 Hey everybody, welcome to Linuxcast, I'm your host Matt. I'm Tyler. And I'm Steve. And I'm Josh, because apparently I have last. Guys, nice word again. He who comes last gets most of the gold. From now on, I swear I'm just going to introduce everybody. Honestly, hello, I'm Matt. And that's Tyler, Steve, and Josh. Those are the fellas. We're here for the Linuxcast. I'm going to have to rely on you guys remembering the things that I said literally 30 seconds beforehand. Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Do it. Do it. Do it. I'm OK. I'm OK. OK. We cracked Tyler up, which is good, dude. As long as we're entertaining Tyler, I'm sure we're going to be fine. It's going to be a good one today. Yeah, anyways, welcome to Linuxcast, guys. We are back for another episode. By the way, this is our third episode in a row, which is actually kind of impressive for us, because normally we don't do that many in a row. Usually we have to take some weeks off and stay as far away from each other as possible, because they can't get the order, right? And I'm going to murder them all. Seriously, it's all their fault. Nothing ever goes. Anyways, this is Linuxcast. We talk Linuxy things. That's what we'll plan to do today. We have a wonderful topic for you guys. It's going to be awesome. I'm sure we're going to have a lot to say about it. It's definitely going to be better than all the rest of the topics we've ever had. There will be no tangents whatsoever. We've never done that. We're going to stay right on topic. Crioxon, I don't know if that's your name, but I understand that people in the video can see the names. But this is actually, I don't know if anybody knows this, but this is actually a primarily audio podcast. Surprisingly. The majority of the people who listen to this actually are doing so via audio. So we have to say our names. Otherwise, people won't know who's speaking. Most people have already listened, so they would know. But still, we're not quite famous enough to not introduce ourselves. Anyways, we're going to have a good time. We're definitely not going to be diverted by people in chat. Anyways, but before we jump into the topic, now that Matt's got his head back on straight, we're going to talk about what we've done this week in open source, FOS, all that stuff. So Josh thinks how you went last and we're really pissy about it. You can go first. What have you been doing this week in open source? I have been troubleshooting servers all week because we've had over at work, we started having some hardware failures on our brand new IBM servers. Well, they're not IBM or Lenovo servers, but whatever. But yeah, I suddenly hate Lenovo with passion because I call the support line and immediately I'm talking to a person that doesn't speak English at all. And I hit one for English. I don't know how to speak whatever language you're speaking to me. Well, but yeah, that was my Monday and then my Tuesday, I finally got a hold of somebody that would actually be able to speak the same language as me and we quickly determined that the backplane for the SaaS drives that are in the server, the backplane just prematurely failed. So then I had to, I ordered a backplane and the only way I could get it is if I could drive all the way up to the north end of Indiana, go pick it up and then bring it back to work because this was manufacturing critical and had our entire facility shut down. Like this is seeming awful similar to what happened with Toyota like not that long ago. So you actually had to drive like, drive all the way out there and come back? Seven half hours, one way. Like you actually had to drive to Indiana. Yeah. You know, if there's one state in the union that's worse than Ohio, it's Indiana. Sorry. At least the roads are paved. I hope your coworkers like you, because that's a nice gesture. It's been 14 hours going into this part. Hopefully you got reimbursed for gas. It's called I Reimbursed Myself because I have the job title of stakeholder. That helps. Yep. Just an extra incentive. But was there anything open source that was done? Well, I did have to rebalance the butter FS array after I got the SAS controllers up and running again, but that was about it. You did distro hacking with Linux from scratch. I did do distro hacking with Linux from scratch, yes. I successfully distracted you and got you to play zero AD. Yes, yes. You only delayed us for about 20 minutes because that's how long it took me to lose the game. It was a good game. But it lasted longer than me because I'm horrible at that game. All right. Steve, what have you been doing this week in open source? Okay. First, I need to start off by saying Mohammed Zahid bin Hun. After that, I'm going to say I've been up to a lot. I've been working with the grub people to get the XFS issue finalized because they fixed it. They were contacting me via that email thing, whatever it's called, the email list, that people call it email list. I don't know. Yeah, mailing list. Mailing list, yeah. So we went back and forth until we finally got, after three releases, pushed to Arch. I don't know why they pushed it to Arch, the maintainer of grub on Arch. Why did he publicize it, made it public? But anyway, finally today with the dash four, the fourth release finally fixed. The patch was included. And I've been working on an update for the Zero Linux tool where people can now install and set up DistroBox with Docker and please, Josh, don't say anything about Docker. It will set it up for the user without the user doing anything. And then it provides the top five images, which is Debian 12 Quick Worm, Fedora 39, OpenSusa, Tumbleweed, Void, and to make Josh followers happy, Gentoo. So five different, completely different distros because I didn't wanna have multiple Debian distros or multiple, and since it's on Arch, I wasn't going to provide Arch. So I created that. And I started reading a book teaching me how to successfully use Bash without making my code dirty. How to clean up your Bash code. Oh, so you're reading that like rules of power book? Kind of thing, yeah, that kind of thing. Is it written by terminal for life? I don't know who it's written by. I'll read that book. It's only 200 pages long. It's not very long. Does it have pictures? Cause if it doesn't have pictures. It's mostly pictures. It's mostly pictures. It's mostly thumbnails with descriptions underneath it. I read pictures better than I read text. I read pictures better than I read text. Come on. And finally, finally, to end things out, I am playing around with the Gen 2 distro box image. I'm finally understanding why people go crazy when they use Gen 2. Thank you, Josh, for teaching me how to update. You're welcome. That was my first step. Now I know how to pull packages and build packages. Well, not completely, I'm still doing stuff. Learn use flags. That's the next part. You gotta learn how to use use flags cause that's the power of Gen 2. And then after you learn use flags, then you get to learn how to tune your compiler for even more performance. Well, first I really want to play around with something called, that Matt hates, that's called Sisyphus. That's on Redcore. Oh, only on Redcore? Yes. It's a Python for an merge or a portage. So don't worry about it. Can't I use it on Gen 2? I like the name. Probably. You might be able to have no idea. I wanted to, but why would you want to? Cause I like the name. Sisyphus. Okay. I mean, you could just write an alias for like a merge. I'll explain why I like the name because Fis in Arabic means fart. Oh, sis fart. Oh, I get it. Sis fart. I like it. Cause that's what Gen 2 does, it farts. All right. It farts in your face. Kyler, what have you been doing this week? Well, so, I mean, I still got PopOS on the laptop that is right back there. PopOS has been good. Still using it. I got the desktop computer, doesn't have its NVMe drive in, but I've got the Windows install that I want on it all set up. Don't worry. It's not like I'm living in Windows. Well, I have been for the past couple of days, but that's just because I haven't been able to make up my mind on what I'm gonna install my NVMe drive. It's obviously gonna be Gen 2. I think it's... Well, I think it's gonna be Debian or something just because it's finally up to date enough to where it supports all of the hardware. And I don't really... I'm only gonna be using this for like maybe doing podcast, like maybe like the most creative stuff I'll be doing is like doing the podcast with you boys. So I don't really need anything special or like up to date or anything like that. Like, I'm probably fine. Just use LMDE. No, I don't like it. I mean, even if I go with Debian, it's gonna be, it's probably gonna be a window manager just because, like I can. But yeah, I mean, I really haven't been up and doing all that much other than just like absolutely trying to derail anybody else who's doing something productive, you know. He's been trolling the