 They we might you know spend the first ten minutes or ever talking about that funny thing with that that resume for video Yeah, I thought you were gonna say we're gonna spend the first ten minutes talking about 65 and then move on to the other movies I can possibly talk about that movie for that long Rags. What do you mean? Showing thing is something. Mm-hmm. Well It'll be talked about no problem Because yeah, we I don't think there needs to be much Chatter about the old Like like missionaries mode is gonna be talked about it's um Maybe maybe that could be sequestered here along with that other topic because I was gonna say that like it's good Yeah, if you want I haven't played it yet. So it's good. It's it's it's what you'd expect and I want more stuff in it That's I don't want with it. Yeah. I think I've s-plus to everybody. I've only s-plus I was gonna say only the only reason I haven't s-plus plus is Louise um the Reality was that I really like playing as a Crouser and hunk and to the point where I wouldn't mind having them unlocked for campaign just to see how the game plays with the their crazy approach actually, yeah, but Louise is cool that he's in there and that you can play as him, but I don't know. I was like he's a bit slow And I think that's deliberate, right like to try and mix it up in terms of what power everyone has I didn't feel like his His damage compensates for that. He has um, you might have the biggest damage move out of everybody that that tnt drop But it's um, yeah, I found the melee attack Kind of weird as well. It kind of locks you in a bit too much like it feels um the pipe Like yeah kind of locks into like a lengthy animation that doesn't seem to have as great of it like it Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, cuz like Leon's obviously like a great all-rounder And then Crouser is super duper fun, especially with his like power up Um and his knife is really useful as well and then hunk was cool as well. Yeah, it was like Just sort of it's just all about like blasting people with as many bullets and and happy The instant kill for melee attacks is like it's kind of traded off because like Leon and Crouser like The good thing with the melee attack is the area of effect getting multiple enemies. Yeah Hong Kong we gets one but but it means that you can stun and instantly kill like big sort of mini boss enemies So that's that's super useful. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I find that The helps it's kind of a funny trade-off in terms of how long it takes to kill the average ganado But then like he's been said Any of the main bosses you can insta-kill but the Crouser's Crouser special abilities amazing. It can kill most of the specials in like four hits Slices through them and that's a huge area of effect as well. So plenty of fun to be had His bow is awesome. His bow is awesome. That's true. That's like a totally new thing Yeah, it's stuff like that I'm like, man, don't you want to put that in like the main campaign in some way Yeah Good shot and everything. So yeah, I guess you could say that's like the addendum to talking about how Resident Evil 4 remake It was a banger. Good stuff. Well, hopefully they add some more characters, right? Like I wouldn't surprise me if they add Ada as like a playable character. Mm-hmm Now the reason what he's been Set as a foundation is that uh, someone else happens. I've already seen it. It's already mentioned in super chats I think I think it's making its rounds of the internet. I saw it thanks to um, I think it's an account on Twitter called She's Susie Hunter. She's she's done a lot of Resident Evil 4 stuff. She had a lot of Don't explain why I haven't seen many Susie's around here lately. Yeah, she's been hunting them But I think that she was like very very happy with the game And she's done a lot of coverage and a lot of cool Easter eggs been covered by her and she posted a picture of probe cats YouTube channel They ain't oh great now I'm gonna get shit tons of comments about how wrong I am about the game which seemed something like that It seemed a little bit defensive and I was like, hey, what's this? We check the good old good old name of it for those who don't know crow cat makes really awesome videos the Strong summary. Yeah, he's like commentary list, right? Like that's the idea Usually it's the commentary comes through in the editing and the choices of like footage being displayed, you know Like one-to-one comparisons Like developer interviews and stuff like sort of filtering in yeah So you'll you'll like show the one that I remember I think you you show me it was like Halo how it was made before Bungie. Yeah, like Bungie Compared to 343 industries and it was just showing Like the way that the developers would talk about development And how like Bungie would often talk about the rationale behind the choices Whereas 343 would just kind of like say the choice that they made and why and that it was good Like and and then obviously like a lot of a lot of really like great statements about Just like attitudes on video game development and like the attitude that Bungie had versus 343 And it's like, yeah, I really like that video. I like a lot of the videos he's made so You know, why ever would you mention crow cat? Well the maker of amazing videos There's awesome videos with with clips and contexts that can be compared and you can you see points being made I remember watching his one on I can't remember if it was all about far cry or if it was about it was not far cry 2 versus 5 and how like far cry 2 has a lot of Like baked into the engine kind of interesting gameplay Details of like the way that you could affect the environment like just attention to detail and level of detail That's kind of missing in later games though in later games like look better visually A lot of the interactivity is reduced And you can see that in a lot of comparisons between like Dead Rising 1 versus 4 of just like really Like pulling back the the amount of like interactivity and like physics and crazy stuff in there and so It was a bit of a surprise to know that he Was making a video that tries to um All I'd heard without any seeing any of it was that he's uh, he's going after re4 remake It's like okay, and even even with that thought in mind It's like well, we went after a little bit, you know, we we went hard on certain parts You know, so maybe maybe it's got some yeah It's got some things that could definitely change tighten up And I could see croak out being someone who might highlight similar things to us And then I uh, I see what the video is called Which is this Soul versus soulless Resident Evil 4 comparison and we were like, oh no soulless That's not I don't know about that That seems a bit much and um, funnily enough, we did actually watch it Just checked it out and it's it's a similar vein of his other videos But the idea is just every moment in the game that's in both of them You know in terms of where you go or what dialogue is said. He just plays them back to back now The description said this is a one-sided critical analysis basically of you know Resident Evil 4 goods, Resident Evil 4 remake bad It was like, oh And you get the critical analysis is interesting phraseology It's also like very obvious if anyone's familiar with both games, he'll like Uh, he's presented everything that is in Resident Evil 4 that is not in the remake as like an option be it in terms of levels or interactions He hasn't presented anything that's new and added Hasn't presented anything in the sense that like there's an improvement And the big thing uh, the g-man lives pointed out on twitter that was a little bit worrying was If you look at the comments of the video At least they were I don't know if they still are a lot of people were like, wow You know, it's such a downgrade in terms of the ambience and the You know sound effects and stuff sound design is incredibly important in video games And it's like they've lost that in the new one But it was really odd because I don't remember there being like no ambience in the remake It was it was I don't remember I was I was playing it seconds ago Just fiddling around and there's definitely ambience in it It was just it was odd because that'd be you you'd have like a scene from the original where like the Ambient sound is like very noticeable. You can hear like the wind. It's very loud or like I think one of the best comparisons would be when he's out near the church The rain is heavy this thunder strikes and it's just it's it's very it's very good Is his camera is gone with that then you'll show the remake and it'll just be like silent. It's like that is strange Yeah, I don't remember being silent And then uh, yeah g-man lives just like he just fucking pulled it all down like by 20 decibels is Yeah, decibels Levels don't seem to just match between the clips And so like he cranks it back up and you play the same scenes and you're like, oh, there's the ambience. Yeah. All right. Well, this is This has become a really awkward To make you that and then you know like near the end of the video He'll be like look at this room that we didn't get this room that we didn't get from like re4 It was funny because uh being as familiar as uh, certainly myself and rags are we started be like, well, I don't miss that room It's like that's okay Then it was like the room with the fucking swinging. I don't even know what weapons. They're called delicious Pendulums. Yeah, like those pendulum blades Um, it's such a goofy ass room and it's not like mechanically interesting You just have to wait move forward wait move forward at least like yeah, yeah We lost that soulless. It's like Well, what do you mean? Well, yeah something that was really strange watching it is that like You you compare it to a lot of the other sort of one-to-one comparison videos He's done where it's like very apparent like what has changed and what has been missing like gears one versus Yeah And particularly because of the the title of that video was gears five lacks intensity I believe and like the the main comparison is that the animations and a lot of the effects in the original game are very weighty and in the new one it's a lot quicker. It's not as it's not as weighty It's all been like sped up and that and something's been lost and it's very apparent Whereas here would be like An area and resident evil four original looks really cool And then the same area in resident evil remake that looks really cool But it looks different because it's a different, you know engine different Lighting in a lot of the scenes and just it's like wait like I don't know they both look good Like they both look good in their own ways um And then you know, there are times when it's like the original sort of retains like Has like a look that's more striking, but then there are times when the remake has a look that's more striking and so you're sitting there like Like I don't understand the soulless part like well imagine Imagine saying uh soulless is soulless, but reversing it being like they finally added soul into resident evil four Then they showed like I don't know louise's story being like you see they've added soul to it now I just feel like what are you doing? There were parts where the comparisons were like The krauser fight in the original versus the remake and like it compared the part where aida saved uh leon from krauser And and and then it cuts to the part where louise saved leon and it's like dude like that's better than louise payoff Like in the crowd so much more coherent the louise storyline like um Well and uh take for example the end credits They've taken what their idea was with the show and what happened to the village and they've they've like perfected it It's it's pretty much at the point now You don't need to change it at all because it was it seemed like probably a the really cool series of art It's like a smaller element in the um the og game in the new one. It's like fully cinematic They've done a really good job of like uh making sure that atmosphere hits um It's like but nothing nothing in terms of like what you could say the remake's done better is uh It's funny some of them are president of the video like you just said but they're presented as though It's still worse somehow. It's like okay. The problem is that the problem is that when it's called soul versus soulless Yeah, and there's a very But we look at the original then we look at the remake Like that that's generally the way that it's presented like obviously that's the way i'm going to be looking at like points of comparison Yeah, and as someone just mentioned in chat i forgot to say like in his description He was like, you know come to your own conclusion and it's like We usually We can poison the well there on that one. Yeah Usually he'll make a statement like usually he makes a statement. Um about the comparisons that he's doing It's a bit much for me to be like one of them is soulless come to your own decisions It's like Why'd you even put that in there if you're gonna do it that way? And yeah, the uh the way that the clips are edited together is not A lack of a better term objective. He's not simply presenting them. He's uh, you have to pick and choose Exactly what ones you're going to include if the video is half an hour And they're very deliberate um, so It was called a one-sided comparison and and highlighted by the fact that at the end It only shows the stuff that was missing from the remake and it doesn't show the new things that the remake added like brand new sequences, yeah Um, there was no comparison for target practice as well, which is funny because I think I said when we were watching it The majority of people would say that's been improved We would likely be the only people to say it's actually been fucked up But like I think if you play it casually you'd probably like it's very much improved But he didn't even bring it up at all. Um, I think it's because it would be hard to present them both and say the remake is the soulless one, you know Uh, it's it's not gonna really fit is it So this video didn't go over well with a lot of people and you start getting uh, very poorly Yeah, big chunk of dislikes as well as a crowed cat Like yeah It's annoying too because you got a lot of people on twitter being like, well, yeah, it's crowed cat. He makes shit videos It's like no, he doesn't no He does not so Yeah, I've seen like a huge circle jigs about how uh bad the video is but at least right It's his perspective. He's presented it is still could argue They maybe balked a bit of it blah blah, but at least, you know, that's his opinion and he's sticking to it Totally I just found out today Yeah It's a little bit different now the uh, the old video. I'll said the I should have said you guys the before as well. I will now but I'm showing it on the screen. Wait a second. That's what it says now. It used to say this Oh, but now it says this which is Resident Evil 4 remake is a masterpiece Whoa, well, that's not what you said before That's like the opposite of what you said before In this video, we're looking at how the Resident Evil 4 remake improved over the original while still keeping the soul So he's obviously very mad The people thought the video was unfair. I don't know what to make of that Like I'm not sure. I feel like I feel like there's I don't know That is an odd one. I uh, I guess he just thought that I don't know if he was I'm crowed cat. I can do no wrong with all my videos. Everyone always agrees with me So I can put this out about the remake Or maybe he just really doesn't like the remake for whatever reason or maybe people are caught up in the new equals bad The thing that's what I'm interested in that's what because like a lot of his videos are like a point of comparison of strangely enough on like less powerful technology and older game like managed to get these things that like the newer game lost and like that's Like I'm I'm I'm hoping Like I I guess I'm like because I am baffled on this one of like saying that the remake is soulless I I just don't yeah, it's a really strange perspective Like if there are ways that you think it's worse like sure obviously I mean we even talked about it right like in the coverage like it's not it's not like a strict improvement on the original Um, and a lot of ways it's quite a different game But like soulless is not a way that I would describe that game like that game was clearly made with This a lot of people have taken this to mean that he's like trying to cover from cover his own ass Right like escape like I never said it was soulless. It's great. It's great But like I don't think I think it's a little bit too blatant for that seems to me like more of a very defensive like Oh, fuck you guys. Oh, yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, sure. It's a masterpiece. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay Sure. Yeah, the remix of masterpiece and improves upon the original sure It's really tough to say I don't know what I think about it. I don't know if this is like a Because like I like in a sense it doesn't come across as like buckling But maybe I don't know Um, but I mean it'll definitely staunch the um, the the bleeding of reputation at least All it could it backfire. I don't know I I don't see this as like something that will benefit him No I think I think he's uh, probably considers himself quite an enormous passionate fan of re4 and the the remake Fucked up in a whole bunch of ways and that he would categorize it as it's lost its soul Um That probably is genuinely how he feels. I just don't think he's got very good arguments for it Yeah In the comparison because yeah, it's just like a lot of the time it's like, yeah, they both look good Like, yeah Yeah, that one's not as good. Oh, well that one's better Like, you know, it's a whole collection and you almost need his commentary to help explain to me what I'm supposed to be seeing Yeah, that's the thing. This is a time where the lack of like narration Which is Just Like I don't know what he's thinking. What do you mean? What are you trying to tell me? It's so interesting because like When something that I found so impressive about his video making is that he doesn't need commentary Like the editing is so precise and the and the usage of references is so precise But you know what's being communicated Um, he often doesn't need even like text to explain what uh, like what he what he's what point he's trying to make But here it was just like I was lost like I didn't understand the comparisons at all In terms of through the lens of one is soulful and one is so less, you know Yeah, if you had contextualized it as um, you know, it lost a little bit of it's so along the way or something I think people would be fine with it But oh well So less. Yeah But I guess now I'm curious like what because because the video was uploaded yesterday sorted my feed yesterday Now it's only a day later and this has already happened. What is the continually evolving conversation? It'll look like or subsequent videos. Well, and the thing about it is like no matter what the motive was How does it look it's like? Well, it looks like he's spineless. Unfortunately It looks bad. Yeah, um Because because at first it would just be like You know like, oh, yeah, you I guess you didn't make like a very good video, which you know like that happens um Okay, so If we could have a look right, you know top comment one thing I sure do miss is the diagetic and creative menu systems So many games these days just have black rectangles. It's like, yeah, that's fair. I think that's fine Cool Next one. I love how the original description said come to your own conclusions And after people disagreed with his he changed the title of description completely Right, that's what the takeaway is Yeah, it's hard for that not to be what your mind instantly jumps to The reality is this was gonna be this was always going to be like a difficult one because everybody really likes this game This isn't like dead rising for where it seemed like people were not like excited or happy about that one Uh or like gears where a lot of people have a lot of attachments to the older games and the newer ones not so much Like not not to say that it's like an instant slam dunk, right? You need good references and everything to like in this case Like everybody's really for the most part really enjoying the remake This was always going to be a hard case to argue. Yeah I feel like it's a hard case to argue because I just don't think it's soulless It definitely isn't soulless. There's definitely things I don't like about the remake But you you just can't argue that it's soulless. I don't think that's why I think you just would have been better off like Just doing like just just having a resident evil for versus remake comparison Or versus new or With the desire to have a comparison of the games like especially considering they're 20 years apart In a lot of ways they're quite different and then it could be interesting to see what's the same What's different the ways that it's you know, like for like in terms of quality better or worse at times I think that's worthwhile But yeah, soulless soulless I don't which so many comments to point that out and then you got uh I disagreed with the original video but changing the title and description is just absolutely pathetic Yeah, kind of I think so if you can still think you're right, that's fine But I would legitimately like want to know why you think the new one soulless It's so strange So I really would like to know why he called it soulless soulless and then say draw your own conclusions Like if you wanted to draw people to draw their own conclusions, wouldn't it just be resigning before comparison? That's what the title should have been And even then you would have been able to tell which one he preferred because of the way that he edited the clips um But maybe if you really wanted it to seem as if it was draw your own conclusions And maybe you wouldn't be able to tell well I was going to say we would because of the fact that he included all of the things that are in The original that aren't in the remake, but he didn't include the things that are in the original Yeah, I mean if you really he really liked that minigun room in the castle I guess I don't know That's probably the the one out of all the ones he showed that I would not want to return I did not like the mini didn't care for it now If you kill that um that priest before he makes it downstairs, you don't have to do that and Yeah, and that could be very difficult to do if you don't have a rifle Um Yeah, it'd just be curious to know what what else he has to say about about this because uh He doesn't usually miss at all right. That's like his thing. No, this is uh, this is the odd crowed cat a big l as we say Unfortunate That's all right, you know that's the re4 remake discourse has been strange I don't think anyone expected it to be as good as it is. I think that might have been uh, We'll throw everyone off a little bit Maybe because I'm still happy to say the original is better. It's just that like I mean, especially after the re3 remake a lot of people will like this is going to be bad Especially because re4 is just such a fucking great game like how do you how do you remakes out a really good game? That one's really tough to top And I prefer the original and I think the original is better, but there's so much care An effort and dare I say soul that really did I hate I hate to Like respect both of those games as a Very very relative newcomer to resident evil force specifically both of those games are cool And now move on to Topic one, I guess so the little platoon could speak Instead of just putting the fucks going on. What are these video games these kids are playing? Oh, no, it's it's my fault. I have never touched a resident evil game in my life ever Which is I'm aware a big deficiency. You probably like re4 remake to be honest. You yeah The original and the remake are quite good We jump right in I hate the other ones. I assume that you would have to no Oh Oh, well in that case I had a friend who was like so I got to play all the resident evils all their remakes to get to resume before we make I was like, nope, you could just go right to it. There's no reason that he's like I'm all about the story. It's like I mean, you know no one no one who Leon and Ada are I guess is something No, it's not something You're horizon. I don't need to you'll be fine Uh, we'll go to anyway We're gathered here to discuss a very interesting set of three movies three new ones One that is the talk of the town One that is not at all the talk of the town and that's unfortunate and one that is not at all the talk of the town And that's fine. I'm nobody nobody. Yeah The way to sum it up I guess uh because uh, yeah They have so much in common these movies I mean two of them are about video games Well, one of them is about video games. One of them is based on a video game and one of them is Not none of those but yes You've heard it discussed previously very likely, but number one is the mario movie something that we've Um, I don't know not looking forward to for a long time on this podcast partial mentions We just assume it's going to get Annihilated destroyed especially after the voice acting roles were revealed And so here it is We're just going to talk a little bit about what it was what it did And where it sits I because like i'm i'm half and half interested in talking about the movie itself But also what it means going forward like the meta surrounding this thing So, I don't know. Where do we start do we go with uh, why don't we talk like well The way might it be worthwhile to start with like familiarity with mario Uh, sure I mean, I don't know if Because uh, it could be done like I don't think we need to do like a huge breakdown on this thing in terms of like Uh, everyone's histories and stuff. I I'm also Looking to You know cover three movies in one thing so I've got to make sure we can the I'll probably just go with like the a lot of people have seen this thing apparently it's um Yes, it is the already in a week the highest grossing Video game adaptation it is the biggest opening for an animated film ever Uh, I just saw by the way It's estimated to Make 80 million domestic second weekend, which is uh 45 drop So this film is going to make a lot of money It's smaller than a marvel movie. That's for sure Um, I mean it was it was it was always going to make a lot of money Now it's more of a question of just how much money we is this film going to make Uh, billion is like a guarantee, but it always really was so the question is like well now How much money is it going to make and how long will they keep it in cinemas as well? Uh, and Of course, what does this kind of success mean for video game adaptations going forward? Uh, it's it's a big deal Is what it is Yes, uh, so before it came out We assumed it would be making a lot of money and then after I watched I was like oh shit They've done they've done all the things they needed to do to um Make this thing probably a foundation for a shit ton of things to come But uh, it's still getting different kinds of responses from all different parts of the internet For example, uh Critics have famously not been very interested in this one like right into auto level critics They and people have been like they're always wrong or right or what like it's always so funny to see the scramble over They'll use like past examples See critics said this movie was bad when the audience knew it was good And then people were like, yeah, but there's been films where critics said it was bad The audience said it was good and the critics were right and then it's just like, you know, you eventually realize like Oh, yeah, it doesn't mean anything. Um, not really There's interesting things to be gleamed from them But not in terms of like a meaningful Like a thing that should actually inform like your perspective You know and like you figuring out what you think about the film in terms of its quality Because a lot of the reviews like a lot of the more negative reviews Tengenists sort of like hit the same beats. It's too focused on easter eggs and the the plots then um Like it's there's not much being said really yeah The very straightforward that you have the Grace Randolph beard like that tanuki suit was explained or something Oh, yeah I mean, I feel like honey do not say that All the internet that's gonna get you in so much trouble. Don't say it The cat suit wasn't properly set up. It's just like she's gonna get fucking minced uh Video game movie about italian plumbers. It's true So it's um, it's a wacky. What does this count as fantasy? um Yeah, probably I mean, you probably just call it like adventure, right? Action adventure fantasy Surely you've got to involve something to account for all of the insane magic and uh, Uh, I don't know that I've ever I don't know that I've ever thought about whether mario was like fantasy or science fiction to be honest Well, like starfox and metroid sci-fi, aren't they? Uh, we're sure but like, you know, those mario cards and all you know, like all the all the crazy technology and stuff Like super mario galaxy. Is that fantasy or is that science fiction? I'd say that's probably science fiction, right? Yeah, it might be. I mean, it's not like mario can't be both Science fantasy. Maybe maybe it's a space opera People like that weird Uh, yeah, I mean so for people who don't know the basic plot summary is just Marry and luigi are plumbers in brooklyn and they're trying to make money and start up their business Then they get sucked into the mushroom kingdom bows of kidnaps luigi mario teams up with peach to save the day and they do Yep, that's more. Yeah pretty much Um, it's all right. I guess dk is there as well and he does join the team And toad, you know, like there's other stuff but that's toad and donkey kong. Yeah It's um, an incredibly straightforward storyline. Uh, that It's probably on purpose. They were probably like making sure they don't want to do anything too complicated Just make it very consumable Um, and I guess a question is is that was that the correct decision to go to? Not only for like making the most money, but for also just an artistic point of view Is mario not capable of more and just how well did they manage to pull off that storyline? I believe little platoon you have um, you have vaguely controversial take on the film, right? Or at least it has been in terms of Like uh, the one sensitive statement for everybody Well, I was I was that was just prompt for him to talk about his video No, I'll plug the video all the way. No, it was one of those videos that sort of said well, look Okay, if all you want from this is fun little sort of memberberry stuff easter eggs and basically no plot Then okay, it's good mindless fun But given the potential of the source material and given what it will almost certainly be leading to in this huge slate of Nintendo films coming down the line. I don't think that it was enough I think it wasted a huge amount of its potential It burned through probably four or five films worth of storytelling potential in just one film In the bid in in a bid to get as many easter eggs on screen as possible And I don't think that it's particularly memorable So, you know, there's a reason that mario games are iconic There's a reason that they are so well beloved and they're so memorable And that's because a lot of thought time care and attention went into how they were created to make them very distinct You've got narrative storytelling devices used in level design I think it's the key should hand ketsu example, which is the one I sort of went to But there are others as well A lot of thought goes into making these things feel very distinctively like mario And then the mario film comes out and it feels very distinctively like any other generic animated film in terms of its story Which is a shame and it means that while we're still like remember happily playing mario 64 back in the 90s I reckon if anyone gets to christmas And this film is really fixed in the front of their mind and attached to a lot of you know, really loving memories I'd be very surprised if that happened. I don't think people will actually remember the film Except for the fact that they saw it and it was kind of enjoyable mindless fun But apparently that means I hate fun And so yeah, I'm wrong. Obviously. Well, yeah, we get to have a good time talking about this film with everybody He said if you don't have a good time a lot of like It sounds like you've got a lot of push-back It's off Yeah, but I mean I kept going out of my way to say look it's it's fine. I can see that bits of it are really fun I enjoyed bits of it. Great. That's okay. That doesn't sort of counterman the The main point which is the mindless fun is, you know, it could have been so much more than just mindless fun That you could have had a really really enjoyable film It's not enough to say most people, you know go to the same set of arguments and because they do this I put them in the introduction to the video so I could tell where the commenters had actually watched the video before commenting And the usual arguments are it's just fun. Why can't you just enjoy it? It's a kid's film. So it doesn't need story Why do you expect so much from a video game adaptation? The game had no plot. So the film doesn't need plot Um, what were the others there were a few others like that, um, which you know, they're all pretty easy to bat away and People yeah, people just sort of assume that you have to either absolutely love this thing or you absolutely hate it You can't simply say okay, it was okay for what it was, but it should have been better That is interpreted as you hate the film, which I didn't I didn't hate the film There wasn't enough in the film for me to hate it. Um, that's kind of the problem It didn't really elicit any strong feelings either way soul versus solace is probably a more accurate Description hey, I think that's that is interested too because like, uh, I've presented like lukewarm defenses where I Find like arguments. I don't think are very great against the film But it'll be interpreted as I love the film. It's like no Not even close. Um, I think it's It's a very strong word in this uh in this podcast circle. We we put a lot of uh, put a lot of stock on the word love Yeah, I want to stop the word great. Um, yeah when we say something's good, that's like It's it's something that you've already touched on little platoon, but like the the you know You compare this to like the Incredibles or you know finding Nemo Or like Shrek 2 or something or the iron giant or the lion king, right? Like I don't Let's be real like it's not it's not stack it up like super well compared to those films Um, I get the impression That it was the the way that it seems like it's often this film was spoken about positively is Um, kind of like the statement, uh, it could have been better, but it could have been worse too I just like flip the order in terms of like the tone that I'd like to have it could have been worse But it could have been better, you know like it this this could have been better Of course it could have been better, but um, it's uh, like I think like when when a lot of people heard it's like it's going to be illumination. It's like, ah, right because like illumination like make very um They like they know how to make movies that like people go to when enjoying make lots of money But like I don't know that they've really made like any films that have like a lasting impact or legacy beyond like commercial aspects, you know Um compared to the likes of uh, like Pixar or Dreamworks or what, you know, what not it's kind of funny the The league of defensive arguments that come out for it aren't dissimilar from even like star wars ones Which like this is just a