we might work specifically with people who are hard of hearing and focus at this point, just on that issue. Well, can we? That's one idea. Can we also just identify maybe two or three projects that we think are particularly suited for doing accessibility, especially, for example, with signing because that seems like a very straightforward way to approach this and use that as kind of like a pilot maybe on a small scale. So for example, I, Matt, first of all, Matt, thank you so much for doing all that work and research and towards the bottom of your spreadsheet, I saw that there was something for the racial justice rising, right? Which if they were lectures that for which we provided funding to provide signing, that that's a very limited budget, right? I mean, it could be one thing that we then can use as a baseline or just as an example, like you were saying, Matt, about sending a message at the council is looking at this and looking to really have that as an ongoing practice. So that was just one thing I saw that seemed to jump out as pretty straightforward to be able to support and a 15% for what their their grant would be is a low, you know, it's a very affordable figure, I think in our overall budget too. So I don't know if there are maybe two or three others for which we can designate. It looks like some of the costs are one hundred and five dollars an hour, which seems pretty reasonable. And there are plenty of programs that we've been asked to fund that really are about an hour long. And if we just agreed to allocate like twenty five hundred dollars, it would be terrific after the grant awards are made. For those, if there are a couple of people who are really interested in this and making the accessibility package happen, they that little group, two or three people could then just start contacting the awardees. And then and then the people would be also able to follow up with the awardees at the end, right? And say, OK, yeah, and kind of have to wrap up. Yeah. Yeah. One, I think this is fantastic work. Thank you so much, Matt, for looking into all of this. And I think it's great to find some way to kind of kickstart this. And I like the number of twenty five hundred, which is less than the fifteen percent. It also happens to be half of what Gigi sent out of the five thousand fifty six that's left over funds anyway. Right. So it's it's a it's a it's a nice piece for us to do this. I do think we have to be careful at this point about making any kind of requirement of anyone. I would much rather use this fund, especially since it's not hard coded in in our guidelines for this this year that they apply for to go out and to offer to support and nurture and inspire. And yeah, there are certain applications that where we think, you know, that it would be very easy to do this. But I think it's sometimes so hard to do any of these things that it's kind of got to be like, hey, we have some some funds first come first serve. If you're interested, we thought that your program, you know, might be well suited for this and kind of wait to see who bubbles up and goes, oh, yeah, that would be great. You know, that would really make a difference because I think the money is going to be best spent with groups that share the enthusiasm as opposed to going back and making it a requirement that wasn't really part of the guidelines. And we'll learn a lot. So I'm really excited about this. I just want to go gently and inspire and support and let the enthusiastic people run with it. Right. Yeah, I think that that's my interesting to Julian. And and I and I like the idea of just sort of holding back, you know, picking a number and holding back those funds. And I think this first year, rather than putting anything to the artists, I think that we, you know, I like Gigi's idea of just having a few of us be the the hub, you know, and just linking up ASL and closed captioning orgs with the appropriate folks and just calling them and saying, hey, you know, we want to offer this to you. Let's make this happen. And, you know, we make it happen this year. And then in future years, I think we can start to ask artists to, you know, to kind of I mean, really, the goal is always to make your art accessible early rather than late. And so, you know, so you don't have to transcribe your music later. You start with a transcript and and, you know, work from there, for example. Robin, you had your hand up. You were going to I'm so excited. It was great. OK, we need to bring this to closure, I think. OK, well, $2,500 is on the table. It can go up. It can go down. Do I hear? I think that's a great amount. We could anybody that has written stuff, we could. Say you need to do large print. I mean, you start really small and we'll give you a little bit extra money for it, you think. And the other end, not right now, but is to also encourage disabled to support disabled artists for making art, which is the other end of this. And probably think of other things, but. I didn't mean to interrupt. We might want. I can't. Did everybody else just lose him? Yeah, we just lost Matt. OK. Can't hear you, man. Oh, dear. Matt's not able to be heard. I also think this is a good opportunity for us. And I don't have the skill set, perhaps, to put together a press release at some point during the season that we're doing this. Yeah, it's more publicity and we can use that for the go fund me or however we're collecting funds that, hey, we're doing a little bit of this with a couple of key groups. We'd like to do more people who'd like to support access to the arts for those that are disabled, donate here. I think it's a great fundraising effort idea. And you're muted somehow. Probably for the best. It might be. We missed. We're trying to get our final decision made. Well, I was just going to propose, I think there is a motion on the table to set aside twenty five hundred for this and then I would tack on to that motion that we create another subcommittee that sort of, you know, generates ideas, facilitates the connection