 Oh, no, no, it's on those pages. It's looking good, but we're at this one. Is that page with the notes? Oh, yeah, that is. It's looking good. How's everyone doing? Ready for the last, almost the last day of the summit? Just halfway through. So halfway through, so I hope everyone's having a good time enjoying beautiful weather in Vancouver. This is my first time here. I'm told this is good weather for Vancouver, so not consistent weather, so that's great. It's beautiful here. So we're here to talk today about navigating the OpenStack ecosystem. You guys have all seen the expo out there. There's a lot of companies. What are they doing? What are they trying to accomplish? How do they fit into the big puzzle of OpenStack? So a little bit about Shriram and myself. I'm the VP of Operations for a company called Selenia. I work with our customers to help them, everything from selecting an OpenStack distribution, designing architectures, dev-up process transition, helping their entire lifecycle. And what we see during doing those types of projects is all the different components that fit in. You don't deploy technology sort of on its own, right? That's kind of the theme here. Prior to Selenia, I was in the product manager group at Cloud Scaling, which is now part of EMC. I'll let Shriram here introduce himself. Hi, I'm Shriram Subramanian. I have to disagree with Seth. Vancouver is great, but not as good as Seattle. I'm from Seattle, so cool. I'm a founder and principal cloud specialist at a firm called Cloud Dawn. I also go by Cloud Dawn. I've been part of the OpenStack community from Diablo days. My very first installation was on Cactus. And I write and talk about OpenStack. I've done a lot of system integration services. We do offer system integration services. I'm also a HPE Elian MAP. I'm a most valuable blogger at Dzone. Currently, I'm involved with the wind enterprise group efforts with an OpenStack. And also, I'm helping with the high availability guide efforts. Great. So we've got two quick slides just to make sure we pay homage to the people that brought us here, right? Selenia, it's a company I work for. We're focused on cloud computing, like I said, helping customers across many vertical industries, helping work in financial services, media as well. Our team has been involved in OpenStack since the initial release, written components of the flavor code, things like that. We work with both public and private clouds worldwide, customers in Asia, Europe, as well as North America. We've got a product we call Goldstone that we've taken all that knowledge out of OpenStack to help people operate their clouds. And our team comes from the enterprise space. We understand the challenges that enterprise IT faces when making these types of transitions. Talking about cloud, Don, I mentioned that I do a lot of system integration services, right? So me, along with my partners, we do offer OpenStack system-integrated services. Apart from SI services, we also offer research and analysis services. As I mentioned before, I talk a lot about OpenStack. I publish research reports on popular portals like GigaOM. You may want to check out my OpenStack reference guide at Dzone. And about this topic, and we recently published a research report, a push and paper on mapping the OpenStack ecosystem. If you find out the link over there, you can get the most recent copy. It gives you a snapshot on how the OpenStack ecosystem looks like. And a lot of this talk is derived from that research. So please check it out. OK. So why don't you kick it off for you, right? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. OK, cool. Thank you. So the way we want to continue this talk is like, we want to give you a context of how the ecosystem is. And before getting the ecosystem, when customers think about OpenStack Cloud or infrastructure, what are the challenges they have starting with their application workloads, right? And then once you understand the situation here, what we want to take you further is like there are many choices available, many options available. There is not one single vendor. There is not one single solution or offering that you need to go with. So we want to explain the choices here. And before that, to begin with, right, if you look at any application solution, VoIP, that analysis, anything that you take, it's always that it's going to be complex and it has got multiple moving parts. Gone are the days where you have a single monolithic application where you just dump it on one server and you call it done, right? Good examples is big data, right? There's a lot of moving pieces here. You need a lot of storage. You need a lot of computing intensive jobs running over there. And actually it turns out that big data workloads do run well on OpenStack, right? You might have seen the white paper from Automaker because our largest Automaker, they had a POC of their big data application combined with telemetric applications running on OpenStack Cloud. So to kind of re-trade, right? Your applications, your infrastructure, they have a lot of moving pieces. There's a lot of complexity involved there. And you don't have to stick with one solution, one offering. And oftentimes you need to pick and choose multiple components to give you a complete overview. And that's what we were heading to. Oh, that's right. Thank you, go on. So when it comes to the ecosystem, before