 Good afternoon, good morning, good evening, depending on where you are and welcome to this webinar which is being recorded. My name is Edun Lem and I'm one of the two deputy directors in the Fisheries and Aquaculture Division of the FAO. And I'm really happy to see you all at this webinar today. Today is an important webinar in which we focus on sustainability but also the role of certification and sustainability and the role of communication by companies by authorities by by regions to consumers to stakeholders to to buyers. So the focus on certification and communication and sustainability. We have four excellent panelists all representing different areas of the sector. We have Alicia Gallardo from from Chile from the Chilean government. She's undersecretary or vice minister of fisheries and agriculture with a very long experience within the sector and she'll focus on a scheme that is operated by Chile on sustainability. We have Mr Luciano Pirovano, who's a director of sustainability sustainability in Europe's largest fish canning company, Bolton Food. We will talk about their policy and their sustainability initiatives. We'll hear from John Keeler in Florida about his company's policies on communication, how they the the reactions from from his consumers and his customers have been and how he works closely also with suppliers all over the world for his products. And finally, Mr Antonio Basanta Fernandez, the chief of cabinet of the Minister for Fisheries in the region of Galicia, the region of Galicia of Spain. So we have private, we have public sector, we have company experience so we hope we will get interesting and and stimulating views from our panelists and fruitful discussion afterwards. But before we go into the discussion, we'll have a short overview of the current situation from my colleague nada bogus who will share a few slides with us in order to set the scene nada please. Good afternoon, everyone. Good morning. Good morning. Good evening. Good afternoon. Thanks a lot. I'll share my screen now to, and please tell me that you see the main. Yes, it should work. You see it enlarged. Yes. Yes. So I'll keep my presentation brief to allow time to the panel discussion. So I'll sort of sit in the scene in terms of the importance of fish trades and status and trends in certification and equipping. As we all know, 73 to 37 to 38% of fish production is traded internationally and the 2019 estimates of fish exports equate to 162 billion, which, which is a sign that fish is one very important commodity trade in terms of international commodity trades. And that exceeds other commodities like beef, pork and poultry. Also, as we know, fish is traded globally and it's quite a complex chain or system whereby a species or a fish can be farmed or harvested in one part of the world and then sent or processed into one of the parts and marketed or consumed somewhere else. So with that comes a really complex chain and system that I'll try to address on this second slide. And I just mentioned that with the this inherent complex complexity that comes from the trade side addressing sustainability needs to be looked at really from a system point of view, and also a chain associated to that. So, which brings me to talk about sustainable food systems perspectives in terms of delivering for security nutrition for all in such a way that economic social and environmental basis to generate food security are not compromise which is really the core business or mandates of FAO. So in, in the same sense that it is for a specific value chain referred to in a second image as a core value chain and improvement of performance or farms or fisheries or any other food enterprises are determined by a complex environment with various levels and types and natures of linkages. As such it goes without saying that processes towards improved sustainability are not always a straightforward or a straight line for every value chain actor along the supply or value chain. There will be dimensions of sustainability that will be discussing today. The first is being profitable throughout that is economic sustainability, having broad based benefits for society, social, and having a positive or neutral impacts on the natural environment in environmental sustainability are essential. And I would like to highlight that evolving market standards and their measurements often have economic social and environmental dimensions that are linked to them. And as improving social and environmental sustainability is increasingly becoming a strategic objective for firms, companies in particular fisheries and aquaculture are also these dimensions determine market access through standards private or else compliance and increase competitiveness from a market differentiation sites, which brings us to the next slide will will be looking more closely at the status and trends in certification and equilibrating. So, as we all know equal labels and aquaculture certification schemes have come into play as market based incentives for better management of fisheries and aquaculture through consumer demand for seafood products from well managed stocks, or from sustainable aquaculture from the supply chain from the supply side, these schemes are set to encourage businesses to pursue sustainable procurement practices that's enhancing their reputation. These features are particularly appealing to retailers that put emphasis on and communicate on sustainability to