 I've seen all your videos. Have you? Yeah, we're doing that. Good, no? Are you a vegan? You just watch all the vegan stuff? We're security from the side. Oh, OK. Wait, wait. So you watch the videos, but what's going on? Why are you a vegan yet? That's just the personal choice. I've seen it. Wait, you would have heard me talk about personal choice. You know, I've heard everything. I've seen you on the TV shows. You all right? Yeah, good man. Yeah, not bad. Yeah. Have you seen that? Have you seen the pigs going in there? Have you seen them all the time? Are you here all the time? Yeah, I work. You work here? OK. So don't you ever think of like, do you ever look at it like, I don't used to eat pigs. Just wondering. Yeah, so like, when you see them and you look in their eyes, they're obviously experiencing reality like you. You know what I mean? Do you ever think of that? Like, they're experiencing reality like you. So they were. I think that they still respect each other's opinions and choices on it. And I feel like I have a... So what's your opinion on that? I have a very educated opinion, but in comparison to other people. OK, so what's your opinion on what I'm saying? Like, they're experiencing reality like you and they're going in here to be executed gas chamber weather. I think that you are entitled to, fully entitled to your opinion in your way of life and I'm entitled to mine. Yeah, but what is... I'm just wondering, Ben, what is your opinion? Because you haven't said it. You just said I'm entitled to... I'm not a vegan, are you? Yeah, but what is your opinion on like, because I used to eat meat and at the end of it, I was kind of feeling like it was wrong. So I was just wondering, do you ever feel that way? Obviously, because I'm a contractor security, there's only so much I will be able to sell on camera, mate. OK, yeah, yeah, I get it. So you're just playing the... OK. Some police officers, like police liaison officers, have given their personal opinion though and some prefer not to, so... Well, my opinion is quite simple. I'm a meatier, yeah? And I respect your opinion. Go ahead. Don't give me much to go with. I just feel like... Wait a second. Do you respect the opinion of like... Do you respect everyone's opinion? You want to talk to your opinion? What about... So what about... Do you respect child abuse's opinions? Well, there's a different... Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Do you respect a child abuse's opinion? No, I certainly don't agree with it. But do you respect it? Like, do you have respect for it? No, I respect it. No, I don't. OK, so you don't respect everyone's opinion? Yeah, do you respect animal abuse's opinions? I wouldn't... I wouldn't do anything to someone mentioning their opinion, whether they put that in the classroom or something. If someone was a child abuse, I'd tell them they're a piece of shit. Well, yeah. And I'd say, I don't respect your opinion. You should be locked up and... But they're words. For example, I don't agree with the racist. I wouldn't do anything. Yeah, that's a good... That's actually a good... For example, look at Mo at the end of the road here. He's a very, very good friend of mine, my security guard. Yeah. Black gentleman. He's my best friend, you know. But if somebody was racist towards him, I wouldn't hit him. I'd speak out against it. Oh, yeah, I would probably give him a mouthful of something. You know, yeah, I would... Yeah, but so you don't respect a racist opinion. I don't respect an opinion. So should I...? They're still allowed to have the opinion. Oh, yeah, you can have an opinion that's racist, or you can have an opinion that is abusive towards animals as well. But I don't have to respect it. I think it comes down to the fact of how much society values your animal life. Exactly. Okay. But what if I don't value some certain human's lives? Does that human still has value? Yeah, but I think that society... You're 100% right in the fact that, you know, if everyone saw where it comes from, there'd be a lot more people your way rather than my way. Yeah, because most people have a half a heart and they don't want animals to be abused. I'm not saying you don't have half a heart. So I think you tuck it away. We've got some defence mechanism there, but... But like, you know, your opinion is that animals are here to be butchered and killed so you can eat them. And my opinion is that they're deserving of life. But I believe my opinion is based on an educational point of view. I know where it comes from. I've seen it. I know it. Yeah, you know it comes from a sentient being who wants to live. And they have their life robbed from them for a five-minute meal. But that's my choice, isn't it? Yeah, rape has got choice to rape. Child abuse has got choice to view children. Then that depends on... Animal abuse has got choice. ...the opinion of how much you value human life in comparison to a pig's life. Well, I don't need to value a pig as much as I value a human, but I just need to value enough not to stab them in the throat for a sandwich. It's not much value, it's just let them be. Well, I agree, but you say let them be. Where in the UK would you see a pig if we weren't using them? I don't think we should be mass breeding them into existence for the sole purpose of slaughtering them for their bodies. I think that's immoral. So whether or not they exist outside of animal agriculture. I think you're right in fact that, you know, so many years ago it might, it may have been just justified that, you know... Hunting and stuff, maybe it's survival you're talking about, eh? Now it's not needed. It's