 Oh, what's up everybody once again it's Ram and Sean and this is Inside the Network. It's our series where we show you exclusive content, interviews, and artist sessions from inside of brahmannetwork.com and this one is a very special interview with a guy by the name of Cash Mace man and this guy is an artist, songwriter, but like I'll just go into some of the things that we touch on in this interview one. At the very beginning we talk about how he sent a DM that scored him over six figures that's over $100,000 with a music placement just sending a DM to someone not even related into music, a cold DM he didn't even know. So definitely stay tuned for that. We talk about how he got a feature with Tori Lane's in the wild thing he had to go through to even make that happen. Him grinding it out working in oil fields, just learning how to get his pin game strong in the first place and becoming someone who's brought and owned his own position. There's so many things that artists can get from and just people who are in music can get from and in general but I think it's just entertaining straight up. Now it's an entertaining insightful interview in the first place. So without further ado let's go ahead and get into this thing. It's the network. Yo Mace, what's up brahman. First of all I'm glad to have you on man our convo that we had before. I love the story. So just first of all like introduce yourself to people. Tell them who you are kind of how you think about yourself as an artist and what you want to accomplish. I'm Kaz Mace aka Benjamin Franklin you know I'm saying I'm the president of Raiden you know I'm saying but anyways you know I see myself you know as the most versatile artist in the game right now you know I'm saying I go alternative I do hip-hop I do you know island music you know I do a little bit of everything but for me I started off as a writer in a studio you know I was writing for a studio in Denver Colorado and that's how I got started pretty much my family has done music my whole life but that's how I got started you know and was able to make strides and moves you know as far as being an artist and that's where I started. Denver is there a scene in Denver? No there ain't no scene out there. But it's it's it's cool though because if you're a known name there and you built you know somewhat of a fan base everybody knows who you are it's not like an LA or like in Atlanta where you know it's a big scene and so you know you're just you know a small fish and you know in a big pond it's more of like you could be a big fish in a small pond in a place like Denver but there's only a ceiling on Denver like you max out real quick. Yeah okay got you well amen I want to hop right into one of the more the interesting one one of the more interesting things that we talked about initially and then get into some of the deeper things of what you got going on currently because you store a placement right for a big company. Yeah yeah yeah billion dollar company man it was it was life changing for me you know it was one of those things where I just took a chance with myself you know I told myself I was like you know what I'm a dope writer I was writing for the studio and was getting a lot of good feedback Max Martin DJ Frankie DJ Frankie was on the hit record see you again with Charlie Putin with Khalifa he was the producer on that song they started off in the same studio that I was writing at and so we had those ties and those connections to them and so they would send records over because they're under APG and they will send us records so they would have me seeing the top line and write it as well and you know so that's that's that's what I was doing I was writing with them and then I was like you know what I'm pretty dope I feel like I want to try to go out and get my own placement because I was writing with other writers when I was doing that and I just thought you know I can do this myself you know I'm saying because I felt like my pain game by itself is strong so I was like you know what I'm gonna take a chance on myself and I decided that I was gonna write a song about women's undergarment I want to test myself you know I'm saying I want to step outside the box because the type of song I wanted to write was something way different than what you know my fans and what I'm molded as as an artist and so you know I decided to step outside of my comfort zone and write about women's undergarment and the company that I knew about from a story about a woman named Sarah Blakely who started a company with $5,000 and you know just going out and doing the research you know on fabric and things like that how she started a company with $5,000 became a billionaire I remember that story and I remember the company being called Spanx and I was like you know I'm gonna start I'm gonna start I'm gonna write a song about Spanx I don't want to just write a jingle I want to write a hit record like I don't want to just I don't want to sound like oh okay we're gonna take 15 seconds here 10 seconds there no I was like I want to write a Bruno Mars type of hit record bubbly but not too not too corny but still hip at the same time so you know I decided to go out and take the the last bit of money I had at the time because songwriting in the studio if you don't place you're not making no money and on top of that I was working in the oil field in Colorado that went under and so you know me I was I was unemployed and so I was