their consumers, and for whom securing supplies in the long term and maintaining and protecting their brand is paramount. These commitments expand to the various value chain actors and can act as risk reduction tools for stakeholders and investors that's given assurances for business longevity. From the demand side, equal labels and certification schemes or labels are intended to make provisions for informed purchasing decisions and thus promote and stimulate the sustainable use of fishery resources and aquaculture improved consumers in the sense in aquaculture production practices and products to portray these trends, the most comprehensive sources of information that I could find are the, as shown on this slide at the state sustainability initiatives reviewed to and in the next slides is the certification and rating collaboration digital tool that was updated in this year just a week or so before. So according to the first source that is a post in all in a state of sustainability initiatives review by 2015 certified production had reached 23 million metric tons accounting for 14% of global seafood production and that is up from 0.5 million metric metric tons 0.5% globally into 2003 looking closely at differences between catch and aquaculture certified wild catch according to the same source always experienced the greatest growth between 2009 and 2011 doing part to Caribbean and so that was certified in 2010 2011 and although certified wild catch has grown the most in absolute terms over the past decades aquaculture has consistently grown as a fast at the faster rate per annum between 2014 and 2015. We can see it also on the graph certified aquaculture grew almost 50% faster than wild catch. From the same source always before I move on to the other source, total certified wild catch production has been growing at an annual rate of 36% between 2003 and 2015 significantly outpacing the stagnation in in catch or harvesting over the same period. And following a similar path certified aquaculture production has grown exponentially at an average rate of 67 76% percent per year from 2003 to 2015 outpacing again this time at the growth of conventional aquaculture that is non certified. Okay, I will not delve into the different schemes, the objective is to have to appreciate or to see the status and the trends now from the certification and rating collaboration, it was updated a while back, I think it was just only last year. They also included in their assessments rating systems that was not included in the previous source, but the trend is there to see that certified or rated have gained momentum and they're increasing also we can see the percentages there for both aquaculture and capture fisheries and more for the aquaculture side. Okay, and we all know also about the proliferation of standards as it is a market differentiation tool, which has led to clean confusion among producers but also retailers and consumers that struggle to recognize a credible certification scheme. This perceived confusion has made decision making more difficult of course and seafood more costly. To address such concerns companies NGOs and other organizations have joined efforts to create initiatives or frameworks. In a manner that they have a collective non competitive approach to provide both clarity on seafood certification and ensure confidence in certified seafood. And here I would like to highlight the role of FAO and what has been done in terms of aligning and permitting more credibility for the standard setting. The example is the guidelines that were there three of them for capture fisheries for in lands capture and the latest ones the technical guidelines on aquaculture. Not one more minute and we have yes I'm almost I'm almost done I'm almost done. Yes, so finally I would like to conclude by saying that there is no evidence that sustainability certification will be phased out in in now or in the future also in view of consumers increasing demand as mentioned before for sustainable seafood. We also know that and recognize that a significant proportion of global seafood production is not ready to engage with the available sustainability certifications or equal labels, but there are alternative routes. Not towards only certification but to prove a sense of working towards better sustainability let's put it this way. In the context also of COVID this appreciation of sustainability we know it has also increased and while there are indications for more localized localization of value chains be them domestic or regional global trades inherent to seafood and aquaculture products is going to still continue. So the trends is there and I think it will it will remain as such more credibility and transparency are necessary and also collaboration between stakeholders and organizations, and that's it from my side. Thanks a lot. Thank you very much. No, no, that's fine. Thank you very much nada. Thank you for mentioning the three dimensions of sustainability and also thank you for mentioning also the regional initiatives and the need by consumers now to do no more they want to know more about not only where the fish is coming from but also how it has been produced under under what conditions I think that is very very nicely put. And it also fits nicely with the next speaker or the first speaker on the panel, Alicia Gallardo who will describe a Chilean initiative and how the Chilean producers are using this scheme to to