needless. Yeah, yeah. You've got to remember that humans are selfish people. Humans are selfish, they care about what they want. I don't care about that. Do you think that makes it justified if we're selfish? You know, in the same way that, you know, if a man can't get paid in the moment, if I don't need to spend it all on me, I could get by, I could give the rest of the charity to look after people, but... Well, you're talking about doing a positive thing. I'm asking you to stop doing a negative thing. That's different. I'm just asking you to stop contributing to your abuse of animals. I'm not asking you to be an activist and give to animal charities. Yeah, but as I'm saying, you know, it's your choice. There's a difference between you giving to a child's charity and you abusing a child. That one's a negative and one's a positive. I'm just asking you to stop doing the negative. You know, it's still my choice. As I respect you... I know, I've got a choice to walk up to some innocent person over there and keep them in the face. That's my choice. And I don't go, if I did it, I wouldn't say it was my choice. There's a difference between a thought process and doing it to another human. I would disagree. I mean, I personally disagree with you. Not for me. I respect you. If I booed a dog, if I booed a dog, I've just booed at a dog. If I booed a person, I've just booed at a person. If I booed a pig, I've booed at a pig. But as I said, people, ourselves as people, they rank people, things in the walk. For example, 9 out of 10 people wouldn't hurt a dog. Whereas they don't care about it. Pigs are more intelligent than dogs, scientifically. What does a pig possess that a dog doesn't possess? What does a dog possess that a pig doesn't possess? I suppose a human can get a lot more back out of a dog as opposed to a pig. Have you ever hung out with a pig? I think I've one too. Why not? They're smart. I'll tell you what they smell though. They only smell because they're kept in factory farms and they're in shit. But they don't ever defecate where they live. I don't think I've got all the train of pig in my house. You can. What in your house? I've got all the train of pig. No, you should go follow S to the Wonder Pig. S to the Wonder Pig. I know which one I'd rather snuggle up to in my bed at night. Yeah, yeah, a dog. But okay. I wouldn't want to snuggle up to you. I wouldn't want you to be gas chambered and stabbed and turned into bacon. No, but again, it's about the value of, for example, what I value a human life much more than that in my life. Well, maybe I do too. It doesn't mean I want to stab an animal to death or turn them into shit. Yeah, but I am happy for that happening, for me to have the bacon rolls and so on and so forth. But that's my choice. How long does the bacon roll take to eat? Seconds. So that's the pig's entire existence for seconds of the bacon roll. But at least I'm educated on it. I know about it. I don't know if you really are. I think 90% of people who eat meat, I've no idea if it comes on my interest and they wouldn't want to know. It comes from factory farms. Yeah, they just tell it to McDonald's at the burger and that's it. It's a burger. They don't know if it comes on their interest. Yeah. I think in the back of their head they know that I want to go. What if I gave, what if there was bacon that was made of plants that tasted quite similar? Why wouldn't you just go for that one? If they made meat, do you know how they can make meat? Beyond burgers and that. It's called impossible and that. You know, they can grow meat in laptop now, can't they? But it costs a fortune. Yeah, they've made just as good stuff out of plants. Have you tried a Beyond burger? A what? A Beyond burger? No, I can't say I have. Yeah, in Tesco, is that pretty good? I can't say I have. Yeah, there's good plant-based meat options. Some of them are crap, but some of them are really good. But I mean... I really like nuts. But with it being a food manufacturer, sorry, I don't like nuts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, you know, you said about value in human life more, right? Yeah. Value in animals life more than your 5-minute meal and your taste pleasure. I mean, it's just like your taste buds over in animals life. No, you're right. I accept that you're right, but I'm still as the rest of the population is. I'm still selfish. Yeah. I still choose that. I don't think you're always self-ish, though. Okay. Every human has a line of selfishness. So let me ask you this. Would you knowingly buy a product if you knew that you were directly causing through the supply and demand chain the abuse of a small child or a dog? No, because I value a child or a small dog more than I value a pig or a cat. Yeah, and why? Because, again, I'm selfish and I think that... Is there a logical reason for that? Do you have a logical reason to value a dog over a pig or a cat? Yeah, I think it just comes back again to the point and the fact that my ranking of what I'm like more. Speciesism. You heard that word before? I haven't heard that word before. It's like racism, but it's to do with discriminating between species of animals. Dogs matter, cows, pigs don't matter. If I stepped on an ant by mistake, I wouldn't feel bad at all. If I stepped on my dog's foot, I'd care. I'd be like, oh, I've hurt my dog and I'm gonna kiss it better. What if you stabbed a pig in the throat right here and let him bleed out, suffer and die? I don't know. Would you think that... Wait, wait, wait, what's the matter with that? I'll tell you why. Because I don't agree, for example, personally. I don't like the idea of hell out. It's