like I was living off of what the money that I had saved and so I was like you know what I'm gonna take a chance on myself because I believe in myself so much because you got to be up you got to be willing to be able to bet everything you have on yourself yeah if you want to make it in this game period period and so I told myself you know what I'm gonna take this little bit of money I got and I'm gonna go ahead you know I'm gonna write this song about Spanx because people don't want to hear about the labor pains they want you to sell them the baby and so you know I need to come to the table with a product I want her to hear something rather than me come with an idea and so what I did was you know I paid you know a bass guitar player and then a producer and I went to the studio where you know we laid down a track or you know for the lyrics that I had and I decided to DM Sarah Blakely I was like you know what she probably won't respond she's a billionaire she's a little bit different though I could tell you that I don't I don't think I mentioned to you earlier but I actually met her before man she a little different man really really you met her yeah yeah yeah I never even met her though bro I never even met her it was all you know internet but I decided you know what she's a billionaire she's been on Oprah she's been on every TV show in America but whatever I'm gonna take a chance on myself what's the worst she could say no or what's the worst that can happen her not respond and the best case the worst case scenario no actually the best case scenario I'm gonna have a hit record regardless so I looked at it I looked at it those three ways and so I decided to DM her you know a 30 second clip with like a little makeshift cover cover that I made for the song and and I just told her you know in what ways they could help the company I told her you know it could help her reach a different demographic you know which is the african-american community you know with this song because look at me I'm gonna tatt it up you know I'm saying I'm tatted up you see me how to do rag on but I'm seeing this bubbly song you know you know called Spanx about women's undergarment and so and so you know I was you know I just told her you know in an educated manner I didn't come at her on some you know you know yeah you know I mean I didn't come at her like that's that's real like I saw that you know I got a chance to see DM exchange uh so like it was very like it was a very good a very professional approach I'll tell you all that for sure yeah yeah I'm a college graduate so you know take pride in that but uh nah man I just decided to let her know that hey you can reach a different demographic through music you know which is not not the super traditional way for her company because Spanx was built on word of mouth and so you know I was like you know what you guys have you know a market a need for you know you know the music market you know you can help build your brand through the music market and so I pretty much I DM'd her you saw the DM and um I DM'd her took a shot in the dark shot from the hip and then uh went to sleep that night and then um I woke up and then I woke up the next morning I looked at my uh I looked at my screen because I get my notifications and it showed that she responded and I was like oh my god it was crazy man it was crazy and then obviously you saw the DM but the DM said hey I love what I heard is there a way I could hear more send this to blah blah blah send this to and I send it to her husband I sent it to the marketing to the company the marketing department for the company and um they loved the song they loved it they loved it man they loved it yeah she just sent it to her husband too yeah yeah her husband um he was in the music industry uh back in the day oh yeah yeah he was Jesse James yeah yeah yeah then he moves into like yeah other stuff yeah he and dope module manure but yeah that's that's yeah yeah yeah yeah he owns he owns marquee jets so you know he's doing something big himself too so okay and I mean so to me just to even get to that barrier like let me hear more right says a lot and to me though what I liked about what I got to hear though you said that stuff that you said about hit another demographic and blah blah blah right but the track wasn't like far left from the current brand either at the same time you had a little little flavor to it you know what I mean but it but it wasn't it wasn't like off-brand for them and it wasn't like you were just trying to like say oh no y'all need to go over here because when we talk about adding value the only reason I say that man like so many times when people hear add value add value people usually like offer something and it's like I don't need that you know what I mean it's like no that's not valuable to me that's values to you and you hope and you trying to just get put on through it but yeah like your song man now it was I mean you're a writer so I'm not I'm not surprised but at the same time I'm I'm pleased to hear that you especially from a brother you know they like yeah yeah of course of course of course that whole the route you did it was it was well done though well yeah appreciate it man yeah yeah well I actually I did my research song like I heard the story you know back like in 2012 yeah 2012 I remember that story but um I started I started taking sentiments you know from the story like she was gonna call the company you know she