 I mean basically I do thought I'll go do a little bit of the show show Oh, we're doing so we've been in Taiwan actually for almost five five years We're social enterprise. Yeah, and we started out in Ethiopia and we built one of the first public Emergency medical services system, so they don't have you do all right. They don't have nine on one So we built one that is like uber version Yeah, that's what we did a long time ago, and then that's an on-profit that's still running now We serve around 10,000 people in Ethiopia Thank you, and then actually the group from Taiwan You're unfortunately did not get to come to visit our hospital, but we did show yeah, yeah a group Yeah, it's a large delegate. Yeah, it's a massive delegate. So unfortunately, we didn't get to see but Yeah, so they're doing all right right now. It's a little difficult because of company, but I know But so we've been doing stuff along these lines trying to do social impact for a while and then in 2018 we launched physioq, which is a non-profit organization in the US that helps to Basically build software for researchers So like you know like you're you from Silicon Valley, you know How great some software is and then if you go to medical you also know how behind a lot of software is as well So we basically took a technology approach to democratizing research Using wearable devices to reduce the cost so like you know normally, you know how you know it's right So it's like it's really expensive So that's very entries really high and then if you have wearable device one most of them are open And if they are open and you know how to code when not most doctors don't know how to code most, you know Researchers don't well not every research no, so we basically do the middle part for you and make a project manager software So that's lab front. So that's what we were planning to launch in April like this like lights won't but So I was supposed to be in the US for like yeah, yeah February March April and then Simon's laughing because we're discussing how I was supposed to be in the US But obviously did not you know that did not make sense at the time And so we can't launch our product you want to do it But people are there's stuff that's more important right now than just the research element sure so we went and Talk to our advisors We work with a lot of doctors at heart medicine on the public health side and they were coming to us and they're really worried about what's going on Right, you know like it's interesting like Boston, you are a lot of people and go back and forth with New York You know these cases going really high. They're worried that it's gonna come to Boston as well They're saying what can we do about it? So from our side after a lot a lot of discussions We basically came up with Nia, which is the project. I know you saw a bit of it. Yeah, but it basically it's instead of You know just a project just like just a research thing, which is not tangible to people Why don't you make something that can allow people to actually check in on family members? Like I'm living here in Taiwan. My family's in New York My family's in Boston my family's in San Francisco. How do I know that they're okay? And you know and we're just asking them you can't find out anything But we already have a platform call that from that does data collection research so we just built an interface on top of it for families and then You know just allow them to connect to get actual real data and I saw that you had a conversation with Carmen And they got along along very much the same exact So they told you all about their work was I'm not going to tell you about their real But there is good really good things that they can collect that's actually both useful for research and useful for families to see So what we're we do is basically, you know, you create your own family model And you know, you can add wherever you want into your family and you take care of the data yourself and you get to see everything Now because we're doing our platform is for research So our thing is already encrypted already have a compliant everything is whatever You know most users don't know or care, but it's you know, it's already there and then And then we basically offer them, you know our partnership with carbon right now They are willing to give a discount on some devices If you donate your data for research purposes, so People that use Neo actually get to you know, take action against COVID They can actually take this and then their data and then you know Contribute it to the fight and then so we're building a big massive anonymized data data bank of new users from all across the world and then Opening up for all researchers for free One, you know takes a little bit of time to organize all the data But just allow me everyone to do this and do their part. So that's basically what we're doing right now and then So when I was talking to Ray, you mentioned well, let's say Taiwan can help like you guys are in Taiwan You're doing something that's helping like maybe we talk and is there anything else we do because I have nothing I don't give nothing to sell. We're just trying to understand is there sure for sure that can help what you're doing Yeah, I just had a very similar conversation with Palakir this morning. Oh, really? Okay, and then they're offering their workbench software called monocles in the NE AWS instance They can just you know spin it up and operate for free for anyone working on COVID to do their own data pipelines And we talked a lot about data visualization and building interactables So that everybody participating in the kind of data collaborative that you're Describing and can understand first the the actual impact they're having To to this like a little bit of my input actually goes a long way to work evidence-based policy making and And although you did mention that not a lot of people care about the the data flow the GDP are you Things like that a really good Interactable web page is all it takes for people to start caring and start sharing Because if they don't care they don't curate your data, and if they don't curate their data much of that is noise You can't do it just for research it has to have a value to them So that's right. So our our angle is let's do from the family angle I think that makes perfect sense to take the Collecting and then visualize it on a larger angle as well. That makes perfect sense. That's right. That's right because that then also visualizes not just the family connection part of the kind of emotional incentive but rather the truly altruistic like contributing to research But there's a connection between this one to to that one like a larger family family of humankind or things like that Yeah, so I think that's a really good angle that we're pursuing through our co-hack And of which I think we got a lot of ideas It closes yesterday And