whole week. I wouldn't say it trolling. I'm just literally trying to stop people for being productive and playing video games. You're not gonna be playing Zero AD on that thing? Well, I mean, Zero AD's installed even on Windows. I have turned into the worst Zero AD shill ever. It's installed on every single one. It's even installed on my Steam Deck. If it was installed on your phone, then we know that was true. I use an iPhone. Let me install it on my phone real quick here. Hold on, hold on. Can you get Zero AD on an iPhone? It wasn't in the app store. This is a pine phone, sir. I know it is, that's not the question. The question is can I get it on an iPhone? Cause then I'm in serious trouble. Tyler, when you first got the iPhone, you talked about an app called like what, ISH or something like that? Yeah, yeah, I use it on my iPad. Could you theoretically install Zero AD in that? It probably doesn't come with a next server or anything like that, right? Well, I do believe that there has been some work on getting GUI or desktop applications to work inside of ISH. So I could do some looking into it. If I start touching my keyboard, I'm gonna get really distracted and not participate in this podcast at all. We're enablers is what we are. Not doing this at all, yes. Well, here's what you do, Zany. You grab yourself a Macintosh computer, you install Xcode on it. And what you're trying to understand is the quickest. I've used it before? No, it's not, it's horrific, but yeah. Yeah, and then you get clone Zero AD and then you recompile Zero AD for your ARM architecture because you know we're using Apple devices, so we gotta use a new hot disk on our arm. And then you have to attempt to load it and see if it actually functions to begin with, but you need to pay the subscription so that we can have the iPhone development kit. Already got that, it's all good. So we can actually double for your iPhone. Okay, and then to be able to publish it onto the iPhone, you need to then email a ticket into Apple's Store Support. Oh, getting it, no, no, wait, hold on, hold on, I'll just go ahead and stop you there. Getting it put on the App Store, that's just a no-go. Like I would literally have to go to Apple's offices, sit down and kiss someone's toes to be able to get permission to get it on there. Oh, well then you're not gonna get it on there. You could use the test suite, what is it, test flight or whatever it's called? Yeah, test flight. I mean, it wouldn't be for anybody else, but you could just use that for yourself. Oh, question Matt, did you try a Vivaldi on the iPhone? Yes, I did, it's bad. All right, so me personally, I've done a few things this week. So first, I've been playing around with NixOS, I don't wanna talk about it. I've been playing around with Hyperland, also don't wanna talk about it. I didn't see my previous works I'm talking about those. They're really not as bad as I'm making them seem to be, but I'm just kind of not there talking about them right now. But the thing that I wanna talk about is that first, I just wanna mention, my Discord server is fucking awesome, guys. If you haven't joined my Discord server, you definitely should, because the guys there are just fantastic. Now, not only do they help me, but they help each other out on Linux. So we have this whole forum channel where people just go there for tech support. It's amazing. But the reason why I wanna say that is because twice this week, my Discord server has just been, it just came through for me. So first, I had someone spent about two hours with me working through the problems I had with NixOS and teaching me stuff that I needed to know. And the second one is someone spent almost two hours helping me get hard, because I've had a hard time getting Hearthstone running on open SUSEA. And I just couldn't do it. We tried Glorious Egg Rolls, work around because I was having the same problem I needed, didn't work. We tried the Lutris version. We just tried running it straight through one. We tried doing it through Steam. None of those things would end up working. But what it ended up doing is actually installing it in an Arc-based distro box, installing all the wine stuff inside of the distro box. And now I can play Hearthstone on open SUSEA. Distro box is freaking awesome. I love it so much. It's so good. Anyways, mostly what I've been doing other than work and doing stuff for the channel is playing Hearthstone, like a lot. Like seriously a lot. It's such a good game. I'm such a nerd for it. I never understood it. I never played games like this. I never understood it. Yeah, you gotta watch some other people play before we can really get into it. But once I did, it's good. Anyways. Are you running it through the BattleNet launcher? Yeah, yeah, you pretty much have to. Anyways, it's really good and it runs flawlessly inside of an Arc-based distro box. So good. I have to run it from the terminal because I could not get the battle.net export or .exe to actually export to the host, but it's not that big a deal. I just run an alias and it works fine. One question, one question. Since you are the boss here when it comes to distro box, how do you use flatbacks in distro box? Because here's the thing. When I run flatback update inside of a container, it detects the flatbacks that I have on my host, but it won't update them. Okay. I mean, I'm sure there's probably a way, but I'm questioning your reasoning why you're using a flatback in distro box. No, I'm not using, I'm not using. I'm just saying when I run update because you know, distro box containers use your home directory, right? And I have my bash RC in my bash RC I have when I run an alias for updating the system. And that alias runs sudo pacman dash s, y, y, u, and flatback update. This alias runs both command. You're gonna have to not run the alias is what you're gonna have to not do. Well, I mean, first off, you'd have to make sure that, I mean, if for whatever reason you wanted to have the alias work, you'd have to install flatback and get it set up. I mean, why would you? No, I have flatback installed. Kudas got the answer right now. Kudas with the answer. Distro box dash host dash exec flat pack update. Don't use flat pack in distro box. Just, it really defeats the purpose of distro box complete. I understand your point, Steve, that it's because you have the alias and it's just running use one to run, but I would just use a different. Yeah, I'll have to create another alias specific. I just wanna use distro box. That's my solution. Yeah. I'm just, listen, Josh, I'm using distro box to learn different distros without having to install a full on VM. If you wanna, you wanna install GEN2, it's literally the easiest way, but it also, if you would speak to any GEN2 user ever, one of the reasons why you use GEN2 is because you learn how to win so much about GEN2 during the installation process. So you're really bypassing all the stuff that you're doing, so. No, I'm not, I don't wanna learn GEN2 specifically, just different distros, like Fedora, like Void, like, I wanna learn the commands in terminal to get myself familiarized a little bit. Then I'll install the full thing in a VM in something, but first I wanna familiarize myself with the commands in different distros. So I was just wondering, and I did see some solutions, but yeah, and one last question, why didn't they create a container for Android yet? That is a good question. That is a good question. They haven't, because I went to their GitHub and one of the developers, if not the main developer, said it requires a lot of kernels, shenanigans, whatever. What's that Linux distro that does all the Android stuff? Is that endless OS? Especially the E? I don't remember. There's like a Linux distro that does all the Android stuff, so maybe there's an image for that, but I don't know. Why didn't they see the full list of available images? Because distro box don't have the full list. Well, the list that's on their websites, out of date, so I don't know. It'd be nice if there was a command that you could use with distro box, so it'd show you all the list, the official... The Docker I.O. available distros. Yeah, and Docker I.O. is not the only registry with the images. There's different places. If you look at the website, there's Quay, Q-U-A-Y.I.O. or something, and then a lot of the distros specific actually hosts their own images, like Red Hat does, and Ubuntu does, I think. There's a few of them anyways. They host their own images. But distro box, I just wanted to agree with you that distro box is amazing, but just one thing, don't rely on, don't use distro box and put your private code on there because if something happens to the container, you're shit out of luck. What are you talking about? Like, if they're developing something on a container and they have their code in the container, well, no, the code goes into your home directory. Literally, they share home... Now, if you were to create a distro box with its own home directory and then then back it up, you have a problem. Yeah, you have to do that explicitly. That's whatever. Yeah. By default, it uses the host home directory, which is, I think, awesome. So, anyways... Yeah, amazing. Now that we've nerded out over distro box for a while, and I think we should... Sorry. Seriously, do that every episode just because it's so good, which I plan on actually doing it every episode, by the way. We're gonna have a distro box corner. Just me talking about distro box for half an hour. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's fun. Yeah, all right. So, Tyler, this week, you chose the topic. So, my friend, what are we talking about this week? I'm so glad you're letting me just come in here and do this. So, I'm gonna start crap between everybody in chat. But so, the question was, are corporate-backed distros, or really, I tried to put it as not just corporate, but just any type of business backing a distro. Is that good for the community, or is it a good thing? Or I think kind of the way I phrase it the first time was let's talk about the reasons why someone might choose a corporate or business-backed distro. And I have a feeling that everyone here is gonna have some, like, again, everyone here is gonna have opinions against and for this, but the point is for at least us talking in this room to go over reasons why you might want to go with one, or reasons you might not. I have one reason. Only one reason to go with corporate-backed distros. You can trust them lasting longer than a couple of years. That's true. I don't think anyone could debate that one. That one's a pretty good point. Not even Hannah Montana Linux is true, it is maintained anymore, so yeah, that's a good point. I honestly don't understand how, though, for being honest, a company should have picked that shit up real quick. No, right, canonical. What are you doing, man? They had a team there, man. I think Hannah Montana Linux was just ahead of its time because now companies realize if there's a joke going around and you get behind the joke, you can make a ton of money. But now, like, you're back in. Here's something that is really scary. There are kids born that are old enough to, you know, rationally think. They're in their tweens. They have no clue who Hannah Montana is. That's how long ago Hannah Montana actually was. Think about it. I'm like, I'm the youngest one in here. You shouldn't be trying to make me feel old, okay? Like, you're old, man. I'm just saying that there are kids in their tweens that have no clue. They know who Miley Cyrus is, but they don't probably know that she started off as Hannah Montana, so. Well, look, if we're being honest, the only reason they know Miley Cyrus is because there are pictures of her next to a, like, turkey or chicken. That's gonna be prepared for Thanksgiving. Let's be honest, that's almost over now. Let's just pause on Steve's thought there for a second. Can we just have a brief, you know, tangent, if you will, about all the Linux distroses, at least for the, like, just think of the last six years since I've been using Linux. The number of distros that have just completely stopped being supported is just, it's amazing, and it seems like it has, like, if you talk to people who've been around in the Linux community for a long time, it probably seems to them that fewer distros die now than they used to, because obviously, or at least, I don't even know if that's true or not. It just feels like, maybe it was slowed down, but just since I've started using Linux, the number of distros that have gone out of, you know, use, it just boggles the mind. Like, I'm thinking, like, Antrigo's Linux. Like, I think that was my first art space distro was Antrigo's, and that's been gone for a long time already. Well, I discovered Antrigo's a few months before it died. It was good. I gotta be honest, that happens a lot. I don't know about you boys, but I've discovered Linux distros and then them die three months later, all the time, like, all the time. So, what we're saying is that it's definitely Tyler's fault that they all die. I've seen a lot of Linux distros that died before they were even technically announced, but you know, like, people would go, like, hey, man, you seem really smart. I'm working on this distro. Can you help me with the thing? No. Well, if we're being honest, that's kind of, that's one of the reasons why community distros are extremely hard to maintain, because, like, it's really easy to make your first ISO, depending on what base distro you're basing it off of. It's pretty easy to make your first ISO. Keeping that bitch up to date, keeping all your users happy and attracting more users, that shit's hard. And you normally need multiple people for it. And that's why a lot, because a lot of people make their first ISO, they get their distros started and then find out that they need help and no one really wants to help. Also, if you think about the personality of the person who's likely to start their own distro, and it's not universal, obviously, but the person, the type of person who's actually likely to start their own distro, is the person who's also likely to be a really big distro hopper, which means that they don't have a very long attention span. So they'll use their, or they'll create their distro and be on it for a little while, and then they'll get bored and realize that, oh, I'm going to go install Gen2 again. Josh. I don't even know why you're putting out Josh. I'm sitting here. Yeah. I'm just saying, distro hopper, they're more likely to be distro hoppers than not. I mean, it's not always true. I mean, Steve is like one of the people I know who's a distro maintainer who's not a distro hopper. You're like an artist. Oh, I am. Oh, are you now? Are you taking up the mantle? Well, I have a laptop that I have no use for, except staring at. So I've been installing distro after distro after distro after distro on it. Yeah, I'm hopping, but not on my main machine. My main machine will never, because I need zero Linux to work on zero. But on that laptop, I've been, like the latest one I tried is Arch NWG. Well, it takes some getting used to, but the next distro I'm going to be installing on there is Void. I hope you have a good time with Void. Void is one of the most iffy distros to go with, only because it will work superbly. And then if it doesn't work, which normally is not caused by an update, but, you know, normally in my experience, it's like reinstalling it or installing it on a different system. You've got a 50-50 shot. It'll either work perfect or it'll be broken as hell. Two options. Void Linux, the installer will either work or it won't work. I'll add the VoidLive style. And if you get it installed and you get a booting, it works great. Well, first thing I need to find the KDE ISO. That doesn't exist. Okay. Yeah, they don't do the specific ISOs, so you choose between the in-moveable... No, there's a community project. Yeah, there is a community project called voidbuilds.xyz where they post out daily images where I think they might have a KDE image. Void what? Is it called? Voidbuilds.xyz. Voidbuilds.xyz. Yep. Oh. Yeah, they've got a KDE one. Oh my gosh, I just read chat. Kudos, sorry, while y'all are talking about this, Kudu posted a comment. I wonder what KDE Plasma will take from Windows 12 when it gets released. And all I got to say to that is, Kudu, why the hell are you trying to start fights in chat? Why? Why? All right, he has you back on the top, definitely. Okay, no, but I just want to clarify one thing. The reason I said we can trust them lasting longer is, for example, I'm going to use an example that is going to start a whole fight in chat and whatever, I don't care. And I'm going to start a fight right here in the pocket. I've been running Manjaro for two and a half years on my system and it's been rock solid for the entire time. And I'm enjoying every second of it being stable. And I agree with the fact that they hold packages back because I don't want my HTPC to one day die. I don't use the UR packages except one, but other than that, it's rock solid. Look, I got to be honest, if I was wearing something on top of this underwear, I would have gotten up and walked out already. What? That's the example of... That's the example you're going to... Yeah, you're starting fights. That's the example you go pick as Manjaro? The one distro that should have not worked and failed like years ago? Well, it works and it didn't fail and it's perfect. And I'm going to add one thing on top of that. Well, on Xero Linux on this machine down here between my balls and my legs. Okay, all right. This machine that runs Xero Linux, I cannot boot into the desktop unless I'm using the LTS kernel because I use legacy proprietary NVIDIA drivers. On Manjaro, they have a system, MHWD Manjaro hardware detection. It does that automatically and it automatically keeps