 They do one where they the parents get together, and they do it in a parking lot for preschool students Candy map I was on the candy map. Yeah The church over here does it and I think that's why we don't get a lot on the street It's cuz kids go to the church and the parents go to the church, and then you just walk around the church gym It's not quite same. I'm hoping that whatever we get We don't get any teenagers who get upset because we don't put enough of the good candy out and TP my lawn Teenagers, I mean that's why you give out toothpaste How how late how late in life do you trick-or-treat? Trick-or-treat is a teen Actually, I do I do remember Well the in sabastopol it was like there were like cool neighborhoods, you know where you get dropped off and like trick-or-treat And then you're playing a player and I remember the year that a friend of mine We were it was we were in high school, but we weren't driving yet So we were probably freshman mm-hmm remember kind of both of us looking at each other and being like we're a little old Little now Candy that was the end of yeah, I was just we just sort of felt like we're kind of taking us I don't remember the last I think maybe sixth grade was last trick-or-treat. I Feel like there was things going on at school trick-or-treat times dances school I think I remember my first was in middle school middle school like Halloween party at a friend's house in her basement and Yeah, I do not remember being sad that I couldn't treat the closet and stuff And it was like oh this is bad. I remember I got put in the closet with a boy And we just stood there and looked at each other and we're like Did you know each other we knew each other like casually and like did not make out at all We're just like okay. This is over yet. It's like how long do we have to stand here? So what are you doing after this? You go and trick-or-treat him. No, okay Anyway, I probably would have made out with him if you wanted to But he didn't how you tell it I don't remember anymore I don't even remember and he's listening right now and we have him on the line Is oh I'm already at 84% I better plug in hold on I told you shoot This is a universal principle. You will you should never rely on battery power if you've thinking if you've thought about it Thinking about it. I'm at 75% I'm not plugged in what's that you're not plugged into power not right now. I Can't be I'm not far away from being plugged in but I'm not plugged in I don't know It's just universal principle of mine is like if you can plug into power plug into power because I've never had my battery Crap out when I was plugged in charging But I'm sure I'm being an old man Well, no if we've moved beyond kerosene power just laptops Tom Kerosene powered there were kerosene powered laptops. Okie-dokie. I Have the power everybody's got the power now The power now Sarah was on battery power to I'm plugged in gotta keep Tom happy because naggy old Tom Was worried about everybody's battery going out now now we're gonna have something weirder happen because I I'm pretty sure That I could get through the show But you're right, you know what I'm a hundred percent sure you will now Well now I really for sure well, yes I mean you could have a pleasure and just watch and then you can plug it back in You really want it doesn't it there, you know what? I'm going to all right. All right fine. We've it's literally next to my hand. Yeah. Yeah, so that yeah I think bad's gonna happen. That's a responsible test All right. Are you guys ready? I'm ready Yeah Yes, here we go What's that you want to give back some value for the value you get out a daily tech news show No problem. Just had the daily tech news show comm slash support to find out how This is the daily tech news for Monday October 23rd 2017 I'm Tom Merritt at our DT NS headquarters in LA and from the beach aka studio feline. I'm Sarah Lane Do I do an intro for myself? Yes, you do. That's the new way told me that Did it last time? I don't remember. I'm Veronica Belmont here inside a Someone's weird house that I Snuck into and they're getting fumigated. Maybe maybe you're breaking bad Of Roger Chang is here as well to produce the show. Thank you Roger. You're welcome. Let's start with a few tech things you should know Cisco is buying worldwide communication software provider broadsoft for $1.9 billion once the buyouts finish broadsoft employees will become Cisco unified communications technology group employees under the applications group This story might sound familiar because it's been going on for a while Samsung is challenging whether it should be find based on total profit or percentage of profit for infringing apples design patents Judge Lucy co of the northern district of California gave the parties until October 25th to propose a date for a retrial Still happening. Yeah, Microsoft announced the first 13 backwards compatible original Xbox games for the Xbox one will be available Tuesday October 24th The 13 games will