 Hi everyone, welcome back to my channel and welcome to another comic book haul video. Now I'm still a little bit under the weather but I was expecting this package to come and since this come I do want to go through it and I want to show this to you guys and I do definitely want to go on eBay and because this package that I bought from the same seller that we bought before I think we've bought at least two possibly three comic book haul videos with this guy this package and these comics I've been buying from him for the last few months and I went on eBay just to sort of remind myself what I bought from him and the way the eBay works is basically they've started not sharing as much data so they take off the data that people have bought so basically I looked on some of the books that I bought because this has taken so long I think it's over three months four months or so I'm not sure what the cutoff point for eBay is but some of the books we won't be able to look at the grade on them because eBay's taken them down so I can't check the description of the video to find out what the grade on these things were okay and it is bring it up here it is a box right a full-blown box again and let's crack this open and in the last video sort of an update video and previously I've mentioned that what we're going to do is take a look at sort of the mathematics of investing in comics right and the guys package this up nicely all the everything I've gotten from him he's taken these boxes and he's put packing tape all around them so it makes some sort of waterproof as well which is really good and because I was buying all these boxes from him he stopped charging me shipping so he didn't charge me shipping for this at all which is fantastic just one reason you know I decided to stick with this guy because he was putting up a variety of comics and he was putting up a variety of comics and if you recall in basically you know the first set of videos I wrote it up or it could have been I think was the first eBay haul video that I put up I mentioned that there is basically you know three reasons why buy comic books which is basically collecting investing and reading and we've done a whole bunch of comic book haul videos and I started a playlist of comic book haul videos because what we're going to do we're going to go back and analyze some of the books take a look at some of the books we bought and do some mathematics on stuff like this so I put a comic book haul playlist together and there's I think let me open it up I think there's like 12 videos on there 13 videos I think this is going to be the 13th video or 14th video with the first one being an introduction of why I buy comic books it was an introduction to the first set of videos I loaded up there double and million comics that we bought off eBay yeah there's 13 videos on there with this video being loaded on there's going to be 14 videos okay and basically 13 of them are comic book haul videos one of them the first one was two big boxes we got which was a daredevil in the valiance and that one's comic book haul one a and one b okay so in that video an introduction to that to that video I mentioned that the three reasons that I buy comic books is basically collecting investing and reading and over the last few years we sort of tackled all of those things right we've taken a look at some stuff that I've specifically invested in we've taken look some stuff that I just wanted to add in my collection some stuff that you know there could be fillers some people consider these to be fillers and we've definitely bought some stuff which are collectibles right which I you know I'm buying because I'm assuming that the price is going to continue to go up on them or go up on them maybe it'll come down for a while and then go up on them so they're basically investing for the long term and some sometimes I buy do buy comics on the short for the short term but I haven't done that for a very long time the last time I've sold comic books was back in a 2000 2002 or so I think 2001 2002 when I first got on eBay I you know I wanted to try it out so I sold some comic books and I bought a whole bunch of stuff and and they just tried my hands on it I love the experience of doing that online so what we did was let me put this guy here and then we'll grab a whole bunch at a time and take a look at them okay now in preparation for this let me show you what I've done or tell you what I've done so let me go to this now I mentioned that I'm going to put a spreadsheet together and what we're going to do let me open up my excel file too because what I did I created a couple of spreadsheets and I asked you guys if there was any open source online spreadsheet programs that we could use to to analyze some of this data to at least start off start off a spreadsheet taking a look at some of this information and I put together a couple of spreadsheets one of them is a spreadsheet for this comic book haul video okay and another one is let me open these up where we are oh there it is example blink so I got two spreadsheets and I've loaded those on to this program which is called Zoho someone mentioned that they're they're using Zoho Zoho.com and I'm going to make these spreadsheets just open to the public okay let me open up both of them now they're not formatted I just put up the columns together I am still a little bit under weather so you know I spent some time looking through the stuff and I've been building one of the spreadsheets for a while the data and I've been crunching some numbers and I'm not sharing everything that I've done on the spreadsheet that I that I have on my computer because they're we're going to do this over time and there's basically two types of data we should look at two types of number crunching that we're going to do one of them is to look at the metrics of specific comics right may they be print runs may they be who the artists are and we'll try to build up some kind of mathematics associated with that to be able to look at or quantify the investing of comics another type of data we're going to look at is take a look at graphs and see how the price of comic books certain comics certain issues has changed over time and we sort of did a sampling of this in the previous personal finance video where we took a look at how the rate of growth or how the slopes basically we didn't really do the analyzing the rate of growth yet but we took a look at how the slopes of different types of investments have changed over time we took a look