I did suggest Garmin and anyone who are interested to participate So co-hack is a week long hackathon and the hackathon topics were co-curated Because this is under the umbrella of the US talent joint statement to counter coronavirus So we asked the top experts in the CDC here the CDC here the CDC there To to give us good ideas Like good problem to be solved and there are certain suggestions that may be legal in the US but not in Taiwan For example, there was one suggestion that we should prioritize the ICU so that when you will come in It's not on the first in first serve basis, but rather on you know your your remaining contribution to the society Focus which is illegal in Taiwan It's a very US way of thinking So we do so we did have a regulatory impact assessment you're my assessment group that put a red light on it So we keep that we keep the legal And then for the last week as for anyone who has some MIT licensed open source code To record three minutes describing what your code base does and how it responds to one of the six category Problem to be solved and then we'll run a panel of judges. I'm not part of it I'm just the one who calls people together and then the experts will let us know which solution looks the most promising And the winners will get a laser engraved from both sides A respirator that could be used to disinfect the mask But an engraving basically promises that their idea if applicable to Taiwan will be adopted by the CECC as official platform Not necessarily by a procurement basis because you've already opened social code Yeah, so chances are it will be running on private data Here within the CECC purview so but you'll be a first consultant of how to make use of this So that's the structure, but many proposals those three minute videos describe solutions That are frankly speaking not very able to Taiwan They would be in like the month with that community transmission And so the US counterpart will also evaluate although they did not commit to say they will always be implemented federal level because they have a different relationship with the states So So but but they will of course just push it as far as I can and I would tweet those winners three minutes videos on my Twitter At least which is some viewers and that's that's a busy structure. Okay. I understand. So anyone can fly for this That's right. That's right. It has to be a wind source So yeah, the whatever whatever you're describing. Yeah need to be open source. Yeah, but it could be operating on for example the kind of Biometric or private data that that's fine But it's better code itself need to be a yes, so the final structure of this Yes, for example, there are interfacing parts with for example a partner garment, right where they have their Of course, so those adapters, of course, we understand our proprietary But the one that you designed to address this issue that core part for example the workbench and so on the Digitalization the dashboard need to be open so and the reason why is that we for international procurement tools This is actually very difficult like for for the US to procure a Taiwan winner. Yeah, it doesn't really work So that that's out of necessity Well, um, that when we start so it's already it's already started. It's already gone. Yeah, it's actually closest yesterday We had this conversation a little bit too late If we announce the winners they'll be very public and so I'm sure that each of us can contribute to their work as well That's essentially what Ponteo was saying this morning. Yeah, it's that they offer the help to whichever winner That there are they've already worked with many kind of state-level Hospitals across the world and so on but they are also looking forward to partner with the social sector private sector People if the government Thinks this for a really good idea that has a good chance of being implemented They're happy to work with them as partners as well as kind of a extension of their program So I'm just curious then because a lot of the currents, you know, what is problems in other places are not so relevant here in Taiwan What what are the solutions that are you guys more interested looking for and what is the direction that you think is the Direction that you want to be pushing yourself Yeah, so first of all this kind of can help campaign right so we were dedicating a lot of Energy into designing things that helps other jurisdictions So like the air labs, which has a open source implementation of the Bluetooth trace together Singaporean saying but even more privacy preserving and of course, we're not deploying it We don't have a use of it now But the UK is interested so they're offering their source code and things like that So we're happy to offer our kind of spare energy Right and just like we have spare mask protection Facilities now so we're asking people to go to the app and say whether they want to dedicate your uncollected mask And then now there's like more than four million masks Maybe five hundred thousand people or something or did not collect those masks They still have black or if they can use the rest bookers really well to So then so they have spare and and so they just Reframe from collection and and dedicate and their 30 Mask goes to international partners. And so it's also a data collaborative in a sense So that's that's part of that. And so what we're trying to do is to go beyond the traditional humanitarian like state-of-state idea but rather go epicenter to epicenter Yeah epicenter to epicenter each epicenter faces a very different set of challenges that are very different from every other epicenter And even in the US, I mean Yeah, it's very different for each other. So we have a series of bilateral talks, of course We're looking to just write in DTR model and share it in the World Health Assembly. We'll see how that goes But but the fact is that we've been working a series of bilateral relationships with the ongoing epicenters when it comes to the research the models the understanding of the coronavirus the incentive design of how a few people wearing masks Taking care of themselves by reminding themselves not to touch their mouth and watch their hands properly can then Through selfish and not a juristic incentive design remind other people to start wearing masks Which also protects itself in a kind of altruistic by-product Coming from an American background You know like a master not part of the Society so so like actually just flipping that switch and understanding It's like oh like it doesn't really matter what you're doing it for because at the end You do have the immunity in the sense because of the full, you know There's lots of White House staff are now wearing yeah, and then these must all say made in Taiwan Yeah, so that that's our focus is mostly to share our experiences so what yeah How can we get connected on that help like how I