between artists and accessibility folks and then reports back out to the larger group, you know, for approval and progress and things like that. Is that a motion that you're making? I'm making that motion to motion second that. Do you did you get enough of that, Jenny? I did. OK, we need to vote by roll call. So I'm going to just call names voting on the amount. The amount and the concept. Twenty five hundred dollars and a subcommittee subcommittee. So one OK. OK, Rachel. Yes, me. Yes, Julianne. Yes, Sandra. Yes, Jenny. Yes, Robin. Yes, Arthur. Yes, Matt. Yes, OK, sorry, Cole. Me too. Oh, I'm sorry. OK, thank you. OK, and I steal the spotlight real quick. I'll do it in less than a minute and a half for something fun that's not on the agenda. Good. I have an email from the Pecha Kucha folks and. They are just trying to bring things along and they've got a Pecha Kucha online virtual something coming up in February. We haven't really done anything, but they wanted groups to send in 20 images on the topic of love. And we've got a bunch of us here, some of us who might be photographically minded and I thought it'd be fun if we could each of us and one or two or something that we love about Amherst, just an image. And maybe we can get enough to put together 20 slides that would go there, but then we could promote it on our social media. And even though we haven't done Pecha Kucha, it's kind of a fun thing to highlight what there is to love about Amherst and our community and our arts and cultures, and it's kind of a thing that we could share to work. And then I would throw it together for them. So we don't have to finish that now. We could take it up by email, but I just thought they're a deadline for it, Julianne. There will be, because I'll have to put it together also and get it to them so I can send more details. But I give it to you yesterday. Great. So this is to promote the Pecha Kucha, Julianne. Yeah, I can actually pull with the email to everyone. We'll learn more from the email. Okay. So I just, but I think, you know, to execute if, if we can each try to send something. And yes, I know I haven't sent in my bio of portraits. So I'm not a good team player, but I know you all will be. You've done your, you've done your share of work. Okay. On to allocating funds. How did the spreadsheet come out, Julianne? I did just send it to everyone. And I don't know how actionable it's going to be because we, we, as far as grant numbers, dollar amounts, I'd say we don't even have that for half or half at once. Oh, okay. So we can't. Okay. Yeah. And I had a question about your amounts. I think I pulled 40,700 from the LCC site and your email said 40,300. So I think we've got an extra 400. Okay. I believe it's 40,700. I'm hoping to get off as committee. It's typo. Well, I said, there's a 40. So is it 40,700? It is. And then in the spreadsheet that I sent out, I added in the 5,056. And now we would need to back out the 2,500 for the motion we just passed. Right. Okay. So we've got 42, over 43,000. 400 minus 2,500 plus. I mean, I could update it and send the spreadsheets out again. Again, I just don't have enough grant suggestions necessarily to act on it. So let's start, let's just start at the beginning. It's always a good place to start. And try allocating money. If my numbers were right, at least when I went through and totaled up how much money I had personally thought to allocate, I was way low. So I went back and upped them. And I still think we can fund a lot more fully than we anticipated, I think. We're ready a lot. Gigi, you're at 40. So we can bump it up to full in the partial round? Well, I think, yes. So I think we can bump a lot up. That's what I found too when I played with just a few numbers that I saw there, close to being able to fully fund a lot of things. Right. So I think let's start with that in mind. Are we pretty much set? I have a question. Are we pretty much set with the list, Gigi? And everyone can agree that what Gigi sent, that the list of all funded and the list of no funds or denials is accurate? Right. I've got to admit I missed that list. Yeah, I didn't get that list either. I was looking for it and never saw it. I am. It's attached to. It seems pretty accurate to me when I went through it. Shoot. Well, we'll start at the top. Can you read it? Number one. I think somebody's going to have to share a screen. It's just going to have to happen. I don't know where this is that you're sharing. It was an attachment on one of the first emails, the first email after our last meeting. Right. So it would have been sent out on January 21st. Yeah. I woke up at five at 7. Yeah. Yeah, pretty early. Yeah. Roger Thornhill. Boward Amherst Coastal County. I can't pull it up. But then I think I lose. Do I lose seeing you if I do that? If you square it, just share your screen, you will. I can share it. I think other. Because it is kind of critical. Is this list also at the end of our panel books? There is no need to because I can't even. There we go. Thank you. So the grants denied were for seven hours. Jesse Green. Stockwell, do your art. Isabella Delolio's first grant proposal for Greg's Doors. The infamous English Tudor blog. The theater ticket access project because it takes place in 2022. Kenneth Harris, which was prime time, scamming prevention. The Whipple and Morales, who were coming here from the Cape. Lorna Ritz, we thought was too small a group. And then the theater project out in Pittsfield. Right. And I kind of, I wanted to report back on Elizabeth Polveri, who's I am still a man. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I spoke with my co-worker Amanda, who had worked with her a couple years ago. And I also kind of took a closer look at the way everything is set up for that grant. And mostly because a lot of red flags were going off for me. And I was feeling uncomfortable, both the large amount of the grant and that she hadn't sent any kind of confirmation that the public art committee, it's not a commission, it's a committee, which I have been on before, had not approved it or sent her any kind of confirmation that the space that she's proposing to use to us is actually available. I also was feeling uncomfortable in that UMass won't be able to invite people from the town to come and visit anything on campus. And a little bit in that she, I've looked at her. I feel like she is not a maker. She's very, very, I want to say, she's very committed and really passionate about civil rights and racial rights and all kinds of things. And so I feel like she's impressive that way. This project really does kind of take off from another much more famous project. And I feel like I would like to deny at this point and ask that if she does want to do it badly, that she solidify her venue and that it get approved by the public art committee. I'd like to leave that on their doorstep because they're the ones that are, if they make the approval, they can look at her a little more closely than we can around the concept of the exhibition. And Amanda feels like they worked with her for a little bit on some promotional stuff. And we didn't see her very much. So she threw a few ideas out for us, but then wasn't really terribly involved in following through on things. It's appeared. Yeah, and I feel like the grant feels a little bit like that too. It's not very fully developed. I don't feel the project is fully developed. And her ducks aren't in a row. And I just feel like that's a lot of money to give to somebody for a project that's supposed to start next week. So and it just, I don't know. That's my gut feeling about it. OK, well, it'll come up as we go. I'll come up later. But thank you for going into that so closely. Before we go through, I've been trying to now transpose the grants denied over to the chart to make sure it all lines up. I don't have a page 282, Kenneth Harris. That was way at the end. So but I think I just want to be sure around two. Oh, sorry about that. That's OK. 280 may have been. I think it was 482. 285, the creative outspoken entrepreneur. I think that's. Kenneth Harris. Sorry about that. But I wonder if there wasn't another one, 285 with the creative outspoken entrepreneur, blah, blah, blah. I think you also said that. I think you did. Fixed it or not. We said no on that one. Oh, you did. OK, that wasn't on the list. OK, OK, so that list. So it had to have been on the list. No, it's not. I don't think it was on the denial. It means it's not on the denial list. It's not. Then why did I have? Oh, I actually have a note saying questioning whether or not I did. Then that's so OK. Sorry to interrupt, but I think I've got all of them now. OK, I'm going to. Kenneth Harris, did we say no? No, he's doing puppets about scams or something. I don't know. So we said not appropriate. I was also just wondering. I know when we talked about the play, like canary in the gold mine or whatever, people, it was like still kind of ambiguous because we weren't sure just like if we should be funding that type of promotion of science that we don't know if it's right. People said they were going to look into it more. I just was was that one of the ones people were saying might be denied as well. That might be denied. I don't think we were as definitive about it as we could be. OK, let's just start at the top. Those will resurface. I just tried to capture what were some obvious ones. So I can stop sharing now. Gigi, do you still need this list up there? Oh, let me just let me just run through the I guess, I guess not. OK, the fully fund list is pretty long, but we'll get down to it right here. OK, OK, well, let's start with live from the sanctuary. I wrote down 60 or 60 percent, which would be 300. Yeah, see, I think we can go up from that, at least I think 400. I agree. That's what I put down for. So I agree. OK. Does someone want to keep a running tally? You will know that I am on on it. OK, thank you so good. The songs and singing games. Wait, so we're saying four hundred. Yeah, four hundred for the live from the sanctuary. So children's songs and singing games. That's Roger Tinknell, who's done lots and lots of programs. He's asking for five hundred. We thought that was a little bit high because it's a one shot thing, but. And to be consistent with other. Right, so maybe three hundred and five hundred. I think three fifty. I think we're doing like three fifty for a lot of. That sounds fine. And we can do this and run the numbers to see how it all goes. And then we can add fifty and take off fifty if we, you know. A walk in two parts. They're asking for five hundred. This one is like a lot of what it was. Oh, that's the one in Northampton. You know. Hampton. That takes place in Laurel Park, Laurel Park, right? I'm happy to fund twenty percent, you know, of what they asked or maybe a little more. That's only hundreds. Yeah, so how about how about one fifty? That's. That sound OK. None of us are excited. Real live theater presents. I give this one five hundred. OK. Oh, you can afford more for that one. I I I like what they do. Let's give it a little more than I had him at seven fifty. This was one that we thought about reaching out for accessibility. If you want to flagging those two, right? Seven. Seven fifty is fine. I really think we have plenty of money. OK, that one I should put. Should I put like a star for disability so that we could reach out? Sure. Yeah, I think that's a great idea. OK, so. Ending community is gallery. They're a pretty red butter visual arts organization, you know, for town. Right. I they're this much money, but I feel like if we can afford it, it'd be great to give them some more than than what we've usually done. I agree. I had him at thirty five hundred. Yeah, I'd even, which would make it, I think our largest grant. Yeah, that's far. That's I personally, I would go up to four thousand if only because what it's doing is yeah, maybe our artists from having to pay. Yeah, so much for rent and stuff like that. And I think they're having a hard time. I'm sure they're having everybody's