the NVIDIA proprietary legacy drivers running no matter what kernel you're running. Because it does the patching for you while every update of the driver or the kernel. So they got magic going on there. It's a machine that's rock solid and after being, it's rock solid. I cannot say anything more than that. You need to stop everything that you're doing and get a job working for Manjaro. They desperately need you. Every person that they can get that says they're doing magic is somebody who needs to be on their core team. You see, the issue is that they won't ever hire him because their distro is green and his distro is purple. And green and purple don't go together. But I'm in talks with Philip. Philip is a good friend of mine and he's Philip from Manjaro, Philip M. Okay, so I don't have any thoughts on Manjaro other than I don't like it. And I can't, it's just a feeling of general, you know. I'm gonna say this. If it weren't for Manjaro, I wouldn't be maintaining zero in. Okay, thank you. I wouldn't be on Linux to begin with. You'd be a Windows user if it wasn't for Manjaro. Yep. Okay, now I'm shocked. Of all the distros. That's the way it is. That's the truth. That's my story. So let me go back to the original question. When people choose Linux distributions, at least normal people, they don't care who's behind them, okay? Their number one thing is, does it? Voila. Don't interrupt me, Steve. Their number one reason to use a distro, or number one thing they care about when it comes to a distro, normal people, is does it work on my hardware? Does it have access to the applications that I need in order to do the things that I need to do on Linux? Those are the two things that they care about. They couldn't care less about, you know, is it Red Hat behind it? Or is it SUSE, or is it Canonical? Most people don't even know those companies when they come to Linux. It takes a little bit of time for them to get past the, ooh, Linux's new phase to get into the whole free and open source sphere. They don't even, they don't even go into who created that distro. Well, I mean, they don't care. Maybe eventually they do, but at the beginning, they don't, they just don't care. I mean, it's not something, I mean, people who use Windows know that Microsoft uses Windows, but they don't, nobody ever goes into Best Buy and says I'm going to go choose my laptop because Microsoft has decided to build Windows. You know, they go there because, you know, when you choose a laptop, you do it because it's the price that you wanted to have and it's gonna run the software that you want to run or, you know, it's gonna play the games or whatever. That's the way most people, like, so it's just not, people don't take into consideration who makes what when they're making these types of decisions, right? That at least that's the way I look at it. Now, non-normal people care a lot about this question, right? And I would consider the four of us not normal people. Well, I didn't, I still to this day don't care who Manjaro are. As long as the distribution works, I don't care who created the distro. Manjaro, I swear to God. Okay, I don't care who created the article. So, so I use Ubuntu by the way. So one of the valid people running distro backed by corporation. Yeah, yeah. So it is backed by this corporation called Canonical. You may or may not have heard of them. It's a very small company. Almost no one knows about them. Very small company. No one knows who about them. They're CEO, Mark Shuttleworth, super inspiring guy to listen to. Just do me a favor and just don't listen to any of his keynotes until after the podcast. But, because I guarantee you, you will go to sleep. And he's not very enthusiastic about it. He's not very enthusiastic and that's why Ubuntu TV failed. But anyways, anyways. So, does Canonical do good work? Yes. And no, there's a lot of very glaring nos that Ubuntu, because Canonical likes to push the buttons a little bit sometimes. They're like, we're going to use Snap by default. Or, hey, we're going to come up with our own init system. It's called Upstart. You might have heard about that. Oh, what's this Wayland project? That Wayland project's been going nowhere. So let's make this thing called mirror instead because you know, X11 is a dying mess. Let's kill off all the 32 bit libraries. Yeah, let's kill all the 32 libraries. Nevermind that's the official steam package as a dead package. I don't know, like when it comes to making dumb decisions, that's not exclusive to a corporate distro or a community distro. Every, because like the thing is, is whether or not you're a community or a corporation, it's exactly the same thing. You're still a group of people and people are sometimes real messed up and also not smart all the time. So people make uneducated guesses on what people want or whatever and it does not do great things. I think the only disadvantages from a public relations standpoint with a company is the fact that you kind of by necessity need to be a little bit more open about what's going on and stuff behind the scenes. And that just gives more room for people to nag and complain about where as in a community distro, like I mean, look, if like, let's say there's like 40 arch, you know, team members, there's probably four or five of those dudes who have criminal records, who have done stuff that you do not approve of, who go onto online forums and say shit under a different username that is wildly not okay and you would not approve of, but because it's all hidden behind a smoke screen, you don't care, everything's fine. In a public company, if we're canonical and we let someone go because they're a racist or whatever, like that's gonna be much more known and it's gonna spread throughout the community. Like it's kind of a weird thing. And yes, you did get interrupted, Josh. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. I just sit here waiting just patiently. Go ahead, Josh. Just patiently. Okay, so I know that I mentioned a couple of things that are canonical has done bad, but what has canonical given us? Like, so I'm sure that you guys have installed a distro that installed a graphical desktop environment, whether it be Nome or KDE because the rest don't matter and you've discovered Nome Software and KDE's Discover. That paradigm did not start there. In fact, the very first app store on Linux was developed by Canonical called the Ubuntu Software and yes, it was absolutely horrible, but it did work. Okay, so to answer your question, what has Ubuntu given us or canonical in this case, before Ubuntu came on, you've been around on Linux long enough to know this, is that before Linux came out, Linux was a beast to actually get up and running and start and keep running. Things like audio and display drivers and literally, you know, Wi-Fi, you know, if anybody ever watches any of the old Lunduk Linux sucks videos, he talks about the stuff ad nauseam about how, you know, Xorg is old and audio is still broken and bleada, yada, yada. When Ubuntu came out, they made it possible for the first time, obviously not immediately, but over time for the regular Joe, non-technical person to not only install Linux, but to keep it running and make it useful. You know, obviously, you could do that before, but you had to have technical knowledge to keep it up and running, right? With Ubuntu, it was more seamless and that's what they gave us. Now, I would argue that they used a lot of projects from other open source, you know, people, you know, development teams to do that, but that's kind of beside the point. What were you gonna say, Josh? Well, the biggest benefit that Canonical came out with back in those days was that Canonical was the very first Linux distro to ship an installer where you could just hit the next button and just successfully install your distro. They were the first ones to actually do that because, and it was a graphical installer too. That blew everybody's mind, was that they had a graphical installer. It wasn't Ubiquity yet. Ubiquity came after, I can't remember what they called it, but that was a very big deal back then because before then, the way that you installed Linux was you could either install it through a bootstrap installation like you would for like Arch Linux without using the Arch and Sol script, even though the Arch and Sol script bootstraps it anyway, or Gen2 or what you can do with Void Linux and stuff like that, or you had a command line installer much like how OpenBSD does it, or FreeBSD. So Ubuntu pushes forward in that direction. It was also the second distro to ship Pulse Audio and it shipped a much better, more polished version of Pulse Audio than Fedora did. Yeah, and then there's also the big thing with Ubuntu, like the major thing is Ubuntu didn't, all of the stuff they did on the desktop software side, yes, great, definitely an improvement, we needed it. But another big thing was in actually sharing and getting Linux to people