can help like network like what do we do sure? so the first thing of course is go to the Co-hack and and the winners will soon be announced and work with the winners because they are going to be kind of the international team Right that they will symbolize the kind of help that we can concretely offer and just like volunteer If you can offer connected services or if some of them already use wearable Then infrastructure that you just plug right in to to those infrastructure. So that's the first wave The second wave is going to be the presidential hackathon. And so we're now in the voting stage So you can also go there and vote Whatever ideas and resume hackathon is not only concentrated on stage u3, which is what everybody is concentrating on But rather it's looking at a post-coronaut world and look at all the simple own goals and see how that changes Thanks, because it does change your sense. It is let's people see that it's actually possible to get the carbon emission targets Yeah, and and if we want to have a realization of economy Maybe we don't have to go back to the old normal of linear economy But can do circular design that the right way because for once everybody is Sharing the same dashboard of data and that makes circular economy actually where our international scale And so the presidential hackathon has a lot of those ideas and you can participate Through the quadratic voting interface just to vote on the project But you think are good and you can also offer yourself as resource people as individuals to join those teams And so the winner of presidential hackathon wouldn't get a rice cooker, but rather would get a micro projector Like we're very electronics So anyway, so if you turn on the projector, it will show the president's image Showing the president giving the trophy to the team and promising whatever you've done in the past remorse We'll become public policy nationally within the next 12 months And so it's basically the president sharing her executive power as the reward But then necessarily as procurement Maybe you just be invited as experts in allocating public budgets to make that public infrastructure Or we can decide to ship it as a social enterprise and then just support social enterprise with Guaranteed business basically and things like that. So so the presidential hackathon is the next step after this corona Which is a heck of a which is mostly about next few months. The presidential hackathon is about the next year Got it. And then so right now so Mio's launching on the 15th and then we have right now Initial launch is US Canada Taiwan, but Taiwan's obviously not you don't need it For people like me that are And then we have about 10 other countries in Southeast Asia planned So we're I mean right now we've around 10,000 people on the waitlist So there's a there's a good, you know support behind it Is there anything there that we could we could leverage anything there? You know that would be either networks that we could tap into to get the message out there So is this already localized like in terms of language? So right now it's like it's an English Okay, so that that makes it harder. Yeah, because it would take us 10 years to become a truly bilingual That's the plan anyway But yeah Yeah, so so it was good translation Then there's plenty of ways that we can we can help For for example just by sharing the fact that there is such a platform that if you have families of receipts Yeah, you may want to connect them to I mean this YouTube video is one of ways to popularize that because on average with 1000s or tens of thousands of viewers of these videos and so just the availability of such a platform I think it is very powerful by itself and if you can work your Platform into one of the co-hack or presidential on witness then get they get a lot of coverage And and that will buy by its nature Become kind of at the extension of your platform that shows not only your immediate application But what you're capable of and and that's what we've seen in the past presidential hackathon cases The reason why htc or Many other large brands participated in the presidential hackathon as volunteers Essentially is not to to earn a profit out of that participation But to show all the ministers because if the president gives the award and the women the minister says oh this Required a law change. We don't have the budget for that All it takes is for the vendor to turn on the micro-projector And then the minister say oh we'll go and change the law. Yeah Let's have a cross-minister meeting. That's what actually happened. Yeah, it does really happen. So so basically Then the relevant ministers will have to learn about your platform If it's part of the presidential hackathon team's solution set And so that's the amplification channels, but I'm personally always willing to give you a job So if you launch, um, I also have friends overseas. Yeah, I also care about uh, They're worried about and and so we can try out together. I'm happy as you are you're a pilot user That'd be awesome. Um, can I how do I get information so I can send this stuff to you? I use the card Okay, so I'll send it to you When we launch, um, well, I think we'll translate to to manner and at least the the info page or something Um, just so that you can get that and then um, and then we'll move from there like other like now Just, you know that the use kit in taiwan is not very high. So there's not a huge priority to do that. That's right. That's right But um, so we're focusing there's countries that well you can always, uh, process the the translation Yeah, so that's what trans effects or whatever. Yeah, exactly. So that's that's what we're looking at right now So just do that. Awesome. So, um, but yeah, we're just like we've been just busy working on there You know, so I mean, it's great to hear that there's a bunch of other stuff. It looks like we missed out on both Uh, but but uh, you can still vote on So you can and can share the ones that has the most energy to you and mobilize a lot of people to vote Definitely, definitely Engage the yeah engage the stakeholders. Yeah, for sure. Awesome. Anything else any questions for us or anything that Um, so is the why the name neo are your matrix funds or something? Well, you know, I mean, yes Yes, exactly why and it's uh, you know, if you watch two and three they're fighting the virus, right? They're fighting agent smith. So, you know, neo the one to fight the virus, right? So gives you that power I actually have to have no kfm, but I didn't bring it They did a 4g version of Yeah, I actually have the other one right actually this is I got the flip one I also had that one Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. All right. So excellent. Good to meet you And uh, let's we'll see how we can yeah, very good to learn about your way. All right. Awesome. Cheers. Yeah. Thanks. Bye