having a hard time, but it is one of the gems of our community. Yeah, I do four thousand if we have it. I'd love to do four. Wow, OK. By far, I think the highest we've ever gone by by far. So, you know, as we had an extraordinary year, ordinary year, and we have. Yeah, and APAC is the other organization that is another visual arts is the Amherst Public Art Commission, the ones that are wanting to refurbish the sculptures, the silhouettes and we funded them. So this feels just feels good 15. We're really covering a lot of this our bread and butter for visual arts. The Children's Choir Tuition Assistance, we kind of said. That's four hundred dollars. Yeah, that's a hundred one. Yeah. Yeah. OK, I need to leave. But thank you guys. I'll see you all tomorrow, I guess. Yeah, we may not be finished tonight. I'll. OK, tomorrow. Yeah, I'm sure we'll meet tomorrow. OK. OK. Yeah. Hi, Sydney. Thank you, Sydney. So home, sweet home. Resting for one hundred people think about. I thought they're asking for it a lot. It's a lot to put on our presentation. We said earlier, half funded, maybe better. Well, I assume. I'll call you after. What we are on in town with you. Pardon me. So we are in town with. Hmm. What did I miss one? Oh, Children's Choir Tuition, we agreed for last week. And then the next one. Which is the musical pathway thing. Well, right. And so we're on the next one. OK. And they asked for 1600. This is one of the ones that I bumped up to full funding, actually, simply because it's happening in in Amherst at the Hitchcock Center, something that's close to home. It's climate science art. Yeah. Yes, we do have public science and that's important to fund. So OK, yeah, science with that. So full. What number is that then? That's page 61, 41951. Thanks, 1600 for that one. Yes. Napshot. Make it your seven, I think. Had it down is full funding. Mm hmm. 400. So we have Elizabeth Pegburn down for two grants. Is that kosher? No, no. That's her second one. I never could find it. I thought it's the third one down and the one we just the one we were going to find is 50. How did we miss that? Good job, Jenny. Parts, you some? Yeah. Yeah. You're right. So then should we not let's not fund the walk and do the other one? Mm hmm. Yeah, agreed. Choice. I thought I saw her name twice, but then I could never get back to it. Yeah, I thought you too. And then I just realized I saw them both there and like, oh. So she's the person to walk in two parts. He's the one who has applied. I know that there are more people involved in that. So welcome to part. Yeah, but if she's applied, then it's her. Yeah, we should check that. Applicant name and let's just thank them. But the email is the theater truck. As it can type unincorporated individual. Yeah, theater truck is the other nation. So. Well, we're as number eight. It's her email. Also unincorporated. So. Yeah. Yes, what? That's not going to work. Yeah, you're right. So. So we walk into parts is out. Oh, I think she. Yeah, snapshot of shapes is better. Right. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's what you hit. Your instinct was to fully fund them that that one. I missed that meeting. OK. Plus, it was 400. So. Mine as well is to fully fund. So page 24 has to go on the denial list. I think they're both with the same amount of money. Well, one was for the other one's 500. Yeah. And the one we're keeping is a shot of a shape. If we so. And fully funding that one, four hundred. Oh, that's what we'd agreed to do. Oh, OK. Thank you, Jenny, for catching that. You're welcome. OK. For a thousand. Will this also be something we'd put on the list for accessibility? Sure. I had it at six hundred. That's what I had as well to cover the space rental. Pefti, let's keep it at six hundred. OK. Hammers, do your art, I believe, was denied. When it's gone. Yeah. OK. Moistros, Caminos, I guess I'd like to fully fund that. I have down as much as we can. Well, three thousand. That's really fun. OK, so here we are canary in the goldmine, which is the one with the problematic science, I believe. I'd like to get more information. Yeah. Um, I get medical updates, stuff every day from residual journals and there really isn't any science showing it. I'm not saying it doesn't have an impact, but I don't think the way that's presenting it is particularly accurate. Is this especially with COVID or 5G or something? 5G, yeah. Yeah. You know, and all we've gone through with COVID-19 and mystical science. Yeah, you have to be careful. What what? Which one of our guidelines does this not fill? Promoting science. That isn't science. It's actually a tough one to reject because it's a play and it's written. I mean, I want to reject it, but it's harder because there's so much art. Yeah, so it's comedy, too. Arts goes down easier. Sorry, Matt. Well, so I I remember a long discussion about this and I was actually in your boat, Julian, of sort of like. I would like to reject it, but it may have an aesthetic value and maybe it'll trigger a good conversation. I thought Cole raised a number of well, several people raise a number of strong points around the lack of a comprehensive science foundation here that they have one person with an MD or a PhD behind their name. It's not as though this is like a comprehensive scientific approach. But the thing for me that sort of sealed the rejection letter and gave Gigi the the piece that we lost again. You know, it was just I know he was just going to say that you're like my letter for me when you get in the fifty bucks. That you put out again again. I want to know you lost me. Can you hear me now? Yeah, you said the thing about the letter is this is what I was going to put in the letter. That this project is not going to happen. Literally, Cole is not going to accept it. If we don't fund it. So the co letter, the quote unquote letter of support that co wrote actually says, you know, if they can raise money, we will we'll be on board. So so co is not yet truly on board this project. So I don't think that they have sufficient