fucking crazy thing with a bunch of nonsense like why do you need to Lock it down into any kind of like cohesive or coherent story. This is a thing like even Patrick was like famous It's meant for children star wars therefore What? And it sounds to me like it's too wise being crossed at once. It's the best faith interpretation I could have It's almost like when they hear you criticizing it for whatever reason be it story or uh, whatever They're thinking themselves like kids aren't going to care about that. They're going to enjoy it anyway Why are you like making these comments as though this will affect children's enjoyment? It's a kid's film and you're saying the thing and like I'm not even commenting on whether how much kids will enjoy it That's not like it's got nothing to do with what I'm trying to say I'm just talking about like how well executed the story was And if everyone comes to concede like who cares kids will like it anyway It should be like well, then do you actually say that when we have something like a an Incredibles come out you watch it and go Man, that story was really good. But who cares Yeah, that doesn't happen. Nobody says that like they say like oh wow, it's good I think it's it's a low estimation of kids. Um, which you know, it's it can be You took your fair. Yes. I mean kids a little psychopathic monsters, but um, I I remember knowing kids Who had a bit more taste than that but the the the difference though is that you know Kids generally speaking aren't going to be taking themselves to see this film Kids generally speaking don't take themselves to the cinema anyway. It's not Themselves to whom they're talking when they go back from the cinema having seen the film It's not to themselves that they'll be thinking hey remember going see that that mario film with me on my own No, it's it's a family experience first and foremost that you're going with your friends And you're going with your family and whether or not a film transcends mere sort of pointless kids stuff to becoming sort of family film Mainstay depends on whether the film is done something more than merely appealing to kids sort of baser instincts and trying to make them laugh soldersly It's about you know, what are the parents taking away from this? Um, is it exciting the parents just enough? Oh, no one is exciting the parents just enough to um To make them talk about it with their kids to make them want to go and see it again to make them To make them care about it. It's a family film not a kids film mario I don't think does that though. It was definitely trying to I mean like all the references That was the other sort of cross wise thing Which is that people will say simultaneously that it's a movie made for kids and also I really enjoyed the references to the super mario games in the 1980s Those two things don't coexist do they because the kids won't remember those references Kids have no concept of what the fuck a lot of this is getting referenced in this game film. Sorry For like people like me right who are like very very very familiar with mario and nintendo broadly and played Like the games going back, you know um like back to you know super nintendo and uh n64 like there's so many there's like Like mario's playing kid Icarus like the original kid Icarus like on on his and like on his any ass How many kids are gonna know what that is? Yeah, when you think about when they decided to put that in there instead of having him play a fucking switch Which they I guess could I don't know what time this is saying, but a lot of things right like duck hunt. They've got um, they've got the Like spike from wrecking crew that's from like 1983 um I saw an r-wing up on uh on mario's tv It's like You know most people who are aware of star fox are not kids Like it's mostly adults at this point because of how few games they've released for that series lately And so why is it there because the creators were like well we want to this this isn't just for kids This is for the the lads who have been playing this since it came out Yeah, they're in the same position right the people who made it and the artists and the animators who worked on it because There's one thing to be said About this film that is like definitely undeniably positive. It's like the the artists and animators Uh did a fantastic job of like yeah Looking mario the animations like to the point that they've got very specific animation Uh like run cycles from specific games from like 3d world Or like um, like you know, like when they're invincible and like mario like throws his arms to his side Is he's running like through specific like like grabbing bowser by the tail and spinning him around to throw him away Like in 64 It's like yeah, it's these guys like they are they did an incredible job They've got in all of mario's run animations you can pick out which games they're taking it from what references for us Like good job like you could easily have Yeah Not done very subtle very subtle details that a lot of people who are fans of mario don't even pick up on That you can't it's difficult to do that by accident It's difficult to do that in a sort of a soulless way or difficult to do that in a sense that Makes you think they didn't care about mario or didn't put a lot of Work in effort into learning about mario No, they In this case I would imagine that for a lot of people it's like they didn't need to put effort into learning about mario They know what mario is they played the games and they loved the games Yeah, it definitely comes across that is that because um I think at this point we're very much firmly in that era of when it comes to video game adaptations They're not going to run away from like the aesthetics and and like the specific charm of uh Of uh of the things that they were adapting at this point. I think like this in particular It's like yeah, we're we're in the era where it's like, oh, yeah Like we kind of need to take video games seriously um because video games are bigger than the film industry Uh, and another they've like switched the tap on for that money and it's just like whoa Yeah, exactly like somebody finally realized And this film is now probably gonna make like one and a half billion dollars. So probably it's uh and and Boy, I mean, yeah, we've said it before but honestly this we could have done so much worse Um, I was expecting it to be worse. I think much worse Yeah, it I definitely thought it was going to be worse than this. I didn't think I was going to be in a positive way I did think that it was going to be worse than this I thought it was just going to be like standard illumination mad to mediocre to the But it just feels like there was a lot more I don't know like Something that's worth noting is that this film was a co-production with nintendo shigurumi motto is uh one of the producers I think it's safe to say that nintendo was looking over illumination's shoulder like every step of the way um Yes, but the thing is is In a lot of ways you can still tell that this film is like a formula film Like that a computer could have potentially come up with like How do we make like a really safe mario film that like a lot of people will enjoy? This is probably as close as you were gonna get to like that version of the film Which I don't know is necessarily the best version of this film. Um, like it's very safe But not necessarily a good way. It's just very standard and basic kind of plot beats And half the plot is I nobody was surprised by anything in the movie. I I'd imagine Yeah, nothing nothing shocked me all the stuff that surprised me in this was It was it was all the little details and references and you know the animation quirk some of the humor is being legitimately subtle Um, and and that I really like those kinds of things, but that's all that really surprised me I mean something that's uh Worth talking about is I think that there was probably never a version of this film that was meaningfully entertained That was like presented in the same way as a mario game story is with minimal dialogue I don't know that that was ever entertained as an option It probably was like from the beginning They're gonna talk a fair bit and we're gonna have like celebrity voice actors play them and like I i'm surprised by how much I was able to sort of move past that like when the film started Because before I wasn't sure how I was gonna like just have chris pratt is mario I didn't I didn't see that like me moving or seth rogan is donkey kong or whatever Um, there are other choices that always sort of made a bit more sense to me like jack black as bowser It's like yeah. Yeah, I can see that right Um, but yeah, I was able to move past that pretty quickly, but at the same time It's like damn man Like I feel like there is a version of the mario film that it's presented in a similar way to the games with minimal dialogue And it's mostly through visual storytelling and visual humor and everything Um that like moves it along and the back could be really cool like if And I guess um, it's it's something that's been mentioned plenty, right? Like there's a lot of people who've almost come into it with like well, it's mario who cares, right? It's like, well, I mean I care like a lot of people I do really I do really like mario and I like the um I like the idea of doing something a little bit more with it Especially in a case where you have no gameplay that's going to be filtering into it, right? It's like, you don't you don't have to design the story to facilitate levels Um in the same way that you do when you're making like super mario galaxy or you know, like uh it's um But then you look at something like super mario galaxy and oh There are like attempts at doing things that are kind of interesting here Because you've got like rosalina's like story that she's telling Like that that's kind of like an interesting way of injecting narrative into mario And then like super mario galaxy kind of has broader themes almost that it's going for about like the the nature of like life and death in the universe and like the Rebirth and the cycle of life like in the in the universe and it's like that's kind of interesting I don't know why we presume like mario can't do something That's like a little bit more narratively hefty just because a lot of people's perception of mario comes down to the just like Oh, yeah, yeah princess peach god They probably ruled that out and they were like we're gonna do You know sticking together and looking after your family or whatever and saving the world just very normal like happy good A lot of people say I'm played paper mario, which I need to get on to but as I understand it like paper mario and the thousand-year door in particular Like is like going for storytelling meaningfully of like a plot with like character With the very distinctive traits and like little arcs that they're going on at super mario rpg as well I hear that about it's like there's material and and stuff like within mario That is beyond what I think is like the most baseline sort of uh view of mario, which is like new super mario brothers like you know that series as like the the the most like stripped down to its bare bones like aesthetic and Style that mario kind of has ever had uh in terms of presentation and narrative But I oh and of course like the mario and luigi rpgs as well like there's a lot of That I I don't like the feeling that people look at mario and are like well, what did you expect? You know it's mario. It's like it's it's just really simple and and whatever You know, it's like give it a little bit more credit than that You know my comment section then because you wouldn't like it in there It's okay like I because I the thing is um I I don't think that there was ever a world where I was gonna get the kind of mario film That I would have really really wanted to see but at the same time There's like a worse version of this film that could have existed that would have made me miserable Uh, and we didn't get that because like you know not like I I enjoyed this film I don't I don't think it's very good. Um, it's like very You know like it's Like if you actually delve into like plot and character development, but like it's entertaining um And it's and it's and it feels like uh And it's entertaining in a lot of ways because of like the clear sort of love that the artists and animators have for uh for the games Like that's that's worth a that's worth a good deal to me that uh the very least I think it would be argued that the heart of the movie if there is one would be mario and luigi Yes The there's extended relationships in different places as well, but like that one was What they put them out of the time in for foundation. They are brothers. They take care of each other and that Uh, there's plenty of little references to it going forward and then there's even um insecurities on mario part mario's part about How he may be not only ruining his own life because he's not capable of the things he wants to be capable of but also dragging luigi down with him um You know by the by the end we've got a uh a through line of together They can't be beaten, you know, they'll they'll take care of each other because they're brothers It's a three line in the sense that they actually explicitly state that once and then they explicitly state it once again at the end of the film And there are more references though. Yeah, I have to give it more credit than that Yeah, um, I mean I get the point about the the setup and the premise I did enjoy I thought that that was good when you have it's mario's dad Isn't it who accuses him of dragging luigi down with him with his headbrain schemes and ideas? And that that's good character setup. I like that that establishing relationship I didn't detect a huge amount more by way of connecting tissue between though those two lines Which basically just states the premise for you. I mean obviously that there's the one scene where He's looking a bit miserable and peach consoles him peach having just decided that his mission is hers anyway because reasons um I don't remember another scene apart from that one though and even that's not really that's just like well Yeah, you care about your brother. We're gonna rescue him aren't we? Yes. We are okay moving on Sorry, we have the seamer mario talks with toki kong and they set it up a part of these It's a setup, you know part of a joke where they have similar potential familial issues and Well, when luigi's being interrogated by bowser the way he speaks about mario and how he looks up to him and When you have the baby mario and luigi seen as well Well, yeah, because um This is what I would say is like what they were going for storytelling wise and I think it's actually like Pretty decent the mario and luigi is like appearing mario's much more of the go-getter guy who never gives up like very much like a scrappy sort of underdog And luigi's always like the more timid kind of reserved Like brother, but but like he will sort of he will follow mario and he will Do things that are brave but do so very nervously and anxiously and there's um like When mario says like as long as we're together, you know, like we'll always be okay There's like a lot of references in the film that what what that means before like their their big arc is complete Is as long as we're together i'll protect you Um as long as we're together you don't have to worry because i'll stand up for you I'll stand up to bullies. I'll help you. I'll uh, I'll make sure that you're okay Like it's very clearly in the the flashback, right? We're like luigi's little uh, like Toy castle gets destroyed and then mario jumps in to protect him But then this time when he's on his own he gets captured like the feeling of being pretty much useless on his own And like in the uh in the scene when they're doing the plumbing in that house and they're getting attacked by the dog There's like an interesting There's an interesting visual where uh, he's using the mirror as like a shield, but he's using it just to protect himself um But then of course he's inching toward mario though. Yeah. Yeah, exactly inching towards like which that has to be deliberate because You know when it comes to animation, right? Somebody animated and then the fact that that all leads into the payoff of Mario's going for the invincibility style He's about to get you know scorched by bowser and then luigi jumps in Using a similarly shaped shield in the case of a manhole to protect mario and then restate as long as we're together You know will be okay. It's like a better understanding of what that means and a much more like They're going to protect each other. They they both have something to serve like to give to each other And so then it makes sense then right that once they work together You know that working together means that they become invincible both, you know, literally and metaphorically. It's like that's that's You know, I think that's I think that's that's decent. Yeah, it's it's a thing that I don't think is an accident at all Yeah, like I really like that payoff of luigi. I now I i'm a big fan of luigi I I like it more than mario personally. Um, so that might be biasing me. Whoa That's uh, that's like like that's decent. Like I like that. Um, it kind of did hit me in the feels um, I don't know, uh, what do you think a little bit soon? Do you think it's uh, yeah, I'm just like Overblown or do you think that's fair if you want to um No, I think most of that's fair But it's a lot of this is is incredibly sort of front weighted there, right? Which is why I mean I completely with you and that I think they set up The characters pretty well at the beginning of the film. My problem isn't so much that it's just that You do some quite good work at the beginning. Uh, you pay off at the end with And there is the slightly complicating matter of the of the power star as well given that it will never lose as long as put together is Okay, but you'd also never lose if one of you got the power star anyway. Um, it's it's just the rest of the the middle ground stuff I don't Really remember a huge amount of this being Yeah, set up and pay off great bare minimum standards and I'm happy that they're in the film That's why one of the reasons I don't hate it. Um, the keeping a much stronger through line from that character basis Rather than writing luigi substantially out of the script for a large part of the film because he's captured is It just it's yeah, it's done the basics. Well, I think well enough anyway, but kind of Disappointing in that it could have been more than just that like it's more than just Yeah, they they they have a brother brother relationship and There's a bit of character growth Kind of and then and then the end What you've what you've sort of honed in on is kind of like a it's kind of a There was actually a difficult choice in terms of like the way that they present the story here Um, which is kind of interesting when you think about it They had to they had kind of two clear choices, right? Either luigi gets like captured and we got to save luigi or you do what a lot of the games do where peach gets Caution we got to go save peach and so like your options are mario luigi are separated for most of the story Or mario and luigi go on the adventure together um I think um They both present different opportunities Um for storytelling Like if you have mario luigi together for most of the film like working together You can uh, sort of like see see what it looks like when those two are working like operating together and failing before succeeding Right, there's an option But at the same time then you lose like the the payoff of them reuniting right at something in the film That's the defense of their choices Like that's probably one of my favorite bits when they connect back together and it's like that would I like that as hard at all if they're to you know, if if you for every moment You shorten the time they're away from each other the less that that moment hits And then of course you have the problem of um if we run it so that they're rescuing peach The person that you know mario doesn't even really know at all In fact, he wouldn't have met her if she got kidnapped. Maybe he meets her and then she gets kidnapped I'm not sure but like him having the goal of saving luigi and by extension the mushroom kingdom and by extension brooklyn's like I don't know. I feel like that is a little bit more focused than him and luigi saving peach Well when when they don't have a relationship with page unless of course we change it all and that they're in You know, we're not doing the brooklyn thing. We just do the they're very aware of peach You know, they all live in the mushroom kingdom that sort of thing I think the basic structure of it works well enough and I'm with you in that It makes more sense to be rescuing luigi if you're not going to set up a relationship with peach first I'm not I don't recall any way being convinced about Peach's relationship with mario's ultimate quest line that deem that did seem a little bit too convenient This is like when he meets the princess princess decides, okay I'm good. I'll help you out in the course of helping me out and I've never met you before but We're kind of quite closely attached now and our goals are so closely attached My problem more with with luigi's being written Substantially out of the script though is that you can use the prison sequence I think to tell you more about luigi's character than the film actually did um That there is plenty of examples of you know capture sequences being used to actually reveal more about character Rather than simply to have it the character on a holding pattern while they're in a cage You know we learn a lot about princess lair when she's captured on the death star Um, it's just the the most sort of proximate example. So And that yes when luigi goes into the cage. I might be being on Julie harsh on the film, but I don't remember After he's in the cage learning a huge amount about him. Yeah, I think it's mostly jokes that get done while he's in the cage I don't remember there being much in terms of character So we'll just say by the way, why are you breaking down a children's like a kid's movie? It's like Well, I don't understand. Did you guys feel that way about the last wish like Fuck me. I enjoy breaking down stuff like that Yeah, last wish is phenomenal and it would be I mean, it's like, where do you start? Um, I maybe this person's new. Um, maybe so here on here and if I'm rags I um on efap we think just because something is Appropriate for children or even intended for children that doesn't mean that it should be poorly written We think that kids can actually you know, they you know dumb as kids are There is something in those little noggins that can rep you know That could recognize characters doing things and stories and cause and effect And also we want to build up at that impressionable young age This appreciation for stories that are well constructed that have good cause and effect that have good internal logic If anything, it's it's arguably even more important that movies that are for these younger people Are you know really well, you know really well made it gives them, you know high standards from an early age Which is probably a really good thing, especially nowadays But just because something is for Kids that doesn't mean you should be lazy and say fuck it when it comes to the story Kids are dumb. We don't have to care. We'll just make flashing lights and colors Um, I think we need to give more credit and we need to uh, I think we kind of owe it to kids to give them Better stories Almost equally funny about all that too is that when they were making this they weren't going like I don't know the fucking red hat man. He he rescues the green hat man It's for kids who cares like no, they probably would have done this meticulously all kinds of story board in white boards everywhere Many meetings all kinds of like back and forth corrections and they were all adults that were doing that by the way Kids running around making this film I'm bored of statements like that go away. We're talking about the movie. Sorry. I want to talk about it And so let us continue. I uh, I think that's probably the strongest element of the movie And it's not particularly amazing or anything like the mario Luigi thing. It's like, okay Like what else has it got like well, uh Uh, I get we could go we could go peach next probably the weakest part of the film He's kind of just He's just there Very very bland I think it's kind of um, everybody else is fairly well defined You know, well, I say fairly well defined, right? Like it's it's it's kind of it's pretty easy to distinguish everybody from one another and like their strengths and weaknesses Peach is just like pretty dull I'd say she she has a lot of the same traits as mario But less because mario has a few more than just determined um Yeah, you know somewhere and it might it might be completely wrong all the rumor was complete nonsense and many rumors are I thought I read somewhere that the original plan was to have peach much more sort of front and center Of the film and much more heavily involved and that that was subsequently changed Um in order I heard as well. Yeah, yeah slightly more important in his own film I was so the thing is with Miyamoto as a producer like I could imagine that Miyamoto was was like would Like just basically say this is like kind of The the the hierarchy that the characters should have in terms of like importance in the role that they play in the story And I feel like he's always going to advocate pretty hardcore for like mario being the hero who saves the day um So yeah, maybe that was the case. Um I mean like I don't I don't mind like peach like tag it along for the adventure and being a part of the adventure I like working together with mario to like complete the objective I just wish that they gave her a little bit more than she has Because she doesn't have that much Yeah, she it's it's thin and bland. There's nothing you could really pull Out of a lot of her dialogue is to sort of like let's go. We need to save the mushroom kingdom. Come on everyone Is all that it All these lines could have been something neat and interesting or they could have been said or stated in a way that's more That that implies more of a character underneath it, but it's so it's just so direct and it is what it is and There's nothing else, you know going on there That it's just not it's not nothing Yeah, it's just I can't feel past about anything to do with it That's something that I think is in a couple of parts to this film. I don't feel anything about it. It's fine. It's there It does its thing Peach hints of good ideas So they do that a little bit with peach and toad where it's revealed that you the toad who goes on the mission with them Who's name? I don't does he actually have a distinctive name? I just called him toad prime to distinguish him But but he there's that little character exchange where he's revealed to be He had that have that really rare quality among toads, which is that he's brave enough to go on the mission to begin with And as you can there's a starting block that that's not too bad because that's something that's information that's being shared it's establishing a relationship with Peach between peach and toad who are otherwise kind of secondary or even tertiary characters in the film It's a beginning. It's just that once they sort of establish that this toad is uncommonly brave They don't really do anything else with that or indeed with that relationship So it explains his presence and it allows them to do the the walkout seen toward the end when peach picks up The axe and toad picks up his frying pan um Yeah, but it's it's kind of shallow like that's that's the problem with a lot of The stuff about this moment. It does like premises really well There's a lot of potential there. It recognizes some of that potential But it doesn't ever really flesh it out very much. So it's not memorable for those reasons and for anybody who's like, you know What are you to do with someone like that? You try and like look at all the the elements of a character. So she's she was from presumably earth or whatever brooklyn You know One of those places she was she was particularly from there and she came here and the toads raised her and then they chose her for her their queen And that's been her life. It's like so what what do you do with that? And it's like well, I don't know maybe the fact that this event could be the first time that she is like operated in a more political way Like I actually had to try and do outreach with other lands and you know, she could be really insecure about it Bollock up to now maybe yeah, and she has no idea what she's doing and she has like a bit of a breakdown in terms of like I shouldn't fucking be doing this at all. This is insane And make her a little bit more insecure about her role as princess And you know, the problem is it's just there's there's nothing there She's she's mostly like With almost every character. She's just reassuring and assertive. It's just like there she goes Well, yeah, it's like um, because I think if you have her sort of have that feeling of like maybe maybe I'm not cut out for this It kind of like I feel like that's a good parallel to Mario, right? Where like everybody's telling him that he's screwing up and like he's not Like he's he's not that worthwhile like he's not that interesting He's not gonna amount to big things that if you have those two together and she has her own Concerns about the role that she's gonna play in all of this and you know like Mario could just be like, whoa I mean like you're doing your best right and that's all that you can do and I don't think you're doing a bad job So far or anything right like that sort of reassurance that they can sort of reassure each other Rather than yeah rather than just peach reassuring Mario Doesn't have to be complex or super deep Could just be a nice little, you know, we are gonna use each other to encourage each other and you know We've both got our you know kind of problems really Really, uh really simple really basic would have been something Would have been something Uh, but yeah, I think there's a lot of interesting things that could have done with peach Unfortunately, I think that shows uh The dull boring option Well, the thing that's interesting to me is if we were to have a conversation about How well are each of these characters adapted if we move past the fact that they will talk a lot more than they do in the games Um, I'd say that peach is like quite different in terms of just her temperament um, like like And I think that um, I think that like if they had gone for like a version of peach who still tagged along for the adventure but was like more Uh similar to peach in the games It would have served as like a greater amount of contrast Uh in terms of the characters because I feel like a Like she's got so much in common with with like Mario in terms of I guess her like attitude In a lot of ways, um, that like if she was more, uh, I guess you could say like regal elegance, um Kind of like soft spoken But still, you know, like as part of the action kind of like you imagine peach like in smash brothers, right? Um, like there's there's a lot of examples I can think of in that game like in the subspace emissary mode Well, like I remember there was a part where I think it was like like fox is fighting um It's fighting um like chic and then peach just decides to stop it to have like a little tea party It's like that's kind of fun while she's here in the midst of the action as well But I feel like if you had her more like that while going on the adventure with mario It just would have added a bit more variety to the characters And you can add a thrust by having not just Luigi captured but toad as well her toad sort of thing Oh, yeah, because then you have toad and luigi able to do their things now while they're in prison cells or whatever. Yeah Exactly Um, you could even have them um nearly escape, you know a scene like that They managed to find some some way of getting out of the cell and they nearly make it but they don't quite do it You're just just something like that Yeah, exactly. Um, because because yeah, their core motivation is basically to protect the mushroom kingdom and the toads that raised her And it's like, yeah, um, you can do more with that though Like in terms of tying it directly into the story because really the the the key example of that was when bowser shows up and then is like Torturing toad and then that's the thing that makes a buckle essentially is like, yeah I don't hurt him and you know, then I'll do whatever you want basically Yeah, um, you could have like more of those sorts of moments in the story because it's like it's kind of like she She sort of serves more of like a plot element than a character element in a lot of instances because she's the guide for maria through the mushroom like through the kingdoms And like revealing information to him and explaining the dynamics of the world is like because she has that role to play It's like a a matter of how many lines of dialogue Can we devote strictly to character on her part compared to progressing the plot in a way that really isn't the case for mario Because mario is constantly getting to react to like new situations um, yeah So dk uh Is it safe to say that before the movie came out? This is the voice actor that had us the most concerned Um, or yeah with that I think I was more because I I assumed that uh, he would pull me out of the movie more the most hearing saith rogan as dk Um, but you know, it could have been any of them really right? It's always depending on how they do everything I've already seen plenty of people saying it but like Somehow I don't know what spell they cast but you like typically you get kind of used to chris proud as mario pretty quickly Doesn't take too long Yeah, it was very I was quickly over any like apprehension that I had and he just sort of like, yeah It feels like that uh performance It's not notable which is probably a success because if it were notable people would be probably criticizing it But he does a good enough job and you kind of just accept that this is this is how mario is going to sound for the next 90 minutes um dk was Like well voice acting Yeah, just loud and slightly irritating on a character level Kind of like everybody else Pretty pretty shallow record cranky kong was more of a disappointment I thought because cranky kong kind of sums up the film's approach to character in that it doesn't really have very much of that So cranky kong like think of how cranky you could make cranky kong cranky kong is supposed to be cranky it's in his name And there's there's a couple of lines which are kind of cranky kong ish that I recall but for the most part He sounds very much like pretty much everyone else in the film And doesn't have a huge amount by way of personality and that can be said of almost any character in the film Like they're all diluted Yeah, and donkey kong's kind of no exception. He's a bit louder and brasher um It might have even been an opportunity discussing earlier, you know peaches role in the plot If you can more clearly differentiate her her role as like the diplomat or the emissary um In negotiating with say cranky kong obviously we end up we have to do a smash brothers reference at some point in this film And so mario just has to punch decay a bit and then we move the plot along But you could probably have stressed a bit more peaches diplomatic credentials in that scene I suppose and That it might have been funnier as well had you had quite a prim and proper diplomatically spoken princess Meeting an incredibly grumpy cynical rude old cranky kong Who has no airs and graces about him that might be quite funny Challenge for a princess who's finally