we get into the vendor's part of it, right? The key component of this is the OpenStack community itself and the governing body. As you all are aware of, OpenStack is governed by the OpenStack Foundation. For all those new, if there is anybody who doesn't know about OpenStack Foundation, just two minute talk about it. It's a nonprofit organization. It is primarily there to help the developers to keep continuing developing the OpenStack efforts to serve users and users and also to enable the ecosystem. The mission of OpenStack is to provide resources to grow the footprint of public and private OpenStack Clouds globally. So as we look at the, just in the key release, I don't know how many people are new to OpenStack, but there's some statistics about what's changed. This is just from, between releases, this is from Juno to Kilo, right? Over 1,500 contributors from almost 170 different organizations actually participated in this latest release of OpenStack. It's a very large-scale product, obviously. Almost 400 new features, 7,200 or more bugs fixed in this latest release. The top companies contributing, if you look at them, if you've been around the project for a while, a lot of these companies are familiar. The reason I highlighted Yahoo on the slide, they're a customer, right? The other companies on this list are primarily vendors in the OpenStack space, and they're driving a lot of stuff, and that's great, that's important. Yahoo has taken, I think they talked about it yesterday a little bit in one of the keynotes, but they're a customer, and they're actually involving themselves in open source, contributing code, driving it back so it comes back to them into their next releases, right? So they're able to shape an open source project to meet the needs for their business. Lots of translations. You can use OpenStack in many languages, and we'll talk about drivers and plugins for the network and storage side. The OpenStack project has been great about certifying and integrating different drivers and opening up the marketplace to the companies to get involved that way. Just to look at the slide there, we had more than 1500 contributors for the kilo release, but if you look at the growth of number of developers, it was less than 900 a year ago, and then you can see almost double in the span of one year, right? And then it only keeps increasing. So we talked about the contribution side of it, how big the developers are, how big the developer community is, right? How about the use, where is the money here? What is the revenue here? Are we seeing adoptions here, right? The next two slides, we're gonna walk through that one. This one is largely based on the research report from 451 OpenStack Policy Report, which was published last year. So the OpenStack market revenue is predicted to cross $3 billion by 2018, right? And if you extrapolate the number of private clouds being deployed based on OpenStack globally, it's gonna cross like $20,000. That's being extrapolated from the user service report, but think about the numbers here. $3 billion by the end of 2018. The VC funding is keeping on increasing in the startups. In one direction, we have seen some successful exits, not so successful exits about the first level of first way of startups, but the startup community is increasing, more and more innovation happening, and then VCs are funding in and supporting the ecosystem here, right? So it gives you a context that it is a thriving community, it is bringing in money, it only keeps increasing. This one is based on the most recent users survey report. This is updated since the November 2014. So as you could see, this gives you a snapshot of what kind of workloads that customers are currently running. If you go to the Super User Survey, you can get a lot more statistics, but I want to highlight that what are the top workloads? Currently, even now, like web services, databases, dev tests dominate the type of workloads that we have, but you can see that, you can see the variety here, right? E-commerce, education, email, social media. There is increase in the percentage of workloads that customers are running successfully on OpenStack, but even now, the top most workloads tend to be web services or dev tests. And for those who are trying to consume OpenStack or for those who are thinking about OpenStack, there are multiple ways that you can consume, right? So obviously, the easiest way, you want to get your hands fit, you want to get a feel of how OpenStack APS look like is to try one of those OpenStack-based public clouds. You may not get the experience of managing or administrating your private cloud or OpenStack cloud, but if you're an application developer, if you only care about talking to OpenStack APIs, using a public cloud service provider like WaxPace or HPR, I'm gonna see later, like there's tons of, there's at least like a handful of providers available, more choices available there. So you can get started with it. If you want to get comfortable, you want to have it on your own environment, you can start with the distributions. Distributions are loosely like collection of packages for the environment that you have. There are free distributions available, there are also commercial distributions available. This is a commercial, they may or may not include subscription fee or licensing fee, but oftentimes they include like proprietary fixes