it was between two names open told feel good Delilah and Spanx and so in the song I say open to feel good Delilah you know what I'm saying so so I added these sentiments in a song so when she hear it you know it was personal to her because you hear purple yeah she she could hear like how does he know that I was gonna call it open told feel good Delilah because like it was just in an article that was from way back when you know like me I just you know I just did more research rather than just what I already had I did more research I can incorporate it in the song so it can be more personal rather than just oh he did a song and it has the words thanks in it I actually added these sentiments in it that she could relate to because she's like man I remember that I remember that and so I think that was one of the biggest reasons why it worked because when she heard you know these certain things in the song it was like wow this dude really did his research all right that's huge bro that's huge especially for folks anyone who wants to be a writer right you really need to do your research like we'll get into your artist side of you later but like just the actual writer when you're writing for other people you have to pay attention to those yeah their nuances what's unique about their story because you want to feel like their voice not just a dope song and throw them on top of it so you probably kind of already had that in green to you yeah well that's the same that's the same thing I had to do right before that studio because like I wrote on records that were sent like you know intended I'm not trying to be no name dropper or whatever but like what you're saying as far as knowing their cadences knowing how they their their patterns are you know the way they deliver but like I wrote on stuff like Jason Derulo and you know Pitbull and like A contracts and so think of it so me I had to pretty much imitate those guys when I was you know singing on these tracks and probably try to see it as best as I could to their abilities of what it would sound like if they did it and so you know when you say that whatever like that's exactly you know what you have to do you have to do your research and so me I would go listen to 10 different Jason Derulo songs and hear the way he does his runs or the way you know he delivers you know in a verse or in a hook but like yeah you pretty much that's what you got to do though you got to do your research you got to do how'd you get into writing man because a lot of people would love to be even where you've been in the writing space yeah what happened for me I was actually just I was going to the studio recording my own stuff and it just so happened like you know I'm saying the studio owner he happened to come through when I was like recording something and he stopped and he was hey is this you and I was like yeah yeah this is me he was like you wrote this and I was like yeah I wrote this because Denver's small Denver's real small man so for me it was he was like you wrote this and I was like yeah I wrote this he was like you know when you're done with your session I want you to come talk to me and this is the studio owner he worked at Sony Music you know for 15 years he worked he worked with like Biggie and Pock I mean not Pock but Biggie and Diddy and these are the people he worked with when he was at Sony Music back in the day and so he you know he after my session I wanted to speak to him and he said you know what do you think about you know writing for other artists and I was like you know it'd be a dope opportunity like I never have done it and I never thought about it because I was focused on myself as an artist but you know I was hoping I was open minded to it and so he just had me come in and I was in there with two other writers there was a you know that he was an engineer slash a writer but what they started doing was since I was a fresh set of hands and you know ears and they would um send me home with the beat and then I would write at home and I would come back the next day and we would record all day and so I would come and sing the top-line city songs that you know I bet that they sent me that's all good okay but yeah yeah but that's how I got into it you know I just happened to have like a stroke of luck where he heard and he saw what I was doing and he was like man this guy has a gift and then when you were sentenced above I mean then just the gift kind of reflected itself he just kept you kept doing yeah well it just it made me more because like being around other you know talented minds that can all the other creative minds that you know it helped me because like me I wasn't really good good at melodies before and then out there was a singer there was a singer slash writer that was there he was super dope at melodies and I saw how he was you know hopping in you know on a verse and you know creating these you know riffs and melodies and I'm just like man that's dope whatever and so I started working with him a little more and so my melodies got better you know like me the lyrical side that's easy because you know I started off rapping as a kid you know rapping high school and do these you know rap battles and stuff like that and so like lyrically that's easy for me like writing is easy but like your melodies was the hardest thing and so for me being around those other talented minds you know it really helped me evolve as an artist because it was like it was