at stock market you know wages housing we look at took a look at a certain fund we took a look at a few different the different things that you could have invested in we also took a look at you know the most well known or the most sought after was it called the holy grail if I remember what it was the holy grail of comics which is action comics number one and we put that on a graph and we took a look at how the growth of that has relates to other types of investment that we that we have done right or you could have done and and that's what we're going to do with some of the comics okay now as far as the spreadsheet goes one of them that I'm going to share it's called copy of investing in comics sample sheet is for discussion and I listed some comics there the first column is a title column b is the issue number column c is the company column d is the date column e is the price of the comic books that you could have bought at the time right and then there is different different columns you know great bots graded if the comic book is graded price paid great sold if you're going to buy and sell comic books right and then the print run now the print run for comic books is extremely hard to find some of them right and which is sort of crazy because data is worth a lot of money data is the name of the game right now is data right for example you know some of the largest companies to come out that have broken out sort of disruptive innovation that has come into play in the last two decades two three decades are basically companies that manage data right google being one of them facebook being one of them twitter being one of them they're tech companies right they've been able to take data and crunch them they and that's not just online there's also data available to to wall street right some of the most corrupt companies in the world manage our personal data may it be metadata may it be data for your what's it called your grade how my mind is a little bit of mush because I'm a little bit under the weather and it when days are good I I I misspeak so when I'm down words really escape me but basic credit scores right there's some huge credit score companies that are collecting our personal data and sharing that personal data with whoever's willing to pay them right there are companies that are collecting our bio metrics right people are sending in their data to you know to be analyzed to see where their ancestry is from and that data is being sold right and a lot of a lot of these companies are holding on to their data tight grip and eBay is one of them as well they've made they've made their data harder and harder to to get to mine right so this is something that we're going to have to figure out how to do which is finding the print runs of certain comics it's easier to do now to a certain degree with variant comics I think that's one of the reasons variant comics are fit have a certain certain following as well as slab graded comic books because there's a data set available that you can look at to see how your comics rate to other comics okay so one column I created is print run another one is the near mint guide value because everything's going to be relative to that and then I created a column called price per print run which is I think one of the most basic basic metrics we're going to have to look at and the formulas are there you can you know go into the cell and price per print run is basically in the column here is what the mint value is divided by the print run times a thousand and I'm multiplying by a thousand to bring the numbers up right so kicking the numbers up a little bit that's a valid thing to do when you're analyzing data right and what we can do is you know you can take a look at those values they don't necessarily mean very much by themselves but they become relevant once you start doing a comparison for one comic book one place you could invest into another place you could invest in okay and what we could do is do ratios and economics is just ratios y'all if you know how to deal with the ratios fractions and ratios and how to read interpret ratios then you're set to go for economics right and what we could do is take these numbers and create other ratios compare these with other metrics as well right and then another one I looked at which was out of curiosity was market cap and I call this market cap column m market cap date published which is basically the print run times the price of the comic book right when it came out right so for example xo amount of war for valiant comics for some reason valiant comics it's easy to get your hands on the print runs for the first set of valiant comics that came out right so xo amount of war number one um which we bought in that first set of comic books uh first comic book haul video that we did right the first two comics that I've listed here is xo amount of war number one and solar amount of the item number three right first appearance of herata and first appearance of xo amount of war number one right or xo amount of war and the print run for xo amount of war number one it's 80 000 and solar amount of the item was 65 000 right and then you know you multiply that by the price that they came out as and that's the market cap when they first came out right and then the next column column n is the market cap as of october where in october 2017 market cap as of october which is basically what the near mint guide values going out and remember the guide values are just that they're guide a lot of comic books sell above guide a lot of comic books sell below guide okay they're more in that sell below guide the the basically fillers right you fillers you can buy on the cheap and i have a fair bit of fillers here as well but ones that are you know people are chasing their good investment they usually sell above guide right now they definitely sell for a grade they definitely sell above guide as well some anyway i'm gonna as we saw with mystic number six that i bought a graded cgc 5.5 i bought it for what i would have paid for a non graded 2 right and that was a 5.5 so you know liquidity vary comes into play and this is stuff like this and we're going to take a look at those things right but basically column n is a market cap which is basically what the near mint value is times the times the i put this thing on in front of my screen so i gotta sort of do a little look over times the print run right and then in the next column i have you know the artist because i believe if we're gonna seriously look at