or additional fixes the vendors might have. For instance, Red Hat, Red Hat Enterprise Linux Virtualization OpenStack platform or HP Helion OpenStack or IBM Cloud Manager with OpenStack, Merantis Fuel, we have a multitude of options available there. There's a little bit based on distributions when it comes to appliances. Think of appliances like a bundle or a cloud in a box kind of solution, right? It includes the entire stack, your hardware, software, it comes with OpenStack distribution, OpenStack software installed along with the underlying hardware, compute storage and hardware, networking nodes, right? Just have to buy that the box and then plug that in and then it's a turnkey solution. As you will see later, we have more than, it's an interesting space there. There were very less options available before, but we are getting more and more appliances available options. Having said it all and then, right? If you look at large scale distributions, most of the customers try to get help externally from system integrators or professional service providers. Again, you have a lot of options available when it comes to professional service providers, but if you do not want to go through the pain of installing OpenStack, you do want to have a private load experience, but you want to delegate that and you don't want to have the SI providers coming in or you don't want to have your own resources, hosted private cloud is a great option. Think of it like as a service option available. This is the close that you would get to a public cloud experience, but it provides you the isolation and the security of what a private cloud might provide. Finally, for those who are very adventurous, you can always consume from trunk. It's more work, a lot of packaging needs to be done, but if you want the thrill, please go for it. So when you look at sort of the landscape of OpenStack and I apologize, I obviously didn't scale very well, it's a complicated architecture. And as we go through this, if there's vendors in the audience and I missed your logo, we apologize in advance. We can't be perfect, there's a ton of companies in this space and we're trying to do our best to apologize in advance and there may be one or two logos that we missed, but with this complicated architecture, kind of what does the ecosystem look like today? We've got OpenStack in the core, we've got a wide range of storage options, supported distributions, like I was talking about, there's VDI solutions out there if you want to run that on OpenStack. You can get training services from companies like Selenia. There's also SI, also like Selenia, consulting services. There's management tools to manage both OpenStack itself as well as your applications that run on OpenStack and a wide range of storage and networking options that you can choose from to integrate in and that's where the driver model comes in from the foundation to make that work. Let's see how this one plays out. Wait a second. This actually, think of like a mind map that captures the entire OpenStack ecosystem. I'm sure like you won't be able to read this one but if you go back to the slide, we tried to simplify that. What it shows is that how complex and how complete the ecosystem is. We have a lot of players coming in, a lot of players staying in and keep contributing. Some of them are getting out or getting acquired or changing their priorities but you have tons of options here. If you could go back one slide here. To reiterate, you have public cloud service provider, private cloud service provider, hosted private cloud service provider. You have a platform, you have the accompanying ecosystem like monitoring, logging, even neighboring or helping ecosystem like platform as a service, you are hypervisors and then you have the training service provider, professional service provider. These are all giving you a lot of options. It doesn't mean this is not meant to boggle you with the amount of options. You're just trying to establish the fact that there's a lot of help available, there's a lot of options available so you can get your help and you can make a judicious choice. Great, so a good place to start, especially if you're new to the OpenStack communities, the Marketplace website, OpenStack.org slash Marketplace. The foundation's done a great job of giving the vendors in the community a place to sort of list out what's available and if you look, the main categories, things like training, things that we talked about, distros and appliances, public clouds, you can come to this website and get a feeling for the companies in this space as they move and grow and as they come and go from the environment. It's not always 100% up to date because people are changing all the time but it's definitely a good place to get started for sure. Also I wanna iterate, if you are a service provider, if you wanna get good visibility, please consider adding yourself on this Marketplace. Absolutely. So I think we're gonna start here, Sheram's gonna talk about the extended community. So when it comes to OpenStack, it's not just OpenStack platform, it's not just a software, right? There's a lot of other pieces to iterate. To begin with, the surrounding communities is the, you start with hypervisor containers. What is the virtualization technology that's driving the OpenStack, right? Of course KVM is the most widely adopted hypervisor among OpenStack