support to actually get this thing off the launching pad unless we're the ones who provide the funds to make it happen. And to me, that's that's a huge red flag. So they don't have a home unless we fully fund it is your interpretation. That's how I read it. Interesting. The only. Well. Where are they going to raise the additional sixty three hundred? Is what you're saying? What I'm saying is I'm just flipping to find the letter. What I'm saying is the letter from co, which is on page one four team. If you look at page one fifteen, the second page of the co letter, it says, well, we're delighted to provide a home. We recognize this is an expensive proposition. We wish we could support the full process, but alas, the artists whose work we need to present have to develop it on their own. I urge you to provide this team of financial resources they need to bring this to its full potential. So I read this as being co is not financially supporting it. The question would be like we I think people are talking about we could give them a hundred dollars and hope it falls through. But then it's like if in a few years it comes out that the science was like really inaccurate and misleading, we might not want our name like behind anything. I feel so strongly about not having our name on this. I'm glad that Matt's giving us this interpretation so that they can always come back and challenge us. That's true. They can. So and then if it really came down to that, you know, as in my years with it. If there was a panel discussion about the issues as part of this or a workshop, I'm really worried about also false science. I just that's what I'm saying. If there was a discussion or a workshop, but there isn't. So I think unless I missed it or we can't make that happen. No. And so I think if they're motivated to appeal, which they probably aren't, you know, I think. We can move on. So are we saying you're. No, we'll find a reason. Yeah, I, I think science. It's supposed to be science, but it's not. It's tricky and it may get. This may be the one that needs reconsideration, but that's not going to kill us. Edible wild plants walk. He's asking for 50. One. I only had 250, but looking at it and looking at everything that's out there, is this one we should fully fund? I can't remember why we didn't. Yeah, I voted to fully fund it. Yeah, I agree. I like this one. What he does, we've got to fund something. Yeah, I could support fully funding it. You too. I like this one. Nammers, it's closed. Obviously, the probably will go on gets they only asked for 350. So we give them 350, right? The mystery of missing music. Yeah, why do we have on the next one? Yes, I have them. Well, well, I think together. Mending. There. That's you, Pong Lynn. I gave this one 1300 because I thought it was a very strong proposal. OK, we said as a group, definitely at least half. And I think, you know, we could support up to 1500 then. OK. OK. And then we have Amherst Cinema. OK. We had that down as full. And the next one, too. Yeah. And then the next one is after that is a zero for the Craig's door. One. And then the Amherst Walks is fully fund. Yeah. Which takes us to the Arcadia players. Right. How are we doing on the way? We have I'm keeping an eye on the money. So. Of our grant pool now with the 2500 deducted for the accessibility, we have four thousand three hundred and change to allocate right now, as far as where we are, there's still seven thousand available over and above what we've confirmed and the average is coming up on the sheet. So we don't I don't think we really have, quote, seven thousand, because I think some of the averages are really low. But there's money. OK. Yeah. But only seven thousand. No, we have more over and above. Of what's that over the full funding, right? Yeah. OK. So Arcadia players, we normally have given them in the past a thousand. Um, maybe maybe fifteen hundred. OK. Yeah, it's still a pretty good job. I had been at a thousand. OK. That's fine. OK. I'm always confused. What do we want? Which one are we on? Well, seventy seven. But. Hey. People are coming in and out. What page are we on? Then I'll just go there. One seventy seven. Yeah, seventy. Oh, yeah. One seventy seven. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks. OK. It is. OK. Now I'm put up. She said. Are we moving on then? The next one was fully funded. Becoming. Well, I'm lost. Oh, yeah, the senior center. I'm a senior. OK. Plague wedding. Yes. Yes. Plague wedding. Plague wedding. It was. I think this one had half. OK. So did anybody. The plague wedding. Did anybody else go back and look at some of the other materials that were in that submission? I. I did not. I just. I had a bit at five hundred. Yeah. Five hundred. Yeah. Tramont. Pull. Access is zero. Oh, you know, I had to go. All right. He's asking for a thousand. Um. With. What? Where the stipends between it and Shoshona King did get back to me and said, yes, that is the case. Um, and she, you know, will be looking at one of the town parks. She hasn't lined that up. But I think, you know, that'll be pretty good. But can we fully fund since it's an Amherst? I think it's nice to fully fund it. I think that would be a really big boost. And I'll just have to remind her that it's not for food. Go ahead. Okay. That'll be good. And. Great. Okay, seven hours. So the full funding. Huh? Full funding. Shoshona. Yes. The jump means. Yeah. It's nothing. You said no to the next one. No, they're out. Restoration of poetic. Full. August, full. Musical. The musical. This was the kids at PV. PVPA. Yeah. I think if we. This is cool. I'd like to. Let's fund it fully if we can. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. I like hearing a young voice say yes. Right of passing. That was a zero. Oh, that's easy. Where did that come in? Yeah. Yeah, that's it's field. Yeah. Okay. Zero. Great, but. And fully funded. Hey. Yeah. Yeah. Which one are we fully funding? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that was that creative. Something or another. Creative entrepreneurs. And CEO. Yeah. We did. We rejected that. Yeah. I think we said no. Okay. That's the one I didn't have on the list. And then she, chain saws and cheeseburgers is no. Yeah. Yeah. River stories for the Valley classrooms. That's Nolan back. Yeah, Nolan back up. Yeah. I think we've got the money to fully fund this one if we want to. I think we should. Again. Yeah. Yeah. I think we've got the money to fully fund this one. If we want to. I think we should. Again. Yeah. Yeah. Senior theater is. Just. Maybe the slide. Anything. Yeah. Yeah. That. Is a spy pen for him. But it's a multi. It's not a one day thing. It's. Rehearsals and getting the. Seniors together and. Right. A lot of work for very little money. That's what I'm thinking. Okay. A lot of work. We're putting that at full. We'll show on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And. Oh, they do. That was zero. Yeah. Yeah. Next one. Clear Creek Collective. That was fully funded. A co. Yeah. 1800. And the next one. We fully funded you, Matt. Yep. Oh, the African music virtual teaching. Program. That was the one with 10 sessions. You're not set up yet, but I think it'd be great to support him. Yes. Him. To him. I had it at 750, which may still be high. I'm sorry, what did you say, Jenny? I was thinking, you know, if no less than a thousand and see what he could put together for that. You might, you know, he might end up getting five. Right. But that seems like a good chunk of. Yeah. I would support this one. And I would support a full funding if we have. If we have available funds. I mean, I think this is. Yeah. An exciting project. The only thing. If fully funded. I'm sorry, what did you say, Jenny? I was thinking, you know, if no less than a thousand and see what he could put together for that. You know, he might end up getting five. Right. But that seems like a good chunk of. That's a good point. Yeah. That's a good point. That's a good point. That's a good point. That's a good project. The only thing. If folks have reservations about. It's not a fully baked plan yet. So I don't think it would be unreasonable to go back to him and ask for a more detailed plan. If folks have reservations because we haven't worked with him before, but I think that the quality of the work and the. The cultural diversity and just. I just think it's a high value project that we should fund if we put it in for two grand. You didn't for two grand. Yeah. That sounds like a good money. Orchestra in the orchard. We fully funded that, right? Yes. The next one, the Valley Jazz Voices fully funded. And also the next one after that. Big band. Yeah. Yeah. And did I tell you all what the, what one of the plans for the North common is for next summer in terms of. Grass. No. If it's still necessary. Oh yeah. They can mow all of that grass in six foot squares. Oh. So there'll be six. There'll be one square that's mowed. And then it'll look like a checkerboard, but it'll keep people apart and give pods a little place to sit. You know, anyway. I thought that actually it's really cool. Yeah. I think it is. It's so interesting how like architecture is beginning to develop around. Grass happening. Okay. Caribbean connection. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not here, but I'd like to give them a decent amount. Okay. 2000. 1000. I had him at 1000. But definitely not here is the thing. Right. Right. Well, If we only give them 1000, I'm afraid we won't be invited to the house party. I'm just saying. We know where she lives. I don't know where she lives. Are you saying we're crashing the house party? You give her a box. You can crash. No, you don't need a friend. I am. Yeah. So what are we saying 1000. Out of three. All splendor is fully funded. Find your happy place. I think people really like that. So I think that. Yeah, that was the one I think the money is mostly going into. Getting buying or providing materials for people, the first 20 people. It doesn't seem like a lot. Yeah, it's not much. No. And then the drawing that was Lorna Ritz. And we put zero. Brumming was fully funded. 200. Yeah. Gratial justice 100. Yeah. English tutor blog. Now you sure you don't want to reconsider this. I really don't. I think that was sarcasm, right? I think so. That's what I hate about. Wednesday folk traditions. If you like that, I think that's what we want to do. That's something that we fully funded. Okay. 1000. All right. That was what we just talked about. Right? Right. Yeah. That's just my opinion too. So I'm just bringing in information. I want to speak out as to, you know, So, you know, I'd be fine to reject it. Jenny, I've got a question for you. Yeah, with the UMass public art council. Is that what it is public art council. It's a committee really it's not, not active. So it's, it's, it. Yeah. So would they be able to give out funding for this. I'm worried that this might be a very cool project that could actually happen. And if we don't fund it at all, then it just dies. It's not enough for us to go through them to get space at UMass. Right. Yeah, that's it's they, they have, they have, and I found their application and everything. And I know, you know, Simon meme who is the head of the library looks at the applications, but I, you know, as a committee, I don't think we've ever been asked to look at anything. So I'm not sure what really even happens. There, I think. I think it's kind of like a, a, a, a, a, a kind of like this to happen. But. I think that the process of the committee hasn't been fully kind of. Utilize. So I don't. It's kind of, I feel like it kind of gets stuck. And. They're going to have to get themselves together in order to really review and figure out what they want to do with us. Clearly says the only other organization that will be involved. So requirement because she can't just put things up she has to give approval. I would argue for funding this with $1,000 maybe maybe 750, which is not the full amount at all. And if, if it doesn't work out, then we get that money back next year. And if