 It was in San Jose. I'm sure exactly. Yeah. So anyway, it was fun So we got and George R. Martin has been putting on a losers party For the Hugo Award losers every year for decades. So we got to go to that and fist bump George R. Martin And how is he doing? You know writing books or I mean for the 15 seconds I got to say hi. Thanks for the party. He seemed to be doing great good Oh Good health hail. Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely did seem the good health. Good. Everybody don't Know was he was no everybody He hates this question and this meme, but there is a like well I hope he lives long enough to finish the series Very very gross and I can understand where it comes from but I hopefully my my dripping sarcasm No, it was it was evident because I think it is ghoulish and disgusting that yeah, you know and he is In fine-fetal. I would say well, so but it but it's Like oh, yeah, okay. I will I will We always forget what those thoughts are after the show try not Yeah, okay good. All right you guys ready? Yep There we go, we do This is the Daily Tech news for Monday August 20th 2018 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane Oakland, California. I'm Justin Robert Young and our producer Roger Chang is in the house Roger How you been I have been Okay, good. Yeah, never better Got a August Monday full of tech news to share with you including a big announcement from games calm from Nvidia Let's start with a few tech things you should know So back in January Microsoft announced the preview of end-to-end encrypted private conversations in Skype And the feature is now available for all users on Skype for iOS Android Linux Mac and Windows desktop Users can select new private conversation What sends the recipient an invite and then all those calls and messages in that conversation will be encrypted and end Until either user chooses to end it users can also participate in only one private conversation from a single device at a time And then switch the conversation to other devices But the messages they send and receive will be tied to the vice they're using Makes sense. That's good Mine minecraft education edition is coming to Apple's iPad along with new features created for the education edition and available to all players Microsoft announced that the school version of Minecraft will debut on the iPad in September at that time The minecraft education edition app will be downloadable from Apple's app store for use with annual Education edition subscriptions purchased from Microsoft free tutorials and other class resources for teachers are on the minecraft educational edition site Arm has detailed its next two generations of CPU cores following the a76 Demos and Hercules Hercules Hercules both future cores are based on the new a76 micro architecture Demos is its 2019 successor aiming at more widespread seven nanometer adoption And Hercules is reportedly the next phase of the micro architecture for 2020 products and the first five nanometer implementations All right, let's talk about apps Justin Tom Apple removed thousands of gambling apps from its Chinese store after China State run Broadcaster China Central Television accused Apple of not adequately removing banned content such as illegal and fake lottery ticket apps on Sunday CCTV reported that Apple pulled at least 4,000 apps tagged with the keyword gambling on August 9th alone Apple says it was complying with regulation It's It's an interesting order of events If this were the US or Europe you would say oh Totally normal a television network brought light to something that was not being paid proper attention to and the company Has since resolved the situation in China though I think the the conclusion that most people jump to and I'll be honest I don't know if it's actually right or not is that state-run television Stories like this are fed to them from the government which would make you wonder Well, why didn't the government just contact Apple directly, but maybe they want to embarrass them or something like that I don't know if that's true Well and nobody does and that's part of the question is is that you know Which which side of the Apple's interaction with the government which can oftentimes be Touchy American companies working in China are very often touch and go China has shown a willingness to have Chinese companies Have pole position in a lot of these markets. So who knows where where where this comes from or where it ends the fact that it's At least 4,000 apps to is you know, that's more significant than oh, you know, you know, yeah again as you mentioned Tom if you know Apple pulled a few gambling apps from the US store, which I have access to even whatever 4,000 apps is is that's a big number. No, it feels like Apple didn't think these were in violation right for them for there to be that many I mean the other conclusion you could jump to is that Apple is incompetent I don't that doesn't fit with other aspects of things So I feel like either the the rules of the road changed or they thought certain things were allowed that weren't Because 4,000 apps don't just slip by you by mistake. Well, there is there's the old phrase criminal analogy, right? Yeah, the old the old idea of in a top-down authoritarian system You are now watching to see where the portraits in the lobby of the Kremlin are being hung so you know who's in power and who's out of power and This to me feels a little bit like that that Apple's like all right for whatever reason They want to step down on gambling apps Well, then even if it's not against the rules and they haven't told us it's against the rules Then whatever get right now daddy Let's talk about Trackers shall we fit but