be playable by anyone who owns them or available for purchase for ten dollars in the Xbox digital store Not all 13 might be available. I was kind of unclear on that, but I don't have any of these And here's some more top stories over the weekend Android Central's Alex Dobie At least he's the first one on Twitter to start talking about this But a few other people jumped in as well report it seeing screen burn in or at least some kind of ghosting image retention on the Navigation buttons on review units of the Google Pixel 2 So if you made the screen gray, you could still kind of see the faint outline of the navigation buttons down there at the bottom Now Google says it is actively Investigating the issue although OLED screens do tend to get burned in over time. It should take months or years not a week Yeah, it's not a especially with review units, you know, it's not the first thing you want. Yeah, and like Ghosting is usually an LCD problem not an OLED problem So a lot of people are assuming that this is burn in but even the burn doesn't make any sense either at such a short time interval And I'm you know as as fun as it is to throw rotten fruit at companies when they screw up I imagine Google tested for this kind of thing with their OLED screen So I am very interested in what is causing this whether it's kind of a quirk of the Operating system or if it is some kind of ghosting weird ghosting thing on OLED which can happen even though it's rare Do you guys have a guess? Cuz it's Halloween coming up Yeah, I think that you now you put it that way that has to be what it is. It's just a Halloween promotion by Google Google In other Google news, this is better news Anyway, Google's rolling out pay with Google on Android devices The feature lets you use credit cards or debit cards that you've already hooked up to Google products like Chrome or Google pay or Android pay or YouTube or something where you've purchased something Using a Google product in the past pay with Google is currently available with 15 merchants including Airbnb StubHub Postmates Few companies I'd heard of and a few that I hadn't with more really now in the future Google first announced the Google pay API feature at its IO event back in May and doesn't take a transaction fee on purchases Well, that's nice. Yeah. Yeah This is I'm gonna go old man merit on this one and like why are they why do they limit these things to? Android I Mean I understand Google wanting you to use Android for their system. That's fine But if I'm on the web and I'm using Postmates or StubHub especially StubHub I could see myself using StubHub on the web. Why can't I pay with Google pay there? I find that I'm using PayPal quite a bit for that kind of thing these days, especially online merchants More so maybe then then food stuff But you know, it's always good to have other options But it is kind of annoying for the merchants to have to decide which ones to enable on their sites Decide which is the best to go with and by the way, I'm not giving Apple pay a pass on this I have the same problem that they do where it's like, oh, you're not on an iPhone that you can't use Apple pay. I'm like, well, why? Kaspersky lab is launching a transparency initiative which will let independent third parties review its source code and business practices Kaspersky has been accused of allowing its code to be compromised for intelligence gathering Kaspersky says it will open three Transparency centers in the US Europe and Asia and will allow independent parties to develop security controls for how it processes data Uploaded from its customers. It will also expand its bug bounty program to a maximum award of $100,000 up from five thousand So this is what Kaspersky should do. This is what they should say but They haven't done it yet and and a lot of the proof is in the pudding of like, okay, which experts are you gonna let? Look at your source code The the stronger move would be to just open source old versions of the software that are in, you know From the time of the controversy, you know Israel was saying like hey Vulnerability and Kaspersky software was being used to steal secrets from the NSA We watched it happen if Kaspersky said here. Here's the source code for that Let us show you that we didn't build this in But I understand that that doesn't really help with modern stuff So you want to get people to buy your modern stuff So you want to give code review, but maybe you don't want to give open source code, although that's more secure I mean a bigger move would be Kaspersky just open sourcing all their stuff and saying here validated everybody Are they even redeemable at this point? I mean, yes, I think they absolutely are really Yeah, I would never buy any of their products. No, I feel like this is a witch hunt. I May be wrong. I may be absolutely wrong But there is no evidence that Kaspersky has done anything wrong other than be Russian All along the way, they've said no, we we don't cooperate with anyone. You're