pretty much like going to school for music because I was I was unemployed so I was in the studio five six days a week for like at least 10 hours at least 10 hours you know for this was for like five six months straight man man yeah that's that's cool for real yeah yeah it was serious man it was serious I like the fact that you said that you weren't good at melodies though because you know those things that we have naturally it's easier it was harder to explain but since you started from a standpoint where you were you kind of had to intentionally get better at melodies yeah what are your tips or what can you say helps to make a good melody your opinion um I feel like you just got to understand you know the instrumentation like just the beat in itself whatever and learning how to write it like that for me that's that's what make good melodies it's how do you ride the beat you know and and what's pleasing to the ear what what what what sounds good you know if something sounds bad you hear and you're like ah like that that's that wasn't a good sound like you know what I'm saying yeah but like when you hear something that sounds pleasing to hear you know you automatically know it's what it's either you have it or you know in that aspect like you can hear it okay got you so it's more of a like especially when you said that instrumentation I mean it's more about the the melody as in the words being said is cool but more so being in harmony with the music itself it's exactly with the instrumentation man like it has to it has to flow like cohesively like you got it has to sound good like you you yeah obviously the only other person that that that can get away with that is blueface like you know what I'm saying yeah he's off beat he has no melody but it works for him but like other than that like you know I'm saying like somebody I think that has real dope melodies is post Malone like you know I'm saying young thug he's dope and melodies as well like so though those are a couple two different artists you know one's hip hop one is I think alternative hip hop I would call post Malone kind of in that wave but I feel like those those two guys are dope and melodies but so what made you decide that it's time to focus back on being an artist again uh for me it was you know um I had success I wrote a song called don't want to know and I had success on YouTube with it you know I'm saying I hit over a million views on it and um so for me it was like damn like in all these you know females with DM and be like oh my you're so hot love and I was just like I was like I was like I'm a good looking cat you know I'm a good looking cat you know my voice is good they keep referring to my body doesn't it I'm just like I need to focus on me let me focus on me and stop handing out these potential hits to somebody else that's already on when I can get myself on right right right dope okay and it was just like literally from there on you were like hey I could write for you y'all come to me but I'm not actively seeking this this right exactly exactly man I was just like I'ma just no matter what it sounds like whether it's pop whether it's alternative I'm gonna sing it regardless it doesn't matter I'm gonna sing it or whatever I write I'm gonna put it out myself like I'm not gonna just keep giving stuff away dope okay and I mean now like would you where would you say you are in your process are you are you signed are you are you independent I'm independent I've been offered some deals that bogus you know bogus deals you know what I'm saying whatever you know you know what I'm talking about bogus deals I've been offered bogus deals but I'm not a dummy I've been in the game for like seven years now you know I'm saying I I've been screwed over plenty of time so you know I learned to you know pretty much put myself under performance rights organization get this get that you know I'm saying pretty much set it up because I've had music stolen from me and they put it out even though I paid them for a verse like stuff like that happened and I learned in the process man so for me I've been offered bogus deals but I'm just like right now I'm just like you know what like I'm my pen is getting better and better and I feel like you know my fan base is growing and I just got verified on Instagram just like a couple weeks ago so you know like my reach is starting to you know pick up a little bit more and so and I've had some you know people DM me that you know I've seen on television that said I like your music and so for me it's just like it's like okay you know you know I don't need their validation but they see me now you know it's happening it's the network all right part of the interruption for a quick commercial break because again this series is brought to you by brandmannetwork.com and of course you probably recognize that name and that's because we signed ourselves that same mentality we preach it's something that we also practice because it allows us to control and actually be able to not have to dilute certain information that other people would not want us to put out now with that in mind just to make it clear with brandmannetwork.com is it's a space it's all about progress all about action this is not some kind of space where artists just go take in courses for entertainment or anything like that we leave that to youtube for those people who aren't serious this is a specific space for people who are dedicated to progress in their