different. Okay. If you're going to do it, you've got to do it the most. Gas chamber. I think... Have you seen footage from a gas chamber? Have you seen footage from inside a gas chamber? Where did you see it? On the internet? Yeah, I've seen things on the internet. Yeah. So they try to struggle and they burn from the inside out because the gas reacts with the mucous membranes in their eyes and the throat and their nose and their lungs and they suffer. Scream. But that's all allowed under animal welfare law. You really want to be... I don't care what the law allows. The law used to allow slavery in the Holocaust as well. Yeah, of course, yeah. But if you look at the way the society's moved on from that, from what it was to what it is, it's getting better all the time. Do you think you would be a... What would you have been in the past, an abolitionist or a slave owner? Based on the fact. I'm probably... Based on the fact that I'm from... I'm not sure to say I'm ready to have a white British male from the UK. Probably more like a bit of slave under the slave. If I was born in 200 years... Yeah, but you probably go on... Oh, it's traditional. We're all doing it. I don't see black people on the same level as white people. Back then, if you speak out against stuff like that, everyone else... Yeah, there was a big... There was actually a war and things like that. But like, in this time here, this type of animal slavery is legal. You know? Then they actually... Again, it depends on your viewpoint and what you want to call it. Like, you call it animal slavery and they call it livestock. Do they use euphemisms? Do they call it humane slaughter as well? I don't know why they call it an abattoir. It's a French word for a murder factory. I don't know why they call it that. Then why are they hiding behind these big hedges? All the slaughterhouses I've seen, they've got big hedges around them. It's a business. That's why. They want to hide the business. It's a business. Because hey, what about... You just had the conversation. If most people knew the chain and everything, you might get less business. Well, what's the matter with that? If it's normal, natural and fine, necessary and all good, and we've been doing it for thousands of years, why can't we show the public? They know what's going on. They just don't see it. They don't want to see it. You watch... For example, you see Peppa Pig, you don't get the kids, they don't get the connection of what's happening. What do you think it's okay to have children? I always ask parents if they feed their children butchered animals, and what their kids might think of that if they found out. What do you think of that? Parents giving their kids executed animal body parts. I don't see it that way. You just see it as a bit of humanely slaughtered Morrison's meat. Well, you know what I'm saying. I see it. How do you think kids will see it? Like a pig, they see the pigs going in, they see him get executed, cut up into pieces. I don't know how to get to farms though. They know the process. No, they don't. No, they don't. I didn't know till I was bloody 20-something years old. You know what I mean? The kids don't know. They don't even think when they're eating a fish finger it's a real fish. I think they see the connection to the drawings of the fish and come from the sea. I don't think they see that. If you stand on the deck of the boat and see it pulled out, it's probably a bit different. It's a boat deck. What are the ones? Is it pescetarians, the ones that eat fish? Yeah, there's a few different names. If you have veganism, it's just a philosophy. Well, when I was having a conversation with the vegans I thought about, what was it just in your opinion? I don't know what it was. It was certain to do with the fact that one of them said that technically you can eat some form of shellfish or something because it hasn't got a nervous system. I always stir a sandwich like that. What do you think? I mean, I give them a benefit of the doubt. I think they've got the beginnings of nerve ganglia. It's still a living thing, but then you can say... Plants are living things. I don't care about plants. I only care about trees as much as they give animals and humans life. Obviously, you've been vegan. Do you care about the environment as in global warming stuff as well? Yeah, I do. I think animal rights is more of a pressing issue. I think, again, with global warming you've got the problem that human selfishness isn't going to change in time. It's not going to happen. Yeah, I mean, people eating burgers and it's destroying the children's future. Yeah, I mean, it's all connected. I think it's a big karmic loop torturing the murdering trillions of sentient animals and it's going to come back to bite us in the arse. Mimicking flesh? Yeah. How does the sausage roll mimic a pig? How does the sausage roll look like a pig? How does a steak back look like a cow? Wait a second. You see people taking a bite out of a cow? You try to make your meat look like you try to make your animals look like food. No, it's like if I see a burger, I automatically see it. That's not a cow, dude. What are you talking about? Burger's not a cow. So, like, people go, are you good to try to mimic meat? Well, you're trying to mimic food. Yeah, yeah. I just want to see you have a plate of leaves, that's it. Yeah, yeah. We're going to have burgers and chocolate and ice cream and, you know, chicken sandwiches and chicken snitzels as well, but we just get vegan versions. Because if you were going to go vegan and you wanted a snitzel, you know, you can have one. You wanted a burger, you can have one.