is making it kind of hard to tell the difference between a smartwatch and a fitness tracker While still not losing the tracker category the Fitbit charge 3 is the new device as a new aluminum body Gorilla grass 3 glass rather 3 display with 40% more active screen than the charge 2 The charge 3 is also water resistant up to 50 meters and is the first tracker to get smartphone notifications That's huge. It gets seven days of battery life on a single charge up from five days on the charge to the charge 3 will also come in two models The core version is one hundred forty nine dollars ninety five cents and then a special edition is $169 ninety five cents that features NFC and supports Fitbit pay or payments Prior to start today shipping due in October Yeah, the verge article in this sort of made a point of How this is a tracker and Fitbit is not giving up on trackers even though everything is all about smartwatches these days But then points out that it's blurring the lines. I mean, there's a watch face on this thing It's doing smartphone notifications. The first time a Fitbit tracker has done that So I feel like it reminds me a little bit of how feature phones are becoming smarter and today's feature phone often does things that smartphones did in 2006 2007 when when the smartphone category was very young and The analogy breaks down at a certain point, but it does feel like the difference between a tracker and a smartwatch Kind is kind of blending. It's kind of going away Not only is is that the case but this is a device that effectively says let's just do Literally everything that is well done now on smartwatches Like people still love the tracking has been a thing for a long time even before Apple kind of got in with the I watch and Android wear and stuff like that This is all the things that are done well on a smartwatch, you know notifications have been a thing Pebble owners certainly have very much enjoyed that for years and years The question is is this a device that you're gonna wind up wanting to keep for three years at, you know $150 $170 price point or is it something that as the radios get better as the battery power gets better as the Processing speed gets better and now smartwatches can do more things independently from your phone Are these going to be relics of the past fairly quickly as as those devices step up? yeah, I look at it and I Think well shoot if I can get most of what a smartwatch does for 150 or even 170 bucks Not bad, but also when you buy a tracker, you don't expect it to look like a watch But when you're going out for the evening and you've got a smartwatch that looks acceptable with your outfit You may not wear your tracker Which is yeah, I know some of you kind of dismissed that part of the notion But that that that is a different choice you people who wear trackers sometimes they don't wear them all the time I don't know it's an interesting interesting category I mean, I like the idea of the tracker being the watch just so I don't have to think about the two as Would you ever hit a situation where you're like, ooh, this is a tracker It really looks like a tracker with this outfit or I'm going to a funeral or something and that Well, yeah, which is why I don't have a smartwatch Because I feel like yeah as far as sort of fashion goes it rarely works, but I I would prefer not to have two devices if I have to care about both of that and that's things All smartwatches are trackers. Yeah, right. This is a tracker saying oh, we're gonna do some smartwatching things But turn creator Brahm Cohen criticized cryptocurrencies using the term gold Bugism gold bugs are people who think that gold is the solution to a lot of different economic problems Brahm says he sees Bitcoin as something that's fundamentally flawed Especially the wasteful mining process. We have to run these high-powered graphic processors or specialty processors And this apparently includes Tron, which is the company that acquired Cohen's bit coin bit torrent company Trons founder recently launched the idea to improve bit torrent protocol by integrating it into the Tron network Which would allow users to earn TRX currency by seeding files Cohen has left Tron and he's working on his own environmentally friendly cryptocurrency called Chichi Chichi It's just spelled CHI But it is based on proof of space not mining So you don't have to run processors and use electricity. You have to have storage, which is an interesting spin So Brahm Cohen has been upset with management at bit torrent for a fairly long time dating back to the previous CEOs Almost 2004 when he formed the tour at the company. Yeah, you know, so I don't the fact that he's left is not Particularly shocking. What is more interesting is the fact that he's a brilliant mind and I'm curious to see what he does next with this You know reaction to cryptocurrency Yeah, the idea that you do proof of storage makes me think well People are just gonna buy, you know terabytes and terabytes of storage But he seems to think that that won't work because there is so much ample storage already That it won't be worth the money to do and he's a smart guy. He's a really good engineer. Maybe he's right Had you guys heard of gold bug ism? Oh, yeah, yeah, it's a 30s era turn It I think it got coined around the time of people advocating to stay on the gold standard. I see, okay, really I Would have thought it was gold rush Related no no gold bugs or the people are like we need to keep the gold don't none of this paper money I don't want your greenback dollar. I don't want your silver change to quote What is so what is he saying in terms of the bit of a bit coin? He's saying Bitcoin is like gold bugs like people who