deployments but you do have options there. Zen, REL, Rev, and then even Windows, Windows have a Hyper-V, right now OpenStack can work with Hyper-V as a hypervisor and then of course you have the Lexis technology and the Docker container. So it again gives you, takes back to the choices that you have. Magnum has been a lot of buzz about containers at the OpenStack Summit, which is great and Magnum is going to that project to make containers a first class citizen in the OpenStack project. And you can't have your computer resources with the server manufacturers, short of two of them here. Can you have more options? Super micro, quantum, C-micro, HP provides you a complete set of hardware solution here. Penguin Computing provides high performance case, provides hardware for enabling high performance case use cases. Cisco UCS is a great choice for your OpenStack private clouds, tell servers. There's a wide, obviously a wide range from, you know, the standard names that you've obviously all seen in the enterprise for years to kind of the commodity space that are more in the SaaS space that we've seen today. But these guys, these companies are making inroads in both sides of the equation for sure. You might have remembered that I was giving as a service a hosted private cloud, right? So this is again, if you want to, do not want to have the pain of going through an installation, right? You do not have a lot of operational experience, or you do not want to bring in your site providers, but you do want to have a private cloud environment, hosted private cloud, or a private cloud as a service, a great choice for you. This is a very interesting space. Around the November Paris Summit, we had a great acquisition, a MetaCloud, one of the hosted private cloud service provider got acquired. Blue Box is still the dominant player in this private space, but if you compare between now and then now, like you see, there's a lot more options here. You have App Theater from Australia providing a private cloud service provider. You have Auro from Canada providing hosted private cloud. We have CoolFit. Again, Blue Box based on Seattle is a great, you might have seen the success use case around federated identity and digital frame tree, giving a shout out for a Blue Box private cloud. It's a great option for you to consider. When your business is not necessarily operating infrastructure, these are great solutions, and the geographies are wide ranging, so no matter where you're operating your cloud, you'll find somebody that can support you for sure. And when it comes to public cloud, we tend to think, of course, like Amazon, right? But what is the compete here? We are not getting into the debate of is there a public cloud service provider that can compete against Amazon, right? But in terms of your choice, if you do want to have open-stack public cloud, I'm sorry, you have a lot of choice. You have Rackspace, you have HP public cloud. You have RO based in Canada. And then lots of geographically distributed public cloud service provider, right? You have Cloudwater, Cloudheed. Cloudwares is based in Europe. United State is based in China. So again, going back to your option here, there's a lot of choices depending on your geography, depending on your requirements, like you can pick and choose. And I think about these types of solutions, especially with, and they talked about the keynote on Tuesday, right? Or Monday, actually, with the updates in Keystone, we can build hybrid solutions with your own open-stack cloud internal and these public cloud that are based on open-stack externally, and you can get those federations going and really build great solutions for your enterprise. So the professional services is a great category. There's a lot of companies out there that are trying to help people with open-stack adoption, right? What has happened, and this is not necessarily unique to open-stack, but a lot of the companies that are building distributions and products in this space are also doing consulting, right? So a lot of the names that have been in Linux space for a long time, like Red Hat, IBM, HP, they've been around that space, Rackspace as well. New players like Mirantis that are coming in with a distro and doing that support and doing those services for customers. You know, one of the things that we look for is find a trusted advisor to help you navigate this. Somebody that's gonna help you evaluate the different choices in the marketplace and really, there's some smaller places and smaller players in the space that are doing that. Companies like Selenia has TechSo are helping companies sort of navigate this large landscape of open-stack and really get them going and up and running into the right places. Same thing goes for training. The, you know, Piston and Mirantis have been doing this for some time and they've got great training programs and they focus on their distribution. Mirantis actually has a certification program. The Linux Foundation has been doing Linux training for years. They're adding some great programs around open-stack as well as adding some certification. HP, Red Hat, SUSE, also doing similar stuff. They have massive training programs that they've run for their applications in the past. And then again, smaller companies like Selenia and Aptira that are doing more generalized open-stack training, as well as DevOps training. If you need to