it does work out, then it does something good. Yeah, you could do that. I'm just, I'm a little bit worried it just feels like the whole project centers around like black male identity. And so it feels a little bit weird that it's not run by anyone who has any of those like a little yeah. She's just producing it, or is, I mean, like, it exists and she's the one who's going to get it out into the world or she doing the thinking of it. She's a photographer. And they're mostly her friends. Okay. And, you know, when, when you look at the application. It's just to have these them on the, on the windows. Right. And then on the backside it says what their dreams are. We don't see what their dreams are in the application like I don't know if she's done that work yet. You know, they're, it seems incomplete to me. It's not, it's not possible for the public to consume the art during coven right own limitations and with the university particularly not even wanting vehicle traffic. Right. And then you wouldn't be able to see their dreams they're just pictures. And so, unless she, you know, she, she alternates them but then half of them are lost, you know, half of them are inside and half of them are outside and just whoever is in the building, which is limited these days. And we don't even know that she'll be able to display them. Right. And we don't know if she can display them. I feel like it would be stronger if she were to wait, and to get the full approval, and, and build some, you know, build some momentum around them some PR around them. She, if she needs to be questioned and certainly she, she may get questioned about being a white woman trying to represent under an underserved population, she needs to be prepared to ask answer those questions so it may make for a better project down the road. Kind of have the advantages that she's going to be working with us again. So, I'm not sure that I know anything about it but if she needs help in with respect in the respect of getting this together she has us as a resource. I asked this question I think when the first time we discussed this proposal about like the whole permit permitting and things like that so Matt I have a question for you with. Did you have a similar reading of this application like in a similar way to what you said earlier about the canary in the gold mine one where it's like if there's no money that's not going to go ahead. And so it's kind of like a catch 22 did you did that kind of come across your radar at all with regards to this. I think I had red flags in a similar fashion like look, we would be the first ones, the first body to stamp our seal of approval. I think Jenny insights into the campus. I think that's, for me that makes Cindy, Gigi's letter kind of easy to write in the sense of, you know, the public performance of this is just not set and not viable right now yeah you know between the 10 of us, or nine of us. I just said, you know that's that's my, my core objection, my core concern is that, and I think Jenny put it well, you know we would want to. That's a genuine concern question for her. And if this is a, this is a quality piece that she needs she would need to be ready to answer that, and we just don't have any indication that she's done, she's done that work yet so that's a very quick point in a normal grant year, which I've only been through one but it's clear as a bell, this would have been rejected in the first week early on, without that that documentation, yes, we've it's going to be here on these dates we've accepted it. So, I don't think we have to bend over backwards, especially since she's not suggesting a virtual slideshow, you know, none of that's there. So, I think it's easy and I think you're right it could be better. Okay, a little pushback. Moving right along. So that's a no. That's a no. Um, I love the idea I think a lot of us love the idea, but absolutely. And we should be be promoting underserved populations as white people, we should be doing that. If I could just send one last time. That's better. Oh, go ahead. I think so I think that there are a lot of criticisms that are very important that I've heard that are that are good criticisms. The one about whether or not those are questions questions that she's able to answer. I mean, I don't know if we can really, if we should be declining it based on that because we don't know if she's able to answer those questions. And we don't really ask that of any of the other people that we fund either there are questions about all these pieces of art that they're gonna have to answer. You know, we don't really ask them to, to answer those questions like whether or not it's, it is artistically viable whether or not it's ethical in like those very specific ways for any of the other artists. What I mean is that I don't know, I don't know if we can say she can come back to us and ask for for money later, because that would be a year later and she's a student, and there's a fairly good chance that one. She won't be an Amherst anymore. And the last thing is aren't able to go to UMass and see but there will be thousands of people living on campus at UMass next semester from what I understand. And they'll be able to see it. I think that this could still happen if we fund it at a small fraction of what she's asking for. And if it doesn't happen because anything falls apart the project isn't well developed. Then the only detriment to us is that $500 $750 of our money isn't used for a year, which I don't think is that big of a deal this year especially when we have not really a glut of money but we're funding things quite a bit. Cole, I appreciate what you're saying in a sense that it's almost like it's, I guess as a council whether or not we want to be taking this risk really right of supporting a project and potentially opening up a conversation. But we cannot really control or direct and I think I agree with what Jenny was saying about it's like the concept and other people have said the concept is great but we have reservations about