 Recording is on Because going back to the search like a case right I think We would need to add as Jerry's last time but you'll work with him for longer But like I think one of the issues with a with the brain curse has is that you search in any search engine And it's not very discoverable. Yeah So and I could totally imagine and I've seen this evening like in the small experiment the hour I were like we have different styles my study maybe of nodding is maybe closer to Jerry's in some sense Because I'm very lean driven and like it's not like just we killings and and there's people who just write like an essay and And I think that what I'm interested in is like the combination of the two. Yeah, then a complementary styles. Yeah There's another that there's a direction there where If you just take Jerry's brain and put it into HTML or markdown or whatever You you still like a Google wouldn't care too much because it cares a lot more about the content than the titles So then you can imagine doing something to as as you transform it over Do something to add value? I guess I would do it with an AI now Where you take the the the local graph from this page And you say, you know, this is a page about People that have been inspired, you know, and it includes these people So you could actually write some pros around that Right, it's actually the clustering of several and then you assemble like a page that isn't looks more like a page Yes, yeah, and at this point I would flesh that out with AI You know, I would have an AI write pros Right, which which which thinking about it Google is really quickly going to be Reducing ranking for AI output If if if we if they or we can detect it if they can detect it. Yes. Yes, which is like a And clear I think that the time to say like oh, it must be watermarked or something. I think that has probably passed already Yeah Yeah, I don't know All all I know is I know very little about the topic But I do know that somebody said oh, I've run a chat GPT to Detector on sorry a GPT to detector on chat GPT output And it's still it still finds it pretty well Okay, you're but you're right at some point, you know, if the chat output looks like people it's it's hard to watermark text It is very hard. It is harder when People start writing like Yeah So money is so much, you know, I'm just to be the actually one of the interesting well many things It has these tendency to write like lists which are like five items long Yeah, you know, you can like like write a shallow detector for that or like, you know, there's responses Sort of like our social like an essay usually, you know, like yeah, and you can take that but then again like, you know That's your style and yeah, yeah Yeah But yeah, but you could totally imagine I guess, you know, this is where like so for the hour right now What I was I mean right now is like just knows are like context And that's just like context described. I know so it's like, you know, so you could imagine like So and in that sense, you know, I think you know the Jerry Jerry's brains case I could imagine they're taking like this different nose on all these visionaries and somehow like a You know find this common pattern and offering all of those in like visionaries of computer science or something right So right now it's all manual which is why we have the the transcription the directives where you Write these index pages or something where you're like visionaries and then you just pull, you know, one of those and so But yes, the idea and we actually run some test training GPT three fine tune it with the three on with API on our notes And they sort of like started doing this Yes, but like yeah The question of course is that so to which extent dice I will fit for something that Materializes into like a wiki There's something that is actually a search. Yeah But in any case having at least the primitives, you know, I think that's yeah, I want me to say look I seem that a post risk database. Yeah, I was I was thinking if you've got time so Next week I Maybe what you should do is visit if you can visit the FJB call They what? There's a free of every week. There's a free Jerry's brain call. It's called. Yeah, never been there. Yeah, okay So I need I need to put my share in order essentially Or I'm gonna just it's not going well But I yes, I should I would like to check it out and Also a massive wiki Like yeah, that wiki has a call two hours earlier. Yeah That means if you were job, but the other job, but yes and like And also, I guess I wanted I wanted to go to one of our work on enhanced sessions as well for real So for We're like a fed wiki call, right? Yeah, you know for the the fed wiki Crew has a pretty good chat channel on matrix if you just if you just going that you get a lot of you know a lot of Yeah, they talk about in the calls. I am there. I haven't read it in months. It's like Maybe we need to have like a tree structure where like some of us read jazz and then the report and We do we should do that But anyway, well very interesting stuff Thank you T Yeah, I guess that's that's that's that's all I have if you if you want to Without getting the whole process database if you want to play around with the the data Let me share my screen I wonder I wonder how this is gonna work sharing my screen and recording Oh brain I see mean brain has kind of an interesting history I Bentley posted something About how How how you could tap into the API stuff for the brain and then I wrote a little app called mean brain Which implemented it and then mark and twan Took that and enhanced it a lot added the postgres back end and things like that and Bentley's also got a version Which is kind of a front end of this called brainy McBrain face But anyway This happens to be looking at I didn't name that by the way That was Pete and Jerry Go ahead Sorry, sorry Bentley Um This happens to be going against a different brain Mike Trexler's climate web, but anyway if you go to mean brain that conversions it'll it'll default to Jerry's brain and then There's a Yeah, I was wondering if I could kind of reverse engineer how to to get the extras out of this I think So this is software You're looking for the Jason version of that page Yeah There's and there's two ways to get it. There's one of them is just the content type So if you hit this URL with a con content type request application Jason, you'll get back Jason I think that's the way it works There's also a But is it like a dumping process that is running or is this just an actual so So this software the brain itself has kind of a very simple it's not really even an API, but they have You know rest compatible ways. It's not rest It's just an endpoint where you can say I want to look at that I want this thought and I want different parts of this thought so Mean brain has ended up being essentially a read-through cache So Mark and Twan's Postgres Has each of these nodes cached and then he's got a 24-hour timeout on the read-through cache part If it's if it's been read within the past 24 hours, it'll just read from the Postgres If it's not within the past 24 hours, it'll actually go hit the live data And then on top of that The brain Will do as you can do a backup backup of it to Jason So you can also get a dump of the whole thing in Jason Mark and Twan's written an importer for that so he can feed the the whole Postgres cache with With a saved version of the you know a backup version So So actually it ends up being that you kind of want to use Mark and Twan's API to get data from that unless you really want the raw Postgres data and Mark and Twan could give you the raw Postgres database too But he's done a fair amount of work in that there's there's a bunch of stuff That's not useful in the data that Through the mean brain interface Cool, okay. Thank you. Oh, yeah, you're welcome I'm afraid to yeah, I've been clicking him to a few notes and like I Mostly see siblings and no notes, which I guess it probably has to do with the yes It's more like a sparse graph of the entities not meaning to each other. Well Jerry just doesn't have notes But if you if you go to climate web, it has Every every thought has a note Right, so and siblings. What would siblings mean here? It's just like things linking to this place Because it has children family. Do you know that more than I do? Yeah, I mean And do you want to demo? McBrain face or I got ahead to another meeting Yeah, if you think about things Having parents and children's the sibling is just anything that's related that that's not a parent, you know, it's not a No, not a not within the collection of its parent and is not Collected by itself. So it's just things that are kind of related Like if you're looking at a book and you see and you go down to the author Oh, yeah, I'm trying to remember how he does it if you're on a book