don't really understand how currency works And so they're trying to create they're recreating the the what he considers the mistakes of Gold bug ism virtually huh Well, that's by the way Don't claim to be an expert if you're an economist and you want to explain this a little better Please feedback at daily tech news show dot com, but that's why gold bugs. We're yet go ahead and write on in Well, yeah, gold bugs are definitely already going to write in I would like an economist to write in the gold Bugs are going to write in and say gold standard will work and here's why and I already expected those emails Okay, then gold bugs settle down go ahead and delete that trap The Financial Times reports that the European Union is considering forcing tech companies to delete terrorist propaganda from their platforms Within 60 minutes of it being flagged or phase fines Legislation requiring a 60-minute takedown was passed in March, but the guideline was voluntary EU's commissioner for security Julian King said that the EU had quote not seen enough progress and quote on the issue and was willing to Take stronger action in order to better protect our citizens King said We cannot afford to relax or become complacent in the face of such shadowy and destructive phenomenon not not a representative imitation of Julian King I Don't really know what Julian King's my apologies to Julian King his family and gold bugs around the world Well, listen, I mean, I love the idea the again in theory this is okay if it's terrorist propaganda I'm sure it should be taken down within 60 minutes, but What tech company I mean look at Twitter these days Twitter can barely get its act together on a variety of things like What what company is actually capable of of enforcing something within an hour? I I I think this is the we're confusing a lot of different problems here Twitter not getting its act together a lot of people and maybe you mean they should be taking this person off Twitter And they're not that's a policy decision reaction time is We all agree. There's no controversy that this is something that needs to be removed There's no there's no debate about whether it well, should he be taken down or shouldn't he we're all in agreement this is a terrorist posting and You're taking too long after you know, it's there to take it down And so this is this is where Facebook cycle We're hiring thousands and thousands of people and YouTube is we're hiring thousands and thousands of people to do this I don't know if Twitter's doing that or not Well, I will say that there is an element of like Hey, if you are if this is the rule of the land Then you're going to make things are going to get pulled faster because they would rather air on the side of putting it back up Then violating of the law which could prove to be a chilling effect actually that's yeah I thought that's there. That's where I was I was looking to get well Let's talk about gifts shall we Launched a redesigned home page with a feature called stories that organizes gift Being into themes like for example Justin. You might like this one WWE summer slam or the affair finale or Adorably confused dogs. They're always adorable, especially when they're confused One new story will be published every hour curated by an in-house editorial team The page has been in beta But the official launch coincides with the MTV video music awards Giffy is also exploring ways to share stories beyond the app and the Website was funny about this is this morning when we were deciding whether or not this should be part of the show I was like Giffy has a homepage Yeah, where's that? Okay. I only know it but integrated within Slack so I've always been Fascinated by where the market of gifts as a product are because obviously there's an opportunity for Sponsorship anything that's popular can be advertised on this is I think a greater collection of Of of like up to the moment things So if you want to share stuff and and you mentioned summer slam last night Wrestling Twitter is very dependent on gifts because it is Sharing that one thing that you just saw that you want to you know discuss with your friends I do think that this is a great idea That is going to need to live outside of Giffy and and I am willing to get a new keyboard on my app for it I'm willing to get different things if it can solve you know scratch the itch of live conversation or You know the discussion afterward you see a lot with sports of The thing that just happened. I want to share But I don't know if I ever need to if I'm ever going to Giffy for it Although maybe this is a lure to bring me over that wall Maybe and and sir, I think you nailed it Most of us think of Giffy as that thing in that tool we use that provides easy access to gifts whether it's slack or some other Social network or something like that Nobody thinks to go to Giffy comm anymore They there was a time when I think people did go and they called it jiffy comm That's how long ago it was but they That I think that's what Giffy is trying to realize is we need to figure out a way to get people over here And I can't decide if this is hey a cool thing that will make people start to think of Giffy as a place to see What's up a lot Twitter Facebook, etc. Or Snapchat as they steal the term stories the way Instagram did Or if it's gosh, we really want people to come here Let's do a thing that we think will make them come here and everybody'll say no That's not really what I use Giffy for Well, and I also think okay. Well, if it's you know someone in my family who's like what's a meme Gifts like I know what it is But I don't really know how to like search for them or whatever. That's perhaps Giffy saying, okay We're