saying that the vulnerability was a vulnerability Software gets vulnerabilities, right and people exploit it. That's you know that can happen It doesn't prove that they colluded Right. I want to know what a transparency center looks like would be all glass It's sort of like yeah, is it a physical place that we're going to? Yeah, like a lab is it like a call center. I'm sure it's yeah I'm sure it's just an office where people can come in and sit down and be like, okay We didn't want to let the code out the lab, but you can look at everything here in the transparency center So a big big jump in the bug bounty. I mean five thousand. Yeah, like a hundred thousand dollars. Yeah Interesting gonna get people looking for bucks. Well, and that they're trying to show like no really we don't want there to be vulnerabilities We will pay people who find them, you know, we can't control who finds what? And so you can see if people say hey, I found this vulnerability and they didn't want to pay me So we'll pay you. I I really think Kaspersky is being Put it this way I'm not ruling out the possibility that Kaspersky is guilty of the things that people are assuming they're guilty of But it's all assumptions and it's pretty much all the exact same kind of things that you could accuse any other security company of Just happens to Kaspersky's Russian. So people say oh, well, they're Russian So they must be doing it and I I would like to see I would like this. This is what I want to see I want to see people look through their source code Independently and say well, you know what there's some suspicious things or I don't know It seems like it's fine and it will very much depend on who they get and who they allow to do this That's what I think. Yes US FBI director Christopher Ray said the agency was able to unlock encryption on about half of the 14,000 or so devices that the FBI targeted in an 11th month period now That smacks of cherry picking when you have an 11 month period instead of a 12 month period However, mr. Ray was speaking at the International Association of Chiefs of Police at a it's a conference of Philadelphia on Sunday He was spinning it as there are 7,000 that we didn't Break through the encryption, but works both ways like this is this is a lot of encryption being broken What do you guy? I mean we've gone over this topic a bunch of times But encryption is going to happen whether you allow a backdoor or not Let's say tomorrow Apple just doesn't put encryption on any of their phones. That doesn't stop people from encrypting those phones right sort of odd Well, yeah, that's cherry picking you're saying, you know, I'm wondering like if it was a 12 month period Would it be less than half what it would they have been able to crack into more of them possibly because encryption has gotten better implementations over the years But I definitely I don't know You guys are like I got nothing. I got nothing. Sorry, you know, we don't want back doors, right? No No Do we have a list of the like 14,000 device? You know, it's like, okay Well, I mean I'd be curious the percentage break down. Yeah. Yeah, like what's the span? I mean what if it was 14,000 of the same phone or you know, how many different devices are we talking about here? That's it's just it's almost like we need more information. Yeah, we do need more information and but in the end For me, this is the principle that my opinion on this is based on Anybody who wants to hide something from the government can encrypt it and you can't stop them. It's math So, yeah, there's an argument to be made that if you put a back door On phones, some criminals will not take the proper precautions because hey security is hard convenience Trump's security And and so maybe you'll be able to catch a few more. I'm not convinced That it is the most effective way to go about it considering that it then weakens Security for everybody else for the people who really do need the assistance to say no, you really should be encrypting this It's almost like they don't Understand that there are legitimate reasons for security and encryption Yeah, they certainly don't like feels that way to me that they're just like why would you even need this? And I'm like you'll work for the FBI. Why would you think we don't need this? It's not that they I honestly don't I think they do understand it's just inconvenient for them Well, they can have it both ways. I mean exactly, but it's it is it is So the bigger issue that gets raised in this is because it's now becoming more of a political issue and with the debate being as kind of you know You know being framed as well, we can't catch these bad guys because The apples and the Googles of the world won't give us the ability to access all these evil people's phones I mean if that, you know, it's it's one of those things that you know They build the the discussion gets framed or the debate gets framed in a way where you remove the you remove the element of Everyone else's privacy being