and in hands, like they did way more than anyone can ever hope they did. All you had to do was just send them blank envelope with return address on it and they would literally just pack an installation disk into it and mail it back to you. Yeah, and that was like, I mean, at the time, like that's how a lot of people got Linux. Well, because before that, you went into CompUSA and you bought a CD if you wanted one. Guys, you got to remember CompUSA. I remember Circuit City. Circuit City, I worked at Circuit City for a little while, man, it was great. They also included the installation disk with the Linux magazine. Yeah, little magazines and you often, like I don't have one close by, but I have like an old Ubuntu book that had the disks in it and I have a Red Hat or like a original Red Hat Linux book that had the disk in it. This is something I never talked about, but back in the day when I was still in Abu Dhabi in the 90, yeah, I lived most of my teen years in Abu Dhabi, I did try Linux and my first Linux, I got introduced to the world of Linux through a disk, a Ubuntu disk with a magazine. And that's when Ubuntu still was running those brown beige colors, the weird shit. And that was my first foray into Linux. It didn't last long, it only lasted a few days because I didn't know anything. I was in my teen years and the only computer we had at home, the first one we got in 92 was, I was 12 years old, was a Mac, classic 2Vi. So can't install Linux on a Mac. So I used the disk on a friend's PC because he was in between formatting the system and installing Windows 3.11 for work groups. Don't forget the for work groups part. But so instead of installing Windows 3.11, I was like, can I try this first? He was like, yeah, go ahead. It was on a 500 meg hard drive, installed it, messed with it and we since we were good friends, he kept it there for a few days a week, maybe. And I kept going because we lived next to each other. I kept going to his place and playing around with the, and back then it was dialogue, not even internet. There was no internet back then. It was 96, but we started messing around with, and the way you updated it is by getting another disk with the files on it. And you had to point the repositories onto the disk and you installed it offline via the other disk. So it was fun, but to see, that goes in, that fortifies the argument where you can trust them in innovating and lasting very long. Well, I wouldn't even say innovating, they just have the ability to do something like that. Yeah, the ability to innovate, yeah. Well, I mean, if you're, no, go ahead. I was gonna say the reason why they can do this is because they have money, right? They can employ people to do the thing. I think Josh said this in Discord the other day. Like they can give developers money to do things whereas the distros, they have to either raise money or have no money at all. I can give you some real world examples of community distros that came out that were heavily praised by the community, but they've done absolutely nothing to really push the Linux ecosystem forward. Let's talk about Void Linux because we mentioned it earlier. What does Void Linux do that's actually innovative? Does it have a different Linux system? Yeah, it's run it. They didn't create it in the system. You know how long they've been using run it? They were not the first district to ship run it. They are at this point, the most popular district that offers a run it as a default in that system, but they weren't the guys that made it. But what have they innovated? What have they brought us? They made Package Manager. They didn't make the first Package Manager. But they made this one? XBP, because Void Linux did not create XBPS. Because the Void games are gonna come through here at any moment and just murder us all. Well, hold on, there's more. What about Solus? What has Solus brought to step the Linux community forward? Well, technically they were helpfully involved with Budgie, so you could say that they were, they contributed to this whole environment. You could, but now Budgie's on separate projects. What are they doing now? Having the foggy so that we're basing on yet another distro. Well, this is gonna go on for a long time, because if you're just gonna name distros and be like, what have they done? There's gonna be a lot of them around. Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of them. So let me point to the biggest and the oldest one, Slackware. What does Slackware do that's innovative? Absolutely nothing. In fact, Slackware's all about living in the past. Yeah. Probably when they first were created, weren't they? No. Okay. Just no. That was quick. Not even. Just no. Slackware packages things is a little different. Slackware is packaging things the exact same way we were packaging things since 1993. Well, I didn't say they're different now. I'm just saying they were probably different. I mean. I mean, the only difference is that now you're not calling the make command manually. You're just using a bash script that does it for you. So the Void Linux guys and the Slackware guys were making enemies left, right, and center. Yep. So essentially, Josh, the point is, is most innovation when it comes to Linux does come from corporate-based distros. Yes. That is my point exactly. And I would be interested to see someone try to argue that point with you just solely based off of the fact that it makes sense. Hold on a second. Innovation costs money. Let's see if Josh can argue with himself. Josh, name an innovation from a nine-corporate-back distro. Ooh, I like this. Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo. Well, I could point. Not to zero Linux, please. No, no, no, not zero Linux. I could legitimately point to Arch Linux because the concept of the AUR was actually an innovation that they did bring forward. That said, PPAs also exist. But I think that the AUR and the PPAs came out about the same time. Ross in the chat points out Nix, but Nix is corporate-backed. There's a corporation that develops Nix. So that can't be, that's not a community-based distro. Now, whether it's, I don't know the history of Nix, so it's possible, Josh, historian, did Nix start out as a community-based distro, or was it started by the corporation? It started out as a computer science experiment. Okay. That's really what it started out with. Funnily enough, it's still a fucking computer science experiment. Yeah. I guess it's never grown out of it, I can learn it. Yeah, that's what it started out with. And it started out as just a package manager. And people decided that, hey, we can make an operating system out of this. And very quickly, they created that the Nix, I think the Nix package manager incorporated into a team that then started, that then picked up the NixOS project. So it did kind of start as a community project, but it got spun under the corporate veil. Yeah, and now it's- Very quickly, which also, let's be clear about this, almost every corporate or business enterprise starts off as a group project. Like that, that's kind of how they all start. One thing that I did want to say really quickly, because someone said- Okay, hold on. Yeah, there's a couple people, I see two mentions of geeks in here. The Free Software Foundation counts as a corporation. Yes, that's not the point that I was gonna make though, because someone said community distros send patches upstream. That is true. And I don't think any of us are making the point that community distros do nothing for Linux. The point that we're trying to make is innovation on something new that hasn't been seen before. That type of stuff takes a lot of time and a lot of effort. And that shit normally requires money, which makes community distros much less able to take on projects like that and be successful. Corporate- Go ahead. All I was gonna say was corporate, that's different. Yeah. Also, we have to just kind of keep in mind that the vast majority of quote unquote community-based distros are based on other distros. Usually corporate-backed ones. So you name the popular ones. Linux Mint based on Ubuntu, which itself is based on Debian, which is, ironically, Debian is like the community-based distro, which kind of proves all of this wrong, is that their community-based distro- Debian is the weird child, but you also have to realize that 60% of Debian developers are also employed by Canonical. Well, yeah. And I'm sure that other developers who work for Debian also work for other companies as well. So we're not saying that Debian lives in a vacuum and it's 100% community, you know, just like, oh, we're all, we are legion, you know? It's not like that. But Debian is the one distro that is big and very influential and has distros based on it that is a community distro. The other one, obviously, is Arch, right? Those are the two like distros that have a lot of child distros that are community-based. Most of the rest of them are based on