career and building their own systems and their own team where they don't necessarily have to wait for a record deal or they don't even have to wait to find a manager right we're seeing artists in four months make more progress and they've made in two years of just taking in this random research on youtube or google or all these videos that pop up on instagram because it's not about the inspiration in here it's about the progress so we're an artist development platform where we get your brand right your content right and we also help you build a marketing plan a custom plan to you to actually make progress keep that in mind and let's get back to the interview it's the network they see they see me now you know i'm saying so for me it's like you know what i'm gonna hold on for a little bit more i'm gonna try to you know it's it's the hard way you know i've been grinding my whole life period so you know i've worked in the oil field work 26 hours 36 hour days so like you know what i'll just you know continue to do what i'm doing grinding the dirt and figure it out you know i'm saying whatever and then once i have a little bit of leverage enough leverage then i'll you know think the route of okay we can work a deal out hey man like i gotta stop you for a second because i know what you mean because you do that it's like shifting you don't go home but you talk about 26 30s is our days and that's what i used to work when i was in the oil field that's what i used to work what is that like bro i gotta hear a little bit like that about that i ain't never met nobody in the oil field before yeah man so like i would get up at what like four like four four thirty in the morning we're gonna have to drive to a place called fort lepton it's like middle of nowhere in colorado and um we we fill up our truck we'd hop in the truck we drive out to like middle of nowhere and um like a bore drill y'all would drive from middle of nowhere to from the middle of nowhere to the middle of nowhere like we're literally when you look out all you see is is grass and wheat all over that's all you see and that's it all around you and you know i'm saying so we'd be out there i have a jumpsuit on hardhat safety glasses gloves man it was crazy it was crazy but we'd be out there all day all night rattlesnakes snow anything we was out there man for hours and hours and uh pretty much like my job was we would dig with like high pressure water to find like um electric lines or you know gas lines underground before they start drilling for oil yeah sheesh man that's dope that's i mean you know dope to hear about it no yeah look it it sucked it sucked but then pay check bro like it was crazy because people aren't really doing it like that yeah because i was i was getting like 80 hours a week i was getting like 80 plus hours a week sheesh and so you know i was on ot by the third day like every time by third day i was on ot oh man okay bring it in yeah okay well like back to your artistry man um i mean obviously like we were talking and then you mentioned how you got something in the works with torey lanes tell me yeah yeah man uh yeah we got a record we got a record together man we got a record together um it's crazy it's crazy because that was that was brewing for a while like that took that took pretty much like a year to happen you know i'm saying because uh me but i moved out here you know and i ran to somebody i knew from college and um you know he hung out around a certain group you know you know how Atlanta is Atlanta is more you know it's more who you know not what you know yep and uh he hung around a certain group you know he introduced me to some some cool guys man and um so i started hanging out with them and you know we took trips to miami blah blah but come to find out one of them was a friend of mine now he ended up he ended up being you know friends with somebody that's part of you know torey lanes team got you know and so um he would always feed him be like hey you need to hear catch me you need to hear catch me hey he's nice and so he sent them a couple songs and it was like oh bro it's dope he was like oh yeah he was like they were vibing to and he was like hey yeah he's dope man we need to need to figure something out and so like that happened like a year ago like when i first moved here and um they came he came back like a month later and was like yeah yeah here's the price and i was like there's no way that's happening he came back with the feature price and i was like uh yeah about that i don't know but that happened that happened and um and then they came back for winterfest you know and i was like in december yeah and um they came back december of last year and uh they we got invited to winterfest so we was on we was backstage we was on stage with torey and um it was a good time man he's a cool dude man but um they invited us to that and then finally i was like you know what i need to figure this out i'ma come up with that money i don't know how i'ma do it but i'ma come up with it because like we we end up we end up going to the club with them the whole nine and the person that was that um that like my music i was part of the team that said he could make it happen he was like what's up man like yeah you want to make it happen like bro and i was like yeah i want to make it happen whatever like just let me get back to you i'ma make this happen i'ma figure it out i don't know how i'ma do it but i'ma make it happen though