 please just tell me who these people are it is okay to disagree with somebody it's okay to think that somebody is wrong but it's not okay to say why they're wrong when they show you what they're speaking about and so i'm gonna go for passage and those that disagree it's fine but i would like for you this time i want you to avoid the temptation of just disagreeing without giving a reason and saying how i'm wrong showing me why i'm wrong this time i want you to show me why i'm wrong using the passage i'm covering a passage dealing with salvation this is luke chapter eight this is jesus speaking about salvation but he's speaking about it in a parable the parable of the seed and the soils or some may say the the parable of the sore let's start in verse five of luke chapter eight the sore went out to sow his seed and as he sowed some fell beside the road and it was trampled underfoot and the birds of the air ate it up the other seeds fell on the rocky soil and soon grew so it grew and withered away because it had no moisture other seeds fell fell along the thorns and the thorns grew up with it to choke it out other seed fell to the good soil and grew up and produced a crop a hundred times as great as he said these things he called out he who has ears let him hear now this is a theological statement that he's making we won't go too far into it because he says as the disciples also themselves were confused he says in verse 10 he says uh to you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of god but to the rest it is in parables so that seeing they may not see and hearing they may not hear we'll go into all of that there's a reason why he's doing this but notice what he's speaking of he's speaking about the kingdom of god he's speaking about salvation and he's relating it to these the seed and the soils so the question is what is the seed and what is the soil but more importantly which one of these are you which one of these people who is Jesus speaking of now we know he's speaking about salvation so the question is as he's going to go over four different people or people groups and he's going to relate them to four different types or four ways that the seed falls to four different soils who is Jesus speaking of that is to say if you disagree with my assessment tell me where I'm wrong tell me what this means so verse 11 as he wants to describe it or the the disciples want to know what is he speaking of he says those the seed those beside the road are those who have heard then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart so that they will not believe and be saved and this word believe this is uh the part of simple so that they will not be believing because again we'll cover this in just a little bit but that Jesus the word describes us as who are actual true believers as believing with the part of simple so the question is who are these people my assessment that is this whole parable about the seed and the soils speaks about people who can believe temporarily and there's three cases three examples of why they are not true believers they all believe hear the word and receive it temporarily but they aren't considered to be true people of the god of god of the kingdom of god they're not believers not saved but the last group is if you disagree well then you're going to have to tell me who is he speaking up who are these people give an example of who these people are in real life verse 13 those on the rocky soil are those who when they hear receive the word with joy and these have no firm root they believe for a while and in time of temptation following a couple of things about this one they hear it is very possible for people to hear the word you can receive the word understand it it makes sense but it doesn't go anywhere and in this case it says that they believe for a while so it's also possible for a person to believe believe temporarily as Jesus says this is Jesus speaking now they believe for a while and notice what he says um uh going continue back in verse 13 they received the word they believe for a while and in time of temptation they fall away so question we would point out to those who believe that a that a Christian can fall away now this says they fall away they believe for a while why did they believe for a while why was it that in temptation they fall away and are we going to say that these people in verse 13 would we say that these are true Christians if this is who Jesus is referring to this is how he's relating it would we say that these people in verse 13 are true believers true Christians no we're going to find out in just a second why verse 14 who are these type of Christians or non-Christians I would say the seed which fell among the thorns these are the ones who have heard and as they go on their way they are choked with worries and riches and pleasures of this life and bring no fruit to maturity so the Christians who have no sort of maturity no fruit they're just there nothing nothing changes in their lives Jesus is speaking about those would you call those Christians well you some might say well yeah they were Christians but they just they're they're immature Christians they didn't grow so they lost their salvation okay go to verse 15 and then you tell me who are these are these true Christians are these the one we're supposed to be I think so but the seed in the good soil these are the ones who have heard the word just like others heard the word but look what it says with I'm sorry in an honest and good heart that's the difference and hold it fast and bear fruit with perseverance so here's the question one who are these people in verse 15 two is that you would you call yourself would you consider yourself if you have to relate to any one of these would you say that that's you ask yourself which of these are you I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of people that are watching this will probably say I'm probably number I'm in verse 15 that's who I am I am a true Christian amen amen if you are who do you know that's in that's 14 who do you know that's verse 13 who do you know that that's the previous one which one of these four are you who are these people who who is Jesus describing have you seen these people and if you've seen these people especially in the first three then you will say that these are people that were once saved and they fought they fell away they lost their salvation but is that what Jesus is saying there's a difference between the first three and the last what is the difference between the first three and the last well the difference is what he says in verse 15 they received the word heard the word but they heard it how or with what an honest and good heart that's the difference but what is a heart the heart is the heart I mean yeah the heart is the is the is the soil that is sewn on the word or the seed is the word the soil is the heart here's the question we all hear the same word we all receive the same seed the issue the problem is not the seed the issue is with the soil or the heart who fixes the heart if you receive the word in an honest and good heart before we go there what does Jesus say is going to happen with that person that receives it that one they hold fast and they bear fruit with perseverance in other words they'll keep doing that they'll keep bearing fruit that's that's the whole point of this word here they will keep bearing fruit how with perseverance they hold fast and they bear fruit I'm not trying to just be repetitive or redundant but they hold it fast hold what the word they keep the word keep believing and they bear fruit with perseverance now the question is where does this good heart they have come from where does how does the soil get to be good soil if I'm going to sow the seed that matter about the seed how good the seed is how wonderful the seed is if it's received on or if it's sown into bad soil where does the good soil come from remember in John 3 16 Jesus makes a statement that we all know of he says that in order that all the believing ones should not perish guys love the word that gave his own god and son the word who so ever is that in order that all the believing ones are the ones that are believing henna pasta pistol wine so the ones that are believing that they won't perish so remember we talked about that in Luke 8 so that they won't be part of one of the believing ones the believing ones is how the bible most commonly refers to us as believers that we are constantly believing how does a person get to be constantly believing I know it's not necessarily the best English but just so you can understand how does a person get to become one of those who are constantly believing well Jesus also answered this question earlier in John 3 he says in verse 3 he says unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God what does that mean to be born again well in this case and that they know that means be born from above born of water and spirit to be born of the spirit that is an act not of us but it is an act of God as a matter of fact he says in verse 8 the wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it but you do not know where it comes from so it's everyone who is born of the spirit so in order to have a good heart you have to be born from above Peter makes a statement that everyone that's born he says we have been caused to be born again by God first Peter 1 3 and then Titus tells us that we are saved or born because of the washing or the regeneration of the heart so if the heart is the soil the good soil and we need good soil in order to keep believing we need good soil in order to bear fruit and to do so continually who does that well that's God so now here's a question going back to Luke 8 those four examples which one are you who are those people I contend that those first three are just people who think they're saved but are not saved they have made a mental ascent in regards to what they've heard they understand it it makes sense I get it I'm a sinner Jesus is not he died for my sins that's the only way I can be saved because of what he did on the cross they can they can recount all of that and say to themselves I believe that to be true it makes sense but they're not actually say why because their heart so if the word that they're here they may have this mental ascent it does not take fruit in the heart who takes care of the heart and those who have the good heart who are those those are the ones that are saved and will continue to be saved will bear fruit would you say that those who heard it temporarily were saved because the question is if they were saved what about their heart you mean tell me they were saved and they did not have a good heart you mean tell me they were saved and their heart hadn't been regenerated you mean tell me they were saved and they did not bear fruit is that what we're saying well no I don't think so but if a person disagrees that is fine tell me if I have exegeted Luke 8 properly where did I go wrong who are those four different groups and oh by the way which one are you