you know, we we we we we're now a name brand and we can maybe get people who you know Aren't so woke to come to our homepage and Download these gifts and you have to start sharing the stories out for people to understand Oh, there's stories there because right Sarah. You're right. Most people are gonna go. There's a home page there Also, here's the thing about Giffy. What do you share on Giffy? Nothing you find things Copy paste and then you send it as a message to your friends. Yeah, I'm not on Giffy saying hey I don't even know if I have friends do I have friends on Giffy? I have no idea I like Giffy and I don't want to throw him under the bus, but I think you might be right I think it may be backwards, you know, like hey, we we really want to convince you to do a thing and we're like, mmm That's not what we do. That's that's not how we do this. I I do think look it's a good product Where it lives has always been a mystery to me when it comes to a gift aggregation Yeah, maybe they know a secret sauce that we do not maybe. Oh, well, I'll give I'll get in the benefit of that They know their business if he has been doing good stuff. You'll give them the benefit of that I will gif them gif to them Do that Tom at games com and video announced consumer versions of the touring get blue. Oh I'm sorry. Can I say GPU? Sorry games kind of video announced consumer versions of the touring GPU architecture that brings ray tracing to the desktop Thanks to RT core compute units and those new tensor cores for AI interfacing We talked about these in the quadros a while back now. They're ready for you to put in your home computer Founders editions of the RTX 2080 will sell for 800 bucks and the RTX 2080 Ti for 1200 bucks both of those come in September 20th. The almost as powerful but way more affordable RTX 2070 is 600 bucks That one's coming later, but pre-orders are live now The non-founders prices were also announced. Those will come through third parties Talking about 499 for the 2070 699 for the 2080 and 999 for the 2080 Ti ray tracing is the big deal here We can you can find the specs everywhere, but ray tracing makes realistic lighting Look better than rasterization Rasterization is the current process that builds the image up from the ground up ray tracing I actually learned a little ray tracing way back in the 90s You say put the source here shed it here and then the computer figures out where the light would bounce off and how it would interact It's been around for decades But it's something that is very computer intensive and it was not practical to do in a home desktop PC on a even a gaming PC Ray tracing now with this Nvidia says we are able to do it locally On your computer which makes for much better-looking games Especially things that need good lighting and realistic lighting to look good. I will add that What's so monumental about this is it's real time like I remember doing ray tracing back in college Right, and you would literally set the algorithm and you would walk away and eat lunch and come back in about 30 minutes To see how shiny your little billiard ball Yeah, right. That's the classic one, right? You have the billiard ball with a light up there, and you're like, okay No one touched this. Yeah, and sometimes if you were super paranoid you just you know unplug the keyboard So no one would touch it. Yeah, you walked away and this is huge because up until now you needed a workstation or you needed a cluster of renders in order to do any kind of real-time Ray tracing that was acceptable where someone say hey that was worth the time or the money to put into it and This could help revolutionize the amount of you know, you know small user generated Animation 3d animation in a field that's been typically, you know processor heavy Which also meant money heavy like Pixar or large studios like that So let me ask you guys this Obviously ray tracing is a big idea. Is it worth the price tag on these specific graphics card? I mean I don't find these price tags to be out of proportion to what you would expect in the normal growth of the price tags of brand new GPUs this is this is just the cool thing that this one does the 1080 was really expensive when it came out to maybe not quite this expensive but If you're not into having the latest and greatest video game hardware anyway, then no this is not going to be worth it This is about I have to have the lowest latency the best-looking resolution the best-looking lighting For for the most realistic gaming scenario if you're that person then this is what you're gonna want Someone asked bram Cohen what he thinks about the energy Savings the power draw a good point. Yeah They use a lot of watts Because they have all those tensor cores Remember a lot of the ray tracing being able to do be done locally in real time like Roger said is because the AI is Handling at those tensor cores. 