because like for me i believe in myself so much and i believe in my pain game i believe in my talent and i'm well gonna go to the end of the world and back for it and on top of that me i believe one of the most talented artists in the game is torey lanes period the most one of the most versatile artists one of the most talented artists in the game is torey and i was just like true could i pair up with that i could make a hit with and i was like it's torey lanes if it's not drake drake's an automatic hit that's automatic hit if it's drake and obviously drake's out of reach for a lot of people but uh i was like torey i was like if me and torey get on track together it's it's gonna be a smash it's gonna be a definite smash and so you know me i went out and i tried to you know i seeked one sponsor you know because i got some friends that do real estate business and things like that and so you know i was just like hey bro um i came up with a contract with him and was like hey you know if you do this you know you get a percentage of this blah blah whatever else but then the other thing i did was i sold my car sold my car i sold my car bro i sold my car i was just like you know what like this this opportunity this might be my you know only opportunity to get a song with him he was about to go on tour with drake and so i was like you know what his prices are gonna probably go up they're already giving me a you know you know kind of a deal off of the muscle off of the strength you know i'm saying so i'll just like i've got to come up with this and so for me went to the bank bank said um okay the car all right this car is ours now and i was like all right it's yours give me the cash yeah and so you know that happened um i hit up the team member and he was like all right come down to miami um we're gonna be in the studio on this day uh let's do it and so you know we popped up me and my team we popped up and um tori was like all right i'll record yours in the next five minutes he was working on his he was working on a song that song he had with tiger he's working on some other stuff but um he like i'ma get to yours like in 10 minutes or something like that literally he listened to the beat for two minutes and when i say this man went in the booth and recorded this verse in five minutes five minutes yeah done done and in my mind i'm just like hey you might want to take a little more time on that i just gave you my life bro like hey i gave you everything i have bro like you don't want to proofread that verse yeah you don't want to go back and do a like an edit or something like i don't know bro like i just gave you my life and you took my life in five minutes yo that's wild but with a sharp note with it was it something like yeah hey he killed him i got a little piece on my it's on my page you know i got a little piece of it in the studio but um okay but uh no he killed it he killed it i was like soon as soon as the beat came on and i heard him i was like smash i already knew i was like smash the the way he answered the song i was like smash it's over i mean that's like he's a he's a beast man he's one of those i'm like you said he's one of the most talented man like the the ping game ping i'm that those are those artists are different because i mean it's one thing to just do the freestyle thing or whatever but like he for real writes he writes the people who make like who are not even in the genre you know what i mean that's that's what i'm saying like for me i was like that's why i was able to that's why i that's why i took that chance bro because i was just like i believe in myself so much but i was just like you know what i want to put myself on somebody on a song with somebody else that i feel like i'm in that bracket i'm in that bracket i'm in that lane i'm in that bracket no pun intended i'm in lane but i'm in that bracket you know i'm saying so i was like you know what i want i want to put myself up you know next to tori and i'm not saying like in a competition manner obviously rapping is a sport whatever else but it's more of like me i was like you know what i could sound just as dope on a song right next to tori lanes or whatever and so the funniest part is though like i wrote the song at first i wrote it and then tori came on he did his verse i literally had to go back to the studio and i rewrote my oh hey hey i had to bro like it's like hey i had to i was like because what because me i had wrote that song like a couple days before i went to the studio you know um in miami and um and i felt like i was a little lazy on it i felt like it was more of you know me segueing into just the song being a tori song and not a cashmase song and i was just like nah this needs to be a cashmase song featuring tori lanes and so you know i heard his verse and i was like you know what let me let me go back and let me change something real quick if you know what i'm saying so i went back man and i you know i penned i penned something even way even way way harder bro way harder that's up that's up he started working when do you think you're gonna release that uh i'm not i'm not too sure yet because like me um i have some things scheduled in the work style i'm supposed to go to montana to do a performance um i'm doing a bunch of pre-releases so i'm gonna go to montana i'm gonna go to denver one in kentucky and then i have some more you know waiting on them to be confirmed but um i'm gonna do pre-releases man and then