Ubuntu, which that whole incestuous family tree is really weird when you think about it. I mean, you got Debian's at the top, then you got Ubuntu, then you have a whole bunch of distributions that are based on Ubuntu, but you could really say those are based on Debian because Debian, Ubuntu is based on, don't think about it for too long, and it'll just break your brain. I mean, it just really will. My argument for Linux, of course you're gonna take it to Linux Mint, but my argument against Linux Mint has always been that they bifurcate their effort by having two different distros, right? They based it on Ubuntu and they have one based on Debian, right? And just me thinking about the whole relationship between Ubuntu and Debian and Ubuntu and Debian-based distros just made me think about that whole scenario again, because literally they have a distro that's based on Ubuntu that's based on Debian and they have a distro that's based on Debian. So, just really, really weird. Anyways, so we've pissed off Void, Slackware, and now Linux Mint, who's next? We did the Manjaro, people. I mean, we could make fun of companies like System76 who also base their stuff off other corporate distros, but then again, that's not as, it kinda makes sense. Think of it like this. If Apple and Microsoft, if Apple was able to just take Microsoft stuff and then just do anything they wanted to with it, you'd do that, of course. It would save you so much, I don't know. Grab their shit, remove everything that's broken, fix it back in, and then they could release it, which I gotta be honest. Now, the more that I have said that and think about it. You just gave us enough material for a nightmare. So, we should talk a little bit about the other side, right? About reasons why you shouldn't wanna use a corporate-backed distro, right? Because the people who are really against canonical and really against red hat-based distros and SUSE-based distros, they have points and legitimate points that I think we should discuss. So, just to move into that realm, let's go around and see what good reasons would you have not to use one. Josh, you can go first. Well, seeing as I'm on Ubuntu right now, I can definitely tell you that there's a big reason as to why you wouldn't want to use Ubuntu and it's not snaps. So, if I run sudo apt update, like right now, let's run this. They put in their server a message of the day and it shows up once a week, just about every time. The very first time I ran it said that, hey, you know you can buy extended support release, extended support for your Linux distribution if you just sit there, you sign up with this website and pay us some money. Advertisement, yeah. So, yeah, built-in advertisements because sometimes they want to attempt to monetize. That's a big one with Ubuntu. Of course, there's a big red hat fiasco from the summer where it's just like suddenly they decided they were just going to take all of their unbranded, unbranded extra work that they were doing for free for everybody and they just decided to stop pushing stuff, updates that repository which caused a rather small controversy and even then we're still talking about it today. And then, you know, corporate distros will then push choices as the new found standard. Such as Pulse Audio and SystemD that people might not particularly enjoy or corporate distros might drop support for a currently properly working graphical stack of known as X11 and just say, hey, we're going to deprecate this in the future. Switch to this other thing that somebody here said that they're going to be protesting you and that he's using it right now. I'm not using it right now on Qtile. Before Steve goes, I do just want to say I have a feeling that's going to be pretty much all of the complaints towards corporate distros is just the community has no say in the direction. That's normally everyone's gripe towards corporate distros. Steve, would you agree with that? It's just not having direction. I think that's genuinely the problem everyone has with corporate distros and it's going to be really hard to find a corporate or business-backed distro that is actually going to listen to the community, especially in areas where it's not going to make them any money. Like, no. Now, if everyone got together and was like, we don't want you to leave Xorg, we would much rather you stay on it and keep using it and we'll buy whatever bullshit you come out with in six months. I think a lot, if that's how the Linux community and just tech communities in general operated, we probably wouldn't have that problem. That's why Ubuntu switched back to GNOME and why Ubuntu decided they were going to stop developing MIR is because the community decided that they didn't want to deal with it and they raised the hell of a stink with Canonical. No, but my point being like, for them to stop that stuff, it saves the money. Like they were spending money developing out this new stuff. So like, if it saves the money, they'll listen to the community and that's probably the only leverage we have is if we can save them. Canonical is a weird company in that situation is that they do oftentimes listen to the community whereas a lot of the other corporations that do Linux don't. So the good example there is the Lib32 stuff. They did that because they wanted to stop maintaining it but it literally freaked everyone out. Like, everyone who heard about it was like, no, that doesn't make a lot of sense, especially when, you know, almost simultaneously, Steam was saying, hey, we're not Steam, but Ubuntu was saying, hey, we're the gaming distro and you're going to get rid of the 32 bit libraries, which Steam requires to run, you know, so, but when that happened, everybody freaked out, they listened, they reversed it. There was several other things over the course of the last 20 years or so that Canonical has done that and then they've listened. Now they've obviously examples the other way around, like the Amazon thing in the bar that pissed everybody off and that was there forever, right? They didn't listen to that until a long, long time, right? So there's obviously examples of it, but if you think Canonical does tend to, I mean, just playing a little bit devil's advocate here, tend to listen to the community more. It doesn't mean they always do. Now, as we saw with Red Hat this summer, Red Hat's the kind of corporation that doesn't give a flying rip about the community, apparently, and they'll just do whatever the hell they want, especially if it seems to have obviously gotten worse since they were acquired by IBM, where they don't really seem to have any accountability when it comes to the community, because they don't care. They're just there for doing, you know, they're clear. That was exactly my argument. It's like, if there would be one main reason why one should not use corporate-backed distros, it would be the fact that once they're corporate-based, they don't listen much to complaints unless there's a money incentive, a financial incentive behind it. If it doesn't make them any money, they're gonna turn their defiers to you and they're gonna treat you like you don't exist. I'm not saying they're gonna treat you like trash. They just don't reply to you and you don't exist. So like the fans, the other users, the community of users of those corporate-backed distros are not the friendliest. So there's... I don't know. It depends, because there's a lot of shit communities that are community and corporate-based. Yeah, but mainly, for example, if you go to the Ubuntu places, if you go to the Gentoo communities, those are toxic, baby. Toxic. I don't think that I agree with that. I think that toxicity has its place in every community. I mean, come on, man, you're an arts user. You've never encountered toxicity in the arts forums before. I'm not saying there is no toxicity in community-based distros. I'm saying that there's more toxicity in corporate-backed distros than there is with exception of ARCH. I wouldn't agree with that at all unless you're going into a corporate-backed distros forums, support, whatever. That's what I meant. Well, hold on, I don't fish. Or you go in there and then you start complaining about problems you're having with a different distro or talking about potentially using another distro. Yeah, then you're gonna have problems because a lot of those people in there are heavily tied into... The problem, I kind of get your point and this might actually back up and involve your point, but there is a lot of people in corporate-backed distros who have made investments either in that company or in products related to what that company does. So they have a financial incentive wrapped up in the company to defend it in their decisions. And so if you don't like their decisions or are trying to talk about going somewhere else or whatever, yeah, they're normally not gonna be very kind to that. But just to make this clear, in community distros, even though