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Maybe two All right, let's move on to the mailbag James from Columbus, Ohio has thoughts on our hotel security conversation We had with Shannon Morse and limper Alta last Friday, which was immediately After Defconn James says in contrast to the hotels you were discussing I recently stated a Hyatt in Montreal and they give frequent guest points for each day that you opted out of maid service as Part of an environmental policy, right? If you don't wash towels, you're saving the earth seems to me it would be more efficient and less intrusive If the hotels you were discussing put their security effort into controlling what entered the hotel Instead of searching rooms, I think they've chosen the intrusive method out of vanity They don't want visible security to disrupt the image of their lobby So they have the security checks going on behind the scenes Well, yeah, first of all, I I think Caesars has the same program which says oh if you don't it's pretty common Yeah, if you don't want the maid to clean the room will give you a credit on something I see that a lot so so that doesn't really play into it It was the people who put the do not disturb sign up and said do not come into my room for more than 24 hours That caused the security so I don't know I I'm sympathetic to James argument that like hey They they wanted to hide the fact, but if you hide the fact Yeah, it didn't work because everybody started talking about it on blogs. Yeah, I also think there's a legitimate impulse behind You know what's disturbing is the person who won't let us come into their room for days on end What are they doing in there? I'm not saying it's this is the right way to go about it But there is a legitimate potential threat there Versus just like oh, yeah, you can come into my room if you want, but don't bother cleaning the towels I you know because the maid will still check the room if you don't have did not disturb They just won't change the towels out. Can I can I say something about this number one? You cannot talk about the DEF CON hotel security thing without talking about the the fact that the attack at that music festival was Uniquely scarring to a town that is built on that is a very good point that it's like this That's the reason why they're doing this and if it happens once It's a tragedy if it happens twice that towns viability Right company the man the corporations that that run that that down their Viability is now at a very serious inflection point number two to say okay Well, this hotel that I go to has a solution for it Understand, but you have to that you have to understand that there are towns like I've heard which intersection it is But it has more hotel occupancy will just one intersection than San Francisco The city has that the the scale at which they need to have security measures is Gigantic so let's be clear the e-mailer was not saying that another hotel had a solution for it No, no, no was just pointing out that there's this maid service thing There it actually isn't related to be honest, and that's what I was trying to do are sure I guess this is this is a huge I think that what happened at DEF CON was a failure to communicate between a very specific clientele and a very Scared corporation that desperate doesn't want this thing to happen And we did bring that up on Friday when we talked about it and the fact that when you were scared sometimes you do things to Allay the fear that may or may not actually solve or prevent the problem And and I'm not I don't want to go too far down that road because that's an entirely different discussion But whether this policy actually was keeping people safer or not is is a question And and to be honest, I think that this had more to do with them proving that they were doing something Yeah, a million different reasons both ethical moral and legal Than it necessarily was about them stopping something. Well, and you know on paper I I'm kind of person who would tend to be like well better safe than sorry But Shannon also pointed out several of her, you know peers who were like, you know I was in the shower and like somebody came into my room. I mean, that's not right either So, you know, there's there's some sort of balance that Perhaps will be struck and definitely folks if you're hearing it for the first time on this episode Please go back to Friday's episode and listen to that entire discussion because there are things We're not going to recover this time around that we definitely talked about on Friday I'm very very sympathetic to all the Def Con attendees that had that had that happen I also know from having many many friends in Vegas the this is not Just a thing that happened. This is like in 20 years This town cannot be here if this thing happens repeatedly Well, you know what will happen repeatedly if we have anything to do with it is Justin rubber young being on the show regularly Justin what's been going on since we saw you I guess it was last Thursday. 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I Honestly before before bram Cohen had had you know, I thought he like coined some term Called gold buggerism But it's and it's not a gold bug is someone who puts in an ordinate amount of faith in that gold will hold its value Regardless of what the social context may be but isn't that like pretty? Accepted yeah, because there there's a reason why we moved off the gold standard is that you cannot Generate enough gold to cover the amount of now that we've attracted the attention of the gold bugs Roger should phrase his As many people if not most economists think X Y and Z the gold bugs disagree But but yeah, well gold is gold durable Yeah, is is gold the best investment versus any other economic instrument That's where the gold bugs and most economists depart and it's it's not to say that gold has no value But rather that it has value, but it's not it's not like this one be all source of value investment and and that turn we are yet emails pointing us to articles of the V&E school And and multiple and the the economists that are that are famous for supporting the gold bug cause and there are a few out there So just get ready to get ready for the for the influx of people telling us why we're wrong to not agree with them about gold Well as long as they're not metal bugs I mean gold gold bugs under the mattress Why not harvest them? That's the safe. Yeah, put them in the safe for for the record it is the intersection of East Trap or Tropicana and South locks