less secure For the ability for law enforcement to you know do what they they think they should be able to do with people's personal data Yeah, well, but that assumes that it's like oh, okay if you work in law enforcement, then you always do everything, right? And we know that's not true either. Yeah, well and Having some friends in law enforcement. I I get their side of this which is Having encryption on everybody's phones makes it harder Because then there is no doubt that even the dumbest criminal has their data encrypted And it's harder and harder to break this in as it gets more well implemented and I'm sympathetic to that But my question is always How much if all of the phones now have a backdoor how many more new cases of theft? Are you going to be dealing with because of that because you made it easier to break in and and how many of these cases that? Look easy if you were only able to get into the phone would actually pay off a lot of times You get into the phone and you don't get any intelligence that you couldn't have got otherwise Granted cultivating sources and going undercover is way more difficult than having a backdoor into a phone I totally understand that Well speaking of phones guys I've got some good news and that is that the essential phone just got cheaper The company slashed its price by 200 bucks making it $499 that's an off-contract and unlocked phone So if you already bought the essential phone for the previously higher price, you get a friends and family credits There's a different Different credits that they have on their website, which is valid through December 15th So you don't feel like you paid a bunch of money that you didn't have to pay The deal only applies to customers in the US for now But the company says they're putting together a deal for Canadian customers as well You follow as a US customer of the essential phone I would like to say that my review of this changes dramatically at $499 Before I was saying it's a really good phone, but it's $699. I don't know at $499 You should definitely consider this phone if $499 was the upper limit of your budget Check out the essential phone. It is a very well done phone The weaknesses around the camera have mostly been fixed by software updates. It's solid It works. Well the fingerprint unlock on the back is super fast Can't say enough nice things about this phone of $499 However as a customer who paid $699 Getting $200 to use at your store that has two products that I already own Not so much of the benefit money back. Give me my money back. Yeah, I mean I mean, I know there's gonna be more modules coming out Maybe this will I'll want to buy one of those with this but It's different like give me a $200 gift certificate at the Microsoft store, and I'm like, you know what? There's stuff in there. I want that's cool. Give me $200 at the essential store Give me $200. Just give me $200. Give me the cash. Please. I haven't even taken an Amazon credit. Whatever. It wouldn't do that No But That's an interesting thought. Is there somebody that the essential phone people Would partner with like I don't know their former Google co-workers, perhaps Now they're essential in the pixel or too much competition. That's To get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, don't forget we have daily tech headlines at daily tech headlines Dot-com you can subscribe to it as a podcast You can get it on the Amazon echo as a flash briefing and it's also available through the Google home and on the anchor app Which you can find at anchor dot FM and that's a look at our top stories It is a fan mail Monday, which means we have a few more of your messages to get through than usual So we're going right into that and we'll talk a little more about each one of them The first one comes in response to my weekly patreon column last week My weekly patreon column was about what I wanted from a music service Which is basically I want to create my own little radio station with rotations So like you know hot hits that wrote that that I can pull it and out faster and then classics that I never change teaglass wrote iTunes will let you create a folder and then you can add multiple playlists to that folder You can drill into the playlist or play songs from the folders to hear songs from all the playlists in that folder Works in iTunes not sure if it carries over to the mobile app Apparently it does not the only problem with that is iTunes Yeah, I mean and and apparently Spotify has a similar thing a couple of people wrote in and said oh and Spotify You can create folders and you put your playlists in the folder and then you could shuffle amongst all of them I'm like yeah, but can I do that on the Spotify app? And they're like oh no you definitely cannot cannot do that on the Spotify app like okay But I I listen to music on my phone So I need this to work on my phone for it to work at all How in the world is there a feature to add a folder that won't Translate to the app that has all