sell their products and to communicate to consumers. Please. Thank you very much. Thank you to the for the file for the invitation. And I will try to explain. Thank you first for the initiative to do this seminar because the, I think we think the innovation is clear is a key point for to advance in the sustainability of fisheries and aquaculture. And one of one issue relevant is the to place the value on people, because the people, especially the people who works in the sea are very involved with the with the experience with the history. And we need to think in more social more heritage more culture regarding to the sustainable concept. Well, the first issue that I wish to comment is, you know, Chile is an exported country. So we had a system for certify the quality of fisheries and aquaculture products. And it's a very robust system during the value chain and with the requirement of destination market. So, I will try to share with you some additional certifications chance, specifically in our domestic situation. Well, for this issue, I invite you to sail in our Chilean sea and learn about our experience. Some of this are in the process of consolidation, and some of them are like fingerlings in development. One issue to share with you is our hallmark has been supporting artisanal fisheries and small scale aquaculture. We believe that investing in them is key to achieving sustainable development, particularly in the fight against poverty, hunger and malnutrition. We celebrate the year 2022 as the International of Artisanal and Fishing and Aquaculture. As one slogan say, I really like this slogan, small in scale, big in the valley. So, we are going to know to try to share information with you experience, taking in consideration the value chain of fishing and aquaculture. And I will start at the end of the value chain with the market. We create some seal for restaurants, hotels and supermarket called Blue Seal that recognize compliance with regulations through an electronic traceability system that perform our fisheries authority called CENAPESCA. In this system, the fisherman can carry out procedure or line without having to go to an office, faster, but difficult to implement in very isolated areas. In addition, it's allowed better control and monitoring of fishing and aquaculture. However, I need to be trust with you, the success of this label was not as respected. The question was how to promote, because the sustainable or the legal compliance was not enough, maybe for the consumer, maybe for the people. And we trust, we try to think about to promote the level in a greater number of restaurants, how to increase the consumption of fish and shellfish in our country. You know, we have a lot of fee, but low consumption. So the answer was in the value of the value chain. It's maybe some confused how interest for the consumer is to know through a video the fisherman or fisherwoman in the fishing operation. To know his name, for example, to know in which area the fishing is done, and perhaps with the constellation of the star. That is the great value of artisanal fishing a job that is carried out from generation to generation, which is selected year and with respect to the marine, with a lot of respect to the marine environment. Two, we create a pilot program for artisanal fishing call it commercial possibility, which on board cameras that show with the fishing at sea, it's lending and also had to board the commercialization, reducing intermediaries and increasing the price. This is how we arrive at the restaurant with a clear, clear code that show all this value every more with the pandemic that fowards cure. We also arrive at the first, which is a more massive way to reach consumers, we achieve better price for fishermen and also for consumers and Chilean began to get to know the fisherman of the common cake for example from the center, the reineda, Brahma, Australia from the south, once again the people and their environment as the best sell also endorsed by the authority. What come later was the creation of something as a marketplace now from the place of disembarkation, disembarkation process. Let's go again to the value chain now with fresh product, fresh from the sea in Chile, we call these places as a caleta. This is a land landing place, and this we support them we call truck, food trucks, ice room and micro processing models. This is how we started a program called smart caleta to add value to this landing places caleta producing productive diversification to face and mitigate climate change and environmental sustainability by incorporating artisanal fission in the clean production and recirculation in some pilot experience. This certification will be one of the main challenge on the work on 2022. We also realize a project related with climate change, carry out with file with the fire and get and highlight the relevance of productive diversification. For example, we work with a woman in the diversification of the activities, and we create some heritage routes as experimental and experiential tourists. For example, the coach a you your roots is a seaweed. This is the coach a you your in in from the sea, and then we create some additional at value as a snack. This is very interesting for to advance in my in the mitigate of the climate change. Let's follow to the value chain and go to the sea. We implement in the sea the certification process of the landing of both the industrial and