the execution, given the right and the implementation given the the current realities I guess, and, but I really appreciate the fact that Cole is stating his strong support for this and I don't know what you all want, you know, we all want to do about the grant itself but I support Cole's position, I guess that's what I wanted to say. I appreciate Cole's point of view and it certainly is something that, you know, could could sway just thinking as far as the number of students that are on campus and the dialogue that needs to happen I wish I'd more confidence in this person to deliver it but that you know we did support the UMass installation and funded it fully even though campus isn't open but you know there were the posters going out to the public and a lot of other things so I could go one way or the other on this, you know with some sort of token funding but again you know in a normal grant year we wouldn't even have to consider so. We can we can put all that in the letter like if you know it's kind of like we're we want to support this initiative right but under normal circumstances what Julianne just said, going that way in the denial letters. Yeah, I mean if follow up from like Jenny would be great, you know here's what you could do to do it better next year, but the denial letters really have to be focused on the real essential problem. And this one is unless the conversation and vote on it goes differently is that it's not fully planned and it doesn't have the approval of the university which is absolutely critical it can't go forward without it. The root of it really. That's that is that is, that's the reason for the denial. I support that GG and it's true all these other factors that we've been talking about are all worth thinking about it and talking and Jenny doing a little bit of behind the scenes, all that is as well and good but the core denial. As Julianne said I mean you know the core denial is that the project is not ready to go. It doesn't meet the criteria, especially since they didn't even try with a virtual component. Right, if she can turn it around with a denial that she's, she's given two weeks. Yeah. None of this will will vote to not I guess we can vote tonight. We still have 1326 dollars that I don't have allocated. But only a few less. That's astonishing. Oh, I went all the way to the. No, no, we have even more because I have to deny this other one. Right prime time prevention is zero. Didn't we say hilltown families was full or we didn't. It wasn't on the list as full. It wasn't I don't, I don't remember. We did, we did say it was going to be full, but it wasn't on the list. You're right. So then the next, yeah, that one and then the last one was on the list for fully funded. So that brings us to 1,826 is still in the pool for allocation. I can't believe we're that close. I don't want to give the Caribbean festival more. I do. I do too. Can we give them another 500. I'm sorry. I missed it. What are we voting on? Well, we're just talking about whether we can start going back. I like the Caribbean festival and like to support them more. Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah. 1500 if we can that's their half their ass. Okay. So that's Caribbean connection. They're at 1500. Who else has a pet project that one that needs a little more love on here. It seems like everything on the back page is fully funded. If it's funded at all. Well, no, the Caribbean. Well, not Caribbean, but, but other than that's why. Dude, I'm going to go have to go look and see who didn't get. They asked for gallery. I think we did fully fund them in the end or no. I think we went to 4,000. I've got it on the list. Let me see. We already gave them a lot of money. I think we have 4,000. I don't. I'd rather have someone else. So the other thing we can do. If we don't find another project is the accessibility work. You know, I mean that budget, there's no, you know, while there's a max, but, but there's plenty of space to spend funds there. Yeah. That's true. Can we give Roger to now 400. Sure. Yes. Okay. So how much is left now Julian. Yeah. I think we have 1,276. Can we give more to the, the project that. What is it called the walking together mending tears. I was thinking. Page 133. Right now we have 1500. Is that correct? Yeah. Yeah. You want to go. Yeah. How much do you want to do? I would, I personally voted to fully fund them, but I don't know if anybody else did. I support that. I think it's a great project. And I also want to say that the use of funds that she has in mind, which is to pay the folks who are going to be the walking years, whatever I forget what that even is, but it seems like it was to work. Okay. Yeah. Those folks is a good thing to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. That's great. It seems like we have. $200. I have 726. What did I miss? Yeah. We could give Arcadia players a little more. I don't know. What do you want to bump them up to. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. 1500. We have that much left. All right. So we have 225. Left. I'm sorry, intro. I just want to warn you that it's four minutes to 630. And I have to end the meeting on time because I have to leave this building. So. Okay. So are we not giving anything to the I am. Yeah. It's been made. I wasn't clear on based on. Yes, it was made. I think so. Okay. There's a recital film. They were giving 604 and they asked for a thousand. We could give them the extra 225. Okay. Do you know who. Who the applicant was for that? Alan. You know, I think he saw it. Probably. Let's see. Three minutes. Oh, you're breaking up. Yeah. We're not going to be able to vote. We're going to have to meet tomorrow and. Okay. I can send this out to everyone. I can send this out to everyone. So we all have. Sorry. And I would appreciate if anyone wants to check. If anyone else wrote numbers down, please somebody check my work. Okay. Yeah, I wrote numbers down. Okay. Good night. Thank you, Cindy. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.