the same. That's very bad. You are let me just say folks if you're like Oh, no, this is how you do it on iTunes and it sinks over to Apple music. Let me know. Maybe I'm missing it But yeah, they just didn't they're just didn't feel like enough people use that feature to bother adding it into the app is my guess Well, they might have a point there And this is the thing and I was very clear about this in my column. I am probably the only one who wants to do this Right, but it doesn't seem like it should be that difficult of a thing for it to do Yeah, I don't know. I mean I'm I'm so far from so far from the playlist world I love playlists on Spotify that I will never go back to iTunes. So to me it's just But when you say I love playlist on Spotify, you mean the ones they give you both. Yeah I mean I subscribe to user playlists. I subscribe to Spotify playlist. I subscribe to ones they build for me I make I sometimes make my own not very often Yeah, just lazy enough to like just want to find something close to what I'm looking for I'm not only swimming against the tide of Tom's one of the only people that wants to manage his own little mini radio station playlist But also hey, I people don't want to do playlists anymore. They just they just want to get the playlist that are recommended Well, it's it's it's it's kind of like the the reason that people still listen to the radio It's like yeah, I too much choice and then I'm crippled by it and I'm like, I don't know what to listen to I don't even know what I like But if I just sort of choose a genre and I have Apple music user and then it's it's the right kind of music Then I'm happy. I'm actually happier that way. I do Choosing my own playlist is like never quite good enough. Hmm. I don't yeah, I do that sometimes on Google play music I will pick the the the cheery pick me up music or the Saturday afternoon Yeah, I actually have a weird whenever there's a song that I just really like it's it's terrible habit It's like I use a playlist as kind of just a bookmark So I actually do have a playlist one with an Apple music where I just put stuff that I like want to remember So it's a it's a useless playlist because it's all over the place Yeah, unless it's just a playlist of like things that I like, but there's no rhyme or reason to the stuff that's in there Anyway, thanks Yeah, a little history little history book playlist got another email from Mike keeper This is in response to our latest bonus episode this month. We were talking about social networks Mike says you didn't mention Google plus a few people actually noted that they are Google plus users And we just breezed right past Google plus which is alive and well In our analyst slack Mike wrote I still use Google plus a lot There are several active communities that I belong to that are very active and post a lot of comments I'm not on Facebook. So Google plus is my substitute. I don't care much for Twitter Although I do check it every day briefly just to see what's being posted. I mostly browse for tech news I rely mainly on you Tom to summarize it for me and point me towards the sources to check out in-depth Thanks for all that you do I I Don't know what to make of Google plus for a long time. I defended it like no, there are people there I see them commenting to me, but these days. I don't see any comments to Google plus To be fair. I also don't post on Google plus and usually you have to post somewhere to get comments But yeah, it's been a while since I used Google plus with any regularity. It was very active at first And I liked it. I thought it was I sort of thought it was like the second coming of social networks like yeah, this is what we wanted the whole time and and You know what I found was the comments got weirder They didn't so much fall off, but they became spammy and just sort of like totally even know who was reading my stuff anymore there Yeah, I I belonged to a couple of groups I belong to like the podcasters group and and things like that and they just got very like super self-promotional and The comments like you said got very very spammy for me And maybe this is just our experience is like, you know being on like the promoted list or whatever it is and just being part of a wider audience Maybe if if you're not like that it's a lot more tailored to you and it makes a lot more sense But I I don't know if I just didn't set it up correctly or didn't use it properly or stopped using it I don't know. I totally forgot it existed. I'm sorry to say I feel like it's at it's It's end days Friendster Orchid kind of situation where there are people using it If you are a member of that group you still love it because you're all in there having your conversation But it no longer has the widespread like cross group use that it used to And there are people on Google plus and yeah, there's there's definitely the Google plus sort of like hey wait a second like Don't you know don't diss the network that I like the best it works perfectly