artisanal fleets, with which it's possible to verify that the fishing vessel declared the human and species got this mean better control of fishing quotas and a decrease in the IEU fishing. We also incorporate technological tool in industrial fishing, such as electronic locks on board cameras within the framework of the disposal of a low this camera allow us to detect and record all this card action that's occurring on board in order to know the percentages and take me sure that contribute to their decrease. We also recognize that woman are fundamental in the in this value chain as a agent for achieving security and especially for sustainability in fisheries and aquaculture for the above Chile recently has a law that promote gender equity in fishing and aquaculture where, for example, they will have a quota to be part of the different instance of government of fishing and aquaculture committee national feature, etc. We believe that the key elements to improve the marketing chains and the sustainability of fishing and aquaculture products are a good governance, taking in consideration the print their main actors, the use of technologies and a lot of communication, public private collaboration, certification that add value to the fisheries products and maybe a key factor is to listen more to consume to listen more to consumer, local communities, civil society, and especially our people from the sea. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Alicia Gallardo for that and the Chilean experience. Now we move on to Europe. And Luciano Pirovano, director of sustainability. Luciano, please. Yes. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, everyone. Very happy to be here in this webinar organized by FAO. In Bolton Food being the number one in Europe and number two in the world, we have an ambition, which is to be the most responsible and sustainable tuna company for the world. We want to do it in a strategic way, in a transformative way, but also in a concrete way and transparent. And we want to do this, we say for the world, because we believe it is our duty as a leader of this market to drive the change and move the whole sector toward better standards. To reach this goal. I would like to mention two important aspects. First of all, we believe it's key to join forces is key to work with our stakeholders, with our partners, even with our competitors. That's why we are a founding member of ISSF, which is currently the point of reference when it's about tuna science and tuna sustainability. And also, that's why we have a transformative partnership with WWF on sustainable fishing and the ocean and with Oxfam on social accountability. We have a mantra in our company, which says partnership is our leadership. But for sure, a second and very important aspect that is asked also by our partner that used to call themselves also critical friends is to be totally transparent and accountable. And in this perspective is clear that certification are a key tool. Obviously, it's in for us, a very important certification and they collaborate is Marine Stewardship Council, that as we all know, is being inspired by FAO guidelines, and thanks FAO to exist. And also recognized by the Global Seafood Sustainability Initiative as the most serious a collaborative for tuna is about probably the best current available standard, maybe not perfect but striving to improve constantly. And it's for us also a tool concrete tool to improve fisheries for ISSF the vision of ISSF is to bring all tuna fishery to be able to be certified MSC certified without condition. And in our agreement with WWF, we are committed to source 100% within 2024 from fisheries that are or MSC certified or under a credible and comprehensive fishery improvement project, that as we know, is using anyway the MSC standard to improve the fishery because unfortunately today in tuna only 28% roughly of the global tuna is certified. So we need to continue to work fishery by fishery hand in hand with our partner with WWF to improve things. Let me remind that we need to join forces with our partner to advocate RFMAO regional fishery management organization to take action and to move faster, because sometimes we are not able to reach this certification or we risk to lose this certification as I hope it will not happen in the West Pacific, due to the fact that RFMAOs are not fast enough. Obviously, there are also many other certification that are key if you want to be accountable and transparent. I just to say that there is no sustainability without a fully transparent and trustable supply chain. That's why we are very proud of our trustability system which has been developed again in partnership with IBM is one of the most solid and reliable and technological advanced supplier portal developed in the tuna industry and this system and the world supply chain is certified ISO 22005 which is the best standard for food trustability. In our factories, many other certification are key, obviously the 9001 since the 5001 and so on. But let me close mentioning another point that we believe is very important, which is about social accountability, which is about having a fully inclusive inclusive and free from labor abuses supply chain. We know that in tuna and migratory fish, there is this kind of risk. So we need to be more accountable and externally verified, also when it comes to social aspects. By the way, I remind you that today is the Human Rights Day. And