investing in comics what comic books are worth then what we need to do is have a multiplier multiplier for the different artists that have been involved in those comic books right so mystic number six was basal wolverton and that's a sought after issue because basal wolverton his artwork is absolutely brilliant right everyone doesn't chase it but there is if you fall in love with certain artists it doesn't have to be a popular artist well basal wolverton is chased after by select few me being one of them love their artwork but there's a lot of people that are chasing like alex uh i forget his name uh and you know jack jack kirby and um steve didko and stuff like there's a lot and i've got i've got a couple of steve didko books in this comic book all video so i believe in any type of qualifying investing comics there has to be a multiplier for the artist or writers involved in that for that issue if we're really going to delve deep into it right maybe we will at some point maybe more uh people who are more versed in investing in general have you know have made a career out of it will you know lend a hand in this but basically you know i've created these columns and we'll play around with these things and see see what we can come up with right so there should be a multiplier for the uh for the artists involved there should be multiplier and i've got cover who did the covers for uh some of these comics and then there's notes that you can put in et cetera et cetera could be you know there could be a multiplier for that year you're looking at for the character you're looking at right certain characters are more sought after than others right there could be a multiplier for the variance right so if you take a look at this copy investing comics the sheet that i've created you know the first few are just valiance because it's easy to get the print runs for valiance okay the other ones that took me a while to find uh to get my hands on but basically we have solar exo amount of war number one solar number three divinity which is valiant again the regular cover and then we have divinity the one in 10 divinity the one in 20 and divinity the one in 40 and the prices that they're going at i graph from a few different places i didn't spend the time to make the notes of where i got the prices and because again my energy level is fairly low uh but i'll leave that up to you right and then the other comics we have uh i listed on here is amazing spider number spider man number one and you know you can take a look at the near mid price that is going on which is listed as 60 000 i got a print run as similar to approximate 340 000 uh issues that was printed for amazing spider on number one and remember these are the numbers that were printed at the time right the print run we don't know how many survived right there's estimates uh you know i'll give you i'll let you know what the next ones are but there's uncanny x-men number one you know the print run was 255 000 it's going for 44 000 and you can figure out the market cap of when it first came out with 250 000 and uh how much is going for now right with the market cap of that would be so theoretically speaking right that should be your multiplier of how much the value has gone up if you do a ratio of what the market cap was at the beginning and what the market cap is now right or what the market cap is now relative to what the market cap is was at the beginning right that is your multiplier that's how much the thing has gone up right so there's a lot of things you can do with this this is sort of raw and we'll delve into this right and you can look at the price per print run and stuff and then we have action comics number one uh what i could dig up was basically there was 200 000 copies of action comics number one printed at the time and the market cap at the time would have been you know where we got we got uh 20 000 because we're selling for 10 cents a pop right so 10 cents times 200 000 it gives you 20 000 well right now if all of those 200 000 issues of amazing action comics number one still remained and if it was selling for what it was and it wouldn't be because there'll be a lot of them around right the last time action comics number one which we took a look at in the investing the personal finance when we looked at the graph the last one sold at three million plus let's say three million dollars right so if you multiply that by the print run the market cap for that would have been six hundred thousand six hundred million dollars right which is absolutely let's make sure i got the right number uh no sorry six uh six hundred billion dollars i guess right uh but that didn't exist all those uh issues didn't survive i forget what the exact number is is how many action comics number one have survived but there's only a few dozen action comics number one and only a handful that are graded at the price that the three the one that went for three million dollars right so the market cap for action comics number one is not what's listed in the column based on the number of issues that survive so there's a lot of disclaimers going with this table but hopefully you can see where i'm going with this right and then you know the other comics that i have here is detective 27 batman detective 27 was the first appearance of batman and then what i did was look at what the lowest print run batman comic is and it's batman number five hundred and eighty eight okay i'm not sure why i guess it was going through a lull period and that came out in 2001 because comic book industry has done a serious step right there used to be millions of comic books being printed now they're in the tenth of tenth of tens of thousands at best right so detective comics number five eighty eight that came out in 2001 only had 42 000 issues printed that's an estimation as well because we don't have the raw data right and you know you can take a look at the metrics of that the ratios of that and that one's not fetching a high price and as far as i'm concerned if that's the lowest batman comic printed that should be fetching a higher price than four dollars because as the population of the world increases what happens if more and more people want to complete the runs of a certain title right and then we have detective comics number 795 that's the lowest detective comics printed from what i could gather up and that's only 34 000 issues right again collectible if there's more than you know if all of a population of the world or even right now there's a lot of people