fine It's there's nothing wrong with Google plus. I just don't know who I'm going to talk to it's not filling a void for me right now It's not it's not doing something for me that I need And I'm curious what's gonna happen to it too like I'm always like I don't know where that's going Is that gonna still be around? I don't know Google doesn't really seem to have it as a high priority Yeah, hopefully doesn't go the way of wave Hello DTNS coffee shops and libraries are some of my favorite places to work But I'm not usually able to make those places. So cofifity cofifity cofitivity cofitivity Please coffee shop background sounds a lot of the sounds were recorded in some amazing coffee shops here in Richmond, Virginia Check it out cofifity comm cofitivity cofitivity I don't know who this is from actually I don't have a name on it's from Damien. Okay. Yeah. Oh, no wait Damien is in the next one. Sorry It's from a ghost Came from a ghost I'm a ghost Was that cofitivity playing in the background just there? I think it was yes I felt very relaxed like I could concentrate. Well, it's it's I'm sorry. It's very interesting It literally does the the background ambient noise of a coffee shop desmond. That's my I like um, I use nozeo Which you can combine lots of different kinds of background noises So they have a coffee shop one, but then you can combine it with like a rainstorm So you're like in a in a coffee shop where a rainstorm is happening outside Or you can have like wales. So you'd be like in a coffee shop with wales Or you can be with wales in a rainstorm. That's distracting. Yeah So it's like you can combine all these peaceful things into like a weird abstract like no wales are just distracting You were distracting Talk smack on wales Beautiful I mean beautiful singing songs sound beautiful, but they they do command attention If they knock you out of what you if you needed What do you talk? When are you just like doing stuff and wales distract you roger? What is this life you have they're like, oh wales I used to work at the I used to work at pier 39. There was a store that used down Oh, they played wales and it's just really distracting. I mean I'm a pretty lovely animal talk about like millennials. He's like just walking down the street. It's just Have you noticed they never use sounds? There's no edm or trans music that samples whale noise. Oh, you are gonna be so proven wrong in about 30 seconds Feedback at dailytechno.com There is edm featuring whale sounds. I would I would bet money on that myself If if you say that something doesn't exist Someone will find it. Yeah, someone's gonna watch it. Someone's gonna make it They're gonna take a dead mass track and they're gonna drop humpback whales all over it All right, let's let's get to our our last message here, which actually has some useful information Not the confidivity itself wasn't useful. That was very useful. Yeah, uh, damien. This is damien now It was desmond before this is damien damien said tom mentioned two factor key generators are stuck to a phone Last pass is key generator can back the keys up to your last pass account So if you move phones, you just restore it Several other people pointed out that aughty has cloud syncing as well And I found out google authenticator can be set up on multiple devices if you start from scratch Have you guys not run into that? Um, hold on Where you need Yeah, that happened to me with the um the authenticator for for blizzard actually the uh The the blizzard authenticator gave me a little hard time when at one time when I switched phones But that's whenever I test a new phone like the essential phone. I'm always like, oh crap I now I have to you know, my authenticator is on the other phone um So i'm here's the thing though anytime you do this you are weakening The strength of the authenticator because the idea is it's something you have And no one else can have And as soon as you've made two of them well now you can have one but somebody else could possibly have the other one That's true. Unless you're wiping your phone. I mean it should it's it's almost like it should know that the phone another phone has been cleared out Yeah That that Is authorized Last pass, uh, but if your phone got stolen, you know, I don't know well if my phone got stolen. I would do a remote wipe Maybe they got to it before you got to the wipe before you realized come at me come at me last pass and uh anothe both to uh, you know They have very good explanations of the security they take to protect your backups so that even they can't see them but but You're backing it up in the cloud. So that's true If you're one of those trust no one people then that's not going to be for you But might be good to know for some people Hey, thanks sir. Oh Yes, sorry What I was going to say tom and i've been fighting for years over last pass and one password We try to share passwords back and forth for things. Oh, yeah That's a whole other situation. Yeah, when I when I decided to