so for us is an important day because we are working as I mentioned before with Oxfam, that one of probably the best NGOs fighting inequalities and helping company to have an inclusive supply chain. We are working with Oxfam to make a deep analysis of our supply chain using their own methodology, which is called Human Rights Impact Assessment, which is a deep external assessment of the supply chain. And I think we need to pay more and more attention to this aspect. Unfortunately, is very complicated that there is not yet available a certification like MSC on such an aspect. I hope we will come. Anyway, we are using the know-how of our partner Oxfam to really understand our most strategic tuna supply chains because we don't have to forget that sustainability as three dimension as Mr. Lam mentioned before. Thank you. Thank you very much for that. It's very encouraging to hear what Bolton is doing. For the information of the participants, FAO is developing what we call guidance on social responsibility for companies in the sector. So hopefully there will be a framework for creating a standard simulator. So thank you again. And also for mentioning the important work of the RFMOs. But I also think that companies in the sector also have to put pressure on their governments within the RFMOs to move quickly when action is needed. So thank you again for that. Now we're moving to John Keeler in Florida, CEO of Blue Star Foods Corporation. He has a long history of working with the various stakeholders on a number of issues on sustainability, on social sustainability, etc. So John, please, you can share your experience in your global sourcing, etc. Because you're in Florida, but you source globally. John, please. Thank you. Well, in Florida, taking advantage of the nice weather during winter here. Good morning, everyone. I'm honored to, you guys choose me to be here once again in some of your webinars. I'm going to give you a little, in two parts, a little overview of management of management of our sustainability in sourcing policy and how we see the customers reacting to this ever question of what's sustainable and so forth. So, you know, Blue Star is a public company is committed to ensure compliance with relevant health, safety and environmental legislation, as a minimum hurdle, in order to meet our obligations to our stakeholders. The board is accountable for the development establishment and the review of the appropriate policies in these areas, and the best practices that we target are through the appropriate management objectives of the structure so that's pretty much a framework that we have. Now, we set our environmental policies. I want to give you for the environmental policies and how we evolve from it, then dub in our own traceability program and apps, and also give you key lines of social and important part. So when it comes to the environmental policy, you know, we're committed to protecting the communities living standards. The environmental heritage is a future generations within those communities on the small scale fisheries, and as responsible corporate member of the community. We seek to conduct profitable business with a commitment to protecting that environment, and we seek to prevent the pollution and minimize the impact that we have in the operations, because ultimately, there's always going to be a negative impact, even though our motto is aimed for healing the planet one pound at a time. So, I'm talking about him, continue talking about the environment. Our sustainable features on eco packaging, which also an important part is that the fishermen. We work with practicing artisanal fishing practices using safer crap, crabbing equipment, and respect egg bearing female crabs. These environmental friendly fishing practices ensure that blue crust species will continue to breed and replenish the population for many generations to come. And, you know, what is what is catch needs to be packed. And we have developed a eco fresh pouch technology that allows to reduce energy and cutting down the carbon emissions, not only that makes sense for the environment but it's also good business. And, and how do we reduce a camera food emission well we've done intensive life cycle analysis of our processes through this technology versus the standard of the industry, and we save up to 60% seal to emissions versus the standard. Within that our ethical and sustainable sourcing bluestar aim to enhance corporate citizenship governance and ethics by aligning ourselves with the following organizations, just in a few msc. I would WTO which I've been in Geneva a few times, and most important for us is our framework with the global reporting initiative that will go on going to be briefing you about a little more. And that within the lines of the illegal on the reporting of regular fishing compliance fishing compliance supply chain socio economic service that we do for ourselves and information and educational communication campaigns that we do at the source level. And in order to understand and the feedback of, of who was the other demographics or the aggregators that exist within the small structures. So, give you a little going deeper into the tail of this sustainable work. And for the company joined some small NGOs to do a trustability create crap case study. Back in early 2017, and this pain it's growing skill on the database that we achieve in this area, we decided to enhance through the necessity