having to do some you know real diplomatic duties This is the first person she has to deal with and that's where mario can help her find her confidence and She could do it. Yeah job. Look at you go. How about that? because there is a another dynamic happening here of uh mario and donkey kong have a They they have more in common than they realize and yet eat each other up and in some need near the end that they finally come together sort of thing but What you what I just described is almost I don't know half the amount of screen time that's devoted to all of that and I don't even I don't I don't hate it. It's just really like straightforward and you'd have to say thin I would say um I quite like their conversation in the um in the whale fish whatever it is It's just that you end up thinking like would have been neat to have more Or need to have more of all of the more relationship stuff. There's a couple of subversions as well um, I guess basically with dialogue The because I show up like about halfway into the movie like donkey kong cranky kong and everything Um, and it's only kind of the dynamic between them because I don't like diddy kong and dixie kong show up But like only briefly Like there's there's no family dynamics for them beyond a very sort of small thing for You know cranky kong. I don't feel like he values me all that much like for for you know for me and as as my whole being Um, that's that's it really and then it's like no he does he thinks he thinks you're a good lad Yeah, there we go. It's like yeah, it's something I guess it's better than nothing at all, but it's it's not much um There's that line right with it they're sharing with each other like they're worries like I think it's like me and My dad will always think I'm like a a failure or not very good that mario's like yeah My dad too. He just he doesn't think that I have a but then there's like a gap And it's set up to be like most movies where he'll offer something consoling from donkey kong You'd be like you're not so different you and I you know, we got this thing that we share in common Or like dads, huh? Yeah But um, he just goes yeah, well your dad was right. This is like It's kind of funny The little little bits like that throughout give me a sense of like, uh, okay Yeah, I was uh, I was pleasantly surprised by the humor in this Uh, I was smiling often and there were plenty of times that I laughed I think a lot of the it's very uh, very varied humor. I would say there's some stuff that is Totally just there it is. That's the joke some of it was awkward and I didn't care for it Some of it was nice and subtle and it was left to be subtle Um, some of them was just in expression. Some of it was nothing more than just changes in Um changes in like sound effects that we've gotten used to There's a wide variety of different things that they did in terms of comedy And I think a lot of it worked for me and I know it's super subjective, but I didn't expect to Enjoy this nearly as much as I did and I think the humor played a big role in that It just just really worked for me Visual humor works slightly better than the verbal stuff. I I'm trying to because There's a couple of the more verbal jokes, which they tended to telegraph a bit far in advance So when you sort of set up Mario doesn't like mushrooms at home That you know exactly what the punchline of that joke will be when he gets to mushroom kingdom that you can see that Yeah, there's a lot of very easy jokes that you're just kind of like, yep get that one out of the way But yeah, but like Rack said, I mean there are others which are which are better than that and the visual stuff I thought was probably slightly more funny But that's that might be just because it's it's a game reference I mean they have been hit by so many blue shells to see the blue shell being so incredibly destructive and ruining everyone's day That was kind of funny. Um Because at least it wasn't me for a change, but it's yeah It was funny funny enough. I guess in places Um without ever being sort of uproariously sort of riotously funny Yeah, it's almost like the comedy is the exact same place as the storytelling where it's like, yeah, there's some stuff in there You know Yeah Most of the jokes are pretty conventional. Maybe like one of the safest movies ever made It's extremely safe and it will um reap the rewards for that for better or worse Probably a bit of both Because I thought Dungeons and Dragons was going to be one of the safest films I saw in in a year, but the mario I think is probably much safer even than Dungeons and Dragons tried to be but that was probably my main gripe with it, which is that We are pretty much inevitably going to get some sort of expanded universe with all of this stuff Whether the films connect or not is I suppose open to question But it's it's inevitably you know, nintendo has created nintendo pictures for a reason There's going to be more of this stuff And if they're given sort of the lesson that okay All we need to do is to do loads of easter eggs and member berries and then play this plot writing as simply and as safely as we possibly can And that's all it takes to be incredibly successful Then you've got okay maybe maybe you have this expanded universe of just sort of faintly pleasant films that nobody really remembers but You can't help but compare it to say like the origins of the mcu back when the mcu still tried to tell stories And there's a reason that people remember iron man in a way that they probably won't remember this specific mario film And that's because they didn't settle for just saying hey look you read the comics. This looks familiar to you Isn't this fun move on they did actually try and make him into a character and tell a character and And to bring you along on a journey that the character could be said to have gone on which I would be Disappointed and kind of sad if this this ncu and whatever form it takes doesn't at least try and tell a story with its characters With that's more than surface level because it will sacrifice the opportunity to be something that's really really brilliantly memorable for Safebox, which is kind of depressing. I guess I guess a question I like how it's already a foregone conclusion that there's going to be super smash brothers Basically, like that's the expectation, but the thing that I wonder is would they take the same approach with something like zelda? I don't know if they would um, I don't know I don't know if you you take the same approach with like that and metroid or star fox if those were things that they went to next or like even that I guess the question is like are they all going to be animated? Is it all going to be illumination or because dreamworks is owned by universal? Are they going to do them all with universal right like these sorts of questions kind of Like part of the discussion. Um, I'm not sure what lesson they learn from this From the wrong one typically is Uh, it seems that way. Yeah So uh music soundtrack what do we have to say on that? We have I'm Oh, yeah, that's what we're ringing Bowser Oh, yeah, yeah, that's actually a good way to get some music after him to talk about who what we will all agree is the best character Uh in in the in the movie. Isn't that right little platoon? Whatever you say All right, I don't even know. Uh, but uh, yeah, I like bowser quite a lot He was really a joy to watch. He was just being a big evil jack black guy I really like the voice acting. I think he nailed it more than anyone else did He was clearly having fun. They put his talents to use I like what they did with the character just his inflections and you know Just being evil trying to marry peach take over the world that sort of thing super standard and basic But it was executed really well. Yeah, don't uh nice fun villain. Don't let mandalorian Convince you that jack black has no talent. Okay, or or lizzo. I heard she's a phenomenal flute player, but I It's really interesting to see the back to back because He was obviously either poked to or that he actually really gave a shit about this like his bowser He's he's trying He was the person on the celebrity voice cast who had the most about mario There's a good chance. He's fucking played it or his kids have or you know, there's that element that could very well be involved Well, I mean he has he's been involved in video games before he's brutal legend and that sort of thing Um, you know, he seems to be yeah He seems to be decently on the pulse of like modern culture and you know the internet and video games that sort of thing and Strikes me as the kind of guy who would really take well to having a company like nintendo and illumination Really, it seems like they worked with him a lot. They didn't just say here's what you do go do it. All right Here's your check. Thank you. We will call you if you need, you know, we need you But it seems like they actually really put a decent amount of effort in saying oh, yeah, this is jack black He sings a lot. Let's give him the singing sections and he's got this kind of voice And so we're gonna really gonna let him inflect and be you know active in the way that he talks And so he probably just really appreciated that you know being respected as a human being so That's neat. And yeah, it's it's that kind of performance that you Feel the energy and so you're like, yeah, all right Yeah, I'm okay with this like, you know, because I think what he was a doubts jack black is bowser That was just just really funny. It's like what what do we what what's happening? I I actually had a different that was like the one that felt like it made the most sense to me I think they're all funny It's it's just such a surreal situation that all these it because it's not what it almost comes across at first that they're gonna be casting some kind of like live action way Uh, which is obviously what the The previous nightmare was Dennis Harper as bowser in that case but um You can still imagine it that way and then you could be like well His voice actors and then it's still the absurdity remains for a shit ton of the the ideas But even still like it's just not something that was expected from anybody I still remember like a different reaction There was those like clips posted just everyone laughing their ass off with the uh the announcement, but who's laughing now? like box office But that well, it's i'm now thinking about when bowser talked in our super mario sunshade Yeah, mario. How dare you interrupt your family vacation mario. It's it's yeah Just having bowser talk is kind of like it's kind of funny It's it's it's probably like the hardest in a sense is but the hardest one But also like with jack black doing it. It's like, I feel like that's what could happen It's like the easiest to get past, you know, they make like three of these movies But he's voicing him it might end up being that they hire him to voice him in the next game, you know Um, that would be interesting. I What do you feel about that fringy? I So I will say I don't think I want like any of that to ever like sort of rub off on the games Like I wasn't saying whether or not it's good saying it could happen I could I guess what i'm saying is I don't I don't want that to happen. Like I don't want um I don't want that kind of influence on the the game Remember the um the comics Like superheroes ended up they start to follow along and get influenced by all the movies that um Sure, but like I don't know. Does this film make more money than odyssey that sold like 35 million copies? No, or like arcade that sold If they see it as only a benefit rather than a detriment then they might just do it Uh, did I see it as only a benefit? I guess that's the question why the fuck they put them in the movie if they don't see it as a benefit um A benefit for a film. I don't I don't know what they think in terms of like the objectives when it comes to the video games Well, I don't I don't actually I don't know if I see nintendo ever like Significantly deviating from from a lot of the choices that they've made consistently with like mario, especially mainline mario games by way of presentation It's always a possibility. You're never yeah, it's always a possibility. Um, I don't think it's happening and I don't want it to happen I think we're in for a lot of misery with uh Video games getting more and more popular and moving into like the movie industry in a way Hmm. Yeah, it's definitely gonna like fast forward 10 years and the comic people will be like first time Yeah, not really. Yeah Because video game adaptations have been shit anyway well before this Um, the funny thing as well as this is so suitable for this conversation being that the mario adaptation is what killed mario being adapted into movies It killed everything for nintendo for like 30 years. Um, I'm pretty sure that home is definitely not first time Yeah, I don't want to do it with anything But now hey lucian 2 is coming. Yeah, that's the thing. We're in misery already, but we are we may get some stuff we can enjoy Exactly like the last of us. Oh Oh For how could you say something like that? Controversial yet so brave. Oh my goodness. You're very brave fringy. I uh, the the peaches song is I like it I like the peaches song It's really hard to not just like everything around bowser It's always like a year Either the movie and you're like man, it's a shame you're an evil bastard because it's you're really like people and fun The imagery of bowser sitting at a piano singing Like it's a little bit about princess page It's like that's that's I like that Well, and yeah, we were talking about like shame with him is that they didn't really do him justice at the end So I'm with you guys in that I think he's easily the most characterful of all of the characters in the show And he is funny and jack black does a good job with the voice acting Um, his plan is is goofy, but you know, it's kind of well acknowledged that bowser's a bit of a sim So that makes some sense It's more that like having done all of that and him being probably One of the more fun bits of the film then you get to the end Then it's kind of perfunctory the way that oh we've got the power song That's we're gonna beat the shit out of him now and we lock him in a in a jar and that's him done forever Well, not forever, but for now that just kind of felt a bit like Yeah, you could have you could have done a bit more With him I think giving him a bit more credit than that just sort of dismissing him in a short fight montage Um, I think that they actually something I would say is I do think that they make him in a lot of instances sufficiently threatening Um, there's like a lot of moments where through like the framing Um, the animation the lighting and everything like uh that he can come across as like Intimidating about us and intimidating because I think you can make him Of his entrance was particularly good. I think in that sense, you know, the Mashed armies and the the backlit. No, that was that was well done I think going straight for torturing luigi dunking prisoners of lava He's about how he's gonna like destroy the mushroom kingdom or you know kill luigi and stuff like that And I feel like with bowser it always sort of ends in like a Kind of a humiliating defeat like it'll wait like it's super mario odyssey Like that was a that was kind of a humiliating defeat for him and a lot of it because that was the one I'm wondering if they probably would have gotten him from odyssey because I think they had the uh The same design for his uh like wedding costume that he had in that game Because that game ended with a wedding and then mario crashes the wedding and saves the day um, yeah I think that was part of his plan that made the least sense. So the the power star generally was kind of tricky Like when the first question's watching us say if it's so good if it's so powerful Why why the hell didn't the penguins use it when he invaded? But then obviously his his motive for forgetting it is because he thinks that peach will be more likely to say yes to his proposal Um, but he's still going to invade mushroom kingdom anyway and kill them all basically if she says no Which you thought might have been more leverage than having the power star. It's not what's in peach's mind Sort of at the forefront Is it that bowser has a shiny star or is it that he'll massacre your kingdom if you reject him? But then since mushroom kingdom is shown to be completely defenseless because all the toads are too adorable to use their own word Why hasn't bowser just gone straight there and done this already? Um, and then why doesn't he use the power star himself when he might have benefited from using it? Uh, I guess you can put that down to his arrogance Maybe in the final scene that he doesn't think that he needs to use it But it still poses a few problems. I think the world building stuff Which they accomplish almost exclusively through easter eggs is quite Deficient in the way that these places actually interact with each other and with the items that are supposed to be very important I think that the only thing that you could say in terms of the motive because bowser going to get the uh The star and then going to the mushroom kingdom like alliance with maro and luigi showing up But that them showing up was like independent. Like it's an independent thing, right? It's just very very convenient that they show up at the same time that this is happening Um, so, you know, once you get past that it's like, well, why is he gonna get it? I think all that's to be said is he thinks it will impress peach. He thinks he needs to do it to impress her Um, I think that's more or less about it. Um, because he's a little bit insecure in some ways. Um That seems to be the motivation Will be doing anything else Uh No, no, it's the the eternal problem with this film is that I keep having to think of things that Like what else is there to say about that? Yeah, it's slim Um, very slim one might call it lean. Um, I think that might be too much of a compliment for it Yeah, probably Weakest elements of the film really are yeah characters in the story Not that there's nothing there, but yeah One is a good segue from bowser's song into they've got a original soundtrack Run in but they also have pop songs coming in every once in a while which, um Everyone's got mixed feelings on I'd imagine there's some songs where I'm like, okay fine. Yeah There's some songs. I'm like, what the fuck's that doing there? Especially compared to the incredible original music you can get from mario like why why would you do that? It's like, you know why they did it in it. Yeah It's it's kind of cynical and and shallow like this tune is a banger that makes the film a banger too Oh, it's familiar to you. So you know what mood to be in when you hear it It's it's lazy and it is a shame because I mean the hell they use the dk rap when you have the little first smash brothers reference It's not even as though you would be limited to Um, sort of purely instrumental scores that there's more music in mario than this one could possibly have made use of Oh, yeah, um, but you have that sort of expanded Ouvrela as well, which is it's just Didn't really yeah, why would you not have chosen that instead of Uh-huh, why is uh-huh in there in the hell the songs because you like uh-huh I like uh-huh and everyone loves uh-huh. So that's why I take that feeling and associate it with this movie, please You're like, okay They had created a lot of original compositions for those scenes, but then I don't know at some point They changed their mind Um, but yeah, I don't I don't know like I I don't hearing take on me when they go to like the the con kingdom It's like why why would you do like why wasn't like the donkey kong country? You know like do do do do do do do like is that going through that area? I think it would have done it better It's crazy. This sounds like because they would be like, yeah, I know the music's good But we want to appeal to audiences and I'd be like kidding me Is these songs do appeal to audiences they're great Well, exactly they do because like it's it's really cool just listening to the music and hearing all of the motifs from various games. You got it from all sorts from obviously Super Mario Brothers, the original game, like Super Mario Brothers 3, Super Mario World. They have they I know that in the end credits, they have gusty garden from Super Mario Galaxy. Of course, there's like a lot of they use the the theme for the original SDS theme for Rainbow Road when they shop on Rainbow Road. And it's like, yeah, it's really cool to hear all of that in there. Like, I'm never going to be unhappy to hear more of the original compositions, partially because I think that there is an interesting contrast between the strength of the compositions based on the original themes compared to the original themes for this film. Because like the original theme that they have for this film is like, yeah, it's OK. Like it's not bad. It's all right. But then when it contrasts with the melodies from the games, it's like, oh, damn, man, like, yeah, these are these are really good. The orchestral versions were very impressive. Yeah, yeah, they felt really great. They fit well with what was happening at the at the time. It was really nice to listen to these versions of, you know, the tunes that everyone recognizes. If anything, I'd say I wish we got more of it because I agree. I think that there are parts when it's like, damn, I wish that lasted a little bit longer of like the original game music. Because like some because if you listen to the soundtrack, like the way that it's the way that like it's all very time to what's happening on screen, which there are moments where it's like, damn, I wish I had a little bit more time to breathe like the composition like it will cut off just a little bit too soon for my liking. I'm always going to want to hear more of the game music. I want to take a format of jokes that they have. I think there's either three or four instances of the track playing like almost blaring and then hard cut to off when the character gets hit by something, you know, they very common form of joke making that can add to blandness or not depending on how you take it. But I think that I definitely would have committed to have all of the original music. Fuck it. 80s music isn't awesome. It is a lot of it. But you know, Well, yeah, because I could imagine like because I mean, why would she use one of the athletic themes for when he's completing the course? It just makes a lot more sense to me to throw in one of those themes. Or, yeah, obviously, when they show up in the Kong Kingdom, like have some Donkey Kong music in there. What are some other instances where they had a But Mario music tends to be very annoying. What are you talking about? Damn, that's like, I don't even know what to do with that. I don't even know what to do with that. The whole point of those tracks is they're designed to be able to be heard again and again and again because you're playing level so much. Well, and in particular, made for the NES when you had limited amount of instruments, they needed strong melodies. All of those songs have like incredibly strong melodies. Everybody knows what the Mario theme is. It's partially because it gets repeated a lot. Imagine there's like a really strong core of melody. They went to fucking Isle Del Fino at some point and they didn't play the music. That would be like sacrilegious. Well, I mean, if the next one is Super Mario Galaxy, which I don't know if it would actually be, and they don't play like every song that they possibly can from that soundtrack, I will be unhappy, I gotta say. Yeah, it's almost, well, a little platoon set, right? It's like you can't even possibly shove all of the amazing Mario tracks into these movies. There's too many. Well, yeah, because when it comes to Rainbow Road, right, it's like you got a lot of options for Rainbow Road. And Rainbow Road has maintained a lot of like the Rainbow Road for Mario Kart 64. Like that main theme has often carried through to a lot of the subsequent ones, but even then, like they also have their own. They also have like their own unique elements like DS Rainbow Road versus Wii versus like GameCube. And even like picking music for Mario Kart, right? Because they use the menu theme for Mario Kart 8 when they're building their carts. Oh, that's right, because they had another pop song there as well. Damn, I can't remember which one. It's like, why? Why can't you use like more Mario Kart music? Like, please, I implore you. Because I would be curious to know if there's just like provably a better move for the box office or something. I just, I was on one day, you know. I want to see the alternate universe, yeah, where there were no pop songs and it was all just really neat remixes or, you know, different versions of, you know, the music we all know and love, the classic stuff. So, Thunderstruck was a weird choice. Even if you accept that you are going to use pop songs as opposed to original music. You're on a road, you're doing an AC-DC song and it's not highway to hell. It was just used too much. But then again, they have fucking, you know, I need a hero in there, so. Yeah, we're going to have to talk about that song later. We're going to talk about it when we hit Tetris, that would make sense. We're going to talk about that song and how it's invaded my life. They do do a big old Mario Kart reference. Huh, do do. They do. They do indeed. They do a lot of Mario Kart reference. Which was a small move. Half of this movie felt like it was on the go kart, which is fine, but like, damn. Mario Kart, Mario Kart sells better than like the mainline Mario series. So like it's, it almost shouldn't even be a surprise that they did Mario Kart stuff. I would say it's part of what this film is going to benefit from, where it wouldn't, if not for the game's existing, is that people would be finding this a lot more jarring if they didn't know what it's adapting, because it's just like, we need to go from the Donkey Kingdom to the Bowser place. We have to do it through a shortcut, which is a giant rainbow road. We'll go on our carts. It's such a like, what? Well, no, it all, it's people who know what Mario Kart is are all just like, yeah. That was one of the other really common arguments I heard as well, which is that this is a movie that's unashamedly pro gamer. It's made for game fans and it did a good job for them. It doesn't matter that a general audience might not understand all of the references, or indeed any of the references if they're certain other reviewers. But you know, it does a good job by game fans. I can see that. I mean, hell, I played quite a few Mario games. It was nice being able to sort of scan the screen for references. That's fun for a bit. It does sort of start wearing off. But I don't know, I mean, would you agree that there has to be a distinction between pleasing game fans and pleasing a general audience? I mean, it's not, again, to use the inevitable comparison. It's not the approach Marvel took. It didn't say, well, we have to do something either for fans of comics or for a general audience. It did try and sort of blend the two. And it becomes more memorable for that reason or more universally enjoyable for that reason. It's awesome. A good story and a story that respects X thing aren't necessarily the same thing. Like, because I would think I would concede. It's like, yeah, it's respect in its source and it's treating gamers without being like, you know, like for a while, gamers just like gross basement dweller type situation while this movie is like embracing the game aspects. But I don't know if that has anything to do with how good the story is. Like this, this film is not spiteful toward its audience, which is what people feel about Marvel these days, you know, it doesn't hate us. It doesn't. It's good. Well, yeah, it doesn't. This movie doesn't mock the fact that Mario is a thing. It doesn't make fun of people who like it. It doesn't do any of that stuff. And that's something as well. They actually have anything. They avoid a lot of opportunities to like make fun of Mario and like the wackiness of Mario. A lot of the time they just kind of play it off as like what it is without sort of being very matter of fact. Yeah, you're a giant like walking turtle, right? Like they don't make those kinds of jokes often. They even make jokes about turtles, but like that felt restrained compared to what they could have done. It's not like they're embarrassed by what this is. Like other video game adaptations can be. And I think you could have like a really good story, but if it shits on a particular demo, like their audience, then it can like absolutely flatten people's enthusiasm for the thing. But I don't think Illumination does that ever though. Yeah, it's too safe. Why would they ever? Yeah, it's like Illumination is going, why the fuck would we ever do that? That would be stupid. Who would be foolish to denigrate the thing you're trying to monetize? Why would you do that? And you got like even if they did, Nintendo would probably be like, no, we're actually chill with gamers. It's shocking, I know. We actually think they're fine, so. Yeah, because there were, there's one or two sort of knowing self-references, but they are all quite sort of well-spirited. None of them are mean or ridiculing too much. So there's Bowser's speech near the beginning where he's listening. What does he say? Is it Koopas, Goombas, and whatever the hell these things are with little spiky turtles? But that was kind of funny and nice. And then there's... Yeah, we don't know what those are either. We don't know what those are called, you know? That's the joke is, you know, it's not putting it down. It's if anything, it's like the audience. It's like a meta thing, you know? And Peach makes one of Mario's height, but even then... He is short. He is very short, yeah. I'm trying to think of what other, if there are other comments in the film, particularly that were sort of meta and self-knowing. I'm sure there are some, but they're sort of slipping my mind. Princess is in another castle, I guess, was that one. That was a weird... That felt weird. It's one of the most well-known memes, so you got to put it in there. That's all that felt like to me. It's like, oh yeah, Princess is in another castle. What else is there to say about the old Mario movie? I can't... I like it. It's hard to not like it, I think. It's very... It's inoffensive. It's... You know, it doesn't shit on anything. It seems like it's got a lot of care and interest by, you know, the people who made it. You know, they have that for Mario, and you can't help but see it. It's charming. It's fun. It's vibrant and colorful. It looks great. I enjoyed a lot of the references and a lot of the little jokes. We could have gotten a whole lot worse. We definitely could have gotten a whole... We could have got a whole lot better. But this will... Hopefully all of the right messages will be learned from this. Probably not. Well, I guess we'll see. Is this the peak it is what it is, the film? Maybe. I don't know. I don't even think this is the peak it is what it is of our night. I assume you're talking about 65. I am, yes. That feels more it is what it is than this. But I see why you'd say that. But maybe we're just thinking of that concept differently. Probably. Maybe. Yeah, I don't know. We could sort of wrap on the old Mario there unless there's anything else you want to say. Word. No. I am interested to see another one. Yeah. And I'm very curious how the... What happens to the movie making landscape now that this has sort of decided to finally embrace a video game movie? Well, it's... It's worth because putting it in the context of other video game adaptations recently because this film might end up being the highest grossing film of the year. And The Last of Us was one of HBO's biggest shows. That's kind of, you know, like that's... I feel like that's not something that goes ignored pretty much when it comes to, like, trends. But I mean, in the case of this film the reality is you've seen a lot of films like this. There are a lot of films that are like this. They're just like... You know? Like... Don't forget to combo with the arcane, of course, when that finally has a second season. It has the benefit of being promoted by LOL and Arcane Season 1. And if it's good, that'll start to, you know, have a big old control impact. And it's like, damn, man, we got... Video games leading the charge in a lot of different ways. What else is coming? So this fallout is in production, isn't it? Borderlands, I think it's coming out this year. Interesting. God of War is in development. Fallout Show is, I think... It's in Bioshock in development as well? Yeah, Bioshock's being made Horizon, I think, is getting a Netflix series. Gears of War is getting a film and an animated series, I believe. I'm trying to think about what else is on the... Oh, well, they're making another Mortal Kombat. Which we will likely check out. The first one was something. Yeah, it certainly was something. Oh, Ghost of Tsushima, that's being... I think the guy who directed John Wick, all of the John Wick films is doing it. And Halo Season 2. Oh, God, you're right. The list goes on, by the way, and it's insane. Like, video game adaptations are fucking rolling out of the woodwork. Oh, Street Fighter recently got announced. They're getting a new live action film. Oh, Five Nights at Freddy, Minecraft as well. There's a Minecraft movie with Jason Momoa. The more they come out and the more superhero movies are less reliable for the box office, I feel like the shift has finally arrived. But is it a shift to anything good? I think that that was sort of my meta on Mario, which is that Mario, okay, it is what it is, and it is what it is film. It's kind of enjoyable enough, I guess. But if you extrapolate this out and say, well, all you need to do to make a good, successful video game movie is just a lot of references and very little plot. That will probably burn out, I would have thought, more quickly, no? I mean, isn't that going to get tiring? So one thing that I think video games will have is an advantage over superhero films and Marvel in particular is the breadth and the diversity of the genres and tones and types of stories and formats of stories that you're going to get with video games. It's so broad compared to what is done with a lot of superhero films that I don't know how that well runs dry. The Mario film versus the fallout television show, they're going to have nothing in common. Or even the fallout TV show versus a Gears of War animated series versus Arkane or something, right? Yeah, look at the ones we just referenced. Mario Movie, Arkane and The Last of Us show. Look at the difference in those three alone. And of course, a big thing that will probably help as well is that this is going to be done by all studios as opposed to Marvel, which is one thing under Disney and Marvel Studios and DC, which is one thing under Warner Brothers. But crippled corpse trying to copy and paste them. You're not going to get that with this. Let's say you only have the rights to God of War. You can't copy the Mario Bros. movie. Exactly. And why would you want to? Because the appeal of God of War and particularly if they're doing the Norse stuff is different from the appeal of a Mario movie. Because we saw it with The Last of Us, right? People entered into The Last of Us with a lot of expectations stemming from that game that are going to be very different from a lot of people's expectations of a Mario movie. And I think it reflects, right, in sort of the way that people talk about those and will reflect in the way that people talk about upcoming ones. We are in for some shit, for sure. Oh, absolutely. The shit must flow. But boy will it. G. Golly Willikers. If you