when when I started DTNS tom was like got last pass account, right? And I was like last pass Thank you. All right, we can share passwords. Good. Fine. Fine. You two just have a little password sharing party over there Uh, thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit whether your last pass One password vim emacs, you're all welcome. It takes all kinds takes all kinds Submit your stories and vote on of a daily tech news show dot reddit.com and uh, like you heard We get posted in our facebook group as well. Go check that out facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Now our dear friend, Nate Langston is back doing, uh, the text message podcast with ian morris And here's what they're talking about this week Thanks, tom this week one of britain's biggest retailers stopped selling a brand of gps small watches After a consumer advocacy group reported that the devices could be hacked to snoop on children We go into the detail plus I recently managed to use up 65 gigabytes of 4g data in a week during my honeymoon Yeah, I was surprised too So we've got a big section about what i'm calling the sync sync or the syncing of your data plan Thanks to device synchronization processors. It's not nearly as nerdy as it sounds Actually, it is but if you like that sort of thing give episode 109 of text message illicit now at tech podcast dot UK back to you that is a bigger and bigger deal like I had this on the plane where I bought uh a while back I bought like 100 megabytes or whatever instead of a time frame and I'm like, oh crap. I got to turn everything off if I'm gonna use this so Yeah, check that out tech podcast dot u k Thank you for on a cabel mod as always. What do you got going on? You can always check out my day job at grow bot dot i o I will pop up and ask you to give me any questions you may have in the bottom of the screen if you go to that website It's really you it's really me. Yeah, and I will immediately see it and respond to you So people have done it on the show before it's pretty funny. 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Why don't you our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com We are live monday through friday at 4 30 p.m eastern 2030 utc at alpha geek radio dot com And diamond club dot tv always nice to have the live people with us as well Our website is daily tech news show dot com back tomorrow with patrick beija talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frogpants.com I hope you have enjoyed this brover I love that cackle By the way, um, I was paying very close attention to my battery Through that the entire show and i'm right 56 percent. Oh nice. I only lost 20 percent Nice that's pretty efficient. How about that and you're streaming video, you know, so it wasn't like you were just, you know Using your word program Right in fact, I probably have more programs open than I should have but uh, yeah, yeah, but hey, you know living on the edge Nice. See but yet that safety net that's why it didn't crash If you hadn't had the cord nearby Some weird process would have launched halfway through Just saying I like the I like the testing though titles Going old man merit pixel two in afraid of no ghost Veronica thanks capersky is irredeemable tom disagrees Oh, it's all all of the Uh google pixel burns out The father the son and the pixel ghost burn in baby burn. Oh ld. Oh led inferno You're distracting the return of the patent wars Don't cast cusp versions on our antivirus software cusp versions Cusp versions Oikov a That's funny. Where'd it go? Where is it? Which one of the cusp versions? Oh, it's uh, num. Oh, it's uh That leaves to be higher. Yeah, it's where is it? Where is it? I can't find it. Hold on. No, you're distracting me. Uh, here. I'll vote it for it. No, it's no, it's num number three And below burn in baby burn. Oh led. Oh One of the four There's okay that I vote for it. Oh, I already voted for it. Okay Distracting whales. I like that. That's pretty funny What Green with you. Oh, yeah, how many whale techno, uh, links did we get in the chair room by the way? I'm not in the chat room Let me see. Where's my little window? See Looks like beatmaster Like I literally just googled whale sounds dance music and there's like Anya Whale song remix Yeah, but anya is not He is totally electronic music But she's not Whale song remix. I want sandstorm with whales is what I'm looking for Yeah, see like putting the whale in there makes a distracting So we're doing cusp versions is that yes, is that what I'm hearing? Oh, no No, no, never mind Hey, you I just heard two I was really hoping I know because I thought I understood something and I did not understand it properly. Is that a pre ooh Yeah, I am sure Pretty understanding Roger says you're welcome to I'm a shoe Sorry. Oh, it's a mail bag monday I just read your your description roger. Oh, what should I have titled it? No, no I I think that's better than I said fan mail monday Which is not an alliteration. I didn't tell I didn't tell someone to write into intercom By the way, I should have mentioned all my co-worker c every message that goes into intercom So be nice ronica told me to hashtag dtns Maybe I should remind them that I do a podcast during my working hours. Maybe you're promoting them. So that's it's okay You can only talk to me if I then see in your events feed that you have downloaded robot into slack. Ah That's that's that's the price you pay. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. That's fair Yeah So we're going don't cast cuss versions on our antivirus software. Yeah, that's funny done Okie dokie Well, do you need to get back to growing your bots? I do I do ain't gonna grow themselves Look how far I've come now that I'm in a podcast room at the office and like the audio No one can complain about my audio now. I mean, I'm sure they can but no. Yeah No I won't allow it. It's too good now. I liked it raw Do you order in today? I forgot. I forgot to wear it. I don't need tmi tmi tmi You can't I want to smell I shouldn't put that on the microphone for the next no because someone probably gonna say this makes I didn't touch the microphone. Just got close. Veronica. We're you next Bye Hi Well, I think mailbag Monday Is good. I like that Not that we have a bag Or that it was actually mail But it's an alliteration. Who doesn't love alliteration? I sure do I'm a big fan. Yep. It is. It's a good thing to be a fan of affection alliteration affection There's something very weird going on with my back when I stand for this show Really? If my back isn't hurting. Hey everyone, do you know the fact that dtna? Sorry. Is it uh, does it pop or make kind of weird? It's a pop. It's a back pop. Oh It's it's not painful. Um But it's like and I mean I stand I bet it only happens. It must be just sort of like there must be some Rigid way that I'm standing you might be popping back into place. Yeah, I'm wondering if it's a good thing like your body So so one of the things my physical therapist has me doing is these um These rolls where you put this roll behind your back and you that he calls them thoracic extensions um My thoracic vertebrae. We're so short that I wanted to have extensions So, um, no, that's not what it's for. It's just it's for stretching out your your vertebra and I feel like that's what's happening to you because your vertebrae just kind of stretching out and going oh This is we got some space got room to move Yeah, I do like the I'm going to assume it's a good thing Doesn't hurt right not at all. No, I mean besides the fact that I'm just you know, I'm a lazy person So I'm like I'm tired of standing but it's like no, I'm I'm not uncomfortable. I'm just like So used to sitting That do you see a chiropractor or have you like on a regular basis or no? No, I've never been to a chiropractor Because I No, no, I because every time I go my back is all popped back in the according to him Popped back in the shape. I don't Not that I can think of I don't think I've ever seen a chiropractor Even in the wild Well, I probably saw one. I just didn't know that they were a chiropractor The grocery store Yeah, outside of their chiropractor costume. How would I know? I do remember going this is such a weird memory guys. It's just I had forgotten all about it. I was I once I had a friend a childhood friend and for some reason Like the whole family Went to a chiropractor and like they all got adjusted and I was in the room with them Like, I don't know. Maybe like they were babysitting me or for the rest of the reason I was there I'm like one after another, you know, they all got adjusted and you heard all the cracking and everything and oh crazy Yeah, like it they didn't do it because it's like I you know that I was just sort of there as a as a observer, but Yeah, I remember thinking this is so strange like a family audience chiropractic family audience I used to go to a chiropractor in austin and then I stopped and I didn't notice any different it's That's kind of how I feel about acupuncture and um, I used to go once a week and I really liked it. Um, and I actually uh, it was like a insomnia thing. Oh, okay Yeah, like it wasn't like I was in pain physical pain, but it was it's it was more kind of like a mental wellness and it really helped and then I stopped going and I kept sleeping Uh-huh. I don't know, you know, well or or maybe you only needed to go a couple of times to fix it That could be started because it was I loved my acupuncturist. This was back in san francisco But it wasn't cheap, you know, and yeah, it was I was paying a lot of it wasn't covered by insurance Or it was only partially or something like that. So eventually I was like, um, I think I'm just going because I like it Not really because I need it So it's been a while but Yeah, same idea. I guess Interesting All right Well, our show is published. So thank you all for watching. Thank you Thank you Goodbye live people. Bye everyone. See you tomorrow. Is it tear you to my