to trace the crab landings and show the consumer. You know, on their handheld how to go about and about where the where the crab is coming from with their food that they're eating is really coming from. So, in the second quarter dozen 18, we have what we call a trace crab. So it's first and most significant overhaul to date, which included 12 new functionalities and new mixing interface, because at the end you need to have all this mix of products aggregated in the processing plan to package and shipped to be more focused on the species life cycles compliance and utilizing Google geo tracking map interface to show the customers not only where the product came with who caught it and how he was handled by May on the same year. The app was already shown progress and about 20% traceable and cure coated product and 85% compliance of the company was ready to test their compliance with Noah. See for importer monetary program and getting outstanding feedback for their two compliance reviews. And that was that year maintaining a 20% QR percentage and up in the compliance to 90%. Further in the social side we have conducted several and ongoing information educational communication campaigns on fishing practices, also continue to enhance our dress a bit program and work in the framework of the global reporting initiative reporting. We're the only crap company in the world that have a global reporting initiative report in their side available for anybody and even go to our side will be able to download it yourself. And we'll continue to focus on on social initiative and sync all that with our SDG values that we have aimed to do. So how the customers reacted to it. Well, first of all, customers don't trust government in terms of, you know, what is sustainable or sustainable products. They, they then they'll confuse with so many equal labels out there, and they're having a hard time to, to really identify themselves to one of them. But at the end what the one I want to know is like, where my product is coming from. I want to connect with that aggregated without fishermen with the people that made that product possible to get there. And that is possible today with technology and hand held will just simply take a picture of the QR code and you'll be able to see it. I see that they in Europe, they are far more ahead on that demand on on sustainability and seek of traceability and information from European consumers of later on has been more than North American and consumers in that site. But ultimately for us is to continue showing measure the economics is social environmental impacts in a profitable manner and keep the strategic objectives that we have in the small scale fisheries. And now that we have a venture into a land based aquaculture is also our next target that we have been working on. So that's pretty much my say at this time thank you again. Well, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, John. I will move to the fourth panelist from Galicia. Antonio, please, and please illuminate us on the Galician initiative. Hello to everyone. Can you hear me. Yes. Yes, the first words must be to, to, to, to, to acknowledge the to file, thanks in the name of Galicia thank you to file because for putting again the focus on the of this meeting on a subject that we in Galicia have been putting into practice for a long time. And it's this important of carrying of our business activities and sustainable matter, not only in an environmental way just in in the social and economic way. It's necessary to be to have resources but it's so important to have a silo man and the silo woman and fisherman and fisher woman that are carrying out this activity. The administration knows that Galicia is C. And when we say this, we do it, we do it because Galicia is fishing is a fishing and it's aquaculture is the first, the first region in Europe in terms of these activities. And so we try to organize to manage it in a in a court manner in a court way, and in a sustainable way. Our sector continues to preserve the traditional sense as Alicia says, in its daily work proof of this is the power of our artisanal segment that the feet the artisanal fleet that the small scale fleet and the shell fishing and food is the best practice for, for, for fix the people on the on the land, and it's one of the, of the part of the job of our job, the main important job of our department. But it's an essence that does not lose it side of the enormous changes that the era of digital transformation has brought with with it, and with it, the modern, the modernization of processes. The logical advances had that we have implemented and we do which we already interact with familiarity efficiency that in our case it focus is focused in trust ability. Trust ability in the sense of providing our products with greater value providing reliable and trustworthy data and each of an every one of the transaction that are generated are generated in each link. That's why despite not having a magical formula, we have been taking steps in what we believe is the right direction, especially in two areas, the digitalization of the fish markets and the certification of artisanal fishing products. The first example that I can put is the primary, the primary, as we said, primary, primary project whereby that thanks to the digital digitalization of the fish markets the marketing system is more agile and effective. A tool that already used in 35 markets