try to build some hype around it and then uh and then you know once i'm getting a feel of you know how fans are reacting to it you know then i'm then i'll release it because for me there's no rush on it you know for me you know it's a marathon it's not a sprint so well 100 man yeah i mean you definitely look you spent that money on the uh on the feature you gotta spend that time and money on the market and mine as well gotta gotta do that right no this has to work it has to work like there's no other i has to work it's gonna work and that's the way i operate you got to take chances on yourself like you have to for me everything that i've done has been me taking chances on myself you know people laugh at the name cash maze when i first started people laugh you know at my first songs but like me i'm a determined individual period like you can't stop me like me there's there's the thing of being realistic and not realistic and me i knew i could write i knew i could write but it was one of those things where okay i gotta get my melodies better you know and then once i started getting my melodies better then people started really then i started seeing traction more more people coming in saying i love your music i've been listening on pandora i've been listening here and then and then i just started getting better and better and better and better and now it's just like i could write something i could write something in my head in my sleep wake up and just go to the studio and record it right now like it's not it's not even a thing anymore yeah you mentioned like that really better know yourself man i'm huge with that man like when i say i found myself at the beginning of my videos now you might you might know that i launched a network and everything and brand man brand man network for sure for sure and like that whole i take that mentality seriously because you know obviously i saw myself relates to the music industry but really just that idea of controlling your own situation even if you are in a label or something like but educate yourself your whole process of i went through stuff and now i'm going to the performance rights organizations like having all my stuff in order you know what i'ma i'ma take that bet on like you know like getting this feature and you set up a contract for yourself so you sold your car but i mean then you even moved to a land in the first place what was that what was that process like because to me you exemplify that whole idea of controlling your own situation well for me like i got that so my video went crazy on youtube and then i got that deal from spainx and i was like i'm ready that's what i knew i because i had the business side down but i was just waiting on you know a song doing fairly decent and then me landing some kind of solidification that people could take take me seriously then you know that i have a major placement so when i come to atlanta and not be just some super small fish in a big pond because atlanta is huge like i came with a placement i met a million people with placements like you know what i'm saying i met a million people that have you know hella followers i met a million people that are verified i mean it's just atlanta is drowned with it but like for me i was like you know what i'm ready now i'm ready to compete like before it was more of my pen's nice that uh but i haven't done nothing yet like i haven't done nothing yet and you know in denver already had reached that ceiling anyways you know i had the biggest following between you know for the hip hop artists in the area and whatever else but for me i was like once i my video went crazy and i landed that song deal and i got that big payday i was like atlanta i just knew i just knew that because i didn't want to go back home come from san diego i didn't want to go back home you know i didn't want to go to la or whatever because it just it's not my vibe okay i once come to atlanta because there's a lot of you know black people that are being successful out here and so for me that was huge seeing people like myself that are being successful obviously there's the scammers and the other stuff that's going on and you know and and people have tried it with me but i'm i'm smart about the game now like me i understand the game i know how to get myself on platforms myself i know how to do this i know how to do that so when people come to me with bogus stuff trying to scam me i'm like dude i already know this that that and third i've been studying this for seven years like so there's no way around it like there's no way you can you can get me yeah so you know once once that um whole deal of spanks happened i was like i'm ready it's time it was just that moment it was like dang it's time but and so within like a couple months it was out of there okay dope man there's no i love hearing that but i also love to hear the fact that you still had you had some idea of strategy and some level of accomplishment not just the whole story of i'm gonna wake up and i'm gonna just go and that's cool right to have that idea just take a chance like they do in the movies and all that stuff but the idea that you said you know what i want to achieve something right to hold to to be able to really have some level of credibility and not look completely like i'm in need of somebody right yeah yeah yeah so to get to get to that next level atlanta was the next level atlanta was like because to me i always look at atlanta like a