that love batman what if a lot of people wanted to start collecting batman and complete their runs only 34 650 people could complete a detective run right if you see where i'm where i'm going with this right and then i have some image comics here so we took a look at valiant marvel i've listed some there's some dc obviously image comics we took a look at i put on walking dead number one right and it came out of 2003 and i'm surprised how low the print run of this supposed to be supposed to be that 7200 which is one reason why a graded mint copy uh mint mint or near mint copy is going for over thousand dollars right and what it first came out it was $2.95 in 2003 right and then there's walking dead 100 and just do a comparison of that and you can do multiples of this too right how how good of investment is a comic book relative to its own run right so walking dead number one had 7200 print run walking dead number 100 had 380 000 print run right and you can you know from what i can gather that's selling from anywhere between 30 to 40 dollars to 50 dollars some of the variants are selling for a way more right so again the mint the mint near mint guide by the way that i listed here it depends on the variant it depends if you can get a good deal or not it depends on liquidity depends of what the economy is doing and that's that's going for 40 dollars you can take a look at the price per print run and you can do a metric there you can do a metric based on what the what the price is going for relative to its print run again that's sort of related to price per print run and take a look at the market cap and stuff like this another image book i looked at was chew number one and chew number one had 5200 print run and then we looked at monstrous number one which you know i'm reading and i'm loving monstrous number one has a 30 000 issue print run and then i took a look at a couple other comics that one of them i've been reading on behind right now which is hillbilly number one and hillbilly number one had a 10 000 print run and just do a comparison hillbilly number one is selling for about 20 dollars right and the artist for that is eric pal and eric pal is a person that created goon and goon's first appearance which is another comic that i listed there is best seller sellers number one that came out in 1995 and there was only a thousand print run up that from what i could dig up if there's anything wrong with this please make the changes right and please make a i'm not sure how this is going to work how the changes occurred but if you want to play around with this and add your own columns and take a look at some of the metrics induce your own mathematics please save this yourself because i don't know what is going to happen when you know when other people have access to this and edits start being made i'll i'm going to still play around with um the spreadsheet i have uh on my hard drive and i'll try to update this uh in the future as well but this is just as a teaser for discussion purposes uh if you think we should do anything else with this table please post comments in this video or send me messages comments in this video is it's probably a good idea right because that way other people can comment and just do a discussion or we could create a forum somewhere else right uh i'll leave that up to you guys um to deal with and i'll definitely jump on uh i'll definitely participate in whatever everyone decides right so you know best sellers number one um 1995 selling for 300 plus the first appearance of goon if not plus plus right selling i would love to get my hands on it i don't have it right uh and you could take a look at the market cap of it then market cap of it now stuff like this and all these metrics so that's one table i've created which is sort of general and the reason i added solar x amount of war number one and solar number one is because those are two of the books that i bought in the first comic book haul video we did and if you look at that playlist comic book haul number one a and one b we bought xo one amount of war number one solar number and a lot and i think i paid 20 for that lot so you know you can say half of that half of that lot went to the other book so i probably paid like five dollars a pop for these ones right and they're selling anywhere between 30 to 37 dollars right now and valiant comics is really good for getting data the valiant community is sharing their data as much as they can which is fantastic it's hard to pick up some of the some of the data for some of the other publishers independence easier than dc and marvel from the first valiant run anyway and from the recent valiant run as well because you can find the print runs for these i looked up the the website where i did get the print runs for the valiant but i couldn't you know i i'm again low energy i'm not spending too much time searching and stuff like this okay so that's sort of the intro to this comic book haul video and what i've done so far with the comic book hauls and let me put this back down again excuse me so let's take a look at what we bought okay now oh yeah and the other spreadsheet that i have here is um let's say comic sample sheet copy oh yeah this is the one i want boop and the other spreadsheet i created was a copy of comic book haul october 2007 and i think this is going to be let me just change the title on this this is going to be comic book haul number 12 so i'm going to change this right now so i don't forget comic book haul number 12 so the spreadsheet where we're going to take a look at these comics is copy of comic book haul number 12 october 2017 and i put chicho discussion and print runs needed right i didn't look for the print runs of these and the only comic books i've included in this table i believe are the comic books that i paid more than four dollars for okay and there's this is a short box right so there's i don't know what comics there are because some of our thicker they're older it ranges between golden age all the way to present right modern age but i've only included ones that i believe i paid more than four dollars for and there's only 19 that i paid one four dollars for because i would consider those to be investment some of the other ones that i paid lower price for they would be for me anyway considering investment as well but i didn't include them here because low energy a certain amount of time spent on this right so let me tell you what i get in this comic book haul video now that we got that that done with and let me do