 Yeah, this is a great one to talk about. So Jim says, just picked up a new MacBook Air M3. Hey, I'm a little bit jealous. And once again, face the eternal questions. Antivirus on Apple, need it at all? If so, do you guys use? Great show. I listened during my weekly workouts and you guys make the time pass quickly. Well, glad to hear that. And I get smarter at the same time. Yep. And Pete, same. Don't let those fling wing guys get you. They're just jealous. There you go. Pete, can you explain what fling wing is first? Yeah, that's for the uninitiated. That's a helicopter, which the definition of a helicopter is a million parts rotating about an oil lake waiting for metal fatigue to set in. So. This checks out. As far as Jim's quite, I know we all have opinions on this. I don't believe that virus protection software is necessary on the Mac. However, I run it anyway in that I don't run anything in real time because I don't want it to slow down my Mac, but I do run malware bytes on each of my Macs once per week in a semi-automated fashion. Malware bytes has a way to automate this, but it comes hand in hand with their always running in the background scanner. And I don't want that. So I have keyboard maestro set a macro that runs once a week that launches malware bytes on every one of my Macs. And when I come to my Mac and I see that malware bytes has launched, that for me is enough of a reminder to hit start scan. And then it scans. And I've never had it find. The only thing I've ever had it find is like an old Word document that had a like Word macro virus in it. Other than that, I haven't had it find anything, but I'm happy to know that it runs once a week. So I guess, I guess maybe I do think you need it, but I don't know, like in a limited sense. Why or why not? Don't you want it running in the background? Oh, I don't want something slowing down my computer. This is definitely a holdover from the days of slow CPUs and spindle drives, AKA slow drives, where if and supporting Windows machines, which absolutely at the time anyway, I don't really know how it is now, needed virus protection software. But virus protection software, the whole idea is it sits in the middle of everything you're doing. Every file that's accessed is scanned first before your system gets to see it. Everything you do is being, you know, filtered essentially. And that by definition causes some level of latency in what you're doing. Whether that latency now is something I would notice or not given how fast technology and how much it fast it is and how much it's improved. I don't know, but that's my reason for it. And I don't think viruses on the Mac are bad enough that I need to potentially give up performance for protection.