were asking me which landscape if you had to have two, which one would you want? An abundance of video game movies and abundance of superhero films. It's like, you know, I'll give the video game one a shot. Another 10 years of Marvel's reign or switching over to the reign of video game adaptations is like, it's easy. Honestly, I think that's easy for everybody because even if it's going to be bad, it's different. At least it's a lot of variety. Different bad. The Marvel's trailer didn't reinvigorate your love of the superhero film. Gotta say no, actually. It's great. I'll say that. I can't wait to see the box office of that movie. I'm curious. And Guardians too, I guess. What is the influence of the decline because Super Mario Brothers made more money in a week than Ant-Man made it its entire theatrical run? That's true. And by the way, this film hasn't even released in Japan yet or a bunch of markets as well. Who knows how high it goes. I guess they'll put a bow on it, right? The general sentiment is eh, but entertaining. Yes. But entertaining is... You've seen a lot of films like this. Here's a question. For all four of us, would you recommend it? I would. If you like Mario, I'd recommend it. If you didn't like Mario, I don't know why I would recommend it. I don't know why I would recommend this necessarily over any other middling sort of animated film. Yeah, I guess that's pretty fair. I wouldn't recommend against it, I don't think. For basically like anybody who was... If anybody said, I'm kind of interested in watching the Mario movie, I'd probably just say, you might as well check it out. Better than nothing, toss it on if you've got a chance. There's no passionate recommendation for me. No. And even as Mario fan, it's not like a passionate recommendation either, I'd say. More or less the argument makes no sense. What does a Mario cinematic universe look like? It will be bad. No, Super Smash Brothers. I don't even know what's happening in that comment. Did I even talk about the guaranteed goodness of Smash Brothers? I don't even remember saying that. When we were talking about video game adaptations, we weren't talking about a connected universe of like... God of War and Mario. I don't even know what adaptations is a trend. Yeah, like creators copying each other to try and bank on the current interest from the audience. There's a world where a connected Mario universe could be good. There was a fucking world where a connected superhero movie universe was good. We didn't see it, though. What do we think... Actually, I'm curious, what do we think the sequel for this, because there will be one? What do we think the sequel is going to be? Which video game do you think it's going to be? What they might do is, I wonder, because they did a whole lot of cart stuff in this. If they're going to try and stay away from the cart stuff in the next one and stick more on a more platforming adventure kind of thing with Yoshi. Yeah, because you got the post-credits sequence having Yoshi. That was kind of surprising to me as well because you think now people are sort of trained to expect important post-credits scenes. My cinema was full during the film. Half of it left before the mid-credits scene and there were three other people besides me who actually stayed for the last one. So Yoshi might actually come as a surprise to people if that's a more general pattern that they did ease him. Yeah, there were a few of them there. Definitely. That would have been a difficult choice I have to imagine. Restrain the Yoshi. I love Yoshi. Love him a lot. He's a good boy. He likes Yoshi as well. I would expect that Bowser's going to stay out for a movie maybe and we have Wario. Yeah, I think Wario is... I guess I'm interested in like... because I would say that even though this film kind of was in some sense kind of a hodgepodge it was much more narrowing in on the most broadly recognized aesthetic of Mario and the Mushroom Kingdom and everything which makes me wonder if the next one's going to be Galaxy or Sunshine or if they're going to Dinosaur Island like Super Mario World kind of influence more directly. I'm not sure. I'm not sure if they're even adapting it that way. It could just be that they treat Mario as a grab bag of sources and then they make their own thing out of whatever they want from each of them. Sure, I guess the thing is that Galaxy in particular is quite well defined as its own thing and so with Sunshine too which makes me wonder... I feel like Sunshine ain't... I feel like that one is least likely to get anything significant. I think they probably consider it too limited in scope if there was a film of like Mario goes on a holiday and then he has to defeat a goon. Right, exactly. Whereas Wario seems like the next... I don't think Bowser will be the villain in the next one. It will be Wario or it'll be Bowser Jr. or the Koopalings maybe. It could be halfway through Wario breaks Bowser out of battle, you know? Yeah, and they team up. Oh, and also actually before we wrap it up, Charles Montane's cameos I liked the choices that they made for the cameos that they gave him if they weren't going to give him Mario, which they didn't. He shows up as kind of like a Frodo sort of like jump man a guy in the... I think it was like a punch out inspired because I'm pretty sure there was a picture of Little Mac up on the wall in the restaurant there and he was playing I think he was playing the original Donkey Kong on the arcade machine and it's just like standard sort of normal Mario voice that was the influence for their commercial where they put on the Mario voice and they have the capes, like the yellow capes that they're wearing and then he also shows up as Mario and Luigi's dad, which yeah, it feels pretty appropriate especially at the end when he's like these are my boys, it's like, oh man yeah, oh jeez damn, that's I like that I like that as much as I can when he didn't get Frodo the jump man Frodo jump man, let's use our ears here it felt like they knew that him not voicing Mario was kind of an unfortunate situation and that they did what they could to make up for it because, yeah, there was probably because Illumination was probably like hahaha, no if we get celebrities, we're not letting him play him, we gotta get them big names up there on the on the poster which is kind of which is kind of funny, right, when it's like Mario I feel like Mario, I don't know, I don't know that celebrity voice cast helps Mario make that much more money you know, but hey who knows hey indeed, so we could move on to one of two movies here, should we leave it to chat see which one they vote for more interesting let's come to the mob you want us to first talk about the movie that is all about how Tetris was made slash, you know, released the world or the movie about dinosaurs with Adam Driver I'm seeing a lot more 65 yeah, I'm seeing a lot more 65 as well I guess there's more mainstream sort of I guess so, I don't even know really yeah it's an odd one I saw that 65 was so bad maybe that's why people wanted us to talk about it okay, I guess it's 65 alright, 65 it is, yeah, sure the people have spoken let's talk about 65 for all the things that there are to really dig into 65 is a movie starring Guy and Girl and they, there's dinosaurs there are oh, wow, that's wow, that's it what the fuck, you just spoiled the whole movie and summarized the entire plot when I started talking, I thought it was going to go somewhere and then I was like, oh, no, we're done we found the destination just right there, look, there we go it's like if Mount Doom was next door to Bilbo's house and he's like, oh, man, we gotta go oh, no, it's right there, alright, well, takes care of that and it doesn't do that well like, even that it's not only extremely simple it's also extremely bad and it wastes anything interesting that it could have done I don't know if there's any real redeeming quality about this movie I guess Adam's driver's acting fine with what he was told to do there's that, there is that there's one kind of okay perspective shot right at the beginning with an asteroid flying towards the ship and then the ship gets really big and the asteroid's really tiny by comparison like the beginning looks kind of flashy and then they get down to the planet and it looks terrible and the creature design is awful and they don't even seem to have read like the most basic book on dinosaurs ever and they have no story tell there Translator was broken well, I mean we because it won't take long to go through it we'll probably go chronologically for the fuck of it the film opens right and this is the thing a lot of people are watching this because of its premise it's like he crash lands on a planet with dinosaurs because it's earth oh my goodness so he's like a human but he's an alien and he's crashed on earth before humans he's like okay so you go into the film thinking like alright that's why I'm here what else have you got that's how films work sometimes stories work they hook you in and then they give you stuff you weren't expecting that is all the film has to give you that is it and they know that so fucking well that they're like the opening we're in space and it's like oh these visuals are interesting then it goes prior to the advent of mankind it's like oh I thought that was going to be like something that we could gather but okay and then in the vastness of space it's like yeah I figured from the visual like the infinity of space I got that as films go in terms of like an intro there's not a great start unfortunately but it's not addictive necessarily of anything there's like other civilizations explored the heavens like what are you doing why isn't it just no text you didn't need text but that's just like the we had to tell the audience that as we were flying we had to tell them that as we were flying through the galaxy that we were flying through the galaxy we were exploring the universe they wouldn't know when you're like watching a film for the first time and you have no idea what you're dealing with necessarily because I didn't even know, I didn't check who wrote this and what they'd written before if I had I would have gone in with much less enthusiasm but you start out and it's like alien planet and good old Tyler Ren is chilling with his wife I guess and daughter and like the whole conversation he has with the wife is about how he needs to go on a trip for a while in order to make money to be able to pay for the treatment for his daughter so that she can live and it's just like okay you told me all that very point blank you could have found a way to it's like you could have found a way to do that interestingly I need to leave this planet to save my daughter who is ill but I don't want to leave her well you must leave this planet to save our daughter who is ill daughter gives performative cough then he leaves I hated her cough so drive me nuts the plot has been established we can now move forward with our lives and yeah it's just so blatant but then he goes to talk to the daughter he basically repeats all of that and you're like okay got it again cool just making sure you understand and then it's like alright now that that's done skip to when he's in the ship and you're just like yeah God this is already filled a little little paint by numbers movie but sure and the first thing you see is the asteroid hit the ship and like you're like oh there's no fields no defensive measures and no detection that's all very strange like baby's first sci-fi you think that's how that would work and like you see this huge field very easily with the naked eye that the ship goes hmm there's an asteroid field ahead probably yes there is probably mention this to the pilot so that he can do nothing you know before you get there the ship doesn't even like over the direction in any way it doesn't think to go like you know it'll chill until the pilot wakes up or we'll go around it it just goes no let's go straight in and warn them hopefully they wake up later in the film it's like oh it was unexpected yeah even if it is unexpected like I don't know can you not detect it you can see it coming from so far away they show us like I said just normal eyes you can see this shit coming from miles away ship's radar should be able to detect it far far ahead of the naked eye but instead it seems we have one of those spaceships that's one of those people who when they're driving down the road and maybe like a second before they change lanes they put on their blinker and then they just do it just to let you know that this is what's about to happen prepare your anus we are changing lanes and uh yeah unfortunately it minces the ship completely he loses like a shit ton of all the most important parts of it and every passenger they just get blown the fuck out some of them are blown out when he's already crash landed onto ehhhhhhhhh whoa spoilers, Mahler that's the funny thing right like you could, I think the film should have played with it a lot more, I would have made it possibly even try to make it so vague that it doesn't even get said at all in the film you don't even necessarily know like the creatures maybe choose creatures that people don't know about that are actually real for me to know dinosaurs from an age that are you know less well known maybe people could be like oh maybe that was, maybe that's earth that he landed on there doesn't affect the story in any way whatsoever what the name of the planet is but it would have been a nice little maybe that was earth when the dinothorth were on the earth and dinothorth are cool yeah and they keep flashing back to his daughter as well in like old scenarios and like I know you know it's the only thing you've really said so like I know but yes maybe one of the passengers survived well they're they're a hypersleep thing survived so he could get her out and yeah and that's like your premise he's trapped on a dinosaur infused world with a girl this world is infused with dinosaurs for extra flavour and a bit of fun we gotta talk about the title thing right sorry that does happen straight after that sort of is established because he gets her to be fair he has a wound and he uses sci-fi goo to make it better and it was kind of like a moment of well at least there's that that feels like a thing that would happen and he's got a little sci-fi gun it's like thank fuck he's got a sci-fi gun that doesn't have sights on it he moves it around like it weighs one pound and it's a cheap plastic prop okay alright well and he does consider killing himself because of this awful scenario but decides against it the thing that happens though I hate so much is he's walking around and he spots a big ol' footprint and he's like whoa doesn't the music get like hyper overbearing at that point this film has shockingly little confidence in anyone watching it to know anything about what anything means they will not let you misunderstand it's very bad that he's here and this is the scenario but it was funny because like 65 a lot of people may not have caught straight away million years ago that's the idea this happens in the film at this point I can probably show this 65 is actually a reference to the IQ of the writers it's very subtle hint for you to pick up this happens like a fifth of the way in funnily enough shows this and you're like okay fine like intro movie credits I guess 65 with the plan in the background it's fine it's fine and then I don't know how fucking long this takes it does that like million years ago you're like yeah I got it wow and see it's like oh it's coming okay cool yep I got it but we're not done then it says a visitor crash landed on and you're like no you're not gonna do it you wouldn't no I don't think I'm that stupid do you but the film does think you're that stupid I'm glad that the film has the confidence in me as an audience member to put it in text assuming that I can read it's the rings of power Southlands into Mordor it's so clearly apparent but no we also have to relabel things just for the exceptionally slow kids in the back of the theater but my question about all of this is there was no one watching it except us apparently the abiding question is just like why what about this script did you have some pressing need to turn into a film and they took ages the fifth attempt to put it out because coronavirus got in the way and something else got in the way and something else got in the way and they kept trying to release it and then it failed they tried to release it and it failed didn't work they kept working on this for ages and eventually they thought well solid I guess and just stick it in the cinema and we'll see what happens we won't do any we might as well yeah we might as well it's done now but just like the premise alone should really have disqualified it I mean why do you need to do this what was the point could you not have written literally anything else it could have been a fun little action movie if like this movie that's written well with a super simplistic plot for atom drivers just dealing with all these dinosaurs shenanigans with this chick that could have been neat and interesting there's a lot you can do with that simple premise and nothing neat or interesting was done with this simple premise in this movie you know for a fact that the creators were like you know he has a daughter and he's stranded with this little girl you see the parallels and you just be sitting there like you fucking kidding me seriously they're like it's just actually all you have to offer narrative like they're like but that's a story that is the story that is all that there is to it yeah yeah by the way so trapped on a planet with dinosaurs with little girls like oh we doing you know wolf and cub situation it's like well she can't speak English so that is not an impossibility but it's very hampered unfortunately wait wait did you say wolf and cub aren't you and I wolves called pups wolf and cub's story references like a storytelling thing not necessarily biology or accurate because I feel like I feel like that it would be like a lion and cub or bear and cub right you know I don't make the rules ranks I just follow the colloquial lines the idea is well often time it's not even familial the two it's like the idea right the wolf well so that's what you know that's the last of us Logan like children of men yeah a lot of the time they are actually disconnected from different worlds sort of thing a little little apen child yes and I quite like it as an archetype it's always fun and interesting to clash two very different people in a but it's been said before I think Mandalorian is probably the best example of it up it's like it is a baby it doesn't add anything it just goes google gaga it's basically cargo the thing is I don't want to say that it's like I know that's not what you're saying but to make it clear to rule out like doing these more unconventional kind of parents with like a character who can't talk or a character who can't communicate with the other person because they speak a different language or you know like one of the characters is like deaf or something it's like these sort of barriers to communication like these things can be leveraged really well in this case I think it's done pretty poorly yeah you could just be shit at it and we don't really learn anything with these characters ever Adam Driver like consistently forgets that she can't like speak English and that there's really no reason for her to understand anything that he's saying but often she does I would be fine with him talking at her or in general because that's just how he's dealing with the situation but there are oftentimes where he says something to her and it's looks like he thinks she understands what he's saying and it's like but you know she doesn't yeah but then to his defense she will randomly pick out like the important words and somehow sort of know what they mean it's sort of the worst of both worlds where you have a breach of communication so you don't get any interesting like back and forth story stuff but then you also get like it makes Adam Driver look like a moron in this movie because he's acting in a certain way that you wouldn't know if someone was there communicating with you because when he wants this movie you think oh like if I was Adam Driver what would I do to communicate this and whatever your idea was just now it's better than whatever was in the movie this movie sucks at trying to portray an adult Adam Driver as being someone who's trying to communicate with I definitely didn't mean to imply because on the Wolf and Cub thing you could even probably run a story where it's a baby and a guy and make it work because it was never in a position where it could never work or anything it's just that there are choices you make if you're going to hamper yourself in terms of easy avenues for payoffs and development then you're going to have to work that much harder and this film makes it so she can't speak English which is like okay if you want to do that you know they can't like talk if you do that right oh you do know okay well I'm sure you'll do something interesting to balance that oh you not oh okay then well I guess you can just fucking grunt for 90 minutes that's fun too I guess that's with mentioning at some point not necessarily not now but it's an hour and a half movie and it's fucking long way too long it feels a lot longer than the Mario movie yeah Mario movie is about 90 minutes too and that film was just flying by because stuff was always happening there's always something to look at and listen to and always a little joke to notice or something was going on and in this boy wow very little occurs and what little does occur half of it is a repetition you'll never be surprised either by this film you'll be shocked by how shocked you aren't it's almost like it's working really hard to make you bored so you don't pay attention to it it's part of a strategy of the film if you look closely at the thing it's even worse so if it's just sort of boring bad and it stops you looking at say creature design then they've probably done a reasonably good job because at least you won't be picking out the really really nasty shitty flaws in the thing well and to give an idea of what kind of film you're dealing with right he looks down over like a ledge and he sees some dinosaurs running around he's like hmm and then one just jumps at him seemingly out of nowhere just on to him just going bleh bleh bleh bleh bleh bleh and then like beats it up with the gun and he's like is it dead? is it dead? and he moves real close to it real slowly real close oh god Mario wasn't actually dead now it's dead okay we're good it's such a like what are those scenes we're just like man how many times have we seen that scene like a thousand at this point thousand thousand it's fucking annoying yeah you just like oh there's so little and I know all of what it will be and it's still somehow worse than I imagined this movie is just like a waste of film you know yeah everything involved just got wasted unfortunately and just mainly because the script is fucking abysmal yeah script is virtually consistent to bad I'm like legitimately thinking what I think the best part of the movie is not counting the lol when it ended um uh some of the CGI wasn't terrible oh we got a funny Adam Driver yell yeah we go yeah that was funny I think it was legitimately the only laugh we got out of the movie it was supposed to be like a tragic dramatic moment it was that little device that shows like a digital vision of him in the dinosaur fight and it shows that for a little bit during the fight that's that was that was something right that that could have been something that was kind of nifty yeah but we were talking about like all the ways that that could have been interesting and better and memorable the characters are dumb Adam Driver is dumb in this we'll just call him guy guy is dumb and girl just makes some noises and she's dumb too they're both dumb uh the dinosaur segments are dumb uh it's it's just what a what a what a shit film so selectively highly competent though so she'll be dumb and mute for the most part but then occasionally the film will need her to do something like I don't know make a spear and then jab that spear into the eye of a fake dino at some point so like she's selectively very very highly skilled it was attacking him um yeah he was deadly she had to save him from the dinosaur we felt very very bad for that dinosaur by the end it's yeah you got both of his eyes taken out and then like melted yeah I felt bad for the dinosaur that was the character I felt worse for than anyone else was the dinosaur I felt bad for him I felt like oh he's just being a dinosaur it's not his fault why'd you have to be like this much of a jerk to him you could have just left in your space shuttle oh man oh yeah the plot it oh yeah go ahead go for it it's more interesting probably not actually no but it might have been funny if the giant because the film sort of wraps up with the extinction event the huge asteroid I wasn't sure if the film was even gonna try and do this but like is there a world in which the ship he was on that crashed into the asteroid um is actually it knocked the asteroid into the path of our planet in which case like he is indirectly responsible oh my god killed the dinosaurs that'd be hilarious but he's like god he created a man kind of not really but still beautiful give us a chance to take over uh yeah someone I wanted to bring up was like you know they have all this amazing space age tech and stuff it's like they don't have a translator it's like they did it got broken oh no that would have been so useful throughout the movie if they could like have conversations and talk to each other and discuss their thoughts it's really funny because they have several console type like you know pieces of tech be it on the ships or in handheld form but like none of them apparently have a working translator just like but the handheld all purpose scanner so that he falls down into into a cave and it can detect air flow is to guide him out of the cave he can point it at a light in the sky and it can say catastrophic asteroid detected yeah it's not the only catastrophe I've detected in this film but it's it's definitely one of them what rule yeah because what we're actually seeing about him trying to teach us stuff there's several moments where he is trying to uh communicate with him but they're all pathetic I think the the waterflask one was one of the really bad ones for us just like oh my god he couldn't be doing this waterflask was bad eating the berries as a no-no was bad there was like the the mountain when he makes the little mountain thing we have to go to the mountain like virtually all attempts at communication are done extremely poorly to the point where I would not blame her at all for not knowing anything he's being very irresponsible by not telling her that the berries are not edible in a better way he's so guy sucks does and there's a lot of the films got a new film quite a bit a lot of the time because otherwise this would be too easy so we'll get like a horde of dinosaurs coming at him in order to make that like something he has trouble dealing with but you also get like he climbs up a tree to get a better view of something clearly stands on a on a branch that's like already breaking and it's like the carol zoom in on it be like see something's gonna happen here and it's like it's gonna break and it does and then he loses footing and fucking lands on his arm and dislocates it and it's like you didn't think maybe you should step on something a little bit more sure-footed than that it's like yeah well fuck you we gotta get him in some kind of trouble somehow and yeah it often feels like that's the kind of thing the movie's doing it's just going through the motions until they get to the location but oh no he's broken his arm now and oh no there's a horde of dinosaurs they're just about to attack him you're like oh but the reason that he broke his arm dislocated his arm or whatever was because he decided that he really needed to climb this one tree instead of fight it's like it's a consistent through line with this movies that he's dumb so it's really tough to feel for him or tough to like sympathize because he's just constantly doing stupid stuff and a lot of that shit in mediocre films where she runs off to hide somewhere and it turns out she's right next to another huge like fucking set of dinosaurs he was just to a right it's like oh she didn't see them when she ran into the place the first place it's so fucking funny the camera just pans around it's like look it's warm look they're all here yeah I'm really I'm really proud of as we talked about the movie this long already yeah we were like halfway through already in terms of timeline so we were getting there it's close to the end this movie felt like it was 65 years long remember how long they did the scene of him trying to whistle to get her to stop being sad oh yeah god damn that lasted a long ass time jeez I just wanted the dinosaurs to eat them oh my goodness I just didn't care about any of them they were both too stupid to live none of them were none of them were interesting they didn't do anything interesting with the ideas so I'm like I don't know like just be like a dinosaur food what what's the insane coincidence that they happen to land on earth the day before the asteroid hits it's fucking you gotta have that moment with a the escape as the asteroid hits earth the very one that wiped out the dinosaurs you're like oh you're so fun aren't you that when all the fun things happen and that's so interesting they had the like they hit so they hit the asteroids on the way into the planet and then even though that should be like what many years away or something like that they're just like instantly crash landing on earth and then the asteroids have to catch up with them I guess which doesn't feel like it lines up but whatever I'm not really sure what's happening there yeah I'm a little confused this is part where they are in a cave and the big open entrance of it t-rex head comes through whatever fucking dinosaur it is I don't really care and he shoots it in the face and I think I remember you rags being like you'll kill it if you shoot that thing in the face you have a sci-fi gun oh yeah it's like a laser gun it's several times and it's blood all over it and it's eyes apparently burst by this exchange and then they're like ah run and they run into like the spooky cave and go real deep and it's like you were winning I should do that I'm shocked it survived that because remember the other one they like hit it and it just like essentially dies I was confused if it was a one shots that one doesn't he said there's the one later on where he shoots it once in the head and it dies I think it survived but I was confused I thought there was a third t-rex there was a third there was a third or I thought it got because so it's yeah it comes back it got shot in the face by the laser and it got it's eye shot out it comes back for revenge rags it comes back for more which I guess I mean maybe he's just curious he was seeing what was going on in that cave oh remember the little proximity things around there that when they slept he puts the little things down I think they detect way more than where they are but it's still very strange it was like what's the idea is it detecting outside of the cave he puts down these like little radar things around where they're sleeping like little pylons or whatever and they turn they say oh no there's danger because there was a bug in her mouth and then I don't know and then he like breaks one to the sci-fi tech in this balls they could have done something interesting with cool sci-fi tech like a science fiction survival kit when you have so in a what was it I think it was like the foundation series that Azimov wrote there was because it's a super far in the future and there's a gajillion planets that humans are on and they go all across the galaxy and the scale of the traversal area is extremely vast there is there's these illusions to this idea that if you are in a spaceship with your crew and you're going out from this planet to that planet wherever you're going and you crash land on a world that's habitable then your job is to essentially become settlers for that planet and so you all start getting together making kids build and civilization and that essentially is part of how humanity spreads is they tell everyone that you're supposed to essentially make this planet a new planet for humanity and so you think they'd have these ships that are crossing the galaxy that have these super cool sci-fi survival kits and really neat things that they could have pulled out and used and he's like oh I don't know if they're gonna find us or X miles from the last beacon or whatever we sent out it might be years until they get here we don't know they might be they don't explore any of that any of the cool sci-fi elements of this movie are just nothing if anything it works against the movie they dismiss it right at the beginning when he sends the distress message and his first version says send help and then his second version says there's no need for recovery it's like but you've just you know the film is established that you're a spacefaring civilization that explores other planets you've just landed on a habitable planet you don't yet know about the mega death asteroid you might think that actually there's every reason for them to come and pick you up regardless of whether you happen to be alive or not because you want to ship a week away for all we know or like two days to the left or right or up or down or wherever we don't know there's a conflict of like different intentions though because I think they wanted us to take away from that they just like don't come rescue me I just want to die because I'm sad because of the daughter thing that they reveal a little bit later that she died but the fact is like I don't even think they would accept that if you sent a message out to this highly advanced civilization like oh I crash landed here on this habitable planet they don't rescue me they'd be like what well any Robinson Crusoe right that that story is from the perspective of him writing down all the things that he does and so it could have been like an interesting I'm sure it's been done before but fuck it do it again it's a neat idea this premise essentially Robinson Crusoe in space I've crash landed on this alien world how do I live and survive do I eventually meet up with people looking for me or just they just happened to you know our civilization is expanding so any habitable world like earth would be that'd be like crazy real estate you know any any sci-fi element that could have made this really cool and interesting and dare I say world-building is just it's just it's not it's here there's nothing here that's interesting about it it's so lame it could it's just guy in the woods with some chick and then they go home they get deep into this cave to and they like well there's no real ways to go further now so I guess we're fucked the whole time we would just like go back go back go back and then he's like what if we use the grenades to try and blow away open it's like oh yeah that can't backfire there's nothing that'll go wrong with grenade in the walls of a cave don't get it this is the characters are just the characters are too stupid for me to care like oh you're not a real person you're just an idiot how does he know how it can go wrong and then if you guys never seen this coming there's a cave in there's a cave in and they get separated and presumed dead on either side and it's like wow crazy that that would happen and yeah you're getting close to like the fucking third act at that point you're just like good god just end there's no reason for