 with that tiktok conversation of mine we got to play that uh steve lacy clip oh yeah which was bruh oh man i thought this was so amazing in the wrong way the way nobody send the next verse embarrassing as all right so yeah man that uh but to me one we already know like tiktok is literally the most extreme version of just hearing snippets of a song right but we've always had that experience but before tiktok there's plenty of songs that you know that because they were so big and it's not even like your particular bag but you know the song because it was like an old school song or it was just a massive pop song in a different genre and you know like oh yeah i know that song you don't know it know it so tiktok puts that out there but hey first of all they're at your show so you still got the bag right the wind is still there every time an artist decides to shut the hell up and put the mic out there it's a risk period i was just at uh one music festival and it was like the GZ set and it was one of his b sides and i heard part of the chorale get quiet some people knew it but it was part of the chorale like i don't care who you are there's always the risk there so one hey bro it just is what it is that's that's the part of the risk that you take when you do that but two is tiktok ruining music do you feel like that goes to tiktok or what no i think i think that's more of a reflection of just steve no not steve steve's fault bro i ain't gonna put it on steve i ain't gonna put it on steve bro hey that went me bro i'll fuck with you i'll fuck with you i was just trying to bait him into something else i think it's more of a reflection of just consumer behavior you know i don't know i don't want to get too technical into it i don't feel like i have the degrees to get too technical into it but where people have kind of evolved to many short attention span people you know we all don't pay attention to things for too long and that isn't super shocking to me because i feel like if the ringtone era was still around like ringtone makes me think of that right like remember that shit bro it's like you you buy the shit because you knew 20 seconds of it you know what i'm saying then the rest of it started playing you like oh that's the part where i hang up so i don't even need to worry about that you know what i'm saying like so i don't even need to learn the rest of this so i think like i don't know i think people like looking for something to blame because i don't i don't feel like anything at this point can truly ruin music like music is so big but it would take a very powerful entity it would be like drake bad bunny and Olivia Rodrigo just banding together for a greater evil little society you know what i'm saying to bring down the music industry and that probably still won't fucking do it you know what i'm saying so it's like i don't think these things ruin the music industry i think they they uh they show artists a side of user behavior that i used to sing because i think well especially a lot of newer artists are gonna have to understand is that like you are a part of a cultural phenom that's not going to be understood for another like five to ten years you know what i'm saying we we can look back on the ringtone shit and say she and dissect it and break down why it should work bro nobody's gonna understand now for like another five or ten years right so it's like you're a part of it so you are going to see things and be a part of things that on paper do not make sense to you you know what i'm saying because nothing has ever come along so i really show this in that that type of way before so i feel like like you said bro they had to show they probably bought merch you know what i'm saying they probably they probably went home and talked about how great of a time they had maybe even listen to the rest of the catalog maybe that was i opened that moment for all of them they all went like damn i should go listen to the rest of this the rest of this song and forgot the words for it i don't know what come out of that shit but it's like bro you you won at least for what most artists are looking for came to the show they knew the song enough to come to the show spend some money now it's up to you as an artist to i think keep them interested enough so they care to learn the rest of the song the rest of the catalog that's the part right there bro because this is your job right at the end of the day we gotta remember this is your job so yes it will be nice to the fans listen to everything but one day they're at your show we keep repeating that part back because it's so hard to get people to your show and that's money that you're getting exchanged for that relationship so one it's your job for the music to be good enough that people want to listen to more of it because let's be real some of these songs that part is the part yeah that's it it ain't nothing else like so you don't deserve for them listen to the whole thing i don't feel that way about steve shit i really really fuck with that last project but like still they are at the show it's your job to put on a hell of a performance so people like just rock with you in the future and they follow your next thing that experience was so great so i want to come to him um to his next show i want to go listen to the rest of the project like give them an experience or perform that song so good and now they want to go listen to it you know in their own room and now they're associated with that moment so if you can like just stay humble with it yeah and keep putting in that work you understand matter of fact gary v does this he's always good at getting ahead of this stuff and playing that game like you ever seen gary v when gary v was already gary v to you right he'll go into a room and he was like i know half the room doesn't know me like who doesn't know me up here right and he'll see oh yeah i'm glad and i love that shit you know gary right yeah it'd be like all right and then my job is to like you know basically yeah when you over right i know i seem like a sales uh a snake oil salesman da da da da right but this is my job to keep staying consistent you might not even like me now but eventually you see this stuff play out and say gary's a dope individual and he's already got millions of followers right that's the mentality that an artist really has to has to go at it with all right that's kind of why kanye still like he i think it comes from a slightly more insecure place but that's why he goes like so hard still where i think he's aware of the lack of awareness of him like he has this thing where he wants to dominate and continue to make people acknowledge him in the way that he wants to be acknowledged right you know better or worse just you know that's a whole another conversation i ain't trying to have today but the fact is the impact is the same you continue to get known continue to get talked about and the growth continues to happen yeah and two to like the point you made i think about there's different types of people that that come to these shows right so you have your your dahar fans which is it's not like it wasn't anybody in the crowd not singing the words they were drowned out by the people that didn't know so you have your fans you were drowned out by silence well i mean people were still singing they just were singing the hook you know what i'm saying like but it's like you got the fans you got maybe a sudo fan like i know the song enough so maybe i want to go and then you got the people that probably don't really know who you are their friend probably brought them maybe they've kind of heard of you before it was like walking past the venue and saw the line out sounds like oh this is pretty great that would probably not see like his tickets are probably sold out but you know but you have these different groups and i think like i don't know one thing i wish i would have saw him do in that clip and maybe it did happen but i feel like he should have stopped the crowd and been like he should have acknowledged it but he should have been like yo like i see everybody in the room doesn't know all the words so look i'm like to teach it to y'all real quick and then we gonna start this shit back from the top that's that next level performance skills yeah crazy bro like it flipped the flip the moment so i wish he would have did that but i mean he's not out here like ranting about it so it means handling it well you know what i'm saying yeah because that was his fan page i thought that was him at first but that's like a fan page yeah but hey you know like on the other side going back to the beginning of the pod man we could have could have made this a way bigger viral moment y'all should be pushing that you know what i'm saying yeah that could be a whole thing and that could start an industry conversation and people you know like i could see that being pushed and having its own organic effect period i was kind of having a moment on twitter that's what i saw at first i think i was dropping yeah yeah that was the link it's not viral enough though he gotta give it the attention that's not or his team needs to like drop it on some meme pages that could become a legit conversation again it's tiktok ruining music but centered around his shit he still gets the attention so um you know look this tiktok thing i get that it's his own beast and it brings like jacquory said or i think that was a really good point this is a moment that no one understands right now people probably aren't going to understand it for a good four or five years so just know that this is the time that you're in yeah so you can't really make any wrong moves because there's no there's no wrong move exactly i mean that's that's not true but please you only made so many wrong moves you know and then going back but it's the long game but it's like these fans gonna grow up you give them a good show a good experience a good performance they're gonna stick around man they'll learn the words eventually then you know going back to what i was saying about call the ray unless you plan on quitting anytime soon then you're gonna be good bro they have no other words in the next show