help with process as well as the technology, those companies out there can help you with that as well. Just one highlight on certification. One of the things we're working on in the foundation is a certification program where it will become standardized. Right now, you know, sort of everyone, there are certification programs from Mirantis, Red Hat, and others. They're not all exactly the same. The idea that the foundation is actually putting together these programs to make that standardized so that you know if you're looking to hire resources or train your resources and make sure that they've actually learned what they need to learn, right, these certification programs are soon to be sort of centrally managed so that you'll be able to get the quality out of them that we're looking for. So we look at distros, appliances, and converge solutions that are out there. You know, if we go through a little bit, you know, VMware, VIO is similar to that. Like Sriram was talking about earlier, you spin up a VM inside your vSphere environment. Your OpenStack APIs come online and you've got, you know, an OpenStack cloud. There's a company called SwiftStack. Their focus is on Swift. Obviously, they have a Swift distribution. It's flexible. It's a managed service. There's a great way to get started with Swift very quickly. Those guys have been big contributors to the community for a long time. Sriram touched on MetaCloud earlier. They're now part of Cisco. They've got a managed service offering. So they'll deploy OpenStack inside your data center and manage it for you while it's running there. Cloud scaling, which is now part of VMC, has a service provider focus. So a lot of the players have sort of different focuses. Morantis, big contributor to the project, a great part of the community. They've been, you know, fuel as their deployment tool. It's been a great way to set up OpenStack for some time. And they're one of the leaders out there. HP, I think they announced their distro Helion in Paris, I think, is when it first started. Helion is kind of an umbrella for a lot of things. It's a platform as a service. It's a cloud management platform. So there's a bunch of different things. HP is taking their knowledge from running a public cloud and turning that into a distribution that people can run behind the firewall and get that advantage. Rackspace, you know, obviously this whole project started with them, right? They brought it out of NASA. They did a great job managing the transition to an OpenStack foundation. And they've got, you know, everything from, you know, services to distribution to public clouds. They have kind of a wide range and they offer good solutions there. Oracle, you know, they're a recent addition to sort of doing the OpenStack piece of it. You know, they come with a bunch of customers, enterprise focus, and they're doing some interesting stuff there for sure. There's kind of a new player that actually just met a few weeks ago. Company called Stratoscale. They're building what they call a hyper-converged infrastructure. I think if they're in the room, I apologize. I'm not technically calling them a distro. They didn't like it when I said that. But it's sort of OpenStack under the hood. The reason they're up here is I sort of see them as the next generation where OpenStack is effectively OEM'd. You don't know what's there. You don't worry about OpenStack. You worry about Stratoscale. And they've built some real intelligent IP on top of that to add additional features on top of what OpenStack can do. And they're utilizing the OpenStack API underneath. They give you both, right? You run the OpenStack API and the Stratoscale API. So there's a lot of different things, and it's constantly changing and growing, which is part of the excitement of the OpenStack community for sure. I'd like to add one thing. There's two things here. So between the last slide that we had in Paris and right now, you can notice that we bundled on appliances, converged solutions, and distributions together. So there are minor nuances there, right? Appliances include your entire hardware stack there and the software there. But the point we are trying to make is that these are great offerings for you, whether it's commercial, licensed free, or different pricing model there. You may want to consider depending on what your requirements are. Again, the other thing is the last count of distributions were more than 17. Possibly, we cannot list them all here if you have missed out any of your distributions. Apologies for that. We tried to cover the major distributions. Make sure that they are covered here. So let's go on to storage, right? In terms of storage and networking, there's kind of a wide range of things that you can add to OpenStack. The project has been great about these drivers and plug-in models where third parties can come and add their solution relatively easily to the OpenStack project. So if you look at storage, it's names that have been in the enterprise for some time. HP, EMC, NetApp, they've all been around. They're in just about every data center you come across today, and they're very easily integrated into your OpenStack deployment. There's a lot of newcomers, companies like Max said, that are doing 100% software solutions, and CEF as well, Inc Tank recently acquired by Red Hat. So there's a lot of that in there, and there's a solution really for