me to continue this crazy bullshit but yeah they he falls in a I don't even know what it is like a quicksand I think so it looked like goo mud sand whatever the situation was it goo? I don't think so it looked gooey but really runny are things viscous I forget how it works sometimes is it very viscous or not viscous I think goo is quite a bit do you have viscosity if you flow more or do you have less viscosity if you flow more I forget less I think yes because viscosity means like thickness kind of because well the characters had a lot of viscosity but the quicksand did not it was very gloopy and runny and he's about to die and then she saves him and then he's like calm it's about to hit it's the worst thing ever and they get to the ship that they've been trying to get to unfortunately they get it all sorted out and then 2 t-rexes arrive this is as far as you went it was he lands here and then he has to fight the dinosaurs that's all you had but his daughter though and you're like uh huh it's also worth noting how very very convenient it is that the little girl turns up to save him just in time because they're separated in the cave they have different entrances presumably she has no way of orienting herself it's just complete part luck that she happens to run off in the same direction as he does roughly the same pace even though he is much bigger and taller and stronger and just arrives just in time so he's gone under the the sinking goo or whatever we're calling it and he is for all intents and purposes drowning and then yeah she just appears in time with a huge tree branch and helps him out which is very lucky there's a tree like down into the the the whole sequence is terrible sorry I mean not goo sequence the whole like quicksand sequence sucks um because he like falls into this really really it looks like he should just be able to swim in it but he like sinks into quicksand and it goes up over his head and then she happens to randomly stumble across it and she takes this like this tree that's really bendy and she bends it down into the quicksand and he grabs it I guess because he knew it was there and she saves him and then that's done and they move on instead of him probably she should have been terrified that he almost like drown and mud and that would have been a little you know existential bit of terror but I guess it wasn't really and when the two trekses attack he like gets his gun it's like well this is gonna be over quick and then the gun is like do not recognize thumbprint do not recognize the thumbprint he's like oh no and it's just sitting like fuck off like of course that's the only way you can make this have any tension you just fucking wreck the t-rex otherwise and then like he gets under a log and activates it through like I guess like a code instead and I was just like why didn't he do that the second the thumbprint doesn't work you do the code instead it takes him like a split second just go boom boom boom boom and it's open why don't you just do that his character as a portrait is being like a warrior or a soldier or anything but he's really good with that gun when it works um yeah it's but that's like the gun's fault not his yeah in a way well I guess I'm saying he's not very good with the gun if he can't immediately when it's like jammed on the thumbnail scanner thumbnail thumb scanner they should just do the code but you know we needed that gap of spooks but um all he does is unload anyway as soon as he's activated you need a mildest of tension they even I have to talk about this shit so they just the girl distracts the dinosaurs by playing a hologram of his daughter and he's like sad when seeing it and then they have the t-rex is so distracted by it it tries to eat the hologram and I honestly think that was the creators being like you see how tragic it is he has to witness the death of his daughter once again he's crying and it's like fucking what what are we doing that could have been a really cool like an actual setup and payoff if we found out that he had like a little moment let's like essentially like a photo album but a sci-fi version of it because remember this is a science fiction movie actually but he has like the photo album thing and it makes the holograms and he uses that as bait for the dinosaurs later where his his daughter like saves him he couldn't save her but she ends up saving him oh my god that's something that's something I think dear god that's something it's doesn't think about like how you portray a thing they're just watching the dinosaur like a little bit and a hologram and I'm supposed to treat that as like incredibly sad and symbolic of the loss of his daughter I'm just like nah it's funny I'm sorry and I'm like oh you suck all this sucks this movie sucks balls okay yeah it sucks so bad I'm surprised we talked about it this long and I've already said that before we almost hit credits because he just kills the two t-rexes then the third evil one right oh we didn't talk about her saving the baby dinosaur and it gets at oh that was that was funny yeah that was funny sorry you're right let me go back and find it yeah because they're wandering around and she spots his cute happy dinosaurs in like a mini topic like going oh no I'm dying then she's like no and runs to it and he runs to it this is like oh it's such generically happy like we got him and he's safe and he's like yay I'm a safe happy cute dinosaur now that it walks off and gets eaten it's it's like a fucking comedy beat I don't think he was I think it's supposed to be tragic I think it was supposed to be tragic but it was funny because they see this large creature in the mud and they save it and it gets eaten by the little ones and then they have to hide from the little bitty dinosaurs even though you know for a fact that you can annihilate them probably without the gun yeah you probably just kick them and they'd fuck off because he's big and strong throughout the film they give up on like food that they already have to expend more energy to hunt something else that's a thing that happens in movies and shit a lot it's like I know I just killed something but like and I've got this free meal right here but what's that a little small scrawny thing that's running away into the woods I better go chase that it's like they're animals you know like dinosaurs were animals they do have self-preservation instincts and like a desire to not waste energy when they've already got food you know but hey drama right this really sucks especially with you say drama like the fucking the way they have the bad guy dinosaurs show up at the end with the missing eye you know I know you Adam you took my eye dramatic pauses when it's like what are you doing if he wants to eat him just let him like just hurry up get this movie over with they try to inspire a sense of like truly man versus nature or man versus dinosaur and it's like you did such a piss poor job of that I really did like I just I find it like really hard to say much about this film it's so like we've almost like expanded every last moment of it I think it might be one of the lamest films I've seen in a while this is a really lame movie it didn't have it there's no reason it had to be lame it didn't have to be lame a whole bunch of hook was a cool factor and they wasted it they're wondering say is this worse or better than Jurassic World Dominion oh we haven't seen it but I assume Dominion's worse I haven't seen it but I assume Dominion's worse this is mostly bad because it just doesn't I imagine this is more boring this is definitely more boring than Dominion yeah I haven't seen Dominion by the way okay no spoilers then it's not very no spoilers we don't want to spoil that one just passing by just though like he's about two meters away from the fucking t-rex at the start of this and then he manages to outrun it at night all the way to like dawn on somehow it's like an open field he's just running it keeps showing the dinosaur chasing him but it keeps editing the dinosaur further back every shot it's that ultra so clearly so much faster than he is yeah just never quite managed to get there very fast yeah he baits it to the the geysers and he just one of them hits the dinosaur and then he's about to get eaten because it's only wounded she stabs it in the face in the eye specifically and then he gets like hardcore fucking melted and you can't help but feel bad oh really bad for him yeah they land in Yellowstone National Park and Old Faithful spurns him and then you get something won't be I think what it is I don't like about it is it's like dinosaurs just trying to like survive and he gets this horrible death and and like it's punctuated by the fact that he was about to just get vaporized you know death anyway well yeah it's like he got a horrible end right when the world was about to end anyway I think that's what's funnier is that where they leave it's like when you're about to win in a video game but you still have to get that last kill on some guy I'm pretty sure the asteroid like hits right in the area that they were as well just to add more dumb assery to the whole thing like where they're lifting off from the asteroid right there like they they miss it by like maybe 30 seconds like really couldn't be couldn't be like you know they they leave like the day before it gets yeah that that shot or is like look at that right fucking next to each other it's just dumb and also the fact that he just think about that right like he he he crashed lands right where the thing is gonna hit you know like Earth is Earth's pretty big it's a big place yeah most most of the earth didn't get impacted specifically by the meteorite obviously the whole world got like massively screwed up because of it but it just had to be right there and then he escapes just in the nick of time as the well they do a skip he gets into like fucking orbit and the asteroid moves like a meter like it skips so hard just like yeah look how close it was guys yeah he made it if this home showed a bit more restraint if it showed even like a modicum of restraint like imagine if you had the title show up here at the end it's like ah see yeah there you go without any of the extra text underneath it just the title and then hopefully by then everybody would have figured it out that was proper you know instead of just putting that at the front with all of the home the vastest space before humanity yeah by saying before humanity you've already we could have assumed that out of driver was a human from earth no reason why you could have done that it could have been an alien that would have been neat it's just a guy they didn't even give him the pointy ears or the Star Trek forums or anything they didn't give a fuck I gotta say like I'm getting so frustrated with like I like aliens I like actual like aliens that aren't just like people or people with like blue paint on like I like it when they're like it's like a mass effect you know where like you've got like quarians and tourians and salarians even though all of them are you know they stand on they're all like hominids but they're distinctly different in their shape and their their profiles are all indistinguishable you know like the Vanar and stuff like much more pretty looking like aliens did I say yeah Hannah that's what they were cool right yeah I like seeing aliens and I'm tight because we saw it in that trailer for the Marvels as well right where they've gone to like some alien planet but it's all people there's humans I'm tired of it I understand why they did this in Star Trek in the 60s you know but uh you have the money to just do the aliens and get all of the incredibly elaborate makeup or just visual effects because the aliens it's not just the aesthetics which can be interesting but imagine them going through this with an alien mindset like an alien culture where Adam Driver plays like he's this is a military ship making just like a cargo run between two outposts and the ship crashes maybe because they're at war with another alien species you know and then as it crashes he discovers there's this little girl who's a stowaway but he's this hardened battle guy and he does he's no nonsense and everything like that and he's got this big you know warrior honor culture and she's just like a little girl or whatever and instantly you have something that's like neat and different and you know I guess not too different but you know it's something other than just oh look it's some guy so I mean like because this film would probably try and sneak away with being considered like oh it's your normal average generic film it's like normal average cool good generic would be more like what Razz just said plus like you have engineer character character who's maybe more comic relief chill he was there on vacation character who is the saboteur the one that actually damaged the ship and reduced its abilities to see I don't know fields and different things in order to he wants to kill someone in that group or something is part of some of the drama that has nothing to do with this actual ship but they all crash they all have to work as a team you know what reminds me of pitch black oh yeah pitch black we got to do that trilogy we got to watch pitch black again at some point so I love that younger pitch black is neat premise of that it's a big old ship that's carrying prisoners and you know vacation people it all crashes on a very dangerous planet and they all have to work together very straightforward that would be where I'm more happy to say you know generic standard fun good maybe I need to see it again but this does not deserve that this film is terrible like it completely squanders every last piece of storytelling it could possibly have doesn't deserve to be called like well yeah like its ideas are frankly like not that interesting the high concept is all right of like oh they're on a planet but as it turns out of that it's actually this place and that's like gradually revealed over the course of the story but I mean that's not worth like that's that's not worth anything if the execution is like this feeble it's like every like all of the ideas are really basic and even those ideas on executed well one's plenty of stupid stuff and it's just I don't know it's I don't consider this to be like even remotely valuable it's like an experience yeah I mean some I mean some camera guys get paid and some CGI animators did a half-assed job there are some cool landscape shots yeah oh and it's also the soundtrack is incredibly insistent and generic as well yeah yeah it tells you how to feel at every every moment sometimes I like that we have episodes we could talk about stuff like this because this this will all be forgotten by me so at least it's now recorded and can be played again and again theoretically by people if they are wanting to know what I thought of this movie because I will not remember what I think of this movie in about a couple months like yeah it was stuff in it I won't my brain cannot hold on to stuff like this it's like nah this is just the movie that decays in your mind your brain knows to just push this out to make room for something else your brain is like yeah you could remember this movie but you might need to know the year the battle of Hastings so we better hold on to that one yeah we're gonna keep that instead I only watched it two days ago I think admittedly there was a lot of whiskey involved in a house party in the intervening day but I was forgetting most of this film as we were describing it so I forgot on the cave sequence completely it's that unmemorable that takes too long as well that scene all of it takes too long it's kind of like a performance art piece in its own way is it's just like how oppressively bland can you possibly make a film so well this is a pretty good entry yeah and I saw someone saying like why would Adam Driver have agreed to this he's doing all kinds of movies first off there's money but second off this could have been cool and the concept of a kind of movie like this there's nothing about this the way it was sold to people through way to mouth was better than the movie you start out with a man who's doing a thing with a ship and it crashes in some kind of sci-fi accident whatever ends up on a planet with dinosaurs he's not human that's the reveal it turns out this is Earth from ages ago and he's an alien it's like oh okay and you just find out like that's all the film had that was it you find that out in the first fucking five minutes they tell you before you can even understand any characters they're like humans aren't a thing yet oh well what about the ones we're like humans aren't a thing yet okay alright he looks like Adam Driver though but oh hey is this Earth this is Earth this is Earth this was 65 million years ago on planet Earth now go tell your friends okay it's a great idea you got there oh yeah I'm not going to tell anyone about this movie this movie sucks if you didn't gather our feelings about this I'm happy to move on to the last one now I'm just assuming it's not done anything box office wise and so there's no threat to the sequel there's no threat there's no threat of people talking about it ever again I don't think I think I had a budget of 45 million I made 55 million didn't even get to the 65 million you didn't even get to 65 million I didn't even get there did you mention it was written by the guys who wrote The Quiet Place which when you said that I was like oh well I've written it directed by the guys who wrote The Quiet Place and I think Sam Remy produced it as well don't know what that means don't know what that means but knowing the people who wrote The Quiet Place which once again has its premise and then just fucks up everything going forward it's like doesn't surprise me at all oh not very good which means we've got one major portion of the scale left to fill this election to the best film out of the three Tetris a movie that is not really what people may have expected you almost want to immediately tell people no not a bunch of blocks with a bunch of expressions running around trying to complete lines in the world of Tetris or something in an animated way it is the story of how Tetris became what it is today it's how it started pretty cool and it's a story that I knew I think from talking to you before this film was even conceived always struck me as like that probably could make a good film actually well it's um I love Tetris I think it's one of the best videos Tetris is pretty cool what's one do you love Tetris actually no I've never got on with Tetris but I love the film oh my god you are human I guess that's okay it's alright we forgive you yeah I I really like Tetris it's like damn man if you want to make a case for a game it's like you nailed it you got it I wouldn't change anything it's like conceptually incredible like in terms of playing it like the amount of versatility that the core gameplay loop has it's like damn man Tetris is it's hard to beat that yeah I skip around the whole film a bit but I really enjoyed that we didn't just get a retelling of history there's a couple points that the film wants to make I think broadly about not just I don't know the creator or video games or art but like human experience is kind of cool there's the sequence in the nightclub where they're all listening to like it's the final countdown sort of yeah like sequences with that and he's like come on how could you possibly resist like dancing to this this is just like universal sort of thing about like what what does Tetris represent in this film and it's the it's such a fundamental fun experience that it's like it's transcending borders of culture and just geography yeah it's something that's like everyone should have a chance to play it yeah and so like what we see is reflected in sort of the characters and their motivations is that our protagonist Hank Rogers is essentially he's got the purest motivations of like I love this game I love what it like is and represents and I just wanted to get it out there yeah as well as with a genuine appreciation for the work of the creator Alexi Pajit I'm probably gonna miss Pajit Nov I'm probably mispronouncing his name like a real appreciation for his work that isn't reflected by basically any other characters in the story who it's like vying for the same thing and so yeah I said it's probably like the core theme which I don't know if you were expecting a theme from you know what I mean like I don't know what people would expect from like a Tetris you know a Tetris film something about this it's style it incorporates 8-bit filmmaking all the time in terms of one of the things that struck me when I first watched it was how cool it was to bind primary characters in terms of how significantly out of the story to 8-bit counterparts that they show on screen as like players it's just a fun way of connecting that aspect right and they make sure like I think they try their best to keep this story as limited in terms of the boring elements as possible because there's a lot of red tape things that can happen where an audience might get bored it's like I don't care about I don't know how things move forward license and tax and stuff but like you try your best to format all of this in a way that will be very entertaining and you know they take liberties is kind of where I'm going with that there's a car chase in this that we all assumed didn't actually happen but it makes for a fun seed and that's why when they say based on a true story they are definitely heavy on the base certain broad strokes about the nature of the complications regarding the rights and how they were distributed all that's there but I don't think there was a car chase probably not I don't think that happened and obviously the time scale is condensed for more like snappy drama of characters being in the same place at the same time while all the things happening there's obviously deviations from reality but I mean it seems like it's all deviations for the sake of like they're broader thematic objectives that seems to purpose a lot of it yeah like it wasn't yeah exactly it was deliberate and it wasn't just like oh well this will be more exciting it's like maybe it will be but like yeah it feeds into something bigger yeah all the characters are very straightforward and you understand exactly what they're invested in and sometimes you'll have the use of sort of color and style to represent the places they are from or what kind of personalities they have especially when we get to like the Russian characters yeah surrounding elements or the soundtrack or the way that they dress it's all very fucking oppressive every time you see them the color scheme run it's always gray kind of hilarious sometimes I think the place where they monitor calls it's like like black and red I think of the main colors you could actually like identify fucking evil but of course part of what we get of in this movie is the the fall of that era of Russia as well as dealing with the rights to Tetris that involve America Japan again it's all these different characters they're all involved pushing around and lying about different rights different and it all just leads to everyone wants the money from Tetris except the creator who just wants to get all this shit over with I think it was one of the more impressive things about it actually was the way in which it yeah the Tetris rights battle is of course the hook and the thing which the narrative hinges on but it's best work is done around that I think particularly it's characterization of this collapsing Soviet Union it marries really well as well with that sort of 70s 80s sort of tech utopianism or the hackers manifesto about the importance of free and open source artistic creation crossing borders contrasting that with this oppressive Soviet system but also sort of foreshadowing as well the way in which the worst features of both regimes end up winning the Soviet Union isn't saved by capitalism any more than the United States would be saved by communism you get the worst characters from both Robert Maxwell admittedly not an American is a brilliant villain because he shows sort of the coronary and corruption which exists within the supposedly morally superior system there's no coincidence that he's the one who does all of the backroom deals with the money grabbers the proto-capitalist of the Soviet Union and if you chart where the Soviet Union goes after Gorbachev sort of breaks up the Soviet Union and becomes a more capitalistic under Boris Yeltsin you see sort of the max wellification of the Soviet Union which this film is kind of teasing I think that's quite astute social commentary it's not just Soviet's bad American's good it's actually the Soviet Union as a system was terrible the people within it want the same things as the people oppressed in a different way in America would like for themselves it's a culturally sensitive film it's a very character sensitive film as well and portraying that sort of common humanity as against the oppression of the money grabbing classes is yeah it was a really really enjoyable watch actually I came away from it thinking I'm actually glad to have seen something on TV for a change yeah and I was going to say by the way that character you reference Robert Stein the fucking guy his voice is such a hard not to notice when watching this film in terms of I think it's a little bit different compared to his natural voice I assume but he's playing such a fucking British guy he's Robert Allen's character you can recognize his voice from Mauritius yeah don't worry San I'll take care of all of this it's just like oh my god why aren't you voicing every villain I I thought Taren Edgerton was great Maxwell it should be said as well is such a brilliant person to have picked for your overarching film he is so fascinating as a figure in history this is a guy who worked simultaneously for Mossad and the KGB and MI6 he's largely responsible for the continued existence of the state of Israel because he was the one who negotiated with Czechoslovakia which was his homeland to smuggle weapons and aircraft parts to Israel just before the war for survival basically and then he's portrayed as the hero there he tried to cure famine in Ethiopia by doing a live aid equivalent for games at one point and at the same time he was stealing something like 450 million pounds from the pension funds of all of his various companies and that the last of those emergency funds set up to refund people was only I think paid off last year so that he's just he's this titanic figure at the center of everything the press video games that Mirasov was the largest UK video game distributor by 1990 I think it was basically the year that he mysteriously died and it's another sort of fascinating all history is that what would have happened had none of this happened or had he remained alive or had Mirasov not closed down would the UK have had one of the earliest biggest video games companies in the world to rival a big publisher like EA today for example and and yeah just just hinging that on Maxwell though they slightly they made it a bit corny with the shredding of the documents which is obviously a hint at the huge impending financial scandal is about to embroil him that was a little bit too on the nose but the rest of the character work was fantastic and choosing him with that presence with that pivotal role and because he is such an international crook and fraudster and also enigmatic it like beguiling character he yeah he was a brilliant choice I very much enjoyed him I think I am now realizing I think I mixed up the names was it was Robert Stein Toby fuck when I forget his last name Toby Jones was Robert Stein yeah yeah I was mixing up Maxwell and Stein sorry my bad so that may sound confusing but I think it could follow along from if you've seen the film anyway from what was being described it's a lot of shits going on they have to balance a shit ton of characters and events and they'll have to do it all in like two hours which is pretty difficult it's a brisk film something's always happening yeah they don't waste any time there's always a conversation happening to progress the plot or we're learning something about characters or we're learning a little bit about how you know people deal with the worlds that that we're in because you get this almost world and you get the you know like the the Soviet you know oppression land and you kind of bouncing back between those it's really efficient like at the beginning in terms of delivering a whole bunch of information that is really important like and and using like the pixel art kind of style to kind of obfuscate say obfuscate but it's kind of like elevate the exposition and just like introduce to you all of the key players that you need to know about in this as they all sort of converge on the rights to Tetris as it goes it's like damn that's like efficient it's kind of a complicated like it's a complicated core thing of like a bunch of different people have different understandings of what they own are relating to Tetris and like sort of if you have like a hundred events to give to the audience they go to like event 25 which is when let's say Hank has to get the loan from the bank and they're like well why don't we as part of him trying to get the loan have him explain the first 24 events and we can play the first event which is just him but it's trying to sell go which is like a fun sort of a way to introduce Tetris right because like go is one of the most oldest and classic games of all time and then it's like Tetris brand new on the scene digital as well and it's like it's about to become one of the most classic and understood recognized video games of all time and uh yeah and you have him explaining all of that and it catches you up and pushes you way further into the story than you know may have felt natural right because you need to get all of it find a way to skip past a lot of stuff but also give what needs it's do it's do um well yeah we need to establish pretty clearly what Hank's like interest in investment in the game is and that his investment in the game is beyond that of any of the other characters that we see except except for Alexi right the creator of like because I think he says like you know when he go to sleep I see blocks in my dreams it's like yeah he loves this game um and it comes through and in his like desire to actually make sure that Alexi like gets something for his work and contribution because it's kind of something that looms over the whole thing is he's not going to get anything is he not only is he not going to get anything but he's also going to like suffer essentially in the process of uh trying to get this game out there in the world for people to play and enjoy and like have it be disseminated broadly but then you know at least it sort of culminates in like a happy ending of him coming over to America they found the Tetris company he actually gets his dues makes a lot of money um it's kind of like one of those rare instances of yeah like the the good guys really prevailing in terms of like you know getting getting something for the work that he did for his creation especially when you've got all of these people like converging in just to get as much money as possible out of it yeah and uh we have so many different players of significance but they still try to intertwine a little bit of like characterization comedy drops here yeah one of the ones um yeah yeah got got me laughing at a couple bits I really didn't expect to uh is uh Kevin Maxwell right he's clearly like in way over his head desperate to prove to the world that he's ready to take over his father's business but at the same time like nobody quite treats him that way and it frustrates the hell out of him um overcompensates but at the same time well uh actually he still will like you'll go to Moscow he'll try and do the deals he's trying but it's never quite uh you know it always falls short he even says like because credit to him right like he'll he refuses to do bribes uh a piece of integrity his father doesn't have like who tries to grease the wheels so to speak of everything that happens you know you didn't have to do that you have a lot of movies especially ones that about based on true events that try and just have the character and be like this is what they did this is their role and then they're out but they try to characterize the ones that will take up a lot more screen time which is fun one of the guys I quite like to forget his name but the one that they're mainly dealing with for a log um oh yeah the um I don't remember his name but yeah he was quite liked him because uh his something his primary motivation was the good of the country right so he wanted the best deal that brought the most amount of money to the country and that was at odds with some of his superiors who recognized that the USSR was falling apart and wanted theirs you know wanted to get out with as much as they could which is commented on the movie a lot of people are starting to just grab whatever they can before everything falls apart um which is really interesting right like in terms of motivations from everybody in this movie he ends up being what is almost a good guy because he sees that the deal with uh Hank is actually the most profitable one um well it's the most generous deal um it's the deal but because it's like a deal that includes royalties like payments on every single uh but like games sold on Gameboy and a bigger upfront I think as well um it's like yeah it's like a crazy good deal but you got these other guys who's like well I'm gonna be cutting my own deals right so now because you have it with the KGB girl Sasha as well where it's like her own interests conflicting with um the big bad KGB guy who's just trying to get as much as he can for himself it's like yeah like you've got there's a there's a it feels like sort of all of the different perspectives that there could be on like Tetris and who should get it and like how it gets disseminated and who should get what like the every single kind of angle that you could have on that is uh explored to some degree I like that the moral nuance of it as well is that it doesn't just portray the Russians as this this mono evil block of people um it's it's clever to portray essentially the most honorable of the Russians they're dealing with as the people actually most ideologically committed to a Soviet Union which we all know to despise um and it's the emerging oligarchal class which you see growing in this film the ones who are just in it to get money for themselves which are really cast as the villains um which is not something that you usually get normally depictions of the Soviet Union are much more sort of quite absolute than that uh it's normally just the Soviet Union bad if you're committed to the Soviet Union you're evil um but this no this one's quite clever with that it does portray them as being honorably wrong as opposed to morally wrong the morally wrong people of the the money grabbers uh someone of it I guess an interaction I really enjoyed how it evolved over the film was when he first meets with illog it's very straightforward that he has no idea what Hank is saying until the translator comes in he waits for each of the translations before responding and you know everything's working teams of communication as you'd expect but as the film goes on and the stakes raise and more lies are exposed sort of thing he um he gets faster and faster with his responses until he starts overtaking like the translator and we hear him say stop at one point until eventually he uh he's shown the comparison he says this is a console this is a computer um the reason you've been screwed over is because this is considered the same by a lot of people and then he just goes like but one has a keyboard and then uh head goes one has a you can speak english exactly