Vegas Boulevard that I vote And that has more hotel or hotel rooms, I suppose right occupancy then yeah part of that is a little bit and Sarah and Tom you guys would know this but part of that is that there's not a tremendous amount of hotel occupancy in San Francisco No, it's yeah, it's it's it's in certain calm very concentrated in a couple of neighborhoods That the city itself does not have a plethora of hotels and San Francisco by The size of it is not as big as I think people would probably guess 49 square miles. Yeah, seven by seven So, which is I mean seven miles by seven miles. Yeah, it's a small city Yeah, that's part of why it works the math wise But also it's because it's the the Excalibur Tropicana MGM grand and Yeah, well the MGM grand alone. I mean that probably has More than the entire city of San Francisco. It's a Viennese school. I met Austria in school I was I was I was gonna say I should have it Viennese in Austria and it's but it's the Austrian school Too late to stop that email we are speaking of cryptocurrency Venezuela Seems like things are going well there That a notice sarcasm, yeah, yeah I honestly can't tell anymore sometimes I think people Yeah, I don't eat. Yeah, it's like I don't even I don't quite know What what is what is they're tying to crypto currency? The government is devaluing the Venezuelan boulevard by 95% and pegging it to the government's oil linked Chris crypto currency This is according to business insider a Article that was published this morning. I didn't see it until now that is bound authorities are trying to contain rampant inflation of more than 1 million percent per year It's a lot That's that's such a bunch of fun the whole cryptocurrency of Venezuela. It's another they're they're using multiple destruction maneuvers Sure in my country right now. They're gonna call it the Maduro Sure They're gonna call it imaginary is what they're gonna call it because if that's not My roommate used to work there, you know, one of my cousins Emails Huh, that's gonna be the name of the show. Please don't send me whatever you go bugs. Please do not send me Yes Send us your gold bug gifts the giffy that keeps on giving the giffy that keeps on giving is Don't want to go with that don't throw them in the buzz is it is it a watch? Is it a tracker like is it a watch a question mark? Is it a tracker question mark? She keeps on giving I want to hear about one there's oh, so well, so my cousin actually Well, how long ago was it now probably about 20 years ago she she's Swiss. She's not American, but she spent a year abroad in Venezuela and in in Caracas and Just loved it and you know had only the nicest things to say about it and was like you gotta go down there I mean, it's it's beautiful wonderful country wonderful people the whole thing and so I always kind of had it in my mind It's like yeah, you know, it's you know next time I go to South America. That's definitely where I'm going to go Things have changed a lot since then now, you know, the you know Venezuela's issues with the US don't necessarily apply to some of her experiences because she's not American, but I I Still in my mind. I'm like I'd like to go. I really would I'd like to I'd like to meet the good people of Venezuela, but pretty complicated These probably not the best timing right now. No, no, I mean, I don't you know, I'm safety first but Yeah, it's it's sort of unfortunate some of the stuff that Sorry Do you have ducks are they in a row? It's I guess if it's two ducks, it's still ducks. Yes Two is plural Pluralized, you know, I just realized that data is plural data, but datum datum is single singular singular I don't want your greenback dollar. I don't want your silver change All I want is your love darlin. No There's also now official I think I got an email about it as Partner around noon and I think it just went out to Twitch Prime members, but I think I saw this too Well now no longer provide ad free Viewing all the other perks stay the same but ad free no longer no longer This is twitch so twitches on prime Subscription which you are get for well quote unquote bundled with not not for free with Prime although that's certainly nomenclature they like This will now it used to also give you ad free viewing They have now apparently realized that they sell advertising for a living a wide swap of people not Paying to opt out of it So they will they will retain the twitch turbo program Which allows you to pay to not have ads? Yeah, so you can still get an ad free version of twitch You just can't get it automatically as part of Amazon Prime video or Amazon Prime Right. Yeah, I mean all right always risky taking something away from people I think it's a big screw up on their part And and I don't know if I still have to disclose that that my wife works for twitch I will hurt don't hurt. I think it's it's a They had Amazon Prime Twitch Prime is a big windfall for them. I think it is a screw up within you know the year and change they've had it To pull back that fast on on a fairly key element of it Well, I've gone crazy on Pinterest looking at dog breeds Don't know when the last time y'all were on Pinterest or why but boy or the dog breed people active All I know is when I do a Google image search for something a lot of Pinterest Oh, yeah Yeah, and I always forget because I'm like a Pinterest. I don't know it's about like decorating or whatever You know, it's like it's so much more than that It's Pinterest is is so great for very specific photo based collections of things where I'm like dog breed It's like the Pinterest board there are many and Boy is this a cute one Is there four legs four paws? Yeah, four legs four paws I hope not For you would