people have no financial tie to the project whatsoever, they can sometimes be even more insane than someone who's got $100,000 invested in Canonical. Like, I have seen wild people in both. Some people just don't need to be on the internet for being involved in this. Mainly the, for me, my experience being arch-based, not the friendliest community in there, and you see a lot of weird shit being thrown your way for no reason whatsoever. So now whenever I go to the arch forums to ask about a problem, when they ask me what distro I'm using, I say arch. I don't say zero Linux, because as soon as I say the word zero Linux, I am up the door before I... The best one is if you're like, I'm a Manjaro user and you say that in the arch forums. Did you guys see that thing? There was a meme on my server yesterday that had some guy trying to make a heart with his hand and with his girlfriend or whatever, and she was giving him the bird. And he was Manjaro and she was arch. That was awesome. Anyways, I think when it comes... I don't understand why the hate, if Manjaro, the OS, not the company, works. We don't have the time to get into the Manjaro thing. But just to kind of wrap this up from my end, I think when it comes to corporate distro is the primary argument against them is that when they are corporate distro, their incentive to keep innovating and doing things in the Linux space no longer relies on the incentive of keeping the community happy, but instead turns to making money, right? And in a lot of places that rubs... I mean, obviously it rubs a lot of people in the open source community wrong, right? Because making money equal bad, whatever. But also, they tend to make decisions based on that incentive. So the lib32 stuff and Ubuntu, the Red Hat stuff, Suza's made decisions in the past that have been monetarily influenced, right? For Dora making the decision to switch to Wayland only? Maybe. My point is that they sometimes make these decisions that are, if you wonder what I'm doing, I'm trying to keep the dog happy. I'm not doing something down here that you guys don't want to know. I'm just petting the dog. It's not a euphemism. I swear. Anyways, I think that a lot of people who are anti-corporate distro are anti-corporate because of the decisions that those corporations oftentimes have to make, right? Yeah. It's just kind of the way it is. Also, we talked about earlier, guys, that the distros that are based on other distros don't do anything to innovate, we said. And we talked just briefly about not saying that they didn't do anything to contribute, because a lot of them do. And I think that one of the reasons why Linux has been kind of more successful in the last, say, 20 years, and it was initially, was because a lot of the distros that are based on other distros have contributed so much back upstream to the more corporate-based distros. But I guess that'd be an argument for another day. So anything else to say on this, guys? I don't know. Before we go, I just wanted to say thank you, Chat, for engaging in a conversation about Josh potentially being a lady boy. This has been fantastic. What? Oh, gosh. Just in case anyone out there is listening to the audio version of this and, you know, doesn't have plans for later on in the day, just treat yourself and go watch this live stream, but pay attention to the chat the entire time. It's been phenomenal, this entire live stream. Yeah, it's been good. All right, let's go ahead and move on to the thingies of the week. Josh, your thingie of the week. My thingie of the week. I don't know what it is. Let me look at the show notes here. Oh, yeah. It's Strawberry. It's a music player. Yeah, it's like the only QT music player that I found that I actually relatively like because, you know, I hate them all. Wait, Strawberry? Strawberry was discontinued like two years ago. I still hate everything else. Just because something has been not maintained doesn't mean we can't still use it. I mean, I still use PyWall. I know, I know, I know. We still use... Dude, speaking of PyWall, I maintain it and I hosted on my repository for Arch Linux. Oh, are you fixing all the issues with it? I don't think he maintained it in that way. He didn't see packages yet. No, no, no, no. Here's the thing that you don't know, Matt. There are still commits being pushed to PyWall. It's just a maintainer on whatever distro you're using is not pushing the update. But because I'm building the Git package because that's the only package that exists. So since I'm building it from Git, there are a few commits being pushed here and there. Now, I don't know how important the commits are, but... We've gotten away from it. Josh, talk about your strawberry. Oh, it... Because we did the exact same thing to Josh last week. He said two words about his thingy of the week and then Steve went off on a tangent and then I went off on a tangent. And we all go off on tangents. Can we please let Josh, the poor man, we always interrupt him. It's me to blame, it's me to blame, blame me. Okay, okay. So I'm seeing this here in the chat where people are mentioning like NCMP, CCMPV, and all that. I specifically said QT because when I'm playing music in a graphical desktop environment, I at least want a graphical music player because that's just how I've always been. But... And I wanted a QT one because, you know, I'm using a KDE environment. I want my music player to integrate with KDE perfectly fine. You know, look nice in it if it matched my KDE theme. Which strawberry doesn't quite 100% match the KDE theme because it's got its own theme. It's a Clementine fork, let's be honest with it. But anyways... For just playing music, it's fine. I'm not the biggest fan of how it presents like the music library at all. But it is perfectly functional. I can generate playlists and it just saves them all to an M3U file. Like, you know, everything should be. And I can set up a queue. I can dynamically generate playlists too based off of like your newest tracks, the just random 50 tracks or like your most played tracks. And then it even supports internet radio services too. So for just a purpose of just playing music that's on my computer, it's working fine. Does it look better than... Clementine, is that the reason why I use it? Yeah. Okay. Because Clementine is... God, it's fucking buggy, man. It's so bad. All right. It's just like, come on, man. Hire a designer or something. I don't know. It's not good. Steve, you're thinking of the week, please. My thinking of the week is an app I have on my iOS device. It's called... I don't know if it's available for Android. I didn't check, although I have an Android phone. But it's called Tripit. The reason I like it is because recently I traveled and I discovered it when I was in Ireland, but I didn't use it. I only used it this once when I went to Dubai. And once you... Tripit is a travel manager. It's a flight management thing where you sign in with your Google account where you got the email for your booking and it will automatically scan your email and then, okay, privacy, people don't attack me, but you have to keep it access to your email because as soon as you receive your... When you check in online, for example, and you receive your boarding pass, it will scan your email and add the boarding pass automatically to the app, which allows you to add it to Apple Wallet or if it's available on Android through Google Wallet. And it will also remind you a day before that you have a flight and if you want to make any modifications to your flight, you can do them from within the app. The app will contact the airline and do the modifications for you from within the app. And also, what I love about it is it will show you public transportation in the country you're traveling to in the app without having to receive countless emails and doing countless things. It simplifies your traveling life. So it simplified everything for me. I found public transportation. I was able to modify my seat, my luggage, all from within the app. And even if there are any regulations in the country you're traveling to, it will show you all the relevant information within the app without going through emails or anything. It's a neat little app. It's called Tripit. It's a free app, but you can't subscribe. They have a paid tier. If you want to use the premium stuff, it will allow you to do way more stuff. So add your travel documents, your passport, your image, whatever the airline requires from you. You can do that if you use the paid version, but I'm using the free version and I've been sticking with it. And I rely only on this application for my travels. It's awesome. It's called Tripit. That's cool. All right. Tyler, you're thinking of the week, please. All right. My thinking of the week, I didn't put in the show notes because I didn't want you guys looking into it, getting too excited or anything. Today, we're going to be talking about my favorite music player