hiding his power levels yeah it's uh it's a fun thing that clues were given to the stuff like that is it doesn't have to be in the movie at all it just shows a bit of a talent for not only like script writing but characterization and um it creates a bit of dynamism in how people interact with each other instead of a more dry portrayal of how everything works well they seized a lot of opportunities to have comedy and build character in a story where it's like that's not necessarily the expectation that you would have um of like a biopic on the origins of like Tetris getting on the Game Boy you know yeah I think that the changes they have made to history for because I don't even know exactly what they are are probably for the best to make an entertaining story uh well it's uh I believe that are like because I think Hank Rogers and uh Alexi Pajitnov were like talk to about it like for the film but then eventually it got to the yeah um like uh there's a quote where I think yeah Hank says they tried their best to accept our changes when they had to with authenticity but when it started getting to creative flourishes like the car chases and all that it was like okay now it's all them yeah yeah um he says it's a Hollywood script it's a movie it's not about history so a lot of what's in the movie never happened uh but some stuff did um so like for instance apparently it was uh Hank Rogers convinced Nintendo to bundle Tetris with the Game Boy instead of Super Mario Land so there's like aspects of it that are true and then broad things that you know and then deviations and significant ones I guess that might even still play against it in the long run in terms of viewers though I mean I think it is a really good job of blending sort of the history and artistic license but if the impression is given that this is it's a video game movie about the history of video games for video game fans or video game nerds then it will be a shame if people are put off because they think that's all it is as opposed to a much broader story and a compelling and a fun story as well in its own right even if you're not particularly interested in the origin of Tetris it's still a really enjoyable film to watch if this was all fiction I think it makes for a good movie mm-hmm yep absolutely it does it it's just so I didn't expect anything like this from a movie you know like Tetris you know this wasn't this turned into like a Chernobyl light political drama and I was like what the dang we got like characters and car chases and we got this wonderful style to it and this is not at all what I was expecting but in a very good way they do a good job as well of making you feel like Hank isn't quite safe whenever he's in Russia everything's everyone's watching listening and lots of threats are made until the point where you literally like have one of the villains in the film he's dropping pennies off a bridge and he's talking to Alexi's children and he's like which do you think would fall faster if I drop them both just like this is uncomfortable because of how badly it could end but obviously if you have any benefit of knowing how this story ends and you'll know it works out eventually but it still follows like a three-act structure the that could act low point comes in exactly what you'd expect the you know there's a stress of his work versus his family life main character is a lot of stuff it just hits all in all beats and it's like an easy recommendation I can't see why anyone wouldn't enjoy it it's pretty straight it's got a lot of it's very approachable by all kinds of different people and it does as well it does capture that sort of the magic of that era of technology which was always going to be the big question to ask is that you know in a world where everyone can play ps5 or Xbox whatever the most recent one is or get a really you know expensive computer brilliant graphics how do you recapture the magic of the Game Boy when you put that on the screen which seems so basic and simple and commonplace to us but I think I think the film actually does a really good job of doing that by all of the storytelling it does around those props so the Game Boy itself is made slightly more like a religious icon because of the story that is being constructed around it and if because I'm lucky enough to be doing some work on Judas at the moment and if you get Ken Levine talking about this era of video games that magic and the excitement of it really does come through like everything is so bold and new and experimental and you've got so much risk involved as well because of that great creative freedom it's a germinal industry it's a time when you know arcade machines were driving video game innovation as opposed to handheld consoles or homemade consoles this film actually conveys some of that magic as well I think and it's that that sort of bold experimentation and all of the risks that the characters have to go through because of their sheer love of the art that they're creating it's a video games art movie as well and it does convey that pretty well there's a reverence for Tetris and video games in general in this film for sure yeah the way that they talk about it the way that it's you know well because it's so primitive to us you know but exactly at the time it was on the forefront but then there was um because there was the scene when Hank and Alexi were just in his apartment just messing around with Tetris and it was just like that was where everything sort of melted away and it was just the love of the craft of like you know what maybe you should make it so that like before like you know Rose disappear instead of just one at a time and like that's one of those moments where it's like yeah you peel back all of the stuff about rights and differing political systems and ideologies and everything and at its core it's just like humans sharing and creativity yeah that's what I really felt like was the the deepest core of this movie was ain't it fun that we can get to make things and experience stuff together a lot of different systems can prevent that and that's like precisely what the two main guys they're just trying to get this game out there that's tenacity and they win in the end they do because yeah in the end they consolidated all the rights to Tetris and they founded the Tetris company and that company to this day is still just overseas and is responsible for the licensing of Tetris um because uh yeah like Alexi he didn't get anything and then eventually it took like it took a while but yeah that was really good it took about the same time to talk about that movie as it did 65 but for very different reasons oh absolutely the funny thing about this is like there's loads we haven't covered but you should go see it absolutely there are it's got great acting a wide cast of characters that all feel very different they do such a great job nailing the vibe of that time both in America and in you know the USSR one thing I really like about this is that it uses like CGI and things like that to essentially accent a story instead of it doesn't like use it as a crutch that it has to lean on it's just extra a bit of extra world building and things um so if you want to have a if you want to have like a soviet city like well there's only so much you could do there or if you want to have like a soviet you know military parade like well that's beyond our budget to actually do but we can sort of have that thing be you know well done in CGI because it's accenting and it's adding to an already existing you know story instead of characters that were invested in and it just helps it feel all the more real as a result instead of doing the opposite that a lot of the times happens when CGI is used I just remembered by the way before we forget because we've mentioned it best of all of the film I need to hear our shows up in this film yes I have that are with with Russian lyrics in the end in Japanese yeah that's like hey we had we had we heard this song three times yesterday I know in three different languages and luckily it's a good song in the in the um the Russian and Japanese versions of it I think the Japanese version is done by Wren Arian but I don't know who does the the Russian version but they're all distinctly different enough towards like oh this is interesting to hear this kind of you know take on it and it doesn't take you out of the world either in the way that the use of these in Super Mario does but we've already have established in Tetris this this love of the music of the time period yeah yeah and it's it just works much better it's not distracting it's not counter immersive it's something it's kind of believable it's it's not diegetic but it is still of a place with with the scene that's depicting as opposed to just hey this is a cool song let's put it in this film about the cartoon didn't know and also um I had to step away for a moment so sorry if I'm retreading old ground but the Tetris theme that is used as the light motif that is spread throughout the movie is really well done yeah there is yeah different moods and such kind of you know the Tetris theme is used to you know it's it's sad and somber here over here it's kind of upbeat and interesting so that was really nice to hear and I think is really clever that they did that and it works really well a lot of the stranger things you feel about some of the soundtrack I think in this it might just be a coincidental sort of use of heavy reliance and synthesizers but I thought yeah the use of the Tetris theme was probably the strongest element of the soundtrack there were bits of the rest of it which I sort of stopped noticing I think the soundtrack isn't as great as perhaps it could have been but it's function it's never worse than functional I suppose which is a good sign the fun ride on an unexpected fun ride on Apple TV which is is anyone subscribed to Apple TV out there I don't know yeah it's like what's that I think Apple are now going to be releasing films theatrically I think Amazon did it too because I believe was Amazon distributed that one because I remember when I was watching it like I had Amazon Studios pop I'm like I don't feel like I've seen that logo ever before so yeah I think Apple TV is now like looking towards theatrical releases which is probably worthwhile to do like I because I don't think because I think Netflix occasionally does theatrical stuff very occasionally it seems like it's just an opportunity to make some money what else can you say that's the current state we are a movie about a video game a movie adapted from a video game and then 65 I don't know how that fits in it doesn't we I don't care about that film no but video games they just seem to be clawing their way further and further into cultural relevance as time goes on and they deserve their due because they've been fucking doing great for ages they have and I mean at this point it's like they make so much money that they can't be ignored right by Hollywood for better or worse because yeah I just wasn't expecting what I got from this there's a straightforward way of putting it and hopefully we get more of these as time goes on just movies we're like oh shit that's good though I mean I feel like you could make you could easily make some biopics on some of the key figures at Nintendo like Miyamoto or Wada and the like I feel like there's plenty of stories there I think I'm pretty sure that there was a I think it was I don't know why I'm forgetting how Harry Potter Daniel Radcliffe right I think he was in a biopic that was about the creators of Grand Theft Auto that came out like some years ago oh I didn't even know that yeah I think it was like on BBC or something I figured that there's plenty of those types of stories to be told about the creation of a lot of these games because there are plenty of interesting stories something to do with the technology you know development rights and stuff like that yeah it's a story to be told well anything else you guys want to say about Tetris how about does it go watch it absolutely that's a big recommendation from me which wraps up our trifecta of talking about new movies that popped out one recommendation one absolutely not recommendation and then one recommendation with the star next to it you have to fulfill the categories in order to have the recommendation apply to you yeah yeah because a star might people might think you're making some kind of a Mario thing maybe I am a star next to it yeah because I still by the way overall agree with a platoon sentiment on his video demand better I agree wish they'd do that for Marvel as well a lot of people are still very happy with those films there really is no reason that the Mario movie couldn't be as good as like the best of Pixar or Dreamworks or Disney you know best of Pixar needs to be said because they're not doing so great lately demand more does not mean that you think the thing is utter garbage it's just that okay you can still enjoy it you can still be okay but it could be so much more than that so even if you kind of liked it if you acknowledge that it could be slightly better even it's worth demanding that you're not allowed to have moderate takes extremely positive or extremely negative I suppose that's an interesting thing about the Mario movie we felt like as you guys just heard that's a pretty middle of the road take wouldn't it like yeah it's the most because I don't see a lot of middle of the road takes on it it seems I'm just like it seems like it's much more well I wouldn't even say divisive I think most people are pretty positive about it it's very easy to like it's very easy to like but will anybody love that's the question in the same way that they love you know classics mm-hmm track at all well yeah you know three months down the road we'll see you know what the discourse is around it if everyone flips for whatever reason well we'll be like what happened mean power and stays alive and is referenced a lot will it be what happened to Sonic 2 where everybody just kind of like moved on and forgot about it did anybody remember Sonic 2 I'm pretty sure none of you guys watched it I didn't see the first one yet yeah because I remember Sonic the Hedgehog and Tails and Knuckles the echidna and he's going to have his own spinoff show on Paramount Plus I'm pretty sure wow wait Paramount Plus great we got to get our subscription for Paramount Plus so we can catch Halo season 2 woohoo there you go it's just interesting because now that Mario's come out and it's kind of like because I'm pretty sure Sonic 2 was the previously like biggest opening for like a video game adaptation one of the most successful ones I think financially but Mario made that money in a week so it'll be interesting to see how that may influence the third one because the impression I get is that they're going to nudge even further towards getting close to being more like the video games that's the era that we're entering into I think and with that are you guys alright with us checking out some of the Superchats we still got a bit of time I think to do so sounds good first one up says a lot of people really hate the new Super Mario Bros series as I kind of feel like they're being unfair to the games the new the new Super Mario Bros I think the reason why is because they're just like you compare like new Super Mario Bros to like Galaxy or Odyssey this is not very interesting by comparison they're good games they're definitely good games but they're not like mind-blowing or anything fair enough Super Hype for the Mario talk lost all interest after the trailer and now everyone except Shad is raving about it big confusion also high rags hello yeah that's the thing it's definitely at this point it's going to be overrated I don't think it can escape that fate because it's so popular but I've seen a couple of people like willing to throw on praise and criticism I think what's happening though is that everyone was surprised by it a lot of people are expecting this to be much worse so it's like benefits immensely from everything around it as opposed to having significant qualities of its own yeah shame about the new probe cat video misleading editing change title description due to backlash apparently deleting comments I hope that's not true but oh not a good luck shame unfortunate don't want to make any claims further than just the screenshot comparison and even that can be done for several reasons so you know I'm not too hopefully it's just a hiccup you know misunderstanding sort of stuff let's move on we'll make a better video about how Resnil 4 Remake is lacking why not let me know how you feel throw commentary on it has he ever done that does he have a voice of any kind I don't think he's ever done commentary the most that you've gotten is a bit of a text on screen to sort of explain things occasionally and that's very rare to those who hate the fact I like this movie you love the minions so why don't you shut up and enjoy the movie instead some twitter user on TLJ do I love the minions I'm trying to think about how many of those are they are they all the one there are I think three despicable main movies and two minions movies well minions and minions the rise of growth I think I've seen Despicable Me 1 and I don't remember being upset by them I thought they were fine I don't know that anybody's going to get really upset about any of those films that's kind of it's kind of like the benefit and the problem with like illumination generally hail long man I was happily surprised by this movie glad to have seen it also hi rags hello a fringo how's the goo I mean I don't know that the goo is like how is it I guess it's just it is it is goo you know behaving yes not causing a ruckus but you said that not me I did just want to make that clear Lou Albano is the one true Mario rip I'm guessing he it was that I don't recognize the name me neither I don't know how that is um telling American professional rest manager an actor who performed under the ring stage name captain Lou Albano who was active as a professional wrestler um oh some images here he looks like Mario maybe played him in something I'm afraid I'm not familiar uh Mario was an interlecutal movie was good rat Bowser had some rhino milk and tries to take the dawn nothing could save the McMuffin the cosmic chicken there's a lot of memes and references in there the point was but I approve very dense I understood those references don't watch this after Mike go see the movie tonight well yeah I mean I guess I don't know is it worth seeing our assessment of it before deciding whether or not you want to see it in terms of like a spoiler at that point but I don't know um I don't think you need to I think as long as you're a sort of a Mario kind of fan or you like Mario I think you'll come away positively from this and probably and you can watch us afterwards talk about it well he played Mario in the Super Mario Bros cartoon show fair enough and uh yeah if you're a Mario fan it's like worth the roll of dice I guess that's probably what I would say it's like you might not like it but you also might uh my gf and I fell asleep to your videos every night thank you for the countless hours of entertainment oh hey you're welcome no problem I'll take it we'll take it hey guys thoughts on Better Call Saul a very well made TV show that uh I think it's actually longer than Breaking Bad in totality right six seasons yeah six seasons wow but season five was split yeah it is more episodes I think um so I think I find interesting about Better Call Saul as of now is that um I don't see it referenced very much and a lot of people I think sing its praises and I'm not sure how many of those very people uh either have seen all of it or I don't know feel very passionate about a lot of what happens in it um because it kind of seems to just have slinked away you know even though it recently ended and it was quite an explosive finale it even adds on to the ending of Breaking Bad that goes further than that show did um but I would recommend it especially for Breaking Bad fans give it a shot it's uh I'd be interested to know what Vince Gilligan's gonna do next I haven't checked his IMD but you know because he figured at this point he's probably done with Breaking Bad right he's spent like I would hope he is well over a decade well over a decade on it yeah I really wonder how they'll make relatively serious franchises like Metroid or Zelda if they're as shallow as Mario I can imagine more discourse then um you've got a lot of room to work with when it comes to like Zelda in particular all you have to have is like a very just generic adventure and then add all the the Zelda stuff in there you know the items and the you know the green tunic and everything interesting and that it's it's a hodge podge doesn't work quite as well you gotta pick something to stick to one of the series Ocarina is a you know Breath of the Wild is moving to the past or Wind Waker you know like what would you it'd probably be like Ocarina would be my guess if they were gonna they were gonna pick one to adapt one of the first ones the classics and as someone just mentioned do you let Link speak uh I you know what I I yeah I'm gonna be I think it might be tough to do a whole Legend of Zelda movie without him talking well my assessment would be that they will definitely make him speak Illumination slash Nintendo in their adaptation but whether or not it's the best decision I'm not sure I don't know I don't know if Illumination do you think Illumination makes a Legend of Zelda film oh I don't know possible it could be that they they could be drawing up I'm curious going so broad as to say like Illumination we we want to buy your studio fully we want to just work non-stop on Nintendo shit and the amount of money involved may not even be a bad idea that would be that'd be a big yeah big check but maybe totally might be worth it I I don't know I don't know if I like Legend of Zelda movie has as many jokes or as that kind of tone I think people I think you could do all kinds of things with it you could but like I'm thinking about what people would expect and want from it I think people would want it to be because there are like there are plenty moments of levity in like Zelda games but there's more of a I guess a heaviness to it dramatic yeah and then everything a more light-hearted but hmm not too serious in either direction maybe it sort of straddles that middle line of what it wants its tone to be doesn't push too far in either direction we have a decent amount of I guess appropriately you know dangerous peril like oh no a lava pit but I grabbed the ledge so I'm okay like almost like Mario level but a little bit more I would say I get the impression that people want it to be pushed a lot more than that I think I think that people would want it to be more dramatic like quite dramatic that did come through in the comments under my video as well which is that even people who like the Mario film said no this is fine for a Mario film but what I won't be happy with is if they do it to Zelda I would get something more from that yeah I can I can see the argument yeah I mean well I think there should have been more to Mario but yeah definitely with something like Zelda if it's just a kind of a lighthearted caper through a reference gallery then people might get a bit kind of tired of that I think people have higher expectations for Zelda Metroid if they ever Metroid in particular people would have high expectations for that and even like Star Fox people would probably want it to be more dramatic yeah so it would be interesting to see how they tackle those sorts of challenges but I mean yeah Star Fox is pretty ripe because it's got a lot of it's got a lot of beats that you can just keep one for one and translate over and expand on like the whole thing with James and what happened to him as like a driving force anyone who says that feathered dinosaurs can't be cool or intimidating are fools who haven't seen the Euteranus look it up it's rad 65s dinos bad they were pretty generic and lame the ones in 65 and they're like they weren't even supposed to be there's a couple of ones that were quite clearly identifiable the raptors I think being obviously of their proper size as well and like Jurassic parks which like bigger than they should be but I thought from about half way through they sort of given up on creature design completely and it's just like well we've got a T-Rex head asset which we can stick on I don't know a big four legged vague animal looking thing and that's a dinosaur now yeah no there was nothing of I'm waiting for the film that can one day do justice to dinosaurs after 93 maybe 65 another stinker this has probably been asked before but would you ever have Thor Skywalker on sure I don't see why not I think he's a commentator for stars and media stuff yeah to be honest I don't like Bowser's song not for the song but it felt it took the chance to have it felt it took the chance to have the character Bowser was disappointing to be honest oh you think he was just pointing I think I can understand people wanting him to be more maybe more consistently aggressive and intimidating and wiping out the lovey-dovey aspect entirely but I mean it feels weird being someone who's played through campaigns where he is that just being like you didn't want I quite like Bowser's design it was something we got to talk about really it was just like the fucking design of the characters from Nintendo translating over easily to an animated world because of course they're just very refined looks at this point and the distinctive silhouettes Mario, Luigi, Paige, Bowser like everybody's got they're all they're not to be confused with the other they're all very distinct maybe I can understand people wanting more of a just Bowser fiery punchy, angry his motivation is just to take over the world I could see people wanting that different approaches with the different Bowser's I find that interesting though now I could be wrong but I thought everybody really liked the whole Bowser having a wedding in Odyssey I thought everybody found that really entertaining I really liked it Bowser there in his stylish tuxedo having a wedding on the moon with his big I love that, that's cool hey, if they adapt Sunshine in any way shape or form they better bring in his bathtub I'll be upset each old rubby ducky situation what was the name of the toad in that one what was it, damn it was it Professor Toad something? Oh the old toad dude he's in more than just that though right or was that his introduction? I feel like he doesn't show up anymore is essentially the main defined character toad that you see I like the old toad dude toad's worth toad's worth of course who wins opening weekend dune 2 or the marvels gotta be dune 2 right? dune 2 right? probably I know that not the whole will goes to see dune 2 but no way the marvels beats it out no opening weekend week I think they are good god, dune you have one job okay and it's to murder the marvels that's what you've got to do that's very brave it'll be interesting with dune because I really I liked part 1, I've read most of the books obviously there are changes but they don't really I can see harm the narrative going forward but I'm not sure how well dune 1 has kind of stuck in people's collective consciousness I don't want to talk about it or about the upcoming second part from what I see maybe I'm just missing it but I haven't seen a huge amount of sort of hyper expectation I think it has a little bit of that almost like avatar in a way but maybe it's a lesser of a degree a big theatre experience is what the first film was it's like a huge spectacle that was made for the big screen that might be that might be a big driving force behind it I'm not sure oh actually little platoon how much money do you think the marbles is going to make I think it won't make a billion I think that's quite safe to say but it hadn't man make in the end at man made I believe just shy of 500 million it's under the last wish which is so fucking cool it is under the last wish I could see it doing something similar to that maybe slightly less given that there's not really any recognizable likeable character in it so I think mine was 500 I think it's going to be 500 million and I think mohler and rags you're at like 350 something like that 350 400 I thought you said it's higher than 500 I'm pretty sure it's 500 500 million is where I think I'm out on that one because mine on Real BBC was that but I remember you going like 700 something I'm doing maybe maybe a while ago but we talked about it recently on like one of my streams I think I'm like 500 I think I'll go a little higher and say like 380 but something in me is like I just don't know about this one I mean there's no shazam man man man shazam man oh yeah and of course shazam ending it's well I don't know if it's ended this run yet but I think it's it's going to be about 130 million on like 120 million dollar production budget and probably a decent marketing campaign it is the lowest grossing DC EU film I'm pretty sure the only DC film that would have made less money was like Catwoman Halle Berry Catwoman back in 2004 so funny like you don't want to be compared to that even though it's probably better than it probably is like that's that's what it's just where we're at now right where it's like old bad movies yeah I will at least break time and space right yeah birds of prey no birds of prey was about 200 million so uh yeah shazam is down there right at the bottom I'm probably not going to be seeing shazam 3 or even that character for a long time would be my guess if you've seen it thoughts on Darth Maul's death scene in Rebels thought it was the best scene of the whole show up to that point I've seen it out of context I thought it was pretty neat yeah it seems uh it seems neater than what I would expect from that show based on everything that I've heard yeah it's like remarkably restrained for something that was created by Dave Filoni oh we got so much more to come from him too it'd be great yeah glad to catch y'all live have you set up a PO box yet my kid wants to send you something he's made y'all that is adorable to know um no I don't think we've got that in any way set up but it's definitely on the to-do list um yeah I actually I had one I need to double check and make sure that it's still active I'll probably go and do that well today yeah I'll probably do that on uh Monday go in and take a look I need to sort of make sure I've got one up and set up and active would illumination be tied to every future Nintendo film I'm not sure they can handle more serious titles or if the animation should stay consistent so like I said I I believe that uh there is there's like a Disney not Disney I'm thinking of Disneyland because Universal's got like a like a theme park and I believe that there is a Nintendo theme park like there and I'm pretty sure that collaboration was what essentially got this started of the collaboration between Nintendo and illumination so my guess is that Universal is going to want to pounce on this and like fully get their hands on like as much Nintendo stuff as possible and it's worth remembering that DreamWorks is owned by Universal and DreamWorks have done licensed films before like I think they did the Peanuts one Captain Underpants and stuff like that so like it wouldn't um it wouldn't surprise me if that's a possibility that DreamWorks might be making a Nintendo film that is some of the more interesting stuff that goes on in the background in that you know Universal it has the Super Mario land anyway but it's also I believe making substantial investments in its theme park um and it's also got Harry Potter and of course Harry Potter is coming back on HBO um at the same time as Disney as you know its theme parks haven't recovered from coronavirus it's locked in this unending battle with Ronda Sanders it's not doing particularly well as a company financially um so Universal sort of capitalizing on Disney's travails would be absolutely looking to push out as much Nintendo product as possible certainly now that this film has proven to be a huge success um because it triggers investment in every other area of the company including and particularly its theme parks and I think um it's you know Nintendo looks at this film and like oh Universal like you made the Mario movie and it made a lot of money let's make more movies I could easily just see them go like well might as well stick with them you know they did well for us once let's uh give them another try rather than I guess gone for anybody else and I'm I'm even short because um I remember this I now I don't know if this is true or not but people in chat might know I believe that Microsoft went to Nintendo to offer to acquire them and they laughed at them um like when they were creating the xbox um I don't believe like Nintendo is ever like the kind of company that would be getting acquired by one of these like big uh like studios so I imagine it would always remain like a collaborative thing which means that I imagine Nintendo retains a lot of leverage over these sorts of projects which feels like a good sign right of like collaboration rather than one company owning it and then basically getting to do whatever they want because we kind of saw what happened with uh Marvel under Disney mm-hmm so if you know that's what we just have to see out all pans out 65 but that says it will be interesting to see how it all turns out what happens next 65 was mid probably a three to four which is a surprise from two of the three writers from a quiet place really says something about that third writer john also high rags hello um I'd be willing to go no further higher than three for a what brings it higher than a three what element of the movie is in any way is something you know I just feel it it feels that pretty much everything it's trying to do and it's ultimately so simplistic that it doesn't get any credit for trying to do anything grandiose yeah like to fail at something that simple is really bad compared to something that's really high scope or symptomatically could have been incredible you know and it's like damn oh well I guess you know yeah like you tried you know like you tried and failed compared to having something that was not very interesting to begin with and then not succeeding I'd commission a fringy video on shovel night I feel like I get the impression that a lot of what's to be said about shovel night would have been said already I do love that game um shovel night is cool have any of you played it yeah I have not I've heard you many many good things about it yeah I'd recommend it's really cool eight bit inspired uh platformer um with a fun assortment of characters awesome music I really like the music in shovel night but found out today that I live on the same street as wings of redemption when I ran into a gas station nearby really weird to see a my rl yeah wow that is very strange you live in a very uh quite the club not a lot of people on uh yeah wow do not abuse that don't go but do not bug him or anything but that's interesting to think about but he's he's out there he willing not walks but like he is among he lives among us uh crow cat lied about the remake in his video for some reason and is trying to cover his ass by acting like being tongue in cheek about it will recover this it won't uh I wouldn't say lie is disingenuous is where I'd rather go in terms of the choices eclipse he played and what he did um and it can happen so easily when you have a particular mode of thinking I just give some benefit of the doubt I guess is all I'm saying the guy's done great work that is very honest as well so yeah you know a lot of stuff is really really good can be seen as a miss and uh see what else he says I don't know if he has like social media or anything but a little bit unfortunate um alas you sexy man I