participation in the project in which more than 8,035 sales items have been managed and nearly 2 million accounting movements have been generated. This is a completely trust ability in so many points of the coast, including a small scale fleet ports that only have three or four boats and a fishing ocean, and we need to trace all the documents in this way and we are improving this project. The second project is the brand pescaderias on the Senong in Galician in English translated to English is fisheries where else an initiative with which we offer consumers are the warranty of knowing that the product they are going to consume comes from artisanal fishing. We speak of high quality and priestly buddhalso and of a model of sustainable exploitation of the fishing reserves, an initiative of which the number of registered and certificate agents has grown exponentially since the is the is lounge from 4049 agritic centers to 128 and for a certificate 2.4 million kilograms to 11.2 million kilograms in 2019 because in 2020 was a completely a completely year lost because for these, for these segments of activity that the channels of restoration and bars, especially Spain with that important industry of tourism was so closely done that these people suffers terrible, terrible downs of his We gain a big data of the fishing with these three these processes, we must have data on the impact of our activity and knowing as of material that provides the necessary knowledge without adding new difficulties or obligation that's important. The challenge is here and we will more will continue to respond to it so that our sector is ever more competitive, reliable and responsible. And for this, it's also necessary that the fisheries carry out and recognizes a sustainable, okay issue in the future, as we know, and that they are so vain three dimensions environmental, social and economical. Recognizing this sustainability is the objective point of any fisheries certification process. And for the reason we have already started together with the Galician Fisheries Administration and the fisheries sector a process so that these are these artisanal coastal fishing activity and shellfish are recognized as such. We have an or so we believe a good starting point in the management model that we have been developing in the recent years, seeing the co governance between the sector and the administration have generated an ordering of the activity does that has led us to sustainability. Working in this line united and coordinated by the sector and administration, we will surely achieve the sustainability on the future of that certification, and we must also thank for for its promotion. We just want to appreciation of many people to take shape on the administration and the certification and talking about issues such as those held by the University of Bigo, when it points out that the Galician Barnacle Fisherations are the most sustainable in Europe. Or I speak of issues such as the one apartment of the sustainable fisheries partnership, when it points out that the Galicia is a temporary in artisanal fishing, and that we can take our techniques to the whole world. We do not say it. If not people with the recognition is recognized as parents and prestige and the certificate analysis of fisheries. I am finishing I do to reiterate in the thanks to file for this time in the name of Galicia for inviting us to the part of this webinar. And for giving us the opportunity to show the strengths of our activity in Galicia, we without a doubt, this is a speaker that will allow us to make our voice head load and clear. And of course, we are in the line of all the speakers that these sustainability must to be must to be translated to the to the consumers because they are the indefinitely, the, the, the most important part of our activity if we don't, don't, we can sell our fish our selfish with the as a has been a no sense. Thank you very much out and thank you very much to all the speakers. And that's, that's all for my part. Well, thank you very much, Antonia and basant basant and of course, it's always interesting to listen to representatives from from Galicia, and also personally I've been in in Vigo during the conferences and together with consumer or on Fargo so it's also very good to see how active the industry is in Galicia, and how very good is the relationship between the private sector, and the, the regional government, the local government in the city of ego, and also the central government I think that's a very good, good model for, for, for ensuring sustainable practices in the future. Thank you, Antonio. Now, I've listened carefully to all for panelists and there are a few issues that really have been addressed by all of you, of course, we have been talking about certification, but there can be no certification without traceability. And I think you all mentioned the importance of traceability, and also digital digital traceability and the use of, of innovation and I think covered in that sense as accelerated on ongoing trends. So we see much, not only much more traceability than before but we also see the needs from consumers and consumers and buyers and the retailers want to know more. And in order to provide that information, there has to be traceability systems in place. I think as also mentioned the issue of social responsibility of decent work of decent living conditions for for all those who are involved in the sector. And