kind of any workload that you're looking for, right? When we talk to people, the idea is to architect a solution for your workloads. When it comes to storage, that's obviously a big portion of it and a big component. So you wanna make sure you're choosing the right solution and with the OpenStack environment, the way, the ecosystem, the way it is today, you're gonna find a solution that's gonna be able to meet your needs from both a performance and technology perspective as well as a return on investment. There's a lot of different choices out there. So same justifications go here, but we do have options here. And when you look at these available options, they're just not just Layer 2, but you do also have a lot of players working on Layer 3, right? So Tailor, it's listed here for historical reasons. It was acquired by Cisco. NSX, again, acquired by VMware both for historical reasons, but some of the relative new players are like Plum Grid and Big Switch. You have Brocade, which has been established and customers have had success with Brocade. Some Open Daylight, again, an open source option. One configuration is interesting, providing you an option of policy-based control. So to reiterate what Seth was saying before, even under networking solutions, you do have options. So depending on your needs, depending on your auto eye, you can make it to this choice. And I mean, there's a ton of choices in those two spaces, and it's kind of exciting to sort of see that change over time too. It's grown a lot in the last six months. So cloud management platforms, there's a lot of choices for, there's kind of two categories here. There's tools that manage, excuse me, that manage your virtual machines on top of your cloud. That's companies like Scalar, Clicker, Helion, and AppSara a little bit, where if you need to auto scale an application or deploy an application to multiple clouds, they'll abstract the multiple APIs that are available from Amazon and OpenStack, for example, and allow you to make one API call to spin up VMs in multiple locations, as well as give you the opportunity to operate those over time. And then certain types of parameters allow you to scale them up and scale them down. Scalar is a big contributor, it's an open source solution. Helion, HP, also a big contributor. There's Enterprise solution like Clicker, which is not an open source choice, but it's definitely available in the marketplace, a good choice in the marketplace for sure. Goldstone, which is Selenius product, is really focused on managing OpenStack itself. So there's very few choices that we found that allow you to do that. So if you have a problem with a hypervisor node or a problem with a storage node, getting the visualization and getting that data to a central location so that you can actually take action and troubleshoot it, that's the purpose of that type of tool, to give you that ability to monitor and react to problems with your infrastructure. Again, it doesn't focus on the applications, but the OpenStack cloud itself. Yeah, and then the cloud management space is interesting. We have a lot of newcomers and new interns here, so kind of taking the focus into the operations part of it, your monitoring part of it. How do you monitor your VM? What do you monitor the health of those resources? And then even helping with your day-to-day operations, what are the actions that you would take once it turns into failure? So you can see a lot of providers like Stackstorm, AppFormix, so those are niche players that are getting into this space, so you may want to watch out for them. And then application providers, we kind of bundle them all together, right? So we talked a lot about the infrastructure distribution of the low-level layer, but when you do care about applications, you do offer some values on top of applications, right? So anything that broadly comes on top of it that's running or helps you to run, manage, or help you with the application that are on top of your application, we put them in here, right? GuardiCo is interesting in terms of managing the security of your infrastructure. Tesora is a database service, right? So we are more, again, a solution for security. So it's also an interesting space. It's a moving space. It's something that you want to watch for, again, with more choices, like you have more options and you should watch out for that. Virtual bridges, which is, they do the virtual desktop solution. It's kind of an interesting way to sort of get a more cost-effective solution in that space, as well as Stratus, which is really, their focus is on super high availability. People have probably used their hardware in the past, where you need a super HA Linux or Windows hardware node. They're taking that same method and putting it into virtual machines and they're doing it with virtual machines on open stacks. There's a lot of sort of creative solutions to sort of make some of these less cloud-friendly applications maybe survive the transition and get you the benefit of cloud for the rest of the environments. The ecosystem is not complete without talking about the platform as service, right? So as an end consumer, IAS is not the only choice, even though technically it's not open stack-based or it may not be open stack-based, but it's something that you want to watch for, right? The major open-source-based platform and solutions cloud-friendly and anything