can't stay but have a couple bob from me and well earned it is also high rags hello thank you very much yeah thank you pilgrim e-fap really expected on that front probably not have you seen it rags no I know the myself and ringing have but I've never thought about it in like a way of like what a great movie that needs coverage sort of thing it's more so a curiosity to me an interesting film not much interest in Scott pilgrim as an IP either yeah I'm reading the graphic novel I'm interested in checking it out but I mean the fact I haven't gotten around to it in like over a decade probably I'll all great to see platoon again hello e um SF6 is in RE engine meaning Chun Lee mods but well yeah go for it I guess modding community is alive and well all kinds Bowser just needs to go to toad to poke him I don't think I'm not entirely sure again are they poisonous or something go to toad to poke him yeah I don't know what that's about a crew today was my last day working at my first job and I wanted to thank you for helping me get through my shifts for the past three years appreciate you all massively and don't bless I guess I'm assuming that's like because you're moving on to a different job which awesome good luck best luck glad to provide any and all entertainment in any way hello my fellow Ewoks through the power of autism and boredom I went from episode one to two to seven may the dawn help you digest your small person McDonald's meals also organized chaos is a mega troglodyte all right um it's also a reference mega troglodyte the McDonald's thing again the other day still you read it again the tweet about this wall about for it's just like how how did you say that crow cat didn't do a video about the last of his PC port pretty sus that's a bit strange well I mean he could be busy I guess maybe didn't play it yeah I don't think it says anything necessarily just the reason I'm saying that's pretty strange is because such an easy dunk I guess in terms of a car comparison yeah and an easy way to be like this is fucked up stop I thought we were past you know treating PC like it's worthless and not porting properly but I guess not how do you all still play and catch up so currently on e-fap 76 how in a blast rags more how was free on epic games I played it I suck at it lol also high rags hello yeah it's a tough game to get into there's a lot of mechanics and they work really well together and it's super tight but uh yeah it's you got to kind of learn that game but once you do it becomes very very very satisfying to be well at it um anyway god bless y'all if I may may I recommend the YouTube video why the Mandalorian season 3 I actually the best season yet by siege of clones it's an experience best season huh damn I'm assuming that was a joke video right there's no you can't make a serious case for that that's impossible oh no it was uploaded yesterday not April fools well who knows could still be a pair it's real Grace Randolph said she loves illumination and that Mary was the only bad film they've ever made due to Nintendo's involvement the woman is a vegetable what did you say that but barely I need to I've said so many quotes from her that I need to go check out how many like she got one video about it or several we need to do a great we need to do like Grace Randolph versus like AI generated request something like that the only good the only bad illumination the only bad illumination one and it's Nintendo's fault no way they actually said that right we all I'll go look into that and see if it's if she's actually said all this crazy shit it's like I don't know there's a strategy FPS game called hold fast they modded a server where you can play as an Aussie in the other team of emus it was horrific experience oh no hopefully fun though I really hope they take Nintendo franchises seriously after this fox in space a great example of how these stories could be I don't know that we would ever get a starfox adaptation that is in that my guess is that if they if they did a starfox thing would be like the the animated short film that they did to a company starfox 0 um it would be like that kind of vibe which I'd be okay with um yeah I don't think they'd ever adapt it like fox in space but hey at least we have a fox in space right oh yeah what video game do you want to see a movie adaptation of and who do you want to direct um I want to see bio shock in the form of a TV show or a movie as for who should direct that's very complicated I wouldn't mind giving it to Mike Flanagan yeah he wants to do it so yeah either him or the the andor crew could probably do a pretty good what do you think about when in tarantino doing dead space um I don't know what I think about that I'm not sure that's Harry I like when in tarantino doing a grand theft auto film yeah but when it comes to dead space I don't know I just don't see that you know like gelling with him that it would it would certainly create something but I don't know how I feel about that um no not Zack Snyder no no no no no not letting him near anything that we care about no no no no no I'm just trying to think about like what I would um empty to give him a chance to do a metal gear film just because he's wanted to do that clearly for such a long time like get him to actually direct like a film permanent frustration at not actually being a film director and give him metal gear solid that that that I would probably watch that that'd be interesting um I'm trying to think about I mean I do like the idea of a metroid film I like that idea a lot um I think I'd want that to be animated though as well I like I'm really I'm really fine with those sorts of uh like adapting these things as animation I think I would have preferred Halo wow I would have preferred Halo if it was good but it's an animated series that could be neat hmm I actually I like the idea of an infamous film um that could be neat I don't know who I'd want to direct it though you'd like Planet of the Apes but with Pikmin that's an idea yeah all of my lands on maybe actually blew it up with like I don't know what would be what would be a figure of his culture I don't know that much about Pikmin I feel like a Pikmin film could be really interesting and experimental the potential is limitless for them but we'll have to see just how limited it becomes Pikmin by like an admin adaptation that's the one thing of the few things I'm interested in in Star Wars is their visions short that they're doing for uh with admin that could be cool well yeah good selection I think yo yo yo love the coverage what do you all think of the Back to the Future trilogy well I would I remember liking it but I haven't seen it in a long time so I would need to see it again before I make really any statements that's pretty sure I might actually it's been a long time since I've rewatched that but always remember loving it it's been a while since I watched two and three I'm pretty sure I watched the first one more recently but that's still years ago so that'll be worth rewatching they're gonna remake it at some point I've never really stuck in my mind in the way that it does seem to for so many people I've watched all of them I think they never really did anything for me but I don't think I was probably like six when I watched them so I need to re-see them listening to Evat whilst running has increased my long powers used to be wiped running 5k in 30 minutes now I can comfortably do 6k in 25 cheers lads that's all you I'd say but hey good job sir lad we can be of company while you're doing it Ray is back Ahsoka is back Jedi boredom I I mean order is back Star Wars is back baby very proud to be a Star Wars fan also Fringy Cod 4 versus remake oh like originally 4 over modern warfare I yeah I like Call of Duty 4 more than modern warfare but I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the reboot but yeah I prefer Call of Duty 4 that's for them all being back and Star Wars is saved yeah have fun we'll keep an eye on it don't worry question for all if you were to encounter an adult who'd never played a video game before that came to you wanting to play one what would you recommend uh Tetris Super Mario World or Super Mario 64 maybe to introduce into like 3D games uh exactly kind of think something simple and introduces them to the idea maybe if you only had one something that could achieve that and then the more complicated side maybe Minecraft Minecraft is a really good one to introduce them to I'm thinking about like Metroid Prime is a really good choice to introduce somebody to video games one of the things though that I think this should be kept in mind is someone who's never played a video game I think they might have a lot of um the like the first time you ever play like a first person shooter where you're moving with one essentially hand and you're looking run with the other and operating in a three-dimensional space that might cause it's odd it's like I'm trying to imagine myself as a completely different person but that might be really difficult for someone to do as their first experience cause I know that I've given like like adults if they've been around like adults who've tried to play like a video game like Call of Duty or something and they just they it really is difficult for them to grasp like oh this thumb stick moves the character in the space and then the other one looks around and changes where you're looking and that's tied on you know where your character is and it's like a really difficult thing for them to sort of get so starting them some with something very simple like um like a two platformer yeah two platformer like Mario Party or something cause it's got such as a wide variety of incredibly simplistic mechanics that you getting kind of you're touching based on a lot of different things maybe um I wonder if you want to give them a decent amount of time with something slower paced that they can work with to get you know so that they can remember somebody hasn't played you know any games like that this element of you have all these buttons and they correspond to something happening on a screen so giving them like Mario as a platformer and saying alright you can have all this time to move left and right and you can see what the jump does and you can acclimate yourself to this very consistent thing instead of a new game and then by the time they're like trying to grasp the game and the controls and making things happen it's a new game and I have to do another new game and it's all different set of rules Pong yeah like Pong Tetris like maybe Super Mario stuff like that or something you know like a fighting game one on one sort of thing that might be worthwhile too fuck it give them doxels yeah get them right a racing game might be pretty good like a sort of simple racing game where it's very clear what you're trying to do press this to go forward it's really only left and right you know move left avoid the obstacles pretty simple kind of stuff civilization maybe if you want to if somebody's like no I know something else you know like I know what a platformer is like yeah let's turn based game that might not be a bad idea because they have all the time in the world it's not based off of like your ability to like hand-eye coordination which they'll pick up over time but you know click this to do the yeah like you know anyone can play like Solitaire on a computer you know that's super easy to get because you're just clicking on icons essentially moving cards around and it's a rule set that you already understand but yeah I think a lot of it is getting people used to the idea of moving around a character especially if it's in first person looking around moving around it can be very strange maybe a bit daunting but first it's hard to imagine it because I'm so used to it what it must be for someone who's never done that before in their life the first Star Wars movie was also quite simple very easy to follow along as a storyline yeah you can sum it up pretty quickly simple stories can be overlooked sometimes when people are prepping to release something it's like gotta have more things in it it's going pretty tiring for Marvel right like some of the most insane and complicated plotlines going but you might be better off just making things a little more simple I would absolutely adore any fat movies on the original Super Mario Brothers movie probably already requested but worth stating anyway that'll be on the way yeah I'm interested in seeing it because I've heard of it but I've never seen it I've seen like screenshots but I can't imagine that movie in motion yeah I've been interested to check out little platoons omnipresence continues to impress thank you I guess yes sorry I'm actually half present today just because last night was not expecting to be up until 6 o'clock this morning but this has been a really nice way to sort of recover from the hangover nice and chill I do cross paths with you decent amount double because of open bar and stuff have they dragged you on there they have not I don't think no only a matter of time always available if I remember correctly Miyamoto has considered Mario's story elements to be secondary for a while so it's possible they didn't get much pushback from him on playing it safe with the narrative I guess they mean secondary to mechanics but that's the thing there aren't mechanics in the film you know game mechanics so imagine that Miyamoto might have been talking to them about trying to capture almost an amount of game feel through the animation I could see that for sure like in terms of timing and framing, pacing, animations I did hear quite a lot of people saying that the story's sort of very very simplistic structure is it could well be because of him apparently Miyamoto has a reputation for not liking or for discouraging extensive plot and video games I don't know enough about him to know whether that's true or not I think Miyamoto as I understand it Miyamoto his perspective on what should be in Mario and stuff can differ depending on what it is I believe because like I said I think Paper Mario Thousand Year Door is one of the games that gets highlighted of like wow there's like actually a pretty good story in this game and then for whatever reason when Paper Mario kept going stories started to push to the side more in favor of like leaning into it being a Paper Mario thing of like what like stickers and coloring in and like cardboard cutouts and stuff like that like that gimmick and I believe it was because of like Miyamoto's perspectives and stuff on like narrative in Mario or that maybe like the Mario and Luigi games kind of like lean into narrative and comedy so like it shouldn't be as much for mainline games I'm not sure the impression I get with the mainline Mario's is they need to be like really approachable and that in his view approachable means like the story is really easy to grasp very quickly but not particularly like involved in and detailed it's just a hook to get you to you know start playing the game but I'm not sure I don't know I'm not sure what he would have thought in a lot of ways on this film I really like Peach in this movie not like the game but she gets yeeted into the stairs and loses her power up same as the boys she's valid also hi doggy hello yeah I don't know I thought she was like the weakest one definitely yeah definitely the weakest was that one about Peach yeah they said they like that she lost her powers the same way as everyone else does in terms of like mechanics yeah I mean I think like Peach is an active participant in the story I like that everybody works together and that everybody has contributions to make and you know like the battle like you know like they don't succeed without Peach they don't succeed without Donkey Kong they don't succeed without Mario or Luigi like everybody's active and working together and part of it I just think that even even for as I even for as I guess not super developed and fleshed out as all the characters are I felt like she had the least going for in terms of an arc she's pretty static which isn't a problem um but yeah what we had wasn't very interesting yeah it's just Mario was determined so was Peach it's like but Mario was also some other things too it's like yeah I feel like we just need a little bit more for Peach I don't know how much this is true but what if it's like a safe proof of concept thing to see if it works and then they expand on it with more movies or something also hi rex hello see it could be that this was like they get this done and then they're like all right now we can expand and yeah this could be this movie we see have to wait and find out not an ounce of her cute bubbliness just another generic female character um find to agree that she's generic there are aspects of it like like I like that they have the she uses her dress to like glide down after she beats the other level that's like a very quintessentially like Peach move um but yeah I think I think I would have preferred if they played up uh they played up more of that aspect of her character um yeah there was a missed opportunity to frame Peach as a sheltered pampered princess who has no confidence or experience with warfare it would have made her turning to Mario and the Kongs make more sense I think there's an angle just to go with the whole like she's in way over her head when her role actually has to be the role instead of it being for fun and that was the angle you could have gone with the you know princess just telling a basic story I mean it was kind of critical of Dungeons & Dragons when it came out for being very safe but it was it did some things quite well and it gave a sort of a mini three-act structure to each one of its individual sort of core cast of characters so it wasn't just you have the main character who has the three-act arc and everyone else sort of helps them along with that every single one of them had sort of set up set down pay off at the end and it's it's simple simple stuff but it did actually it improved the film I think from what could otherwise have been an incredibly generic fantasy blockbuster it was simply slightly less generic as a fantasy blockbuster with with Mario it would have been nice to see something more like that I think you can give Peach some sort of three-act structure within the broader three-act structure of the thing to actually give her a fleshed out character who suffers significant setbacks which can parallel mario's in some way it would just make the film feel fuller than it does I think and slightly more memorable and there's more reason to invest in Peach as a character as opposed to Peach's plot function having not seen Mario yet I will ask if this turns out to set up a deeper and more complex sequel now that this one has gotten its foot in the door with a safe simple story would your opinion of Mario one improve thereafter no it would not it would just yeah I just wouldn't change our opinion of it if they bounced off the first movie really well made a sequel that we all consider great and they used everything in the first one it wouldn't make the first one better either good job they set up the whole Peach back story thing but we haven't really done anything with it yet I'm wondering if that's like a thing that they're leaving because they want to do it in the sequel probably that'd be my guess yeah but but what might I get the impression that she actually won't be from Earth it'll be like somewhere else because that's like that seems like the obvious choice maybe it'll have something to do with like I don't know some other some other realm or land she doesn't she about there being loads of like a vast lots of galaxies that's where it's like hmm are we gonna try and tie that into like Super Mario Galaxy because I could see them having Rosalina sharp and the next one I don't know if they're going to have Daisy sharp I actually think they just go to Rosalina maybe maybe because it almost feels like Peach is kind of encroaching a little bit on a on Daisy sort of a territory the Eiffel panel the Eiffel panel is wrong on this one the story is focused on the Mario Bros weird that you would start with that we're wrong on something and then repeat something we've said yeah in fact that was like one of the big things we complimented gonna be honest a little lost on you there because that's something that we think but very well I wish this movie had Black Panther Wakanda Forever runtime or somewhere close to that I feel as though there were some scenes missing like Donkey Kong and his father's relationship DK's father thinks all his son can do is smash things I'd love to see a DK flashback of that I'm not actually against that for once I think that if we had more scenes to flash out more stuff with more characters like that Luigi Toad theoretical scene or more with DK and his dad or more with even Peach yeah I actually think it's rare because I'm so fucking happy for movies to be shorter these days but it's like you know what we squeeze a bit more in there maybe yeah actually I think a lot of animated films like family oriented animated films end up being about 90 minutes so they probably never even thought about pushing it to be a bit longer than that there's some simple little connective stuff you could have without really boosting the film to run time like significantly I think one of the things that I noted was that so you know Bowser is always given sort of very convenient plot relevant information and precisely the moment the film needs him to do the next thing but it's never really established how Bowser's getting all of this information about Peach's plans about where they're going like a simple little connecting thing with a little what's the little guy who dangles the camera from his cloud in Mario 64 Lakitu acting as some kind of spy and then it's just like one connecting scene he's watching them go down the rainbow road he reports back to Bowser and you know exactly what's happened just then but it's a little thing but it might have been nice to see a reference that's actually useful as opposed to just a reference existing for the sake of referencing the Lakitu was a lad though so you can be a lad on a spy remember the blue shell is a suicide bomber yeah pretty much I don't think he made it well maybe he did I don't know now that the doors are open I'm hoping for a James Gunn style starfox any thoughts and experience with starfox? high rags and malls hello my experience with starfox is starfox 64 starfox assault and that's it I've played bits of a lot of them and then a lot of like the smash crossovers and stuff with him and him he's always been pretty cool for me it was 64 mainly 64 and then I also played starfox 0 and I like starfox I would like for more starfox stuff in general I would like for new games and I think that's like it's probably one of nintendo's better things to translate to film um yeah I really like starfox conceptually alrighty and yeah James Gunn doing a starfox I think I could work why not it could be fun mario hating mushrooms is kind of meta funny too since the sonic movies make fun of mushrooms kingdom hearts cinematic universe let's go to the olympics let me make that movie special olympics can't believe they chris chan bowser at the end he'll be back drink him did chris chan get shrinked oh hey thoughts on ratatouille rags go I love ratatouille why rags specifically did he recently watch it rewatch it he's always sung the praises of ratatouille I really really like ratatouille I think it's a great story about you know cooperating with other people and following your dreams it's got great music it's got a wonderful ending and of course it's got wonderful animation to it as well I like to cast characters and it's funny and yeah I really dig ratatouille I haven't seen it a long time though so I should probably refresh myself it is one of pixar's best films that's our brad bird again delivered a classic and then I don't know he hasn't made much interesting stuff lately unfortunately so that gets me a bit sad because he did mention impossible for ghost protocol I remember enjoying that but I haven't seen that since it came out I think and then it was I think it was something called tomorrow land that didn't do very well and then Incredibles 2 so huh absolutely unrelated to mario but have any of you massives watched successions beginning a ton of praise as of late I kinda wanna because of what everyone's been saying about curious yeah I've heard good things but I don't know anything about it really apparently the recent episode that you were talking about that everybody's writhing about is like the second episode of tv to get a 10 on imdb the only other one is ozzymandis that's why I want to see this show because I'm like what's everyone talking about I don't know I want in on it have you guys considered having yatsi from zp on for game discussions re4 remake would have been a cool opportunity also crowcats re4 video was bad it was as for yatsi we'd happily have him on whenever he wants I don't think he does podcasts though probably not but hey doors open yeah that's right the invitation is there we'd love to pick your brain have you seen the pikmin shorts that nintendo made they're a fun little watch haven't I think I have I remember Nintendo made these little stop motion shorts for yatsi's woolly world they were great did you guys recognize that bowser's peaches song was a riff on jack black's song I heard gary say that as well I don't know as someone who's hit a shit ton of jack black songs it just sounds like it fits in with a lot of them rather than being a riff on specifically fuck it gently but if it is because I don't feel the matching more so than a lot of different songs that he's sung that's hilarious but in any case I just enjoy hearing him sing because he's fun he's a fun dude tenacious d is underrated go check out pick a destiny okay everybody it's a fun movie wherever I clear a theater someone hums a mario tune it's catchier than the pop songs to the audiences I would have thought so do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do you now remember pokemon detective pikachu the movie well I don't remember it I haven't seen it I haven't seen it either ryan reynolds is detective pikachu I'm pretty sure the detective pikachu has like more of a gruff kind of grizzly voice but they're like hey ryan reynolds can you be ryan reynolds but pikachu that's my guess to the general tone of that film how did that one do that one because it completely passed me by I remember seeing it when it was I remember seeing the adverts room when it came out and thinking if I have time I'll get around to it and just never did I assume it didn't do like incredibly well because it's not still the forefront of people's minds was it any good it had a budget of 150 million so on cheap and it made 433 million second highest grossing video game adaptation behind warcraft but I don't know I don't think I've seen anybody talk about that film I don't think it made much of an impression people getting upset and triggered about 4 grown men doing a detailed critical breakdown of a kids movie are entirely missing out on the fact that 4 grown men doing a detailed critical breakdown of a kids movie is hilarious comedy gold keep it up alright then why not if you can get anything out of it enjoy it I just happen to find storytelling interesting on all forms probably get a bit weird if we were to review like telly tubby stories but I'm sure there's some fun to be garnered from that too I'd imagine some of the best films with the best stories are not specifically kids films but they are family films there's a reason we remember all of these there's a reason that they are memorable and a whole host of other kids films are not and that's because there's a qualitative difference between something like up or something like Incredibles and something like I don't know any given generic kids film that's left absolutely no impression on anyone ever and it's interesting to find out what the difference is and why one is remembered and one is not Hey Mabel Frong and Midget Platoon did you see EFAP getting mentioned on Tim cast IRL where Destiny called it every frame of painting wait really you sure he wasn't talking about the actual channel every frame of painting because it's so funny how that happened with the Assad as well mixing those up man I do love that it was just like oh EFAP talked about you and then he was immediately like fuck those guys it's like you don't even know if it was positive or negative it was negative but you didn't know you didn't know yeah we could have promoted him could have worked out I don't know I think I've seen that so I have to check it out and I'm assuming this is more recent time with I think he went on that recently he would have said hi back he's currently on the phone but a different phone not this phone it's too bad that it's not Nintendo and Dreamworks hey man it's not too late for that that might happen at some point will you masses be checking out the system shock remake the progenitor of all the shocks might be neat high rags I'll probably check out the system shock remake but I'd be very tempted to go back and see if I can get through a playthrough of like the originals they might be they might have aged out of my preferences though I'm not sure Riot CEO says he recently saw arcane season 2 episode 3 by the way oh boy they're making progress they're getting there if that means they're 3 out of 9 or whatever done just like whatever it takes guys whatever it takes I mean my guess would be that they are they are working on all of the episodes concurrently probably it's just strange to say that he's seen specifically episode 3 I guess is episode 3 wrapped up maybe further along on the production timeline perhaps the fallout series will probably be bad Bethesda can't even keep the lore consistent in between games watch Kratosis video on it for more context I think it's safe to say any will probably be bad but that we can have pleasant surprises here and there depending on who's in production who writes, who directs, who stars, who cares is the main thing yeah don't get your hopes high based on the reality of the situation as in like this thing is getting adaptation it's like mhmm a lot of fans for Star Wars are super excited about Thrawn getting his mentions and it's just like why guys I don't know why there was a time when that might have been exciting and now it kind of fills you with dread so the parts where Adam Driver pulls his something it's just starred out and argues with it are pretty intense and Oscar with the IMO I agree pulls his wad out and argues with it it starts like it's four letters whatever it is awesomely dick could be something else I don't remember that scene but I'll take it away you might have not seen the seen version the director's cut do you have a favourite romance relationship project for class mhmm well to cite a classic I love the Hanan layer in Empire it comes across as super fucking realistic and natural there's a couple in the Buffyverse I would probably cite as favourites favourite romance relationship what else we got I'm going to think of all the different one famous romance or relationship favourite romantic relationship from I guess media mhmm so was it Attica the bad bay hahahaha who gets me mhmm mhmm got romance it's got to be Elrond and Galadriel from Rings of Power right mhmm no maybe not Elrond and Jiren from Rings of Power oh boy gosh I it's weird that I'm drawing a blank because I've seen a million of them but I'm just trying to think of ones that like stick with me because I'm not a big like romance guy mhmm someone else can give their suggestion while I'm thinking I guess well I threw in Hanan layer and I think Fringy mentioned Blymana I think yes that's a really strong one there's a couple I want to be vague on from the Buffyverse but if you're familiar with that show then you'll know there's like 17 in that show so you might not know which ones I'm referring to but that's fine um Elrond is Sparkly Vampire of course so yeah what about you Platoon you got any I'm struggling with this one a lot because I know they're awesome but nothing is coming to mind which is really annoying yeah I'm just not I don't know something about it just doesn't stick with me a lot of good romances I could name like a Gajillion but I'm trying to think of ones that are like oh yeah of course this one really is it's you know it's really meaningful for me and I love it so much that's of like a romantic connection um um I am drawn a total blank here I feel like I should have an answer for this but I just don't in books there's a left field suggestion Alexander and Hefeistian in Mary Reynolds historical trilogy is pretty sensitively done and quite good um I don't even know why the hell that one came to mind first but that's a yeah that's the only one the only one that came to mind it was a barbier gondor um well hopefully hopefully there are only a couple examples of the projects uh high rags hello there was another two high rags that came in while you were both of you sorry I missed it no problem uh they said I need a hero oh um I don't need any more because we've got quite a few got plenty that day uh at least M Knight had the balls to wait to reveal the planet was earth and after earth just seems like the thing to do I know but then it's alright yeah I'm more surprised if it isn't earth but then to also do the whole like 65 billion years ago he landed on earth like the planet earth where you are right now uh thoughts on the last of us two being split into two seasons said by druckman high rags hut cream oh hi um I don't know what to make of it I I mean it's interesting but I guess there's either a lot of stuff that they want to do or a lot of stuff they're trying to set up so that maybe the stuff in the game works better the longer game and strict like time like yeah sure I guess it makes sense you're gonna do two seasons but you know like I got nothing to say about that until I see it earth I don't have high hopes yeah I just don't know is there any way that they can do what the game did but salvage it so people don't hate it not impossible but you have to change so much that I just don't think they'll do it for the point where it's like yeah um the amount of work and restructuring that you have to do if you really want that ending to be the thing that you do yeah if we broaden it out to Abby kills Joel and is sympathetic by the end it's like you can do that but you can't do it the way you do people are already super primed against that even just conceptually yeah they've already wasted their shot once and so now people are gonna hate it no matter what like they're in bad position definitely don't have her say you don't get to rush this as she beats him to death that would be that would be a bad idea can he spell on his corpse please uh no um yeah damn like I was about to say like you got it because I was just thinking about how bad the dialogue is in that game um that might be one of the few cases where I felt that the swearing was actually excessive everybody swore all the time and it felt like I asked mature isn't it character swearing yeah super mature game that's something I'm 50-50 on and even the first last of us um Ellie swears a lot does she yeah it's just fuck a lot huh yeah like I said I'm of two minds about it I'm not sure how I feel um whoo TLP he needs to come on more well I mean if he wants to anytime you like depends how much shit there there is that comes out all good things we can talk about good things we've talked about good things some things are good sometimes um I want Zach Hadel to guest on best of the worst so bad cool I like any guests that come on there that are different fun someone give us a little bravo emote oh bravo thank you Super Mario movie is an isekai what's that again isekai isekai I think means you get transported to