myself, which is a Windows media player, but I use it through wine. I got Steve. I got Steve. What the hell did I just hear? Thank you. Thank you whoever in chat, a software lever. Thank you. That was the best. No, but in all seriousness, no, my thinking of the week is actually something that I think everyone has used, at least at some point in their life, a password manager. Actually, I did add it into the thing. I just didn't refresh it. Never mind. Well, it's bit warden. I had used. Let's see. What was the last? Last pass was the last one I used. And I think I used Dashlane before that. I don't know. I've tried a lot of different stuff, but I'm on bit warden now. I very much like it. It's really nice. You can self-host it yourself if you want. Very, very easy to use. Straightforward password manager. It works everywhere. So, yeah, if you are not using a password manager or for whatever reason, you're not happy with the one you're currently using, definitely give bit warden a try. It's been really nice. Are you using it self-hosted or online hosted? Online. No, I'm not self-hosting it. I could have easily self-hosted it, but I do not trust myself to manage the monthly payments properly because I have a feeling that I would put in a card that I don't normally put money in, tie it to that. And then one month, I won't pay it. Completely forget about it, and because I don't check my emails hardly ever, I might end up losing my bit warden server, which I don't want happening. I don't think you have to pay it. Just put a server in your closet. Oh, you mean that the server itself to pay for the server stuff? Yeah, like to self-host. I thought you meant paying bit warden to do it. Yeah, that makes sense. No, no, no. I was self-hosting it, but locally on my Raspberry Pi, before my Raspberry Pi bit the dust, I use bit warden on a daily, but do you use the app or the browser extension? To be honest, I normally, especially if I'm on my laptop or desktop, I'll just load up the website and just do it through the browser. I don't need to use the extension or anything. I just go straight to the login page on their website. No, I use the browser extension because it has the ability to auto-fill. Oh! I should definitely install it then. That would save me some time. Yeah, you go to the website that you're going to log into, then you just hit Ctrl-Shift-L, and then it just auto-populates. That's what I use. But I need to update... You just reminded me to update the passwords in there because I started receiving a lot of notifications about this website using the same password as other websites. Please update your password, and I need to fix that. So you just reminded me, thank you. Have you ever used the LastPass extension? Yes, I did use LastPass. Bit Warden extension does all the same things. Okay. The only thing... I guess the reason I haven't... I never search for an extension, but I don't think I even saw them talking about an extension on their main website. No, they don't. But it's available. It's by them. It's not by somebody else. But the extension solves a lot of issues. And it has a dark mode if you're using dark mode. And since you're using Bit Warden, you and I can share files with each other through Bit Warden. How can you do that? You can do that? Yeah. How? I did not know that. One of the features. And if you pay their $10 a year, is it a gigabyte or something? 10 gigabytes? Well, I pay for their features, so I can do that. Yeah. All right. Where's the option? Oh, send. There's a send button in it. This is cool. Okay, I didn't know that. All right. My thingy of the week... In the show notes, it just says Distrobox, but I'm not actually going to use Distrobox as my thingy of the week. If you were listening to the podcast earlier, we talked plenty about Distrobox. That means that your thingy of the week is related, so you got to pick something else. It's my podcast. I can do what a fucker. He can cheat. Instead of cheat. No, no, hold on a second. Instead, I'm going to choose something that uses Distrobox. So there. Someone... I'm sorry. I don't remember. I could actually go look. The... Zellicoast, maybe? I don't actually know if that's what they go by, but they created a... I think it's just a script. It's called DaVinciBox. And basically what it does is you run a line. It creates a Distrobox for you. I think it's based on Fedora. And it does all the things you need to do to install DaVinci Resolve. I thought that's where you were going. I am... What did you say the name of it? It's called DaVinciBox. I'll share a link in the chat. Because I don't have it in the show notes yet. I will do that later. Anyways, basically you run online. You do have to have the DaVinci Resolve downloaded in your downloads folder or wherever. You have to point out the path or whatever. All the instructions are right on the GitHub page. You run it. It installs everything right up to it. It even exports it to your host. So you can just run it through your menu system or whatever. Just launch Resolve just like normal. And it is fantastic. Now I don't know anything about DaVinci Resolve yet. I'm still learning. But I've always wanted to use it. But the one thing that I've always had trouble with is actually getting it to install on Linux. And especially if you're using an AMD card. It's always had problems on AMD for me. That's just my experience. And this one worked with one line. And it's awesome. Yeah. Just because you said that, if you would like to do a live stream or just get together sometime and have someone who's used DaVinci Resolve for a long time show you around and do stuff, I would be more than happy to do that because you have given me a gift here. By the way, just in case anyone wants this link or something, just hit me up because I'll have it saved. If anyone watches the stream and doesn't have access to the chat, whatever, hit me up. I tried Googling it. I could not find DaVinci Box like the GitHub for it. I searched DaVinci Box Linux. DaVinci Box spelled differently. I couldn't find it. It will be in the show. I don't know. It will be in the show. I'm putting it in there right now. Perfect. Because I have a feeling there's a lot of people out there who use open source stuff and have had Nvidia cards for the longest time, but now because they're Linux users, they switch over to AMD and they can't use DaVinci Resolve because DaVinci Resolve and AMD on Linux do not like, I don't know what it is, but DaVinci hates AMD on Linux. I have no idea why. But yeah. So that's probably the most helpful thingy of the week I have ever seen. I'm going to be on this real quick. I should thank George Castor for pointing that out. I saw it on Massed on a few days ago. That's where I got it from George on Massed on. So credit goes to him. But yeah, just DaVinci Box. If you want to edit videos and if you want to try DaVinci Resolve, this is the best way to do it. So yeah, there we go. Anyways, I think... Another win for Distro Box. Yeah. So good, guys. It's like it is the future of Linux. I'm 100% convinced that in the future you'll just choose a distro and you'll no longer ever have to distro hot because you'll just install whatever is drawing your tension elsewhere in a distro box and that'll be the way it'll work. That's the way I'm going to be using Linux from now on. I don't need a distro hop. I don't need a distro hop. I just install the things I need to in Distro Box and carry on with my day. Open SUSE. That's why you've been lasting so long on Open SUSE. The secret is Distro Box. Well, we do have to go ahead and specify for everyone listening and watching. The last four or five minutes have not been ad reads for Bitwarden or Distro Box, just so we're clear, okay? These have not been ads. I swear if Distro Box came to me as Matt, you want to run an ad spot on your channel, I would do it. I don't even know if I'd charge them. Would it then not be an ad? It'd just be talking about Distro Box for a while. If DaVinci Box works successfully, I just want you to know my first video back will be an advertisement for Distro Box and DaVinci Box. It will be happening, like 100%. It worked for me, so it should work for you. Anyways, that's it for this episode. We record this live every Saturday at 3 o'clock PM Eastern Time. We've never missed an episode so far, and anyone who says otherwise is a big fat liar. We always record live every Saturday. If you want to get in contact with us, you can do so in any number of ways. Josh is at 10lej-slash-contact. I remembered. Steve is at fosterdon on fosterdon.org-slash-at-zero-linux-zero-with-an-x. Tyler has a YouTube channel, which he promises now if DaVinci Box works, he's going to make us a video, and it's going to be awesome as long as he remembers what his password was in order to get actually into the YouTube channel. You can follow him there, subscribe, youtube.com-slash-zanio-g. 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