on top of using, developed based on cloud-friendly is something that you want to consider. We have Pivotal, we have Staccato from ActiveState, cloud-friendly itself. HP Helion development platform is based on cloud-friendly. We have Red Hat OpenShift providing a great choice for your past requirements. So this is included for you to give you a bigger perspective. This is something that we are anticipating that your application packaging or application management layer on top of your IAS is something for you to watch for. So Paz is sort of the next thing, right? We're all here to talk about infrastructure as a service. When you look at the community of platform as a service, it's a little bit behind the open stack in terms of maturity, right? But there's been a ton of consolidation already in that space. Most of these solutions that you see up here are cloud-foundry-based. Red Hat has OpenShift as well. So it's definitely some place that we're watching to make sure that, see where that goes because it's sort of the next generation of as a service, effectively. So when you look at the environment, there's a lot of stuff to look at, a lot of choices to make. There's a lot of building components out there to build your solution. Look at what you have in your data center and in your environment. When we talked to customers, they discover that they have a lot of these tools that are just not sort of using them in necessarily cloud-friendly ways. You don't always have to buy new, I guess, is what I'm getting at. You can integrate stuff that you already have and applications that you already have. But make sure you're doing this in a flexible way so that you can take this into the future and let your business grow with it. Definitely use the marketplace. It's a great resource. It's a great tool. It's always being updated. The community maintains, everyone maintains their own information. So you're looking for somebody to help you with whatever it is, whatever tool you need. It's a great place to start and we encourage everyone to take a look. So with that, what I'd like to do is open up to questions. There's a microphone in the middle if anyone has any questions. I wanna add a note here. Sure. Again, we don't want to boggle you with the choices or options. Provided you to give you a guidance, right? If you do have questions, the community is very extremely helpful. OpenStack Community is open for your questions and they usually, like, you find them to be very helpful. You can also reach out to a professional service provider like Solinia or CloudDom. You're always welcome to get help from us and we can also provide you some guidance on overall, right? Based on your requirements, based on your applications, based on your needs. So are there any questions anyone has or anything you wanna drive into? Yeah, just sure. Sorry, real quick question. In terms of customer base, is there any sort of metrics in terms of large adopters versus small adopters, that type of thing that you're aware of in the community? So the best possible numbers, the best possible results that we have is from the user survey, super user survey. So apart from what we can talk from our experience talking to our clients, right, but if you wanna get an overall bigger picture, right, we recommend you to go check these super user results based on the user survey. There's a snapshot that I provided about the type of workloads. There is much more information. For instance, like what kind of environments they're using, what is the version of OpenStack that's being largely deployed, right? So you can find a lot more statistics there. I can help you to find the, please check the superuser.openstack.org and you can find it out there. Okay, great, thanks. You're welcome. Any question? So you're talking, so let me just restate that so everyone can hear what the gentleman's talking about is maybe there's a gap in database. We talked a lot about compute networking and storage, but there's a gap in database that I restated that correctly. Okay, so, you know, Trove is fairly new in the life cycle of OpenStack and it's definitely growing. Personally, I haven't seen anyone put it into production and everyone's sort of testing it yet. Tesora is a great resource for that. They're doing a good job as sort of shepherds of databases, the service, the PTL works for them, or the project team lead, for those that are new to OpenStack and they're sort of managing that as it grows out on top of OpenStack. Nikita's the PTL, right, it's with HP, right? Oh, maybe I got that wrong, I apologize for that. But Tesora's doing a good job, maybe they don't have the PTL, I may have said that wrong. They both are top contributors to, Tesora and HP are the leading contributors to Trove, yeah. But if you're asking about the underlying databases like MySQL or what are the options that for InstaList OpenStack, then yeah, it's something that we can talk about, but maybe it's something that we can include as an accompanying ecosystem, just like hyperbasers. Thank you. I hope that answers your question. Any other questions? Everyone's so quiet today. Yeah. Please do check out the link on the white paper, it gives you much more expanding upon what we talked about and gives you an overview of the ecosystem where the lay of the land is. Great, well we thank everyone for coming out today, enjoy the rest of the show. Thank you.