that is something that we didn't really speak about 1015 years ago. So this is a development that now is recognized as being of equal importance as the, as the environmental importance of course. And the importance of providing information to consumers. And the consumers are willing to pay a little bit more for a product they trust. And in order to trust the product that they need information and they need to be able to trace it or or look on on their on their cell phones and the codes and read even the, you know, the labels on on the product that it has been produced here and there and, and it's been, you know, and the packaging and all these things that we really didn't focus on a few years ago and the energy efficiency that John Keeler mentioned is key here. And of course the role of the small scale sector and the additional sector is important to all of us even for Bolton food, you have a Poland line tuner coming into your, to your factory so this is important for all of us. And in that respect, I'd also like to highlight again the fact that 2022 is into the international year on medicinal fisheries and agriculture, providing an opportunity to all of us, they go small to all of us, whether in the private sector or in in the public sector to underline the importance of the millions and millions and millions of additional fishers and and agriculture operators. I don't have any questions from from the audience but, but maybe I'd like to return to Luchana you mentioned something that we don't hear very often and that is, you also want to collaborate with your competitors in bringing this forward and I think that is a very important issue because sustainability shouldn't be a competitive, you know, element. The whole sector should be moving forward and showing progress on the sector. And so it's not enough that one or two companies is doing something that should be sort of a broad based trend or or push by the sector to improve sustainability standards, whether it's tuna whether it's agriculture or the Sardines or whatever. So, Luchana if you just could reflect a little bit on that before we. Yes, I totally agree with you, we need to as the challenges we have in front of us are so big that we need to join forces sometimes even with the competitors about sustainability for sure. And the good example in the tuna industry is the ISSF itself, because ISSF, which is, which has been founded 2009 has been founded thanks to few responsible companies, competitors that at that time, felt the need to give a scientific background. Now, currently in ISSF, there are roughly from 50 to 70% of the total process tuna with the companies that are competitors. And, but is a I think a very good example of responsible companies that decide to work together to support an NGO's where there are the WWF the most expert biologist scientist and so on, to really have an impact and have a, I will say the clear director, based on science to take the right decision and to have a clear strategy. So I think this is a good example, just to say that we are working among competitors, all our meeting are in the office of our legal firm following us since the beginning and we are there to check that any kind of discussion has nothing to do with antitrust issues. But there is not this, this problem, because we are really focused on on raising the bar step by step, really improving things. And, for instance, we are working a lot on fat management on by catch reduction on advocacy, together with ISSF on IOTC for the Indian Ocean WCPC and so on. So I think it's a good example. Very good. Thank you. Final comment from Alicia. And I was very impressed by your initiative in Chile. Would it be an idea to help some neighboring countries other countries in Latin America or elsewhere do something similar. Thank you, Autumn. I always think the network on the regional network are very relevant for to share information. I think Peru, I think other countries in Brazil in the region could be, because each country has different experience because the people is different and the technology is different. So a good idea to organize maybe in the framework of the FIO summit, some practical workshop, because I think we need to do the same culture in Latin America. We have the same culture. We have the same mind in our fishermen and fishing woman. And I'm happy to organize to try to push for this information sharing a workshop. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. And we'll do that through the regional networks, whether it's OSPESCA or Infopesca or some of the other mechanism or an intergovernmental mechanism or the regional FIO office. Okay, very good. Now we've come to it's four o'clock so I want to close this. So I wish to thank all the panelists. I want to thank my colleague Nada for providing the overview, and of course also the audience. And I think the enthusiasm shown by the panelists regarding the topic again demonstrates the importance of having these dialogues together, but especially the importance of the issues of certification of traceability, the social dimension of sustainability, the role of innovation and digitalization, and the role of the consumers. And all within the concept of fisheries and aquaculture, but particularly the small scale and the artisanal sectors. So with that, I thank you again for being willing to participate with us, either as panelists or participants. So thank you and goodbye. Thank you all.