be in the wrong location. Well, so so and again, I don't want to get ahead of myself I'm so worried that I'm you know, I'm gonna curse it. I'm going to curse it. Yeah, but I'm So apparently the boxer pointer hybrid is called the box of point That's like a I don't know a hybrid of dog that I've never heard of because I don't know or really care about that sort of thing But if you look up the box of points online They often have that kind of funny The that recessive blue eye thing going on. It's pretty common actually and they have real cute markings If anybody didn't hear our pre-show, I'm thinking of adopting a dog Box of point box of points. Yeah, it's box lightning They all say needs a lot of exercise, but very loyal I'm like, okay. We can do that. I like a loyal dog and I like running. So Let's see how this goes Sam's gonna be so mad. This is you won't be jealous cat He's yeah, he's Lucy sort of like friend to anybody, you know and Sam sort of like I need an hour And I'm gonna like look at you from like the corner of the room, you know Like an old man and then then he'll be fine. But yeah, he he I don't think he'll be He's all but us. I think it's also a male thing. He's not great with men Whether it's like a human man or another cat or a dog or just anybody who's a male alien man That's an alien man still didn't like him So when when is this? Yeah, I'm terrified and excited and I don't know just seems something about this whole thing seems crazy, but right You you seem exhilarated by it like Lightning strike It's a bit. I mean listen. I love animals. I've had dogs growing up You know several of them, but I have never had a dog as an adult Single person, you know I've cats currently and I think I think that the whole thing should work out well, but it's like to me It's a big deal. I don't you know, I mean I live on I live on the beach and all my neighbors have dogs and dogs are you know That's dogs are a big part of my life and you know, there's more arrangement of your day required with dogs because yes outside Right, and right to when you're gone. They need to have someone do all of those things for them. All right. Yeah It's it's it's a huge commitment and I you know part of me is like Sarah You're never been stupider. This is a terrible idea Have kids but at the same time. I'm like, well, you know what I'm not having kids currently I've never had a dog. I never really grew up with the dog or a cat to be honest but We have dog sat for Darren kitchen for the last couple weeks On and off when like they were at Def Con. Yeah, they got him But man those dogs they're on they're on a sketch a lot. Yeah Feelings and thoughts and they're gonna let you know, they don't speak English Roger, we know you're dying to jump in and tell us how much more complicated it is for human children We and you're absolutely right Actually, I wasn't but okay I was gonna say that the few times I've actually had to take care of a dog. They're actually pretty Genial and they were pretty like laid back, but it could have been the owners like they weren't at all This one's a puppy too. So this is a little puppy and but remind me what kind of dog it is I actually don't know. I'm not up on on the dog breeds. I know it was a Big dog small dog. What are we talking ball dog ball dog? Okay? Princess peach and She was by and large, okay, you know where we were a little maybe to Focused on how she would get along with the birds because you know, right, right? Yeah takes one One moment where you're not watching for things to go and the birds are used to they've got free rain Right, like the birds aren't just gonna be like caged because you have a dog in the house, right? But also There are a lot of things that are going to just be Useless to literally I won't go into the blow-by-blow of some of the politics of letting while the dog was running around but needless to say That was not so much of an issue. What was more of an issue was, you know, we're doing very normal things like You know settling in to watch some Netflix, right? Mm-hmm. Sure. Sure all of a sudden Princess Peach the puppy wants to start barking and what we don't know You know, there's nothing really that's making any kind of sound that would freak her out You know, we try to make sure that she gets a little treat or she has a ball to play with Doesn't that and I break down I start talking to her like I've trained her like I just feel like Listen, princess. Yeah, so I might go in your thing and you're I don't even know what I'm calling it because she self-sleeping it like me a makeshift dog bed in This whole foods bag that we have and so she was like sleeping. I'm like in the bag Go to the like if I speak firmly enough, she'll understand. She didn't she just kept park Well, so this this particular special buddy You know who may be part of the family. Maybe not he Where we were It's this really cool food store sent no feed And it's it's a big almost like a warehouse type of a thing So there's lots of room and there's dogs everywhere and the whole thing but um This particular dog He was so excited to come out of his crate because they're all created right, you know until someone's like Well, I want to see this dog, you know, let's walk him around the block What do you mean by created like they're like a cage Not like a like the big boxy crates that are caged like Yeah, not not not a small. No, I mean where they live That's where they are during the the thing that they're a went to Not all just milling around all over the right. It would be pandemonium otherwise It is and it actually was yeah I mean if you want to find out what happens next you got to be a patron because we really need to go All right. Bye