like some crazy world like that's what it is it's a bit of that Assassin's Creed show each season a different ancestor I mean that would be cool but I don't know if they're even going to try with Assassin's Creed because they did that film right with Michael Fassbender that nobody watched I did watch it and then probably forgot everything about it I haven't seen it um I never got around to it I think that was it I think that film came out when I was like hyper apathetic towards Assassin's Creed like it had just totally diminished to the point where I'm like I don't care anymore but I wonder if they'll give it a try because Ubisoft certainly uh that's like one of their few remaining like franchises that they can reliably make money off of right now mm-hmm what's the last Ubisoft game that any of you guys played Oh Fringy you can't be asking us these incredibly difficult questions legitimately right um I don't know it might unironically be Assassin's Creed Origins list of Ubisoft games I think the last one I played was Odyssey same I think it might have been a Rayman game for me oh that Rayman Legends came out in 2012 that might be it that's what I'm saying what you didn't play Far Cry 3 nope oh the Far Cry games those are Ubisoft aren't they um Far Cry the last one I played was game that's 2019 I think I think so I'm looking through because I didn't play Six Rayman Marion and uh Rabbids Mola there you go that's the recent one uh bup bup bup bup Tom Clancy's The Division Resurgence uh yeah a lot of these are just Trackmania Skull and Bones Rocksmith 2 Mighty Quest 2 Avatar Frontiers of Pandora that's not out yet that's upcoming uh yeah I think it's Far Cry New Dawn yeah see I feel like I feel like a lot of people are in the same boat where it's like what's the last Ubisoft game you play it's like except for Rainbow Six a lot of people still play that but like otherwise yeah I don't know they play Siege I think Siege is pretty popular but I think what they're trying to do is trying to get that for all it's worth because they might not have I'm pretty sure Ubisoft is legit in financial trouble I think so yeah that pops up in the news a while back they might legitimately have some issues I think it was something that they got in trouble for because they sent like an open letter to employees about how they needed to like step up or something because Ubisoft was in a difficult position um I mean it makes sense right I feel like you don't hear about Ubisoft games much lately I don't know the last time you did Ubisoft in the news it's never anything good it's not because they're doing great well NFTs right have you guys heard of NFTs it's just it's just digging your own grave isn't it what is working in Ubisoft someone at Ubisoft thought you know what this will save us if we make an NFT thing game whatever this will be the thing this will get us in the black oh yeah two shows that adopted orphans truly cannot be loved as much as biological kids lol yeah it does that's a message in that one well we'd be far that Nuttiri was going to kill him apparently yeah maybe that's the message Nuttiri just fucking duds he has to swim his way back and they're just like oh you're here alright yeah okay it is one of those films where I've been really happy to see all of them die and not just the orphan yeah I'm fine with Nuke in the whole thing the franchise also play DDLC Dumbo's perhaps one day who knows when and what movie is y'all's next EFAP movies because they're hilarious that's a great question more information on that will present itself eventually for now EFAP TV shall be the new releases but don't you worry EFAP movies is on like a hiatus but it'll come back and in full force I look forward to explaining just what I mean by that when I get around to it ever thought about having sheave talks or any of the e-com hosts on we're pretty much in a position where like fucking anybody could come on depending on different situations the one thing about like messages I get in terms of like how do I I've had plenty of people say like how do I apply how do I get the point it's like never going to be a thing that works that way it's all very strange the best way I can find to be fair and consistent I guess to be honest with you we haven't had a lot of new new people on as of late and I'd like to try and get that going like Rob and Maya Burnett we had on that was fun that was fun that was very fun I like it legendary film so yeah you know you never know who is and who isn't going to turn up at what times but hopefully we can keep keep things spicy different ways hey guys have you considered revisiting the old X-Men movies to see how they hold up yes well yes I like how Rags is like no it's like definitely I'm interested I'm not speaking for anyone else I hadn't considered that I believe him I believe Rags is not considered I had never considered it I would totally do it I would totally do it I also have if you messaged me tomorrow and said Rags clear your schedule tomorrow we're doing an X-Men marathon we're going to watch all the X-Men movies I'd be like yeah sure I'm totally fine with that but I just never considered it I'm actually like super interested in revisiting those films because like I like a lot of those X-Men films I'm curious about how good they are I'm curious about the things that I'm specifically going to be excited and interested about it's the second one that's generally considered to be the best of the three right yes the first one is okay this one's okay too it's great that's what people do in Origins Wolverine very bad then the Wolverine some people try to defend it's okay well first class which I remember liking a lot I remember actually quite liking first class there's that too yeah there honestly it'd be kind of cool to do like a big old thing through the mole and rank the mole yeah because I think I wonder how people might find some placements interesting that's what happened with our DCEU rankings that surprised me that surprised me and because I was going into a lot of those movies for the first time but based off of what I'd heard I was surprised by how it kind of ended up being and if we ever do like I don't know if we like a strong MCU complete watch through retrospective whatever but I bet those will continue to surprise people for quite a while what I said so far stands good stands well what I think I'm most interested in with the X-Men films is how much of it is elevated by like incredible casting decisions you know like getting Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen you know like as Charles and Eric respectively it's like damn man that's like perfect and then they kind of did it again with like James McAvoy and Eric Fassbender Michael Fassbender like that was another one where it's like damn man like it's really important that you get the casting right for like these two characters like and they nailed it both times and then I got a nail it again damn the problem is go for it I was going to say didn't Patrick Stewart recently say that he didn't think he or Ian McKellen were yet finished with the X-Men what I thought he said I could have sworn I read an interview where he said that he thought he might go back I could I might have just made I'll take a billion hours of Ian McKellen's Magneto I don't care he can be literally in a wheelchair being like I just I just hope he doesn't get like injured on the Picard sets and we don't get any more like see I deliberately did not say I want more Patrick Stewart because I'm fucking tired of seeing him get killed he's like maybe I'll feel that way about Ian McKellen too if I saw more of it I love the power behind Ian McKellen's performances I feel like whoever gets cast for those two characters it's like damn man like the fact that you nailed it twice makes me think that you're not going to nail it a third time you got to make a grievous error but who knows maybe I feel like they recognize how important it is to get the casting right for those two characters and of course the poor the you know I feel a great a great swell of pity for the poor fool he has to play Wolverine after Hugh Jackman it's like damn man that's a yeah that's those big shoes to fill we'll give him a fair shake here any fat but again big shoes to fill though I think I've said that if the problem I don't want to build up any expectations for like the MCU X-Men because I was about to be like it'd be interesting if you know focus more on like Scott and stuff or like Rogue and and the like it's like why am I even why don't I bother like it's gonna it's gonna be bad whatever they end up doing surprised there was no chain-chomp scene yeah so many things I haven't done yet and there's so many things that they've just alluded to or like they're never gonna not be able to use piranha plants you know or bullet bills those are just mainstays those will always be around yeah well that's the thing is do we start to see because we're really sure a bunch of like the enemy characters from the series so yeah there's there's not as many left now but I imagine that because there's plenty that you could pull from Super Mario World like Dinosaur Island I think yeah people forget and I'm not like a big Mario guy I haven't I'm not just I'm not in general a big Nintendo guy haven't really played a lot of Nintendo stuff of late but the I think people forget the breadth of what Mario is and everything that's underneath that massive umbrella it's everything from Mario Kart all the stuff in Super Smash probably counts to a degree there's the there's the thousand year door and the paper stuff there's the RPG with him and Luigi there's of course the typical platforming there's the the galaxy there's so much stuff that's out there I mean the sunshine it's just it's a vast array it's just like Star Wars all the kinds of things that you could pull from and create it's even more expansive in fact you got so much fuel to work with it's just up to you to turn it into something worthwhile enter into gold if Bowser is poked you'll go back to normal because he got here that's what they meant by the poke thing yeah if anyone can get to Bowser and like push him or punch him or whatever he goes back to normal which is probably what's gonna happen when he's released like some someone will release and push him to the floor and you'll go and then you go yeah something will happen there'll be a magical thing it's just I think all of these Mario movies are gonna be magic bullshit and that's gonna be the plot and we're just kind of we're gonna be along for the ride and like I want the stories to be good and I want the plots to be good and I really want the characters to be good but there's a part of me that's kind of consigned to saying you know if it's just like fun and entertaining and visually interesting and they do enough with the characters to make me like him I'll probably just consider that a big win but I mean fingers crossed they always do more than that of course Zelda would be better as a show possibly yeah maybe I think so a really long adventure that allows them to explore so many different places and ideas and things yeah I think it's like dedicating like one episode you know like special episodes to each of like the big cultures of that world like the different you know groups cultures or dungeons yeah well yeah because I could I think I agree that that might be better suited for a TV show but I'm not sure if they do a show or a film I'm not sure I think I would be surprised if they didn't do a show because shows are getting you know they're a big deal I mean so I mean Star Fox we've been talking about that I mean that game is basically segmented like episodes different planets different scenarios for combat different encounters it would be really cool to get a Star Fox show and see all the cool things that they could do you know you get our what you get the under the submarine and then you the tank and then you get flying and then you get the flying that oh there was a dust storm or oh no there's a monster or we're on foot this time or maybe we get it out like a semi spooky episode in the dark all sorts of stuff you could do is my imagination is the limit um oi molly I returned from training in the mountains and opened my third eye and I finally understand the genius behind Iron Man 3 molly praise oh wait he says when someone says third eye and Iron Man 3 in the same sentence I can't I can't not think of someone's butthole it's just like man that would be it's uh it's a great it's a great film in terms of it's about family in terms of destroying destruction so yeah you know video someday I'm sure well hey molly we watched a video a half hour video the other day that spoke very positively of Iron Man 3 so you better watch it there's Iron Man 3 fans out there they probably couldn't tell you much about it oh if I put out a video shitting on Iron Man 3 I will I will piss off a lot of people I think that's okay is that really like a beloved no there's plenty of people who love it quite a bit stand for it yeah some people would like say it's like one of the last good movies in the MCU because it you think you're on that like surface level like level one engagement like oh look he's sad that means he absolutely they said like look it had like reasonable and actual consequences for the trauma ptsd she's like wow that's a huge you know that's a huge thing we see a lot of the time with like Star Wars and Marvel in particular like level one engagement and what you mean by that is you take the film for exactly what it says yes it's like I recognize what I'm being told and I am accepting it there's no like critical thought going on it's just recognizing essentially uh Shovel Knight is a 9.5 out of 10 fight me no I like I mean I would a lot of good things about Shovel Knight Shovel Knight is really great bring his cousin is in Shovel Knight oh there was a there was a I'm pretty sure they got there on like little DLC story the plague knight that's cool yeah the um you will be thrilled to know that this season three the current season of deep rock galactic the final reward for the season pass is a plague doctor mask it's the ultimate level 100 this is the last item cosmetic you unlock for the season it's all leading to that oh look at he's even green yeah well I think it's mainly the greenest from like the lighting a lot of no oh it is green like it's often hyper emphasize green because of course green lighting and a lot of it very dramatic yeah do you have a bird staff you have a staff with a birds head on it I don't have to command the birds I don't have a staff do you hold it up flock to me birds and then I don't know no no not really no we're asking the dude I love plague doctors plague doctors is so cool I love the aesthetic more and rags what's your favorite guilty pleasure game we got a question for free as well but we'll do that one first so guilty pleasure game hmm so I assume this means a game that we know isn't good but we play it as to just enjoy ourselves hmm oh wow that's actually a tough question because a lot of the times if a game is bad it's not like that it's not like a movie like Batman and Robin right that's like the ultimate pleasure movie it's terrible but I love watching it it's so corny and just magical but when a game is really bad you kind of feel it and what you have to play yeah and it makes me think of a game that I return to as well not just like enjoyed when I played it and then someone said blood born and it's so funny because it's like oh don't say that so much wrong with blood but I absolutely adore it wow that is legitimately a good question yeah because you don't often have guilty pleasure games if a game is bad and you have to play through the bad game then it kind of makes it you know to where you don't want to play the bad game there might be um it I might go to I might say something along the lines of seven days to die which has a lot of like it's like the best worst game as I've often described it as there's a lot of things in there that are just kind of weird and don't work but the combined package the sum total of all those things working together is kind of a fun um neat little experience so I might say that as a as a starter kind of an answer because not a lot of things are really coming to mind right now um so I should battlefront 2 as well it's like there's a lot of very badly designed bits in that but true battlefront 2 is kind of a guilty pleasure game I'd actually say that game is really poorly designed in a lot of ways um uh let's see I of course I of course have my my bi-monthly replay of amnesia rebirth that I always go through because I just I love it so much it's so fun definitely um but yeah typically I games that are like 5 out of 10 lots of good lots of bad or some other you know parts kind of games um yeah those are the kinds of things that come to mind I you know I might even you know this might be controversial I might even say Dead Space 3 I have played that game through probably about 4 times total less than any of the other Dead Spaces but it's really not a bad game it gets a lot of bad rap for reasons we've discussed before but that's sort of on the list of guilty pleasure like I'm not I'm not miserable when I play through that game but sometimes I'm just like yeah I'll play through you know the Dead Space games and I'll go through I'll do I guess now it'll be I'll play the remake then I'll play Dead Space 2 then I'll play Dead Space 3 perhaps and the question for Fringy is what do you think of the current civil war in Myanmar and the impact it had on the sale of Burmese teak in the market overall I don't know anything about that no all right well I guess that's I guess that's fair good question though it is a good question what do you guys think of Apple TV Foundation mmm it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be but it's the adaptation of Fasemov's oh wow they did that yeah they've got Lee Pace it's the guy from wasn't the guy from Chernobyl that British guy I found Lee Pace is you talk about the guy who played in the hall bit and Ronan accuses him I believe he plays someone whose name I can't remember this is a fairly good job it's a well produced thing I mean it looks very slick and impressive it does play fast and loose with the original quite a lot it wasn't as terrible as I was expecting it to be it's also probably not great I would have to rewatch it to be more definitive but I think probably just okay is a baseline reaction to it who would you guys fancast for the God of War show I think Liam Cunningham as Mimeer would be perfect dude I think you can just cast Alistair Duncan the voice actor for him yeah might as well he could pull it off especially if he's just ahead he'll be alright I think as for the rest of it like casting all the characters not actually sure in the case of someone like Odin for example you could just keep the same guy I need to see the build for the Thor guy in real life I'm not sure if you need someone else for that and you probably need someone new for Atreus yeah and Kratos is a super difficult complicated one that's a tough one Seth Rogen is Brock nooo it's kind of a I do find it interesting that in the case of something like God of War it's like you do have to sit down and figure out like could you actually get Christopher Judge for that or would you have to get someone new right like how do you like what do we do on that one I'm gonna whiteface just do it well I mean you can whoever's playing the role will be in super make up it's the ashes of his dead family yeah so yeah I'm on board with using Judge I just don't know I'm okay with it too yeah I almost want to do it just for respect I guess does he want to do it again you know like oh he's super on board I think he's expressed super on board with the live action Kratos yeah I guess I just find it interesting in that case where it is kind of like you need to sort of figure out like what your objectives are and how to like what you want to do whereas with Halo it's like you could have just gotten Steve down so like do the voice but you didn't because you there was never even on that show we don't you got some guy he kind of sucked I don't have problem is like I don't know even know what the direction is for that character like I guess that's true yeah was he just doing what he was told well here's the problem like like John Halo who is he like what does he even believe in like that's a real question I don't think you could I don't think you would get the same answer from like anybody if you ask them who he was and I think most people would even struggle to tell you who he is and what he values it is like one of the most scattershot characters I've ever seen like in terms of just back and forth doesn't believe in anything or value anything beyond his own like selfish goals and it's totally the whip of whatever the writers need him to do John Halo that's show god damn it yeah he's that he's that um he's like that Elron during sort of character who constantly flip flops between like two completely different people based on what the scene sort of needs to happen for a lot to occur well there's walking contradictions you know like he'll be like we gotta focus on saving humanity and then like 10 seconds later it's back to himself and his own shit it's incredible this is like yeah no I really care about protecting humanity do you though is that reflected any of the choices that you make sorry back to since Cranky Kong was the original Donkey Kong confirmed in DK64 what do you think about a DK prequel where Giuseppe saves Pauline from a younger cranky I don't know if they're doing that I don't know if I need that obviously it could could be a fun movie I just uh yeah I don't expect them to do that yes well maybe they'll do it down the road maybe well I don't know if they were right Pauline was like the mayor of New York right so I don't know like if there's any history between Cranky Kong but yes Cranky Kong is original DK and Donkey Kong is Donkey Kong from Donkey Kong Country his son wait his son or his grandson isn't there because there's um Donkey Kong Junior do you remember that character well go ahead and get out the the Donkey Kong the Kong family tree and I maybe it's on Wikipedia um almost certainly because because there was don't yeah because there is the original Donkey Kong is Cranky Kong and then there was Donkey Kong Junior and and then and then there's just Donkey Kong oh yeah so Donkey Kong Junior is is DK's so okay so Donkey Kong when we're talking about Donkey Kong we're talking about with the tie all right main Donkey Kong who shows up in all of the games and spin-offs and everything Donkey Kong Junior is his dad and Cranky Kong is uh is uh Donkey Kong Junior's dad would maybe was uh you know why that's confusing to have his dad be Donkey Kong Junior well I meant to call the son of Donkey Kong Junior Donkey Kong yeah it was Donkey Kong and then Donkey Kong Junior which is like of course you would think that Junior is the son of course you would well he is that was that like a they they look I thought you said that later I thought Donkey Kong was the son of Junior and it was flipped or maybe I missed the order the order is Cranky Kong Donkey Kong Junior Donkey Kong okay yeah that's confusing it's because the Donkey Kong who appears in Donkey Kong country the one with the tie like the mainline Donkey Kong as opposed to the one who showed up in the original game Donkey Kong mm-hmm yeah that clears it up yeah definitely mm-hmm the user named Hyper Charge made an interesting critique on Mario Odyssey it's 55 minutes and I'd recommend a watch fair enough Hyper Charge I really like Bill and Franks and I'm a straight guy I don't you don't have to be gay to like gay relationship I'm glad you got past being straight though good stuff and uh yeah it was good shit so I've always wanted to play as Merc's characters in campaign of the OG oh yeah we were talking about that at the beginning yeah yeah first scenario characters in the campaign watch Dead Sounds Dinosauria on YouTube Hyrax hello I'm not sure what that is but very well thoughts on No Country for Old Men love it amazing movie I haven't seen it we gotta that is a top tier movie very good is indeed watch Rodrigo Sousa's Playground on YouTube now maybe at some point fair enough try get around to it please do a deep dive review of blues big city adventure 2022 like blue the of blues fame yeah I don't know I don't recognize that one there was a bluey bluey oh that's true bluey Australian dog what happens to a fringy when he gets hit by lightning same thing that happens to everything else oh that's uh storm one of the worst fucking quotes that's okay that's okay it's not that bad nah I think it's shit doesn't even make sense rags not everything actually does react that way would hit by lightning yeah but maybe like they're setting up this like idea that it's gonna be a particular answer but it's like nah just you know lightning stuff I don't know Fireflower Peach I'm not defending I just bad cave Fireflower Peach has no pony tail 0 out of 10 you know that's fair is that I actually don't remember what the is that does she normally have the ponytail with the oh yeah she does doesn't she that doesn't negatively affect the entire movie I agree like a pony tail hell yeah when my six-year-old nephew said Mario he said he liked it or saw it sorry but I didn't get why Mario got small and got big again but when Bowser got small he didn't get big again I said that's what we call a plot hole no you have to get a mushroom you gotta get hit out of being small exactly like Bowser's putting a cage he doesn't get hit out of it he will be hit out of it when he's released don't worry it'll happen they should put him in a padded cell he's constantly trying to hit himself punch himself to get big again I don't think Crobcat was saying RE4 remake was bad he was saying it's lacking unique details a good example original total recall versus remake high puppy that's still wrong it's very clever of the comparison to show all of the details it didn't carry over and then not show any of its own unique details isn't it for example the title was very clear soul vs. soulless absolutely and you have the detail of Louise being with Leon in several elements of adventure all the little interactions they have but also if you defeat the two El Gigantes before you can get the like dynamite to you he says like oh shit man you didn't leave any for me it's like that's a cool detail that's not in the OG game guess which one's soulless now I'm saying it's a very unfair comparison oh good how do you look at Louise's death scene and be like yeah this is soulless I don't know I don't know I can get a bit that's crazy what movies have you all walked out on and why I've never walked out on a movie I've never walked out on a movie the closest I ever came was where the wild things are closest I came was interstellar I think ooh wasn't it John Wick 2? no John Wick 2 was like number 2 I think haha I don't know if I've ever if there's a film that is so bad it makes me want to walk out from it the odds are I'm going to spend more time with that film than anything else like Avatar the way of water it would be 4 days to watch that film didn't want to but did it took us 2 days to watch interstellar right guys yeah that's good times I can imagine watching Avatar 2 over the course of 4 days being like how maybe something will happen today maybe but it did it made it worse but hell it produced a very long script it did indeed have you seen your opinion on Babylon 5 I assume I'm the only one who's seen that here I haven't seen it I have not I've heard it's pretty good yeah I'd say it's an excellent show it does a lot of really cool stuff it's seminal for a lot of probably inspired a shit ton of media going forward very good stuff if you were craving for a long form sci-fi show that covers a whole bunch of characters going on significant journeys that has like big old politics and social issues having been dealt with that's that's a show for you check it out full recommendation I have only saw it through the once I probably should go again some the complete thing to say if an MCU movie had a character acting out of character but then the next movie revealed to be a scroll in a way that made perfect sense would the score of the first movie retroactively go up no needs to be within the story being told as is told that movie would still lack that kind of context right instead of them as what you would say is the movies together make a score slash package but that movie on its own lacks components in the same way that you're like bonus information to explain something in a particular because each of these movies still have a start middle finish even Lord the Rings each of the individual films still have beginnings and endings so if it like fucks the entire narrative to not know a piece of information that then gets added in there's still like an element of it would like I said it makes the overall story smoother but that one when it's watched on its own would still have that problem yeah you essentially create scenarios where like films could always be made really good like retroactively by just adding extra information onto it by the way I'm not against doing it though like I would do the fuck out of that if I was making newer Star Wars movies yeah not necessarily bad at all trying to repair you know recontextualize a lot of the time though you're trying to not do it in a way that you're like completely change everything with no hints you try and try and blend it in a bit try and be like oh it was it was actually kind of this and if you think about this is this you know it kind of your parents were actually the grand children of Palpatine yeah I know someone working on Apple Foundation review from what I know it's pretty bad with some glimmers of good all right what are your fondest memories of Batwoman season one it might be is it episode two where she goes down swims down to the van and explodes oh that's really high tier um that was funny as fuck we've got that that underwater explosion her getting hit by the truck on the motorcycle mm-hmm we have the when she kills Flanders yeah yeah yeah the one good scene in the entire show with Luke and that one guy before the plot sniper shows up um a lot of the skin creepy skin man scenes are kind of funny and memorable um anytime Alice gets captured we're out of cream yeah and we're Kevin ran out of jelly beans that was the fucking the old lady I've spelled out to say he ran out of jelly beans oh that's is that second season because that's Ryan getting I think that's that's not that's not Kate Kane's there you go plenty of good moments yeah I think the cream that yeah um yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of funny moments unfortunately I think shoot the bats that was in second season right I think that was second season that's another legendary moment yeah oh shoot with the shotgun shoot them man uh the new lego city adventures is honestly the best official lego show come out you should watch the first episode it's really funny huh maybe maybe uh love you guys if channel recommendations are not allowed don't read the next donation if they are thank you everyone should watch Lackadaisy in this age of just garbage from the mainstream these indie projects deserve the money and time it already hits its goals I recommend supporting the patreon um their three-year journey working from home to bring the amazing pilot to life and hopefully the comic I hope they get picked up by a 24 yeah it's like a an animated 1920s anthropomorphic animal kind of movie looks pretty neat I haven't seen it but yeah I've seen some of it the animation and art looks great um yeah it's another one of these cool like independent animation projects sounds cool I mostly wanted to mess with Fringy so I'll ask him now favorite guilty pleasure game mine is sonic adventure 2 favorite guilty pleasure game um hmm um I'm just thinking uh I don't know I don't know what that would be I don't know well if you think about it for a little bit we can do cause that's the last one so we can do some outros while you think about it I mean I enjoyed modern warfare 3 and I played that a fair deal I don't think that game is particularly great maybe modern warfare 2 doesn't feel like that though cause I really like I uh maybe modern warfare 3 the multiplayer of modern warfare 2 was like abysmally bad but yeah but I love it it's just sort of become its thing we all know that this is this is horse shit and we're just in this grinder together there's a reason why like nothing from that game back they changed so much about everything yeah bro we're not doing that again one man army not doing that again guns with like no recoil like all so much got changed yeah I mean I love it I love it though maybe call of duty broadly but then again I haven't played call of duty like much over the last how many years no um anyone looking forward to barbie the movie also high rags um kind of a vague interest yeah it'd be interesting um and on that note that kind of wraps up the podcast but first we should say thank you so much little platoon for joining us this wonderful adventure thank you so much for having me back on that's why I was a bit sleepy but I'm starting to wake up finally no bro it's very fun would you like to tell the audience what it is you're up to what's come out since you were last here what they should go and watch right now yeah go go watch Tetris right now obviously but of my things um I didn't god loads of rubbish came out since I was last on so there's stuff on the channel at the moment um I've started a live show on Monday nights with a guy called the movies in it who's really nice um so that's sort of 10 p.m my time uh that's like 5 p.m eastern all of you guys are more than welcome to come on if you ever find yourself with a spare evening um video wise I'm working on a big Mandalorian season 3 thing so oh dear yeah another couple of weeks of pain and then that will be out but it is quite good fun it's an entertaining watch I think no I've been entertained yeah yeah it brings us joy absolutely and yeah and you've got you've got breakdowns for uh Avatar and uh Ant-Man um yeah Ant-Man was the penultimate one so yeah Mario is the most recent one Ant-Man before that I'd actually remember the one before that was but yeah Avatar is probably the longest one I think that's on there and then just yeah and any other given thing that might be there it's all on the channel somewhere I've just lost track of where I am um link in description plenty to check out full platoon always a pleasure much obliged as refap you've got yourselves more Mando on the way um next one shall very much be soon enough we've decided to halt Gotham nights until Mando's done and then that'll come out after that and then after that and so on more updates as time goes on but we don't we don't want everyone to get confused with the two complex plotlines of Mandalorian and Gotham nights running side by side it's you gotta take one show at a time or you'll get lost it's very intricate and complex I mean the real truth is we just give them some more time for editors to get worked on you know because I was gonna say meanwhile well that's happening work is being done for videos lots of things on the way tell you all about them um but other than that I suppose that's that's that's about that uh last one says a coin for Super Mario thanks very much so yeah hope you guys enjoyed the uh little chat we had about three of these movies go check out one of them maybe check out one of them and do not check out one of them a fun trifecta uh thank you so much for keeping this company thank you for the kind donations and the messages as for now though we shall bid you good night and see you next time why good bye everybody dude hello woohoo go