mecca it's like it's like a mecca it's like you you're gonna go there everybody can sing everybody can rap because like i was on instagram now you know so me i'm like a nerd on instagram i'm looking at all these artists from atlanta and seeing what's different you know who's doing what and what sounds are different and so for me it was like a lot of people are not doing my sound in atlanta you know it was it was either soul singing or it was a kudamata rap you know what i'm saying yeah it was a kudamata and i was like well i don't do that you know i can get busy like that i don't do that and so i was like okay and a lot of people always compared me to you know my vibe to like a party next door or like a bright until or people made those comparisons so i was just like not a lot of people are doing that you know besides you know i think it's like six black or black black black his his vibe is somewhat like that or whatever and there was um there was a couple other guys that i had saw that were in atlanta that were similar vibe to me but i was like there wasn't too many people doing what i was doing and so i was like you know what i can come out there and i can kill because a lot of the women that were on my page that were liking my stuff were in atlanta and i was like i was like well i catered to you know young black women and a lot of black women like you know in my songs it's like i need to be in atlanta so they can actually see me in person you know actually performing and moving around the city there it is there it is yeah so it's a lot more a lot see i i like hearing that backdrop to this because for every artist it might not be atlanta but yeah considering some of those points that you did they might be able to figure out what city makes sense for them yeah that's what's up man that's what's up like just to get like kind of something to summarize things to wrap things up a little bit man because i know been chopping it for a while and there's so much that you have coming where what do you see yourself maybe in a couple of years and after a couple of years because i know you obviously it'll probably be some level of a larger artist what's your your end goal or one of your bigger goals right is it like record label direction or of you know the music what does that look like well in a couple years i see i see my i see myself winning the grammy like that's what that's for show for show whether it's as a writer or as an artist period i see myself winning the grammy period and you know that's gonna happen um but um i started my own you know smaller record label me i want to educate other artists you know so they don't get taken care taking advantage of like the stuff that i learned throughout the years i want to teach other artists how to self-educate themselves you know and how you know they can get tools you know on the internet all you got to do is google you can google a lot of things you could google a lot of things and you can find a lot of things to educate yourself so me i want to give the tools to other younger artists you know and i don't and i don't want to put them in a you know shitty deal you know i'm gonna put them in a deal that's fair you know because me i'm not a money hungry i'm not a money driven person obviously you need money to survive and eat and do these things but i'm not greedy in that aspect i've never been that way i grew up with nothing i've had a lot of money and i've had no money and for me i love music i love i love the crap of music and if i could earn a living making music and taking care of my family and you know even if i made a hundred fifty thousand dollars a year if i made a hundred thousand dollars a year i'm cool because i'm getting to do what i love for a living and you know i'm good because i don't care about chains cars the jewel i don't care about none of that like that's like that's not even me like if you're rarely see me with a chain on or anything like that's not me in the slightest so for me i want to educate other artists and show them the game that i learned on my own and so they can keep on growing on themselves whatever and they could be whatever they want to be and like i don't want to only go after artists that already have a platform like the labels do like you gotta have two hundred thousand followers and a big buzz and a big wave i've seen a lot of artists that have you know two thousand followers and they are dope when i say dope like they are dope they don't know the market inside they don't know you know the business side of it they don't know how to put themselves out there be a social media they don't know how to do it and so like me i want to get artists like that that could potentially write for a country you know singers that could write hip hop that could write pop that can write in any genre because now not only can they write they can sing they can rap they can do anything so they're versatile so now i want to create a label like that where it's not just fast food music i want it to be you know music that a land that uh you know stand to test the time you know those types of artists i want to sign under me that's dope like that even to me even the concept right of just a label who serves artists who are versatile and builds builds itself out to serve those many different talents that's interesting concept dope dope hey man i love it man i love it anybody who's who's uh you 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